@ProxyHammer1 yeah I'm going to infiltrate 10 rangers forward with a avatar behind one unit on a flank and the other flank can have illick 10 rangers with a combat wraithnight behind them. Yriel and the mechanised power weapon corsairs can take the middle or redeploy/strategic reserves... d cannons in the middle behind terain securing the centre and 3 teams of 3 shroud runners to deny cover... what do you think?
@@jarrodhill9149 I think that’s a great plan! I would definitely include a Nightspinner so you can get your units into the correct positions though too!
@ProxyHammer1 I prefer using the points to have wave serpents... that way I can use the piratical raider special rule to really get to grips with the unit I choose to have precision and lethal hits on... yriels rule for being able to redeploy into strategic reserves means I can pop out even in the back line... cause absolute havoc and steal that sweet sweet space booty these sneaky pirates ☠️ are chasing. Oh I also have 10 spiders for anything fast and 3 walkers bright lanced up... I'm considering running missile launchers on them (walkers) for some versatility. What's your opinion on that? I think with all the infiltrate/scout/redeploy there isn't much that could out monuvere these guys?
@@jarrodhill9149 It’s a very fast and maneuverable army for sure and is definitely going to be best in game as far as that goes. My take on the walkers is to give them the lances, the anti infantry role is going to be better for the corsairs as they perform it much better! The weakness of the list will be hard hitting tough units so having the lances will really help with that
Great video. Just to mention, Spiritseer gets the toughness of the unit, so that's T7 in this case. So not really that squishy. Would need Illic and the rerolls for sure.
In the leader rich edition we have right now ive used mine everygame with illic and a 6in tall ruin to get me sooo many assassination points with plunging fire and precision 😂 love this unit after not being a fan when i first got them
Plunging fire is ny favorite rule in 10th by far! My local group has grown to hate my dark reapers and rangers because i always find a spot for them to have extra AP 😅
1x10+illic & a fate's messenger DJ for critical mass precision has won me maybe 1/3rd of my games of 10th so far! Last game DJ did 6MW into abby T2 lmfao... he shouldda used that nurgle strat after all XD Same game: illic&friends wiped out those rogue psykers & dark commune Demogauge so fast with my positioning!
When the Rhino got next to Abaddon, I assume you could still see Abaddon over the top of the Rhino? In this case I think you’d still be able to see him rules as written? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Definitely a speed bump and a troop tax in 9e, but it was astonishing how much fire my opponents usually focused on these guys, even after learning they die if you sneeze anywhere in the same time zone. Nice to know they're still a good speed bump.
Hey Proxy, in the core rules under 'making attacks > allocate attacks" it says if a model has already lost one or more wounds or had attacks allocated this phase....", does that mean I can snipe with Precision rangers at a character in a squad, then in the same phase shoot at that enemy squad with say my Wraithlord and the attacks get resolved on the character first, not the other unit models he's with? So Rangers have more synergy to take put character models in units if they're sniped first by a ranger squad? (I hope that makes sense)
Unfortunately no, in the rules commentary I believe it says that wounds allocated to characters go very last regardless of whether or not the character is wounded. So basically you have to finish off the character with precision.
Thanks for the clarification! I can't find any specific rules on characters (still learning the app) but it seems to make sense with what you're saying@@ProxyHammer1
Their damage is lower than other units for the cost but yes a max unit can provide good damage against characters, with illic they definitely deal good damage! I would argue that it’s not the best way to use them though (5 of them only averages a single marine dead per turn).
A 10 man unit of rangers at 110 points will kill less than a 75 point unit of dark reapers (average of 2 marines). Even with Illic they fail to kill a 5 man squad of marines. It gets even worse when you pitch them against 1 HP models.
In my practice games I grew to hate running Illic and crew. Death Jester does the same job (mostly) as Illic, but for less points. I'm not sure i like the Jester either, even with fates messenger. I absolutely have snipered characters with the Jester though. If they have 4 wounds and no mortals defense you can all but guarantee a kill with his devastating wounds.
I've ran them in 6th-8th with craftworlds, corsairs, and ynarri and they were great. I'm dissapointed they can't kill off special weapons anymore though.
@@ProxyHammer1I'm happy they seem to have kept most of their abilities though. It feels like the aspect warriors and psykers lost most of what made them fun to play. I enjoy synergistic options and cool abilities more than just stats when playing.
I've ran Illic the Illest in every list with 10 rangers, always an MVP, the amount of VP in primary/tactical 2ndary these guys score is mad. Just beware of doombolt from TS as it isn't a ranged attack, that was an unfortunate moment of clarity lol
The bikes wouldn't run right over them because the rangers have two types of traps, Aeldari accuracy and speed. So the Orks are forced to deal with them to get past. We know Aeldari are the best, even our rangers can give melee units trouble even if they didn't bring a good enough sword to face a callidus assassin like in Warhammer+ 😅
rangers are weak into Necrons, most of their characters are super beefy and not worth attempting to snipe out, overlords in particular.. that said you can easily keep them at a distance, the ranger mega squad has a small chance at picking off some of the weaker ones though
I was under the impression that crypteks were on the squishier side as they were last edition. Is this no longer the case. I was aware that overlords would be a hard target to kill
Had my rangers in one round of shooting bring down a dark apostle. Felt awesome
That is epic!!
I was sea4ching for more eldar content, glad I found this channel, you clearly know what you are talking about 🎉
Awesome glad you found the hidden Craftworld lol 😂 I’m happy to share what I know!
thank you, I've been enjoying your videos as I'm getting back into collecting and painting the ancient asuryani
Dude awesome! Glad you are enjoying them and playing the best faction in 40K 😉
Perfect I'm building a corsair army at around 3000 points specifically focusing on outcasts with space pirates led by Yriel. I'm subbed up now bro 🤙
Nice man! The list I have uses corsairs and rangers in a very frustrating way so I’m hoping it works!
@ProxyHammer1 yeah I'm going to infiltrate 10 rangers forward with a avatar behind one unit on a flank and the other flank can have illick 10 rangers with a combat wraithnight behind them. Yriel and the mechanised power weapon corsairs can take the middle or redeploy/strategic reserves... d cannons in the middle behind terain securing the centre and 3 teams of 3 shroud runners to deny cover... what do you think?
@@jarrodhill9149 I think that’s a great plan! I would definitely include a Nightspinner so you can get your units into the correct positions though too!
@ProxyHammer1 I prefer using the points to have wave serpents... that way I can use the piratical raider special rule to really get to grips with the unit I choose to have precision and lethal hits on... yriels rule for being able to redeploy into strategic reserves means I can pop out even in the back line... cause absolute havoc and steal that sweet sweet space booty these sneaky pirates ☠️ are chasing. Oh I also have 10 spiders for anything fast and 3 walkers bright lanced up... I'm considering running missile launchers on them (walkers) for some versatility. What's your opinion on that? I think with all the infiltrate/scout/redeploy there isn't much that could out monuvere these guys?
@@jarrodhill9149 It’s a very fast and maneuverable army for sure and is definitely going to be best in game as far as that goes. My take on the walkers is to give them the lances, the anti infantry role is going to be better for the corsairs as they perform it much better! The weakness of the list will be hard hitting tough units so having the lances will really help with that
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Illic and 10x Rangers is stupid as hell. I love it.
Brutal combo!
Every failed save is a dead marine
Great video. Just to mention, Spiritseer gets the toughness of the unit, so that's T7 in this case. So not really that squishy. Would need Illic and the rerolls for sure.
You are totally correct!! Forgot about this but ya you would probably need some debuffs like doom or illic to make that work
In the leader rich edition we have right now ive used mine everygame with illic and a 6in tall ruin to get me sooo many assassination points with plunging fire and precision 😂 love this unit after not being a fan when i first got them
With illic they are so good at killing characters! Can’t believe I forgot to mention plunging fire! Silly me!
Plunging fire is ny favorite rule in 10th by far! My local group has grown to hate my dark reapers and rangers because i always find a spot for them to have extra AP 😅
@@joshuadixon979 I love the rule too! Adds great dimension to the game!
Oh yeah plunging fire makes us ap-2 right? Hahaha with infiltrate that is so good... thanks bro
@@jarrodhill9149 Absolutely!
1x10+illic & a fate's messenger DJ for critical mass precision has won me maybe 1/3rd of my games of 10th so far!
Last game DJ did 6MW into abby T2 lmfao... he shouldda used that nurgle strat after all XD
Same game: illic&friends wiped out those rogue psykers & dark commune Demogauge so fast with my positioning!
Nice I love that combo and it’s in my Alaitoc control list!
Whats your take on a second vanilla Dj off a falcon? It still seems good to me but idk
@@javilo2797 Ya it can be ok but there might not be enough room no?
When the Rhino got next to Abaddon, I assume you could still see Abaddon over the top of the Rhino?
In this case I think you’d still be able to see him rules as written?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
He might have been using the old model which is smaller than the rhino but yes if you can see him you can shoot him!
Definitely a speed bump and a troop tax in 9e, but it was astonishing how much fire my opponents usually focused on these guys, even after learning they die if you sneeze anywhere in the same time zone. Nice to know they're still a good speed bump.
They are much better than they were last edition imo, cheaper too!
Are you going to review any of the Legends content for Corsairs?
Good question! Probably after this current series I’ll make a video covering all of them!
Great rundown. So I'm thinking there will definitely be matchups where I should run 5x2 rangers as opposed to 10+ illic or even 5+illic and 5
Still haven't managed to take out a character with illic in the unit
There are indeed! Illic usually adds enough stopping power to kill most characters even in a 5 man unit!
Getting LOS on said characters can be difficult 😣
5 Assault Marines aren't going to be a problem for much longer.
Lmfao ikr? Makes me sad kind of 😢
Hey Proxy, in the core rules under 'making attacks > allocate attacks" it says if a model has already lost one or more wounds or had attacks allocated this phase....", does that mean I can snipe with Precision rangers at a character in a squad, then in the same phase shoot at that enemy squad with say my Wraithlord and the attacks get resolved on the character first, not the other unit models he's with? So Rangers have more synergy to take put character models in units if they're sniped first by a ranger squad? (I hope that makes sense)
Unfortunately no, in the rules commentary I believe it says that wounds allocated to characters go very last regardless of whether or not the character is wounded. So basically you have to finish off the character with precision.
Thanks for the clarification! I can't find any specific rules on characters (still learning the app) but it seems to make sense with what you're saying@@ProxyHammer1
What do you mean they aren't for damage? A group of 10x, damage 2 guns with plunging fire is pretty brutal.
Their damage is lower than other units for the cost but yes a max unit can provide good damage against characters, with illic they definitely deal good damage! I would argue that it’s not the best way to use them though (5 of them only averages a single marine dead per turn).
A 10 man unit of rangers at 110 points will kill less than a 75 point unit of dark reapers (average of 2 marines). Even with Illic they fail to kill a 5 man squad of marines. It gets even worse when you pitch them against 1 HP models.
@@phanron8382 That’s what I figured 😑
If rangers wound a character would your opponent have to allocate all new wounds to the character leading a squad?
No I don’t think so, I believe the bodyguard takes the hits first unless the weapon has precision
In my practice games I grew to hate running Illic and crew. Death Jester does the same job (mostly) as Illic, but for less points. I'm not sure i like the Jester either, even with fates messenger. I absolutely have snipered characters with the Jester though. If they have 4 wounds and no mortals defense you can all but guarantee a kill with his devastating wounds.
The jester is an absolute legend 😎 awesome model
I've ran them in 6th-8th with craftworlds, corsairs, and ynarri and they were great. I'm dissapointed they can't kill off special weapons anymore though.
Same here that was awesome back in the day
@@ProxyHammer1I'm happy they seem to have kept most of their abilities though. It feels like the aspect warriors and psykers lost most of what made them fun to play. I enjoy synergistic options and cool abilities more than just stats when playing.
ya for sure dude i def agree@@jameskurth3560
I've ran Illic the Illest in every list with 10 rangers, always an MVP, the amount of VP in primary/tactical 2ndary these guys score is mad. Just beware of doombolt from TS as it isn't a ranged attack, that was an unfortunate moment of clarity lol
Very true! You do need to watch out for things not specified as ranged attacks as the ability won’t affect them! Great unit and combo!
The bikes wouldn't run right over them because the rangers have two types of traps, Aeldari accuracy and speed. So the Orks are forced to deal with them to get past. We know Aeldari are the best, even our rangers can give melee units trouble even if they didn't bring a good enough sword to face a callidus assassin like in Warhammer+ 😅
Well ya in lore terms no they wouldn’t, but in game terms if I’m putting them right in front of the Ork bikes out in the open then yes haha 😂
This could've been a 3 seconds video where you say Illic xd
Lmfao 🤣
rangers are weak into Necrons, most of their characters are super beefy and not worth attempting to snipe out, overlords in particular.. that said you can easily keep them at a distance, the ranger mega squad has a small chance at picking off some of the weaker ones though
I was under the impression that crypteks were on the squishier side as they were last edition. Is this no longer the case. I was aware that overlords would be a hard target to kill
Now the only problem is trying to get an Illic mini…😅
Easy conversion in the Ranger box! Same pose and even head!
2nd!
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