Seeing Danny on an old video I haven't seen kinda broke my heart. I miss your smile, Danny. Great video by the way! I had heard a lot of these myths from my dad.
I remember when I was a kid I had a ruger 10/22 (still got it) and me and my friends thought scoring on the .22 shell like that or with a X crossed score on the top it would shred its target. We all lived in the country in Ohio practically all the kids passed the idea around like some urban legend. It makes me a little happy to see that there was a bit of truth in our "legend", makes dulling all our pocket knives and cut fingers trying to put those scores on our .22 shells not seem so pointless...
Agreed 👍 The scientific, semi-scientific, and not scientific data is very helpful beyond its entertainment value. The friendly comradery brings it all together.
Speaking of unsolved mysteries a lot of bullet modifications came about because our grandparents and great grandparents did not have money or access to ammo variety and quantity. Cut shells were a way for shotguns to use bird shot for medium game. Split bullets were a way to add wounding properties to ball ammo for self defense and game animals. My grandfather told me many stories growing up in the great depression and hunting. No food, just a bit of water or other drink and he would be gone for days scrounging for himself and hunting game for his family to supplement what he could buy when jobs were available.
Few meters it wouldnt matter but I would hate to try to make consistent shots with RDR2 style carved split points. If you moulded them with a split you could predict the path but cqrved by camp knife no way in hell.
I have seen this done by my dad. Also knew some nasty fellows who opened up the end of some bigger caliber bullet's and put a certain liquid metal inside and capped it with candle wax. Of course I've heard of putting a mixture that's pressure sensitive in with I believe a tiny piece of cork first. Sealed the same way. Here is the thing. If by some chance this is experimented with and I'm saying now don't, unless you know what you are doing. Even then I recommend just leaving it alone.
Happy New Year to the Tao-folks! I remember in Field and Stream magazine back in the 70`s, they advertised real neat stuff in the back. One was a die that fitted a standard 22 round and just a tad bit of bullet was exposed to the top. You took and filed off the tip and you had yourself a flat nosed 22. Good for production style modification and more consistant end product, supposedly.
Lol this is from a movie called Bear? Or the The Bear. Hunters in the movie would cut the a cross in the point, in the movie made it go through a tree. Movie magic.
@@kentuckywindage222 That "liquid metal" transformation was used by some citizens to thwart the existence of some of the really bad guys (the ones known as criminals in the community) in a certain city once known as the murder capital of the world. After said cleansing, the city's crime rate dropped considerably.
@@TruthIsTheNewHate84 I was about a fourth grader, maybe fifth grader, in 1989 watching it. it was one of the first shows I remember actually scaring me where I was really scared or it changed how I acted in public and paid attention to my surroundings.
@@joshuagibson2520 yeah I was also a kid. Dont remember how old. I do remember getting excited any time they would have a paranormal story. Thise always scared me as a kid. Back them Unsolved Mysteries was the only tv show that had paranormal stuff. Now there's all kinds of paranormal shows but they are all pretty bad compared to Unsolved Mysteries.
@@TruthIsTheNewHate84 you're right. It was certainly the first. It was a damn great decade. I know I sound like that old fart, but it was. My life is split in half by 911 and cell phones it seems vs the world we lived in back then. I'm 42 so yeah. 22 years before and 21 after pretty much.
We played with so many variations on this - the best balance of accuracy and "shredding power" was drilling the nose with a pin vise, then filling the hole back in with bondo (yup). Accuracy stayed good because the shape was the same but the bullet opens like a hollow point on impact. I'm sure something better is around but it worked really well.
Ive put over 200 hours into playing red dead redemption 2 so i already know that split tip bullets are at least 25% more effective than standards . And you have to be sitting next to your camp fire to make them.
@@kanaka118446 youre right! I played for months before i realized there was a crafting option in the same wheel slot as the campsite selection. Used to be a pain in the ass setting up and tearing down camp each time just to make a few improved arrows haha
I’ve done this for years. Impressive results. The OTHER 22 modification I use do is dieseling. Where I put a small amount of fine machine oil in the hollow point then cap it off with paraffin or crayon. The compression upon impact sets off the oil like a diesel engine. Also works in air rifles to accelerate the round.
Yeah 'dieseling' does work 'in a pinch' but it won't do any favours for an air-rifle, they just are not built for it? Had never thought of it in the nose of a .22 hollow point, very interesting! I used to fill the hollow points with wax to make them go faster? I honestly don't know if it was worth the effort? I would love to see the diesel .22 rounds in slow-mo on a target but I wouldn't like to eat anything that had been shot with one. Pax MrArcher.
Makes me wonder if a tiny piece of tannerite would go off in a hollow point...if it had enough velocity. I have put some oil in the hollow bases of 10.5gr .177 pellets. The chronograph went from 770FPS to ~990FPS, so yeah, it works.
@RuckusBernal Your question is confusing, but that last part of 'adding extra mass' doesn't happen because the high compression of air behind the pellet combusts the oil (dieseling), thus creating expanding gases, increasing the pressure/propulsion to shoot the pellet. So, there is no 'added mass' because it vaporized and burned away instantly as the pellet left the chamber.
I remember The "Box O' Truth", and actually saw the guy one time at an outdoor event in Central Texas many years ago, though I didn't get to meet him, WAY too many people.
As a young teen hunting squirrel, & rabbit, an old timer showed me how to split 22 lead round nose bullets. We only went about 1/8th inch deep in an X pattern with our pocket knives. This was devastating on smalll game. I was hunting to feed our family, and neighbors back in the early 60's. Hollow points wasn't available, and more expensive. Those were truly goods ole days. Semper Fi.
These are very similar to old martini henry dum dum rounds, but I think those had a cross and not a single line, which were banned in the haegs convention.
Hey Jeff & Danny! In my humble opinion this is one of the best & most informative vids you've done so far. Far more scientific and useful! I hope to see more videos with such comparisons. Happy new year!
One of my favorite episodes so far. As much fun as it is shooting random stuff, doing it comparatively and noting results, was very interesting (and scientific)
I'm 43 secs into the video. We did all sorts of mods on .22's when I was a "kid". The result of our very scientific experiments showed us that it affects accuracy a lot :) Let's see what Jeff and Danny can do. Happy Healthy 2021!!
I did the same Lars, though sometimes I think I never grew out of that "kid" phase, ha. I look forward to seeing your channel grow more this year and all the fun videos you and the family make!
A simple thin straight in cut is all that’s needed also depth we used was half seen here & we didn’t see much accuracy loss & similar results, but to be honest a Phillips head tap is all you need to do
The "Box o' Truth" was cool. He did stuff similar to what you all do but as you said it was all still photography with a written narrative. There hasn't been anything new going on there for a few years. I really appreciated what he did with what he had.
Fantastic comparison. So impressed by the results on the various targets. Tells a lot more than the gel. The 3rd can flew back like movies show people reacting when shot with a shotgun. Almost comical. Thanks guys!!! I've had the hollow points for years and never knew if it really would make any difference for a .22.
I did some bullet modifications myself in the early 1980's I filed solid points down to semi wadcutter and wadcutter tips. I also drilled out some hollow point fodder to deepen and/or expand the hole. I used Rem Golden and CCI Mini-Mag for my tests. For ease of loading I shot from an Ithaca 49 single shot rifle. Got some interesting results in the days before videos. Never tried splitting like you did. Was lotsa fun watchin' this and remembering my "escapades" back in the day. Man-o-Manischewitz, a boss video.
I take my knife to the tip of all my .22 RN bullets, give it a nice 'x' on the tip. I should shoot some shit with them and recover the bullets to see if it does anything. Hmm...
I grew up shooting a lot of .22 ammo, including short, long, and long rifle. I received my first "real" gun at about 10 years of age, a Remington bolt action single-shot .22 rifle (sorry but I don't recall the model). Being a single-shot bolt action, it would use any of the standard .22 rounds. I would disappear into the woods and fields of northeast Texas for a day or multiple days with that rifle, a handfull of shells in my pocket, a machete, and a pocket knife (plus a blanket roll and a pot/large cup if going for more than a single day). I practiced on the old small snuff cans (about the size of the old 35mm film cans) at 20, 30 and 40 yards, with the cans both standing and end-on. My grandmother had a country store, so I recovered a lot of those little cans from the trash. My eyes were better back then, and I was pretty accurate. You need to be with a small diameter bullet like .22". Groove shown at the beginning of this video looks too deep. I expected the bullet to fragment, as .22LR is known to do anyway, so I was NOT surprised at its performance in the gel. The .22LR is too small and light without expansion, so hollow points would usually be the ticket. Now, I have known personally and read of others, all of whom lived in the back country and mountains, that took deer with a 22LR. They claimed head and especially spine shots behind the head. Not something I ever felt was a good idea, as it was likely to leave a wounded animal running off and suffering needlessly. However, these were NOT seasonal sport hunters, and their family's food supply depended on their hunting. In that position I would probably do the same. A shallower cross (like a plus sign) worked well for me in the past on solid nose (not hollow point) .22 bullets. Such a mod to a .22 Short Subsonic bullet worked well on sub-dog-sized animals. A large aggressive tomcat comes to mind from decades ago. After the second $100 vet bill for my wife and daughter's cats, I took it out with just such a low noise round and filed cross. Dropped instantly and the neighbors never heard a thing. No suppressor was needed firing such a quiet round out a door from inside a home. A subsonic .22 Short is not a high velocity round, and a mod to assist expansion meant it never exited that big cat's body. The perfect nuisance remover in an urban neighborhood scenario. Just ensure your point of aim does not allow too high of a trajectory, so any miss or exiting bullets bury in the ground or some other absorbing background material.
I've had to change my phone and service provider. A gift really. Becsuse I am going through the catalogue again and it's great to see Danny at his best. God bless pal.
@@Eidolon1andOnly yeah, the round tip was the loudest, but that's not saying much lol the hollow point was more of a muted thud than a bang, and the split tip did a WEEEEEEEEEEEE . Like one of those little carnival prize rings that you blow into lol
so, a note to this, a .22LR split point didnt leave a raccoons skull at 3 inches away, i did the whole here kitty kitty before i put my glasses on and popped it
This was an interesting and very cleanly made video. Just well structured and edited and I really liked the direct comparisons showed backed to back. Made the results easy to understand and compare, which is something not everyone manages to do. Not that the usual videos are bad by any stretch, this one was just particularly good, so i figured I'd leave a comment for the algorithm in appreciation.
I'd expect the answ we s to both questions to be "Not very well." A shallower "+" in a solid tip S, L, or LR should feed and fly without much difference to those without the "+" in the nose. As light as those bullets are, a shallower "+" in the nose should still improve expansion.
Been messing with rimfire a lot lately and after today have learned with slight alterations i can get a .22lr CCI Mini Mag expanded better than good with four distinct corners from an NAA 1 and 1/8th inch barrel. For the four corners achieved i literally used a philips screwdriver but only after slightly expanding the hollow cavity and neatening the edges before applying pressure with a philips. .22lr lead is so soft it takes no power tools and can be run through pretty quickly after. Learned a lot about bullet performance between bonded and non bonded led to jackets in .22mag. Its all for fun and curiosity but an old video here is what sparked my interest in seeing if things can be modified without causing more problems than good. *edit for anyone curious ive posted two photos to back up at least what i was trying to explain with four corners. No joke from a barrel just over an inch, i got textbook expansion.
Always liked Paul Harrell’s advice better, if using .22 for defense, aim for the ‘right spot‘ (head). Doing that there’s no need to worry about 12 inches of penetration, therefore I’m always using CCI Stingers (hollows).
Expansion is everything in self defense if you can make a 1/2" hole in 4" or 5" is way better than a 1/4" hole 12" deep more damage in more organs / muscle the better.
@@dan379 - hence the development of the shotgun.... “You know, if we make a much larger hole 🕳 in the pipe and stuff in a whole lot more to come back out.....” “By George, I think you’re on to something there!”
Another great video! I love my .22s and their versatility. I'm still catching up on some older vids. Rest easy Danny. Hopefully you've got tons of range time up there.
I liked this video. Awesome to see what a round does down range with such a scientific perspective. I searched the comments as far down as my aging eyes would allow and didn’t find anyone commenting on what the reason truly is for so much added damage with the hollow point and then the split-point. For those who don’t know this, more damage is done at the time of impact when the hollow point hits, as all or most of the air following the round enters the entry hole and expands the cavity made by the round. And the split-point is dragging probably twice the amount of air into the entry point, as the nose of the round has more resistance, so it’s also pushing more air. The word we Long Distance Canoe makers call it is Cavitation. Like those squirt guns you fire the water from into the mouth of the clown heads at your local county fair each year. The water, let’s say is the air following the round and the balloon is the actual jell, putty or game we’re hunting. **What I would Really like to see next is the difference between .40 cal Ball, Hollow Point and then Hydro-Shock ammunition. I’d really like to see what the Hydro’s do to the silly putty 🥴
We did this with the old 22-shorts lead round nose back in the 50's/60's and found 2 things about them. 1st was the split tips definitely DID more damage but accuracy suffered a bunch...I mean it was hard to even hit a soup can at 30yrds with the split tips. Even tried shallower cuts...we did a cross cut instead of the straight across cut here but i don't think it matters much...ACCURACY just went out the window so we only used them during deer season where they came in close enough for a head shot. Untouched round nose hit regular out to 50/60 yards and the split tips never came close so you had to be really close for them to get any rabbits, especially any quail, dove or grouse. We usually only had meat if my Dad or I brought it home and all we could afford were the 22-shorts in those days...hell, I can't afford them today at what they cost now, IFFFFF you can even find them. ( I know shorts are no longer available, I'm talking just ANY 22 ammo, period. ) We decided that the untouched-straight-out-of-the-box round nose was the better choice and just placed our shots to get food for home. This was cool seeing the results and commentary. You guys are cool and crack me up so keep 'er going guys...THANKS
Some questions to play around for .22 - Would using a the 40 grain with a drill press to create a hollow-point yielder greater results by removing some weight and allowing the round to go faster while still having the more pliable lead core as opposed to a FMJ HP or FMJ. Same question, but with a CCi Stinger that reaches 1640 FPS with a 32 grain projectile. There's also the new all copper .22 round that is supposed to push close to 2000 fps. Just some thoughts on what might be good, and does doing things like this destabilize the round even if care is taken to ensure you are going down the dead center of the round.
restucturing the round may cause it to move slower the mass surface air friction has increased by the amount of surface inside the hole this configuration may also affect accuracy if slug wobbles in flight tests are the only way to determine if any of these things really make sense teenagers shooting squirrels is not very scientific
When I was younger I would do things like this to my .22lr rounds. Always got small drill bits and made large hollow points or sharpen them with a file.
we Kentucky boys call them "hillbilly hollow points" great video Jeff... and great shooting Danny. thanks and Happy New Year to the entire TAOFLEDERMAUS crew!
People have been modifying bullets ever since there have been bullets. Back in the late 1800’s they were known as “dum-dums” and are great defensive rounds. If all I have to defend myself is a .22 and some idiot comes at me with a large knife, I don’t want him to keep coming and carve me up even with a dozen rounds of unmodified bullets in him before he drops.
My dad had an H&R .22LR 9 shot revolver when I was growing up. I remember shooting squirrels with it, and I used to take the solid lead bullets and drill the tips to make hollow points.
I would’ve liked to have seen how much the accuracy suffers at 50/100 yards on the split tail. Of course now CCI makes segmented .22 ammo, but not always easy to find.
Been using split points since I was a kid 35+ years ago since we couldn’t get hollow point in “the people’s republic of Hawai’i” after the bs 80’s gun laws bs till recently (think comufornia is bad?! ya ain’t seen shite son) & it’s damn near dead nuts same as hollow, try it on 5.56 7.62 etc yourself & enjoy the results, stops over penetration when blowing a hole through 5 houses could be “bad” & makes a spectacular wound, the larger the caliber the more impressive it becomes, only got to pop one through a 50 cal into “ballistic gell” & DAMN! wasn’t anything left to examine just tiny bits EVERYwhere, but the rifles owner was cringing to even try it once crying we were going to ruin the barrel & since ain’t mine, one & done, we also made homemade “wad cutter” by cutting two straight in (that’s all ya really need to do with split pony also) at 90 degrees to each other & depending on caliber will either show little difference or a HOLY SHIT difference, the larger the grain round & hotter the load can be impressive but results will vary Semper Fi
I'm in my 40s and have been doing that since I got my first .22 in my early teens. I did it to my round nose bullets to turn them into a "hollow point". Round nose bullets were cheaper. Awesome to know that it actually makes a difference.
totally did this two days ago and it didnt leave the raccoons skull. true story, thought it was my cat till i put on my glasses wondering why it was grunting at me
It would be cool to do a follow up of converting 22lr round house to split point, and then doing split points in larger calibers that have soft points like 357, 44, and 30-30, and seeing how a split point version compares.
I used to shoot CCI Stingers and CCi QuickShocks. The QuickShocks were my favourites for squirrels and gophers. The bug difference between the two rounds were that the Quickshocks were a segmented round and would break into three segments upon impact. I'd love to see if you guys could find a box of them and test them out!
Your soap test reminds me Kentucky Ballistics' paraffin block experiment not so long ago. Pretty damn spectacular thing when it comes to high energy bullets btw
The issue i have with nearly all .22 gel tests is that most real targets for a 22(other than human-human defense) will be much less massive, more like 2-4inch thick rather than 10-15. its why the lemons were a good choice, showed expansion was significant in that first inch. Soap maybe not as insightful due to hardness properties but still fun. 'd like to see this with "quiet" lower energy rounds like you would use for small varmints around farm buildings. Maybe compare the home split to a CCI's quiet segmented, subsonic segmented, and 27gr hollowpoint shorts, if i can find them in stock anywhere. Maybe I'll order some of my own calibrated citrus, but I don't have a high speed camera will need to base it on aftermath.
I first heard use of the split point bullet when I was a kid reading a novel about an african boy who did this for a larger caliber on a hunting rifle to kill buffalo. And I first tried it successfully using split point ,22 bullets on gophers (Columbia Ground Squirrels) sometime in the early 1970s, because it was cheaper to buy round nose .22 cartridges and split the bullets than buying ,22 hollow point cartridges. Many gophers died in their burrows after being shot with .22 round nose rounds so I didn't get the 10 cent per tail bounty on them and that is why I switched to .22 hollow point cartridges. I decided to try using .22 split point bullets on targets first to check accuracy and found no significant difference to unmodified cartridges. After observing the accuracy and the exit point damage to the plywood target backstop I decided to try the modified rounds on gophers and was pleased to find they resulted in quick kills with recoverable dead gophers which I then got paid for, making it possible to buy more boxes of .22 cartridges with the resulting bounties than I was able to with just .22 round nose rounds.
Wow, what a great video, lots of info, amazing. Splitpoint, holy crap, devastating. You can here the ricochet, or energy release of the bullet. Stay safe.
Interesting results, I’ve been hunting rabbits with the same cci hp ammo. I’ll have to try some standard rn and see if tissue damage is less, I generally head shoot but occasionally I’ll hit the neck or have a round go out the opposite shoulder. The shoulder is a loss for the most part when that happens, range is anywhere from 10-50y so a solid rn would kill just as well.
It's funny that I was thinking you need to shoot some oranges, and moments later you were shooting lemons. I was SO close. Of all the things in the world you could have used as targets, we both thought of citrus first.
One of the prettiest mushrooms I ever had was 44 years ago, I fired a CCI Mini-Mag HP from a Marlin 60 point blank into a golf ball. The golf ball flew quite a ways, I recovered it, cut it apart and the slug uniformly mushroomed all the way back to the heel. It was beautiful! I kept it for years, no telling where it is now.
I used to cut a good deep cross in the end of a flat tipped .45-70 when I went elk hunting. My rifle looked a sporterized mess of old rusty iron & fiberglass reinforced nylon with just a spattering of JB Weld, but it had a scope & shot in the same place every time. With such a massive, low velocity slug, there was no difference in how the bullets flew through the air, aside from a slightly reduced range. Those .45-70s have a trajectory like a rainbow for a distance greater than a couple of hundred yards though. Kentucky windage was used so frequently that the adjustments were made subconsciously.
When I was a kid, 73 years ago, my dad and a neighbor put 1/8 th inch steel punch plugs from punching holes in sheet metal, the neighbor worked in a machine shop and provided the steel plugs, but they put some in 22 HPs and some with a drop of candle wax in some under the plug. All this was to see what that did to apples oranges, pomegranates, along with many other small items.. Pretty much what you did in this video, it was AMAZIMG what they would do. The best part was the accuracy was not affected like I find with the split tip. If I remember right they were shooting at 50 yards with no change but most targets were just gone with the punched steel plug with one drop of candle wax under it. Try that some time I would like to see that again.
When I was a kid, we used to split 22 shorts for rabbit hunting. This was in the 40's when 22 shorts cost .25 cents and long rifles cost 48 cents a box.
@@mdbizzl I'm now over 80 years old. When we did this trick with the 22"s my parents gave me and my brothers 10 cents a week for allowance. We split the bullets' because they were much more effective.
Very good, scientific video. The high speed canera is a great plus. Could you conduct a Part 2 and add an accuracy comparison? And yes, split solid point would be interesting, too. My prediction - unmodified hollow points expand well and have superior accuracy (over split bullets) for shots >50'
Looks to see what happened to the Box of Truth guy. As of 5/15/2020 "I'm still here guys. I appreciate all the kind comments. But as Mark Twain once observed, "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." I've had some health issues that have kept me from going to the range as often as I used too. But I am doing fine."
As a kid my dads old jcw semi auto ate all the cut up,Phillips and drill bit modded crap I threw at it lol. Stove pipe here and there because no one taught me to clean a gun till much later lol
You can modify a .22 bullet far beyond what was done here with a single cut. We used to hunt big rats near a city dump. Solids would just go through them and hollow points weren't much better. Looking for something with much better energy transfer, we designed our own bullets. We would take a single edge razor blade and cut off about 1/8" of a hollow point, making a lighter, flat nosed bullet. We would enlarge the hollow point with a larger drill bit. The final modification was to make two vertical cuts with the razor blade making a flat nosed, X cut, magnum hollow point that probably weighed all of 20 grains. It was very fast and would literally toss a rat several feet, at close range. Admittedly, they weren't all that accurate but at the range we were shooting with pistols, it was good enough. Superb transfer of energy and fun to make. Careful with the razor blades or you'll cut more than the bullet...
telling danny he died and that slight "mmm" just sent a strange ripple through my body. god im gonna miss danny. keep popping those rounds and givin the taofleder folks luck and love from the sky man rip.
Now in 1080p-60. Hello 2017!
I thought my eyes were getting better lol!
Looks great.
Ay happy New Years guys! Love the new content♥️
Oh shit also can y’all do some kinda wood projectile tests out of smooth bores?
Hello i love ur vids and i wish i could get those spljt hollow points for ground hogs
Rest in peace Danny 🙏 I love watching videos of you still on here.
Seeing Danny on an old video I haven't seen kinda broke my heart. I miss your smile, Danny.
Great video by the way! I had heard a lot of these myths from my dad.
THese are still hard for me to watch
@@taofledermausremember the joy. Forget the bad. Celebrate the memories.
@@taofledermaus Took me a decade before I could look at pictures of my dad and smile.
Same. RIP Danny!
I like Danny's stance on .22.
"When it goes down thats the one thats coming with me"
"I can eat, I can defend."
Right on, Danny.
is it the best for everything probably not but its a solid cartridge
@@Lleesstreett especially when you can carry 5,000 of them and hardly know you have em in your pack. Not happening with the "popular caliber."
@@raulduke7142 well lets say i weighed out 5, 30-06 rounds and it equaled 56 .22 long rifle.
@@TheDmantheman100 Ounces equal Pounds, Pounds equal Pain.
5k .22 and you won't know you have them?
I remember when I was a kid I had a ruger 10/22 (still got it) and me and my friends thought scoring on the .22 shell like that or with a X crossed score on the top it would shred its target. We all lived in the country in Ohio practically all the kids passed the idea around like some urban legend. It makes me a little happy to see that there was a bit of truth in our "legend", makes dulling all our pocket knives and cut fingers trying to put those scores on our .22 shells not seem so pointless...
yes sir it works or has the last 50 year
I remember copying this from that scene taxi driver lol
@@arahusni2038I copied it from The video game red dead redemption
We did the same in Washington from the 50's and beyond.
I believe that was a thing back when there wasn’t hollow point bullets.
To Jeff and the crew:
I really appreciate all of your work over the last several years. (Decade?) Thank you.
And I’m so glad that Danny is a ok Have a great New Year everyone 😀
@@woochang405 amen to that. I saw a cane in the background and got a little sad.
thank you Joshua!
Agreed 👍
The scientific, semi-scientific, and not scientific data is very helpful beyond its entertainment value.
The friendly comradery brings it all together.
Joshua Gibson
Cane? I don't use one. Might have been a camera tripod??? 🤷🏼♂️. 🇺🇸😎
I'm Danny and welcome to Unsolved Taofledermauses...
Speaking of unsolved mysteries a lot of bullet modifications came about because our grandparents and great grandparents did not have money or access to ammo variety and quantity. Cut shells were a way for shotguns to use bird shot for medium game. Split bullets were a way to add wounding properties to ball ammo for self defense and game animals. My grandfather told me many stories growing up in the great depression and hunting. No food, just a bit of water or other drink and he would be gone for days scrounging for himself and hunting game for his family to supplement what he could buy when jobs were available.
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@@TechNiVoltisgr3at I understand the proper plurality... I was making a joke..
Hi Danny!
AWESOME 😎
was playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and was wondering how split points actually compared in real life! Great timing.
they didnt compare accuracy, i can see split points being much worse than hollow
I was wondering the same thing
Few meters it wouldnt matter but I would hate to try to make consistent shots with RDR2 style carved split points. If you moulded them with a split you could predict the path but cqrved by camp knife no way in hell.
Wish I could play rdr2 I lost my data disk and dont feel like buying another😂
at least they increase your dead eye
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I like to see these older videos, and seeing Danny. He lives on.
I really enjoyed this one. My dad used to make cuts on solid nose bullets when he was out of hollow points to make his own segmented bullets.
Thanks! I'd love to see your take on it if you run out of other things to do!
I have seen this done by my dad. Also knew some nasty fellows who opened up the end of some bigger caliber bullet's and put a certain liquid metal inside and capped it with candle wax. Of course I've heard of putting a mixture that's pressure sensitive in with I believe a tiny piece of cork first. Sealed the same way. Here is the thing. If by some chance this is experimented with and I'm saying now don't, unless you know what you are doing. Even then I recommend just leaving it alone.
Happy New Year to the Tao-folks! I remember in Field and Stream magazine back in the 70`s, they advertised real neat stuff in the back. One was a die that fitted a standard 22 round and just a tad bit of bullet was exposed to the top. You took and filed off the tip and you had yourself a flat nosed 22. Good for production style modification and more consistant end product, supposedly.
Lol this is from a movie called Bear? Or the The Bear.
Hunters in the movie would cut the a cross in the point, in the movie made it go through a tree. Movie magic.
@@kentuckywindage222
That "liquid metal" transformation was used by some citizens to thwart the existence of some of the really bad guys (the ones known as criminals in the community) in a certain city once known as the murder capital of the world.
After said cleansing, the city's crime rate dropped considerably.
The difference in performance is quite surprising. Well done guys. The end card is epic :)
Your hackers failed. Freaky creepy Joe were elected. WTF man?
Thank you Lars!
@@taofledermaus Hey Jeff: take a Foster Slug, and cut a slit in the nose.. I am curious if it'll react like the .22
@@laughingdog747 Squirrels & Bunnies - head shots @ 30 yards. :~) - Joe -
Isn't the point of modifying a .22 to turn a cheap round-nose into an expanding bullet? Seems like a waste to turn a hollowpoint into a split-nose.
I'll never tire of you using the unsolved mysteries theme. Shows our age, but IDC. :)
Hell im not even American and I love these guys
I used to love watching that show. That was back before everyone had cell phones.
@@TruthIsTheNewHate84 I was about a fourth grader, maybe fifth grader, in 1989 watching it. it was one of the first shows I remember actually scaring me where I was really scared or it changed how I acted in public and paid attention to my surroundings.
@@joshuagibson2520 yeah I was also a kid. Dont remember how old. I do remember getting excited any time they would have a paranormal story. Thise always scared me as a kid. Back them Unsolved Mysteries was the only tv show that had paranormal stuff. Now there's all kinds of paranormal shows but they are all pretty bad compared to Unsolved Mysteries.
@@TruthIsTheNewHate84 you're right. It was certainly the first.
It was a damn great decade. I know I sound like that old fart, but it was. My life is split in half by 911 and cell phones it seems vs the world we lived in back then. I'm 42 so yeah. 22 years before and 21 after pretty much.
We played with so many variations on this - the best balance of accuracy and "shredding power" was drilling the nose with a pin vise, then filling the hole back in with bondo (yup).
Accuracy stayed good because the shape was the same but the bullet opens like a hollow point on impact.
I'm sure something better is around but it worked really well.
Kind of like the Hornady bullets with the rubber tips, yeah?
Ive put over 200 hours into playing red dead redemption 2 so i already know that split tip bullets are at least 25% more effective than standards . And you have to be sitting next to your camp fire to make them.
Brooo, that’s exactly what I thought when I clicked on the video. Next I need to see a video on homing tomahawks
You can make them from horseback too I think.
@@kanaka118446 youre right! I played for months before i realized there was a crafting option in the same wheel slot as the campsite selection. Used to be a pain in the ass setting up and tearing down camp each time just to make a few improved arrows haha
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Red dead redemption is relevant to a ballistics comparative review? So a couple of porn clips made you a stud. Mmhhhmm
I’ve done this for years. Impressive results. The OTHER 22 modification I use do is dieseling. Where I put a small amount of fine machine oil in the hollow point then cap it off with paraffin or crayon. The compression upon impact sets off the oil like a diesel engine. Also works in air rifles to accelerate the round.
Yeah 'dieseling' does work 'in a pinch' but it won't do any favours for an air-rifle, they just are not built for it? Had never thought of it in the nose of a .22 hollow point, very interesting! I used to fill the hollow points with wax to make them go faster? I honestly don't know if it was worth the effort? I would love to see the diesel .22 rounds in slow-mo on a target but I wouldn't like to eat anything that had been shot with one.
Pax MrArcher.
Makes me wonder if a tiny piece of tannerite would go off in a hollow point...if it had enough velocity. I have put some oil in the hollow bases of 10.5gr .177 pellets. The chronograph went from 770FPS to ~990FPS, so yeah, it works.
I think eddgun leishi does that for some of his squirrel videos.
@RuckusBernal Your question is confusing, but that last part of 'adding extra mass' doesn't happen because the high compression of air behind the pellet combusts the oil (dieseling), thus creating expanding gases, increasing the pressure/propulsion to shoot the pellet. So, there is no 'added mass' because it vaporized and burned away instantly as the pellet left the chamber.
"It is very hard to find bullets in silly putty."
That's the kind of scientific conclusion that only TFM can provide!
I believe the King of Random confirmed this in one episode as well.
But you can't argue with the accuracy of that conclusion! lol
"Jesus will help you aim"
I remember The "Box O' Truth", and actually saw the guy one time at an outdoor event in Central Texas many years ago, though I didn't get to meet him, WAY too many people.
He's is still alive. He still posts on ar15.com "Old_Painless" is his member name there.
I remember using the web site to research which rounds to use for duty and backup guns at my department...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😎😎😎
@@kirkstickney7394 the website is still there. www.theboxotruth.com/
I still look at that site now and then. It is a good format since you can take more time looking at the results and reading what they wrote.
As a young teen hunting squirrel, & rabbit, an old timer showed me how to split 22 lead round nose bullets. We only went about 1/8th inch deep in an X pattern with our pocket knives. This was devastating on smalll game. I was hunting to feed our family, and neighbors back in the early 60's. Hollow points wasn't available, and more expensive. Those were truly goods ole days.
Semper Fi.
These are very similar to old martini henry dum dum rounds, but I think those had a cross and not a single line, which were banned in the haegs convention.
Dum dum bullets.....Those will do the trick.
Your neighbors never wanted your squirrel meat
Danny may be gone but he will always be with us on the internet forever long live danny
Jeff: "...might have died, he was an older guy."
Danny: Hmmmmm
I got a grin out of that too!
I know the feeling. And I am only in my 50's. Lot of people I knew, already gone
🤣
"Blew chunks"
AKA: "Projectile vomit"
I really like how well the everyday object targets demonstrated the difference.
Going back to watch vids w Danny. Glad he's not in pain anymore
Hey Jeff & Danny! In my humble opinion this is one of the best & most informative vids you've done so far. Far more scientific and useful! I hope to see more videos with such comparisons. Happy new year!
One of my favorite episodes so far. As much fun as it is shooting random stuff, doing it comparatively and noting results, was very interesting (and scientific)
THANKS!
I'm 43 secs into the video. We did all sorts of mods on .22's when I was a "kid". The result of our very scientific experiments showed us that it affects accuracy a lot :) Let's see what Jeff and Danny can do. Happy Healthy 2021!!
I did the same Lars, though sometimes I think I never grew out of that "kid" phase, ha. I look forward to seeing your channel grow more this year and all the fun videos you and the family make!
Did quite a few mods as a kid as well.
Yep, effective modifications, but they come at a cost.
Yup, even modified pellets and shot them at a big old lump of blu tack to see what happened.
A simple thin straight in cut is all that’s needed also depth we used was half seen here & we didn’t see much accuracy loss & similar results, but to be honest a Phillips head tap is all you need to do
The "Box o' Truth" was cool. He did stuff similar to what you all do but as you said it was all still photography with a written narrative. There hasn't been anything new going on there for a few years. I really appreciated what he did with what he had.
Fantastic comparison. So impressed by the results on the various targets. Tells a lot more than the gel. The 3rd can flew back like movies show people reacting when shot with a shotgun. Almost comical. Thanks guys!!! I've had the hollow points for years and never knew if it really would make any difference for a .22.
I did some bullet modifications myself in the early 1980's I filed solid points down to semi wadcutter and wadcutter tips. I also drilled out some hollow point fodder to deepen and/or expand the hole. I used Rem Golden and CCI Mini-Mag for my tests. For ease of loading I shot from an Ithaca 49 single shot rifle. Got some interesting results in the days before videos. Never tried splitting like you did. Was lotsa fun watchin' this and remembering my "escapades" back in the day. Man-o-Manischewitz, a boss video.
I would like to see the round nose turned into the split point and tested.
I take my knife to the tip of all my .22 RN bullets, give it a nice 'x' on the tip. I should shoot some shit with them and recover the bullets to see if it does anything.
Hmm...
Yes, exactly what I was thinking. I want to see if the slower heavier round does more or less with the same modification.
would like to see a cross cut in them.
@@mightyfinejonboy Well @TAOFLEDERMAUS have a video testing the "Philips Head" mod. which is kind of a cross cut deal, they mentioned in the video.
Dum dums still exist!
Without your channel I would never hear the phrase "ballistic lemon" Thank you and Happy New Year!
The Philip's head mod is fun with cci stingers.
They're a lightweight hyper velocity ammo that's designed to open up quickly.
Stangers
It affects their accuracy once you start shooting beyond 100 yards
You know what else affects their accuracy beyond 100 yds? Landing in the dirt....it’s a friggin 22.
I grew up shooting a lot of .22 ammo, including short, long, and long rifle. I received my first "real" gun at about 10 years of age, a Remington bolt action single-shot .22 rifle (sorry but I don't recall the model). Being a single-shot bolt action, it would use any of the standard .22 rounds. I would disappear into the woods and fields of northeast Texas for a day or multiple days with that rifle, a handfull of shells in my pocket, a machete, and a pocket knife (plus a blanket roll and a pot/large cup if going for more than a single day).
I practiced on the old small snuff cans (about the size of the old 35mm film cans) at 20, 30 and 40 yards, with the cans both standing and end-on. My grandmother had a country store, so I recovered a lot of those little cans from the trash. My eyes were better back then, and I was pretty accurate. You need to be with a small diameter bullet like .22".
Groove shown at the beginning of this video looks too deep. I expected the bullet to fragment, as .22LR is known to do anyway, so I was NOT surprised at its performance in the gel. The .22LR is too small and light without expansion, so hollow points would usually be the ticket. Now, I have known personally and read of others, all of whom lived in the back country and mountains, that took deer with a 22LR. They claimed head and especially spine shots behind the head. Not something I ever felt was a good idea, as it was likely to leave a wounded animal running off and suffering needlessly. However, these were NOT seasonal sport hunters, and their family's food supply depended on their hunting. In that position I would probably do the same.
A shallower cross (like a plus sign) worked well for me in the past on solid nose (not hollow point) .22 bullets. Such a mod to a .22 Short Subsonic bullet worked well on sub-dog-sized animals. A large aggressive tomcat comes to mind from decades ago. After the second $100 vet bill for my wife and daughter's cats, I took it out with just such a low noise round and filed cross. Dropped instantly and the neighbors never heard a thing. No suppressor was needed firing such a quiet round out a door from inside a home. A subsonic .22 Short is not a high velocity round, and a mod to assist expansion meant it never exited that big cat's body. The perfect nuisance remover in an urban neighborhood scenario. Just ensure your point of aim does not allow too high of a trajectory, so any miss or exiting bullets bury in the ground or some other absorbing background material.
I've had to change my phone and service provider. A gift really. Becsuse I am going through the catalogue again and it's great to see Danny at his best. God bless pal.
That's weird how each of them made a very distinctly different sound when fired
I'd say the sounds made by each one was extremely weird for each one.
@@Eidolon1andOnly yeah, the round tip was the loudest, but that's not saying much lol the hollow point was more of a muted thud than a bang, and the split tip did a WEEEEEEEEEEEE . Like one of those little carnival prize rings that you blow into lol
@@righty-o3585 That carnival ring sound was exactly what I was thinking for the split point! Hahaha
I liked the scream of the split points!
Wondering what a split-nose solid point would have been doing - I can guess, but it would have completed the test. Love your efforts.
Yeah would have liked to see some roundnose with a split
I honestly think a split round nose would have had a considerably different outcome being slower and heavier. It would have been great to see👍
Maybe try a magnet to pull the pieces out
X your deer ammo and watch the magic happen.
Look at the split bullet in slow motion it had a major cavitation on impact more than both of the other ones put together
this is an older comment but nobody seemed to really acknowledge this, it's extremely noticeable
Cavitation causes major internal damage , plus those petals going in different directions increases the chance of hitting arteries 👍
so, a note to this, a .22LR split point didnt leave a raccoons skull at 3 inches away, i did the whole here kitty kitty before i put my glasses on and popped it
I'm glad Danny made it back. I missed his quips.
When defication hits the rotary oscillator..... Had me rollin.
I just watched this in Feb. 2023. I was good and sad at the same time to see Danny again. R.I.P. our dear friend. Love the channel by the way!
This was an interesting and very cleanly made video. Just well structured and edited and I really liked the direct comparisons showed backed to back. Made the results easy to understand and compare, which is something not everyone manages to do.
Not that the usual videos are bad by any stretch, this one was just particularly good, so i figured I'd leave a comment for the algorithm in appreciation.
Thank you very much!
Movie producers: "We want to tell a fantastic story, but the CGI is gonna cost us over $200M alone..."
A 1930s radio: "Hold my whiskey..."
Rye
@@laughingdog747 don't give them ideas....
Danny and Jeff: it's science day!
TH-cam: Alroightt, 27 extra ads!
Bruh there’s litterally 5
The two biggest questions I have about the split point are, how does it feed into a semi-auto and how does it affect accuracy at longer ranges?
Sometimes, sometimes not. Depends on how deep the splits are
I'd expect the answ we s to both questions to be "Not very well."
A shallower "+" in a solid tip S, L, or LR should feed and fly without much difference to those without the "+" in the nose. As light as those bullets are, a shallower "+" in the nose should still improve expansion.
Been messing with rimfire a lot lately and after today have learned with slight alterations i can get a .22lr CCI Mini Mag expanded better than good with four distinct corners from an NAA 1 and 1/8th inch barrel.
For the four corners achieved i literally used a philips screwdriver but only after slightly expanding the hollow cavity and neatening the edges before applying pressure with a philips.
.22lr lead is so soft it takes no power tools and can be run through pretty quickly after.
Learned a lot about bullet performance between bonded and non bonded led to jackets in .22mag.
Its all for fun and curiosity but an old video here is what sparked my interest in seeing if things can be modified without causing more problems than good.
*edit for anyone curious ive posted two photos to back up at least what i was trying to explain with four corners.
No joke from a barrel just over an inch, i got textbook expansion.
I almost died of taofledermaus withdrawal but luckily you saved me
Haha, the stress to get something new uploaded was pretty bad!
You and me both. 😋
Just in time for the wake in bake in the suck.
This is going to be good, that was really interesting and there was a lot of difference, my grandpa talked about doing that for shooting coyotes
Lucky Gunner says that if the goal is self defense with a .22, don't worry about expansion and focus on penetration to 12 inches.
Always liked Paul Harrell’s advice better, if using .22 for defense, aim for the ‘right spot‘ (head).
Doing that there’s no need to worry about 12 inches of penetration, therefore I’m always using CCI Stingers (hollows).
Lucky Gunner says lots of things. Some less credible than others.
Expansion is everything in self defense if you can make a 1/2" hole in 4" or 5" is way better than a 1/4" hole 12" deep more damage in more organs / muscle the better.
@@stonegiant4 - you just described everyone on Earth 🌍, no wonder the aliens 👽 lock 🔐 their doors as the pass by us....just sayin’.....😂🤣😂🤣
@@dan379 - hence the development of the shotgun....
“You know, if we make a much larger hole 🕳 in the pipe and stuff in a whole lot more to come back out.....”
“By George, I think you’re on to something there!”
Another great video! I love my .22s and their versatility. I'm still catching up on some older vids. Rest easy Danny. Hopefully you've got tons of range time up there.
I liked this video. Awesome to see what a round does down range with such a scientific perspective. I searched the comments as far down as my aging eyes would allow and didn’t find anyone commenting on what the reason truly is for so much added damage with the hollow point and then the split-point. For those who don’t know this, more damage is done at the time of impact when the hollow point hits, as all or most of the air following the round enters the entry hole and expands the cavity made by the round. And the split-point is dragging probably twice the amount of air into the entry point, as the nose of the round has more resistance, so it’s also pushing more air. The word we Long Distance Canoe makers call it is Cavitation. Like those squirt guns you fire the water from into the mouth of the clown heads at your local county fair each year. The water, let’s say is the air following the round and the balloon is the actual jell, putty or game we’re hunting. **What I would Really like to see next is the difference between .40 cal Ball, Hollow Point and then Hydro-Shock ammunition. I’d really like to see what the Hydro’s do to the silly putty 🥴
Jeff: He may have died because he was an older guy.
Danny: *Cringes inside*
Coldwater Hunter
😬. 🇺🇸😎
@John Cliff he shot extra bouncy silly puddy
danny might have cringed at that, but i think he would have preferred that over what he had to deal with before he died. rest in peace danny.
Finally some real ballistics testing for the common man . Not all that FBI foo foo !
> "Jeff's computer had technical issues..."
He tested to see if it was Level 3 compliant, didn't he?
His computer had covid 😷
@@winn305 Got Lead Poison
He should, since it's dead anyway, right?
Y2k test ?
Maybe not... Maybe not yet?
We did this with the old 22-shorts lead round nose back in the 50's/60's and found 2 things about them. 1st was the split tips definitely DID more damage but accuracy suffered a bunch...I mean it was hard to even hit a soup can at 30yrds with the split tips. Even tried shallower cuts...we did a cross cut instead of the straight across cut here but i don't think it matters much...ACCURACY just went out the window so we only used them during deer season where they came in close enough for a head shot.
Untouched round nose hit regular out to 50/60 yards and the split tips never came close so you had to be really close for them to get any rabbits, especially any quail, dove or grouse. We usually only had meat if my Dad or I brought it home and all we could afford were the 22-shorts in those days...hell, I can't afford them today at what they cost now, IFFFFF you can even find them. ( I know shorts are no longer available, I'm talking just ANY 22 ammo, period. )
We decided that the untouched-straight-out-of-the-box round nose was the better choice and just placed our shots to get food for home.
This was cool seeing the results and commentary. You guys are cool and crack me up so keep 'er going guys...THANKS
Some questions to play around for .22 - Would using a the 40 grain with a drill press to create a hollow-point yielder greater results by removing some weight and allowing the round to go faster while still having the more pliable lead core as opposed to a FMJ HP or FMJ. Same question, but with a CCi Stinger that reaches 1640 FPS with a 32 grain projectile. There's also the new all copper .22 round that is supposed to push close to 2000 fps.
Just some thoughts on what might be good, and does doing things like this destabilize the round even if care is taken to ensure you are going down the dead center of the round.
restucturing the round may cause it to move slower the mass surface air friction has increased by the amount of surface inside the hole this configuration may also affect accuracy if slug wobbles in flight tests are the only way to determine if any of these things really make sense teenagers shooting squirrels is not very scientific
When I was younger I would do things like this to my .22lr rounds. Always got small drill bits and made large hollow points or sharpen them with a file.
I was thinking about large hollow points too.
How many of you spotted the stress lines visible on the inside of the split point can?
Me too 🤓🍻
we Kentucky boys call them "hillbilly hollow points" great video Jeff... and great shooting Danny. thanks and Happy New Year to the entire TAOFLEDERMAUS crew!
thank you Larry!!
People have been modifying bullets ever since there have been bullets. Back in the late 1800’s they were known as “dum-dums” and are great defensive rounds. If all I have to defend myself is a .22 and some idiot comes at me with a large knife, I don’t want him to keep coming and carve me up even with a dozen rounds of unmodified bullets in him before he drops.
I'm interested to see how the split point would perform in a pistol/revolver, with 4" and shorter barrel?
My dad had an H&R .22LR 9 shot revolver when I was growing up. I remember shooting squirrels with it, and I used to take the solid lead bullets and drill the tips to make hollow points.
@@MayheM_72 I actually have one of those old 9 shot H&Rs...lol
It’s great to go back and watch Danny do his thing
I would’ve liked to have seen how much the accuracy suffers at 50/100 yards on the split tail. Of course now CCI makes segmented .22 ammo, but not always easy to find.
Jeff, you should have cut a round nose too for comparison, cause old school didn't have no HP. 😜 Great Video!
Excellent shot placement by Danny. You could really tell the difference between the first three shots.
What a big difference! I didn't expect that a all! It would be interesting to see if the split messes up the accuracy at all.
I have to agree with you. More energy on target means nothing if you can't hit the target, he should have done accuracy test too!
Been using split points since I was a kid 35+ years ago since we couldn’t get hollow point in “the people’s republic of Hawai’i” after the bs 80’s gun laws bs till recently (think comufornia is bad?! ya ain’t seen shite son) & it’s damn near dead nuts same as hollow, try it on 5.56 7.62 etc yourself & enjoy the results, stops over penetration when blowing a hole through 5 houses could be “bad” & makes a spectacular wound, the larger the caliber the more impressive it becomes, only got to pop one through a 50 cal into “ballistic gell” & DAMN! wasn’t anything left to examine just tiny bits EVERYwhere, but the rifles owner was cringing to even try it once crying we were going to ruin the barrel & since ain’t mine, one & done, we also made homemade “wad cutter” by cutting two straight in (that’s all ya really need to do with split pony also) at 90 degrees to each other & depending on caliber will either show little difference or a HOLY SHIT difference, the larger the grain round & hotter the load can be impressive but results will vary
Semper Fi
I'm in my 40s and have been doing that since I got my first .22 in my early teens. I did it to my round nose bullets to turn them into a "hollow point". Round nose bullets were cheaper. Awesome to know that it actually makes a difference.
We did that back in the early 60's as kids. I guess we were on to something. Yes, we had b&w tv's.
totally did this two days ago and it didnt leave the raccoons skull. true story, thought it was my cat till i put on my glasses wondering why it was grunting at me
No one gets shot once with a .22. You get the whole magazine.
almost for the same price...tinking like my wife barrister
If it's worth shooting once,
it's worth shooting alot ...
Correction
Clipazine.
@@fjb4932 Ammo is cheap, life is not. I'd rather rely on a caliber that begins with a 4
@@joeroyklyn6793 40x.22lr
Would really not want pieces from the split point in the meat.
I definitely would not want to get shot by the split point. Those fragments will probably do more damage getting dug out than going in.
@@Purpless_ON didnt l;eave the raccoons skul from 3 inches away. splat
No worse than birdshot or hitting a shoulder or other bone in a deer
I've always been curious about how "spoontip" bullets actually work, could you demonstrate those?
First video I have seen with Danny since he passed. Rest in peace brother. You will live on forever in these videos.
It would be cool to do a follow up of converting 22lr round house to split point, and then doing split points in larger calibers that have soft points like 357, 44, and 30-30, and seeing how a split point version compares.
Ha!!! Loved the ending with the radio clip about someone being to good looking to be true and OG pops up!!!
I used to shoot CCI Stingers and CCi QuickShocks. The QuickShocks were my favourites for squirrels and gophers. The bug difference between the two rounds were that the Quickshocks were a segmented round and would break into three segments upon impact.
I'd love to see if you guys could find a box of them and test them out!
Your soap test reminds me Kentucky Ballistics' paraffin block experiment not so long ago.
Pretty damn spectacular thing when it comes to high energy bullets btw
The issue i have with nearly all .22 gel tests is that most real targets for a 22(other than human-human defense) will be much less massive, more like 2-4inch thick rather than 10-15. its why the lemons were a good choice, showed expansion was significant in that first inch. Soap maybe not as insightful due to hardness properties but still fun.
'd like to see this with "quiet" lower energy rounds like you would use for small varmints around farm buildings. Maybe compare the home split to a CCI's quiet segmented, subsonic segmented, and 27gr hollowpoint shorts, if i can find them in stock anywhere.
Maybe I'll order some of my own calibrated citrus, but I don't have a high speed camera will need to base it on aftermath.
Great to see that man again. Rest well Sir.
When defication hits the rotary ocsillator 😂
FBI certified, calibrated, ballistic lemons.
Next time I'm attacked by a box of soap, my Ruger will be loaded with splits.
Wash day won't catch me by surprise again!
That first 22lr round is going to go through a lot more than just a squirrel...
It's good to see Danny again. He was always entertaining.
I first heard use of the split point bullet when I was a kid reading a novel about an african boy who did this for a larger caliber on a hunting rifle to kill buffalo. And I first tried it successfully using split point ,22 bullets on gophers (Columbia Ground Squirrels) sometime in the early 1970s, because it was cheaper to buy round nose .22 cartridges and split the bullets than buying ,22 hollow point cartridges. Many gophers died in their burrows after being shot with .22 round nose rounds so I didn't get the 10 cent per tail bounty on them and that is why I switched to .22 hollow point cartridges. I decided to try using .22 split point bullets on targets first to check accuracy and found no significant difference to unmodified cartridges. After observing the accuracy and the exit point damage to the plywood target backstop I decided to try the modified rounds on gophers and was pleased to find they resulted in quick kills with recoverable dead gophers which I then got paid for, making it possible to buy more boxes of .22 cartridges with the resulting bounties than I was able to with just .22 round nose rounds.
Wow, what a great video, lots of info, amazing. Splitpoint, holy crap, devastating. You can here the ricochet, or energy release of the bullet. Stay safe.
Interesting results, I’ve been hunting rabbits with the same cci hp ammo. I’ll have to try some standard rn and see if tissue damage is less, I generally head shoot but occasionally I’ll hit the neck or have a round go out the opposite shoulder. The shoulder is a loss for the most part when that happens, range is anywhere from 10-50y so a solid rn would kill just as well.
Shot 3 Doves and no animals were harmed.
Clean shots, too!
Actually it was 6
It's funny that I was thinking you need to shoot some oranges, and moments later you were shooting lemons. I was SO close. Of all the things in the world you could have used as targets, we both thought of citrus first.
One of the prettiest mushrooms I ever had was 44 years ago, I fired a CCI Mini-Mag HP from a Marlin 60 point blank into a golf ball. The golf ball flew quite a ways, I recovered it, cut it apart and the slug uniformly mushroomed all the way back to the heel. It was beautiful! I kept it for years, no telling where it is now.
we miss you Danny rip brother
Split round noses would be awesome to see that is how I remember doing it as a kid rabbit hunting because I didn’t have hollow points
How does a split point affect accuracy at distance though?
I used to cut a good deep cross in the end of a flat tipped .45-70 when I went elk hunting.
My rifle looked a sporterized mess of old rusty iron & fiberglass reinforced nylon with just a spattering of JB Weld, but it had a scope & shot in the same place every time.
With such a massive, low velocity slug, there was no difference in how the bullets flew through the air, aside from a slightly reduced range.
Those .45-70s have a trajectory like a rainbow for a distance greater than a couple of hundred yards though.
Kentucky windage was used so frequently that the adjustments were made subconsciously.
there is no accuracy
The slow motion wound channels looked awesome and was very impressive for the .22's!!!
When I was a kid, 73 years ago, my dad and a neighbor put 1/8 th inch steel punch plugs from punching holes in sheet metal, the neighbor worked in a machine shop and provided the steel plugs, but they put some in 22 HPs and some with a drop of candle wax in some under the plug. All this was to see what that did to apples oranges, pomegranates, along with many other small items.. Pretty much what you did in this video, it was AMAZIMG what they would do. The best part was the accuracy was not affected like I find with the split tip. If I remember right they were shooting at 50 yards with no change but most targets were just gone with the punched steel plug with one drop of candle wax under it. Try that some time I would like to see that again.
When I was a kid, we used to split 22 shorts for rabbit hunting. This was in the 40's when 22 shorts cost .25 cents and long rifles cost 48 cents a box.
Back when our money was worth something.
@@himpty_dimp for real
In the 40’s? How old are you?
My old man says 22shells were a nickel a box when he was a boy.
@@mdbizzl I'm now over 80 years old. When we did this trick with the 22"s my parents gave me and my brothers 10 cents a week for allowance. We split the bullets' because they were much more effective.
Danny good to see you again brother hope you stay in good health. You guys created a RIP 22 Round
Very good, scientific video. The high speed canera is a great plus.
Could you conduct a Part 2 and add an accuracy comparison? And yes, split solid point would be interesting, too.
My prediction - unmodified hollow points expand well and have superior accuracy (over split bullets) for shots >50'
One thing my gpop use to always talk about is using his revolver with split tips. He said he use to split a cross in the tips
That is one _vicious_ and so simple modification; a shrapnel hollow point essentially made with one easy change.
Looks to see what happened to the Box of Truth guy. As of 5/15/2020
"I'm still here guys. I appreciate all the kind comments.
But as Mark Twain once observed, "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
I've had some health issues that have kept me from going to the range as often as I used too. But I am doing fine."
Danny still lives on with us
It would seem to me that in a semi auto with a feed ramp split points would hang up, otherwise impressive.
As a kid my dads old jcw semi auto ate all the cut up,Phillips and drill bit modded crap I threw at it lol. Stove pipe here and there because no one taught me to clean a gun till much later lol
You can modify a .22 bullet far beyond what was done here with a single cut. We used to hunt big rats near a city dump. Solids would just go through them and hollow points weren't much better. Looking for something with much better energy transfer, we designed our own bullets. We would take a single edge razor blade and cut off about 1/8" of a hollow point, making a lighter, flat nosed bullet. We would enlarge the hollow point with a larger drill bit. The final modification was to make two vertical cuts with the razor blade making a flat nosed, X cut, magnum hollow point that probably weighed all of 20 grains. It was very fast and would literally toss a rat several feet, at close range. Admittedly, they weren't all that accurate but at the range we were shooting with pistols, it was good enough. Superb transfer of energy and fun to make. Careful with the razor blades or you'll cut more than the bullet...
telling danny he died and that slight "mmm" just sent a strange ripple through my body. god im gonna miss danny. keep popping those rounds and givin the taofleder folks luck and love from the sky man rip.