I watch your videos almost every day during my lunch break (desk job). I always pick up new things and my appreciation for fine woodworking has skyrocketed. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I have both the Pica pencils and they are more than great after 2 years of everyday use in site joinery. Their sheath can be attached on you to keep them protected but in the same time readily available. Great German product.
You did a great video. I like that you showed some products that I have not seen before. I like the Battery powered USB chargers as they are great for power outages to use the Laptop or other devices as I have the Ryobi version it also has a power outlet along with USB charging.
Jessem sure makes quality stuff. But UJK's Parf Guide system is a must for anyone wanting to make their own MFT like tables. The accuracy is mind bogglingly good and with new addons, you can make any angle cuts with dead nuts accuracy.
its a very tedious process (if you have a large work area to cover) but incredibly satisfying when it all comes together and is accurate! The key is don't rush it.
@@MWAWoodworks Yeah, it's a perfect time to zone out and listen to a podcast since you really can't mess it up. And that chamfer/boring tool from UJK is a game changer.
I am in the early stages of fully outfitting my shop, so good suggestions on tools are very welcome. As an engineer, I have always preferred the metric system since it makes the math soooo much easier, which means that I make far more pieces cut to the right dimensions that fit in where they are supposed to go in my project and far fewer pieces that end up in scap bucket/shelf waiting for a second chance at life. So the Jessem small metric is now on my X-mas wish list. However, as you said a good set of aluminum setup blocks would still be very handy. The trouble is that I have not be able to find a set of blocks that are like the ones that you showed at 18 seconds in this video that are in metric. Does anybody know where I could get a set in metric?
I have the JessEm guides in both large and small metric sizes. When setting them both to the same measurement, they are about .5mm off from each other. Not a big deal for some things, but if i'm making a critical cut, I tend to rely on my setup blocks.
There's actually a procedure in the manual to reset the gauge if it got out of whack in the shipping process. It's pretty easy (four nuts). I checked all mine (I have 3) and they all match at the blade. I checked the metric against a ruler because I only have one of those.
@@MWAWoodworks Just to follow-up, after reading your comment, I found the manual on the JessEm website, ran out to the garage, and did the quick calibration procedure. My guides are now both spot on. Thanks again for the tip. I appreciate you!
If you fish the clamp from the bottom of the MFT, up to the top, the handle will be out of the way. This gets the clamp out of the way. It's great for router jigs.
@@MWAWoodworks I was thinking about building mine into a cabinet, but by the time I left enough space to get under it, there was little point in spending the time on it.
I have heard, but not tried yet, that those rubber eraser sticks can be used to clean diamond lapping plates. I would guess they would work on CBN grinding wheels. For your girls, I hope you are familiar with Studio Ghibli. Wonderful films, Anime, but hand drawn videos, and every young woman/girl should watch them.
Hey, I'm an old guy. The thought of learning a new technology such as 3D printing just turns me off. As a matter of fact I almost skipped your 3D printing segment. I'm glad I didn't. I will look into this machine you showed. Thx.
Personally, I head to the shop to get away from technology. No TV. No computer. And absolutely no cell phone. Apparently Bamboo is paying well to promote this product though. As it seems a bunch of my goto woodworking channels have been annoyingly pushing it.
They make the best 3D printers right now. I'm just glad this year they finally realized to market better and work with creators! I'm loving adding 3D printing to my business model.
In the fall, go to your local Dollar General and pick up cheapo "flip flops".....the type of foam they're made of cleans all your sandpaper just like those rubber sticks...
Ya I've seen that before! That's a great option for the dog holes I can't easily reach from below. But they typically require the caps be fairly loose in the holes to operate and then you suck half of them into the dust collector when you clean 😂😂😂
You could print those dog hole caps, too. You'll be torn between DIY or purchasing those little things now that you're learning CAD. It's the same thing I'm sure you know with woodworking. 😂
Great video and as normal a great channel, love this type of video as well. The 3d printing looks good i will take a look at the website and see how much they cost. TC. Barry (UK)
I am really interested in the 3D printing tool. That looks really easy to use. I went to the website and was a bit confused as to what might be best for me. Do you know if there is a video explaining the different versions for the novice? lol
I love the stock glue bottles as well...but I found the milescraft glue bottle...it can apply glue from any angle and it's ready to go at all times just by the way it's made...glue bot makes a similar glue bottle.
yeah I ended up throwing all my glue bots away over the years. They don't work so well after several refills and I got tired of the lid always getting cemented in place LOL
I have zero experience with power tools but wouldnt a "harder" saw gauge end up dulling the saw blade? Not sure if this matters much in grand scheme of things but just wondering
Instead of that magic eraser, use the bottom of a rubber shoe or boot. 🤷🏻♂️ As for 3D printing, it’s the only task I haven’t picked up yet but plan to. Learning Vectric and CNC wasn’t so bad. But 3D printing intimidates me. Maybe you could branch out and help people get into that.
Well I can start by telling you 3D printing is waaaaay easier than CNC. The learning curve and range of possible things that could go wrong are far less. Even if you want to design your own parts in CAD, the actual printing process is press-and-go.
@ Wait! So dumb question. The stuff I design in Aspire can be exported as a STL file and it’ll print it??? BTW, why did you list the dog hole covers when you could have just 3D printed them??? 🤣
Yes anything in 3 dimensions you export as an STL can be 3D printed. I would print the dog hole caps if they weren't so cheap to buy. I will print replacements however if I lose/damage some.
@@MWAWoodworksI printed 200 and returned the ones to tso. They are heads and tails better than the ujk. I put number 10 washers in each of them and easily remove them with a magnet. I also made several colors so I know where to put things back after using the table for other things.
I've seen that done before. The issue I have is that they get sucked into my dust collector when I vacuum up the table. The UJK ones fit snugly in the holes and don't go on trips to the dust bin 😂
Just last week I got the JessEm stainless doweling jig. I'm sold on their quality but is the stainless square a one piece design as Woodpeckers is.. asking only about the stainless core or the square, not the cheeks on the base.
It's not something they talk about in their description of the product and it's impossible to tell looking at it how much the steel extends into the base of the square 🤷 based solely on the positioning of the screws on the side it would appear the steel blade extends at least somewhat into an L shape
@@MWAWoodworks If I have to ask, it's because it's not clear. I've clicked Videos on your channel, and I don't see anything with a thumbnail of the project, or anything that sounds like the project. Would you mind linking it?
Okay, beer math challenge: how much would it cost to clone those UJK doghole covers with your fancy-schmancy Bambu? I bet instead of 30¢ each ($12/40 items) it'd be something more like 3¢ each.
I just did this and they are awesome, perfectly flat and I put a number 10 washer in each so I can remove them with a magnet. Paused the print at the right time and dropped in the washer then resumed the print. I also made a few a different color to put in the holes I use regularly so I’m not trying to figure out where my normally used stuff goes.
I made 200 for about 4 bucks. I sent back the ujk ones back to tso just yesterday, $79 (with shipping) for 5 packs and they were incredibly tight in the holes.
that's the reason I like the UJK caps. They don't get sucked out of the holes when I vacuum the table! Adding washers to be able to use a magnet is convenient until you have to dig 10 of them out of your dust collection barrel 😂
Dust collection, your not kidding. I reached the point, where I don't even try. Cut it, grab the shop vac hose and suck it up. 4 inch is never 4 inch, nor is 3 3, or 2 2 . Nothing ever matches.
@MWAWoodworks Sorry. I'm not one for a descriptive comment 99% of the time. But I did watch it, watch some commercials since you're an actual YT creator, clicked the "Like" button and left a comment (✅) to help the algorithms.
You taught yourself "basic CAD design" did you? But couldn't be bothered to learn that the D in CAD is "Design." Good luck with your "new discoveries." I'm sure your 300K fans are dying to know what's next. Maybe a "SIM card"? "SCUBA gear"? Please make up somethig clever so you can be the next Trum apointee.
Ohhhhhhh... I see whats going on here. This features paid advertising. Right in the middle. And its the longest little section... But the video indicates its things you basically had to have or couldnt live without. Smooth, but kinda gross...
Think twice before supporting Bambu Labs. They take open source, community developed project and patented them for profit. There are many other great 3d printer companies on the market that deserve your support instead.
Bambu is the leader right now and I love their product. I waited for the chance to get to work specifically with them. I'm glad they finally realized our niche is the perfect market for them.
@@MWAWoodworks Bambu Labs took other peoples work away from them and locked it behind patents. They aren't leading anything. They didn't come up with the ideas. They are unethical at best, but in reality they are more towards greedy crooks. No one steals people's work and locks it behind patents to help the community. That is *not* what leaders do and I hope you realize that soon.
I will never buy a woodpeckers product I think they are the worst managed company ever. But I love JessEm and I hope they continue to make more of those squares at different sizes and put woodpeckers out of business.
@@BuckRogers2491 they are always out of stock of common items with really long waiting periods, talking months. But that's fine because it gave me the chance to find cheaper alternatives and now I have no reason to buy anything from woodpecker. it was just real frustrating every time I wanted to get something from them.
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The height gauges are not on Amazon!
That's right. They are on the TSO website!
I watch your videos almost every day during my lunch break (desk job). I always pick up new things and my appreciation for fine woodworking has skyrocketed. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I have both the Pica pencils and they are more than great after 2 years of everyday use in site joinery. Their sheath can be attached on you to keep them protected but in the same time readily available. Great German product.
I agree. Great for on the go work!
Another old guy here. I really had no idea 3-D printing. Would it be so easy. Really enjoy your content.
I don't think they could make it any easier. Especially if you don't know how to design your own things.
I'm in love with my Pica pencil. The 0.9 mm lead is just right for "jack of all trades". The eraser is super-effective. No smudges.
I was so happy to find it!
DeWalt USB Battery Charger link goes to Pica Fine FYI. Great list of amazing tools!
Oh crap! Thanks for the heads up!
Good info!! Thanks, man! I'm retired after 22 years as a Union Carpenter in Chicago and I could have used some of these at work(and I'll use 'em now)
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Pica makes a metal scribe insert, I would highly recommend that if you like the rest of their products.
Thanks I'll check it out!
That is insane to buy a pencil for 24 bucks when you can buy 24 bic pencils 0.9 for 6 bucks
Definitely picking up that 0.9 Pica. Thanks for bring it to mind!
You did a great video. I like that you showed some products that I have not seen before. I like the Battery powered USB chargers as they are great for power outages to use the Laptop or other devices as I have the Ryobi version it also has a power outlet along with USB charging.
Its harder than you think to pull off these days! Thanks for watching!
Jessem sure makes quality stuff. But UJK's Parf Guide system is a must for anyone wanting to make their own MFT like tables. The accuracy is mind bogglingly good and with new addons, you can make any angle cuts with dead nuts accuracy.
I agree! I used the parf guide system when I made my mobile workbench. It works very well!
Indeed. I was amazed at how accurate my MFT ended up being with the parf guide. That thing is worth every penny.
I was intimidated by it for almost two years and I finally used it a couple months ago and it’s unbelievably accurate and easy to
its a very tedious process (if you have a large work area to cover) but incredibly satisfying when it all comes together and is accurate! The key is don't rush it.
@@MWAWoodworks Yeah, it's a perfect time to zone out and listen to a podcast since you really can't mess it up. And that chamfer/boring tool from UJK is a game changer.
Some nice things to suggest for Christmas.
Can I ask where you got the clear plastic shelf bins that are against the wall over you right shoulder, at the beginning of the video?
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I am in the early stages of fully outfitting my shop, so good suggestions on tools are very welcome. As an engineer, I have always preferred the metric system since it makes the math soooo much easier, which means that I make far more pieces cut to the right dimensions that fit in where they are supposed to go in my project and far fewer pieces that end up in scap bucket/shelf waiting for a second chance at life. So the Jessem small metric is now on my X-mas wish list. However, as you said a good set of aluminum setup blocks would still be very handy. The trouble is that I have not be able to find a set of blocks that are like the ones that you showed at 18 seconds in this video that are in metric. Does anybody know where I could get a set in metric?
I have the JessEm guides in both large and small metric sizes. When setting them both to the same measurement, they are about .5mm off from each other. Not a big deal for some things, but if i'm making a critical cut, I tend to rely on my setup blocks.
There's actually a procedure in the manual to reset the gauge if it got out of whack in the shipping process. It's pretty easy (four nuts). I checked all mine (I have 3) and they all match at the blade. I checked the metric against a ruler because I only have one of those.
@@MWAWoodworks Thank you! I didn't know they could be calibrated and will definitely check this. Cheers!
@@MWAWoodworks Just to follow-up, after reading your comment, I found the manual on the JessEm website, ran out to the garage, and did the quick calibration procedure. My guides are now both spot on. Thanks again for the tip. I appreciate you!
Hey that's awesome! Glad to help!
If you fish the clamp from the bottom of the MFT, up to the top, the handle will be out of the way. This gets the clamp out of the way. It's great for router jigs.
That's a good idea if you're MFT is on its legs but mine sit flat on a bench. No fishing for me 😭
@@MWAWoodworks I was thinking about building mine into a cabinet, but by the time I left enough space to get under it, there was little point in spending the time on it.
I have heard, but not tried yet, that those rubber eraser sticks can be used to clean diamond lapping plates. I would guess they would work on CBN grinding wheels.
For your girls, I hope you are familiar with Studio Ghibli. Wonderful films, Anime, but hand drawn videos, and every young woman/girl should watch them.
Hey, I'm an old guy. The thought of learning a new technology such as 3D printing just turns me off. As a matter of fact I almost skipped your 3D printing segment. I'm glad I didn't. I will look into this machine you showed. Thx.
I appreciate your willingness to check it out!
Personally, I head to the shop to get away from technology. No TV. No computer. And absolutely no cell phone. Apparently Bamboo is paying well to promote this product though. As it seems a bunch of my goto woodworking channels have been annoyingly pushing it.
I set mine up in my office! Built a cabinet for it too 😁
@@cityfiedredneck6841they seem to have infected so many hobbies I’m into. I love 3d printing but Bambu is ruining it for me.
They make the best 3D printers right now. I'm just glad this year they finally realized to market better and work with creators! I'm loving adding 3D printing to my business model.
In the fall, go to your local Dollar General and pick up cheapo "flip flops".....the type of foam they're made of cleans all your sandpaper just like those rubber sticks...
With my luck the kids would take them to the pool and I'd never see them again 😂
@MWAWoodworks Ha!..... I snip off the straps so the grands can't wear them,🤣
Dog holes cups - now you can 3d print it 😊
You can! But the darn things are so cheap to buy! I can always print replacements when I damage them which is nice.
@@MWAWoodworksyou also can glue small washer at the bottom, so you can pull it out with a magnet. It is much faster
Ya I've seen that before! That's a great option for the dog holes I can't easily reach from below. But they typically require the caps be fairly loose in the holes to operate and then you suck half of them into the dust collector when you clean 😂😂😂
LOL . I did it like millions times 😂
Great video. Maybe you could do a tutorial on the 3D printer. Thanks
You could print those dog hole caps, too. You'll be torn between DIY or purchasing those little things now that you're learning CAD. It's the same thing I'm sure you know with woodworking. 😂
Great video and as normal a great channel, love this type of video as well.
The 3d printing looks good i will take a look at the website and see how much they cost. TC.
Barry (UK)
You have a 3D printer, just print your own dog hole caps, dozens of options. thanks for the tips, lots of good tools in there.
I could have printed them but the ones I got were so cheap and fit well in the dog holes (ie they don't get pulled out by my vacuum)
Love your channel a lot! Awesome video. Do you think those locking bench dogs are stout and strong enough to hold a large moxon vise to my workbench?
Yeah I would think so. Especially if you went with 4 of them. Even with 2 I think you'd be good
I am really interested in the 3D printing tool. That looks really easy to use. I went to the website and was a bit confused as to what might be best for me. Do you know if there is a video explaining the different versions for the novice? lol
I just watched this the other day. I don't have a 3D printer, but this video made me want to get one ASAP. th-cam.com/video/GVDhAKxNcJA/w-d-xo.html
I do not know for sure, but it's worth searching TH-cam to see if there's an explainer on different Bambu printer models!
I love the stock glue bottles as well...but I found the milescraft glue bottle...it can apply glue from any angle and it's ready to go at all times just by the way it's made...glue bot makes a similar glue bottle.
yeah I ended up throwing all my glue bots away over the years. They don't work so well after several refills and I got tired of the lid always getting cemented in place LOL
Magic stick. Wow 😮
I don’t have a use for the upside down glue bottle holder. I use a glue-bot. That’s a cheap must have item
All my glubots ended up in the trash over the years. Now I just use the bottle they came in or a 50 cent condiment bottle
I have zero experience with power tools but wouldnt a "harder" saw gauge end up dulling the saw blade? Not sure if this matters much in grand scheme of things but just wondering
The carbide teeth of the blade is harder than the steel of the gauge
Instead of that magic eraser, use the bottom of a rubber shoe or boot. 🤷🏻♂️ As for 3D printing, it’s the only task I haven’t picked up yet but plan to. Learning Vectric and CNC wasn’t so bad. But 3D printing intimidates me. Maybe you could branch out and help people get into that.
Well I can start by telling you 3D printing is waaaaay easier than CNC. The learning curve and range of possible things that could go wrong are far less. Even if you want to design your own parts in CAD, the actual printing process is press-and-go.
@ Wait! So dumb question. The stuff I design in Aspire can be exported as a STL file and it’ll print it??? BTW, why did you list the dog hole covers when you could have just 3D printed them??? 🤣
Yes anything in 3 dimensions you export as an STL can be 3D printed. I would print the dog hole caps if they weren't so cheap to buy. I will print replacements however if I lose/damage some.
@@MWAWoodworksI printed 200 and returned the ones to tso. They are heads and tails better than the ujk. I put number 10 washers in each of them and easily remove them with a magnet. I also made several colors so I know where to put things back after using the table for other things.
I've seen that done before. The issue I have is that they get sucked into my dust collector when I vacuum up the table. The UJK ones fit snugly in the holes and don't go on trips to the dust bin 😂
Just last week I got the JessEm stainless doweling jig. I'm sold on their quality but is the stainless square a one piece design as Woodpeckers is.. asking only about the stainless core or the square, not the cheeks on the base.
It's not something they talk about in their description of the product and it's impossible to tell looking at it how much the steel extends into the base of the square 🤷 based solely on the positioning of the screws on the side it would appear the steel blade extends at least somewhat into an L shape
@@MWAWoodworks That's what it looks like to me too. Woodpeckers at least, shows us how it's made. Thanks!
Hello, are your plans metric?
Most are not
Just found your channel, where do I find your build video for the cordless dewalt router station?
its just a few videos back
@@MWAWoodworks If I have to ask, it's because it's not clear. I've clicked Videos on your channel, and I don't see anything with a thumbnail of the project, or anything that sounds like the project. Would you mind linking it?
18:12 WHAT?! Take my money! What? No, I don’t currently own any Festool products, but they’ll be getting my money soon
ya its a pretty convenient device!
If you need to set your table saw blade higher than the smaller guage is tall enough for, just set it on a block of known thickness and do the math!
Well that's one way to do it! 😂💯
Bravo!
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Does the metric height adjustment work in 2mm steps or 1mm steps?
1mm detents, although the printed scale is every 2mm
@MWAWoodworks thank you
Okay, beer math challenge: how much would it cost to clone those UJK doghole covers with your fancy-schmancy Bambu? I bet instead of 30¢ each ($12/40 items) it'd be something more like 3¢ each.
I just did this and they are awesome, perfectly flat and I put a number 10 washer in each so I can remove them with a magnet. Paused the print at the right time and dropped in the washer then resumed the print. I also made a few a different color to put in the holes I use regularly so I’m not trying to figure out where my normally used stuff goes.
I made 200 for about 4 bucks. I sent back the ujk ones back to tso just yesterday, $79 (with shipping) for 5 packs and they were incredibly tight in the holes.
that's the reason I like the UJK caps. They don't get sucked out of the holes when I vacuum the table! Adding washers to be able to use a magnet is convenient until you have to dig 10 of them out of your dust collection barrel 😂
My wife is gonna be so mad I watched this video, Im fixing to make a big dent in our bank account.
I still use a ruler.
I have one as well but use it more when setting the fence distance more than a couple inches away.
Dust collection, your not kidding. I reached the point, where I don't even try. Cut it, grab the shop vac hose and suck it up. 4 inch is never 4 inch, nor is 3 3, or 2 2 . Nothing ever matches.
I thought that you said dirt cheap.......
Probably cheaper than dirt, spending on how much dirt you buy. 😜
3D printer…hole plugs…
Why when he said that about metric he sounded like he was cheating on America 😅
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Sorry. I'm not one for a descriptive comment 99% of the time.
But I did watch it, watch some commercials since you're an actual YT creator, clicked the "Like" button and left a comment (✅) to help the algorithms.
Thank you!
You taught yourself "basic CAD design" did you? But couldn't be bothered to learn that the D in CAD is "Design." Good luck with your "new discoveries." I'm sure your 300K fans are dying to know what's next. Maybe a "SIM card"? "SCUBA gear"? Please make up somethig clever so you can be the next Trum apointee.
Ah you can always tell when my videos reach out beyond my normal audience. The "special" commentors arrive 😂😂
Ohhhhhhh... I see whats going on here. This features paid advertising. Right in the middle. And its the longest little section... But the video indicates its things you basically had to have or couldnt live without. Smooth, but kinda gross...
but also 100% true. I have 3 Bambu printers. But I appreciate you assuming positive intent instead of being cynical 😉.
These are the most ridiculous and overpriced "tools" on the market. $50 to set a blade height!, give me a break.
thanks for watching!
Think twice before supporting Bambu Labs. They take open source, community developed project and patented them for profit.
There are many other great 3d printer companies on the market that deserve your support instead.
Bambu is the leader right now and I love their product. I waited for the chance to get to work specifically with them. I'm glad they finally realized our niche is the perfect market for them.
I agree with avoiding Bambu. The company sucks and profits off open source ideas.
@@MWAWoodworks Bambu Labs took other peoples work away from them and locked it behind patents. They aren't leading anything. They didn't come up with the ideas. They are unethical at best, but in reality they are more towards greedy crooks. No one steals people's work and locks it behind patents to help the community.
That is *not* what leaders do and I hope you realize that soon.
Thank you for your input, my friend
@@MWAWoodworks "If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants." Isaac Newton.
I will never buy a woodpeckers product I think they are the worst managed company ever. But I love JessEm and I hope they continue to make more of those squares at different sizes and put woodpeckers out of business.
What's up with the management of Woodpeckers?
@@BuckRogers2491 they are always out of stock of common items with really long waiting periods, talking months. But that's fine because it gave me the chance to find cheaper alternatives and now I have no reason to buy anything from woodpecker. it was just real frustrating every time I wanted to get something from them.