How to paint Be'lakor, the Dark Master | Warhammer 40,000 | Duncan Rhodes

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  • @philiphamel8504
    @philiphamel8504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Be'lakor is such a fantastic sculpt. I'm so excited to see the process

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Awesome. It's a great sculpt and fun to paint :-)

  • @Nutter666
    @Nutter666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +332

    "But what we do recommend is: If you have a friend who collects space marines, paint it as their chapter had me chuckling to myself" 😂

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      lol

    • @pythonking16.59
      @pythonking16.59 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I paint all my space marine corpses as Space Wolves for that very reason lol

    • @king_aeron
      @king_aeron 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      This comes falling apart immediately when the friend collects Lamenters lol.

    • @nukem8128
      @nukem8128 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@king_aeron omega oof, lol!

    • @SkyPhoenix_3991
      @SkyPhoenix_3991 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@king_aeron savage...i like it!

  • @watts18269
    @watts18269 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Between Duncan’s painting tutorials and luetin’s lore vids, I think I’ve had the most chilled asmr-fuelled Christmas ever. Unbelievable job mate!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Happy holidays and thank you

    • @Aruxus
      @Aruxus ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You for last Christmas I’m getting ready for this Christmas. Funny how things work out.

  • @Khrist75
    @Khrist75 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Duncan is the teacher we all want to have for...:-). Always clear speeches and great techniques... Thanks a lot Duncan.

  • @cordysepsis9663
    @cordysepsis9663 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Might not be first, but I must say: Thank you for all the fun tutorials this year, and hope for more for the next years to come! Cheers!

  • @mattpk1609
    @mattpk1609 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great timing on the video. Can imagine quite a bunch of people got this one for Christmas. If i own a model or not i love your videos on big miniatures.

  • @MidwestMiniatureGuy
    @MidwestMiniatureGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm thrilled to see another pro painter using the drybrushing technique to paint larger models. Thanks Dunc for another great tutorial!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's a great technique, a 'real-world' technique in our eyes. Unfair rep :-)

    • @MidwestMiniatureGuy
      @MidwestMiniatureGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DuncanRhodesDRPA absolutely. I was teaching it to some new painters on Sunday night.

  • @mirage809
    @mirage809 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Be'Lakor has to be one of my favorite models GW has ever released. The model is a beautiful piece and I had a ton of fun painting him when he released (took me a month of slowly chipping away a him. Took me a while to field him as he was a bit of a mess to field with Chaos Marines, but the Daemons codex made that easier.

  • @JohnnyTightIips
    @JohnnyTightIips 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What a model!
    Be'lakor looks pretty nice too :D

  • @jessedeck131
    @jessedeck131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    First new year resolution : join the DR painting academy! Thanks and happy new year to everyone!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome and a happy new year to you too 🎉🎉🎉

  • @blockboygames5956
    @blockboygames5956 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful combination of skill and care, as well as clear instructions on everything that happens. Thank you.

  • @ThijsSchrijnemakers
    @ThijsSchrijnemakers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    just as I finished bulding and priming the big bad, this video comes at just the right time, thanks!

  • @nataliewenn888
    @nataliewenn888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you’ve had this set, sat on the shelf for a couple of months, and then decide to do it over the Christmas holidays. I’ve built it, and made a start on painting then two days later! You guys drop this video 😂. Thank you for helpful tips! Although you make painting the lava look easy 😂

  • @matthewblackwell3401
    @matthewblackwell3401 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As usual a fantastic video to follow, nothing beyond my skill but still punps out a great looking model

  • @guyloren
    @guyloren ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely awesome job Duncan,not painted any kind of demon prince since my original Archaon so feeling very inspired!😃👍🏻 Superb work,sir.🏆

  • @ryanneilan3223
    @ryanneilan3223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    So crazy. As someone new to all this honestly the hardest thing is paint consistency. Pallette is too dry, wet pallette makes everything too wet. Driving me nuts. haha

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yes, but it does just take practice. You'll soon get the feel for the paint and what works. Just keep at it, it'll come in now time at all 😊

    • @ryanneilan3223
      @ryanneilan3223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DuncanRhodesDRPA Cheers!

    • @comradeanthony4120
      @comradeanthony4120 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is your wet palette too wet? I recently switched to a wet palette and I don't notice it getting the paint too wet. In fact my paint was drying out but I figured out how to fix that(thanks to Miniac).

    • @ryanneilan3223
      @ryanneilan3223 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@comradeanthony4120 Must be. I have paper towel in a little plastic tupperware. Wet the towel, let the water move around, then tip all the water out, let it all drain, then the baking paper over the top. Will see about adjusting it.

    • @AverageBritishNerd1138
      @AverageBritishNerd1138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ryanneilan3223 As a different idea, I used one of the thin cleaning sponge cloths you can get for mine (I forget the actual name for them), and put it in the lid of the tupperware, as it's just thick enough that the baking parchment is level with the lip, so no reaching into the tupperware to get the paint. I found that the damp sponge holds water for longer and doesn't need to be replaced as often as paper towel.

  • @brushzzers3155
    @brushzzers3155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awsome job as always!
    Once again, it was a pleasure to met you in Bolter Hobby Store couple days ago ;)
    Best wishes!

  • @dondongman
    @dondongman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't wait to see what you do when angron is released

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Us too! We're looking forward to that one for sure!

  • @potatophantom9717
    @potatophantom9717 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just got mine in the mail today! This tutorial will be put to good use! Thanks and nicely done!

  • @symmo95
    @symmo95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got Be’Lakor for Christmas. Haven’t started building or painting yet, but I will be following Duncan to the letter. An absolutely mastercrafted of a model and he needs be painted justly

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome, you'll have fun painting him for sure

  • @DarkWatch-Ian
    @DarkWatch-Ian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi Duncan. Happy New year to you and Rog. This is just what I needed. I've got a 120mm Balrog to paint from the Bardsung game. This is a perfect way to transition the techniques used here for that. Thanks for all the hard work you guys have done in 2022 . Can't wait to see what you bring in 2023. Take care and kind regards Ian 🖌️🖌️🖌️👍

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Ian. We have some great plans for 2023! Stay tuned

  • @andrereeves1313
    @andrereeves1313 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, easy to follow. I had to mix a few of the paints I was missing so the little paint tool tips were really helpful.
    "Now just paint the lava" was a huge understatement 😂
    Excellent tutorial, left with a brilliant centre piece for my army. Many thanks.

  • @alexthenotgood1411
    @alexthenotgood1411 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice of Duncan to put one of his best paid tutorials up for free!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      We felt it was a nice gesture to celebrate the last year and for the Academy being live for almost 3 years 😊

  • @guywilson187
    @guywilson187 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful rendition of a beautiful model. Nice tutorial Duncan, thanks.

  • @RevanR
    @RevanR 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great painting tips to end this year

  • @disturbedashell18118
    @disturbedashell18118 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would absolutely love to see a tutorial on Fulgrim. I want to paint him bad, but I’m nervous, he’s many pennies and apparently very hard

  • @matthewbirdsall9518
    @matthewbirdsall9518 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dang, going to have to paint along to this one!

  • @christianschroder4694
    @christianschroder4694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are the Dark Master of Painting 🖤
    Please paint a Pusgoyle blightlord 😍

  • @Kaiden-LazyPaintProductions
    @Kaiden-LazyPaintProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    AP wet palette, no Artis Opus brushes, no TTC paints to replace the not-so-good Citadel ones like black/white… This was actually recorded quite some time ago. Wow, I think I’ve been watching Duncan a bit too much when I’ve memorized his equipment lol. Heck, there’s never too much DRPA. Great vid!

  • @richardwalker1229
    @richardwalker1229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great videos, all really helpful. Would be good to see some tau and kroot painting

  • @ygyeung2056
    @ygyeung2056 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thx for big miiature tutorial, and happy new year.

  • @rockkiller124
    @rockkiller124 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Already finished him a long time ago but hey, at least we still got a quality relaxing tutorial

  • @MoreLikeDanny
    @MoreLikeDanny ปีที่แล้ว

    I swear, the Bob Ross of mini painting

  • @FosterWalsh
    @FosterWalsh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    awesome!!!

  • @arachnon4785
    @arachnon4785 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im definitely going to use some of the techniques when i paint marvel crisis protocol venom

  • @Darrkerkg
    @Darrkerkg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been waiting for this!!

  • @Buckdodgers
    @Buckdodgers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Duncan Rhodes Painting Academy I was planning to use the badger black airbrush paint for a basecoat. Have you worked with that? If so, what do you think of it?

  • @anakon
    @anakon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for making this public! Where is the Conquest content though?!

  • @Nmx6286
    @Nmx6286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How do you do dis? My wife gave me Belakor for Christmas and I just finished building him up. And here I am thinking how to paint him, bam! Your video pops up. This must be fate! (PS, I have like a hundred other minis waiting in line to be painted, but Belakor gets privileges)

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's the 'Dark Arts'...we know everything...mahhawwww

  • @salaciousseed
    @salaciousseed 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and amazing process. Your videos have helped me A TON with understanding miniature painting and has made me take an interest with trying the hobby out, working on my first set of Space Marines, going smoothly so far!
    I always remember: "Thin your paints!" Thanks to you.
    Happy New Year Duncan, looking forward to another year of great content!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you and a happy new year to you too.

  • @kevinpotter7311
    @kevinpotter7311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved this and painted mine with some of the tips thanks Duncan 👹👹👹👹👹

  • @chrisreindl1649
    @chrisreindl1649 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Painting noob asking, why does Duncan use Sycorax Bronze on the gold instead of Liberator Gold @35:00? Just so its not such a bright highlight?

  • @ionminiatures
    @ionminiatures 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really want to paint him. Though will probably do a different colour scheme.

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He is soooo much fun to paint, you'll enjoy it regardless of the scheme 😊

  • @Andrew-el8xi
    @Andrew-el8xi ปีที่แล้ว

    Not an airbrush insight...! Amazing...

  • @florianschuster6489
    @florianschuster6489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes !!!!!!!!!!

  • @chieseditalia5409
    @chieseditalia5409 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful thank you! I'll buy be'lakor very soon! Great! Ciao! 🇮🇹

  • @kingxerocole4616
    @kingxerocole4616 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Literally after I assembled him!
    Got super frustrated with the build as the instructions for an arm had an error, and I finally went online to see what I was missing.

  • @KukoDane
    @KukoDane ปีที่แล้ว

    Always loved Be'lakor (Bella) and gonna make my Bella according to this tutorial, even though I know you make it look way easier than it probably is. Thinking of showing the different gods power in him, by using Blood for the Blood god on the hooks and base instead of lava, Nurgle corruption at the holes in his wings as it was about to regenerate and his tongue as Slaanesh. Thinking about using some more Tzeenzy colours on the swords smoke effect.
    EDIT: Changed my mind, and will paint the talons on the wings as "bone"ish with blood for the blood god on them.

  • @ben31uk
    @ben31uk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What colours do I need if I’m using army painter paints only.

  • @edeigor
    @edeigor ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos. The tips are great

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you , DRPA .
    🐺

  • @AncientIrishCelt
    @AncientIrishCelt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A great tutorial. A friend asked me if I could paint a dragon sculpt for his father so this will be very helpful.

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @AncientIrishCelt
      @AncientIrishCelt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @DuncanRhodesDRPA watching your videos has been a huge boost Duncan. Thanks so much. Gonna sign up to your site once I sort the Christmas bills

  • @nathanferrarese6363
    @nathanferrarese6363 ปีที่แล้ว

    im curious, how do you file down the mould lines before priming it? because its so big and there are so many grooves and whatnot.

  • @ajejebrazorf1888
    @ajejebrazorf1888 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are the wings considered flesh when applying the black?

  • @Quasar929
    @Quasar929 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the thumbnail! 👍

  • @ramza813
    @ramza813 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    happy new year Dunc and Rog!
    subscribe to the site!

  • @autisticpainter4079
    @autisticpainter4079 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm sorry but the screenshot of Duncan reminds me of the demon from the Tenacious D music video Tribute 😂

  • @Lait_Croft
    @Lait_Croft 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Отличный демон - гардеробщик. Много крючков для курток. Он как бы говорит: а ты забрал куртку? Я сегодня до трех работаю!

  • @alderonsabbet7217
    @alderonsabbet7217 ปีที่แล้ว

    First of all, Thank you very much for the videos Is showing all of the proper painting techniques. I am still very new to all of this but your videos have helped me a lot in this area. You know the only question I have and I hope you can answer is when you were painting the base and using Dawnstone was it just regular Dawnstone or Dry Dawnstone? Because when I looked it up and there were 2 different versions of it It and since you were dry brushing it I just wanted to make sure.

  • @romainbegon538
    @romainbegon538 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing work! BTW could you consider making one vid about painting Teclis?

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Already done over at the Academy (www.duncanrhodes.com)

  • @dougpridgen9682
    @dougpridgen9682 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will your paint eventually be available on Amazon? Can't wait to try it. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and techniques.

  • @shanepatrick4534
    @shanepatrick4534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Two thin coats of evil it would seem...

  • @janosjanos123
    @janosjanos123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    just yestrday i was looking for some guide and gods of paint heard my call :)

  • @TheHOZ95
    @TheHOZ95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    01:58 savage

  • @tien65
    @tien65 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank yoh for the awesome guide. Would like to ask if you are planning to paint nighthaunt units like the black coach?

  • @tien65
    @tien65 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the awesome guide. Would like to ask if you are planning to paint nighthaunt units like the black coach?

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. We may be in the future for sure.

  • @ben31uk
    @ben31uk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how can I find the nearest colour possible with army painter paints? Don’t like citadel

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can search online for a conversion chart or you can check out our website, we have one there BUT it's not all the colours although it may help you get started.

  • @LordCommanderJoe
    @LordCommanderJoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video as always! Do you have any tips for making Space Wolves a little more battle worn and grim dark love the wolves but their colour scheme is slightly too clean for my liking

  • @Mr.Smerples
    @Mr.Smerples 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watched this with my son. His reaction.
    "Wow thats a really grumpy dragon. That marine shouldnt have taken his apple juice."

  • @accountnamewithheld
    @accountnamewithheld 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I absolutely hate painting big minis.. got an avatar to paint for a tourney in feb, any advice duncan?

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure, give yourself small targets to hit and try to have fun with them. A larger model is a great opportunity to paint something unique in your force. You could also try paint some of it then move on to another miniature/ squad another day thenreturnm and continue.

    • @accountnamewithheld
      @accountnamewithheld 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DuncanRhodesDRPA I think if I paint some of it and move on I might not come back to it :) Small targets sounds like the way to go! Thanks

  • @jeffreymoffitt4070
    @jeffreymoffitt4070 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you do artifact gundams?

  • @matthewchristoforou5324
    @matthewchristoforou5324 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I tried looking through your videos to find an explanation for the problem im having, when i try to glaze a model with a contrast paint and thin it down with contrast medium its drying very chalky. Would that be because im using to much or should i be using water to thin it down instead ?

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Matthew. It depends on the colour you are using. Some of the Contrast paints are chalky by nature so this issue will occur unfortunately. You can try some water and see what that does but personally, I avoid the chalky colours (such as Space Wolves grey or Ultra Marines Blue).

  • @Auriorium
    @Auriorium 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't forget you can use the same model if you are playing Old Hammer.
    That is how I call Warhammer Fantasy with square bases.

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      mmmm...Old Hammer.....

    • @Auriorium
      @Auriorium 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DuncanRhodesDRPA Ye I miss Fantasy it was an interesting game. Started to paint some old Battle for Skull Pass minis I have left.

  • @geoffok
    @geoffok 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What color should I paint the Space Marine if I don't have any friends?

  • @Nurglewaffle
    @Nurglewaffle 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid, as always! I also got a bunch of Leagues of Votann for xmas and they're going to be the first project I try out your paint range on! :) (... so if maybe a leagues video for ymyr conglomerate were to show up in the next few months, I wouldn't complain ;) )

  • @markparsons4434
    @markparsons4434 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can i buy your paints?

  • @baldur123456
    @baldur123456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    dude i just bought one today hahah

  • @bginger855
    @bginger855 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are incredible painting

  • @TheWeaklingg
    @TheWeaklingg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the third time Duncan gets out a painting tutorial on a model I just bought. WTH is happening?!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Dark Arts is what's happeneing lol

  • @esotabletop
    @esotabletop 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a fantastic Tutorial Duncan! Really simplifies how to achieve some of the effects, like the soul leaving the Space Marines body. Sadly I'll still be reporting this video to the inquisitors for the copious amount of Heresy!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awesome! We're glad you enjoyed it. As for Heresy...we don't know what you mean 🤫

  • @flyingtam
    @flyingtam ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, but why did you jump around so much? Like all the leather- you based the leather, then did some metalics, then cloth, then the leather again, then skulls, etc. etc. I think the only area you didn't jump around was the skin and wings. On such a large model, isn't it better to just do one thing at a time until complete before moving on to the next?

  • @coolin2761
    @coolin2761 ปีที่แล้ว

    Belakor looks quite painful to hold with all those spikes 😂

  • @Yami02blue
    @Yami02blue 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    39:15 shows me that I'm too damn shaky. I got shaky just watching

  • @Retrosicotte
    @Retrosicotte 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never understand how youtube painters drybrushes stay so straight to control it. My citadel drybrush explodes into a spread bristles shape the moment I use it for a couple strokes, even after only very early, light use.

  • @PiquantPan
    @PiquantPan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing job as always, but one tiny detail is that it seems rather foolish is to have the pedestal of molten lava and burning rock be surrounded by a few dozen tufts of dried grass -- that's a fire hazard at best ;)

  • @VaSoapman
    @VaSoapman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why is Bobby Kotic in the Thumbnail?

  •  2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "lava" xD

  • @robertzio
    @robertzio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At the time of writing this, no one has seen the full video

  • @thierrybenito8623
    @thierrybenito8623 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    why you not paint your paint collection two thin coats, is very difficult , your promot this collection and your not work with in?

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Simple, in this case, this video is from the Academy Vaults, so it's older, before our paints were out 😊

  • @bat33.12
    @bat33.12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We can't paint Be'lakor he's out of stock constantly at GW 🤷‍♂😁

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Popular guy I guess

    • @bat33.12
      @bat33.12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @DuncanRhodesDRPA almost as popular as Mr Two thin coats himself 😁

  • @ricksanchez3204
    @ricksanchez3204 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sub assemblies!?! Subassemblies are for cowards! Or... I guess people who value their time LOL