Just to clarify a few things: Sorry for most of the footage having low quality and subtitles, it was the only source I could find to get most of the movie clips. Original source: Bruce Huang
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
THIS! Most of the very BEST/CLASSIC lines in the comic are what Batman is thinking in his head. It’s a shame they did not have Peter Weller do these as a voice over.
They do a pretty good job of it though. Climbing the rope you see he's older and needs his legs now. During the mutant fight the inner monologue becomes a dialogue It's my favorite book but I have to give them credit. They mostly nailed it
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
OK, I could be butchering the exact quote but when Batman says to the mutant leader “this is no mud pit boy this is a operating room and I am the surgeon.” Is the hardest line ever and it needs to be on a T-shirt
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
I have one major issue with the video. Saying Batman wasn't taken seriously until Frank Miller is a disservice to Denis O'Neil. Miller certainly perfected what we think of as the prototypical Batman today, but Denis O'Neil is the one who brought Batman back from camp and into it's grittier darker roots throughout his 70's runs. You don't get Year One or Dark Knight Returns without his rebranding of the character, especially because he was the editor of those titles.
Yes, other people have told me about the other writers that helped Batman’s reputation, but at the time of me making the video Frank Miller was the only one I was familiar with, thank you though.
Thank you! O’Neal and Adam’s ran so that Millar could swan dive into the shallow end of a pool. The latter has brilliant work but it would’ve floundered without the former pair elevating Batman beyond the capacity of ‘super spy’ or vigilante. Great video otherwise.
@@chaytonmundell6360bro shallow end of a pool is the perfect way to describe how Miller began the downward spiral of turning Batman into the Punisher with a silly hat.
both comic and animated movie are not just good representations of the Batman mythos but one of the greatest pieces of art. I hope as time goes more and more people will understand this.
The fight in the mud pit between the mutant leader and Batman is considered by many to be the most realistic fight scene in an animated feature From the point after the ML says Batman show yourself fool so I may destroy you and he rises out of the mud like a monolith saying All right son show me what you got, but when he unsnaps his cape letting it fall into the mud, it was at that point I thought, Oh the shits gonna get real now and I was certainly correct on that. As a martial artist and fighter every blow and grappling technique Batman used was on point From the initial back fist strike to the final ground and pound Batman's fighting prowess was in top form. Every body shot to a critical target followed by the jujitsu elbow and knee break was classic.
16:29 Michael Emerson was also in a very Batman like show called "Person of Interest", co-created by The Dark Knight co-writer Jonathan Nolan (Christopher's little brother). It's probably my favourite show ever, I highly recommend it to everyone, especially Batman fans.
Controversial take: The movie is even better. I love the comic so much but this movie elevates the material even more. The score, the direction, animation, every frame full of love, the performances 😢… It’s so well made.
11:34 there is an interpretation of this scene where joker actually died right away here ,and the rest of the scene where he taunts Batman then snaps his own neck and “see you in hell” was all in Batman’s mind ,that’s why he tells the joker corpse to “stop laughing” because from his perspective the joker is still alive and laughing(and also the joker bubbles in the comic being dark grey like Batman’s)
I really don't think there very much more inspiring content than when Bruce bloody and beaten goes to the bat cave and says "your not done with me your never done with me, while having flashbacks to seeing his parents in a casket so good imo
I really like both, I watched the movie as a kid and then read the comic when I was 18-19. Personally I like the comic book more but I love both. I also really liked that Christopher Drake used more electronic and synth sounds in the score and gave us a different outlook then the status quo orchestral music of classic Batman, in those terms IMO it had the same effect of “bringing something different to the table” like the original comic did
Hehehehe, with how much they changed from the book to the movie or even outright omitted because of the content or copyrights for certain characters, that'll be easy to explain the differences, hell just the opening alone is quite different
Solid job. There are a few dialogue swaps between the two, switching "boy" for "son" against the Mutant Leader. My one critique JOKER IS DEAD Hes not speaking after death, that is purely in Bruce's head. Ie why he manages to keep "laughing" with a broken neck and on fire Great job though and this is coming from a super fan. I have every edirion of the book including the signed artist leather bound copy. The 4 feet tall Dark Knight Prime 1 statje. 3 horse statues. Batman beating the Mutant leadee statue It & Born Again; both Frank Miller have been major forces in my life
Wow, Tara strong was in the movie as a voice actor, a DC movie, that's surprising, who would have thought Tara Strong being in a DC animated movie as a voice actor? Unbelievable. Besides that, saying that Tara Strong is everywhere if you didn't get it, nice video. Also, speaking of voice actors, Peter Weller, the man who acted as my hero, Robocop, as Batman is a dream come true.
1:20 Don't be serious. They just copy pasted Batman's outfit. Everything else was...I don't know how to explain it. But if they even tried half as hard actually adapting the source material then it would have actually been a good fight to watch.
Snyder...I feel the same way about him as I do about the Director for Joker. If they had done any other story for their own work of fiction. Their movies would be criticized differently.... well maybe. We all know that Rebel Moon leaves Snyder's fan base just as divided.
You left out David Selby as Gordon. Selby played Quentin Collins for nearly the series entire run OF Dark Shadows and did other acting jobs as well. Weller and Selby were the only screen actors who were doing voice work in the 2 partners.
I’ve been watching it again recently and telling people to give it a chance. I tell them they wouldn’t have their precious Michael Keaton if you didn’t just by chance get a taste of “this is Sparta” in there
Steve Englehart is the one that made Batman dark again. His run on Batman started on issue #471 in 1977 The Dark Knight Returns came out 9 years later in 1986
After Batman snapped Jokers neck.. I always thought Batman imagined that Joker said "see you in hell, Batman" and his laugh. This is because he tells the burning Joker to stop laughing even though we can't hear it.
@@thenerddesk111 I have the same headcanon, but I believe it was confirmed by frank miller it was not in fact imaginary Who cares tho, I think it's cooler that way
The movie feels more like a spectacle, more epic while the comic has that but also being more psycological and interesting, i think it works great as an adaptation for those who have read the comic or those who don't want to read it. The only downside i have is joker's voice, in my opinion is the worst joker voice in batman animation, is not bad but doesn't feel like joker
No, DKR was a masterpiece in his time, and still well regarded with the pass of the years, considering one of the comics alongside Watchmen, no adaptation can cope the comic book
@@JAGL1728No the movie is better just on the fact that it's better to look at over Miller's terrible art and for making it clear that Batman didn't that mutant holding the kid hostage unlike the comic where it looked like he killed the guy.
@@Drums_of_Liberation nah, then stick To other media, because DKR Miller artwork looked fine, not his best but isn’t even looked like Master Race, and there was Klaus Janson on the inks and helping Miller on the finished art
I prefer the dialogue over the inner monologues. It just feels right to me. I also prefer the Joker in the movie over the comic Joker. The comic felt like it was trying too hard to make Joker serious, to the point he rarely ever smiles or laughs. The movie Joker is exactly how I imagine an older Joker being like.
The best thing this movie has to offer for was the dialogue and The Joker himself. The dialogue is so well written and executed I can literally recite it as it was the Bible. The joker in this movie is so much more hated and just plain unforgivable seriously I hate this joker but not in a bad way but in a good way a true hatred the way he talks, acts, and just moves is just perfect to reflect his personality in this movie.
Batman is arguably a "force" however in the first movie the mutants note that he's not supernatural because hes making a lot more noise than usual. He's much scarier as a man. Catwoman is loosely implied to have been assaulted in both the book and the comic but its not explicit enough. Batman doesn't actually kill joker here, he cant do it. Joker makes him loose control, not kill. You didn't listen to his dialogue after breaking his neck.
There were some other comments saying he did kill joker and the rest of the dialogue was a hallucination, and I knew about the Catwoman thing, but figured not to mention it, but thanks for pointing stuff out.
@@thenerddesk111 you misunderstand my point, batman breaks jokers neck but can't bring himself to kill joker. Batman breaks his neck because of the combination of his anger and the desperation brought on by the fact joker was gutting him. Once the joker collapses he acknowledges that Batman can't kill him but the joker still makes Batman lose control so he kills himself. Batman intends to kill Joker at first but not in a way that specifically dictates his lost control, contrary to what ends up happening. There's nothing hallucinatory happening in that scene.
everyone gives The Dark Knight Returns the credit for making Batman serious again but what about tales of the demon or other Batman comics from the 70's from Dennis O'Neil and crew. even if you mean in the mainstream normies wouldn't start reading Batman until the 1989 film came out. so no the Dark Knight Returns didn't reinvent the wheel for Batman. In fact, it's a pretty overrated Batman comic filled with Frank Miller's own brand of weird edgy garbage like the shirtless neo n@z! woman and Batman is dressed as an old woman. why does every video about The Dark Knight Returns start with this straight-up lie? I would say the comics stopped being campy in Detective Comics 327(a 60's comic btw) and then Dennis O'Neil really made Batman serious in the 70's.
You answered your own question my man. People start with the misinformation of Miller being the one to bring Batman back to the dark because of his overrated tripe of a book.
00:48 Woah, to the GENERAL non comic reading PUBLIC he might have been a joke in the 70s, but in the comic world that was already on the way out by the late 60s when he moved from Wayne Manor to his Gotham Penthouse like we saw in Nolan's Dark Knight. In the 70s proper Denny O'Neil with Neal Adams and Steve Englehart with Walt Simonson returned him to his darker roots. By saying Miller made him cool again you're dismissing some of his best hard boiled stories with our introductions to new lasting villains like Ra's Al Ghul. I mean Mike Barr's Batman was cool in 83. All DKR did was show the general public that comics were not just a kids medium. If you didn't live through it, there are still plenty of resources that could have been used to avoid this wildly false claim as why would they want to use a RETIRED Batman as the way to make him cool when he was already cool?
Could you do a video on either justice League the new frontier vs DC The New frontier, if not Batman Gotham by Gaslight vs its aource material, and foind out recently they did a sequel to that comic as well, the art is reminiscent of the original and the story is not that bad. The first issue is largely focused on Selena.
Miller's slanted, somewhat unsettling and unique art really emphasizes the dark story. The movie's more conventional DCAMU style really neuters that aspect. Major downgrade.
@11:34 this guy isn't that smart. The joker talking was in Batman's head. It's art where the joker made Batman do it so it's seen as if he did it himself
The only part of the movies that fails is Jokers death. Batman kills joker, there is no final quote from Joker. The comics convey this through speech bubble color, but the whole “see you in hell” part is a hallucination from Bruce to convince himself he didn’t break his rule.
Great video, but i wish you gave credit for people like neal adams and danny O'Neil and others who worked so hard to bring back batman to his gritty roots back in the 70s, if it weren't for them (and the editorial) frank Miller's dark knight returns wouldn't have existed. Its not like frank materialized into dc one day and all of a sudden turned batman from a goofy character to a gritty one, the groundwork was already done a decade before miller's book.
A lot of other people have mentioned that, I didn’t do enough research on my part for that aspect of the video I’ll admit. And after the fact, Frank Miller definitely wasn’t the comic deity I had heard him to be.
@@thenerddesk111 oh no, frank miller used to be an amazing writer and artist (daredevil, wolverine, batman year one etc) he used to be a deity but for some reason his art and comics got worse and worse, they degraded immensely, the dark knight returns 2 and 3 were abysmal, and his holy terror comic needs no introduction, have you seen some of his recent artwork for captain America and wolverine? that was horrid that is not the same man who drew these characters back in the 80s! i can't believe my eyes.
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Just to clarify a few things:
Sorry for most of the footage having low quality and subtitles, it was the only source I could find to get most of the movie clips.
Original source: Bruce Huang
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
The movie lacks Batman's inner monologue. It's really important.
"Voices in my head..calling me a killer.."
THIS! Most of the very BEST/CLASSIC lines in the comic are what Batman is thinking in his head. It’s a shame they did not have Peter Weller do these as a voice over.
yes, the comic really makes you understand that he's going nuts
They do a pretty good job of it though. Climbing the rope you see he's older and needs his legs now. During the mutant fight the inner monologue becomes a dialogue
It's my favorite book but I have to give them credit. They mostly nailed it
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
Christopher Drake’s score for this film is PHENOMENAL. He should be the go-to Batman composer imo.
the mugger realizing that the batman was not a myth made by the gcpd (his bones will all be shattered)
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
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OK, I could be butchering the exact quote but when Batman says to the mutant leader “this is no mud pit boy this is a operating room and I am the surgeon.” Is the hardest line ever and it needs to be on a T-shirt
Mud hole and operating table and son, not boy. Very close
That and “I want you to remember, Clark…” are two of my favourite quotes from comics.
Peter Weller is an underrated Batman!
Based Marcy Wu pfp
Robocop being the voice of Battman is a dream
The Robocop actor as Batman is awesome
Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. Repent and believe in him or you will be separated from God The Father for all eternity and face hell forever, for all eternity, never ending.
I have one major issue with the video. Saying Batman wasn't taken seriously until Frank Miller is a disservice to Denis O'Neil. Miller certainly perfected what we think of as the prototypical Batman today, but Denis O'Neil is the one who brought Batman back from camp and into it's grittier darker roots throughout his 70's runs. You don't get Year One or Dark Knight Returns without his rebranding of the character, especially because he was the editor of those titles.
Yes, other people have told me about the other writers that helped Batman’s reputation, but at the time of me making the video Frank Miller was the only one I was familiar with, thank you though.
Frank Miller is great, but he really didnt make the modern Batman. That credit goes to Dennis O’Neal and artist Neal Adams.
Truer words have never been spoken
I’m honestly not too knowledgeable of the eras of Batman, but I know Frank Miller changed him a bit with this story for sure.
@@thenerddesk111 Definitely, he just didnt start it.
Thank you! O’Neal and Adam’s ran so that Millar could swan dive into the shallow end of a pool. The latter has brilliant work but it would’ve floundered without the former pair elevating Batman beyond the capacity of ‘super spy’ or vigilante. Great video otherwise.
@@chaytonmundell6360bro shallow end of a pool is the perfect way to describe how Miller began the downward spiral of turning Batman into the Punisher with a silly hat.
both comic and animated movie are not just good representations of the Batman mythos but one of the greatest pieces of art. I hope as time goes more and more people will understand this.
How come you feel it’s not good Batman representation?
@@emmanuelalfarogutierrez1866he said they are
The movie put what was great about the comic and enhanced it how it presented Superman was a improvement for me
You truly deserve more subscribers. Keep going man!
Amen to that
The fight in the mud pit between the mutant leader and Batman is considered by many to be the most realistic fight scene in an animated feature From the point after the ML says Batman show yourself fool so I may destroy you and he rises out of the mud like a monolith saying All right son show me what you got, but when he unsnaps his cape letting it fall into the mud, it was at that point I thought, Oh the shits gonna get real now and I was certainly correct on that. As a martial artist and fighter every blow and grappling technique Batman used was on point From the initial back fist strike to the final ground and pound Batman's fighting prowess was in top form. Every body shot to a critical target followed by the jujitsu elbow and knee break was classic.
Superman winking at the end was just perfect.
16:29 Michael Emerson was also in a very Batman like show called "Person of Interest", co-created by The Dark Knight co-writer Jonathan Nolan (Christopher's little brother).
It's probably my favourite show ever, I highly recommend it to everyone, especially Batman fans.
Love that show
Controversial take:
The movie is even better.
I love the comic so much but this movie elevates the material even more.
The score, the direction, animation, every frame full of love, the performances 😢…
It’s so well made.
You forgot to mention that in the book, Joker kills a boy scout troop with poisoned cotton candy.
I completely missed that, thank you.
11:34 there is an interpretation of this scene where joker actually died right away here ,and the rest of the scene where he taunts Batman then snaps his own neck and “see you in hell” was all in Batman’s mind ,that’s why he tells the joker corpse to “stop laughing” because from his perspective the joker is still alive and laughing(and also the joker bubbles in the comic being dark grey like Batman’s)
I think the speech bubbles are proof of this
I could totally believe that, thanks for pointing it out!
I really don't think there very much more inspiring content than when Bruce bloody and beaten goes to the bat cave and says "your not done with me your never done with me, while having flashbacks to seeing his parents in a casket so good imo
I really like both, I watched the movie as a kid and then read the comic when I was 18-19. Personally I like the comic book more but I love both. I also really liked that Christopher Drake used more electronic and synth sounds in the score and gave us a different outlook then the status quo orchestral music of classic Batman, in those terms IMO it had the same effect of “bringing something different to the table” like the original comic did
0:30 lmfaooo solid jj
3:29 love that
You should consider making video on League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
@@gamerzilla6113 wow I totally forgot they even had a movie
Hehehehe, with how much they changed from the book to the movie or even outright omitted because of the content or copyrights for certain characters, that'll be easy to explain the differences, hell just the opening alone is quite different
Solid job. There are a few dialogue swaps between the two, switching "boy" for "son" against the Mutant Leader. My one critique
JOKER IS DEAD
Hes not speaking after death, that is purely in Bruce's head. Ie why he manages to keep "laughing" with a broken neck and on fire
Great job though and this is coming from a super fan. I have every edirion of the book including the signed artist leather bound copy. The 4 feet tall Dark Knight Prime 1 statje. 3 horse statues. Batman beating the Mutant leadee statue
It & Born Again; both Frank Miller have been major forces in my life
Glad to see it man, and yeah a lot of people have brought up the joker thing, and I’m glad to meet such a big fan.
First time seeing someone analyzed the difference between Frank Miller’s gore & the DC Original Movie Adaptation.
I just wish that adam west played batman, he actually does a pretty damn good job
Wow, Tara strong was in the movie as a voice actor, a DC movie, that's surprising, who would have thought Tara Strong being in a DC animated movie as a voice actor? Unbelievable.
Besides that, saying that Tara Strong is everywhere if you didn't get it, nice video.
Also, speaking of voice actors, Peter Weller, the man who acted as my hero, Robocop, as Batman is a dream come true.
Batman the long Halloween movie animated vs batman the long Halloween comic book please make video
I’ll add it to the list!
I likes the Comic more but the Movie wasnt bad either.
Comic- 10/10
Movie- 8/10
IMO
1:20
Don't be serious.
They just copy pasted Batman's outfit.
Everything else was...I don't know how to explain it.
But if they even tried half as hard actually adapting the source material then it would have actually been a good fight to watch.
Agreed, I was mostly making a joke when I said that, and half taking a shot at Snyder.
Snyder...I feel the same way about him as I do about the Director for Joker.
If they had done any other story for their own work of fiction.
Their movies would be criticized differently.... well maybe.
We all know that Rebel Moon leaves Snyder's fan base just as divided.
After watching the killing joke movie, i was happy to see how faithful this movie was to the comic.
Conan o’Brian being the talk show will forever be my favorite casting in this
You left out David Selby as Gordon. Selby played Quentin Collins for nearly the series entire run OF Dark Shadows and did other acting jobs as well. Weller and Selby were the only screen actors who were doing voice work in the 2 partners.
The one time a adaptation was good the Superman design is just so much better
I’ve been watching it again recently and telling people to give it a chance. I tell them they wouldn’t have their precious Michael Keaton if you didn’t just by chance get a taste of “this is Sparta” in there
You should do one of these for Under the Red Hood. The movie and comic book are so wildly different it's really interesting
Great analysis. Subscribed ✅
You forgot Conan O'Brien as the talk show host
Steve Englehart is the one that made Batman dark again. His run on Batman started on issue #471 in 1977
The Dark Knight Returns came out 9 years later in 1986
Yeah if you look in the comments a lot of other people had said that too, bad research on my part.
@@thenerddesk111 it's a very common misconception.
@@Deadwolf27 for sure, most likely won’t happen again
After Batman snapped Jokers neck.. I always thought Batman imagined that Joker said "see you in hell, Batman" and his laugh. This is because he tells the burning Joker to stop laughing even though we can't hear it.
Yeah a lot of other people have pointed that out, something I missed for sure.
@@thenerddesk111 it was a great video either way and you earned a new subscriber bro.
@@Wazza555 appreciate that bro, thank you
@@thenerddesk111 I have the same headcanon, but I believe it was confirmed by frank miller it was not in fact imaginary
Who cares tho, I think it's cooler that way
If only the live action was detected by the same ones for the 2012
Great video mate! Really enjoyed it!
Bro when i heard garry anthony williams I LITERALLY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS THE SAME VA WHO VOICED YOUNG KRATOS XD hes PERFECT FOR KRATOS
it would be cool if the mutant gang were brought back into mainline dc continuity and made into batman beyond villains
How you don’t have more subscribers is insane
I appreciate it dude!
2:38 Knightwing01 reference
The movie feels more like a spectacle, more epic while the comic has that but also being more psycological and interesting, i think it works great as an adaptation for those who have read the comic or those who don't want to read it. The only downside i have is joker's voice, in my opinion is the worst joker voice in batman animation, is not bad but doesn't feel like joker
You forgot to mention they got THE Conan O Brian as the talkshow host
Oh I completely missed that! Thank you.
The movie is imo better than the comic
No, DKR was a masterpiece in his time, and still well regarded with the pass of the years, considering one of the comics alongside Watchmen, no adaptation can cope the comic book
@JAGL1728 i just think Frank Miller's art looks gross
@@JAGL1728No the movie is better just on the fact that it's better to look at over Miller's terrible art and for making it clear that Batman didn't that mutant holding the kid hostage unlike the comic where it looked like he killed the guy.
@@Drums_of_Liberation nah, then stick To other media, because DKR Miller artwork looked fine, not his best but isn’t even looked like Master Race, and there was Klaus Janson on the inks and helping Miller on the finished art
Iirc the original director for this left to work on Korra and gave it to Jay Olivia one of the better DCAU directors imo
You should call your channel The Nerd Escape because this was a very pleasant 18 minute escape into nerdom.
I prefer the dialogue over the inner monologues. It just feels right to me. I also prefer the Joker in the movie over the comic Joker. The comic felt like it was trying too hard to make Joker serious, to the point he rarely ever smiles or laughs. The movie Joker is exactly how I imagine an older Joker being like.
Batman: No more! All the people I've murdered by letting you live...
Joker: I never kept count!
Batman: I did.
Joker: I know, and I love ya for it!
The best thing this movie has to offer for was the dialogue and The Joker himself. The dialogue is so well written and executed I can literally recite it as it was the Bible. The joker in this movie is so much more hated and just plain unforgivable seriously I hate this joker but not in a bad way but in a good way a true hatred the way he talks, acts, and just moves is just perfect to reflect his personality in this movie.
0:56 Has anyone else ever wanted to just randomly strike this pose or is it just me?
@2:00 is a call back to detective comics 27 where Bruce Wayne and commissioner Gordon were introduced together talking. This kid missed that reference
No I completely missed that one, my bad
It‘s just quite tragic that, unlike Bruce, Alfred actually dies.
justice league crisis on infinite animated movie earths trilogy vs crisis on infinite earth comic comparison please make video
That’s a good one, someone else suggested new frontier as well, definitely gotta keep those ones in mind.
@@thenerddesk111 theres also an arrowverse crisis so you can compare all 3
New frontier please, 👍🏻 that was me@@thenerddesk111
Batman is arguably a "force" however in the first movie the mutants note that he's not supernatural because hes making a lot more noise than usual. He's much scarier as a man.
Catwoman is loosely implied to have been assaulted in both the book and the comic but its not explicit enough.
Batman doesn't actually kill joker here, he cant do it. Joker makes him loose control, not kill. You didn't listen to his dialogue after breaking his neck.
There were some other comments saying he did kill joker and the rest of the dialogue was a hallucination, and I knew about the Catwoman thing, but figured not to mention it, but thanks for pointing stuff out.
@@thenerddesk111 you misunderstand my point, batman breaks jokers neck but can't bring himself to kill joker. Batman breaks his neck because of the combination of his anger and the desperation brought on by the fact joker was gutting him. Once the joker collapses he acknowledges that Batman can't kill him but the joker still makes Batman lose control so he kills himself. Batman intends to kill Joker at first but not in a way that specifically dictates his lost control, contrary to what ends up happening. There's nothing hallucinatory happening in that scene.
Ah, that clears things up, thank you, that whole scene just has so much weight to it, but don’t think I understood all of it.
everyone gives The Dark Knight Returns the credit for making Batman serious again but what about tales of the demon or other Batman comics from the 70's from Dennis O'Neil and crew. even if you mean in the mainstream normies wouldn't start reading Batman until the 1989 film came out. so no the Dark Knight Returns didn't reinvent the wheel for Batman. In fact, it's a pretty overrated Batman comic filled with Frank Miller's own brand of weird edgy garbage like the shirtless neo n@z! woman and Batman is dressed as an old woman. why does every video about The Dark Knight Returns start with this straight-up lie? I would say the comics stopped being campy in Detective Comics 327(a 60's comic btw) and then Dennis O'Neil really made Batman serious in the 70's.
You answered your own question my man. People start with the misinformation of Miller being the one to bring Batman back to the dark because of his overrated tripe of a book.
@@Drums_of_Liberation I wasn't expecting people to agree with me. thanks
I also have that same Darkness comic.
Nice dude!
4:37 she looks like yumeko from, kakeguri
Good one, virgin weeb
Ah, Frank Miller - Possibly the finest example of a mixed-bag writer ever.
After doing more research after the video…YES
Can we get Year One?
Maybe…
Not gonna lie I prefer the animated movie over the comic but that's just me.
Denny O'Neil brought darkness back to Batman years before Frank Miller 🙄
A lot of other people have mentioned that in the comments, researching problem on my part.
00:48 Woah, to the GENERAL non comic reading PUBLIC he might have been a joke in the 70s, but in the comic world that was already on the way out by the late 60s when he moved from Wayne Manor to his Gotham Penthouse like we saw in Nolan's Dark Knight.
In the 70s proper Denny O'Neil with Neal Adams and Steve Englehart with Walt Simonson returned him to his darker roots.
By saying Miller made him cool again you're dismissing some of his best hard boiled stories with our introductions to new lasting villains like Ra's Al Ghul. I mean Mike Barr's Batman was cool in 83.
All DKR did was show the general public that comics were not just a kids medium. If you didn't live through it, there are still plenty of resources that could have been used to avoid this wildly false claim as why would they want to use a RETIRED Batman as the way to make him cool when he was already cool?
Yeah a bunch of other people have already brought that up, bad research on my part, before this video I had a very different look on Frank Miller.
Could you do a video on either justice League the new frontier vs DC The New frontier, if not Batman Gotham by Gaslight vs its aource material, and foind out recently they did a sequel to that comic as well, the art is reminiscent of the original and the story is not that bad. The first issue is largely focused on Selena.
Good to know, lots of DC and Batman stuff coming my way, I might try some marvel too, thank you for the recommendation!
I highly preferred the movie. The book's structure, with all those news segments, was a turn-off for me.
So accurate
Batman actually did kill joker
Miller's slanted, somewhat unsettling and unique art really emphasizes the dark story. The movie's more conventional DCAMU style really neuters that aspect. Major downgrade.
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Carrie Kelly is one of the only reasons I don’t love this story. I don’t like her at all lol
@11:34 this guy isn't that smart. The joker talking was in Batman's head. It's art where the joker made Batman do it so it's seen as if he did it himself
Yeah a lot of people mentioned to me in other comments how I missed this part.
@13:08 if only they had a better voice actor
Thats not wonder woman...
No, it most definitely is not…
The only part of the movies that fails is Jokers death. Batman kills joker, there is no final quote from Joker. The comics convey this through speech bubble color, but the whole “see you in hell” part is a hallucination from Bruce to convince himself he didn’t break his rule.
14:29 why can’t that be in BvS
16:03 Ben Tennyson
Great video, but i wish you gave credit for people like neal adams and danny O'Neil and others who worked so hard to bring back batman to his gritty roots back in the 70s, if it weren't for them (and the editorial) frank Miller's dark knight returns wouldn't have existed. Its not like frank materialized into dc one day and all of a sudden turned batman from a goofy character to a gritty one, the groundwork was already done a decade before miller's book.
A lot of other people have mentioned that, I didn’t do enough research on my part for that aspect of the video I’ll admit. And after the fact, Frank Miller definitely wasn’t the comic deity I had heard him to be.
@@thenerddesk111 oh no, frank miller used to be an amazing writer and artist (daredevil, wolverine, batman year one etc) he used to be a deity but for some reason his art and comics got worse and worse, they degraded immensely, the dark knight returns 2 and 3 were abysmal, and his holy terror comic needs no introduction, have you seen some of his recent artwork for captain America and wolverine? that was horrid that is not the same man who drew these characters back in the 80s! i can't believe my eyes.
Could be age, but also maybe an ego thing, where you eventually become a character of yourself after all you’ve accomplished.
@@thenerddesk111 true