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I can see that you're about to react to 3x5 of my hero next. As a fan, might i suggest that before watching episode 3x11 (arguably one of the greatest episodes of mha ever) that you take the time to watch a 3 minute OVA titled "ALL MIGHT RISING" you can find it here on TH-cam. Note its only in Japanese but its an Extremely important 3 minute OVA that ties all the emotions together regarding All Might his predecessor, and All For One. Crucial before watching 3x11
@@hkaayaakuu ok, I was joking and we are talking about an anime, not about real racism. In a fantastical world with Quirks and people who have dog heads, I bet there is a lot of racism of different types, so how about you calm down and stop trying to cause problems. :)
Can’t believe we have all missed it. We heard Shoto’s perfect hero name in this episode. The Cursed Hero, Handcrusher. Who said the power truly MUST match the name lol.
One thing that we need to remeember about the kids being somewhat scolded for fighting Stain: Iida basically BEGGED for a fight. If he wanted to "help", he shouldve tried to flee with the pro hero who was under attack, which is what Stain called out. He never should have fought Stain, and Iida is particularly good at running with his quirk, so it's good for him to be scolded here.
@@BlakeN-o6lYou’re both right. Even in the context of US self defense laws, there are caveats, like a duty to retreat, that Iida failed to meet. We also have laws against vigilante justice in the US, and historically, many times, the “good guy with a gun” who stopped an active shooter has been killed by police arriving on scene in the confusion
Which is absolutely true ida's actions were purely selfish, but Izuku and Todorki's were'nt. Infact they were doing everything they possibly could to let the pro's know while dealing with an incredibly difficult situation. The pro's took ten minutes to get there, if those two had'nt intervined IDa and Native would've been killed and Stain would've been long gone.
I mean, the kids were in the wrong by the letter of the law no matter what because they were unlicensed. They had no authority to act without any permission granted by the actual authorities responsible for supervising them, and all three of them ditched or blatantly ignored what their supervising authorities actually told them to do. The fact that Stain called Iida out on his mistake specifically isn't the most significant part of the problem with Iida's conduct, especially when Stain was the one causing danger in Native's case, and Stain was the one who created the revenge problem by crippling Tensei. His criticism of Iida was superficially true, but he had no moral authority to exercise over Iida in the first place because his own actions were not disconnected from that entire situation.
You guys have to keep in mind that not all countries have a concept of "self defense." If you kill or hurt someone saving your life or someone else's, you are still charged for whatever harm you do.
its not really self defense, its more like having a gun or a car, the point of the law is to limit collateral damage with a dangerous object and make sure those who use their natural abilities are responsible with it, which is why the latter half of the season 4 exists
@@nuhrii3449it rubs me the wrong way. No one should have their natural abilities barred from them. Reminds me of the short science fiction story Harrison Bergeron
@@adamyoung6797 kinda necessary when ones as uraraka's, todoroki's, mina's, kaminari's, bakugo's, or deku's exist, these are incredibility dangerous that can easily cause permanent injury and/or death when misused, and thats just among class a.
@@nuhrii3449 How is it not self defense? They literally used their powers to STOP AN ACTIVE MURDER in an abandoned alley. The chief wasn't against their actions, his only point was that they were unlicensed. The issue with that philosophy is the fact that quirks are natural-born and unique physical abilities, NOT property. No government has the legitimate authority to grant that type of license. It would be considered a human rights violation by most 1st world standards. However, they CAN hold you responsible for endangering the public. Preventing a murder with 0 bystander injuries would be impossible to classify as "reckless" or "dangerous" by any definition or court room process. Even if the police in MHA decided to charge them, the case would be thrown out by the justice system because it would be considered a waste of court time and resources to prosecute.
@@garxgar thats not the problem, you fundamentally dont understand what happened, it was not self defense, because they had injected themselves in the situation, which is the problem, this is vigilantism. remember the lines, "just because it all went well, does that make it okay", because they did commit a crime, the crime of using their powers while being minor, without a license, and without orders from a supervisor, they cannot be allowed to flaunt the rules, so theyre forced to punish them for breaking the law, despite public opinion. also the government has does have that right, because quirks are very dangerous, so they have to be regulated by law, which is point in the latter half of season 4 and season 5, i think they make that point very clear early on though
There's a spin-off manga, called My Hero Academia: Vigilantes, that covers three people who're doing unlicensed hero work (and illegal street performances, in the case of one of them), and their attempts to stay out of trouble with the law. It's a great series, and if it ever gets an anime adaption (and I REALLY hope it does) you should definitely check it out.
I've always said that the Naruhata Hauler is a better protagonist than Deku. I really hope we get to see him, Pop☆Step, the old man, and all the others animated some day.
im so glad the dude explained what dog cheif was saying. my favorite example is always rescue hero 13 who creates black wholes and could very easily kill a villain and civilians but has gone through training and has been given approval to use her power in certain situations. if didnt have this training and used her quirk could cause a whole disaster or even just disintegrate a villain (sure its a criminal but you cant go around being executioner
it does feel shitty for like the random citizen. If I'm walking down the street and some villain attacks me with their quirk then I'm not allowed to use my quirk to fight back. It's crazy that your life can be in danger and legally you just have to hope a hero shows up to save you
While I do understand why Iida did what he did(I think most people wouldn't be able to sit still if someone who harmed their family was in front of them), I'm glad the story isn't trying to make it seem like he did the right thing. Stain, a literal murderer, had to point out that Iida was so blinded by revenge that he was literally neglecting an innocent life that needed to be saved. Tunnel vision as a hero is dangerous. Had Izuku and Shoto gotten less lucky during the fight, 4 people would've been lost(or, 3 since Stain wasn't trying to kill Deku) instead of 1. It would be different if the fight came to Iida and he had to defend himself. But he personally went to Hosu to find Stain and THEN sought him out in a dark alley. So yeah. But anyway, we have new villains coming to join the League. Shigaraki doesn't seem too happy about it. But only time will tell.
@@BlakeN-o6l thats because they are the same. Sure they only went there to save Iida but you can't argue that it was self defence because Midoriya and Todoroki both attacked stain before he attacked them. They both are powerful enough to kill people if they see fit and you can't just allow them to have free reign over that amount of power when they havent been trained or licenced. The fact of the matter is they almost killed someone.
I also think it's good that the story didn't treat Iida's actions like they were right, but I don't think Stain should get any credit for criticizing Iida because I think it's important to note that Stain never acknowledges that he caused that problem in the first place. At no point did he ever have to cripple Tensei, but he indicated that he chose to cause great bodily harm out of his own self-interest. On top of that, he criticized Iida for not trying to save Native, but he knew that he was actively trying to kill Native before Iida showed up. Obviously Stain was gonna do both of those things, but he had no moral authority to criticize Iida for not properly responding to problems he caused, when he could always just not be causing them.
Is that big boy listening to the radio in the forest who I think he is? I totally forgot he was teased this early 🫢 Also, an easy way to keep All for One and One for All straight in your head is to think about the names in relation to heroes and villains. All for One would be the one who wants everything for himself. One for All would be the one who holds the power to defend the masses.
@@AzarathMetreon Damn... And I'm usually more careful about stuff like that... My only solace is that it's minor and doesn't explain enough to actually be a spoiler and that will be cleared up relatively quickly (that and they've already watched ahead and posted on Patreon) so I'll leave the comment as is Zenthos
I honestly think the law probably existed during the more uncontrollled emergence of quirks and never got updated for when things finally stabalized and was just bent for various circumstances. Because it certainly feels like the kind of law that would create and escalate the Bystander effect in a situation.
The Moment i read "One for All" for the first time in the Manga, my first Reaction was: so there is most likely an "All for One" too, because of the musketeers. Woof.
13:29 is EASILY one of the funniest and most endearing moments in the series; it's one of those clips i just rewatch over and over. 🤣🤣 I can only imagine what Gunhead's expression was. 😏 Edit: Also, Shoto calling himself the "Hand-Crusher" and All Might's ring tone were hilarious, too. 😅
17:03 on an apendice that is not integral to his quirk on his dominant hand (he seems to be a lefty) wich is kinda better if you think about it, because if my left hand had trouble moving sometimes it would be a mostly dead hand, but if my right had troubles I'd still think of myself as someone who can use both hands all the time
I have always rationalized the quirk law by using a real world idea. Imagine everyone on earth carried a gun for example. Anyone can use one, but few people do because they are dangerous and if misused can kill people. Quirks are similar in that way, (almost) everyone has one but only criminals and professional heroes use them on a regular basis. Criminals because the law doesn't matter, and Pro Heroes because they understand how dangerous they are, the Heroes have been trained, and educated on how to use them responsibly to minimize risk to life.
@@BlakeN-o6l Yea but do we encourage people to use them without proper training and a valid license? Are there not gun safety and training courses that people who want to own and use guns are encouraged if not required to complete?
7:55 the EXACT same argument could be used against real life self defense. Thats why the law generally takes proportionality into account. If you acted in a proportionate way, you can be excused.
As much as I was frustrated at first, I do completely understand why Deku and Todoroki didn't get any accolades. If the police let this slide, everyone with a quirk would start using their powers, whether they have a license or not, and endanger even more people that way.
another reason why villians might be inspired is many of the villians probaly started out as wanting to be heros as kids and grew up admiring All Might, and then society rejected them. Stain being portrayed as a hero turned villian/ vigiantle who looks up to All Might brings up that sense of belonging to something larger
This is an episode that gets a lot of people twisted thinking the kids did nothing wrong but this is where it becomes a difference between what is right and what is just. In a real world example let’s say you come across someone attacking another with a knife, you step in, fight them off and the police arrive. However a few days later the police arrive and arrest you for causing bodily harm on the attacker because you used skills and techniques that applied a lot of force on them causing broken bones, a punctured lung etc. Now you have without question done the morally right thing however but under the law you have committed a crime just like the attacker. Now the public would likely and rightfully side with you but under the societal laws that govern that same public not punishing you for your actions could inspire others to do the same resulting in more violence and potential deaths. So to bring it back and the reason why this is covered up in the story the boys did not have hero licences so under the law they were civilians without authority who effectively used weapons to stop another person causing bodily harm to that person. This would make them officially vigilantes (which are a thing in this world) and while they would receive acclaim for taking down Stain by the public it would also result in the boys expulsion from the hero course preventing them from ever getting their hero licences as well as likely inspiring other people with potentially deadlier quirks with even less training then the boys using them as they saw fit causing destruction, injuries and potentially deaths.
One thing people forget is that the kids didn't just happen on this situation. They all went and seeked out the situation. It wasn't just self defense in the moment. They went seeking out the attacker. Shoto is kinda the only one who had no idea before he happened in on it and he even told heroes to come. Iida was absolutely being a vigilante and not just using self defense and got lucky things didn't go worse. He deserves punishment.
Except Iida is the only one who would be classed as being a vigilante in this case. The other two just stepped in because they saw people about to be murdered with no way to escape. In your real world example, the person defending the victim did nothing wrong legally according to japanese self defense laws. Self defense needs to be proportional and a knife is classed as a lethal weapon, so if there was no avenue of escape for the victim you'd be in your rights to kill the attacker, nevermind just beating them up. You would get in trouble if you did something like throw a hand grenade at them or unload a machine gun in their direction though. Because it's proportional. Honestly a better resolution would be "We can give Midoriya and Todoroki credit for saving people and taking Stain down, but it also means Iida is expelled for being a vigilante" and the others agree to keep quiet to stop that. Keeps the vigilantism law, creates a nice character moment for the guys and is a less dumb law than "If you ever use your quirk to defend yourself regardless of circumstance you go straight to jail." Because that's just not how self defense laws work in real life.
@@tortoiseoflegends4466 sadly all 3 would be classed as vigilantes in their world though, in the world of MHA a vigilante is anyone who uses their quirks without a licence (and thus without authority) to help people. While it is seen as a good act by not having a licence while they are doing heroic acts they are breaking the law to do so as you need a licence to use your quirk for such acts (this is shown in a later episode) and this is fully fleshed out within the Vigilantes spin off. Originally all heroes were vigilantes before quirk laws were set up which is what the chief alluded to with the ‘strict code of ethics’. Incidentally before becoming the hero killer Stain he was a vigilante called Stendhal who would only kill villains, after a confrontation with another vigilante he would cut of his own nose that had been broken in the fight and become Stain we know today
The chills I got from Gran Torino's phone call were SO intense. They just kept coming. And I've seen this whole thing more times than I can count. AFO is just that terrifying.
Montana said Deku and his friends didn’t have a choice on fighting Stain or not, but Iida did. He specifically went to seek him out. Had things not gone well, he would have turned what was supposed to be a single death, into four deaths. Of course we watch the show with a level of meta knowledge that our heroes have to hero, and that they have some plot armor, but the fact of the matter is that these are kids, kids learning how to assess the situation and deal with it with the least amount of collateral damage. I think the only reason things went well is because Deku is such a perfect Hero archetype, and Todoroki’s training from Hell taught him to keep a cool mind in all situations. He’s essentially been training to be a hero since he could walk. Plus they’re both OP for their age Three students with Iida’s mentality (at least his mindset when he first went after stain) would have gotten themselves killed, and could have caused the whole situation to escalate. I’m glad no one got in trouble, but the rule has every sense in existing, and you can’t make exceptions just cause their heart is in the right place.
Deku and Todoroki kinda had a choice too. Deku acknowledges that he should've came with a pro. That's would've been the correct move for both of them instead of acting on their own
On top of that, Deku left the train when he thought it was just Nomu attacking the city and only happened to come across Stain after the fact. He wouldn't have found Iida or Stain if he hadn't directly disobeyed Gran Torino's order to stay on the train in first place. Nobody told him to go looking for Iida either. Todoroki also ditched his supervising authority (Endeavor) because he wanted to help his friends, but he had no authority to do that either and as a licensed hero with authority, Endeavor was responsible for him and didn't tell him to go off on his own.
The whole scene with the police was interesting and when I first watched the show I had to set it aside for a bit to think about it like Kenny. It very much seems to mirror our real world law (at least in the US) called “the Good Samaritan Act”. So if you witnessed a terrible car wreck and you tried to get bodies out of the car before police and ambulances arrived, on the off chance that you cracked somebody’s rib in trying to get them out you could be pardoned in court under that law. So it does beg the question, were the boys really in the wrong for stepping into a truly dangerous situation? In this case, yes. They’re teenagers with strong powers, which is like giving a regular teenager a gun. They’re still learning how to use their powers well and how to contain them. They should have called for help immediately instead of jumping straight into action (although I get why Deku jumped in because Iida was legit about to die). It’s complicated but it does make sense and I like that the police chief recognizes that and was able to find a work around.
The way they describe it makes it seem like they aren't allowed to defend themselves with their quirks. If a crazed killer attacks me I should be able to use my super power in attempt to save my life and others. I can't walk up to someone and shoot them but if my life and others are in danger I can shoot someone. The actions that lead the kids to that alley can change the outcome. Lida was looking for a fight, and if that came out in the investigation I think it's entirely justified for him to be punished for it. Deku went in to save Lida, but if memory serves didn't tell anyone his theory of what was going down, but the city was also in a panic and the heroes were occupied. I don't think Deku should be punished at all but he could've done things better. Todoroki received a cryptic text with his friends location amidst all this panic, asked his father to send any heroes that can be spared there, even though he didn't know the situation. Todoroki definitely doesn't deserve any punishment for the incident
@@tantas11 Based on what I've read (which is admittedly not a whole lot, but enough that I think I have a basic understanding) the actual laws on self defense in Japan are similar and a bit confusing, but that might just be the translation of the site I read. According to it, basically the very fact that Deku and Todoroki put themselves in the situation to be hurt makes their act no longer in self defense, because essentially they deliberately sought out danger just like Iida. Now do I agree with that? No, but that seems to be how the law is written and the show just expands upon that with Quirks
To understand the laws of how quirks are regulated, you have to start thinking of them like weapons. Imagine quirks are like guns. There need to be regulations on weapons or literally anyone would be justified in using their quirks to harm someone else. You give any random civilian the authority to use their quirk in situations where they are not trained or experienced and you set yourself up for absolute chaos and devastation. It's like handing a random person a gun and telling them it's okay for them to use it any time they think it's justified without any prior training or licenses. In the student's case in this scenario, they are not licensed pros and their first response should have been to call for the pro heroes, not go in and fight on their own. In Izuku and Todoroki's case, they could argue that using their quirks to fight Stain was a matter of self defense and defense of their friend in danger. However, Iida on the other hand specifically hunted down Stain with the intention of causing him harm for personal vengeance. He didn't even know Stain had another hero incapacitated when he went charging in, and once the fight started he barely even cared about saving the hero in danger. His only goal was to use his quirk to kill Stain in an act of vengeance. As the police looking at the situation, it is hard to justify Iida's actions, specifically. It was only because of his friend's involvement that he was able to escape punishment in this scenario, and rightfully so. His actions were not in any way heroic or justified.
They are really strict with that no quirk rule in the My Hero Vigilantes manga the main character gets stopped by a cop for using his quirk to slide on the ground to get somewhere faster.
6:55 midoriya and todoroki could have probably gotten away with minor legal ramifications if the story went public, Iida however would be in massive trouble. Iida wouldn’t be protected under “good Samaritan law” like the other two. Their friend went missing and they went to help. Iida on the other hand went out of his way to find and possibly kill stain. He made the decision as an unlicensed civilian to break the law.
5:28 Essentially what they did was the equivalent of a group of police academy students running into a murderer in the middle of a crime and shooting him half to death. Yes it was the morally right thing to do but it was also vigilante justice.
I'm a bit confused about how this quirk law works in tandem with self defense, y'know? Like if someone is actively using their quirk to try and kill you, then you should have the right to use your quirk back to defend yourself. Since our heroic trio came to find stain, I don't know if it would necessarily count as self defense, but I'm sure there are other situations where that would be the case
I agree with Montana about the hand thing, because you will still have your injury, the scar will still be there, whats the point in keeping yourself handicapped? It is just giving you a problem for the future that you need to fix. Who might get injured because of this 'small' injury, crooked and a bit numb doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
see, the thing is iida 100% broke the law, he went vigilante mode also it was motivated by knowing a victim of the guy deku did nothing wrong, he was searching for his friend and he found him in a dire situation (tho gran torino's statement to the police probably was "I told him to stay in the train and he didn't" + the other 2 being in violation of the law could have discredited his account to whatever group of people that has to deliberate on the evidence) and todoroki instead of doing the correct procedure of telling his dad and then his dad delegating heroes to go there he just did his own thing, it's like if I send you a "call the police to x address" text and you book it, tell your dad to call the police and then you pull up to help me vigilante style, "my father is a pos I didn't trust he would do anything about it that's why I went anyways" is not gonna fly, he's the child of endeavour the shining number 2 hero second to all might himself tho, none of that matters bc it's based on an actual law in japan tho I would say mha's is a bit more lenient here, they said "lethal quirk use" (might be a dubism) and the guy was scorched, had his bones broken, actually it's very likely one of their attacks broke the rib that then pierced his lung AND the alleyway is full of dangerous spiky ice, there is no denying they used lethal force so they maybe could have gotten away with a citizens arrest if deku like, reduced the guy without breaking stains bones, but again it doesn't matter bc in japan the self defence, with all the things that implies, is not a thing at most it would be a factor that may or may not lessen whatever punishment you get by like a little bit
So this is an episode. I’m going to lay out a few aspects for you and see what you think. Let’s cover more mystery and also…yeah medical and even law details instead of just feats through math. So as you know, the vast majority of laws are still in effect even in quirk society. Self defense, defense of another, vigilante work, and how to handle an active…well I’d say culprit. Here’s the truth. NONE of them had self defense and NONE of them had defense of another. Stain didn’t seek any of them out. Heck none of them were meant to be anywhere NEAR Stain. Endeavor was with Shoto city blocks away running towards the Nomu fight. Iida was meant to be right by Manuel in the Nomu fight. And Gran Torino told Deku to stay on the train because the monster fight would be too much for him. All of them SOUGHT OUT this battle. Worse, Deku didn’t call the police or heroes when he DID find them. He called his classmates. Untrained civilians to help. You’re only allowed to fight people like that if you can’t run or hide. (Civilian process is run, hide, fight.) Even bounty hunters need to be licensed and registered. In the eyes of the law, all 3 of them screwed up ROYALLY. Even using our laws specifically. We can save how helpful calling the cops would be in the situation because I get heated of the subject and this takes place in Japan not America. But all this to say what the Chief did was completely correct to do. “I won’t let you guys have glory because I WANT you guys to be heroes. If you GOT the glory, you’d be cut off because heroes wouldn’t hire sidekicks THAT willing to go rogue. I’m aware it’s not fair because all of you made it out alive. But we need to take this process because things very well could have spun a VERY different direction if circumstances were even SLIGHTLY different.” I think legally speaking only Deku had true defense of another because he TRIED to get Iida and Native out. But that’s also REALLY tough to prove when neither are his family members. (Even though Deku treats everyone like family. Courts wouldn’t know that.) The fact I can make an ACTUAL legal argument out of this event is INSANE. This level of detail is ASTOUNDING for mere character placement and I can’t get enough of this show doing things like that! Iida has near permanent damage. The injuries are consistent to what you would withstand when it comes to the events and no one gets off really easy unless you outright notice. (Todoroki’s injuries look bad, but those knives thrown into his arm were shallow wounds luckily. And his fire moves would cauterize those wounds and he kept them in instead of leaving the wound open. So there’s medical reasons why he’s the LEAST injured.) Now I can’t say exactly, but I do believe this decision for Iida is actually kinda hindering for his growth in the future. Not mentally or emotionally, but physically. He can’t move his arm completely properly going forward creating what most people call the “Iida Chop.” It is absolutely contagious and I think you would be the 1st reactors I’ve ever seen NOT mock it if you don’t replicate it. But let’s just put it this way and say I REALLY hope you aren’t the 1st ones because I get an absolute KICK out of it. The reason why it happens is terrible, but it might just be the funniest thing in the whole show. It’s not a spoiler because me even saying this doesn’t prepare you. I promise that. Stain’s ideology is CHILLING. Because he’s CORRECT. Not in his methods but interpretation. This is why he handles so much. He’s hero trained, and is on par with pro heroes. He understands many people try to become heroes not for saving people, but for money and glory. It’s the acting part of the job people always see and desire. (And if it was prestigious school which it likely was considering how good Stain is, the vain and glory seeking would be EVEN MORE likely on the street and not ACTUALLY focused on people.) It’s ignoring that the title of hero means you are a 1st responder, police officer, detective, AND have to keep the public calm all at once in likely life and death battles in place for acting. It’s like the difference of being a literal daredevil who is full of himself and wants attention and a surgeon. Might need focus elsewhere. All-Might himself says that the mundane and simply just doing good for the public was more common back in the day while training Deku on the beach. Heroes won’t often do things when there’s no glory involved, but they used to do more like mundane helping elderly across the street, cleaning up trash, and basically being Boy Scouts on the side. Which understandably few are willing to do. Deku IS worthy of being a hero as he doesn’t act for glory but for ACTUALLY saving people. Same with All-Might who has been doing this for 40 years. He kinda got the whole acting focused part going, but not intentionally. It’s just how he calmed the crowds. Stain is terrifying because he makes SENSE. He has a logical method even if it’s not correct. And there IS truth in his madness. That’s crazy to say, sure, but you KNOW so many people from every side of the aisle can find something to relate to. And that is why hero trained villains can be so INCREDIBLY dangerous. (Stain stands alone in this class luckily.) Last we get into the true terror of what Gran Torino said over the phone to All-Might. “The one who killed the 7th holder of OFA, the man who opened the hole in All-Might, the villain known as All For One is back.” And it is whoever knew Stain’s ideology would be capitalized on…yeah. There’s been a number of clues to this man. I’ll add to that and say it’s the only person who has anyway of knowing All-Might is weaker when there’s literally one person in this MASSIVE cast who knows that outside OFA’s inner circle. (At the very least proof positive) It’s the person that informed Shigaraki a speed he couldn’t even so much as TRACK was actually NO WHERE NEAR his best. And only the one who injured him from the outset would know that. And is therefore just as capable as the #1 hero himself…when he could move Mach 1800 instead of his current Mach 30 best. AND he’s connected to the Nomus being made. We have all the clues with JUST the episodes seen up til now. I’d show you. But the invite is “Sound Only.” I have no reason to add Deku into any scaling because…he’s not even on the SPECTRUM of this mess uncovered today. And All-Might knows it. Remember it like this. One For All is inherently selfless and is held by All-Might and Deku, the 2 most selfless people in the show. And All For One is inherently selfish. And trust me when I say none are more selfish than he is. Overall this episode just reminds me how real the world of MHA feels because so many of our rules and laws can just be put in directly into the logic of this show. Basically the only other punishment these kids needed was breaking the speed limits on the street by a LOT and I’d say nothing was missed.
I get the point you were trying to make and don't necessarily disagree, but you are deliberately twisting the facts in regards to self defense/defending others. Lida hands down sought out Stain and thus the battle. Deku was supposed to stay on the train if course. But he didn't seek out a fight, he was looking for Lida because of all of the chaos. And when he found Lida, he wanted to run away with Lida but couldn't escape Stain while carrying Lida and Native. Shoto makes it clear he had no idea what was going on, but knew Deku wouldn't send his location for no reason. Shoto and Deku were looking for their friends. Albeit Deku did think his best chance of finding Lida was to search back alleys because that's where most of Stain's attacks occurred. I think you have a good point overall, but I just dislike this notion that Shoto and Deku were deliberately seeking out a battle when to me it was clear they were looking for their friends. Even when Shoto gets there, he says he doesn't think Stain will let them leave.
@@Andrew-rf4lz it’s more to the point that we know that they were trying to get away and ran out of options but that is only from the perspective of the characters not from the heroes or the other law enforcement on the scene. But Native was ordering them to get out, none of the heroes knew their mindsets, and none of them were meant to be at this scene in the 1st place. Courts and police work with evidence. If they got their info from the fight from Native which they likely had to, he would have to say he ordered the kids away from the scene and they didn’t, and the heroes the kids worked for would have to say they weren’t dispatched to that location and that’s all they needed for this outcome. We know there’s more, but there’s no way to prove it. From the heroes perspective they were headed somewhere with or without their interns, and their interns went elsewhere against orders. And Stain even gave these kids opportunities to leave the scene. Iida he outright told him to run away from the scene before Iida announced he was here to avenge his brother and engaged AGAIN. Don’t get me wrong there’s defenses but it likely wouldn’t be easy to explain the variety of other factors in this situation. They disagreed with their punishment for a reason, but had to accept it nonetheless. Also Iida is spelled iida not Lida. It’s weird.
@@Kaempfdogok so another thing about stain and how actually insane he is. He may have been hero trained, but all his work on the field as a vigilante sets him apart in experience. Usual raids and takedowns of villains involve police assistance in order. He did all that solo. Not only did he have connections that would give him blood samples to notable gang members, his feats are no joke. He took down a gang who were clear imitations to the avengers, down to the hulk. He threw a knife hard enough to damage the metal arm of one of them. He paralyzed another member before he could throw a steel shield at the speed of sound. Physically not faster than iida, but could easily react to him. He cut through an iron man like suit with just his sword. He threw two knives to instantly kill two others. Clearly just trying to paralyze deku and todoroki, but one knife throw and they'd both be out of it.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Stain's perspective on their hero society is correct. I mean, his position is ideologically too narrow, he confirms his own biases when it comes to the Iida problem (because he caused that problem in the first place while talking as if he was entirely disconnected from that entire situation), and he doesn't seem to understand how humans actually work. Like, he doesn't understand human behavior being influenced by emotions or incentive structures, and he essentially compares everyone to an abstracted ideal concept of a hero, while "forgetting" that heroes are humans too. While All Might provides remotely similar commentary/criticism on the modern hero, he also makes it clear that heroes are human and even he acknowledges what trying to become an abstract symbolic good had cost him as a person (plus All Might was compensated by his hero work and leaned into the fame and popularity he got from his position and used it to his advantage, even if he wasn't selfishly motivated by it). I don't think Stain recognizes "true" heroes as real human beings.
The Chief's explanation on the creation of professional heroism and the laws surrounding it answers your question about why heroes don't kill in bnha. The law keeps a tight grip on their ability to use their quirks in any kind of violent/potentially deadly manner. It's treated very seriously. Heroes don't kill because they'd be under threat of having their license removed if they did.
7:30 Gotta say, that's a really bad take. That would be like saying, in the real world, that if someone tried to attack and murder you in person, you aren't allowed to defend yourself because you might push your attacker into traffic and cause an accident that kills others. Or you aren't allowed to use your own firearm to defend yourself because a stray bullet might hit someone else. It's a bad argument. If you have to defend yourself from an attacker, you're justified in using whatever force or tools necessary to stay alive. If there's collateral damage or harm from your self defense, responsibility for that lies with the attacker. This strict rule about not using your quirk serves certain specific purposes in this show. First, and most obviously, it sets up the importance of licensure for heroes. Being licensed as a hero doesn't just mean the government funds you. Next, it hints at the reason why society is the way it is. We don't see brazen criminals in the real world often, so why are they so common in this world? Easy, criminals know that nobody but a hero can stop them because the law doesn't allow them to. I can attack joe nobody on the street with my quirk, and know for certain that he can't stop me, because it's illegal for him to try. The system enables the villains. Lastly, it reinforces the limited, strict, rigid society they all live in. This is a world where everyone has their specific place, and nobody is allowed to be anything more than what they already are. Heroes aren't allowed to arrest people, that's the police's job. Police aren't allowed to use quirks to fight criminals, that's for heroes. Every piece in its place, and nobody is allowed to step out of line. SPOILERS: this is why the liberation army gains support and power later on, because everyone is so stifled by the strictness of society, they desire to be free. This is also why Shigaraki ends up where he ends up. Nobody was willing to help, because everyone considered it someone else's job, because nobody is allowed to leave their own lane. This left Shigaraki alone, and prone to being picked up by AFO. This world only works when everyone is a good cog in the machine. We see in season 6 how fragile such a society is, essentially collapsing once certain cogs fail to keep the machine running normally. It all comes down to the strict rigidity of this society, and this regulation of the use of quirks is our first real example of how that strictness gets in the way. END SPOILERS.
I hope you see this comment, because this debate about if it should be legal or not has always fascinated me. I stand with decision of the police, solely because everyone involved technically had a choice in not being there. Iida was never supposed to be there, he left his mentor. Deku was ordered to stay on the train and went against orders, and Todoroki abandoned his mentor to join the fight. 2 out of the 3 of them didn't even let pros know where they were going. Regardless of the outcome by the standards set in the world, they shouldn't be there
I found you guys recently through your Attack on Titan videos and I gotta say I love your reacts! Kenny is similar a lot to me cus he is the first guy I see actually get emotional to anime like me and it's a nice change and Montana actually asks a lot of good questions and is truly trying to understand all these shows keep up the good work!
For me the hero licence thing never really confused me because in some countries we have same type of laws and licences in place. I'm first aider and I have professional licence in the country I work and live in. The licence ties my actions and decision making to the trained area and if I acted against those values or professional judgement I could lose the licence and be banned in the field. I don't know how these systems are in Japan though. It isn't that uncommon system for police, doctors, nurses and firefighters to have.
The thought of the depth of the character development of these new villains being introduced is so exciting. I love Montana's thoughts and feelings while watching things so I know she will LOVE IT!
30:55, yeah, but its crazy that there isnt a self-defense clause. If you, or a friend, is being attacked, you should have the right to fight back with a necessary force. But thats the Texan in me, I guess. Obv. if you OFA smash 100% a person that is unlikely to hurt or damage others, you shouldnt be protected. But if there is a reasonable threat of harm towards another, in Texas you are justified in stopping it with a "minimum necessary force", which can include deadly force in their specific situation.
I think you can compare hero license to gun ownership/carry licence. People are born with with quirks basically has a gun at their disposal at birth, regardless of if a situation demanded it or not, If you used a gun while not licensed, to stop a crime in progress, while the outcome is great, you still however still broke the law. The law is to keep everyone in check so they don't abuse their quirks, regardless if it was done for the right reason. I'm sure punishment given out will take into consideration extenuating circumstances, however it should still be an exception not the rule.
In real life..Even in a world without quirks...Apart from authorities who have gotten permission to like shoot the cirminal or hurt them..A normal person has NO authority to hurt someone else unless it is self defense..If a normal person sees a crime..They call the police..Not run and fight the criminal themselves..it is not self defense to run to the criminal and save the victim. U see..it is not self defense..Because Iida RAN to Stain. He should've called the pro heroes for help..
Montana supporting use of unlicensed powers, seems a lot like a DIRECT comparison to unlicensed firearmes. Should the public be allowed to use unlicensed weapons even if its for a good reason? should deadly powers not be limited by the government.
honestly im with Montana here, just because its a trope doesnt mean its a good idea. like, injuries could get worse, if hes able to he should get it treated, lacking full finger mobility could make him worse hero
I think that the scene with the police chief is something that people tend to not fully grasp. And they tend not to see things from the police chiefs perspective. I think there are a couple points people need to remember. 1. The biggest problem with the situation is that iida was actively trying to pick a fight with stain. He was pretty much going fullblown vigilante with this. He was actively looking to beat stain to a bloody pulp, so iida definetly needed this kind of talk. 2. Although izuku and shoto, went into the situation with the best of intentions, they made a couple of mistakes that technically isn't what they should've done. For one when the nomu attacked the train, gran torino specifically told izuku to stay on the train, and then he pretty much immediately left and ran into the situation. Shoto pretty much did the same thing with endeavor where he just ran during a very dangerous situation. Izuku also went into the situation with stain without bringing a pro hero to help them out. He even has that thought to himself during the beginning of the confrontation, i should've done more to bring a pro with me. Now, the choices izuku, and shoto made were due to the extreme circumstances of the situation with the nomu, causing all of the pro heroes to be tied up, but this was a very extreme circumstance. 3. You have to remember iida, izuku, and shoto are all kids with only a month or two of hero training max. They probably don't want the public to know three kids were caught in this situation, because that would be a bit of pr nightmare. Also its to discourage people who might have dreams of being a hero, but no actual knowledge and training from thinking, well these kids had very little training and brought in this criminal, why shouldn't i be able to do the same.
Agreed, in a world where 80% of the world's population has some kind of (super?)power and to some degree are forced to live with each other, there has to be some way to reasonably control how those powers are used in the societies that are formed, or those societies potentially risk breaking down, or some sort of power vacuum is created when there already isn't a higher authority in place to maintain some level of control and order.
I love how deku can entirely obliterate his arm multiple times in one go, yet Iida suffers permanent damage to his arm after getting stabbed like once on it LOL
Kind of a spoiler... Im glad that the whole "unlicensed use of a quick to try to do something heroic" thing comes up again later with a different outcome, but i wish it was closer to this part. I think by the time it happens, most people who disagreed with Chief Dog will have forgotten all about this
It wasn’t so much them defending themselves that got them in trouble. Self defense is still a thing. The issue was that they sought out the fight. For good reasons, but still.
Shoto had every right to call the chief police dog 'mutt' i mean he said ''i see UA and Endeavour haven't taught you near enough'' he already has enough trauma
I think the whole "license for quirks" thing is very comparable to the whole argument behind the 2nd amendment in the US. What you mentioned how if you have quirks and see someone else abusing their quirks on others, are you supposed to stand there and watch the victims die? Same question could be asked but replacing "quirks" with "gun". How should our laws be adjusted if at all in a society where there are more guns than people? Its interesting to see a show like My Hero bringing up such a topic.
This is a good episode. I watched an ex-police officer reactor get mad at the chief of police in the show when these types of laws are similar to those in our world and as an ex-police officer he really should have agreed with the show. Due to quirks, some citizens of this world have lethal weapons built into their bodies. Iida went out with intent to injure or possibly kill someone with a lethal weapon whom he thought might be a criminal and judged as guilty. Society cannot tolerate that. Of course, one can always defend themselves from attack. Deku and Todoroki could have easily gotten out of trouble with a self-defense claim. They were defending themselves from attack. Heck, they may have been able to get the acclaim of defeating Stain without the punishment of vigilante justice. However, if they did that, it would have almost certainly come to light what Iida did and his career would have been over. Luckily, everyone who knew they fought mistook the situation as three teenagers being overzealous and specifically the chief didn’t want three bright eyed teens to end their careers early over a mistake. Iida got really lucky. And thankfully for him his two friends kept their mouths shut. Iida is always so reverent towards rules. After this one time breaking them and being spared, you can be sure he won’t easily do so again. In fact, he’ll probably be even more by-the-books than before.
If he was American of course he'd disagree. The right to bear arms allows you to use firearms in acts of self defence when you've exhausted all other options. It's fucking insane that in this world if you are being threatened and at risk of death your only gope is to pray that a hero gets here bwcause you have no other option without having your life ruined in jail
@@python1972 Self-defense via arms is one thing, but it's not like America wholly encourages the use of firearms without some kind of indication that you're properly trained, usually in the form of safety training and valid licenses/permits. The situation with these kids is more analogous to three kids using firearms while unlicensed, if not also not as well-trained as they ideally should be.
I love these videos but did bro just say that the law is right, he understands that means that ppl would die and he basically said children like Ilda should die because a licensed hero wasn’t around. Yeah, no. I agree with girl (apologies I dunno y’all’s names)
I feel like using your quirk in self-defense or defense of others is a lot like using a professional medical qualification: if all you've got is the absolute basics like CPR or vaguely half-remembering some random youtube video, you're likely covered by Good Samaritan laws, but the moment you start actually getting trained Scope of Practice limitations kick in: A random civilian accidentally killing someone with their quirk, or poorly done CPR, they had no possible way of knowing better. Someone with any actual training? Should absolutely be capable of holding back wherever possible. t's also an insurance issue: A fully licensed healthcare professional is easier to insure than a newbie just learning, and anyone else even close to that situation is in extremely extenuating circumstances. In this case, the severe injuries to Stain were easy to argue as being due to incompetence in holding back enough, rather than panic-smashing; the in-the-moment bit of his insane willpower is too hard to prove.
Montana's reaction to learning that, in effect, the superheroes are not allowed to harm anyone with their powers, no matter how dire the situation, if they haven't gotten the proper approval for it beforehand. Yeah, this is in Japan, where they don't have the 2nd Amendment or the idea that defending yourself and others takes precedence over government authority.
Charisma is not the ability to make people like you, it's the ability to make people feel something powerful (hope, hate, joy, fear) -- stain has charisma in spades
Not at all. Charisma is what others may call magnetism, it's when you have one or more qualities that make your personality attractive to others, which in turn will make some want to follow your lead in some way or form. Totally separate from feeling fear or joy or love towards the charismatic person in question. Charisma isn't tied to any other emotion aside from some form of attraction (which doesn't even have to be romantic or sexual or even strong enough to make you feel more than that).That's precisely why someone can be charismatic AND frightful or adorable or nothing else at all, key word being "and" and not therefore or any other alike. Which is also why someone can be charismatic (some trait of theirs is actually attractive/ admirable), but them as whole (with the rest of their traits) be someone you dislike. Like when someone is physically super hot, but they're boring or, worse, an absolute asshole; you'll end up not liking them at all but still think "damn they're hot". I've ended up making the explanation quite long, so sorry for that. But thankfully it's also easier to understand lol
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I can see that you're about to react to 3x5 of my hero next. As a fan, might i suggest that before watching episode 3x11 (arguably one of the greatest episodes of mha ever) that you take the time to watch a 3 minute OVA titled "ALL MIGHT RISING" you can find it here on TH-cam. Note its only in Japanese but its an Extremely important 3 minute OVA that ties all the emotions together regarding All Might his predecessor, and All For One. Crucial before watching 3x11
@keeganbrown9967 you can find it online with English subs
I am never getting over Todoroki’s ‘you damn mutt’ 💀
He's got sass 😅
it is probably my favorite line of the whole show
It’s hilarious because that would be objectively racist in that world 😂
He is his father’s son after all 💀💀💀
That’s _their_ word! You don’t say that!
Shoto really hate crimed a dog 😰
McGruff in MHA 😂
@@carlbowen7965 bro the call back
his father is Endeavor, I imagine he is also somewhat racist.
@@bel410larasict word gets thrown around so easily online. No one in the todoroki family is that
@@hkaayaakuu ok, I was joking and we are talking about an anime, not about real racism. In a fantastical world with Quirks and people who have dog heads, I bet there is a lot of racism of different types, so how about you calm down and stop trying to cause problems. :)
Can’t believe we have all missed it. We heard Shoto’s perfect hero name in this episode. The Cursed Hero, Handcrusher. Who said the power truly MUST match the name lol.
I mean to be fair, if you’re facing a guy named Hancrusher you certainly will be caught off guard when he freezes you solid or incinerates your face.
Todoroki yelling at the cheif of police is the greatest thing
Bro called him a slur on top of it
@@Syntex366 he was not having any of it 😂
"Maybe All for One is the friends we made along the way." is the funniest line you've ever said on this show and I kinda want it on a t-shirt now.
One thing that we need to remeember about the kids being somewhat scolded for fighting Stain: Iida basically BEGGED for a fight. If he wanted to "help", he shouldve tried to flee with the pro hero who was under attack, which is what Stain called out. He never should have fought Stain, and Iida is particularly good at running with his quirk, so it's good for him to be scolded here.
@@BlakeN-o6lYou’re both right. Even in the context of US self defense laws, there are caveats, like a duty to retreat, that Iida failed to meet. We also have laws against vigilante justice in the US, and historically, many times, the “good guy with a gun” who stopped an active shooter has been killed by police arriving on scene in the confusion
Which is absolutely true ida's actions were purely selfish, but Izuku and Todorki's were'nt. Infact they were doing everything they possibly could to let the pro's know while dealing with an incredibly difficult situation. The pro's took ten minutes to get there, if those two had'nt intervined IDa and Native would've been killed and Stain would've been long gone.
I mean, the kids were in the wrong by the letter of the law no matter what because they were unlicensed. They had no authority to act without any permission granted by the actual authorities responsible for supervising them, and all three of them ditched or blatantly ignored what their supervising authorities actually told them to do. The fact that Stain called Iida out on his mistake specifically isn't the most significant part of the problem with Iida's conduct, especially when Stain was the one causing danger in Native's case, and Stain was the one who created the revenge problem by crippling Tensei. His criticism of Iida was superficially true, but he had no moral authority to exercise over Iida in the first place because his own actions were not disconnected from that entire situation.
You guys have to keep in mind that not all countries have a concept of "self defense."
If you kill or hurt someone saving your life or someone else's, you are still charged for whatever harm you do.
its not really self defense, its more like having a gun or a car, the point of the law is to limit collateral damage with a dangerous object and make sure those who use their natural abilities are responsible with it, which is why the latter half of the season 4 exists
@@nuhrii3449it rubs me the wrong way. No one should have their natural abilities barred from them. Reminds me of the short science fiction story Harrison Bergeron
@@adamyoung6797 kinda necessary when ones as uraraka's, todoroki's, mina's, kaminari's, bakugo's, or deku's exist, these are incredibility dangerous that can easily cause permanent injury and/or death when misused, and thats just among class a.
@@nuhrii3449 How is it not self defense? They literally used their powers to STOP AN ACTIVE MURDER in an abandoned alley. The chief wasn't against their actions, his only point was that they were unlicensed. The issue with that philosophy is the fact that quirks are natural-born and unique physical abilities, NOT property. No government has the legitimate authority to grant that type of license. It would be considered a human rights violation by most 1st world standards. However, they CAN hold you responsible for endangering the public. Preventing a murder with 0 bystander injuries would be impossible to classify as "reckless" or "dangerous" by any definition or court room process. Even if the police in MHA decided to charge them, the case would be thrown out by the justice system because it would be considered a waste of court time and resources to prosecute.
@@garxgar thats not the problem, you fundamentally dont understand what happened, it was not self defense, because they had injected themselves in the situation, which is the problem, this is vigilantism. remember the lines, "just because it all went well, does that make it okay", because they did commit a crime, the crime of using their powers while being minor, without a license, and without orders from a supervisor, they cannot be allowed to flaunt the rules, so theyre forced to punish them for breaking the law, despite public opinion. also the government has does have that right, because quirks are very dangerous, so they have to be regulated by law, which is point in the latter half of season 4 and season 5, i think they make that point very clear early on though
There's a spin-off manga, called My Hero Academia: Vigilantes, that covers three people who're doing unlicensed hero work (and illegal street performances, in the case of one of them), and their attempts to stay out of trouble with the law. It's a great series, and if it ever gets an anime adaption (and I REALLY hope it does) you should definitely check it out.
I've always said that the Naruhata Hauler is a better protagonist than Deku. I really hope we get to see him, Pop☆Step, the old man, and all the others animated some day.
I never knew about that. I should read it.
Oh man... his panic on that episode of not revealing All For One... but trying to keep her from mixing them up... brava dude!
Woof
I'm honestly so interested to see what Montana ends up thinking about these villains being introduced. Especially toga and dabi
words cannot describe how excited I am for Montana's reaction to dabi's... everything lol
And All for One, damn that episode
For me it’s Twice and his thoughts and emotions
I glad I'm re-watching this i didn't know how much foreshadowing was this early in the forest
33:01 when you're just chilling and suddenly AFO's theme starts playing, literally a "why do I hear boss music?" moment
You think the cat police officer at the end of the USJ Arc knows this guy?
They were friendly rivals back in police academy. XD
Sansa (Cat man) probably does, Kenji's (Dog man) literally the chief of Hosu.
im so glad the dude explained what dog cheif was saying. my favorite example is always rescue hero 13 who creates black wholes and could very easily kill a villain and civilians but has gone through training and has been given approval to use her power in certain situations. if didnt have this training and used her quirk could cause a whole disaster or even just disintegrate a villain (sure its a criminal but you cant go around being executioner
it does feel shitty for like the random citizen. If I'm walking down the street and some villain attacks me with their quirk then I'm not allowed to use my quirk to fight back. It's crazy that your life can be in danger and legally you just have to hope a hero shows up to save you
The series even reinforces that problem with a later character.
@@kmgyening I know exactly who you're speaking about and it's crazy to me that people don't realize the connection there
It's so crazy to me how mad todoroki got at the chief of police. Like look how much he cares about his friends now!!!
While I do understand why Iida did what he did(I think most people wouldn't be able to sit still if someone who harmed their family was in front of them), I'm glad the story isn't trying to make it seem like he did the right thing. Stain, a literal murderer, had to point out that Iida was so blinded by revenge that he was literally neglecting an innocent life that needed to be saved. Tunnel vision as a hero is dangerous. Had Izuku and Shoto gotten less lucky during the fight, 4 people would've been lost(or, 3 since Stain wasn't trying to kill Deku) instead of 1. It would be different if the fight came to Iida and he had to defend himself. But he personally went to Hosu to find Stain and THEN sought him out in a dark alley. So yeah.
But anyway, we have new villains coming to join the League. Shigaraki doesn't seem too happy about it. But only time will tell.
@@BlakeN-o6l thats because they are the same. Sure they only went there to save Iida but you can't argue that it was self defence because Midoriya and Todoroki both attacked stain before he attacked them. They both are powerful enough to kill people if they see fit and you can't just allow them to have free reign over that amount of power when they havent been trained or licenced. The fact of the matter is they almost killed someone.
I also think it's good that the story didn't treat Iida's actions like they were right, but I don't think Stain should get any credit for criticizing Iida because I think it's important to note that Stain never acknowledges that he caused that problem in the first place. At no point did he ever have to cripple Tensei, but he indicated that he chose to cause great bodily harm out of his own self-interest. On top of that, he criticized Iida for not trying to save Native, but he knew that he was actively trying to kill Native before Iida showed up. Obviously Stain was gonna do both of those things, but he had no moral authority to criticize Iida for not properly responding to problems he caused, when he could always just not be causing them.
@@xblackxphoenix8458 Self-defense also does't apply when you inject yourself into a dangerous situation.
Is that big boy listening to the radio in the forest who I think he is? I totally forgot he was teased this early 🫢
Also, an easy way to keep All for One and One for All straight in your head is to think about the names in relation to heroes and villains. All for One would be the one who wants everything for himself. One for All would be the one who holds the power to defend the masses.
"All (quirks) For One (person)"
"One (quirk) For All (people)"
@@carlbowen7965 That’s a edging a bit more into spoiler territory phrasing it like that, friend.
@@AzarathMetreon Damn... And I'm usually more careful about stuff like that... My only solace is that it's minor and doesn't explain enough to actually be a spoiler and that will be cleared up relatively quickly (that and they've already watched ahead and posted on Patreon) so I'll leave the comment as is Zenthos
i think so..yeah
@@carlbowen7965Pretty sure Montana doesn't read the comment section because of spoilers
34:38 she hasn't even met him yet, and she already knows ! love that !! 🔥
Her reaction to hear the name all for one. Ideas are pouring into her. 🤣🤣
Fun Fact:
The police chief's voice actor played Cooler and Dr Gero on DragonBall Z Abridged.
That is a fun fact!
I’m so excited for Montana to be introduced to Dabi. I think she’ll eventually have some really interesting insight on his character.
"We don't want anyone goin vigilante" Well now that you mention it....maybe one....or 3 people and a group of criminals in another city.....
2:25 the scratching because anxious my god everything about me makes sense now
i itch my head regardless of if my scalp is itchy
I honestly think the law probably existed during the more uncontrollled emergence of quirks and never got updated for when things finally stabalized and was just bent for various circumstances. Because it certainly feels like the kind of law that would create and escalate the Bystander effect in a situation.
The Moment i read "One for All" for the first time in the Manga, my first Reaction was: so there is most likely an "All for One" too, because of the musketeers. Woof.
Dogtanian. Woof.
13:29 is EASILY one of the funniest and most endearing moments in the series; it's one of those clips i just rewatch over and over. 🤣🤣
I can only imagine what Gunhead's expression was. 😏
Edit: Also, Shoto calling himself the "Hand-Crusher" and All Might's ring tone were hilarious, too. 😅
17:03 on an apendice that is not integral to his quirk on his dominant hand (he seems to be a lefty) wich is kinda better if you think about it, because if my left hand had trouble moving sometimes it would be a mostly dead hand, but if my right had troubles I'd still think of myself as someone who can use both hands all the time
I loved how you played all for ones theme playing 👏🏽 👏🏽
(At 15:15) Think of it as an example of "the mistake YOU brought upon yourself"
I have always rationalized the quirk law by using a real world idea.
Imagine everyone on earth carried a gun for example. Anyone can use one, but few people do because they are dangerous and if misused can kill people. Quirks are similar in that way, (almost) everyone has one but only criminals and professional heroes use them on a regular basis. Criminals because the law doesn't matter, and Pro Heroes because they understand how dangerous they are, the Heroes have been trained, and educated on how to use them responsibly to minimize risk to life.
@@BlakeN-o6l Yea but do we encourage people to use them without proper training and a valid license? Are there not gun safety and training courses that people who want to own and use guns are encouraged if not required to complete?
7:55 the EXACT same argument could be used against real life self defense. Thats why the law generally takes proportionality into account. If you acted in a proportionate way, you can be excused.
As much as I was frustrated at first, I do completely understand why Deku and Todoroki didn't get any accolades. If the police let this slide, everyone with a quirk would start using their powers, whether they have a license or not, and endanger even more people that way.
another reason why villians might be inspired is many of the villians probaly started out as wanting to be heros as kids and grew up admiring All Might, and then society rejected them. Stain being portrayed as a hero turned villian/ vigiantle who looks up to All Might brings up that sense of belonging to something larger
This is an episode that gets a lot of people twisted thinking the kids did nothing wrong but this is where it becomes a difference between what is right and what is just. In a real world example let’s say you come across someone attacking another with a knife, you step in, fight them off and the police arrive. However a few days later the police arrive and arrest you for causing bodily harm on the attacker because you used skills and techniques that applied a lot of force on them causing broken bones, a punctured lung etc. Now you have without question done the morally right thing however but under the law you have committed a crime just like the attacker. Now the public would likely and rightfully side with you but under the societal laws that govern that same public not punishing you for your actions could inspire others to do the same resulting in more violence and potential deaths.
So to bring it back and the reason why this is covered up in the story the boys did not have hero licences so under the law they were civilians without authority who effectively used weapons to stop another person causing bodily harm to that person. This would make them officially vigilantes (which are a thing in this world) and while they would receive acclaim for taking down Stain by the public it would also result in the boys expulsion from the hero course preventing them from ever getting their hero licences as well as likely inspiring other people with potentially deadlier quirks with even less training then the boys using them as they saw fit causing destruction, injuries and potentially deaths.
One thing people forget is that the kids didn't just happen on this situation. They all went and seeked out the situation. It wasn't just self defense in the moment. They went seeking out the attacker. Shoto is kinda the only one who had no idea before he happened in on it and he even told heroes to come. Iida was absolutely being a vigilante and not just using self defense and got lucky things didn't go worse. He deserves punishment.
Except Iida is the only one who would be classed as being a vigilante in this case. The other two just stepped in because they saw people about to be murdered with no way to escape. In your real world example, the person defending the victim did nothing wrong legally according to japanese self defense laws. Self defense needs to be proportional and a knife is classed as a lethal weapon, so if there was no avenue of escape for the victim you'd be in your rights to kill the attacker, nevermind just beating them up. You would get in trouble if you did something like throw a hand grenade at them or unload a machine gun in their direction though. Because it's proportional.
Honestly a better resolution would be "We can give Midoriya and Todoroki credit for saving people and taking Stain down, but it also means Iida is expelled for being a vigilante" and the others agree to keep quiet to stop that. Keeps the vigilantism law, creates a nice character moment for the guys and is a less dumb law than "If you ever use your quirk to defend yourself regardless of circumstance you go straight to jail." Because that's just not how self defense laws work in real life.
@@tortoiseoflegends4466 sadly all 3 would be classed as vigilantes in their world though, in the world of MHA a vigilante is anyone who uses their quirks without a licence (and thus without authority) to help people. While it is seen as a good act by not having a licence while they are doing heroic acts they are breaking the law to do so as you need a licence to use your quirk for such acts (this is shown in a later episode) and this is fully fleshed out within the Vigilantes spin off. Originally all heroes were vigilantes before quirk laws were set up which is what the chief alluded to with the ‘strict code of ethics’. Incidentally before becoming the hero killer Stain he was a vigilante called Stendhal who would only kill villains, after a confrontation with another vigilante he would cut of his own nose that had been broken in the fight and become Stain we know today
The chills I got from Gran Torino's phone call were SO intense. They just kept coming. And I've seen this whole thing more times than I can count. AFO is just that terrifying.
Montana said Deku and his friends didn’t have a choice on fighting Stain or not, but Iida did. He specifically went to seek him out. Had things not gone well, he would have turned what was supposed to be a single death, into four deaths.
Of course we watch the show with a level of meta knowledge that our heroes have to hero, and that they have some plot armor, but the fact of the matter is that these are kids, kids learning how to assess the situation and deal with it with the least amount of collateral damage. I think the only reason things went well is because Deku is such a perfect Hero archetype, and Todoroki’s training from Hell taught him to keep a cool mind in all situations. He’s essentially been training to be a hero since he could walk. Plus they’re both OP for their age
Three students with Iida’s mentality (at least his mindset when he first went after stain) would have gotten themselves killed, and could have caused the whole situation to escalate.
I’m glad no one got in trouble, but the rule has every sense in existing, and you can’t make exceptions just cause their heart is in the right place.
Deku and Todoroki kinda had a choice too. Deku acknowledges that he should've came with a pro. That's would've been the correct move for both of them instead of acting on their own
On top of that, Deku left the train when he thought it was just Nomu attacking the city and only happened to come across Stain after the fact. He wouldn't have found Iida or Stain if he hadn't directly disobeyed Gran Torino's order to stay on the train in first place. Nobody told him to go looking for Iida either. Todoroki also ditched his supervising authority (Endeavor) because he wanted to help his friends, but he had no authority to do that either and as a licensed hero with authority, Endeavor was responsible for him and didn't tell him to go off on his own.
That "Look for the helpers" quote is actually from Mr Rogers, brought a smile hearing Montana quote that.
The whole scene with the police was interesting and when I first watched the show I had to set it aside for a bit to think about it like Kenny. It very much seems to mirror our real world law (at least in the US) called “the Good Samaritan Act”. So if you witnessed a terrible car wreck and you tried to get bodies out of the car before police and ambulances arrived, on the off chance that you cracked somebody’s rib in trying to get them out you could be pardoned in court under that law.
So it does beg the question, were the boys really in the wrong for stepping into a truly dangerous situation?
In this case, yes. They’re teenagers with strong powers, which is like giving a regular teenager a gun. They’re still learning how to use their powers well and how to contain them. They should have called for help immediately instead of jumping straight into action (although I get why Deku jumped in because Iida was legit about to die). It’s complicated but it does make sense and I like that the police chief recognizes that and was able to find a work around.
The way they describe it makes it seem like they aren't allowed to defend themselves with their quirks. If a crazed killer attacks me I should be able to use my super power in attempt to save my life and others. I can't walk up to someone and shoot them but if my life and others are in danger I can shoot someone. The actions that lead the kids to that alley can change the outcome. Lida was looking for a fight, and if that came out in the investigation I think it's entirely justified for him to be punished for it. Deku went in to save Lida, but if memory serves didn't tell anyone his theory of what was going down, but the city was also in a panic and the heroes were occupied. I don't think Deku should be punished at all but he could've done things better. Todoroki received a cryptic text with his friends location amidst all this panic, asked his father to send any heroes that can be spared there, even though he didn't know the situation. Todoroki definitely doesn't deserve any punishment for the incident
@@tantas11 Based on what I've read (which is admittedly not a whole lot, but enough that I think I have a basic understanding) the actual laws on self defense in Japan are similar and a bit confusing, but that might just be the translation of the site I read. According to it, basically the very fact that Deku and Todoroki put themselves in the situation to be hurt makes their act no longer in self defense, because essentially they deliberately sought out danger just like Iida. Now do I agree with that? No, but that seems to be how the law is written and the show just expands upon that with Quirks
31:33 the training...
34:30 it's so good and kinda deep but unrelated aaaa
Wait he's not reminding her what OFA is
To understand the laws of how quirks are regulated, you have to start thinking of them like weapons. Imagine quirks are like guns.
There need to be regulations on weapons or literally anyone would be justified in using their quirks to harm someone else. You give any random civilian the authority to use their quirk in situations where they are not trained or experienced and you set yourself up for absolute chaos and devastation.
It's like handing a random person a gun and telling them it's okay for them to use it any time they think it's justified without any prior training or licenses.
In the student's case in this scenario, they are not licensed pros and their first response should have been to call for the pro heroes, not go in and fight on their own.
In Izuku and Todoroki's case, they could argue that using their quirks to fight Stain was a matter of self defense and defense of their friend in danger. However, Iida on the other hand specifically hunted down Stain with the intention of causing him harm for personal vengeance. He didn't even know Stain had another hero incapacitated when he went charging in, and once the fight started he barely even cared about saving the hero in danger. His only goal was to use his quirk to kill Stain in an act of vengeance.
As the police looking at the situation, it is hard to justify Iida's actions, specifically. It was only because of his friend's involvement that he was able to escape punishment in this scenario, and rightfully so. His actions were not in any way heroic or justified.
They are really strict with that no quirk rule in the My Hero Vigilantes manga the main character gets stopped by a cop for using his quirk to slide on the ground to get somewhere faster.
It is kinda sad and funny how Shoto doesn’t fully understand things because he never had a childhood since endeavor couldn’t let him be a kid
6:55 midoriya and todoroki could have probably gotten away with minor legal ramifications if the story went public, Iida however would be in massive trouble. Iida wouldn’t be protected under “good Samaritan law” like the other two. Their friend went missing and they went to help. Iida on the other hand went out of his way to find and possibly kill stain. He made the decision as an unlicensed civilian to break the law.
5:28 Essentially what they did was the equivalent of a group of police academy students running into a murderer in the middle of a crime and shooting him half to death.
Yes it was the morally right thing to do but it was also vigilante justice.
Can't believe Todoroki chilli used the M-word.
24:00 its kinda amazing how early some of these things are mentioned before they become relevant in the story. Cool foreshadowing.
I'm a bit confused about how this quirk law works in tandem with self defense, y'know? Like if someone is actively using their quirk to try and kill you, then you should have the right to use your quirk back to defend yourself. Since our heroic trio came to find stain, I don't know if it would necessarily count as self defense, but I'm sure there are other situations where that would be the case
I agree with Montana about the hand thing, because you will still have your injury, the scar will still be there, whats the point in keeping yourself handicapped? It is just giving you a problem for the future that you need to fix. Who might get injured because of this 'small' injury, crooked and a bit numb doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
see, the thing is iida 100% broke the law, he went vigilante mode also it was motivated by knowing a victim of the guy
deku did nothing wrong, he was searching for his friend and he found him in a dire situation (tho gran torino's statement to the police probably was "I told him to stay in the train and he didn't" + the other 2 being in violation of the law could have discredited his account to whatever group of people that has to deliberate on the evidence)
and todoroki instead of doing the correct procedure of telling his dad and then his dad delegating heroes to go there he just did his own thing, it's like if I send you a "call the police to x address" text and you book it, tell your dad to call the police and then you pull up to help me vigilante style, "my father is a pos I didn't trust he would do anything about it that's why I went anyways" is not gonna fly, he's the child of endeavour the shining number 2 hero second to all might himself
tho, none of that matters bc it's based on an actual law in japan tho I would say mha's is a bit more lenient here, they said "lethal quirk use" (might be a dubism) and the guy was scorched, had his bones broken, actually it's very likely one of their attacks broke the rib that then pierced his lung AND the alleyway is full of dangerous spiky ice, there is no denying they used lethal force so they maybe could have gotten away with a citizens arrest if deku like, reduced the guy without breaking stains bones, but again it doesn't matter bc in japan the self defence, with all the things that implies, is not a thing at most it would be a factor that may or may not lessen whatever punishment you get by like a little bit
This episode definitely hit something on if superpowers were real and a base punishment for "when reality ensues"
So this is an episode. I’m going to lay out a few aspects for you and see what you think. Let’s cover more mystery and also…yeah medical and even law details instead of just feats through math.
So as you know, the vast majority of laws are still in effect even in quirk society. Self defense, defense of another, vigilante work, and how to handle an active…well I’d say culprit. Here’s the truth. NONE of them had self defense and NONE of them had defense of another. Stain didn’t seek any of them out. Heck none of them were meant to be anywhere NEAR Stain. Endeavor was with Shoto city blocks away running towards the Nomu fight. Iida was meant to be right by Manuel in the Nomu fight. And Gran Torino told Deku to stay on the train because the monster fight would be too much for him. All of them SOUGHT OUT this battle. Worse, Deku didn’t call the police or heroes when he DID find them. He called his classmates. Untrained civilians to help. You’re only allowed to fight people like that if you can’t run or hide. (Civilian process is run, hide, fight.) Even bounty hunters need to be licensed and registered. In the eyes of the law, all 3 of them screwed up ROYALLY. Even using our laws specifically. We can save how helpful calling the cops would be in the situation because I get heated of the subject and this takes place in Japan not America.
But all this to say what the Chief did was completely correct to do. “I won’t let you guys have glory because I WANT you guys to be heroes. If you GOT the glory, you’d be cut off because heroes wouldn’t hire sidekicks THAT willing to go rogue. I’m aware it’s not fair because all of you made it out alive. But we need to take this process because things very well could have spun a VERY different direction if circumstances were even SLIGHTLY different.” I think legally speaking only Deku had true defense of another because he TRIED to get Iida and Native out. But that’s also REALLY tough to prove when neither are his family members. (Even though Deku treats everyone like family. Courts wouldn’t know that.) The fact I can make an ACTUAL legal argument out of this event is INSANE. This level of detail is ASTOUNDING for mere character placement and I can’t get enough of this show doing things like that!
Iida has near permanent damage. The injuries are consistent to what you would withstand when it comes to the events and no one gets off really easy unless you outright notice. (Todoroki’s injuries look bad, but those knives thrown into his arm were shallow wounds luckily. And his fire moves would cauterize those wounds and he kept them in instead of leaving the wound open. So there’s medical reasons why he’s the LEAST injured.) Now I can’t say exactly, but I do believe this decision for Iida is actually kinda hindering for his growth in the future. Not mentally or emotionally, but physically. He can’t move his arm completely properly going forward creating what most people call the “Iida Chop.” It is absolutely contagious and I think you would be the 1st reactors I’ve ever seen NOT mock it if you don’t replicate it. But let’s just put it this way and say I REALLY hope you aren’t the 1st ones because I get an absolute KICK out of it. The reason why it happens is terrible, but it might just be the funniest thing in the whole show. It’s not a spoiler because me even saying this doesn’t prepare you. I promise that.
Stain’s ideology is CHILLING. Because he’s CORRECT. Not in his methods but interpretation. This is why he handles so much. He’s hero trained, and is on par with pro heroes. He understands many people try to become heroes not for saving people, but for money and glory. It’s the acting part of the job people always see and desire. (And if it was prestigious school which it likely was considering how good Stain is, the vain and glory seeking would be EVEN MORE likely on the street and not ACTUALLY focused on people.) It’s ignoring that the title of hero means you are a 1st responder, police officer, detective, AND have to keep the public calm all at once in likely life and death battles in place for acting. It’s like the difference of being a literal daredevil who is full of himself and wants attention and a surgeon. Might need focus elsewhere.
All-Might himself says that the mundane and simply just doing good for the public was more common back in the day while training Deku on the beach. Heroes won’t often do things when there’s no glory involved, but they used to do more like mundane helping elderly across the street, cleaning up trash, and basically being Boy Scouts on the side. Which understandably few are willing to do. Deku IS worthy of being a hero as he doesn’t act for glory but for ACTUALLY saving people. Same with All-Might who has been doing this for 40 years. He kinda got the whole acting focused part going, but not intentionally. It’s just how he calmed the crowds. Stain is terrifying because he makes SENSE. He has a logical method even if it’s not correct. And there IS truth in his madness. That’s crazy to say, sure, but you KNOW so many people from every side of the aisle can find something to relate to. And that is why hero trained villains can be so INCREDIBLY dangerous. (Stain stands alone in this class luckily.)
Last we get into the true terror of what Gran Torino said over the phone to All-Might. “The one who killed the 7th holder of OFA, the man who opened the hole in All-Might, the villain known as All For One is back.” And it is whoever knew Stain’s ideology would be capitalized on…yeah. There’s been a number of clues to this man. I’ll add to that and say it’s the only person who has anyway of knowing All-Might is weaker when there’s literally one person in this MASSIVE cast who knows that outside OFA’s inner circle. (At the very least proof positive) It’s the person that informed Shigaraki a speed he couldn’t even so much as TRACK was actually NO WHERE NEAR his best. And only the one who injured him from the outset would know that. And is therefore just as capable as the #1 hero himself…when he could move Mach 1800 instead of his current Mach 30 best. AND he’s connected to the Nomus being made. We have all the clues with JUST the episodes seen up til now. I’d show you. But the invite is “Sound Only.” I have no reason to add Deku into any scaling because…he’s not even on the SPECTRUM of this mess uncovered today. And All-Might knows it.
Remember it like this. One For All is inherently selfless and is held by All-Might and Deku, the 2 most selfless people in the show. And All For One is inherently selfish. And trust me when I say none are more selfish than he is.
Overall this episode just reminds me how real the world of MHA feels because so many of our rules and laws can just be put in directly into the logic of this show. Basically the only other punishment these kids needed was breaking the speed limits on the street by a LOT and I’d say nothing was missed.
I get the point you were trying to make and don't necessarily disagree, but you are deliberately twisting the facts in regards to self defense/defending others.
Lida hands down sought out Stain and thus the battle. Deku was supposed to stay on the train if course. But he didn't seek out a fight, he was looking for Lida because of all of the chaos. And when he found Lida, he wanted to run away with Lida but couldn't escape Stain while carrying Lida and Native.
Shoto makes it clear he had no idea what was going on, but knew Deku wouldn't send his location for no reason.
Shoto and Deku were looking for their friends. Albeit Deku did think his best chance of finding Lida was to search back alleys because that's where most of Stain's attacks occurred.
I think you have a good point overall, but I just dislike this notion that Shoto and Deku were deliberately seeking out a battle when to me it was clear they were looking for their friends. Even when Shoto gets there, he says he doesn't think Stain will let them leave.
It’s great that they used their cooldown episode to do some good world-building.
@@Andrew-rf4lz it’s more to the point that we know that they were trying to get away and ran out of options but that is only from the perspective of the characters not from the heroes or the other law enforcement on the scene. But Native was ordering them to get out, none of the heroes knew their mindsets, and none of them were meant to be at this scene in the 1st place. Courts and police work with evidence.
If they got their info from the fight from Native which they likely had to, he would have to say he ordered the kids away from the scene and they didn’t, and the heroes the kids worked for would have to say they weren’t dispatched to that location and that’s all they needed for this outcome. We know there’s more, but there’s no way to prove it. From the heroes perspective they were headed somewhere with or without their interns, and their interns went elsewhere against orders. And Stain even gave these kids opportunities to leave the scene. Iida he outright told him to run away from the scene before Iida announced he was here to avenge his brother and engaged AGAIN.
Don’t get me wrong there’s defenses but it likely wouldn’t be easy to explain the variety of other factors in this situation. They disagreed with their punishment for a reason, but had to accept it nonetheless.
Also Iida is spelled iida not Lida. It’s weird.
@@Kaempfdogok so another thing about stain and how actually insane he is. He may have been hero trained, but all his work on the field as a vigilante sets him apart in experience. Usual raids and takedowns of villains involve police assistance in order. He did all that solo. Not only did he have connections that would give him blood samples to notable gang members, his feats are no joke. He took down a gang who were clear imitations to the avengers, down to the hulk. He threw a knife hard enough to damage the metal arm of one of them. He paralyzed another member before he could throw a steel shield at the speed of sound. Physically not faster than iida, but could easily react to him. He cut through an iron man like suit with just his sword. He threw two knives to instantly kill two others. Clearly just trying to paralyze deku and todoroki, but one knife throw and they'd both be out of it.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Stain's perspective on their hero society is correct. I mean, his position is ideologically too narrow, he confirms his own biases when it comes to the Iida problem (because he caused that problem in the first place while talking as if he was entirely disconnected from that entire situation), and he doesn't seem to understand how humans actually work. Like, he doesn't understand human behavior being influenced by emotions or incentive structures, and he essentially compares everyone to an abstracted ideal concept of a hero, while "forgetting" that heroes are humans too. While All Might provides remotely similar commentary/criticism on the modern hero, he also makes it clear that heroes are human and even he acknowledges what trying to become an abstract symbolic good had cost him as a person (plus All Might was compensated by his hero work and leaned into the fame and popularity he got from his position and used it to his advantage, even if he wasn't selfishly motivated by it). I don't think Stain recognizes "true" heroes as real human beings.
I love the exposition dialogue of "as you may know"-type. Cliché as old as time.
And so often it could be fixed if you replace that phrase with, “For those who don’t know,”.
Well done with the choice of music for the third discussion break.
The Chief's explanation on the creation of professional heroism and the laws surrounding it answers your question about why heroes don't kill in bnha. The law keeps a tight grip on their ability to use their quirks in any kind of violent/potentially deadly manner. It's treated very seriously. Heroes don't kill because they'd be under threat of having their license removed if they did.
He got that dog in him 👍
That scene was so funny to me 😭
Nice touch with the “All for One” ost
17:46 Best Ringtone!! I know when my cousins calling me.
7:30 Gotta say, that's a really bad take. That would be like saying, in the real world, that if someone tried to attack and murder you in person, you aren't allowed to defend yourself because you might push your attacker into traffic and cause an accident that kills others. Or you aren't allowed to use your own firearm to defend yourself because a stray bullet might hit someone else. It's a bad argument. If you have to defend yourself from an attacker, you're justified in using whatever force or tools necessary to stay alive. If there's collateral damage or harm from your self defense, responsibility for that lies with the attacker.
This strict rule about not using your quirk serves certain specific purposes in this show.
First, and most obviously, it sets up the importance of licensure for heroes. Being licensed as a hero doesn't just mean the government funds you.
Next, it hints at the reason why society is the way it is. We don't see brazen criminals in the real world often, so why are they so common in this world? Easy, criminals know that nobody but a hero can stop them because the law doesn't allow them to. I can attack joe nobody on the street with my quirk, and know for certain that he can't stop me, because it's illegal for him to try. The system enables the villains.
Lastly, it reinforces the limited, strict, rigid society they all live in. This is a world where everyone has their specific place, and nobody is allowed to be anything more than what they already are. Heroes aren't allowed to arrest people, that's the police's job. Police aren't allowed to use quirks to fight criminals, that's for heroes. Every piece in its place, and nobody is allowed to step out of line. SPOILERS: this is why the liberation army gains support and power later on, because everyone is so stifled by the strictness of society, they desire to be free. This is also why Shigaraki ends up where he ends up. Nobody was willing to help, because everyone considered it someone else's job, because nobody is allowed to leave their own lane. This left Shigaraki alone, and prone to being picked up by AFO. This world only works when everyone is a good cog in the machine. We see in season 6 how fragile such a society is, essentially collapsing once certain cogs fail to keep the machine running normally. It all comes down to the strict rigidity of this society, and this regulation of the use of quirks is our first real example of how that strictness gets in the way. END SPOILERS.
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alright Kenny lessgooooo
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damn, Kenny with the instant read, and Montana with the 0 hesitation
Like I said before, MHA Japan would be Magneto's ironic hell.
(At 14:08) I knew there was going to be some nerve damage.
I hope you see this comment, because this debate about if it should be legal or not has always fascinated me. I stand with decision of the police, solely because everyone involved technically had a choice in not being there. Iida was never supposed to be there, he left his mentor. Deku was ordered to stay on the train and went against orders, and Todoroki abandoned his mentor to join the fight. 2 out of the 3 of them didn't even let pros know where they were going. Regardless of the outcome by the standards set in the world, they shouldn't be there
that look you share with Kenny at 10:06 I caught myself smiling the same way lol
I found you guys recently through your Attack on Titan videos and I gotta say I love your reacts! Kenny is similar a lot to me cus he is the first guy I see actually get emotional to anime like me and it's a nice change and Montana actually asks a lot of good questions and is truly trying to understand all these shows keep up the good work!
Also if anyone knows how far is Kenny in MHA?
@@TheGameMaster2904 He's all cought up with the anime and the movies, idk about the manga but I'm like 75% sure he reads it
For me the hero licence thing never really confused me because in some countries we have same type of laws and licences in place. I'm first aider and I have professional licence in the country I work and live in. The licence ties my actions and decision making to the trained area and if I acted against those values or professional judgement I could lose the licence and be banned in the field.
I don't know how these systems are in Japan though. It isn't that uncommon system for police, doctors, nurses and firefighters to have.
Choir Afo music is pretty good 22:06
Its Japanese Mcgruff the Crime Dog
The thought of the depth of the character development of these new villains being introduced is so exciting. I love Montana's thoughts and feelings while watching things so I know she will LOVE IT!
30:55, yeah, but its crazy that there isnt a self-defense clause. If you, or a friend, is being attacked, you should have the right to fight back with a necessary force. But thats the Texan in me, I guess.
Obv. if you OFA smash 100% a person that is unlikely to hurt or damage others, you shouldnt be protected. But if there is a reasonable threat of harm towards another, in Texas you are justified in stopping it with a "minimum necessary force", which can include deadly force in their specific situation.
I think you can compare hero license to gun ownership/carry licence. People are born with with quirks basically has a gun at their disposal at birth, regardless of if a situation demanded it or not, If you used a gun while not licensed, to stop a crime in progress, while the outcome is great, you still however still broke the law. The law is to keep everyone in check so they don't abuse their quirks, regardless if it was done for the right reason. I'm sure punishment given out will take into consideration extenuating circumstances, however it should still be an exception not the rule.
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She is Try D Trick
I was not expecting the ost at discussion 3... chills every time
Montana mentioning someone can't just go vigilante not knowing what happens in season six😂❤ the future has been told lol jk but am i😅😂
Could not be more happy to see the reaction to this episode! I also love these types of episodes, it sets up so much for later, cannot wait for more!
God that music...it sends shivers down the spine....
"Todoroki uses fire" had me *rolling*🤣
In real life..Even in a world without quirks...Apart from authorities who have gotten permission to like shoot the cirminal or hurt them..A normal person has NO authority to hurt someone else unless it is self defense..If a normal person sees a crime..They call the police..Not run and fight the criminal themselves..it is not self defense to run to the criminal and save the victim.
U see..it is not self defense..Because Iida RAN to Stain. He should've called the pro heroes for help..
Montana supporting use of unlicensed powers, seems a lot like a DIRECT comparison to unlicensed firearmes. Should the public be allowed to use unlicensed weapons even if its for a good reason? should deadly powers not be limited by the government.
All for one is the friends we made along the way. 😂😂😂
honestly im with Montana here, just because its a trope doesnt mean its a good idea. like, injuries could get worse, if hes able to he should get it treated, lacking full finger mobility could make him worse hero
I think that the scene with the police chief is something that people tend to not fully grasp. And they tend not to see things from the police chiefs perspective. I think there are a couple points people need to remember.
1. The biggest problem with the situation is that iida was actively trying to pick a fight with stain. He was pretty much going fullblown vigilante with this. He was actively looking to beat stain to a bloody pulp, so iida definetly needed this kind of talk.
2. Although izuku and shoto, went into the situation with the best of intentions, they made a couple of mistakes that technically isn't what they should've done. For one when the nomu attacked the train, gran torino specifically told izuku to stay on the train, and then he pretty much immediately left and ran into the situation. Shoto pretty much did the same thing with endeavor where he just ran during a very dangerous situation. Izuku also went into the situation with stain without bringing a pro hero to help them out. He even has that thought to himself during the beginning of the confrontation, i should've done more to bring a pro with me. Now, the choices izuku, and shoto made were due to the extreme circumstances of the situation with the nomu, causing all of the pro heroes to be tied up, but this was a very extreme circumstance.
3. You have to remember iida, izuku, and shoto are all kids with only a month or two of hero training max. They probably don't want the public to know three kids were caught in this situation, because that would be a bit of pr nightmare. Also its to discourage people who might have dreams of being a hero, but no actual knowledge and training from thinking, well these kids had very little training and brought in this criminal, why shouldn't i be able to do the same.
Agreed, in a world where 80% of the world's population has some kind of (super?)power and to some degree are forced to live with each other, there has to be some way to reasonably control how those powers are used in the societies that are formed, or those societies potentially risk breaking down, or some sort of power vacuum is created when there already isn't a higher authority in place to maintain some level of control and order.
I love how deku can entirely obliterate his arm multiple times in one go, yet Iida suffers permanent damage to his arm after getting stabbed like once on it LOL
Kind of a spoiler...
Im glad that the whole "unlicensed use of a quick to try to do something heroic" thing comes up again later with a different outcome, but i wish it was closer to this part. I think by the time it happens, most people who disagreed with Chief Dog will have forgotten all about this
16:39 Kenny just goes full Heimerdinger for some reason
Kenny, the music? REALLY KENNY REALLLLY Lmao i'm cracking up as she's speaking, Damn if only we had BG music in real life lmao....
Love your 4th wall moments. lol
It wasn’t so much them defending themselves that got them in trouble. Self defense is still a thing. The issue was that they sought out the fight. For good reasons, but still.
Shoto had every right to call the chief police dog 'mutt' i mean he said ''i see UA and Endeavour haven't taught you near enough'' he already has enough trauma
I think the whole "license for quirks" thing is very comparable to the whole argument behind the 2nd amendment in the US. What you mentioned how if you have quirks and see someone else abusing their quirks on others, are you supposed to stand there and watch the victims die? Same question could be asked but replacing "quirks" with "gun". How should our laws be adjusted if at all in a society where there are more guns than people? Its interesting to see a show like My Hero bringing up such a topic.
This is a good episode. I watched an ex-police officer reactor get mad at the chief of police in the show when these types of laws are similar to those in our world and as an ex-police officer he really should have agreed with the show.
Due to quirks, some citizens of this world have lethal weapons built into their bodies. Iida went out with intent to injure or possibly kill someone with a lethal weapon whom he thought might be a criminal and judged as guilty. Society cannot tolerate that.
Of course, one can always defend themselves from attack. Deku and Todoroki could have easily gotten out of trouble with a self-defense claim. They were defending themselves from attack. Heck, they may have been able to get the acclaim of defeating Stain without the punishment of vigilante justice. However, if they did that, it would have almost certainly come to light what Iida did and his career would have been over.
Luckily, everyone who knew they fought mistook the situation as three teenagers being overzealous and specifically the chief didn’t want three bright eyed teens to end their careers early over a mistake.
Iida got really lucky. And thankfully for him his two friends kept their mouths shut. Iida is always so reverent towards rules. After this one time breaking them and being spared, you can be sure he won’t easily do so again. In fact, he’ll probably be even more by-the-books than before.
If he was American of course he'd disagree. The right to bear arms allows you to use firearms in acts of self defence when you've exhausted all other options. It's fucking insane that in this world if you are being threatened and at risk of death your only gope is to pray that a hero gets here bwcause you have no other option without having your life ruined in jail
@@python1972 Self-defense via arms is one thing, but it's not like America wholly encourages the use of firearms without some kind of indication that you're properly trained, usually in the form of safety training and valid licenses/permits. The situation with these kids is more analogous to three kids using firearms while unlicensed, if not also not as well-trained as they ideally should be.
I love these videos but did bro just say that the law is right, he understands that means that ppl would die and he basically said children like Ilda should die because a licensed hero wasn’t around. Yeah, no. I agree with girl (apologies I dunno y’all’s names)
I feel like using your quirk in self-defense or defense of others is a lot like using a professional medical qualification: if all you've got is the absolute basics like CPR or vaguely half-remembering some random youtube video, you're likely covered by Good Samaritan laws, but the moment you start actually getting trained Scope of Practice limitations kick in: A random civilian accidentally killing someone with their quirk, or poorly done CPR, they had no possible way of knowing better. Someone with any actual training? Should absolutely be capable of holding back wherever possible.
t's also an insurance issue: A fully licensed healthcare professional is easier to insure than a newbie just learning, and anyone else even close to that situation is in extremely extenuating circumstances.
In this case, the severe injuries to Stain were easy to argue as being due to incompetence in holding back enough, rather than panic-smashing; the in-the-moment bit of his insane willpower is too hard to prove.
All for One was in your heart all along.
Montana's reaction to learning that, in effect, the superheroes are not allowed to harm anyone with their powers, no matter how dire the situation, if they haven't gotten the proper approval for it beforehand.
Yeah, this is in Japan, where they don't have the 2nd Amendment or the idea that defending yourself and others takes precedence over government authority.
In Japan if someone assaults you and then you say they assaulted you, you can be sued for defamation. So self defense is way out on their radar
After watching that scene where Midoriya talked with Uraraka on the phone, my mind is thinking:
"Damn... He's got better rizz than Mineta."
Most people do
I don’t think anyone truly recognizes how out of pocket Todoroki calling the Chief of Police a mutt was. In MHA that was basically a racial slur.
Charisma is not the ability to make people like you, it's the ability to make people feel something powerful (hope, hate, joy, fear) -- stain has charisma in spades
Not at all. Charisma is what others may call magnetism, it's when you have one or more qualities that make your personality attractive to others, which in turn will make some want to follow your lead in some way or form.
Totally separate from feeling fear or joy or love towards the charismatic person in question. Charisma isn't tied to any other emotion aside from some form of attraction (which doesn't even have to be romantic or sexual or even strong enough to make you feel more than that).That's precisely why someone can be charismatic AND frightful or adorable or nothing else at all, key word being "and" and not therefore or any other alike.
Which is also why someone can be charismatic (some trait of theirs is actually attractive/ admirable), but them as whole (with the rest of their traits) be someone you dislike. Like when someone is physically super hot, but they're boring or, worse, an absolute asshole; you'll end up not liking them at all but still think "damn they're hot".
I've ended up making the explanation quite long, so sorry for that. But thankfully it's also easier to understand lol