The interview clips with Joel Schumacher really help me gain a new respect for him. He OWNS everything, apologizes, takes responsibility, and realizes his mistakes. That's a class act.
Same with George Clooney, I remember the old legend that he'd offer people a refund personally if they approached him on the street saying they watched Batman and Robin in theater.
I mean to be honest he's actually a really good filmmaker and made some really dark films that NO batman movie has touched yet. 8mm and Falling Down are really good.
I like how Chris Nolan proved that darkness doesn’t come from violence, Batman doesn’t need to be an R rated violent bloodbath. I respect Nolan for that a lot.
Joel Schumacher seems like a shockingly genuine guy. The fact that he said that he can’t fingerpoint or blame anyone else for losing control of his project to money grabbers because he was a full grown adult with agency and should have been better is like…crazy big of him, especially because it would be anyone’s first instinct to be extremely defensive with how much hate he gets. And then apologizing for any fans of Batman Forever and saying he didn’t intend to let them down is also pretty big of him. I’ve never actually heard him speak on it, only ever hearing people criticize him and his work. I was definitely expecting a way bigger douche from hearing all that, so it was nice to see how genuine he was in that interview. He may be a miserable asshole outside of those clips, I dunno, can’t judge someone from a clip that short. But it was surprising and stood out to me how humble he seemed there.
Bruce Timm's animated series is the perfect adaptation, the evidence of this is the fact that Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill have continued to be cast in their iconic roles as Batman/Bruce Wayne and Joker for decades afterwards
@@joogullae3456 and it was effectively a movie length Batman the animated series episode, like Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero, right down to the exact same voice cast.
I think it’s amazing and a classic but it’s not something that I could say was flawless. The BTAS characterizations were often great but at times they definitely had drawbacks. Catwoman having Batman arrest her in her first adventure was a huge mistake (it made her eternally disadvantaged as she had to deal with the world knowing her secret identity limiting the freedom her character normally has). Nightwing was too brooding and sulky with little in common with the comic Tern Titans leader who enjoyed working with other heroes and whose relationship with Bruce is less strained (and I’m not even touching the love triangle bullshit that Bruce Timm forced in). Harley never had ANY real lasting character growth despite being focused on a lot. Bane was effectively Rupert Thorne’s goon rather than a criminal mastermind in his own right with physical and mental strength. But I will say that the good far outweighs the bad with BTAS and the DCAU.
Clint Eastwood as an old Bruce Wayne in a Cyberpunk, Rated R, Batman Beyond movie written by Paul Dini and directed by Yakim actually sounds fucking sick.
The only problem I can find with Begins is that they dont make Batman much of a detective story and he comes off as pretty damn smart but not a genius sadly like in the comics but its still a great movie and I loved it as a child.
Morgan freeman said that he never does commercials to sell products, as people tend to believe him. This was one case where I bought everything he sold on screen.
Among other aspects, it makes the entire premise seem plausible. The strength of Nolan's Batman was that it seemed as if it could actually happen, especially Dark Knight.
@@omegashinra7672 i mean, yeah that’s a totally valid point. Granted, my fairly limited comic knowledge is almost entirely limited to DC, but as far as I’m aware Stan had bit more creativity and integrity than Bob did in his time. Feel free to correct me though, I’m only fairly new to the in depth comic world.
You have to feel for Joel Shumacher. He did as he was told by Warner Bros and made films that will market to kids and sell merch. But he never seemed to get the respect back from fans until around the time of his death it seems, because other than the Batman films, he was a great director. Falling Down is one of my all-time favourites.
I'm not so sure if his filmography is all that great TBH. He's made more than just one bad movie, i'd say. With that said, 'Phonebooth' is one of his better ones, and one of my personal favourites due to its unique bizzareness 🤨.
@@VeerMaharaj Zack Snyder didn't make Superman kid friendly at all. He snapped someone's neck in the movie, not to mention that Zack Snyder writing for superman sucks.
I think it's important to mention two films that made Batman Begins even possible. Unbreakable showed that a superhero origin story could be a serious film drama. X-men from 2002 showed that comic movies could still do well at the box office.
X-men tried first, but Spider-man ultimately proved what happens when you do something *right* and just stick to the guns of the source material and just give the people a solid story and good acting. Batman Begins was simply DC's version of this. And for those that mentioned Blade... naw son. Blade movies were bad. REAL bad.
To be honest.. for me, Batman is the James Bond of the DC World. 1. He’s got the gadgets 2. He has a famous high tech car 3. He’s a playboy, he dated a lot of women.. Talia, Lois, Black Canary, Wonder Woman and Catwoman etc. 4. Master of Mixed Martial Arts 5. Numerous of Actors played Batman just like James Bond
A core memory of mine was my dad coming home from work early so he could take me to see Batman Begins in the theaters. I was 12/13 at the time and my family had a hardcore "no TV on school nights" policy so it was a big deal for him to do this, but he knew how hyped I was for it to come out. At the scene where Bruce is on the plane with Alfred he leans over to me and goes "I am really digging this movie". To this day it's one of my favorite memories of going to the movies. Years later he and I went to see Justice League and I noticed a father and son (son looked about 12/13) in line as well and the son was wearing a superman t-shirt, I couldn't help but think they were about to create a similar memory for themselves.
Very good video. As one of the co-writers of the unfortunately named “Batman DarKnight”, I appreciate you including it in the history. A few details were not quite accurate, but it got the gist of what happened. I’ll be following your channel.
Yeah the kind of glossed over the 70’s with Denny O’Neils ”back-to-the-roots” Batman which was well over 10 years before the overrated Dark Knight Returns, and it was that version that is the definition of Batman. The animated series leaned heavily on that run. And the whole ”comics were for kids” wasn’t really true even in the 30’s and 40’s - adults read comics and loads of comics were shipped to soldiers overseas. When Marvels glory years was, during the late 60’s, it was a mixture of kids and adults that read comics. Hell adults started reading more in the 70’s when Batman returned to his roots and Marvel had Daredevil on it’s high point. Dark Knight Returns in turn feels much more cartoony and silly than Batman in his regular runs around that time. Mostly due to the extreme edgelordness of the writing and fundamental misunderstanding of who both Batman and Supes are. It certainly has done more damage than good to the characters portrayals over the years. I’d argue much more than Adam Wests did.
Game changer in the worst way, now we've got every director and studio still attempting to make "dark" and "realistic" versions of colorful comic book characters so they can capitalize of the sheep like you that have seen a total of 16 movies, calling shit like the dark knight a game changer is beyond laughable
@gregbors8364 Because they don't understand that tone is not the end all/be all of filmmaking. Different characters require different tone, but what matters most of all is story and character. Nolan's Batman had both in spades.
Clooney definitely has the face for Bruce Wayne and looks killer in a Batman suit, which especially makes it a shame that he might never get the chance to wear the cowl again
@@dutchvonrichardson Joaquin Phoenix was actually Darren Aronofsky idea; Warner Bros wanted Freddie Prinze Jr. And from what I read, Josh Hartnett was one of Christopher Nolan's first choices, but Hartnett turned him down. Oh wait, that last line makes me realize I may have misunderstood
well, with the Michael keeton Batman they got really good at cross merchandising and marketing. at the time they seemed invincible, but in retrospect, pride cometh before a big fall.
Created by Bill Finger is the absolute best opening to any Batman video ever made. Very well done, but you absolutely had me at respecting the real creator.
Hear me out, okay, but the Batcard actually makes sense. Like what if Batman does actually need to buy something while he's out & about. His normal card would reveal his identity. I guess he could use cash, which is also fitting for him considering that oldddd iconic Justice League episode where he gives superman cash for his birthday 😂
Suddenly I'm thinking how the batcard is made, is batman going to the bank or some financial company own by Wayne provide it. Or maybe Gotham City issued an unlimited card for Batman 🤔
I didn’t think of it this way. I never thought Batman would need to buy anything while he’s out but sometimes there may be a thing or two on the occasion that you need but you don’t have handy.
I absolutely HATED the idea of Batman Beyond - there's a new Batman, and he's a character we just made up, and it's THE FUTURE! Then the show turned out to be an endlessly re-watchable masterpiece. What more can you say?
Oh yea, I think Texas Chainsaw Massacre was one of the first reboots that made 13 year old me aware of that trend back then, and then it just kept going...and going...and going...and going.
@@Crain1990 I was also around 13 when I realized it. I kept watching The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) trailer saying “why are they calling that Andrew Garfield guy Peter? That’s not supposed to be Peter Parker.” And I watched Hulk (2008) a bunch of times saying “that’s weird that there’s another Bruce Banner. Guess there’s two hulks. Wonder when they’ll meet.”
Boots to Reboots is the finest series on TH-cam, a criminally underappreciated jewel -- if you haven't seen the Andys in action, you're seriously missing out. I am not kidding.
It was actually Charlie's Angels back in 2000 that started this whole trend. That was a huge hit and starred all women. Mainly because they realised they could base a film off a known older property and have it be profitable. Also means less advertising because its an established brand. Beginning of the end!
Even though it wasn't his fault that his version was poorly written. You gotta appreciate Clooney for being open and apologizing for his portrayal of Batman.
@@MickMcGarnackle i like clooney but billionaires most often don't have charm when they aren't self-made. a more wealthy, i-do-what-i-want/cold attitude is something that bale absolutely nails on the head, and the- i can get everything i want except the girl leaves you interested in what happens next
@@brianpark2564 That's what makes Bale such a perfect young Bruce. Clooney is more like Bruce in his 30s, more experienced at reading people and laying on the charm.
@@ItWasAShtShow Personally I'm still disappointed Warner Bros can't see it in their hearts to release Batman Forever: The Original Cut. The 170 minute edit sounds darker and more fascinating. Especially the so called "Man-Bat Red Diary scene" where Bruce remembers who he is.
@@ItWasAShtShow Nonetheless I still want to see the cut anyway because those scenes actually looked they would significantly improve the film, and there was more that still hasn't been released. Paramount Pictures just released the 4K version of the 2000 director's cut of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" and that movie's Theatrical version was far worse than Batman Forever was, but the director's cut turned out to be the complete opposite and amazing, and they've even gone back and recreated the effects shots in 4K now. If Paramount can do that after so many decades, there's no reason for Warner Bros not to restore and let us see the Batman Forever Original darker 170 minute cut.
yea idk where he got that 'the studio went to efforts to promote it as a reboot' because I watched that entire film thinking it was a prequel. it wasn't until it was out on DVD that i realized oh man, this was a reboot.
It's funny how far audiences have come. From being possibly confused by the concept of a reboot to telling multiverse stories with characters from different continuities interacting.
I don't think audience are ever "confused by the concept of reboot". They are just sick of rewatching the same stuffs again and again, and studio executives just reword it as "audiences get confused by reboots" to the higher management to stop them keep pressing the reboot button on every show.
We have the Internet and search engines today, plus with stuff like TH-cam it's never been easier to get an answer to "what is a multiverse" at any level of depth or for any audience
Just getting into it. Batman's popularity didn't continue to soar from the 40s to the 60s. The character had taken a serious hit in the 1950s and was basically on his way out before the 60s TV show revitalized his popularity. I think it's also fair to say that the 60s TV show is really not all that different from the Batman comics of the day. They were all incredibly silly and toothless and the thing the series did was make that funny and fun to watch instead of dumb. Batman fans should be grateful for the Adam West show because without its short-lived phenomenon, Batman comics might well have been canceled and the character forgotten. Of course, it is important to note that Julius Schwartz and Denny O'Neil had to again work to resurrect Batman's popularity and redefine him after the TV show ended.
Adam west will probably always be the only truly comic accurate Batman. He encompassed everything the character was in the 60's. They even lifted a few episode plots straight from the comics. I don't understand the hype around the dark knight returns. Sure its a good comic, but I think it's overexposed and given way too much credit. Batman started to darken up again in the 70's in the comics, it was slow but he was definitely returning to being a creature of the night. The dark night returns was by no means the first comic to do so.
@@EronPlaysRocknRoll TDKR is famous because of what it did with the comic form and its intelligent satire. Miller's art was incredibly unique for the time and the book's political commentary was seen as something unusually sharp and unexpected for the time. That Batman is depicted as dark and gritty and violent may be its most prevailing legacy, but that's not the only reason it deservedly became a huge landmark. You have to consider context before you say something is overrated or overexposed. This is a mainstream comic doing crazy stuff that you usually only saw in indie comics, that's why it became a big deal.
@@EronPlaysRocknRoll You'd have to be completely ignorant of comic books to not realize how revolutionary Dark Knight Returns was. Not just for Batman but Comics as a whole. Miller and Moore and the only reason any comics are counted amongst great literature
The character took a hit in the 50's because the entire comic industry was under attack by Dr. Frederick Wertham, a psychiatrist who wrote a book called the "Seduction of the Innocent" in 1954 , which alleged that comic books were a negative form of popular literature and a serious cause of juvenile delinquency. People took it seriously, so the Batman character and tangential characters became goofier.
@@christianbjorck816 He can't steel something from Finger that Finger never had. Kane invented Batman before Finger knew he existed. Bob Kane is the soul creator of Batman and he only worked on one movie.
@@captainjefferies9047 Incorrect. Kane only had a the shadow rip-off. Bill Finger created the suit, the gadgets, the supporting cast, the origin, the bat-cave, the batmobile, most of Batmans classic rouges and wrote the stories. He is the creator of Batman. Not the hack Bob Kane.
I’d forgotten that ‘Dark Knight’ was 2008. I took my daughter, then barely 10yrs old, to see it at the cinema. Her favourite scene? “wanna see a magic trick?” … she loves that bit, bless ‘er.
@@artxhema2844 Yeah, I hear ya. But, I remember begging my folks to let me stay up late for ‘Hammer House of Horror’ as an 11yr old (back in ‘75) and grew up on Omen, Evil Dead, Fri 13th, Hallowe’en, etc. My daughter’s now 25 & worryingly well-adjusted. We’ve enjoyed watching the likes of both High School Musical AND Texas Chain Massacre in the past. (I even took her to see ‘Attack of the Clones’ when she was 4, I think - I’ll have to check. She was thoroughly bored!)
I can watch it now as an adult n somehow be entertained. Obviously i know what kind of movie it is, n the acting is ...not acting. It's almost like a parody now. It's like a rare symbolic sign of the times like a limited edition coin thats rusted but worthless. Only those who picked one up n held onto it can appreciate what it once was.
The animated series was phenomenal. Even watching today, it holds up. All you have to do is watch the introductory sequence it to the mr. Freeze storyline, and you're instantly hooked. Mask of the Phantasm was also an excellent film. Not just an animated film, but an excellent film in general. The animated series is one of the greatest animated achievements of the modern era.
A lot of the jokes in Batman and Robin did not seem nearly as fun or enjoyable as those in the 1966 series, but that one feels like something Adam West's caped crusader would have said. It's amazing, but also disappointing, that they played it so tongue in cheek yet wouldn't go all out on the camp to match that classic series.
Well I mean nowadays the jokes are really all those movies are good for. You can still have a great time with those movies. But there’s actually people who think they’re genuinely good movies
The dark knight changed the game. Begins was serviceable, but not best of all time. Rises is good for a third sequel, and it was profitable, and memorable, but not as good as dark knight. All the prestige is from that film.
I don't understand how Nolan can make an awesome film like The Dark Knight, then go and make the shittiest movies of all time (Oppenheimer, Dunkirk, that other shit one). Especially Oppenheimer.
When I saw this in my recommended, I had no idea that it was gonna be this well edited, written, and voiced. When I saw your subcount, I was flabbergasted. This stuff is amazing and you deserve thousands of subs, you're doing great work! Keep it up!
It never ceases to amaze me…the incompetence of major studios dropping the ball. It’s like these corporate suits are so out of touch with cinema, art, and the human race.
I love this video so much, you pointed out basically the history of Batman cinema in such a clear and immersive way. I’ve never saw this side of Batman’s journey on the big screen and now I appreciate it so much more. From the pitch of Chris Nolan, filming on Iceland as the ice was just about to melt, the batmobile jump and train crash is actually real like holy moly I’ve never seen this on the bts of Batman begins. This is truly the perfect video about the birth, fall, and rise of Batman. Everyday I find reasons to appreciate the caped crusader even more, and this video adds up to that. Earned yourself a subscriber!
I remember being a kid and watching this film feeling so respected as an audience member. It had big words and discussions about justice, corruption, class, fear, and all being delivered very seriously, everything in it felt so much bigger than the movie and the characters. I didn’t understand shit obviously, but it felt really great watching somethig that was always looked down as for kids interpreted with so with such importance, and it wasn’t just me, Nolan and Goyer clearly put a lot of thought in the themes and the story they put on screen. Also I always felt that it portrayed the character as if it was desconstructing an urban myth, with the comics being a mythologized version of something that really happened and the movie showing what inspired all of it. This is why the batmobile wasn’t an enhanced car with a paint job and some bat ornaments, but a tank that served particular purposes, the bat suit was made of kevlar instead of it being a pijama, the reason behind the bat being chosen as a symbol, etc.
Tanky, jumping, barricade-ramming batmobile with rockets is exactly the thing a guy like Batman should use. It's way more usable than just a tuned up car with a rocket engine, when his targets try to lose and outmaneouver him, block his way etc. With just a fast batmobile the movie has to rely more on plot devices like a car transporter that shows up just in time to allow him to jump up the barricade, when Tumbler just smashes it to pieces or jumps over it, because it's purpose is to be able to do such things.
everyone knows the perfect ending to the trilogy was Alfred sitting down ordering his Fernet-Branca and looking around only to stop, and as a smile crosses his lips he nods. Everyone heard him tell Bruce the story so I think it stands to reason that everyone would know what he saw and since he was the emotional backbone of the series it's evident important, he gets the final shot of the film.
Matt Reeves' “The Batman” succeeds in all aspects from direction, story and acting, and it provides a strong foundation for a new DC comics continuity. The film is the best film of the year thus far as well as one of the greatest comic book films ever made.
Nah, Reeve's was so obsessed with recreating the cinema of his youth, that he completely forgot about batman. Batman is a mopey ass, fucking sadsack in that movie. The true Batman works through his trauma and becomes spiritually superhuman. Reeves batman does not
@@streetlawyer Btman was a mopey ass sad sack in every fucking adaption ever what are you talking about? There is no 'true' Batman, Grant Morrison's adaption of Batman isn't an objective tmeplate every creator has to use, there's such a thing in storytelling called a character arc and that's what Reeves was constructing.
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 it's interesting that you mentioned grant Morrison's batman, cause I was referencing batman comics generally. I agree with everything you said, but i wasn't saying that there is a one true adaptation of batman that every director should follow. I'm saying that Reeve's thinks batman is Kurt Cobain and Travis Bickle, instead of the mythic, spiritually tempered mythic hero that he always was, wether it's Morrison or Scott Snyder, or Denny O'Neil, or bill finger. That's the mistake Reeve's made. He misinterpreted batman as a cynical, damned, depressed, film noir protagonist. Batman is part of the superhero milieu, which means his mind and ethics are superhuman, which means that Reeve's needlessly violent and depressed is at odds with most of batman's history in comics and film. You can be dark without being nihilistic. Reeves missed that
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 btw, batman wasnt mopey and depressed in every iteration. He's more often portrayed as obsessed. But given the fact that he's deriving great spiritual meaning and significance in everything that he does, from exercising and dieting well, to meditating, to philanthropy and above all helping people and making his city a better place, sad Bruce makes less and less sense
Batman origin: parents murdered by a killer, so I became mentally unstable enough to be a hero, and catch murderous killers on my own Warner Bros: let's market batman to children
The Joel Schumacher films were basically a meta parody of the excesses of Hollywood action films during the 90's. Everything was overproduced from the costumes to the sets to the characters to the performances. Both films were almost like a 2 hour SNL sketch
Another awesome video! Thank you for all your hard work to give us such top notch content. Seriously the writing, editing, and research are fantastic. Your podcast is a blast too. Best wishes for both endeavors and can't wait to see what's next!
I always forget George Clooney played Bruce Wayne. The craziest thing is that he was the closest in theme to a big budget, then contemporary version of the 1960s Batman show.
Man i would love a live a action batman beyond movie , basically if you combine spiderman homecoming and blade runner 2049 you get the basic elements for a beyond movie
FUN FACT: Lee Shapiro, one of the two screenwriters for the unmade DarKnight movie, was my screenwriting teacher at my film school! He told us that several scenes he and Stephen had written actually carried over in Christopher Nolan's "Batman Begins"... So freaking cool!
Interesting that you say that, because of this video Stephen reached out and I interviewed both him and Lee. Sh*t Show Interview: Batman: DarKnight (Unproduced) th-cam.com/video/LU7Ba1Rds4M/w-d-xo.html
My grand uncle used to work as the props guy and as the pyrotechnican in the Batman and Robin movie, and he said it was the best and fun movie he ever worked in. He also said Joel Schumacher was the most kind and understanding director he ever met. But the toys director/producers are kinda strict. As the former props guy, he said they were very specific and careful when it comes to shooting the vehicles. Because most of the vehicles are made up of cheap metal supported by pipes and woods and it can easily get dent when it got hit. Understandably, so they can sell more toys from the movie. It was all fun and games and celebrated after the release of the first week of the movie, until the 2-3 weeks it kinda bomb 😂 Great video man keep up the good work!
Because it's made by Snyder. If it was made by some other overrated/overhyped director, it would have been considered the best and get talked about by everyone.
Came across this-here shit-show channel. I love how these mini-docs are so informative and way behind the scenes. Even when the doc is about a film that wasn't in my viewing wheelhouse I'm still captivated and still absorbing massive quantities of profound info. Finding this channel will allow me to kick my addiction to Sovereign Citizen videos. For that, I am truly grateful.
That Aronofsky adaptation sounds awesome. I guess it's cool that we eventually got a Travis Bickle-inspired Joker played by Joaquin Phoenix. But that's a little more predictable: you expect the Joker to be dark. It's more interesting if you give that story to Batman.
The line from batman begins when hes speaking to alfred about why he dresses like batman is so simplistic straight to the point and badass. no whining or long told explanation. nolan is on another fuckin level
3:50 It was nice of you to mention that Schumacher wanted to make a darker adaptation since he pretty much refuses to pass the buck for all the goofiness in Batman and Robin. Even if any adaptation would have his obvious flair, Batman Forever did show glimpses of how Schumacher would pull off a dark Batman
Really learned a lot about the history of Batman Cinema despite thinking myself a huge fan. However, the ending is really the best part of this video. Thank you for your work.
Dude. I just want to say. I have really enjoyed your vids. It's so freaking refreshing to have a channel that talks about entertainment in a respectful way. Even when critiquing, your really respectful of the material. Props to you and thanks for the amazing videos.
You’re welcome! Love film history. But it seems people have been programmed to believe that YT only offers reviews or essays. This is neither. Gotta retrain some, we make mini-documentaries!
And, hey, he actually apologized and took responsibility for what he'd done. Most directors would either pretend it never happened, blame someone else, or gloss over it.
It so funny how Batman begins reintroduced studios to the idea of a reboot. And after it came out studios were like “wait a minute, they just started over? We can do that!”
And now we're stuck with it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
I love that so many people go to The Dark Knight Returns as the turning point of comics starting to use more mature and complex storylines yet forget that in actuality Spider-Man had already done that with the the night Gwen Stacey died, the first time a hero could not save their love interest as well as the dubious nature of whether the hero himself was responsible for the death or not. It was ground breaking and really was the turning point for more mature storytelling that still has effects on storylines today and came out 13 years before DKR.
Well yeah, but it wasn't a turning point, was it? For a dozen years, nothing happened, so it wasn't a turning point. TDKR is the one that quickly made "dark" comics inspired movies an opportunity, like Burton's duo.
@@randallflagg3700 I’m not saying it didn’t inspire those things but it wasn’t THE comic where everything changed, it simply reintroduced the idea of telling darker story’s for the late 80/90’s and helped bring about the ultra violence of the 90’s comic books as well as bring in new interest in comics. It’s influence on the industry is without question however TNGSD was the first comic to ever have the hero fail to save their love interest, resulting in both the title and the entire comic book industry in general writing far darker storylines for characters going forward and was in fact the turning point for comics. It made people realise comics were not just kids stories where heroes win and bad guys lose resulting in changes to the Comic Code Authority. If it hadn’t been for TNGSD we may never have gotten books like Dark Phoenix, Death of Superman & TDKR.
@@cactusmalone huh? I said people in general refer to TDKR as the turning point for comics not just Batman stories. Your the one stating (using the royal we) that it only applies to Batman comics and not comics overall. I never said it was complex at all and honestly you have no reference to make claims about my level of intelligence, though your misunderstanding gives rise to questions about yours
I've always imagined Clint Eastwood playing Bruce Wayne in a Batman Beyond feature. It's such a self aware but tongue in cheek choice. It's the type of decision you could see Tarantino making. It's amazing to hear it almost happened. All your videos are really intelligent and interesting. Thanks for the work.
yeah sad the dude lost interest in it. batman beyond would have been cool to see in live action... my fav batsuit. and especially with clint as old bruce.
What is lost in a lot of the Batman movie franchise lore is that Michael Keaton was a comedian before the movies and a lot of ppl didnt get how he fit into a superhero like the batmans.
Nice research! I missed George Miller's Justice League Mortal and the Sandy Collora's Batman Dead End (fan film), which in 2003 proved to Warner that a "realistic" Batman was entirely possible and profitable.
Growing up, I genuinely loved the Schumacher Batman movies. As an adult, they are 100% a guilty pleasure. I normally hate campy batman, but I guess the strong association with my childhood is keeping it close to my heart until I die.
I also grew up with them, having seen both Forever & Batman and Robin in theaters ... my parents didn't take us to the cinema, but they knew how obsessed I was with Batman, constantly watching my collection of Batman:TAS and both Burton movies, so they knew it was a big deal. It was great as a kid, but now... I guess that even if I respect campy 1960 Batman, I'm not personally a huge fan. Then a miracle happened; in 2016 & 2018, DC released *Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders* and *Batman vs. Two-Face* (which would be Adam West last role as Batman, the second movie released posthumously) and I really fell in love with this incarnation. If anyone out there is a huge Batfan but somehow thinks that the campy stuff wouldn't be their cup of tea, I really recommend those movies.
@@jamesinhenley - Probably Adam West & Burt Ward's Batman & Robin. I'm the same generation as him, and back then claiming to love the 1960's live action Batman show was not the done thing in most nerd circles. It only became cool in the last dozen years or so.
The '60s TV show was a letter-perfect rendition of Silver Age Batman, right down to the crazy camera angles. The most faithful adaptation of source material to this day.
Ikr when he said that the producers probably never read a comic because they made the show slapstick irked me a bit. At the time Batman comics where just as silly and slapsticky as the show.
I really hope we stick to Matt Reeves’ Batman for a long while because it really is the perfect storm to setting up a long-running franchise. The first film came out and hit hard and Battison was only in his second year, so there’s literally a near-unlimited amount of potential for future projects and their success.
@@whocaresguy it may be so. But atleast this new batman IS batman. Not some pathetic killer who tries like hell to be funny. Snyder ruined him with his terrible visions
@@whocaresguy You actually cannot criticize anything in a vacuum. Something cannot be sub-par without having standards it failed to meet. That's why I asked, compared to what?
@@whocaresguy no dude. Batman is someone who would never stoop down to the level of scum he helps suppress. To do something that goes against what he upholds with every fiber of his being makes him no better than the shit stains living in the street killing for a couple cents. Affleck wasnt intimidating at all all he did was tell jokes and act like all he is is money, which is true but not true to the character where upholding and limiting crime is the most important thing. The opening of pattinsons batman movie explained and further strengthen that argument to the movie itself obviously other sources have done it better but atleast its not an idiot who would rather be funny and make jokes about money. How tf is that intimidating joking about wonder women being on whose side was stupid asf thay joke about his super power is stupid bruce/batman shouldnt have to justify or explain shit
13:56 I was sold as soon as I heard the Travis Bickle comparison. I checked out the script and honestly it was pretty good. A lot of parallels to Reeves Batman in terms of how unhinged, obsessive, and rage filled Bruce is in this version. Also in terms of how DIY this Batman is, also the more subtle batmobile, and his interactions with Catwoman were pretty similar. Wouldn't be surprised if Reeves read this script.
I know we’ll never see Aronofsky’s year 1 but I thought the script was pretty cool and unique. I hope they make a graphic novel adaptation. I wouldn’t be surprised if Matt Reeves took inspiration from it.
I actually really like the chaotic, fast-cut fight sequences. I feel like that's what someone would experience actually fighting Batman. Just a few seconds of blurred movement and you're on the ground wondering why you feel like a truck just hit you.
@@nithulnath9331maybe I need to rewatch Begins… I recall the whole Nolan series looking like Tae Bo. I loved the Batman’s fight choreography because it really looked like he could fight. And they even implement moves from different fight styles.
@@nithulnath9331ye the 2nd and the 3rd movie makes it seem like Batman is holding in his shit while fighting whereas the 1st one wasn't like that especially with its fast cuts that were done well and i also loved hoe brutal Batman Begins was... batman legit just made a criminal shoot his own foot... and Batman Begins had a very good art style especially Gotham itself and they seemed to completely deviate the art style in its sequel and onward
@@godzillazfriction I believe that the new suit was an issue. Because if we see the fight at the beginning of the dark knight with scarecrow and team, he's wearing the first suit and the fight was much more fast and vicious. The new suit was heavier by 4 kg of I'm right and I think it took away some of the movements because of the armour plates.
I disagree, the pacing was really bad, the twist was kinda dumb, and Hardy’s bane voice was almost as dumb as bale’s batvoice. On the other hand, Begins is definitely underrated
" The producers weren't exactly versed in the comics"? That's exactly the tone the late 50's and early 60's Batman comics had. It's probably one of the most accurate portrayals in live-action. I only forgive you because of that sweet sweet Bob "I used to draw Mickey Mouse" Kane burn.
I find it odd how much The Dark Knight Rises just gets swept under the rug as it was just a passing joke line at the end of this video, but I mean it was still obviously better than all the Batman films that came before specifically Forever and Batman and Robin. Also was ultimately, if anything on par with Batman Begins.
@@Nevad25 no it is not. Rises was a great film and I have no idea why people love to bash it these days. It was a phenomenal ending to the best superhero trilogy of all time.
@@Dagger_323 I never liked it. Barely any Batman in it, most of the action is set during day time instead of night time. Instead of being a Batman story with him fighting the mob and corruption there's this huge escalation and they go nuclear and try to be this "epic" movie with this big ass Lord of the Ring like fight at the end; the good citizens of Gotham vs the evil inmates, this is ridiculous. The pacing of this movie is all over the place, shit is happening waay to fast. One moment the bomb is set to explode in 3 months and 5 minutes later the bomb is set to explode in 48 hours, what ? You want to make me believe that 3 whole months have just gone by ? This movie is a mess. It would have worked well as a TV show, where they could have taken the time to develop the events taking place in the movie without rushing anything.
@@Nevad25 Your inability to follow it is not a reflection on the movie itself. The film is not a mess; no one I know had trouble following the events depicted and it is generally a positively rated film. It is certainly no more of a "mess" than TDK nor does its pacing go by any faster at all...I'd even argue that it is less fast paced than its predecessor. What you're proposing would have been better story-wise of fighting the mob and corruption was already thoroughly explored in both Begins and TDK. TDKR was picking up the pieces after Batman's fall from hero to perceived villain in the eyes of Gotham at the end of the second film. It needed to show his rise back to being the hero, his overcoming of the previous film's emotional trauma, and it needed to conclude his character arc. That's exactly what it did. It tied in beautifully with the other two films, especially Batman Begins, drawing heavily off of themes and flashbacks within that movie. Rehashing basically the same setup as TDK with Batman just fighting the mob and corruption again would have been terribly repetitive and stale. In fact, what you're suggesting would be far more in line with an episodic TV series than a trilogy of films with overarching narratives that also continue onwards and explore new themes. In any case, your statement of putting TDKR on the same level as Batman Begins being an insult to that film is a laughable over-exaggeration. Just because you didn't personally like TDKR doesn't make it an objectively bad movie, because it is not. In fact, TDKR generally has a slightly higher overall rating than Batman Begins, sandwiching it between both the other movies in the trilogy. All three of them are great films, end of story.
@@ItWasAShtShow Clint Eastwood would make a great old man Batman. Could you imagine him as in Dark Knight Returns? Like him in the armored bat suit. I know we got Affleck in the suit but idk I think Eastwood could make a more grittier. Or maybe Josh Brolin maybe?🤔
He could have been a great Batman; certainly a lost opportunity. Truth be told, if there's a story out there about an older Bruce, I still think he'd be perfect for it.
11:51 K was clearly meant to be used as a start and stop but if D-A-R-K was written horizontally then the K-N-I-G-H-T vertically it would've made sense a lil bit maybe.
I genuinely feel like Clooney really should have gotten a chance to play Batman with a decent script. He could have knocked it out of the park I think.
Thank you SSSSOOOO MUCH for giving Bill Finger the credit he so richly deserves. I used to argue to support Bill finger way back in the 90s. Before the internet, but people just said Bob Kane and called me a fool. Good job sir.
Not going to lie I do want to see Nicolas Cage as Superman I feel like it's one of life's greatest mysteries to be unveiled. Like we're aware that it might be terrible but it's Nicholas Cage
This was a really great video. Well put together and perfect editing! Makes me want to have a Batman movie marathon.
Thank you! I love it when someone points out the editing.
It's impossible to get through Batman & Robin.
Yes i had to rewind to make sense of it all
Dragonball Evolution was the worst movie ever made.
80s kid here. Not really, I was like, okay cool.
This proves that Batman's greatest villain has and always been Warner Brothers.
And their sister, Dot.
@@Launchpad05 Also a certain drug addict.
@@Launchpad05 tiny, toony and all a little loony
Your comment made me laugh so hard I spat out my tea 😂
Tell me how?Warner has a better studios than Marvel which is owned by Disney 😝
@@Thespeedrap Now what brought that up? 🤨
The interview clips with Joel Schumacher really help me gain a new respect for him. He OWNS everything, apologizes, takes responsibility, and realizes his mistakes. That's a class act.
100% agree!
Same with George Clooney, I remember the old legend that he'd offer people a refund personally if they approached him on the street saying they watched Batman and Robin in theater.
RIP Joel. A great film-maker and a lovely guy (I've spoken to people who worked for him and they've said that).
I mean to be honest he's actually a really good filmmaker and made some really dark films that NO batman movie has touched yet. 8mm and Falling Down are really good.
That's how it is with the director's commentary for the movie, too
Having grown up with “Batman Begins” I cant imagine experiencing the shift from the 90’s Batman movies to the Nolan series.
Jack Nicolson's joker will always be my favorite
Oh it was wild. It really was a whole new thing. It's almost like the old 90s films didnt exist anymore. Batman was truly reborn
Having gone through the early Batmans … Batman Begins was life-saving.
Michael Keaton was my first batman
@@ryanhare8919You never forget your first Batman
I like how Chris Nolan proved that darkness doesn’t come from violence, Batman doesn’t need to be an R rated violent bloodbath. I respect Nolan for that a lot.
*cough* Snyder *cough* wishes he was that smart *cough* *drinks creatine shake*
But it would’ve been sick if it was!
@@christiandowning6634Snyder's DC movies seem to THINK they're smart, anyway
Joel Schumacher seems like a shockingly genuine guy. The fact that he said that he can’t fingerpoint or blame anyone else for losing control of his project to money grabbers because he was a full grown adult with agency and should have been better is like…crazy big of him, especially because it would be anyone’s first instinct to be extremely defensive with how much hate he gets. And then apologizing for any fans of Batman Forever and saying he didn’t intend to let them down is also pretty big of him.
I’ve never actually heard him speak on it, only ever hearing people criticize him and his work. I was definitely expecting a way bigger douche from hearing all that, so it was nice to see how genuine he was in that interview.
He may be a miserable asshole outside of those clips, I dunno, can’t judge someone from a clip that short. But it was surprising and stood out to me how humble he seemed there.
4:24
My thoughts exactly!
He’s actually a pretty good director too. I love Phonebooth.
@@piperian3962 Falling Down is brilliant too
@@avnub66 Wait he made falling down? Oh shit that’s great
Bruce Timm's animated series is the perfect adaptation, the evidence of this is the fact that Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill have continued to be cast in their iconic roles as Batman/Bruce Wayne and Joker for decades afterwards
Facts
True Story
Mask of the Phantasm is arguably the best Batman movie period
@@joogullae3456 and it was effectively a movie length Batman the animated series episode, like Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero, right down to the exact same voice cast.
I think it’s amazing and a classic but it’s not something that I could say was flawless. The BTAS characterizations were often great but at times they definitely had drawbacks. Catwoman having Batman arrest her in her first adventure was a huge mistake (it made her eternally disadvantaged as she had to deal with the world knowing her secret identity limiting the freedom her character normally has). Nightwing was too brooding and sulky with little in common with the comic Tern Titans leader who enjoyed working with other heroes and whose relationship with Bruce is less strained (and I’m not even touching the love triangle bullshit that Bruce Timm forced in). Harley never had ANY real lasting character growth despite being focused on a lot. Bane was effectively Rupert Thorne’s goon rather than a criminal mastermind in his own right with physical and mental strength. But I will say that the good far outweighs the bad with BTAS and the DCAU.
Clint Eastwood as an old Bruce Wayne in a Cyberpunk, Rated R, Batman Beyond movie written by Paul Dini and directed by Yakim actually sounds fucking sick.
I would kill to see that
They already made a decision on who old batman is going to be. It is going to be Michael Keaton.
@@matthewrenault7839 source?
@@dragons12375 easy by looking it up. He is suppose to play old batman in Flashpoint and has signed up for the batman beyond series on HBO max.
@@matthewrenault7839 it’s the batgirl series, not Batman beyond. That was never announced at all
To be honest, my fav part in begins was the equipment explanations and introductions, especially with Morgan freeman
Me too. I always wondered how they organized all that stuff. Really scratched an itch for me.
Morgan Freeman makes everything great to listen to. The Lego Movie proved it when they made Morgan Freeman read from a phone book.
The only problem I can find with Begins is that they dont make Batman much of a detective story and he comes off as pretty damn smart but not a genius sadly like in the comics but its still a great movie and I loved it as a child.
Morgan freeman said that he never does commercials to sell products, as people tend to believe him. This was one case where I bought everything he sold on screen.
Among other aspects, it makes the entire premise seem plausible. The strength of Nolan's Batman was that it seemed as if it could actually happen, especially Dark Knight.
God, Nick Cage as Scarecrow would've been a sight to see. Jim Carrey and Nic Cage both being Batman villains in the same universe.
That would've been believable insane.
He'd make a good Clayface
I don't think the world could handle them both in the same movie. Their combined forces would make a second big bang
@@iranam1004 Nic's uncle Francis would like a word...
“Created in 1939 by Bill Finger, and only named by a complete fraud”
Instant respect
It's not right to disrespect Bob Kane though. Let's give everyone involved in the creation of Batman and his Rogues Gallery respect.
@@anthonycameronnajera8471 No. He got way too much credit in the first place
Interesting that people don't react the same way with Stan Lee, despite him doing almost exactly the same thing on a much, much larger scale.
@@omegashinra7672 i mean, yeah that’s a totally valid point. Granted, my fairly limited comic knowledge is almost entirely limited to DC, but as far as I’m aware Stan had bit more creativity and integrity than Bob did in his time. Feel free to correct me though, I’m only fairly new to the in depth comic world.
@@anthonycameronnajera8471 no
You have to feel for Joel Shumacher. He did as he was told by Warner Bros and made films that will market to kids and sell merch. But he never seemed to get the respect back from fans until around the time of his death it seems, because other than the Batman films, he was a great director. Falling Down is one of my all-time favourites.
That's what Zack Snyder did for superman as well. He made what Warner asked for. Then Warner threw him under the bus. I see a pattern here.
I'm not so sure if his filmography is all that great TBH. He's made more than just one bad movie, i'd say. With that said, 'Phonebooth' is one of his better ones, and one of my personal favourites due to its unique bizzareness 🤨.
The Lost Boys was his best for me
@@VeerMaharaj Zach Snyder can't write. He is a hack and should stick to directing only. He is as much to blame as WB.
@@VeerMaharaj Zack Snyder didn't make Superman kid friendly at all. He snapped someone's neck in the movie, not to mention that Zack Snyder writing for superman sucks.
I think it's important to mention two films that made Batman Begins even possible. Unbreakable showed that a superhero origin story could be a serious film drama. X-men from 2002 showed that comic movies could still do well at the box office.
This is Blade erasure and I will not stand for it!
X-men is from 2000... X-men 2 from 2003.
Spooder-Man was 2002
X-men tried first, but Spider-man ultimately proved what happens when you do something *right* and just stick to the guns of the source material and just give the people a solid story and good acting. Batman Begins was simply DC's version of this. And for those that mentioned Blade... naw son. Blade movies were bad. REAL bad.
To be honest.. for me, Batman is the James Bond of the DC World.
1. He’s got the gadgets
2. He has a famous high tech car
3. He’s a playboy, he dated a lot of women.. Talia, Lois, Black Canary, Wonder Woman and Catwoman etc.
4. Master of Mixed Martial Arts
5. Numerous of Actors played Batman just like James Bond
Hmmm wow
Only difference is he's not balanced in persona as James Bond always was.
6) And each generation has their version of Batman in their mind.
@@ItWasAShtShow
Yes. Yes.
He's not rich anymore and barely has anything
A core memory of mine was my dad coming home from work early so he could take me to see Batman Begins in the theaters. I was 12/13 at the time and my family had a hardcore "no TV on school nights" policy so it was a big deal for him to do this, but he knew how hyped I was for it to come out. At the scene where Bruce is on the plane with Alfred he leans over to me and goes "I am really digging this movie". To this day it's one of my favorite memories of going to the movies. Years later he and I went to see Justice League and I noticed a father and son (son looked about 12/13) in line as well and the son was wearing a superman t-shirt, I couldn't help but think they were about to create a similar memory for themselves.
This is so damn wholesome
halfway through I thought you were gonna say you were about to get a superhero origin story. Thank goodness that wasn't the case.
:)
too bad they went to see justice league and not a good movie tho
@@ShadowMentor LOL, it was a great story but ended in tragedy..... 😂
Very good video. As one of the co-writers of the unfortunately named “Batman DarKnight”, I appreciate you including it in the history. A few details were not quite accurate, but it got the gist of what happened. I’ll be following your channel.
Whoa! If this is really you, I would love to pick your brain about the whole situation. If not... I've always wanted to be catfished!
Yooooooo
"where's Rachel. " Was my favorite line . Did you help with this? Because if yes Ily 🤟
Ayo? That's crazy
Yeah the kind of glossed over the 70’s with Denny O’Neils ”back-to-the-roots” Batman which was well over 10 years before the overrated Dark Knight Returns, and it was that version that is the definition of Batman. The animated series leaned heavily on that run.
And the whole ”comics were for kids” wasn’t really true even in the 30’s and 40’s - adults read comics and loads of comics were shipped to soldiers overseas. When Marvels glory years was, during the late 60’s, it was a mixture of kids and adults that read comics. Hell adults started reading more in the 70’s when Batman returned to his roots and Marvel had Daredevil on it’s high point.
Dark Knight Returns in turn feels much more cartoony and silly than Batman in his regular runs around that time. Mostly due to the extreme edgelordness of the writing and fundamental misunderstanding of who both Batman and Supes are. It certainly has done more damage than good to the characters portrayals over the years. I’d argue much more than Adam Wests did.
"the darkness would come from conflict not violence" is a great quote!
Something that Snyder didnt get.
Nolan's Batman Trilogy is an all time classic and game changer in the superhero genre.
Game changer in the worst way, now we've got every director and studio still attempting to make "dark" and "realistic" versions of colorful comic book characters so they can capitalize of the sheep like you that have seen a total of 16 movies, calling shit like the dark knight a game changer is beyond laughable
…and the DCU has tried to replicate its dark and edgy tone, and has failed every time since
@gregbors8364 Because they don't understand that tone is not the end all/be all of filmmaking. Different characters require different tone, but what matters most of all is story and character. Nolan's Batman had both in spades.
they make the MCU look like a joke
Masterpiece
I don’t blame Clooney. I think if given the right script he could’ve killed it. Especially as an older more brutal Batman.
This does not convince me that he might have deserved to be Wayne from Batman Beyond
Clooney definitely has the face for Bruce Wayne and looks killer in a Batman suit, which especially makes it a shame that he might never get the chance to wear the cowl again
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 "deserved", huh
It was decent, good movie, a bit of fun.
Batman and Robin is like PS1 Lego Batman
This video shows us just how Warner Bros meddles with the creative process from a position of incompetence. WB should not own these properties.
Fuckin eh right. Jude Law? Joaquin Phoenix (for anyone other than Joker??!!)? Colin Farrell? Josh Hartnett? What’s next Robert Pattinson?
@@dutchvonrichardson Joaquin Phoenix was actually Darren Aronofsky idea; Warner Bros wanted Freddie Prinze Jr. And from what I read, Josh Hartnett was one of Christopher Nolan's first choices, but Hartnett turned him down. Oh wait, that last line makes me realize I may have misunderstood
I don't think WB will ever sell off DC if only for Batman and Superman alone.
well, with the Michael keeton Batman they got really good at cross merchandising and marketing. at the time they seemed invincible, but in retrospect, pride cometh before a big fall.
with discovery hope this is no longer the case
Created by Bill Finger is the absolute best opening to any Batman video ever made. Very well done, but you absolutely had me at respecting the real creator.
Hear me out, okay, but the Batcard actually makes sense. Like what if Batman does actually need to buy something while he's out & about. His normal card would reveal his identity. I guess he could use cash, which is also fitting for him considering that oldddd iconic Justice League episode where he gives superman cash for his birthday 😂
Hmmm I guess you're right; it makes sense since you put it that way
You got me. I stand corrected!
Suddenly I'm thinking how the batcard is made, is batman going to the bank or some financial company own by Wayne provide it. Or maybe Gotham City issued an unlimited card for Batman 🤔
@@bluesound666 i like the last theory 😂
I didn’t think of it this way. I never thought Batman would need to buy anything while he’s out but sometimes there may be a thing or two on the occasion that you need but you don’t have handy.
"Does it come in black" was such a lovely line
I absolutely HATED the idea of Batman Beyond - there's a new Batman, and he's a character we just made up, and it's THE FUTURE! Then the show turned out to be an endlessly re-watchable masterpiece. What more can you say?
I liked it.
@@Tethloach1 So did I!
I hated Batman Beyond when I was a kid and didn't give it a chance. I really need to go back and actually watch it
Lolwat then it might be time for me to watch it. Always rejected it. Love the Animated series from the 90's though.
@@LundinSebastian nah, don't bother. Life is pointless.
14:54 "Warner countered with Freddie Prince Jr.!"
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"Aaronofsky quickly realized he and the studio would never see eye to eye" LMAO 😂😂😂
25:25 A few years before Batman Begins the word "reboot" was actually extremely common, largely because of the horror genre.
Oh yea, I think Texas Chainsaw Massacre was one of the first reboots that made 13 year old me aware of that trend back then, and then it just kept going...and going...and going...and going.
@@Crain1990 I was also around 13 when I realized it. I kept watching The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) trailer saying “why are they calling that Andrew Garfield guy Peter? That’s not supposed to be Peter Parker.” And I watched Hulk (2008) a bunch of times saying “that’s weird that there’s another Bruce Banner. Guess there’s two hulks. Wonder when they’ll meet.”
I remember A nightmare on Elm Street was not well reviewed, with what’s his name hot off the success of watchmen
Boots to Reboots is the finest series on TH-cam, a criminally underappreciated jewel -- if you haven't seen the Andys in action, you're seriously missing out. I am not kidding.
It was actually Charlie's Angels back in 2000 that started this whole trend. That was a huge hit and starred all women. Mainly because they realised they could base a film off a known older property and have it be profitable. Also means less advertising because its an established brand. Beginning of the end!
Even though it wasn't his fault that his version was poorly written. You gotta appreciate Clooney for being open and apologizing for his portrayal of Batman.
Dude I don't think he gave a flying f tbh.
Clooney is still the best Bruce Wayne so far, though. He nailed the charm and charisma and self-assurance that define BW.
@@MickMcGarnackle i like clooney but billionaires most often don't have charm when they aren't self-made. a more wealthy, i-do-what-i-want/cold attitude is something that bale absolutely nails on the head, and the- i can get everything i want except the girl leaves you interested in what happens next
@@brianpark2564 That's what makes Bale such a perfect young Bruce. Clooney is more like Bruce in his 30s, more experienced at reading people and laying on the charm.
Wow. Even Schumacher wanted to do a serious batman movie too with the dark knight returns in mind. That speaks volumes right there.
Doing the research for this video, I came away with a lot of respect for Joel Schumacher.
@@ItWasAShtShow Personally I'm still disappointed Warner Bros can't see it in their hearts to release Batman Forever: The Original Cut. The 170 minute edit sounds darker and more fascinating. Especially the so called "Man-Bat Red Diary scene" where Bruce remembers who he is.
All those scenes are online. No amount of "darker" Bruce stuff would have changed the absolute insanity Carrey and Jones were doing.
@@ItWasAShtShow Nonetheless I still want to see the cut anyway because those scenes actually looked they would significantly improve the film, and there was more that still hasn't been released.
Paramount Pictures just released the 4K version of the 2000 director's cut of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" and that movie's Theatrical version was far worse than Batman Forever was, but the director's cut turned out to be the complete opposite and amazing, and they've even gone back and recreated the effects shots in 4K now. If Paramount can do that after so many decades, there's no reason for Warner Bros not to restore and let us see the Batman Forever Original darker 170 minute cut.
I wish Schmacher had scrapped Batman and Robin movie from existence.We could had seen the DC universe started early.🤔😄
I remember seeing The Nolan Batman in 2005. I had zero knowledge of a reboot at the time and was asked on a date to go see it. I was blown away by it.
yea idk where he got that 'the studio went to efforts to promote it as a reboot' because I watched that entire film thinking it was a prequel. it wasn't until it was out on DVD that i realized oh man, this was a reboot.
It's funny how far audiences have come. From being possibly confused by the concept of a reboot to telling multiverse stories with characters from different continuities interacting.
I think the studios underestimates their audience.
I don't think audience are ever "confused by the concept of reboot". They are just sick of rewatching the same stuffs again and again, and studio executives just reword it as "audiences get confused by reboots" to the higher management to stop them keep pressing the reboot button on every show.
We have the Internet and search engines today, plus with stuff like TH-cam it's never been easier to get an answer to "what is a multiverse" at any level of depth or for any audience
Just getting into it. Batman's popularity didn't continue to soar from the 40s to the 60s. The character had taken a serious hit in the 1950s and was basically on his way out before the 60s TV show revitalized his popularity. I think it's also fair to say that the 60s TV show is really not all that different from the Batman comics of the day. They were all incredibly silly and toothless and the thing the series did was make that funny and fun to watch instead of dumb. Batman fans should be grateful for the Adam West show because without its short-lived phenomenon, Batman comics might well have been canceled and the character forgotten. Of course, it is important to note that Julius Schwartz and Denny O'Neil had to again work to resurrect Batman's popularity and redefine him after the TV show ended.
The 60s show gave him a jump in popularity, the 70s gave us the Dark Knight before Frank Miller did.
Adam west will probably always be the only truly comic accurate Batman. He encompassed everything the character was in the 60's. They even lifted a few episode plots straight from the comics.
I don't understand the hype around the dark knight returns. Sure its a good comic, but I think it's overexposed and given way too much credit. Batman started to darken up again in the 70's in the comics, it was slow but he was definitely returning to being a creature of the night. The dark night returns was by no means the first comic to do so.
@@EronPlaysRocknRoll TDKR is famous because of what it did with the comic form and its intelligent satire. Miller's art was incredibly unique for the time and the book's political commentary was seen as something unusually sharp and unexpected for the time. That Batman is depicted as dark and gritty and violent may be its most prevailing legacy, but that's not the only reason it deservedly became a huge landmark.
You have to consider context before you say something is overrated or overexposed. This is a mainstream comic doing crazy stuff that you usually only saw in indie comics, that's why it became a big deal.
@@EronPlaysRocknRoll You'd have to be completely ignorant of comic books to not realize how revolutionary Dark Knight Returns was. Not just for Batman but Comics as a whole. Miller and Moore and the only reason any comics are counted amongst great literature
The character took a hit in the 50's because the entire comic industry was under attack by Dr. Frederick Wertham, a psychiatrist who wrote a book called the "Seduction of the Innocent" in 1954 , which alleged that comic books were a negative form of popular literature and a serious cause of juvenile delinquency. People took it seriously, so the Batman character and tangential characters became goofier.
Fun fact about the Adam West show: Bill Finger wrote at least one episode. which technically makes it the most canonical of all the adaptions.
I learned that as well in his documentary.
Bob Kane was on the set as an advisor to the 89' Batman. That trumps his assistant.
@@captainjefferies9047 Bob Kane stole all the credit from Bill Finger, so him being on set for a movie means jack shit…
@@christianbjorck816 He can't steel something from Finger that Finger never had. Kane invented Batman before Finger knew he existed.
Bob Kane is the soul creator of Batman and he only worked on one movie.
@@captainjefferies9047 Incorrect. Kane only had a the shadow rip-off.
Bill Finger created the suit, the gadgets, the supporting cast, the origin, the bat-cave, the batmobile, most of Batmans classic rouges and wrote the stories.
He is the creator of Batman. Not the hack Bob Kane.
I’d forgotten that ‘Dark Knight’ was 2008. I took my daughter, then barely 10yrs old, to see it at the cinema.
Her favourite scene? “wanna see a magic trick?” … she loves that bit, bless ‘er.
Who doesn't love That scene! 👀😀
You took your 10 year old to watch dark knight? Come on dawg
That’s a tough girl. Frankly, that scene made me flinch as a kid.
@@artxhema2844 Yeah, I hear ya. But, I remember begging my folks to let me stay up late for ‘Hammer House of Horror’ as an 11yr old (back in ‘75) and grew up on Omen, Evil Dead, Fri 13th, Hallowe’en, etc.
My daughter’s now 25 & worryingly well-adjusted. We’ve enjoyed watching the likes of both High School Musical AND Texas Chain Massacre in the past. (I even took her to see ‘Attack of the Clones’ when she was 4, I think - I’ll have to check. She was thoroughly bored!)
@@artxhema2844 imagine a kid knowing the difference from a movie and real life. Retard level commenting
I love how he gave Bill Finger the credit he deserved.
Damn right!
@@ItWasAShtShow Bill Finger was to Bob Kane and Batman what Steve Dikto was to Stan Lee and Spider-Man.
Bob Kane fingered Bill Fucker.
Who DOESN'T hate Bob Kane at this point?
He also gave [collaborator who only came up with a name] the credit he deserved too!
This makes me appreciate batman begins even more
seeing batman and robin at the age of 9 in theatres was a magical experience. joel, dont apologize for my childhood
That was me for batman forever. Good times
I can watch it now as an adult n somehow be entertained. Obviously i know what kind of movie it is, n the acting is ...not acting. It's almost like a parody now. It's like a rare symbolic sign of the times like a limited edition coin thats rusted but worthless. Only those who picked one up n held onto it can appreciate what it once was.
I saw it twice and got all the toys so he did his job well. I loved it
I feel the same exact way my friend
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. What you said is the equivalent of "I ate 💩 as a kid and now I love eating 💩! Thank you for feeding me 💩 as a kid!"
The animated series was phenomenal. Even watching today, it holds up. All you have to do is watch the introductory sequence it to the mr. Freeze storyline, and you're instantly hooked. Mask of the Phantasm was also an excellent film. Not just an animated film, but an excellent film in general. The animated series is one of the greatest animated achievements of the modern era.
Agreed. Also, some of the Animated movies that followed are excellent, like the two-part The Dark Knight Returns.
Actually, the Bat-card scene is the only part of Batman & Robbin I unapologetically love lol
You mean that one scene where it made the Nostalgia Critic have a postal breakdown?
A lot of the jokes in Batman and Robin did not seem nearly as fun or enjoyable as those in the 1966 series, but that one feels like something Adam West's caped crusader would have said. It's amazing, but also disappointing, that they played it so tongue in cheek yet wouldn't go all out on the camp to match that classic series.
Well I mean nowadays the jokes are really all those movies are good for. You can still have a great time with those movies. But there’s actually people who think they’re genuinely good movies
@@MR.GOAT. yeah, and it’s sad
I love Batman Begins, I remember seeing it in theaters and loving the way Gordon and Batman worked together in the climax
the production of this video was absolutely nuts, deserves more subs
No kidding! Who do we need to talk to about that?!
@@ItWasAShtShow How long did it take to make this video?
@@RickDistance I'm really bad at tracking that, but I'd say around 100 hours (researching to editing).
@@ItWasAShtShow 100 ÷ 24 = 4 days. You sleep 8 hours? 16 hours a day. 6 days. 8 hours a day 12 days. Two weeks, right?
@@RickDistance Two weeks x Full Time Job (carry the laziness) = months +-
Basically, How Nolan saved Batman, WB and also revolutionated modern cinema.
If Batman it's what it's today it's thanks to Nolan. WB should be forever grateful for what he did for them
If by "revolutionized" you mean destroyed it. Then sure.
The dark knight changed the game. Begins was serviceable, but not best of all time. Rises is good for a third sequel, and it was profitable, and memorable, but not as good as dark knight. All the prestige is from that film.
It didn't need to be saved from Batman Returns. That's by far my favorite Batman movie
I don't understand how Nolan can make an awesome film like The Dark Knight, then go and make the shittiest movies of all time (Oppenheimer, Dunkirk, that other shit one).
Especially Oppenheimer.
When I saw this in my recommended, I had no idea that it was gonna be this well edited, written, and voiced. When I saw your subcount, I was flabbergasted. This stuff is amazing and you deserve thousands of subs, you're doing great work! Keep it up!
Wow. Thank you! That means a lot. I'm glad you found us!
bro was flabbergasted💀
It never ceases to amaze me…the incompetence of major studios dropping the ball. It’s like these corporate suits are so out of touch with cinema, art, and the human race.
I love this video so much, you pointed out basically the history of Batman cinema in such a clear and immersive way. I’ve never saw this side of Batman’s journey on the big screen and now I appreciate it so much more. From the pitch of Chris Nolan, filming on Iceland as the ice was just about to melt, the batmobile jump and train crash is actually real like holy moly I’ve never seen this on the bts of Batman begins. This is truly the perfect video about the birth, fall, and rise of Batman. Everyday I find reasons to appreciate the caped crusader even more, and this video adds up to that. Earned yourself a subscriber!
Ah, thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
He missed Batman v Superman and The Batman
I remember being a kid and watching this film feeling so respected as an audience member. It had big words and discussions about justice, corruption, class, fear, and all being delivered very seriously, everything in it felt so much bigger than the movie and the characters. I didn’t understand shit obviously, but it felt really great watching somethig that was always looked down as for kids interpreted with so with such importance, and it wasn’t just me, Nolan and Goyer clearly put a lot of thought in the themes and the story they put on screen. Also I always felt that it portrayed the character as if it was desconstructing an urban myth, with
the comics being a mythologized version of something that really happened and the movie showing what inspired all of it. This is why the batmobile wasn’t an enhanced car with a paint job and some bat ornaments, but a tank that served particular purposes, the bat suit was made of kevlar instead of it being a pijama, the reason behind the bat being chosen as a symbol, etc.
Making the Batmobile an actual tank doesn’t really feel like a Batmobile anymore
Tanky, jumping, barricade-ramming batmobile with rockets is exactly the thing a guy like Batman should use. It's way more usable than just a tuned up car with a rocket engine, when his targets try to lose and outmaneouver him, block his way etc. With just a fast batmobile the movie has to rely more on plot devices like a car transporter that shows up just in time to allow him to jump up the barricade, when Tumbler just smashes it to pieces or jumps over it, because it's purpose is to be able to do such things.
Nolan's Batman trilogy is cinematic masterpiece
Except for the last one
@@hamman_samuel it’s over hated
I liked The Batman(2022) much better than the Nolan films.
It instantly became my favorite batman movie.
@@hamman_samuel Last one was a perfect end to the trilogy.
@@kroneexe The Batman is not a game changer while Nolan's Batman Trilogy is a game changer.
everyone knows the perfect ending to the trilogy was Alfred sitting down ordering his Fernet-Branca and looking around only to stop, and as a smile crosses his lips he nods. Everyone heard him tell Bruce the story so I think it stands to reason that everyone would know what he saw and since he was the emotional backbone of the series it's evident important, he gets the final shot of the film.
I respect Joel Schumacher for apologizing. May he rest in peace.
@M M He actually "owed" the world for his mistakes
Matt Reeves' “The Batman” succeeds in all aspects from direction, story and acting, and it provides a strong foundation for a new DC comics continuity. The film is the best film of the year thus far as well as one of the greatest comic book films ever made.
I agree a hundred percent
Nah, Reeve's was so obsessed with recreating the cinema of his youth, that he completely forgot about batman. Batman is a mopey ass, fucking sadsack in that movie. The true Batman works through his trauma and becomes spiritually superhuman. Reeves batman does not
@@streetlawyer Btman was a mopey ass sad sack in every fucking adaption ever what are you talking about? There is no 'true' Batman, Grant Morrison's adaption of Batman isn't an objective tmeplate every creator has to use, there's such a thing in storytelling called a character arc and that's what Reeves was constructing.
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 it's interesting that you mentioned grant Morrison's batman, cause I was referencing batman comics generally. I agree with everything you said, but i wasn't saying that there is a one true adaptation of batman that every director should follow. I'm saying that Reeve's thinks batman is Kurt Cobain and Travis Bickle, instead of the mythic, spiritually tempered mythic hero that he always was, wether it's Morrison or Scott Snyder, or Denny O'Neil, or bill finger. That's the mistake Reeve's made. He misinterpreted batman as a cynical, damned, depressed, film noir protagonist. Batman is part of the superhero milieu, which means his mind and ethics are superhuman, which means that Reeve's needlessly violent and depressed is at odds with most of batman's history in comics and film. You can be dark without being nihilistic. Reeves missed that
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 btw, batman wasnt mopey and depressed in every iteration. He's more often portrayed as obsessed. But given the fact that he's deriving great spiritual meaning and significance in everything that he does, from exercising and dieting well, to meditating, to philanthropy and above all helping people and making his city a better place, sad Bruce makes less and less sense
Batman origin: parents murdered by a killer, so I became mentally unstable enough to be a hero, and catch murderous killers on my own
Warner Bros: let's market batman to children
I mean the original comic was marketed to kids.
I already like this video because it begins by naming the actual creator of Batman.
The Joel Schumacher films were basically a meta parody of the excesses of Hollywood action films during the 90's.
Everything was overproduced from the costumes to the sets to the characters to the performances. Both films were almost like a 2 hour SNL sketch
Exactly what happened to Love and Thunder
11:16 a WHAT film??
Another awesome video! Thank you for all your hard work to give us such top notch content. Seriously the writing, editing, and research are fantastic. Your podcast is a blast too. Best wishes for both endeavors and can't wait to see what's next!
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@@ItWasAShtShow You should've inserted The Nostalgia Critic's 'BAT CREDIt CARD' tirade.
Christopher Nolan's version in my opinion is one of the greatest, most epic sequences of movies ever, and I don't even watch super hero movies...
I always forget George Clooney played Bruce Wayne. The craziest thing is that he was the closest in theme to a big budget, then contemporary version of the 1960s Batman show.
Man i would love a live a action batman beyond movie , basically if you combine spiderman homecoming and blade runner 2049 you get the basic elements for a beyond movie
I’m really surprised they haven’t done it yet Terry’s Batman is very Spider-man ish and with a cyberpunk setting it would sell like crazy
I honestly don't know why Warner bros hasn't just focused on a batman universe instead of trying to copy Disney & marvel,
FUN FACT: Lee Shapiro, one of the two screenwriters for the unmade DarKnight movie, was my screenwriting teacher at my film school! He told us that several scenes he and Stephen had written actually carried over in Christopher Nolan's "Batman Begins"... So freaking cool!
Interesting that you say that, because of this video Stephen reached out and I interviewed both him and Lee.
Sh*t Show Interview: Batman: DarKnight (Unproduced)
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@@ItWasAShtShow That’s so awesome! I’ll check it out! 😄
My grand uncle used to work as the props guy and as the pyrotechnican in the Batman and Robin movie, and he said it was the best and fun movie he ever worked in. He also said Joel Schumacher was the most kind and understanding director he ever met. But the toys director/producers are kinda strict. As the former props guy, he said they were very specific and careful when it comes to shooting the vehicles. Because most of the vehicles are made up of cheap metal supported by pipes and woods and it can easily get dent when it got hit. Understandably, so they can sell more toys from the movie. It was all fun and games and celebrated after the release of the first week of the movie, until the 2-3 weeks it kinda bomb 😂
Great video man keep up the good work!
0:14 How could that not be considered the best shot of a live action Batman ever? I loved Ben's Batman as well but damn that looks dope af.
The Forever One?
Because it's made by Snyder. If it was made by some other overrated/overhyped director, it would have been considered the best and get talked about by everyone.
@@marcosassari5603 my guy, he is talking about the shot of Keaton. by Burton. 💀
Came across this-here shit-show channel. I love how these mini-docs are so informative and way behind the scenes. Even when the doc is about a film that wasn't in my viewing wheelhouse I'm still captivated and still absorbing massive quantities of profound info.
Finding this channel will allow me to kick my addiction to Sovereign Citizen videos. For that, I am truly grateful.
Welcome! And enjoy!
That Aronofsky adaptation sounds awesome. I guess it's cool that we eventually got a Travis Bickle-inspired Joker played by Joaquin Phoenix. But that's a little more predictable: you expect the Joker to be dark. It's more interesting if you give that story to Batman.
The line from batman begins when hes speaking to alfred about why he dresses like batman is so simplistic straight to the point and badass. no whining or long told explanation. nolan is on another fuckin level
3:50 It was nice of you to mention that Schumacher wanted to make a darker adaptation since he pretty much refuses to pass the buck for all the goofiness in Batman and Robin. Even if any adaptation would have his obvious flair, Batman Forever did show glimpses of how Schumacher would pull off a dark Batman
Too bad Schumacher wanted to make a gritty movie AFTER he drove off Keaton by saying, "Why does everything have to be so dark?" Smh.
Wow… what a bummer we never got the “Hard R” Batman Beyond movie with Clint Eastwood as Bruce… just wow
I would have loved to see a Batman in the style of Sin City.
Would've loved to see a batman constantly saying the N word with a hard R
@@corningt0n That would be the best movie ever
Thank you for giving Bill Finger his dues. So glad to see him get widespread credit for his contributions
The Nolanverse, the Arkham Series games, damn back in the 2000's was a good time.
Really learned a lot about the history of Batman Cinema despite thinking myself a huge fan. However, the ending is really the best part of this video. Thank you for your work.
Dude. I just want to say. I have really enjoyed your vids. It's so freaking refreshing to have a channel that talks about entertainment in a respectful way. Even when critiquing, your really respectful of the material. Props to you and thanks for the amazing videos.
You’re welcome! Love film history. But it seems people have been programmed to believe that YT only offers reviews or essays. This is neither. Gotta retrain some, we make mini-documentaries!
Christopher Nolan has created something legendary.
Even tho Schumacher didn’t make the best batman movies, he is such a nice guy that I still love and miss him so much. May he rest in peace
And, hey, he actually apologized and took responsibility for what he'd done. Most directors would either pretend it never happened, blame someone else, or gloss over it.
Yeah. Just made them a bit too fruity
It so funny how Batman begins reintroduced studios to the idea of a reboot. And after it came out studios were like “wait a minute, they just started over? We can do that!”
And now we're stuck with it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
I love that so many people go to The Dark Knight Returns as the turning point of comics starting to use more mature and complex storylines yet forget that in actuality Spider-Man had already done that with the the night Gwen Stacey died, the first time a hero could not save their love interest as well as the dubious nature of whether the hero himself was responsible for the death or not. It was ground breaking and really was the turning point for more mature storytelling that still has effects on storylines today and came out 13 years before DKR.
Well yeah, but it wasn't a turning point, was it? For a dozen years, nothing happened, so it wasn't a turning point.
TDKR is the one that quickly made "dark" comics inspired movies an opportunity, like Burton's duo.
@@randallflagg3700 I’m not saying it didn’t inspire those things but it wasn’t THE comic where everything changed, it simply reintroduced the idea of telling darker story’s for the late 80/90’s and helped bring about the ultra violence of the 90’s comic books as well as bring in new interest in comics. It’s influence on the industry is without question however TNGSD was the first comic to ever have the hero fail to save their love interest, resulting in both the title and the entire comic book industry in general writing far darker storylines for characters going forward and was in fact the turning point for comics. It made people realise comics were not just kids stories where heroes win and bad guys lose resulting in changes to the Comic Code Authority. If it hadn’t been for TNGSD we may never have gotten books like Dark Phoenix, Death of Superman & TDKR.
@@cactusmalone huh? I said people in general refer to TDKR as the turning point for comics not just Batman stories. Your the one stating (using the royal we) that it only applies to Batman comics and not comics overall. I never said it was complex at all and honestly you have no reference to make claims about my level of intelligence, though your misunderstanding gives rise to questions about yours
I've always imagined Clint Eastwood playing Bruce Wayne in a Batman Beyond feature. It's such a self aware but tongue in cheek choice. It's the type of decision you could see Tarantino making. It's amazing to hear it almost happened. All your videos are really intelligent and interesting. Thanks for the work.
yeah sad the dude lost interest in it. batman beyond would have been cool to see in live action... my fav batsuit.
and especially with clint as old bruce.
What is lost in a lot of the Batman movie franchise lore is that Michael Keaton was a comedian before the movies and a lot of ppl didnt get how he fit into a superhero like the batmans.
So Seinfeld could have been Superman?
It's a pity the Batman Beyond movie didn't work out, I would loved that!
Nice research! I missed George Miller's Justice League Mortal and the Sandy Collora's Batman Dead End (fan film), which in 2003 proved to Warner that a "realistic" Batman was entirely possible and profitable.
Growing up, I genuinely loved the Schumacher Batman movies. As an adult, they are 100% a guilty pleasure. I normally hate campy batman, but I guess the strong association with my childhood is keeping it close to my heart until I die.
As for a lot of us that grew with them…
While not quite as bad that's how I am with the Star Wars Prequels
I also grew up with them, having seen both Forever & Batman and Robin in theaters ... my parents didn't take us to the cinema, but they knew how obsessed I was with Batman, constantly watching my collection of Batman:TAS and both Burton movies, so they knew it was a big deal.
It was great as a kid, but now... I guess that even if I respect campy 1960 Batman, I'm not personally a huge fan.
Then a miracle happened; in 2016 & 2018, DC released *Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders* and *Batman vs. Two-Face* (which would be Adam West last role as Batman, the second movie released posthumously) and I really fell in love with this incarnation.
If anyone out there is a huge Batfan but somehow thinks that the campy stuff wouldn't be their cup of tea, I really recommend those movies.
How do you mean you "normally hate campy batman" if where a child when the Schumacher movie was release what is it you are referring to?
@@jamesinhenley - Probably Adam West & Burt Ward's Batman & Robin.
I'm the same generation as him, and back then claiming to love the 1960's live action Batman show was not the done thing in most nerd circles.
It only became cool in the last dozen years or so.
The '60s TV show was a letter-perfect rendition of Silver Age Batman, right down to the crazy camera angles. The most faithful adaptation of source material to this day.
I think you've got a point there. I mean it aged like milk, but it was perfect with the comics of that time.
@@highcollectoryou gotta be kidding me. The 60s series is still hilarious to this day
Ikr when he said that the producers probably never read a comic because they made the show slapstick irked me a bit. At the time Batman comics where just as silly and slapsticky as the show.
I really hope we stick to Matt Reeves’ Batman for a long while because it really is the perfect storm to setting up a long-running franchise. The first film came out and hit hard and Battison was only in his second year, so there’s literally a near-unlimited amount of potential for future projects and their success.
Better than that shit show batman we had before
@@whocaresguy mediocre compared to what?
@@whocaresguy it may be so. But atleast this new batman IS batman. Not some pathetic killer who tries like hell to be funny. Snyder ruined him with his terrible visions
@@whocaresguy You actually cannot criticize anything in a vacuum. Something cannot be sub-par without having standards it failed to meet. That's why I asked, compared to what?
@@whocaresguy no dude. Batman is someone who would never stoop down to the level of scum he helps suppress. To do something that goes against what he upholds with every fiber of his being makes him no better than the shit stains living in the street killing for a couple cents. Affleck wasnt intimidating at all all he did was tell jokes and act like all he is is money, which is true but not true to the character where upholding and limiting crime is the most important thing. The opening of pattinsons batman movie explained and further strengthen that argument to the movie itself obviously other sources have done it better but atleast its not an idiot who would rather be funny and make jokes about money. How tf is that intimidating joking about wonder women being on whose side was stupid asf thay joke about his super power is stupid bruce/batman shouldnt have to justify or explain shit
13:56 I was sold as soon as I heard the Travis Bickle comparison. I checked out the script and honestly it was pretty good. A lot of parallels to Reeves Batman in terms of how unhinged, obsessive, and rage filled Bruce is in this version. Also in terms of how DIY this Batman is, also the more subtle batmobile, and his interactions with Catwoman were pretty similar. Wouldn't be surprised if Reeves read this script.
I know we’ll never see Aronofsky’s year 1 but I thought the script was pretty cool and unique. I hope they make a graphic novel adaptation. I wouldn’t be surprised if Matt Reeves took inspiration from it.
I actually really like the chaotic, fast-cut fight sequences. I feel like that's what someone would experience actually fighting Batman. Just a few seconds of blurred movement and you're on the ground wondering why you feel like a truck just hit you.
I agree with you. But there's one more thing. Fight choreography was much better in Batman Begins, if you watch the fight scenes in slow-motion.
@@nithulnath9331maybe I need to rewatch Begins… I recall the whole Nolan series looking like Tae Bo.
I loved the Batman’s fight choreography because it really looked like he could fight. And they even implement moves from different fight styles.
@@heregoesfranklin5962 I really wished that the fight scenes on the sequels were also the same way
@@nithulnath9331ye the 2nd and the 3rd movie makes it seem like Batman is holding in his shit while fighting whereas the 1st one wasn't like that especially with its fast cuts that were done well and i also loved hoe brutal Batman Begins was... batman legit just made a criminal shoot his own foot... and Batman Begins had a very good art style especially Gotham itself and they seemed to completely deviate the art style in its sequel and onward
@@godzillazfriction I believe that the new suit was an issue. Because if we see the fight at the beginning of the dark knight with scarecrow and team, he's wearing the first suit and the fight was much more fast and vicious. The new suit was heavier by 4 kg of I'm right and I think it took away some of the movements because of the armour plates.
It felt like a legit documentary style video of those big TH-cam channels and then I saw the subscribers count.
Made me to support and subscribe.
Thank you!
You put a ton of time and effort into making this. Really awesome stuff.
Thank you for noticing!
The Dark Knight Rises is criminally underrated.
It's so good, just coz people Dont think it's as good as dark Knight, doesn't mean it's not fantastic
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I disagree, the pacing was really bad, the twist was kinda dumb, and Hardy’s bane voice was almost as dumb as bale’s batvoice. On the other hand, Begins is definitely underrated
@Hope Fliers zoe kravitz best catwoman change my mind
Overrated. Every one praises that turd.
Pi is an amazing film. I believe he made “Requiem for a dream” too. Super underrated artist!
Darren Aronofsky isn't an underrated artist at all. He's one of the most prestigious directors and writers in all of cinema.
" The producers weren't exactly versed in the comics"? That's exactly the tone the late 50's and early 60's Batman comics had. It's probably one of the most accurate portrayals in live-action. I only forgive you because of that sweet sweet Bob "I used to draw Mickey Mouse" Kane burn.
I find it odd how much The Dark Knight Rises just gets swept under the rug as it was just a passing joke line at the end of this video, but I mean it was still obviously better than all the Batman films that came before specifically Forever and Batman and Robin. Also was ultimately, if anything on par with Batman Begins.
I don’t know about that. But I think it’s ambitious, and Catwoman is really great in every scene.
Batman Begins is my favorite, I love it more than The Dark Knight and putting "Rises" on the same level of Begins is actually insulting.
@@Nevad25 no it is not. Rises was a great film and I have no idea why people love to bash it these days. It was a phenomenal ending to the best superhero trilogy of all time.
@@Dagger_323 I never liked it. Barely any Batman in it, most of the action is set during day time instead of night time.
Instead of being a Batman story with him fighting the mob and corruption there's this huge escalation and they go nuclear and try to be this "epic" movie with this big ass Lord of the Ring like fight at the end; the good citizens of Gotham vs the evil inmates, this is ridiculous. The pacing of this movie is all over the place, shit is happening waay to fast. One moment the bomb is set to explode in 3 months and 5 minutes later the bomb is set to explode in 48 hours, what ? You want to make me believe that 3 whole months have just gone by ? This movie is a mess.
It would have worked well as a TV show, where they could have taken the time to develop the events taking place in the movie without rushing anything.
@@Nevad25 Your inability to follow it is not a reflection on the movie itself. The film is not a mess; no one I know had trouble following the events depicted and it is generally a positively rated film. It is certainly no more of a "mess" than TDK nor does its pacing go by any faster at all...I'd even argue that it is less fast paced than its predecessor.
What you're proposing would have been better story-wise of fighting the mob and corruption was already thoroughly explored in both Begins and TDK. TDKR was picking up the pieces after Batman's fall from hero to perceived villain in the eyes of Gotham at the end of the second film. It needed to show his rise back to being the hero, his overcoming of the previous film's emotional trauma, and it needed to conclude his character arc. That's exactly what it did. It tied in beautifully with the other two films, especially Batman Begins, drawing heavily off of themes and flashbacks within that movie.
Rehashing basically the same setup as TDK with Batman just fighting the mob and corruption again would have been terribly repetitive and stale. In fact, what you're suggesting would be far more in line with an episodic TV series than a trilogy of films with overarching narratives that also continue onwards and explore new themes. In any case, your statement of putting TDKR on the same level as Batman Begins being an insult to that film is a laughable over-exaggeration. Just because you didn't personally like TDKR doesn't make it an objectively bad movie, because it is not. In fact, TDKR generally has a slightly higher overall rating than Batman Begins, sandwiching it between both the other movies in the trilogy. All three of them are great films, end of story.
Honestly would love to see Clooney as Batman one more time. The Batman Beyond movie idea sounded pretty cool.
Since he was a good Bruce Wayne, but not a great Batman, maybe Clooney should be Old Bruce in a Batman Beyond movie?!
@@ItWasAShtShow Clint Eastwood would make a great old man Batman. Could you imagine him as in Dark Knight Returns? Like him in the armored bat suit. I know we got Affleck in the suit but idk I think Eastwood could make a more grittier. Or maybe Josh Brolin maybe?🤔
I like the idea of Brolin!
He could have been a great Batman; certainly a lost opportunity. Truth be told, if there's a story out there about an older Bruce, I still think he'd be perfect for it.
Clooney can definitely play a suave character. Just look at him Ocean's series.
He's perfect for Batman beyond.
11:51 K was clearly meant to be used as a start and stop but if D-A-R-K was written horizontally then the K-N-I-G-H-T vertically it would've made sense a lil bit maybe.
Dark Knight Trilogy rocked! So did the Tim Burton and Animated Series.
So much information has been put into this video. Amazing job brother!
I genuinely feel like Clooney really should have gotten a chance to play Batman with a decent script. He could have knocked it out of the park I think.
Thank you SSSSOOOO MUCH for giving Bill Finger the credit he so richly deserves. I used to argue to support Bill finger way back in the 90s. Before the internet, but people just said Bob Kane and called me a fool. Good job sir.
Val Kilmer is sooooo underrated as batman even if the movie is not a great film
I hope we get a Batman Beyond movie one day. That show was great.
Not going to lie I do want to see Nicolas Cage as Superman I feel like it's one of life's greatest mysteries to be unveiled. Like we're aware that it might be terrible but it's Nicholas Cage
Wdym terrible, he has the unbearable weight of immense talent.
"the darkness would come from conflict, not violence" if only snyder knew this.
So glad they did this reboot. Beacuse, imo, the Dark Knight trilogy are some of the best movies ever!