One thing to remember, this is Hero Society in Japan. A culture known be super strict with rules and procedure. From what little is touched on towards the end of the Vigilantes series, America is apparently much more lax in regards to unlicensed Quirk usage, so much so that if an unlicensed Quirk user saves someone, they can get hired as a sidekick and get proper training. In Japan, if you're caught using your Quirk without a license, outside of Hero school, for good or ill, that's jail time. It's why when crime happens, even if you have a Quirk to thwart it, you stand back and let the Pros handle it, because you don't have the proper training to use it safely and you could cause more problems than you solve. This will come up in a future season, but when you get a bunch of scared and angry, untrained civilians to unleash their quirks at the slightest sign of trouble... it gets messy.
I gotta agree with the Chief. They had no plan or even idea on how to take down the villain other then Iida who was just going to kick him to death. The kids didn’t have any info of the area and how many other people were there. All it takes is one unlucky ice blast from Half & Half and an innocent hiding nearby is impaled. They had no info on this villain other then he kills Pros, yet they still just ran in and only assessed the situation mid combat. They got lucky this time. If they weren’t then there’s at least 3 more bodies who didn’t need to die. It hasn’t been fully shown yet, but villains will absolutely kill kids if they feel like it. Out of all the villains, Stains one of the more reasonable ones. The homies got hearts of gold, but they still put more lives at risk for selfish reasons then if they just listened to the Pros.
Yeah the chief had it right. "It turned out right' The point being they all could have died (If the plot didn't demand they win) and not changed anything in the first place. (Also they SHOULD have died, the only reason they didn't was the Hero Killer wasn't actually trying to kill them)
@@captin3149 yup if it didn't turn out right then three kids literally just went and looked for their deaths. especially Lida, the Police would and should never agree with this type of vigilantism.
Not to mention that even if it goes right, to accept their actions and let them go public and unpunished, would essentially be equivalent to endorsing unlisenced use of lethal weapons (Quirks, they are kind of treated like weapons, legally speaking) against other people on your own discretion, and by minors no less, so yeah it's a no-brainer to me. I mean, in a different situation they could easily have accidentally killed a villain who had done nothing bad enough to deserve it, or harmed/killed a bystander or eachother, just to bring up other examples of why the idea that "it's fine as long as it turned out right" is preposterous. Sometimes you DO have to bend or break the rules to do the right thing... but then you also take the consequences of that with it because the rule is still there for a reason... or you have a police chief willing to cover for you, I guess :p
@@Arbaaltheundefeatedand they didn't saw trouble and helped like good samaritans, they ran away looking for trouble. Deku was told to stay in the bullet train. Shoto ran away from endeavor and iida was looking for revenge
The reason Stain's ideology is so interesting is because you can't say he's necessarily wrong. The second something altruistic becomes a 'job', helping people becomes the side effect rather than the goal. You can tell the MHA creator loves American super hero comics because it's something touched upon during Marvel's Civil War.
I mean I also do have to kind of disagree with Stain though. If I was a civilian I wouldn't really care if I was saved out of Altruism or because of another reason... As long as I get saved.
@@kunomuller7423 Mmm, but it's principle though. I compare it to the OPM universe where the top heroes won't even bother to show up to any super villains or disasters they think aren't worth their time. And it's not because they're busy, they just think it's beneath them.
I wouldn't say helping people becomes secondary at all. Maybe for some people, but honestly, if you get a job you really like and enjoy, then the pay is secondary. So while there is some truth to what you said, it's not perfect. That wasn't even Stain's argument. His was just about "heroes" acting unlike heroes. Such as Iida acting out of hate and revenge instead of a selfless wish to help people like Midoriya.
The dog's point is that it worked out this time, but that doesn't mean they should keep acting recklessly in the future, because it might not work out in their favor. Also he said the public would applaud the students, not be appalled.
Well the way certain words are pronounced change the meaning simply through tone alone, like and Imma butcher the spelling, "Temei" which literally just means "you" but is used in a aggressive or rude tone equates to cursing at someone or calling them bastard(not in the literal sense). Todorioki here was essentially calling him a mutt cause thats the actual intent behind his tone. The first couple seasons of MHA are super literal in their translations in the Crunchyroll subs at least, and actually aren't as accurate to the conversation's dialogue a lot of the time compared to the dub. The general meaning is largely the same but certain things are missed or too literal to sound like actual speech.
@@In-The-Zonemy guy. The dub is not more accurate than the sub lol. Dub changes a shit ton of dialogue and makes a lot of lines chessier than they actually are
@@GabrielRojasAhumada Doesn't matter if you think its cheese, the conversations between characters are more accurate overall than how the subtitles translates it in the first couple seasons and things that are changed are very minor. Official subtitles quality were lagging behind when CR was still starting up most likely because they couldn't afford larger teams since it wasn't till like 2018 they first ever made a profit.
If people had superpowers but weren't allowed to use them and then you saw that people defeated a villain and seriously injured him without being a pro hero and had no consequences, people would totally see that as "oh so I can use my powers then as long as I'm being helpful... got it!" and that would just lead to chaos.
For the vigilante discussion I think it's important to remember that a vigilante in this universe isn't just a guy with a gun and a knife trying to help people but rather with a weapon of mass destruction. Their heart is in the right place but especially Todoroki and Midoriyas quirks can destroy buildings if used improperly and without a proper hero license theere is no way to know if you have enough control over your quirk. Hell Midoriya doesn't even understand his quirk entirely (Thinking of the incident at the sports festival where he saw the former holders of One for All) To this point the show sadly hasn't showed examples of how horribly wrong using your quirk without proper training can go so the Chief of Polices point is harder to understand.
8:38 He said they’d be applauded by the public, not appalled. He was basically saying if word got out, they’d be known as the heroes who beat the hero-killer, which could be helpful to them as heroes in training, but they’d need to be punished for breaking the law
Arguing with a cop about why effectively police academy trainees shouldn't be shooting people in public. Its important to preserve the ideals but also to be realistic, they havent earned the civic trust to act like that, defying their superiors with lethal actions. This isnt just swerving to avoid a collision, this is shooting a mugger. And you can bet your ass would see some serious blowback from that
I don't think the chief of police was worried about bending the rules or giving them discipline. If you hear his question "Are you saying it's ok to bend the rules as long as everything turns out ok?" I think he's more concerned with the idea that if they broke the rules and it did not work out, then they all would have died and their supervisors would have been responsible for it. The discipline is 100% a part of it, but I think he more so just wants them to stay out of situations that might get them killed this early on.
Stain is an homage to the cliched anti-hero from the Dark Age of Comic Books during the 1990s, where the hero was often morally ambiguous, willing to use lethal force, used weaponry that had little to do with their often strange superpowers (if they had any), and were often motivated by revenge whether it's against an individual or society at large. Characters like Spawn, Cable, Ghost Rider, even Wolverine originated or thrived during this era. But Stain is ironically inspired by superheroes of old, classic paragons that people could unambiguously look up to and emulate without worry. This was a sentiment carried by several superhero authors at the time that felt the genre was getting too cynical, the most famous response being Kurt Busiek's and Alex Ross' masterpiece Kingdom Come: a DC Comics epic where an aged Superman comes out of retirement in an attempt to stave off destruction caused by the new age of "anti-heroes" that emerged from the Justice League's disbanding. Famously the story features a villain known as Magog, who is remarkably similar to Stain, being a 90s anti-hero pastiche who became famous for killing the Joker and inspired a new generation of young "anti-heroes" to follow in his example, lashing out at the heroes he once looked up to for not adapting to the times. Much like Stain to All-Might, Magog even asks that Superman kill him (though it was out of guilt over what he'd done). Much like in MHA, Magog is shown to have a point, but Superman's return showcases why the world need a "symbol of hope" to begin with. Stain's debut only increases the importance of All-Might's role as the Symbol of Peace. Kohei Horikoshi is very clearly a massive fan of American comics (as his own room of collectibles should attest to), but the Stain arc also showcases a very deep understanding of the history of the superhero genre. Or it could be a coincidence, idk.
What the police chief is trying to imply is that yes of course the right thing to do is to save people, that's the entire purpose that heroes were created; to combat the rise of quirk related crimes. However, what he's trying to say is that when you might have explosions coming from your palms, or the ability to shoot fire and ice, or a power passed down from multiple generations gaining strength as it's passed; it's incredibly dangerous to make decisions based on your judgement less than a year into your training, it's vigilantism (which is outlawed in the MHA universe). You can say that yeah its all good because Deku, Todoroki, and Iida stopped the literal hero killing mass murderer, but they just as easily could have misread a situation, acted on impulse and completely torched or brutalized another possibly innocent person (or even just went too far and extra-judicially injured someone who was doing something wrong). In a world where there is a potential for cataclysmic events to occur as a result of which genes someone is born with, everything has to be addressed with extreme caution.
"the guy in the forest with the radio, i wonder who that is." i'll tell you in the least spoilery way possible. he's the living embodiment of a middle finger
The police argument is kind of like, so basically the kids have guns but they shot a murderer to protect someone but didnt manage to kill him. You dont want other kids or people to copy the kid just cuz it turned out ok this one time.
Loving the reactions to MHA so far, looking forward to more! Your commentary's always great because you either do interesting deep dives into various aspects of the show (including appreciation for both the animation and writing), or you become so immersed that your emotions shine through the screen whether you're crying, getting hyped up or anything in-between. I wish people didn't post vague spoilers in the comments around future character names and motivations, since seeing your initial blind reactions and theories is a lot of fun, but I know people are just excited to see you discover something they're so passionate about. In any case, keep up the great work
i feel you haha this episode the first time i watched it, it was the moment i adopted todoroki as one of my mha kids lol. i found him so adorable here.
6:57 There is a thing with this show which isn't explicitly shown but it becomes pretty clear as you watch. This arc in specific being a big hint with stain and all that. The government is Corrupt as hell. most of their laws are biased and unfair and lead to shit happening. the hero system is very much flawed and anyone with decent grades and a flashy super power can become a hero which is a pretty high rank in society. the majority of laws completely disregard the quirkless and have made it nigh impossible to use your quirk in any way that won't make you a villain/vigilante. nothing is what it seems. the world is at chaos. and it seems they are trying really hard to hide that.
the point was , just because they got victory doesnt mean it was the right choice . What if they all get killed , or what if their use of quirk creates even more disastor like destroying the surroundings , causing more problems for the Pro to fix . maybe the person they were going to save get kills in between their actions due to their unsupervised actions . Imagine , you know only the basic of driving a car , but you tried to take someone hospital in a car , breaking al the traffic laws . If you are successfull , you are lucky , but what if you get into an accident , now , we need more than 1 person to admit in hospital.
Ah the Stain Manifesto. The first big tremor to shake the world of MHA. The interesting thing is that Stain isn't actually wrong in his beliefs as we've seen so far and will see in the future. The problem is that he takes those beliefs to the extreme. Unfortunately as pointed out, those beliefs and Stain's charisma have gotten out to the public and now resonating with the villains and outcasts looking to take a piece of the world. And we've gotten our first look at some of the new League of Villains members. I have a feeling you're going to like most of them, especially Toga and Dabi the Charbroiled Scarecrow. There's a few more major members that haven't been shown yet but I think you'll like them too. Most of them are pretty enjoyable characters which continues to be one of MHA's biggest strengths, creating interesting characters that we want to watch, even if they're villains.
The point the Hosu chief was making is, "Even if it turned out good for you, if we as the police don't enforce the law, what happens when someone else does the same thing and it ends badly?" It's the job of the law to be impartial and set boundaries. Unregistered minors acting as vigilantes could just as easily make a situation worse rather than better. If the police show preferential treatment in some cases because "It worked out well." That will be seen as them supporting vigilantism.
I agree with the dog cop, the law shouldn’t be warped. A law exists do AVOID manipulation, or else society would collapse if it means you can find an excuse out of reason & what has been established. If you can break one rule because it seems logically, then someone more cunning will come along & find a reason to break more laws.
It’d be one thing if the kids were defending themselves but Iida went out of his way to look for Stain to get revenge, Deku also went out of his way to look for Stain to save Iida and both Deku and Shoto inserted themselves in a dangerous fight that they had to go out of their way for. Had they been ambushed and fought back this wouldn’t be an issue but they were all participating in vigilantism. Hell, if Iida decided to put his grudge aside when he arrived and grabbed Native and ran, there would be absolutely no rules broken, everyone would have lived and the kids couldn’t risk getting in trouble
im glad you got so into this anime lol your character breakdowns and psychological breakdowns i enjoy very much. it's an awesome layer to your reactions :)
I think the analogy of swerving out of the way is less apt than saying you see someone getting attacked and you're in your car, do you swerve to hit the attacker with your car? That's dangerous for everyone involved and could easily kill any member of that scenario. If it just kills the attacker do we then go "it's cool cause only the bad guy went down" when the action itself is reckless endangerment of all involved?
Reminds me of when a bushfire that got out of hand, houses and a golf course could have been saved as there was a man with an excavator nearby who could have dug some trenches but due to red tape and his boss saying no he wasn’t allowed to, one of my dads friends was willing to steal the keys but didn’t know how to work it 😢 The golf course was burned down and it’s gonna take a miracle to rebuild as apparently it’s over their budget to repair it even after pooling in money for their own accounts
Reminds me of a case here in South Africa, where a kid though he could be the hero, and instead of notifying the sea rescue he decided to go into the rough sea to try and save his friend, his friend was later rescued after another beach goer noticed the kid was hanging on to a a piece of old rotten pier support, the kid who tried to play here washed up on the beach sometime during the night, just because you can, doesn't mean you should the authorities are there for a reason and they are train for such cases. An other case was a farmer running around outside at night looking for some sounds that they believed to be an intruder, police told them to stay inside and lock the doors and windows they are on the way, but the old man decided he knew better and ran around outside with his shotgun untill he tripped in the darkness and fell on his gun, blowing away his lower jaw in the process.
The chief is 100% right It's not about this situation. But if word got out that non certified people used their powers and got off scott free, it could lead to others using their own powers recklessly because they think that as long as things go ok they won't get any punishment. And those situations can quickly get out of hand and lead to real deaths
I feel like the chief of the police being a dogman is a slight nod to Dragonball, where the king of the country is a dogman. ^^ All beware Shoto, the great destroyer of hands! :P There is one thing in which I agree with Stain: Hero should never have been used as the name of a profession, which people work as a job. The word originally meant someone who goes above and beyond their duty or who help even when it isn't their duty at all. But in the HeroAca world, they use hero as a word for the job.... so what do you call people who fit the original meaning of the word? Also we know that some real world heroes, had their fame go to their heads, turning them somewhat controversial later. Did nobody think that having hundreds of people constantly being called heroes, might lead to a couple of ego-trips of the unfortunate variety? Quirk brigade, or quirk division or something or an entirely new word would have prevented someone like Stain rising up from the very start, if nothing else.
to me the thing about bending the rules is more of a "setting an exemple" problem. If you break a rule and it goes well for you, people will do the same, and if it doesn't go well for them, you'll have a share of responsibility for what happened
While I do understand why Iida did what he did(I think most people wouldn't be able to sit still if someone who harmed their family was in front of them), I'm glad the story isn't trying to make it seem like he did the right thing. Stain, a literal murderer, had to point out that Iida was so blinded by revenge that he was literally neglecting an innocent life that needed to be saved. Tunnel vision as a hero is dangerous. Had Izuku and Shoto gotten less lucky during the fight, 4 people would've been lost(or, 3 since Stain wasn't trying to kill Deku) instead of 1. It would be different if the fight came to Iida and he had to defend himself. But he personally went to Hosu to find Stain and THEN sought him out in a dark alley. So yeah. But anyway, we have new villains coming to join the League. Shigaraki doesn't seem too happy about it. But only time will tell.
i mean, bending rules is fine though it will get you in trouble, but Iida went into that alleyway not because he knew he could save somebody, but because he knew he could KILL somebody if he went in to save somebody against all regulations, that would've been at least somewhat okay, but he was there to deck somebody and almost got 2 extra people killed
"Now that's just wasteful." I'm told he canonically plays LoL as a try hard, so.... I see how everyone else is explaining that the rules are a big deal, especially with Iida's intent, so I'll skip that part. "What the dog doing?" Running a tight ship as best he can. And now Stain's been tied to the people he wanted nothing to do with. Which is such delicious irony because if there's one thing he might hate more than alleged fake heroes (though there is definitely a diluting of the heroism), it's villains. Ah, enter disgusting old staple face. Why people think he's hot is beyond me. I'll have things to say about schoolgirl later. Radio Man.... well you'll have to wait and see. Bakugo would probably have a melt down at hearing Deku helped deck a villain while his tempermental but was stuck staying put. 4th kind must be stubborn to keep hitting them when they can armor up faster than he can attack. For Momo, the commercial was the bad appetizer selection of this internship. Gunhead is a surprisingly supportive sensei. Torino will always be sensei to All Might. Time has roughed the image of Stain for me. He has points, but he could be doing so much more to make them known conscience or not. He could be far more of a monster with a message than murking low level randos. Stain has unwittingly become a beacon for the LoV. A magnet to those who idolize him. Oh how he'd scream if he knew that he was inspiring more villains to not only rise, but join together. All For One. A name that speaks to a monster's aim. A back room arms deal for an age of licensed capes... though honestly..... some quirks are seriously outclassed by firearms, or could utilize firearms to drastically enhance capability. All Might is not Batman, he's Superman. But without a League. Stain gave up on peaceful reform, and there is one highway left after that. Violent upheaval. Though he could have lashed out at the companies cashing in on hero branding to better make his point. Regardless, he has enraptured people with dark minds and lit a fire under the old guard of the shadows. And things shall not settle back into the old status quo.
fact was, they are NOT heroes. they are kids, still learning about their ability and how to control it. without control, they could VERY easily hurt bystanders, themselves, or criminals. this is why they are supervised, and they ignored that. they were just lucky they didnt die or kill someone, as they are not at that level of ability and control yet.
I do think it’s weird, at least from an American perspective that there aren’t any sort of Good Samaritan or self defense laws for the use of quirks against bad actors.
( 9:19 I always wonder for animal quirks like-- dang they could be so offended 19:00 oh my gosh (And then I respond to the assumption like I'm some kind of short-term time traveler Though the situation isn't like 19:34 this
You can kinda say that the Hero killer left a stain in the story that enabled it to be overhauled and gently rebounced in a completely another way than before solving the lack of villains in the league of villains. It kinda liberated it. ;)
Native would have perished if Iida had not gone looking for revenge, but if he was a better hero, he would not have gone looking for revenge and endangered all 3 of their lives in the process.
Woa woa woa woa, he is teased this early???, the dude in the forest with the radio, I refuse to say the name cause might be considered spoiler for anyone curious enough to Google it lul
Well I was going to mention the purpose of having rules and following them despite whether it is more evil to do so but everyone else seems to have latched onto it too so nevermind.
This episode annoys me 1. Because an innocent man would’ve died had they not intervened as the rules would’ve dictated, but more annoyingly because 2. The pro hero who was almost killed almost certainly knew this rule and at any time could’ve sanctioned their actions in the moment making it a non issue or at least lied after the fact to let the kids that saved him off the hook
The sheer amount of leather eating in the comments, Jesus.... If you see something and can do something, you should. Any society that says 'Yes, you helped someone at risk to yourself, but you see this piece of paper says you should have watched the child drown' is a society that needs to be rectified.
well i havent read any of the other comments at all but thought it would be good to mention that there is movies for bnha. pretty sure one took place between s1 and s2, one is upcoming and the other is like between s4-s5? definitely worth a watch even if you dont wanna upload a reaction
Dont know if you know about the my hero movies in-between the series there are 3 my hero academia movies the first one (two hero's) takes place in-between season 2 and 3 so if you're able to I'd highly recommend reacting to them they're brilliant
I reckon Alicia would like "villian Deku" fan comic where it explores the hypocrisy of hero society more with the what if.... Instead of being given One for All hero society demonises Deku as a reckless kid who endangered a situation by charging in so that hero agency can protect the image of the heroes there unable to act to save bakugo This basically ruins Deku's life & in his despair he's one of those inspired by the hero killer & joins the villains as a quirkless strategist Seen some pretty good villian Deku stories though too many spoilers in them to check out until much further on with MHA
Loved the episode as always and yeah the scene if Deku and URaruaka is too cute, innocent beans the both of them and Gunhead is happy for other people good things cool guy. Also I think All might is more like superman, difference being All might is the simbol of peace, his pressence alone makes villans doubt of doing anything, Whille sups is hope, that all will be good at the end that there is a way out and that good always comes out on top. Still both cool and insipiring heroes. (please people no war in the responses you would think it is not needed but I have seen them start so NO) Now *SPOILERS* sorry Alicia area not for you until much later like 5th season so there is a long way JAJAJAAJA Alicia como haces loca, jaja she is too good at guesing things AFO might not have planed for Stain but he is an Eizen level fucker, he has a plan with multiple ways to result and multiple plans for each outcome, and on top of that backup plans for them and backups for those and the list goes on for a while.
Huh? The sketchy part is how they build narratives and changed the narrative of what happened for what they perceive as the betterment for the public. Similar to the biases within media in general. Instead of saying that I just said it’s sketchy lol
Love the police hiding truth from the public and deliberately failing to enforce regulations concerning use of lethal force in order to protect future careers of spec ops officers/celebrities in training and their own public image. Great stuff.
The police chief walked in and immediately proved Stain right by proving this superhero society is hot trash. It is literally illegal to defend yourself or others without a liscense.
the dog mans missing the point of having people in the battlefield instead of drones, people can adapt to a changing situation that goes outside of our against the plan, they made the call instead of waiting for orders and letting people die... thats the point of a soldier with a brain to have that ability.
This is one of those times where I can't help but get a bit political, as this speaks to an issue within this entire society. Every person has the right to defend their own person, and those next to them, by any means. When you restrict that in any way, then the advantage goes to vicious, predatory people, turning good, innocent, law-abiding people into their prey. That is tyranny, and it endangers people on a massive scale, despite being supposedly done to "protect" them. You cannot keep people safe by depriving them of the means with which to fight back. It is enraging to see the people who stepped up and brought down a violent criminal be threatened by the law. And that is an honest reflection of a government which deprives its people of guns, among other things. Every notice how rare those are in anime, where they use knives instead?
One thing to remember, this is Hero Society in Japan. A culture known be super strict with rules and procedure. From what little is touched on towards the end of the Vigilantes series, America is apparently much more lax in regards to unlicensed Quirk usage, so much so that if an unlicensed Quirk user saves someone, they can get hired as a sidekick and get proper training.
In Japan, if you're caught using your Quirk without a license, outside of Hero school, for good or ill, that's jail time. It's why when crime happens, even if you have a Quirk to thwart it, you stand back and let the Pros handle it, because you don't have the proper training to use it safely and you could cause more problems than you solve.
This will come up in a future season, but when you get a bunch of scared and angry, untrained civilians to unleash their quirks at the slightest sign of trouble... it gets messy.
I gotta agree with the Chief. They had no plan or even idea on how to take down the villain other then Iida who was just going to kick him to death. The kids didn’t have any info of the area and how many other people were there. All it takes is one unlucky ice blast from Half & Half and an innocent hiding nearby is impaled. They had no info on this villain other then he kills Pros, yet they still just ran in and only assessed the situation mid combat. They got lucky this time. If they weren’t then there’s at least 3 more bodies who didn’t need to die. It hasn’t been fully shown yet, but villains will absolutely kill kids if they feel like it. Out of all the villains, Stains one of the more reasonable ones. The homies got hearts of gold, but they still put more lives at risk for selfish reasons then if they just listened to the Pros.
5:47 The point is that in dangerous situations you can bend the rules but you gotta be ready for the punishment after
Yeah the chief had it right. "It turned out right' The point being they all could have died (If the plot didn't demand they win) and not changed anything in the first place. (Also they SHOULD have died, the only reason they didn't was the Hero Killer wasn't actually trying to kill them)
@@captin3149 yup if it didn't turn out right then three kids literally just went and looked for their deaths. especially Lida, the Police would and should never agree with this type of vigilantism.
Not to mention that even if it goes right, to accept their actions and let them go public and unpunished, would essentially be equivalent to endorsing unlisenced use of lethal weapons (Quirks, they are kind of treated like weapons, legally speaking) against other people on your own discretion, and by minors no less, so yeah it's a no-brainer to me. I mean, in a different situation they could easily have accidentally killed a villain who had done nothing bad enough to deserve it, or harmed/killed a bystander or eachother, just to bring up other examples of why the idea that "it's fine as long as it turned out right" is preposterous. Sometimes you DO have to bend or break the rules to do the right thing... but then you also take the consequences of that with it because the rule is still there for a reason... or you have a police chief willing to cover for you, I guess :p
@@Arbaaltheundefeatedand they didn't saw trouble and helped like good samaritans, they ran away looking for trouble. Deku was told to stay in the bullet train. Shoto ran away from endeavor and iida was looking for revenge
hypotetical if they did get charged the self defense act won't work right?
The reason Stain's ideology is so interesting is because you can't say he's necessarily wrong. The second something altruistic becomes a 'job', helping people becomes the side effect rather than the goal. You can tell the MHA creator loves American super hero comics because it's something touched upon during Marvel's Civil War.
I mean I also do have to kind of disagree with Stain though. If I was a civilian I wouldn't really care if I was saved out of Altruism or because of another reason... As long as I get saved.
The idea is absolutely right! The means he uses to achieve that though...
@@kunomuller7423 Mmm, but it's principle though. I compare it to the OPM universe where the top heroes won't even bother to show up to any super villains or disasters they think aren't worth their time. And it's not because they're busy, they just think it's beneath them.
yeah, he's a compelling anti-hero
I wouldn't say helping people becomes secondary at all. Maybe for some people, but honestly, if you get a job you really like and enjoy, then the pay is secondary. So while there is some truth to what you said, it's not perfect. That wasn't even Stain's argument. His was just about "heroes" acting unlike heroes. Such as Iida acting out of hate and revenge instead of a selfless wish to help people like Midoriya.
The dog's point is that it worked out this time, but that doesn't mean they should keep acting recklessly in the future, because it might not work out in their favor. Also he said the public would applaud the students, not be appalled.
In the English dub todoriki straight up called the chief a damn mutt and I was like damn that’s kinda uncalled for even in this situation
Well the way certain words are pronounced change the meaning simply through tone alone, like and Imma butcher the spelling, "Temei" which literally just means "you" but is used in a aggressive or rude tone equates to cursing at someone or calling them bastard(not in the literal sense). Todorioki here was essentially calling him a mutt cause thats the actual intent behind his tone. The first couple seasons of MHA are super literal in their translations in the Crunchyroll subs at least, and actually aren't as accurate to the conversation's dialogue a lot of the time compared to the dub. The general meaning is largely the same but certain things are missed or too literal to sound like actual speech.
@@In-The-Zonemy guy. The dub is not more accurate than the sub lol. Dub changes a shit ton of dialogue and makes a lot of lines chessier than they actually are
@@GabrielRojasAhumada Doesn't matter if you think its cheese, the conversations between characters are more accurate overall than how the subtitles translates it in the first couple seasons and things that are changed are very minor. Official subtitles quality were lagging behind when CR was still starting up most likely because they couldn't afford larger teams since it wasn't till like 2018 they first ever made a profit.
@@In-The-Zone so it is more accurate because you, a translator specialized in japanese said so?
@@GabrielRojasAhumada Sure, whatever floats your boat
If people had superpowers but weren't allowed to use them and then you saw that people defeated a villain and seriously injured him without being a pro hero and had no consequences, people would totally see that as "oh so I can use my powers then as long as I'm being helpful... got it!" and that would just lead to chaos.
11:48 I can’t believe you said that about Backpack Boy, the strongest character in the whole anime
For the vigilante discussion I think it's important to remember that a vigilante in this universe isn't just a guy with a gun and a knife trying to help people but rather with a weapon of mass destruction.
Their heart is in the right place but especially Todoroki and Midoriyas quirks can destroy buildings if used improperly and without a proper hero license theere is no way to know if you have enough control over your quirk. Hell Midoriya doesn't even understand his quirk entirely (Thinking of the incident at the sports festival where he saw the former holders of One for All)
To this point the show sadly hasn't showed examples of how horribly wrong using your quirk without proper training can go so the Chief of Polices point is harder to understand.
8:38 He said they’d be applauded by the public, not appalled. He was basically saying if word got out, they’d be known as the heroes who beat the hero-killer, which could be helpful to them as heroes in training, but they’d need to be punished for breaking the law
Alicia, you're arguing about bending the rules... with a cop.
What an interesting concept, never seen IRL.
The CHIEF cop even.
Arguing with a cop about why effectively police academy trainees shouldn't be shooting people in public.
Its important to preserve the ideals but also to be realistic, they havent earned the civic trust to act like that, defying their superiors with lethal actions.
This isnt just swerving to avoid a collision, this is shooting a mugger. And you can bet your ass would see some serious blowback from that
I don't think the chief of police was worried about bending the rules or giving them discipline. If you hear his question "Are you saying it's ok to bend the rules as long as everything turns out ok?"
I think he's more concerned with the idea that if they broke the rules and it did not work out, then they all would have died and their supervisors would have been responsible for it. The discipline is 100% a part of it, but I think he more so just wants them to stay out of situations that might get them killed this early on.
Stain is an homage to the cliched anti-hero from the Dark Age of Comic Books during the 1990s, where the hero was often morally ambiguous, willing to use lethal force, used weaponry that had little to do with their often strange superpowers (if they had any), and were often motivated by revenge whether it's against an individual or society at large. Characters like Spawn, Cable, Ghost Rider, even Wolverine originated or thrived during this era.
But Stain is ironically inspired by superheroes of old, classic paragons that people could unambiguously look up to and emulate without worry. This was a sentiment carried by several superhero authors at the time that felt the genre was getting too cynical, the most famous response being Kurt Busiek's and Alex Ross' masterpiece Kingdom Come: a DC Comics epic where an aged Superman comes out of retirement in an attempt to stave off destruction caused by the new age of "anti-heroes" that emerged from the Justice League's disbanding.
Famously the story features a villain known as Magog, who is remarkably similar to Stain, being a 90s anti-hero pastiche who became famous for killing the Joker and inspired a new generation of young "anti-heroes" to follow in his example, lashing out at the heroes he once looked up to for not adapting to the times. Much like Stain to All-Might, Magog even asks that Superman kill him (though it was out of guilt over what he'd done).
Much like in MHA, Magog is shown to have a point, but Superman's return showcases why the world need a "symbol of hope" to begin with. Stain's debut only increases the importance of All-Might's role as the Symbol of Peace.
Kohei Horikoshi is very clearly a massive fan of American comics (as his own room of collectibles should attest to), but the Stain arc also showcases a very deep understanding of the history of the superhero genre.
Or it could be a coincidence, idk.
In some ways, Stain is more evocative of the rightly forgotten of the Dark Age. At least aesthetically.
Applauded, not appalled. He’s saying the public would see them as true heroes.
What the police chief is trying to imply is that yes of course the right thing to do is to save people, that's the entire purpose that heroes were created; to combat the rise of quirk related crimes. However, what he's trying to say is that when you might have explosions coming from your palms, or the ability to shoot fire and ice, or a power passed down from multiple generations gaining strength as it's passed; it's incredibly dangerous to make decisions based on your judgement less than a year into your training, it's vigilantism (which is outlawed in the MHA universe).
You can say that yeah its all good because Deku, Todoroki, and Iida stopped the literal hero killing mass murderer, but they just as easily could have misread a situation, acted on impulse and completely torched or brutalized another possibly innocent person (or even just went too far and extra-judicially injured someone who was doing something wrong). In a world where there is a potential for cataclysmic events to occur as a result of which genes someone is born with, everything has to be addressed with extreme caution.
"the guy in the forest with the radio, i wonder who that is." i'll tell you in the least spoilery way possible. he's the living embodiment of a middle finger
That is uncannily accurate.
@@spandanganguli6903 physically holding myself back from further elaboration because GOOD LORD.
this is fucking hilarious i never even noticed they showed him so early
I read this and was like, "... my guy, I want to disagree, but I can't."
That's all I'll say on the matter so neither of us get spoiler-y.
stronger than mineta
It's one of those weird ideologies where yeah he's raising good points, but the means doesn't justify the ends
Complimenting toga for looking cute, completely disregarding the bloody corpse right behind her😨
Toga simps in a nutshell.
All the best gals be a bit crazy….more interesting that way….
hey, Toga is adorable. yeah she might kill people too but shes damn cute doing it
The police argument is kind of like, so basically the kids have guns but they shot a murderer to protect someone but didnt manage to kill him. You dont want other kids or people to copy the kid just cuz it turned out ok this one time.
Loving the reactions to MHA so far, looking forward to more! Your commentary's always great because you either do interesting deep dives into various aspects of the show (including appreciation for both the animation and writing), or you become so immersed that your emotions shine through the screen whether you're crying, getting hyped up or anything in-between.
I wish people didn't post vague spoilers in the comments around future character names and motivations, since seeing your initial blind reactions and theories is a lot of fun, but I know people are just excited to see you discover something they're so passionate about. In any case, keep up the great work
i feel you haha this episode the first time i watched it, it was the moment i adopted todoroki as one of my mha kids lol. i found him so adorable here.
6:57 There is a thing with this show which isn't explicitly shown but it becomes pretty clear as you watch.
This arc in specific being a big hint with stain and all that.
The government is Corrupt as hell.
most of their laws are biased and unfair and lead to shit happening.
the hero system is very much flawed and anyone with decent grades and a flashy super power can become a hero which is a pretty high rank in society.
the majority of laws completely disregard the quirkless and have made it nigh impossible to use your quirk in any way that won't make you a villain/vigilante.
nothing is what it seems. the world is at chaos. and it seems they are trying really hard to hide that.
Stain is such a cool character cause it really brings a lot of the gray area of the world into play.
the point was , just because they got victory doesnt mean it was the right choice . What if they all get killed , or what if their use of quirk creates even more disastor like destroying the surroundings , causing more problems for the Pro to fix . maybe the person they were going to save get kills in between their actions due to their unsupervised actions .
Imagine , you know only the basic of driving a car , but you tried to take someone hospital in a car , breaking al the traffic laws .
If you are successfull , you are lucky , but what if you get into an accident , now , we need more than 1 person to admit in hospital.
Ah the Stain Manifesto. The first big tremor to shake the world of MHA.
The interesting thing is that Stain isn't actually wrong in his beliefs as we've seen so far and will see in the future. The problem is that he takes those beliefs to the extreme. Unfortunately as pointed out, those beliefs and Stain's charisma have gotten out to the public and now resonating with the villains and outcasts looking to take a piece of the world.
And we've gotten our first look at some of the new League of Villains members. I have a feeling you're going to like most of them, especially Toga and Dabi the Charbroiled Scarecrow. There's a few more major members that haven't been shown yet but I think you'll like them too. Most of them are pretty enjoyable characters which continues to be one of MHA's biggest strengths, creating interesting characters that we want to watch, even if they're villains.
The point the Hosu chief was making is, "Even if it turned out good for you, if we as the police don't enforce the law, what happens when someone else does the same thing and it ends badly?" It's the job of the law to be impartial and set boundaries. Unregistered minors acting as vigilantes could just as easily make a situation worse rather than better. If the police show preferential treatment in some cases because "It worked out well." That will be seen as them supporting vigilantism.
I agree with the dog cop, the law shouldn’t be warped. A law exists do AVOID manipulation, or else society would collapse if it means you can find an excuse out of reason & what has been established. If you can break one rule because it seems logically, then someone more cunning will come along & find a reason to break more laws.
It’d be one thing if the kids were defending themselves but Iida went out of his way to look for Stain to get revenge, Deku also went out of his way to look for Stain to save Iida and both Deku and Shoto inserted themselves in a dangerous fight that they had to go out of their way for. Had they been ambushed and fought back this wouldn’t be an issue but they were all participating in vigilantism.
Hell, if Iida decided to put his grudge aside when he arrived and grabbed Native and ran, there would be absolutely no rules broken, everyone would have lived and the kids couldn’t risk getting in trouble
im glad you got so into this anime lol your character breakdowns and psychological breakdowns i enjoy very much. it's an awesome layer to your reactions :)
I think the analogy of swerving out of the way is less apt than saying you see someone getting attacked and you're in your car, do you swerve to hit the attacker with your car? That's dangerous for everyone involved and could easily kill any member of that scenario. If it just kills the attacker do we then go "it's cool cause only the bad guy went down" when the action itself is reckless endangerment of all involved?
Reminds me of when a bushfire that got out of hand, houses and a golf course could have been saved as there was a man with an excavator nearby who could have dug some trenches but due to red tape and his boss saying no he wasn’t allowed to, one of my dads friends was willing to steal the keys but didn’t know how to work it 😢
The golf course was burned down and it’s gonna take a miracle to rebuild as apparently it’s over their budget to repair it even after pooling in money for their own accounts
Reminds me of a case here in South Africa, where a kid though he could be the hero, and instead of notifying the sea rescue he decided to go into the rough sea to try and save his friend, his friend was later rescued after another beach goer noticed the kid was hanging on to a a piece of old rotten pier support, the kid who tried to play here washed up on the beach sometime during the night, just because you can, doesn't mean you should the authorities are there for a reason and they are train for such cases. An other case was a farmer running around outside at night looking for some sounds that they believed to be an intruder, police told them to stay inside and lock the doors and windows they are on the way, but the old man decided he knew better and ran around outside with his shotgun untill he tripped in the darkness and fell on his gun, blowing away his lower jaw in the process.
Not Alica “Who’s a good boy”-ing a grown ass human man who’s the chief of police
Handy Man: Huh, and who are you?
Shoto: I'm the Hand Crusher.
Handy Man: ....Mom please come pick me up I'm scared.
I am actually hyped for her to see season 3 bro she gon love that.
The chief is 100% right
It's not about this situation. But if word got out that non certified people used their powers and got off scott free, it could lead to others using their own powers recklessly because they think that as long as things go ok they won't get any punishment. And those situations can quickly get out of hand and lead to real deaths
12:55 she's finally here! My favorite character in the whole show! OMG I'm so happy 🎉
I feel like the chief of the police being a dogman is a slight nod to Dragonball, where the king of the country is a dogman. ^^
All beware Shoto, the great destroyer of hands! :P
There is one thing in which I agree with Stain: Hero should never have been used as the name of a profession, which people work as a job. The word originally meant someone who goes above and beyond their duty or who help even when it isn't their duty at all. But in the HeroAca world, they use hero as a word for the job.... so what do you call people who fit the original meaning of the word?
Also we know that some real world heroes, had their fame go to their heads, turning them somewhat controversial later. Did nobody think that having hundreds of people constantly being called heroes, might lead to a couple of ego-trips of the unfortunate variety?
Quirk brigade, or quirk division or something or an entirely new word would have prevented someone like Stain rising up from the very start, if nothing else.
to me the thing about bending the rules is more of a "setting an exemple" problem. If you break a rule and it goes well for you, people will do the same, and if it doesn't go well for them, you'll have a share of responsibility for what happened
While I do understand why Iida did what he did(I think most people wouldn't be able to sit still if someone who harmed their family was in front of them), I'm glad the story isn't trying to make it seem like he did the right thing. Stain, a literal murderer, had to point out that Iida was so blinded by revenge that he was literally neglecting an innocent life that needed to be saved. Tunnel vision as a hero is dangerous. Had Izuku and Shoto gotten less lucky during the fight, 4 people would've been lost(or, 3 since Stain wasn't trying to kill Deku) instead of 1. It would be different if the fight came to Iida and he had to defend himself. But he personally went to Hosu to find Stain and THEN sought him out in a dark alley. So yeah.
But anyway, we have new villains coming to join the League. Shigaraki doesn't seem too happy about it. But only time will tell.
Ahh Toga, the community's little chaotic scrunkly.
I never would have thought "scrunkly" would define a crazy person perfectly but it actually kinda does
i'd advocate the title for Dabi, but Toga is certainly acceptable.
Shoto say “we was about to come to blows” 😂😂 he was ready to whoop the chief’s ass 😂😂😂
Bend rules to save people? I would say that very much depend on the rules being bend.
Im excited for you to meet more of the villians
i mean, bending rules is fine though it will get you in trouble, but Iida went into that alleyway not because he knew he could save somebody, but because he knew he could KILL somebody
if he went in to save somebody against all regulations, that would've been at least somewhat okay, but he was there to deck somebody and almost got 2 extra people killed
"Now that's just wasteful." I'm told he canonically plays LoL as a try hard, so....
I see how everyone else is explaining that the rules are a big deal, especially with Iida's intent, so I'll skip that part.
"What the dog doing?" Running a tight ship as best he can.
And now Stain's been tied to the people he wanted nothing to do with. Which is such delicious irony because if there's one thing he might hate more than alleged fake heroes (though there is definitely a diluting of the heroism), it's villains.
Ah, enter disgusting old staple face. Why people think he's hot is beyond me.
I'll have things to say about schoolgirl later.
Radio Man.... well you'll have to wait and see.
Bakugo would probably have a melt down at hearing Deku helped deck a villain while his tempermental but was stuck staying put.
4th kind must be stubborn to keep hitting them when they can armor up faster than he can attack.
For Momo, the commercial was the bad appetizer selection of this internship.
Gunhead is a surprisingly supportive sensei.
Torino will always be sensei to All Might.
Time has roughed the image of Stain for me. He has points, but he could be doing so much more to make them known conscience or not. He could be far more of a monster with a message than murking low level randos.
Stain has unwittingly become a beacon for the LoV. A magnet to those who idolize him. Oh how he'd scream if he knew that he was inspiring more villains to not only rise, but join together.
All For One. A name that speaks to a monster's aim.
A back room arms deal for an age of licensed capes... though honestly..... some quirks are seriously outclassed by firearms, or could utilize firearms to drastically enhance capability.
All Might is not Batman, he's Superman. But without a League.
Stain gave up on peaceful reform, and there is one highway left after that. Violent upheaval. Though he could have lashed out at the companies cashing in on hero branding to better make his point. Regardless, he has enraptured people with dark minds and lit a fire under the old guard of the shadows. And things shall not settle back into the old status quo.
fact was, they are NOT heroes. they are kids, still learning about their ability and how to control it. without control, they could VERY easily hurt bystanders, themselves, or criminals. this is why they are supervised, and they ignored that. they were just lucky they didnt die or kill someone, as they are not at that level of ability and control yet.
I do think it’s weird, at least from an American perspective that there aren’t any sort of Good Samaritan or self defense laws for the use of quirks against bad actors.
( 9:19 I always wonder for animal quirks like-- dang they could be so offended
19:00 oh my gosh
(And then I respond to the assumption like I'm some kind of short-term time traveler
Though the situation isn't like 19:34 this
You can kinda say that the Hero killer left a stain in the story that enabled it to be overhauled and gently rebounced in a completely another way than before solving the lack of villains in the league of villains. It kinda liberated it. ;)
Native would have perished if Iida had not gone looking for revenge, but if he was a better hero, he would not have gone looking for revenge and endangered all 3 of their lives in the process.
And so Stain's ideology spreads...I have a guess as to what characters you might like. Will wait and see. Thanks for the reaction as always.
Woa woa woa woa, he is teased this early???, the dude in the forest with the radio, I refuse to say the name cause might be considered spoiler for anyone curious enough to Google it lul
Well I was going to mention the purpose of having rules and following them despite whether it is more evil to do so but everyone else seems to have latched onto it too so nevermind.
This episode annoys me 1. Because an innocent man would’ve died had they not intervened as the rules would’ve dictated, but more annoyingly because 2. The pro hero who was almost killed almost certainly knew this rule and at any time could’ve sanctioned their actions in the moment making it a non issue or at least lied after the fact to let the kids that saved him off the hook
Fun... Rumor: The Prequel Spinoff series to MHA, Vigilante, is getting an anime. No date yet given.
The sheer amount of leather eating in the comments, Jesus....
If you see something and can do something, you should. Any society that says 'Yes, you helped someone at risk to yourself, but you see this piece of paper says you should have watched the child drown' is a society that needs to be rectified.
well i havent read any of the other comments at all but thought it would be good to mention that there is movies for bnha. pretty sure one took place between s1 and s2, one is upcoming and the other is like between s4-s5?
definitely worth a watch even if you dont wanna upload a reaction
1st movie takes place between Season 2 and 3
2nd movie takes place in the middle of Season 5
Third movie takes place during the end of Season 5.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 yeah thanks for the correction, knew i was a bit off but ive been up for like 50hrs now
Dont know if you know about the my hero movies in-between the series there are 3 my hero academia movies the first one (two hero's) takes place in-between season 2 and 3 so if you're able to I'd highly recommend reacting to them they're brilliant
I reckon Alicia would like "villian Deku" fan comic where it explores the hypocrisy of hero society more with the what if....
Instead of being given One for All hero society demonises Deku as a reckless kid who endangered a situation by charging in so that hero agency can protect the image of the heroes there unable to act to save bakugo
This basically ruins Deku's life & in his despair he's one of those inspired by the hero killer & joins the villains as a quirkless strategist
Seen some pretty good villian Deku stories though too many spoilers in them to check out until much further on with MHA
Todoroki, we call it the Skywalker curse.
Are you going to watch the movie? MHA: two heroes takes place between seasons 2 and 3
Loved the episode as always and yeah the scene if Deku and URaruaka is too cute, innocent beans the both of them and Gunhead is happy for other people good things cool guy. Also I think All might is more like superman, difference being All might is the simbol of peace, his pressence alone makes villans doubt of doing anything, Whille sups is hope, that all will be good at the end that there is a way out and that good always comes out on top. Still both cool and insipiring heroes. (please people no war in the responses you would think it is not needed but I have seen them start so NO)
Now *SPOILERS* sorry Alicia area not for you until much later like 5th season so there is a long way
JAJAJAAJA Alicia como haces loca, jaja she is too good at guesing things AFO might not have planed for Stain but he is an Eizen level fucker, he has a plan with multiple ways to result and multiple plans for each outcome, and on top of that backup plans for them and backups for those and the list goes on for a while.
Its not really sketchy he gave them the option to lose the fame and glory of capturing him but keep their records clean as well
Huh? The sketchy part is how they build narratives and changed the narrative of what happened for what they perceive as the betterment for the public. Similar to the biases within media in general. Instead of saying that I just said it’s sketchy lol
Ah yes Toga, AKA 2nd best girl
And one of the best written characters in the series. In my opinion.
I thought it was 3rd🤔
Ofc Emilia's first
@@mrfriespotato2834 who's that?
@@thespork1905 rezero reference
Stains got conquers haki
Love the police hiding truth from the public and deliberately failing to enforce regulations concerning use of lethal force in order to protect future careers of spec ops officers/celebrities in training and their own public image. Great stuff.
Dabi is my favorite character but I can’t explain why just yet
Has someone told Alicia about the new Horimiya season that just dropped?
Staples cause even demons cant get him
The guy that’s depressed, oh ma’am you have NO IDEA
PROTECT DA BABY!
The police chief walked in and immediately proved Stain right by proving this superhero society is hot trash. It is literally illegal to defend yourself or others without a liscense.
29:44 "This staply ass dude looks depressed as shit."
Me: Oh you have NO idea.
the dog mans missing the point of having people in the battlefield instead of drones, people can adapt to a changing situation that goes outside of our against the plan, they made the call instead of waiting for orders and letting people die... thats the point of a soldier with a brain to have that ability.
Sh3 gonna be a sweet mommy some day! She will have to have a Vtuber model made for the baby and stream with him/her.
That's best girl right there.
Yes! Toga!
* Sees Toga * Aww heck! we have a YANDERE!
You would perish if you watched Demon Slayer. Such a beautiful and emotional work of fiction
great video alic
Best gurl, let’s go!!!
Hey Alicia! It's been a looooong while since I've seen your videos due to various reasons.
How have you been?
Staple Boi has every right to be depressed
Lfg its time for best girl
Alicia looks like Horimiya started up yesterday.
Woof!
Spoiler to the black haired staples guy
29:43 it looks cool? Talk about ironic am I right?
This is one of those times where I can't help but get a bit political, as this speaks to an issue within this entire society. Every person has the right to defend their own person, and those next to them, by any means. When you restrict that in any way, then the advantage goes to vicious, predatory people, turning good, innocent, law-abiding people into their prey. That is tyranny, and it endangers people on a massive scale, despite being supposedly done to "protect" them. You cannot keep people safe by depriving them of the means with which to fight back.
It is enraging to see the people who stepped up and brought down a violent criminal be threatened by the law.
And that is an honest reflection of a government which deprives its people of guns, among other things. Every notice how rare those are in anime, where they use knives instead?
we both said what da dog doin at the same time lmaoo
🧡🧡🧡
Himiko-sama!!!!
(I'm sorry LoL)
What i dont get is why not say they gave the kids permission to help wherever needed. Or something
29:44 "This staply ass dude looks depressed as shit."
Me: Oh you have NO idea.