MISOGYNY? In a Colleen Hoover book?? Noooo | rant review

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  • @rachelthescrub
    @rachelthescrub  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

    Should I read the rest of the series? (pls say no)

    • @NatiInchNails
      @NatiInchNails 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      For my own entertainment, yes you should

    • @Exudedmemes
      @Exudedmemes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      protect your peace, no!!! id be interested in watching more reviews for some other bad or good books from u tho

    • @into-da-wormhole
      @into-da-wormhole 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I have no empathy, yes /jk

    • @zombieedrea
      @zombieedrea 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I read the first book in the series about a decade ago, and while at the time I liked it (chalk it up to me having not that good of taste at the time lol), I remember not being prepared for how fucked up it is because you don't get that vibe from the synopsis. It's...unexpectedly dark and fucked up (much more messed up than It Ends With Us, kind of in the same vein as Verity, though it's not marketed as a thriller at all), and Holder isn't a very nice character, and while I haven't re-read the book in a long time, I don't have to to know that CoHo did not handle themes like kidnapping and CSA sensitively. (Yes, those are things that happen just in the first book and it is genuinely unexpected, and that's not even the only crazy thing that happens.) Read at your own risk - it's not as fun to laugh at as Ugly Love or Verity imo. 😬

    • @flootzavut30daychallenge
      @flootzavut30daychallenge 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😈

  • @phangkuanhoong7967
    @phangkuanhoong7967 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +321

    Hoover doesn't write romance. She writes horror marketed as romance.

  • @EspiritoDeDafne
    @EspiritoDeDafne 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +326

    I have to say, being named after a number and choosing a different name that is also a number is funny, I would have done that as a joke if my parents named me Seven

    • @rachelthescrub
      @rachelthescrub  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      You’re right, I was just blinded by my disdain. One more CoHo Point has been awarded

  • @GreiH
    @GreiH 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +182

    Ngl, when I heard that they had sex in the closet, my first thought was "there was no use of protection, and there will be consequences." Oh, geeze, of course that was correct.

  • @farfromcommonsense3518
    @farfromcommonsense3518 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +211

    the lines in this book made me physically recoil, thank you for reading this so we don't have to

  • @obi-wan-pierogi
    @obi-wan-pierogi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +136

    A CoHo book… with a pregnancy subplot? I can’t believe it color me shocked/s

    • @obi-wan-pierogi
      @obi-wan-pierogi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Now I’m wondering about the legal nightmare it’d be to put your kid up for adoption in a foreign country you aren’t a citizen of, wow thx coho lol

  • @tyler-df3wy
    @tyler-df3wy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +220

    While people shouldn’t attack content purely for being marketed at women, being marketed at women doesn’t make that content immune from criticism. There are plenty of people who criticise romance for its messaging without coming from the perspective of ‘lol romance shallow you stupid’, and it’s so frustrating how many people dismiss good faith criticism of media that romanticises abuse and misogyny purely because women like it

    • @amaririii_ch
      @amaririii_ch 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Same thing with what Dan Olson said when he did the 50SoG deep dives. Yes, don't mock people who consume it, but just because people like it, doesn't mean you aren't allowed to critcize. At the same time, plenty of people from both sides of the spectrum can't seem to balance that perspective, just like you said with the people who just go "let people enjoy stuff >:/".

    • @metriq8268
      @metriq8268 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      All I want is romance about people who respect each other and have nice and consensual sex. Or not, I don’t mind family friendly romance. Books for women can be nice, they don’t have to glamorize toxicity.

  • @whiteraven562
    @whiteraven562 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    ugh, the repetition bit was so cringe. No one talks like that, but teenage boys don't talk like that even more

  • @lotusthemermaid
    @lotusthemermaid 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    She writes like it's pure stream of consciousness and I genuinely cannot personally understand the appeal.

    • @ettaetta439
      @ettaetta439 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      They're VERRRYY easy to read, that's why. The writing is simple, the characters are simple, and the plots are simple. CoHo also uses trauma as a way to make people feel strong emotions about the book. Death of a child in Ugly Love, mother committing suicide in November 9, death of children in Verity, etc. The readers mistake their intense sad emotions as a credit to the book's quality because it made them cry. In reality, it is usually due to the sensitive nature of trauma being depicted in a story you're invested in. CoHo doesn't believe in trigger warnings for this reason: if she uses them, then her ability to use trauma for shock value and plot twists is diminished.
      Her writing is also very much heteronormative and you don't really have to ever question or think about the gender dynamics present. This is not inherently a bad or good thing, and people are allowed to find comfort in standard straight relationships. I mention it solely to say that because the books never veer from the status quo, it affects their readability. It makes them easy to get through for the majority audience, which is straight women/girls who are interested in men. Again, NOT a bad thing.
      The writing also very much appeals to teen girls in that it's very juvenile, with a lot of internalized misogyny, and a focus on being not like other girls. This is exactly the kind of writing I'd love in middle school. Adult women who also love these books usually are looking for something simple to read, or they haven't really ever left that middle school taste in books behind. Her books do have appeal in these ways.

    • @alisonmercer5946
      @alisonmercer5946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I dont mind stream of consciousness writing , i probably love some. But not like this . I don't get the appeal either. These are sll horror imo. Bad shitty written horror. That this is what people really enjoy boghkes my mind LMAO

    • @scribblegale4298
      @scribblegale4298 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@ettaetta439 you literally explained everything I've been feeling about her books so well

    • @lotusthemermaid
      @lotusthemermaid 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@ettaetta439
      You could make a video essay breaking down the appeal of her books with this and I bet you'd get views because this is great!

    • @ettaetta439
      @ettaetta439 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lotusthemermaid thanks! I'm glad people thought so. These thoughts have been tumbling around in my head for a while now so I was happy for a chance to ramble about it.

  • @randomspider725
    @randomspider725 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +174

    Boy, I sure do love secret romances between characters who are of the same social class, racial background, and overtly heterosexual! Relationships like this totally understand why those types of relationships need to remain secret! (Sarcasm)
    It just feels lazy… Colleen wants all the drama and pull that comes from star-crossed lovers, but doesn’t want to put in the work of ACTUALLY star-crossing them. I guess if there were actual social conflicts preventing the chars from getting together, then we’d have to deal with compelling stakes, and we just can’t have that in a Colleen Hoover story.

    • @alisonmercer5946
      @alisonmercer5946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Why is she popular i dont get it lol

    • @haleywalker1640
      @haleywalker1640 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Shit, considering the title is "Finding Cinderella," you'd think there'd be a concern about abusive family members finding out about the romance and trying to break them up to spite Six since the actual Cinderella from the fairy tale had to deal with that all the time; that would have been something, would have given the reader a reason to care about the characters (and explain why the guy saying "Don't date her" was so defensive about her). But no, the only things she took away from Cinderella was unknown pretty girl who works in a kitchen. Then again, considering how she handles abuse in her other stories, it's probably for the best she not try to actually tackle Cinderella.

    • @d_alistair-years
      @d_alistair-years 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alisonmercer5946. I don’t think it’s a coincidence her popularity boomed when people were locked in the house and not hooking up with strangers

  • @cur1ouscatf1sh
    @cur1ouscatf1sh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Let’s see a crossover crack ship with Six from this book and Four from Divergent. (Their ship name is Ten.) If I’d touched Divergent more recently than middle school I’d probably write it for me and all two of the other people alive who would think it was funny

    • @monkeymelia
      @monkeymelia 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Why do I love that idea so much😂

  • @carolinemerciermusic
    @carolinemerciermusic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    So he did not recognise her voice, smell, skin texture, way of kissing, way of moving? This is so...

    • @AngelineProductions
      @AngelineProductions 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Colleen Hoover is not that skilled of a writer to think about details like that

  • @lordfreerealestate8302
    @lordfreerealestate8302 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I think we've come full circle, because while the things women enjoying often are wrongfully hated, valid criticism against media is often being dismissed as misogyny/internalized misogyny. It's frustrating because if anything, its Colleen Hoover who is promoting harmful ideas about women, not the people critiquing her. She also helped cover it up when her son did some .... dubious things to someone who also happens to be a woman.

  • @nootnoot1537
    @nootnoot1537 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    4:34 I need you to know that this quote caught me SO off guard that I tripped and bash my head on the dish cabinet. I already know that CoHo’s writing is shit, I didn’t know it’s potentially lethal as well

    • @lizsmith1018
      @lizsmith1018 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Are you ok??

    • @nootnoot1537
      @nootnoot1537 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@lizsmith1018 Yes thankfully😅, slightly sore scalp but I’m glad I hit the cabinet’s flat side instead of the sharp corners. Note to self: always be prepared for whatever CoHo puts in her book

    • @lizsmith1018
      @lizsmith1018 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@nootnoot1537 glad to hear it! You can never be too careful with head injuries. And true, CoHo is a disaster in more ways than one 👀

    • @IchigoShizukarei
      @IchigoShizukarei 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That is so real... I was sitting on my bed and when that dropped I just went "WHAT?!".
      I've heard many a things that CoHo as written but somehow that just... tops it.
      I never want to hear any of those words in that order again

  • @tyler-df3wy
    @tyler-df3wy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Why is coho so obsessed with the difference between sex and making love? It’s been in so many of her books and I don’t get it

    • @onyx_mango
      @onyx_mango 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      saddest part is she seems to not have a clear idea of the distinction between love and abusive relationship but wellll...... uhh hook up culture ig...???

    • @beaq6755
      @beaq6755 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Maybe it makes it easier for her to justify her son's SA bullshit

  • @tyler-df3wy
    @tyler-df3wy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    As sexist as Colleen’s portrayals of women are, at least in this book it makes sense coz I absolutely believe a 17 year old boy would think like that

    • @jamburga321
      @jamburga321 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not all boys

    • @tyler-df3wy
      @tyler-df3wy วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ yeah I’m aware, that’s why I said ‘a’ not ‘all’. I was once a 17 year old boy and I didn’t think like that, but I knew a lot of guys who did. And in the coho universe specifically it seems like it is all of them

  • @giu941
    @giu941 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Ive read the 1st book of the series back before tiktok even existed and it literally traumatized me into not reading a coho book ever again 😭 if yall think ugly love, it ends with us or verity are bad and exploits abuse... well yall arent ready for hopeless

    • @zombieedrea
      @zombieedrea 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Hopeless was the first full Hoover book I ever read and *good lord* I was not expecting it. I remember that before that one, I'd gone on this reading streak of violent thrillers, so I wanted to read a romance that wasn't as dramatic, something much lighter and more sweet as a palate cleanser. So I read Hopeless cuz it sounded a bit dramatic, but nothing super dark at all. Boy was I in for a rude awakening.

    • @giu941
      @giu941 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zombieedrea I had a similar experience, but I was only 14 when I read it and I was expecting a romcom bc like 60% of the book is a lukewarm romance... when the plot twist came I was so disturbed and it doesn't help that right after all that gore the pair had their, let's say, first time together... idk it was too much for me. At that age I already knew the type of stuff in the book unfortunately happens, but CoHo's approach to it just felt sooo wrong

  • @ryosuka
    @ryosuka หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    4:46 AHH THE WAY I GASPED WHEN I SAW THE FLUFFY VOID EMERGE FROM THE SHEETS AJFAJFAF SO ADORABLEEE

  • @Dressup_Doll
    @Dressup_Doll 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    As someone whose favorite game is _Little Nightmares,_ my entire body tensed up when you said her name is Six.
    Mrs. Hoover, it is on sight.
    Edit: it being Seven isn’t much better. Out of all the numbers…….it had to be that one.

  • @greysonlb4224
    @greysonlb4224 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Hoover writes anti-romance. She shows you what NOT to look for lmao if you think about it that way, she’s a genius.

  • @lemonberry_soda
    @lemonberry_soda 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I stopped brushing my teeth hearing the Cinderella description because I was in so much shock. I think my life was better before I heard that. That tracks for Colleen

  • @zombieedrea
    @zombieedrea 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    OH MY GODDD, with every CoHo book Rachel Oates is more correct: Colleen Hoover really has never written a womb that she *hasn't* impregnated! I actually was impressed at first because I was certain Six terminated the pregnancy in Italy. That would absolutely be traumatizing for a teenage girl, finding out you're pregnant in a foreign country and needing to make the hard decision to terminate it. But no...adoption. Also, she wasn't answering any questions about Italy, so does this mean her own parents didn't know she was pregnant? Like, what???? That's so fucking stupid. I genuinely think Hoover is anti-choice and just doesn't want to publicly admit it, she just shows it by *always* impregnating her female characters and never writes them having to make any type of difficult decision. The child must always be born no matter what, even if your character absolutely hates children, like Verity. I'm surprised she even had Six consider adoption and didn't turn her into a secret teenage mom and had Daniel find out *that* way. It definitely would've had the melodrama she loves so much. Also, I remember a lot of people giving John Green shit for the way he writes his teenage characters and how they don't act or talk like real teenagers. But tell me what teenage boy talks like Daniel does before he makes out with Six? 💀 Again, *so insufferable.*

  • @SilentProti
    @SilentProti 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    thanks for the video! there's never enough of rant reviews of coho's books!

  • @ByrdieFae
    @ByrdieFae 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I feel bad. I actually LOVE the number six as a name. Just me being a silly enby, I guess, lol. Everything else made me cringe, though. Harrrddddd.

    • @archanashreedhar5089
      @archanashreedhar5089 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah but six as a nickname of seven is bonkers

  • @xHoneyHime
    @xHoneyHime 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I can't believe I came upon this videos by pure algorithmic chance, I gotta say seeing a video about a Colleen Hoover book I have NOT heard of before really intrigued me 😭
    You were SOOO funny, I love your lowkey dry jokes and editing style. Keep up the great work!! Honestly I think this was the CoHo-est book to ever CoHo - from the ridiculous character names to the wattpad first introduction scenario to the trashy insta-love paired with the weirdest fucking dialogues (and inner monologues) my eyes have ever come upon, this takes the cake. If someone ever tells me "I bet even your puke is adorable :)" I might just throw up on the spot to prove them wrong.The way she writes characters and their perspective feels like an alien's attempt at trying to figure out human nature through writing but horribly failing.
    If CoHo is your guilty pleasure that's SO valid, it certainly is mine for different reasons, but good God NO ONE can tell me that this is peak literature 💀
    Also unrelated, but if I got a penny for everytime I followed a person named Rachel on the Internet that (occasionally?) does book reviews, I'd have three pennies. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened thrice.

    • @rachelthescrub
      @rachelthescrub  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thank youuuuu!!

    • @alisonmercer5946
      @alisonmercer5946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I bet your puke is adorable . Omg. Coincidentally i just recovering from over 24 hours of disgusting puking. I picturing this response would have been perfect to go omg my puke is cute? 🥺 😮And give my puke bucket to him. Here, look, you really think its cute? Smell it u like it u really like it 😍😍😍😍

  • @bbhdotin
    @bbhdotin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    every time she publishes male pov,, its absolutely crazy to me that its not framed as satire? or like genuine take on male socialization? she just genuinely writes like that's romantic... that is so scary to me.

  • @readrantreview
    @readrantreview 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not you putting me in the other reviewers you like list, among my literal favs 😭😭 Thank you.
    i love your style of review so much lol

    • @rachelthescrub
      @rachelthescrub  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have been binging your channel, girl!! Keep up the good work 😄

  • @inuzuna
    @inuzuna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I have never read an of her books but no review has ever made them sound good
    Also every time you read for Daniel it sounded like a south park character and shockingly I feel they would handle this much better

  • @carililyyarbrough2305
    @carililyyarbrough2305 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    this books feels like Riverdale fan-fiction

  • @SaoirseWaddingHayes
    @SaoirseWaddingHayes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    As an avid romance reader I can confirm COLLEEN HOOVER IS NOT A GOOD ROMANCE WRITER JFC. Her characters are so horrible. And I don't mind a complex or even bad character, but like, when EVERYONE is awful, how am I supposed to stay engaged? Also, the sex is so bad and boring.
    If you do want to try some romance with good mysteries, murder, and heists, I highly recommend KJ Charles. Her most recent book, Death in the Spires is a Secret History-esque dark academia mystery, and the Lily White Boys series is an absolute romp with thievery and Victorian detectives.

  • @CaligoEstAetas
    @CaligoEstAetas 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Just a short thank you comment here from someone who had found this in their TH-cam recommendations even though there was no apparent reason for TH-cam to believe this could be a match (I suspect that one video I recently watched on the topic of Booktok was a powerful enough hint...).
    I really enjoyed your video (pace, tone, editing, length, due criticism) and it a great watch/listen while I was sick in bed, so thank you for your work 😊
    I guess for her target audience, it is really important for the problematic parts this author included to be pointed out again and again, because I'm really worried that people do mistake any of it for actual romantic human behaviour...

    • @rachelthescrub
      @rachelthescrub  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hey, thanks so much!

  • @glowstickspinalfluid
    @glowstickspinalfluid 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    all of colleen's writing sounds like my rough drafts and i'm a high schooler who only writes for school

  • @e_nyuszi
    @e_nyuszi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love how so many book reviewers on TH-cam are named Rachel haha! So glad to have found this channel just now!

  • @chromesthesia
    @chromesthesia 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Holder?! What kind of goofy name is that?!

  • @zer0mantic87
    @zer0mantic87 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I genuinely feel like most 13 year olds nowadays could write books w better plots than her

  • @sorchasigrun
    @sorchasigrun 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I'm almost crying of laughter at your jokes this book sounds so awful thank you for your sacrifice

  • @Weirdosanonymus
    @Weirdosanonymus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I'm asexual so watching this is torture. But i like yuor synoposis of it

  • @Mona-vq2gm
    @Mona-vq2gm 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    i'm pretty sure i've seen the concept of this plot as an a03 tag, and that was better

  • @starrdust411
    @starrdust411 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I know I'm showing my age here, but when you said the love interest's name was "Six" I immediately thought of the best friend on Blossom.

  • @e_nyuszi
    @e_nyuszi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    11:06 -- to be fair, if someone mentioned macgyver that's how I would react too--love macgyevr!

  • @Man-ej6uv
    @Man-ej6uv 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    some people don't even get a baby bump so maybe she didn't have one

  • @SilverStone017
    @SilverStone017 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Speak ur piece!
    Cat: meow
    10/10

  • @gslmakeup8040
    @gslmakeup8040 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for reading this so none of us have to waste our time and money!!!

  • @buttercupcoffee5972
    @buttercupcoffee5972 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Came from one of your short. I dont plan to read her books, so would love to hear your opnions.

  • @chaengster4946
    @chaengster4946 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoy your video but is it possibly to put a light instrumental or something in the back ground bc the static? idk what its called was very loud in my speaker but i still enjoyed regardless!

  • @Ektambo
    @Ektambo 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a faint, feverish memory of getting this ebook for free on Kindle like a decade ago and being like “????? Time to avoid this author for the rest of my life” PFFFFFF

  • @jungtothehuimang
    @jungtothehuimang หลายเดือนก่อน

    This has to be just about the dumbest meet-cute I have ever heard of in a story. This is just so goofy 😭

  • @YvetteMask
    @YvetteMask 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We thank you for your service/sacrifice 😂 thanks for reading this so we don’t have to

  • @u3u_o3o
    @u3u_o3o 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    her name is six? did she get that from the movie syrup that came out a couple of months before the book?

  • @jungtothehuimang
    @jungtothehuimang หลายเดือนก่อน

    Colleen's protagonists have major 'i'm not like other girls' syndrome and any other woman in proximity to the female protag is just an ugly square. Like girly pop what are we doing?

  • @jeanbasile3067
    @jeanbasile3067 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can't believe you used money to buy it. I have found for months, they were selling it on Kindle for free.

  • @alisonmercer5946
    @alisonmercer5946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Is this one gonna be a turned into another anti domestic violence movie too. . Great authour to do movies of her books 🤮🤢🤢🤢

  • @OxyMauron
    @OxyMauron 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Women named Rachel who rag on CoHo I subscribe to count: 3.

  • @oakland7561
    @oakland7561 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My biggest problem with Colleen Hoover isn't the content of her books, it's the way they're advertised tee bee hache

    • @rachelthescrub
      @rachelthescrub  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I understand what you’re saying but “tee bee hache” dealt me psychic damage

    • @oakland7561
      @oakland7561 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rachelthescrub 😭the way i've been told this before lmaoooo.

    • @oakland7561
      @oakland7561 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rachelthescrub i remember seeing someone say in regards to her that her novels exist in the level of suspension of disbelief required for more dubious nsfw stories, but are advertised as romance stories which require Less suspension of disbelief and more reliance on character motivations. as such, the readers who aren't already fans go into the books unprepared for the content they're going to see, while her long-time readers know what to expect and enjoy it more. that's kind of along the lines im thinking in terms of false advertising

  • @triz3959
    @triz3959 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    never read verity but i watched some videos about it and i think it could have been a really good book if it wasn't written by colleen 🧍

    • @rachelthescrub
      @rachelthescrub  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Right?? Riley Sager would’ve crushed this concept

    • @awhimsyreader9015
      @awhimsyreader9015 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I was watching A Clockwork Readers video about Colleen Hoover and she said Verity was just a much worse version of Rebecca by Daphne Dumurier