The market determines what is over and under priced. The fact that these sell brand new in the secondary market for 10% below retail price means the watch is over priced. Say what you want but economics determine whether it is over or under priced, not emotions.
I tried this watch on a couple weeks ago. Its maybe 2k too much at best. Yes same movement as Mark 20, BUT finishing on ingeniur is done to a very very different level, that's what is most time consuming in watch manufacturing, and time is money. The bracelet is better than omega, chopard and better than jlc bracelets. TH-cam comments are filled with Walmart people, people who have never seen the watch, people that have no idea what fine details and finishing is and how difficult it is. In person the watch changed my mind on a few issues I had with it, and considering iwc had over 1 billion in sales last year, they are selling just fine
Always nice to see someone go out on a limb .... however, nothing I've seen about the watch screams that it's worth over $10k. The design isn't that stunning. The movement isn't that great. At a time when 90% of inflation is caused by greedflation - IWC went the wrong way on this one. If they'd priced it in the $6-7k range this would have been a homerun and a gateway drug to get folks to the IWC brand. Full disclosure -- I own two IWC watches. I'm a big fan of the brand. This pricing made me like them less. As far as the Genta design? anyone can homage that for inspiration.
@@bdegrds True - but I've yet to see a watch in person that looked significantly better than it does in videos -- 99% of the time it's the reverse. They look less nice in person.
@@denniskai2331 This one looks better on the wrist. Feels great too. Nice balanced weight and I don't have to take any links off. Rare for a watch to not need adjustment. With the secondary market pushing it at low 9k, I think those are reasons enough to make it a great watch for someone.
@denniskai2331 Dennis, i tried this watch on over the weekend, it looks way way better in person. It even looked better on my wrist than in the showcase. I am not one to buy a watch for $12k but this shit looked marvelous. I'd buy it if it was $6k and that's a lot coming from a guy who has a $1k for a watch.
The retail price is $11,700. With that budget, and if you are willing to wait, you can purchase a Date Submariner or a GMT Master II. Also, you can purchase an Evolution 9 Grand Seiko. Personally, if I had that budget, I would rather purchase a Zenith Chronomaster Sport. You can also purchase an Omega NTTD Seamaster, but I also think that watch is overpriced. I am not going to say this IWC watch is overpriced, but if I had $11,700 to spend, would I buy it? Hell No.
Your not going to be able to get any of those Rolex's. The GS has an inferior bracelet compared to the ingeniur and the Zenith is inferior in finishing as well. Omega is a notch or 2 below IWC. You would know all these things if you were actually involved in the watch world and not just look at TH-cam videos
Yeah, but the IWC’s movement is notably inferior to every watch mentioned and isn’t even an in-house caliber. It uses a buggy ValFluerier movement with no stated accuracy ratings, even though that exact movement is COSC in Baume & Mercier watches costing less than half this price. So, y’know, we all have our priorities, preferences, and justifications for the arbitrary pricing of luxury goods. For me personally, there’s nothing about this new Ingeneiur that makes worth any more than the version from 2014 that had better dimensions, a more reliable movement, was more faithful to the Genta original, and cost less than half of what they’re asking now…
You can find them for 9.2k full set on Chrono24. Prices are going down. A little less than 9k would make it a great buy, IMO. I bet most saying just get a Mark XX is not actually getting a Mark XX. I have a GMT Master II and Sub...would still consider this watch as it's a totally different style with a different mission for me. But to your point, MSRP, would not be my first priority.
Dude it's way overpriced. You know it is. I don't why you put this video up. I don't care if it's from genta, it doesnt look like it's worth that much. Your audience agrees.
I own this watch. It's really one of those watches you can't fully appreciate until seeing it and actually wearing it out. The engineering of the details and fitment of this watch are amazing. The bracelet is more comfortable than any of my Rolex and the fact that a 40mm integrated sports watch wears small for its size is a revelation for my small wrist. The aqua dial is a highlight. It's a mix of blue and green but I'd definitely define it as a green dial. The best part of the watch, as you said, is the design. It's brilliant in my opinion - a blend of the Royal Oak and Nautilus.
100% true...when I was wearing the aqua Ingenieur at the IWC Boutique I was amazed about the look & feel of the watch. Loved it....but it would be awesome if the bracelet of the aqua could be bought without the polished inserts (like the brushed bracelet of the black dial).
Harrison, I really appreciate your reviews and generally gel with you on most of your assessments. However, I have to tell you that I'm not tracking with your justification for the price here. The Genta design is not even one of his most iconic. And while this dial is amazingly detailed and a beautiful color, it's not 10,500￡beautiful. Stainless steel with a fairly routine movement (which, as you point out, you don't even see) - I just can't get behind IWC's pricing strategy here.
People aren't asking IF its overpriced, they're asserting it & you dispute that, you are in a minority, its hilariously overpriced. Also turquoise is what you call blue/green ffs.
Over-priced, over-sized for me, external crystal coatings, no fine bracelet adjustment and last of all I can't help seeing American flags all over the dial. I'm not American so that alone would have nixed it for me.
After taxes this watch comes in around $12,500 . With all the other competition out there offering tremendous value , no shot this is worth that price. I’m sure there are people paying that but let’s be honest this is a $7k-$8k value at best.
I own the Ingenieur aqua since early March. The price of $11,700 was worth it to me. I love it. The watch not the price. There is an issue with comfort. The push buttons are super sharp. It would be a huge improvement if they were rounded off more
You have lost a great deal of credibility from this video. I'd rather have an equally good Baume & Mercier Riviera (from the same parent company) and $10,000 USD in my pocket, and so would 99% of other watch collectors. This video is a slap in the face to the watch community.
Personally think it’s a bit overpriced. You could get a Baume et Mericer Rivera (particularly the translucent dials) with the same 5 day power reserve movement for ~$4k.
The watch is phenomenal and unique with the aqua leaf. She is worth every penny! I saw the watch at W&W 2023 and immediately went for it. Wearing it is always a feeling of happiness and you can feel this great watchmaking art on your wrist!
Man those visuals!!! 😍 absolutely crispy 👌🏽👊🏽 I actually really like the Ingenieur…..but prefer the ones with the brushed centre links. Best combo would be this aqua with brushed centre links strap. Further…controversial statement but I think the Laureato does it best. Yep…even better than the GG ones..
I'm still undecided if it's worth it, but I've tried all the steel ones on and they're brilliant. The Aqua is my favorite. I'm normally not a polished center links guy, but it just works so well here. It doesn't feel too blingy. The comfort/size on my wrist is just perfect too. If you look at them on Chrono24, it seems the Aqua is either JUST below sticker new, or well OVER. Maybe the market is speaking on the pricing and saying it's worth it. I've not tried the titanium model, unfortunately. I hope they release others in the titanium line at some point though.
I don’t know but I tried on the “aqua” or teal colour one today. It’s amazing in every way… but even my AD agrees they are priced too high. Thankfully I can get a generous discount, but he even questioned IWC on their pricing model. They couldn’t justify the price and only replied “that’s the price”.
The movement in ingenieur can be found in another much cheaper watch from Baume Mercier. When people pointed this out, instead of upgrading the movement of this watch apparently they are going to downgrade the movement in the Baume Mercier. Dodgy strategies like this are also taken by Panerai, Cartier and probably many more.
The movement is not the same, internet misinformation. Components are received by each manufacturer, then each manufacturer assembles, finishes and regulates the movements. BM is absolutely no where close to Iwc in this. They are not drop in movements like kids on the internet think. This practice is very very common in the industry.
@@bdegrds They're powered by the same movement, but the Ingenieur costs more than 3 times of the BM Baumatic. At least the Baumatic is COSC while the Ingenieur is not. Yes, this practice is common among many brands in the industry, which is exactly why people question what justifies the 3X price.
It’s not perfect, because it can only be purchased in one size. Imagine a shoe company only selling their products in size 7 (EU size 41) only 😳 What are they thinking? We all have different wrists. What looks great on you will look bad on me if my wrist size is different to yours. One of the great things about the Royal Oak is that it can be purchased in 5 different sizes from 33 mm to 41 mm. That I can’t afford any of these is a bit beyond the point. I agree that the Ingenieur is lovely, but for me personally it’s not interesting unless they introduce a 37-38 mm version. Greetings from Denmark
This IWC is “THE LEAST” comfortable watch I have ever owned. Why you ask? It doesn’t even come with enough links to fit someone with a 7.25 inch wrist and you can’t order links from IWC. Basically, if you have a man sized wrist this watch is completely unwearable. Expensive and unwearable. Two big thumbs down on this watch.
It is not even COSC certified at 14 000 euros? Come on with this kind of money you can buy Omega. And it is not OVERPRICED? With this kind of statements you will destroy your channel's reputation...
Really, it's not overpriced because of the who designed the original?!?!? So by that same logic Omega should charge a lot more for the Genta designed Constellation? The value proposition of a watch design is based on its constituent parts, level of finishing and supply & demand. The movement is the same as the B&M Riviera that has a saphire dial and open caseback for £3,600. I challenge you to point out what aspects of the Ingenieur justify a £7k uplift for a watch that offers no micro-adjustments on butterfly clasp, no quick change bracelet and a closed caseback! Leaving us with supply & demand, sure IWC don't make that many watches to begin with, but is that because they aren't as popular as other mid-tier luxury brands? The pricing has more to do with Richemont's pricing strategy amongst it's different brands rather than the real value of the watch, especially after they jacked up JLC prices by 45% in one fell swoop a year ago. But that's a topic for another discussion!
I think this is a beautiful watch, but imo, it's the least compelling of Genta's integrated bracelet steel sports watch designs. The Royal Oak and Nautilus are so distinctive in their design language and have the weight of being from 2 of the Holy Trinity watch brands. I don't think I could justify shelling out nearly $12k for one despite it being a relative "bargain" compared to it's AP and Patek siblings. It's in a weird place where it's too expensive to compete with the copy-cat designs, but not "special" enough to compete with the more famous Genta designs.
Sorry, the price justification makes no sense. Gerald Genta didn’t design this watch. He designed a watch for IWC in 1976 that IWC’s current design team drew inspiration from and evolved. Which is exactly what IWC’s design team has done many times with the Ingenieur…this is just the first time they’ve had the gall to charge for the association. This would be no different than VW suddenly slapping an extra 10 grand on the price of every new Golf because they decided to evoke Giugiaro (a far more important designer than Genta in every measure) as the designer of the original model in 1974. Or, more directly, if Seiko added a few grand to the price of every Giugiaro-designed watch they reissue. But they don’t. Because that would be stupid. I do appreciate your Gucci reference, though, because it really lays it out plain: You’re not paying for the watch, you’re certainly not paying for the Richemont-sourced movement, and you’re certainly not paying for an original Genta design…you’re paying for the IWC logo on the dial…and to the extent someone puts any value on that logo is really the answer to “is this overpriced?”
To start with, your explanation of “is it overpriced” is absolutely awful, (sorry) yes the watch is worth more money than the baume&mercier Riviera ( it’s the same movement and spec) because the bracelet and the clasp is fantastic, so ok let’s be fair, very very fair, that takes it to being worth 5,500 -£6,000 tops. it’s horrendously overpriced. when it came to answering the hard-hitting question “ Gérald Genta they can charge whatever they want” IWC sales are down but for now profit is the same. it is an absolutely fantastic watch but it’s overpriced, wildly overpriced and the market for that watch is a very niche market.
Sorry but it is overpriced. Like every Luxury company they are chasing Rolex hoping they can stick. I will always endorse buying used prices drop like stone on many models especially the 3 year old in mint. Also you can buy a Girard Perregaux Laureato.
It is 100% over priced, it has the same movement as the pilot mark xx which is nearly half the price. OK the inginuer has a few more tricks with the faraday cage nicer dial etc but not £5k more it's an £8k watch all day and no more. I really want one but I can't justify £11k when in my eyes it's a sub £8k watch
IWC cannot be compared to Tissot or Christopher Ward… it’s a respected tool watch brand with a long history and boutique Swiss made niche brand. A bit like Glashütte in Germany. The Genta design reminds me of the Dieter Rams design based on simplicity and efficiency. 40mm and thin, great bracelet, and history… not bad for the price …
Exactly. This shows that the market sees it similar. Not worth the retail price. IWC should offer a lower priced version with a simpler dial etc for under 10k. Once it reaches 8k I am very tempted to get one…because I find this watch very nice.
I would say this about Gerald Genta is without distracting from his work, if there was no genta wood we have watches like this? The answer isalmost certainly yes, if they were not exactly like this, they would be very similar . The bracelet on this is almost identical to the one on the Riviera. I’d love to know how much more the IWC cost. I will bet it’s about £10 per bracelet more .
By far overpriced. Heavily. Baume et Mercier does with the Riviera a nice watch with the same movement for a fraction of the IWC price. Genta design als well.
I’m excited to hear this take, because I cannot see how it’s not grotesquely overpriced at the moment. Edit: The editing in this video is off the charts 👍
No I don’t need to see it from the brand’s point of view. They’re beeing too greedy. If something doesn’t sells, than lower the price until it does. This is called market correction, and I don’t need to hear these brands throwing a hissy fit because they overpriced their product.
I love the watch, but a 40mm integrated bracelet is just too big for me personally. But the biggest issue, especially at this price point, is the omission of any on the fly micro adjustment is just criminal in the eyes. If Christopher Ward can provide it on their new 12 model, then why can't IWC.
Provocative title, not convinced though. No mention of the movement, and ending the argument that it’s worth the price because some dude is dead when this isn’t even the version he designed, was a weird end point. Love the content, just personally disagree on this watch’s value proposition for me.
It’s an actual Gerald Genta designed watch, not a Genta inspired designed watch, where you don’t have play AD games, have a spend history to get one, then beg to be allocated one - seems like added value to me. I waited last year for it for just one month and now they are cheaper in the grey market. And now they are just add to cart in their website. I purchased it since I liked it and I don’t intend to sell it. Also Harrison mentioned it too, the only integrated watch competitor that fits better than an Ingenieur are Parmigiani Fleurier models. I tried on the VC Overseas multiple times- such a weird fit to me. AP was dainty and Nautilus was the ok of the three in terms of fit for me. You’re getting a Genta watch that is cheaper than Chopard and GP. The movement could be of debate, but other brands share movements as well.
We need more content like this. What we usually sees is how beautiful watch is under the neon/LED lights of controlled environment or small room, not much we would see someone wearing watches, especially if it's not tool watches, on real environment, outdoor, or test it as it should be. BTW, the colour between blue/green is called "Teal"
A lot of people call the Ingenieur the weakest of Genta's integrated watch designs when compared to the Nautilus and RO. For me though, this incarnation of it is amazing. I like that you can get a thoroughly contemporary, well-specced, Genta-designed integrated sports watch that doesn't come with the price tag or social baggage of a RO or an unobtainable Nautilus. There were some stinkers in the line's history for sure, however, they've nailed all the details in this one. It's number one on my list since trying it on. Love it.
Ilia kvalito ne estas malsupera al tiuj grandaj luksaj varoj. La fortikeco kaj atento al detaloj rivalas kun la originalaj dezajnistsakoj kaj mi ne povas kredi kiom mi ?paris. ?i estas la perfekta akcesora?o por iu ajn moda knabino! Mi certas, ke mi rea?etos iujn aliajn stilojn kaj kolorojn ? nkuwan por kongrui kun miaj vesta?oj kaj ?uoj!
Let’s all be honest - all watches are overpriced, and yet we buy them anyway! For me, no I wouldn’t pay what they’re asking - too many (what I think are) nicer watches I could get for the same money. But the blueish colour is stunning
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Is not , is only grossly overpriced ! Hope they didn’t payed for this video .
The market determines what is over and under priced. The fact that these sell brand new in the secondary market for 10% below retail price means the watch is over priced. Say what you want but economics determine whether it is over or under priced, not emotions.
@@Stona999 Economics IS determined by people's emotions as a collective.
@@ozmondoswhat are you talking about…
So true. The do not sale. Thats why there is this video
You have never even see it in real life
Great watch for 8k… for 12k, buy a Gp laureato
I tried this watch on a couple weeks ago. Its maybe 2k too much at best. Yes same movement as Mark 20, BUT finishing on ingeniur is done to a very very different level, that's what is most time consuming in watch manufacturing, and time is money. The bracelet is better than omega, chopard and better than jlc bracelets. TH-cam comments are filled with Walmart people, people who have never seen the watch, people that have no idea what fine details and finishing is and how difficult it is. In person the watch changed my mind on a few issues I had with it, and considering iwc had over 1 billion in sales last year, they are selling just fine
Always nice to see someone go out on a limb .... however, nothing I've seen about the watch screams that it's worth over $10k. The design isn't that stunning. The movement isn't that great. At a time when 90% of inflation is caused by greedflation - IWC went the wrong way on this one. If they'd priced it in the $6-7k range this would have been a homerun and a gateway drug to get folks to the IWC brand. Full disclosure -- I own two IWC watches. I'm a big fan of the brand. This pricing made me like them less. As far as the Genta design? anyone can homage that for inspiration.
You have never seen the watch in person lol
@@bdegrds True - but I've yet to see a watch in person that looked significantly better than it does in videos -- 99% of the time it's the reverse. They look less nice in person.
I'd rather have the 12x at less than half of the price
@@denniskai2331 This one looks better on the wrist. Feels great too. Nice balanced weight and I don't have to take any links off. Rare for a watch to not need adjustment. With the secondary market pushing it at low 9k, I think those are reasons enough to make it a great watch for someone.
@denniskai2331 Dennis, i tried this watch on over the weekend, it looks way way better in person. It even looked better on my wrist than in the showcase. I am not one to buy a watch for $12k but this shit looked marvelous. I'd buy it if it was $6k and that's a lot coming from a guy who has a $1k for a watch.
This watch is overpriced af!
The retail price is $11,700. With that budget, and if you are willing to wait, you can purchase a Date Submariner or a GMT Master II. Also, you can purchase an Evolution 9 Grand Seiko. Personally, if I had that budget, I would rather purchase a Zenith Chronomaster Sport. You can also purchase an Omega NTTD Seamaster, but I also think that watch is overpriced. I am not going to say this IWC watch is overpriced, but if I had $11,700 to spend, would I buy it? Hell No.
Your not going to be able to get any of those Rolex's. The GS has an inferior bracelet compared to the ingeniur and the Zenith is inferior in finishing as well. Omega is a notch or 2 below IWC. You would know all these things if you were actually involved in the watch world and not just look at TH-cam videos
Yeah, but the IWC’s movement is notably inferior to every watch mentioned and isn’t even an in-house caliber. It uses a buggy ValFluerier movement with no stated accuracy ratings, even though that exact movement is COSC in Baume & Mercier watches costing less than half this price. So, y’know, we all have our priorities, preferences, and justifications for the arbitrary pricing of luxury goods. For me personally, there’s nothing about this new Ingeneiur that makes worth any more than the version from 2014 that had better dimensions, a more reliable movement, was more faithful to the Genta original, and cost less than half of what they’re asking now…
With that budget, I can surely get 7 good watch from orient, seiko, citizen, tissot, longines, oris, and grand seiko plus dinner at 7-11 😂
You can find them for 9.2k full set on Chrono24. Prices are going down. A little less than 9k would make it a great buy, IMO. I bet most saying just get a Mark XX is not actually getting a Mark XX. I have a GMT Master II and Sub...would still consider this watch as it's a totally different style with a different mission for me. But to your point, MSRP, would not be my first priority.
except a sub , gmt and seamster are nasty looking at the best of times. The IWC is sexy, good looking and not a children's watch.
Overpriced and totally mediocre.
Dude it's way overpriced. You know it is. I don't why you put this video up. I don't care if it's from genta, it doesnt look like it's worth that much. Your audience agrees.
Total mistake, its insanely over priced! Freaking ridiculous 🙄
Total mistake because you cant afford it? Make sense😂
I own this watch. It's really one of those watches you can't fully appreciate until seeing it and actually wearing it out. The engineering of the details and fitment of this watch are amazing. The bracelet is more comfortable than any of my Rolex and the fact that a 40mm integrated sports watch wears small for its size is a revelation for my small wrist. The aqua dial is a highlight. It's a mix of blue and green but I'd definitely define it as a green dial.
The best part of the watch, as you said, is the design. It's brilliant in my opinion - a blend of the Royal Oak and Nautilus.
Anch’io ho Rolex , omega, Tudor ma questo IWC e’ il mio preferito, l’ho comprato in colore nero e sono molto soddisfatto.
100% true...when I was wearing the aqua Ingenieur at the IWC Boutique I was amazed about the look & feel of the watch. Loved it....but it would be awesome if the bracelet of the aqua could be bought without the polished inserts (like the brushed bracelet of the black dial).
for me it is overpriced for this price i got an el primero 21 chrono.
Harrison, I really appreciate your reviews and generally gel with you on most of your assessments. However, I have to tell you that I'm not tracking with your justification for the price here. The Genta design is not even one of his most iconic. And while this dial is amazingly detailed and a beautiful color, it's not 10,500￡beautiful. Stainless steel with a fairly routine movement (which, as you point out, you don't even see) - I just can't get behind IWC's pricing strategy here.
Its 4000-5000 $ overpriced
People aren't asking IF its overpriced, they're asserting it & you dispute that, you are in a minority, its hilariously overpriced. Also turquoise is what you call blue/green ffs.
I adore the dial colour! This is the prettiest version of the Ingenieur yet. Great take Harrison!
The movement is rubbish. It doesn't even change date at midnight. Instead you get a change over 2 hours.. My £3000 Tudor changes at midnight.....
Over-priced, over-sized for me, external crystal coatings, no fine bracelet adjustment and last of all I can't help seeing American flags all over the dial. I'm not American so that alone would have nixed it for me.
Overpriced, under-specced, Genta-milking flop. Doesn't even have free-sprung balance.
Yes it is. Shouldn't be more than 8K USD.
After taxes this watch comes in around $12,500 . With all the other competition out there offering tremendous value , no shot this is worth that price. I’m sure there are people paying that but let’s be honest this is a $7k-$8k value at best.
umm, oh yes it is!
All luxuries are overpriced, go buy a casio if price is your concern. I ordered the titanium anyway.
The mental gymnastics used to justify the price 😅
Sticking to my casio....
I own the Ingenieur aqua since early March. The price of $11,700 was worth it to me. I love it. The watch not the price. There is an issue with comfort. The push buttons are super sharp. It would be a huge improvement if they were rounded off more
You have lost a great deal of credibility from this video. I'd rather have an equally good Baume & Mercier Riviera (from the same parent company) and $10,000 USD in my pocket, and so would 99% of other watch collectors. This video is a slap in the face to the watch community.
100% facts
Paid shill
Personally think it’s a bit overpriced. You could get a Baume et Mericer Rivera (particularly the translucent dials) with the same 5 day power reserve movement for ~$4k.
@juliuscepaesar5360 - you are 100% correct Sir!
But then you are left with a Baume et Mericer...
@@awdrpepper So what?
As good looking as it is overpriced.
The word is turquoise.
Really wanted to hate it when i walk into their boutique, but after trying it on i think it is under value and will definitely get one😅
The beautiful scenery and videography effort is duly noted.
You are so full of it. Then again, this is a marketing channel.
It’s definitely over priced especially for that movement with the jumping second hand when you pull the crown out. It’s not even a chronometer.
That bracelet and bezel look AMAZING in this video.
IWC is overpriced as a brand.
The watch is phenomenal and unique with the aqua leaf. She is worth every penny! I saw the watch at W&W 2023 and immediately went for it. Wearing it is always a feeling of happiness and you can feel this great watchmaking art on your wrist!
"you need to see it from the brand's point of view" - yep, charge as much as they think they can get away with and laugh all the way to the bank!
Overpriced? Maybe, but it's absolutely stunning!
My Globemaster has a similar butterfly bracelet, you do get used to it.
I personally think this is more an 7 - 8k watch in steel.
6k
3k
@@ocb05 if only...!
Man those visuals!!! 😍 absolutely crispy 👌🏽👊🏽
I actually really like the Ingenieur…..but prefer the ones with the brushed centre links. Best combo would be this aqua with brushed centre links strap.
Further…controversial statement but I think the Laureato does it best. Yep…even better than the GG ones..
More videos showcasing Scottish landscapes. Try Loch Lomond.
I'm still undecided if it's worth it, but I've tried all the steel ones on and they're brilliant. The Aqua is my favorite. I'm normally not a polished center links guy, but it just works so well here. It doesn't feel too blingy. The comfort/size on my wrist is just perfect too. If you look at them on Chrono24, it seems the Aqua is either JUST below sticker new, or well OVER. Maybe the market is speaking on the pricing and saying it's worth it. I've not tried the titanium model, unfortunately. I hope they release others in the titanium line at some point though.
Head and shoulders ABOVE similarly priced Rolex sub which does not even come close to it in ANY respect!
I don’t know but I tried on the “aqua” or teal colour one today. It’s amazing in every way… but even my AD agrees they are priced too high. Thankfully I can get a generous discount, but he even questioned IWC on their pricing model. They couldn’t justify the price and only replied “that’s the price”.
The movement in ingenieur can be found in another much cheaper watch from Baume Mercier. When people pointed this out, instead of upgrading the movement of this watch apparently they are going to downgrade the movement in the Baume Mercier. Dodgy strategies like this are also taken by Panerai, Cartier and probably many more.
The movement is not the same, internet misinformation. Components are received by each manufacturer, then each manufacturer assembles, finishes and regulates the movements. BM is absolutely no where close to Iwc in this. They are not drop in movements like kids on the internet think. This practice is very very common in the industry.
@@bdegrds They're powered by the same movement, but the Ingenieur costs more than 3 times of the BM Baumatic. At least the Baumatic is COSC while the Ingenieur is not. Yes, this practice is common among many brands in the industry, which is exactly why people question what justifies the 3X price.
Its overpriced.
It’s not perfect, because it can only be purchased in one size. Imagine a shoe company only selling their products in size 7 (EU size 41) only 😳 What are they thinking? We all have different wrists. What looks great on you will look bad on me if my wrist size is different to yours. One of the great things about the Royal Oak is that it can be purchased in 5 different sizes from 33 mm to 41 mm. That I can’t afford any of these is a bit beyond the point. I agree that the Ingenieur is lovely, but for me personally it’s not interesting unless they introduce a 37-38 mm version. Greetings from Denmark
This IWC is “THE LEAST” comfortable watch I have ever owned. Why you ask? It doesn’t even come with enough links to fit someone with a 7.25 inch wrist and you can’t order links from IWC. Basically, if you have a man sized wrist this watch is completely unwearable. Expensive and unwearable. Two big thumbs down on this watch.
It is not even COSC certified at 14 000 euros? Come on with this kind of money you can buy Omega. And it is not OVERPRICED? With this kind of statements you will destroy your channel's reputation...
Really, it's not overpriced because of the who designed the original?!?!? So by that same logic Omega should charge a lot more for the Genta designed Constellation? The value proposition of a watch design is based on its constituent parts, level of finishing and supply & demand. The movement is the same as the B&M Riviera that has a saphire dial and open caseback for £3,600. I challenge you to point out what aspects of the Ingenieur justify a £7k uplift for a watch that offers no micro-adjustments on butterfly clasp, no quick change bracelet and a closed caseback! Leaving us with supply & demand, sure IWC don't make that many watches to begin with, but is that because they aren't as popular as other mid-tier luxury brands? The pricing has more to do with Richemont's pricing strategy amongst it's different brands rather than the real value of the watch, especially after they jacked up JLC prices by 45% in one fell swoop a year ago. But that's a topic for another discussion!
I think this is a beautiful watch, but imo, it's the least compelling of Genta's integrated bracelet steel sports watch designs. The Royal Oak and Nautilus are so distinctive in their design language and have the weight of being from 2 of the Holy Trinity watch brands. I don't think I could justify shelling out nearly $12k for one despite it being a relative "bargain" compared to it's AP and Patek siblings. It's in a weird place where it's too expensive to compete with the copy-cat designs, but not "special" enough to compete with the more famous Genta designs.
Sorry, the price justification makes no sense. Gerald Genta didn’t design this watch. He designed a watch for IWC in 1976 that IWC’s current design team drew inspiration from and evolved. Which is exactly what IWC’s design team has done many times with the Ingenieur…this is just the first time they’ve had the gall to charge for the association. This would be no different than VW suddenly slapping an extra 10 grand on the price of every new Golf because they decided to evoke Giugiaro (a far more important designer than Genta in every measure) as the designer of the original model in 1974. Or, more directly, if Seiko added a few grand to the price of every Giugiaro-designed watch they reissue. But they don’t. Because that would be stupid. I do appreciate your Gucci reference, though, because it really lays it out plain: You’re not paying for the watch, you’re certainly not paying for the Richemont-sourced movement, and you’re certainly not paying for an original Genta design…you’re paying for the IWC logo on the dial…and to the extent someone puts any value on that logo is really the answer to “is this overpriced?”
Overpriced. I have an Omega SMP Electric Blue swords hands. Purchased it 10 years ago 1.6K £. That IWC is no better.
To start with, your explanation of “is it overpriced” is absolutely awful, (sorry) yes the watch is worth more money than the baume&mercier Riviera ( it’s the same movement and spec) because the bracelet and the clasp is fantastic, so ok let’s be fair, very very fair, that takes it to being worth 5,500 -£6,000 tops. it’s horrendously overpriced. when it came to answering the hard-hitting question “ Gérald Genta they can charge whatever they want”
IWC sales are down but for now profit is the same. it is an absolutely fantastic watch but it’s overpriced, wildly overpriced and the market for that watch is a very niche market.
Sorry but it is overpriced. Like every Luxury company they are chasing Rolex hoping they can stick. I will always endorse buying used prices drop like stone on many models especially the 3 year old in mint. Also you can buy a Girard Perregaux Laureato.
Would have been a modern day icon if it didn’t have crown guards. I would have paid $12,000 for it. A miss for me, IWC.
It is 100% over priced, it has the same movement as the pilot mark xx which is nearly half the price. OK the inginuer has a few more tricks with the faraday cage nicer dial etc but not £5k more it's an £8k watch all day and no more. I really want one but I can't justify £11k when in my eyes it's a sub £8k watch
IWC cannot be compared to Tissot or Christopher Ward… it’s a respected tool watch brand with a long history and boutique Swiss made niche brand. A bit like Glashütte in Germany. The Genta design reminds me of the Dieter Rams design based on simplicity and efficiency. 40mm and thin, great bracelet, and history… not bad for the price …
It’s absurdly overpriced. But then what “luxury” item isn’t? Should have the micro adjust bracelet though.
Stunning watch, and second hand prices are dropping below 10k. Fingers crossed, it hits 8k which seems a more realistic price.
Exactly. This shows that the market sees it similar. Not worth the retail price. IWC should offer a lower priced version with a simpler dial etc for under 10k. Once it reaches 8k I am very tempted to get one…because I find this watch very nice.
I would say this about Gerald Genta is without distracting from his work, if there was no genta wood we have watches like this?
The answer isalmost certainly yes, if they were not exactly like this, they would be very similar . The bracelet on this is almost identical to the one on the Riviera. I’d love to know how much more the IWC cost. I will bet it’s about £10 per bracelet more .
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Everybody complaining that it cost too much……your broke ass don’t have to buy it…..you probably can’t if you’re complaining about it lol
It's looks verry beautyful, but def. over-priced.The colour, for me, is Petrol! Vg Vid.
By far overpriced. Heavily. Baume et Mercier does with the Riviera a nice watch with the same movement for a fraction of the IWC price. Genta design als well.
I’m excited to hear this take, because I cannot see how it’s not grotesquely overpriced at the moment.
Edit: The editing in this video is off the charts 👍
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No I don’t need to see it from the brand’s point of view. They’re beeing too greedy. If something doesn’t sells, than lower the price until it does. This is called market correction, and I don’t need to hear these brands throwing a hissy fit because they overpriced their product.
I love the watch, but a 40mm integrated bracelet is just too big for me personally. But the biggest issue, especially at this price point, is the omission of any on the fly micro adjustment is just criminal in the eyes. If Christopher Ward can provide it on their new 12 model, then why can't IWC.
Provocative title, not convinced though. No mention of the movement, and ending the argument that it’s worth the price because some dude is dead when this isn’t even the version he designed, was a weird end point.
Love the content, just personally disagree on this watch’s value proposition for me.
I like your videos but this one is just way overpriced. They should developed and used a more advanced movement for this one.
Definitely overpriced. I will wait for more to hit the secondary market to establish the true value of the watch.
The color is called amazing. Always love the outdoors videos.
Very stunning beautiful dress watch for me especially in this color that you present is just fantastic!!! 💪👏👍❤️❤️❤️
Even engineer cannot afford this. Explorer much better value money
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It’s an actual Gerald Genta designed watch, not a Genta inspired designed watch, where you don’t have play AD games, have a spend history to get one, then beg to be allocated one - seems like added value to me.
I waited last year for it for just one month and now they are cheaper in the grey market. And now they are just add to cart in their website. I purchased it since I liked it and I don’t intend to sell it.
Also Harrison mentioned it too, the only integrated watch competitor that fits better than an Ingenieur are Parmigiani Fleurier models. I tried on the VC Overseas multiple times- such a weird fit to me. AP was dainty and Nautilus was the ok of the three in terms of fit for me.
You’re getting a Genta watch that is cheaper than Chopard and GP. The movement could be of debate, but other brands share movements as well.
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They’re an AD for IWC. Do you expect them to say it’s overpriced?
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This dial color is “Turquoise”which is a weird bluish green color that is!
We need more content like this. What we usually sees is how beautiful watch is under the neon/LED lights of controlled environment or small room, not much we would see someone wearing watches, especially if it's not tool watches, on real environment, outdoor, or test it as it should be.
BTW, the colour between blue/green is called "Teal"
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A lot of people call the Ingenieur the weakest of Genta's integrated watch designs when compared to the Nautilus and RO. For me though, this incarnation of it is amazing. I like that you can get a thoroughly contemporary, well-specced, Genta-designed integrated sports watch that doesn't come with the price tag or social baggage of a RO or an unobtainable Nautilus. There were some stinkers in the line's history for sure, however, they've nailed all the details in this one. It's number one on my list since trying it on. Love it.
over price trash....i rather get a JLC or Cartier
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second market already selling at 80%
Exactly. And trending down.
Thanks for the wonderful video. Lovely watch, but I remain that it is overpriced for what it is.
Ilia kvalito ne estas malsupera al tiuj grandaj luksaj varoj. La fortikeco kaj atento al detaloj rivalas kun la originalaj dezajnistsakoj kaj mi ne povas kredi kiom mi ?paris. ?i estas la perfekta akcesora?o por iu ajn moda knabino! Mi certas, ke mi rea?etos iujn aliajn stilojn kaj kolorojn ? nkuwan por kongrui kun miaj vesta?oj kaj ?uoj!
It is.
But a fine watch non-the-less.
Its lame at that price point. Crazy overrated, Had it in my hands and glad I passed on it
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Let’s all be honest - all watches are overpriced, and yet we buy them anyway! For me, no I wouldn’t pay what they’re asking - too many (what I think are) nicer watches I could get for the same money. But the blueish colour is stunning
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… it’s teal. That’s the word you’re looking for
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