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Jinnah: His Successes, Failures and Role in History
Book by Ishtiaq Ahmed
Mohammad Ali Jinnah has been both celebrated and reviled for his role in the Partition of India, and the controversies surrounding his actions have only increased in the seven decades and more since his death. Ishtiaq Ahmed places Jinnah's actions under intense scrutiny to ascertain the Quaid-i-Azam's successes and failures and the meaning and significance of his legacy. Using a wealth of contemporary records and archival material, Dr Ahmed traces Jinnah's journey from Indian nationalist to Muslim communitarian, and from a Muslim nationalist to, finally, Pakistan's all-powerful head of state. How did the ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity become the inflexible votary of the two-nation theory? Did Jinnah envision Pakistan as a theocratic state? What was his position on Gandhi and federalism? Asking these crucial questions against the backdrop of the turbulent struggle against colonialism, this book is a path-breaking examination of one of the most controversial figures of the twentieth century.
Ishtiaq Ahmed is professor emeritus of political science at Stockholm University and visiting professor, Government College University, Lahore. He is the author of several books including Pakistan: The Garrison State-Origins, Evolution, Consequences (1947-2011).
Ishtiaq Ahmed (Urdu: اشتیاق احمد;) is a Swedish political scientist and author of Pakistani descent. He holds a PhD in Political Science from Stockholm University. He is Professor Emeritus of Political Science at Stockholm University.
What a shame that two lawyers whose information is based on state propaganda were chosen to debate a historian and scholar like Dr. Ishtiaq.
Dr. Ishtiaq's discomfort is palpable during the discussion.
Very well observation
Muslim Muslim Muslim!! The only community of India that cried and played the victim card.
We have never heard voices from the Paris’s, Buddhists, Jains , Sikhs or Christians.
They are first proud Indians!!
Prof Ishtiaq is a rare gem who is trying to show Muslims a mirror but he seems to be fighting a lone battle!’ More power to you Sir
According to Sunnah, exploitation is haraam.
According to Islam, there is no limit to private property.
According to Rasoolallah, you must do trade.
According to the Ulema, sood is haraam.
According to the Quran, you must do jihad for your property.
That’s because Muslims claim divine superiority over everybody else because of Islam. Let’s never forget this.
I think the 2 Pakistani lawyers need to digest what Mr Ahmed has to say in the book and ruminate on it . This will be beneficial to the future of Pakistan. Mr Ahmed lives in Sweden 🤷♂️
What was Jinnah's contribution to Indian Freedom Struggle? How many movements he started against British Raj and how many times he went to jail? - Nil/Sannata.... Anyway, Jinnah did a great service to Hindus as a whole by creating Pakistan. After all he was a converted Hindu just one generation back, and he didn't forget to serve his ancestor's faith. After 800 years of colonialism, Hindus urgently needed at least two dustbins to dump the garbage created during that period. And Jinnah gave it.
1) There was no Indian Freedom Struggle. 2) He didnt commit any crime so he didnt go to Jail. 3) Jinnah always said that he is asking for partition for both Hindus and Muslims. Subcontinent Muslims, Dalits, Christian, Zorastrians fought for partition. Hindus didnt gain much from partition as it is not complete.
@@vinsin328 😂😂😂🤣🤣😀😀😂😂
Jinnha is a confused Jin,who sell churan to muslims
@@vinsin328kaun sa A-grade maal foonkte ho yaar?😂😂😂
Humein bhi batao - we also want to experience 💁🏻♂️ the extraordinary high that fuels such magnificent delusions!
@@vinsin328 the percentage of Zoroastrians in India is more than that in Pakistan
The percent of Christians in India is more than that in Pakistan
The percentage of Dalits in India is more than that in Pakistan and they have been repeatedly coming into India
They have the right to become PM/President in India while not in Pakistan
How come all these were working for partition into Pakistan?
About your first line funny enough, so without any struggle India got partition??
Being an Indian Youth, I am really thankful of Mr. Jinnah for creating 2 dumping grounds on the outskirts of india. We wouldn't be able to handle an extra 40cr "sar tan se juda" population.
*So true...his two nation theory comes from Quran*
@@puravmodgil2024 *Pakistanis doing terrorism for Kashmir( they won't end their jihad even if they got kashmir too) for 75yrs is fine, now indians should not react to it..& should leave our akhand Bharat & Hindu holy places in Pakistan to jihadis. So called Pakistan is our Hindu holy land. Since Some people brainwashed with Quran teachings for centuries does not make our holy places their's. So keep your impotent decision(opinion) with you. Hindu hatred should be limited to the size of gaza strip. They don't deserve whole Pakistan.jai hind...pak is part of hind.*
Exactly, and I am therefore very against Akhand Bharat. You cannot inherit the lands without inheriting the filth there
@@pallavmishra *say the same logic to Israel*
Exactly my view.
Indians must be thanking Jinnah. He took away India’s imminent liability
Alhamdulillah to that!
It was two on one against ishtiaq sahab but he still was able to convey hia message
His mouth was pretty much shut. He was just a sitting duck.
Mr. Ishtiaq Ahmed loved the sound of his voice. But he forgot that there are other people who way smarter in the room. It's not a religious sermon. Kudos to Mr. Rahim.
Intellectual and well researched debate by Prof Isthtiaq sahib. It is amazing that Prof remembers so many important names, speaches and historical events with place names date and parties involved. Only rethoric from Raheem. It require lots of research to even stand close to prof Ishtiaq well based arguments. Why should sikhs remain in united Punjab within Pakistan while ethnic cleansing started on Pakistani side with silent seperetists looking other way. Dont understand why Jinna expected and demanded keeping whole Punjab after such bloodshed...
What a mismatch. One who qualifies his arguments with facts and direct quotes pitted against one who counters with rhetoric. And moderated by one who is anything but moderate. 😅
Nothing surprising here, that’s what madrassa brainwashed outlook brings to the table.
I am an Indian citizen from Kerala state and a Syrian Christian ( R.C) by faith.
The young man who is on the right side of the stage seemed to be educated, but intoxicated with religious bigotry, blind to see the facts & truth. This is the case with large majority of, even among the so called educated young people of Pakistan.The mindset is deeply narrow & fundamentalistic.
After watching this debate and several other discussions on social media recently , I understand the significance of the comment Jawaharlal Nehru made to an American journalist later on after independence, that Muslim League and forces behind it would have been detrimental to the progressive ideas & reforms and development of India if they remained with India .
Soon after gaining independence, India started the mission of institution building & reforms, while Pakistan launched setting up thousands of Madrassas & Mosque in every nook & cranny of Pakistan. The end result is evidently visible now.
'Eating is the proof of the pudding'. After 75 years, history shows who was right and who erred.
So partition, in a way, was a blessing in disguise.
Too much of religiosity. He is blinded
100% in agreement. There is no way we can divide people on religious, linguistic or cast lines ... In a ancient civilization like India where different religions thoughts have evolved over centuries, have a different dialect every 50 km and so many professions creating casts in older times and unions today.
Pakistan is an example of what will happen when you fracture society .. so many lives are lost in 1947 followed by losses because of wars,proxy wars etc.
Professor Ishtiaq Ahmed is too polite and well mannered for his own good. Even though he has all the facts supporting him, the other narrative seems to shout him down. It is also a reflection on how even so called educated people in Pakistan are genetically predisposed to think that Congress and Gandhi were communal
The younger speaker (on Jinnah) type Pakistanis are suitable for India's agenda. Eventhough they are confused and misguided. At the same time I do understand what they are trying to accomplish. Bottomline, Jinnah was a ayash, ambitious, person. Never sacrificed anything like other well-known leaders, like jail. Never wrote any books or even letter to the editor. Also, in personal life, there is ample indication of low morals. Married a friend's daughter who was younger by a big margin. So, defending a person like that requires hard work and creativity. So people like this younger speaker have worked hard.
So you want to talk about personal life what about gandi and nehru the power hungry mental disabled see addict Gandhi and nehru a so called socialist who did the work of a communist read your history you don't get to talk about propaganda when your media and books are also propagating the same thing man
I know many PakIstanis like that. They have dedicated their lives to building amazing theories defending thair Dracula. 😅
Pakistan's has serious issues, defending which it leverages itself to an extent it becomes difficult to present itself as a coherent, rational nation! Be it two nation theory or Jinnah as some great leader, who is not known anywhere outside this subcontinent.
What a sad hit job on Dr. Ishtiaq sahab.
Wow. I cant beleive there are still people that cant see through Jinnah
brilliant riposte by Dr Ishteyaqe sahab , he is totally objective , empirical and precise and epitomise intellectual honesty and the other two panelist facing ultimate challenge of their lives trying to defend the official narrative, it appears they had to rely on planted clappers to save their faces 😂😂😂😂
We dont' want to get bogged down on the details which show us that Pakistan was a bad idea by an egotistical leader called Jinnah
Jinnah did a great job and we can see it now. Intelligentsia is also indoctrinated. Accha ho raha hai inke sath.
Looks like a professor from Oxford discussing with two graduates from WhatsApp university….
Prof Istiaq is a thorough researcher of history & politics with solid academic rigour!
You cannot have a young journalist Asad with his borrowed views on Jinnha pair-up against Prof Istiaq...
The failed State that Pakistan has become today... is the "proof of the pudding" of Jinnha's follies!
Asad raheem 👏
Jinnah Pakistan was the "Wet dream" of Jinnah which the people supporting him took too seriously
The 1st set of contradictions in Jinnah's Pakistan:
1. Not accepting all Muslims into Pakistan after taking Muslim votes frm minority provinces
2. Total slaughter of all non-Muslims in Pakistan
3. Seeking good relations (really, a mere statement wont help) with India after dividing her
4. Megalomainiac Jinnah becoming the Governor General, PM & Prez of Pakistan Dominion
5. Not bothered abt framing the Constitution in Pakistan.
Living in d palatial houses left by Punjabi Hindus, Sikhs in Lahore makes Asad Rahim comfy but he wont live in wretched places in Pakistan where the Jinnah's Pakistan pinches people.
Not blaming Jinnah for the failed Pakistan is a fantastic idea of urbanised Islamist piandus.
1. Not true, it was Nehru who forced Indian Muslims to stay in India and signed Liaqant Nehru Pact.
2. That is two nation theory. Also Gandhi asked them to die.
3. Your statement has no sense
4. So?
5. That was not his job, that was the job given to Jogendranath Mandal. Jinnah did give 14 points.
6. Those who created Pakistan are in India.
@@vinsin328 1. You are madrassa chap ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool
2. So is ur salwar wearing bhanduve khusra abbu who pimped ur begairat behaya ghasti mughaliya ammi khala behen to Arab Turk Irani Afghans just to save neck
3. Now islamic Republic of hira Mandi randistan porkistan Pakistan is pimping it's begairat raped and converted musalminas to 🐖 eater Chinese
4. Still rape jihad born inbred cousin shagger madrassa chap ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool porkis have to beg with katoora for imdad
@@vinsin328 the Liaqat Nehru pact was singned in 1951. Muslims could have easily left by then
In fact a lot of Muslims returned from Pakistan to India by this time. There was literally no forcing that happened. Jinnah actually advised many of Muslim League members from UP and CP to stay in India. Pakistan forced Dalits to stay in Pakistan stating if they left who will clean their states
If slaughter of others become theory, understand that the base of it is wrong
JoginderNath Mandal as mentioned in his resignation was completely ignored and his ideas weren't taken at all
Whenever Ishtiaq makes a comment critical of Jinnah, the host intervenes, particularly when ishtiaq refers to 30s he wants to comeback to 20s but the other guy keeps jumping back and forth to great applause.
Are satya and Ahinsa Hindu Philosophy ?
Islam is against these values ???
The young guy Asad behaviour n demeanour n body lingo smacks of arrogance and hatred towards Hindus in toto. His lack of respect for few Paxtani scholars like Prof Ishtiaq is appaling. How they despise the congress which tried to appease buslims to the the hilt is shameful and cruel and illogical. We can very well see from Asad's behaviour how difficult it must have been to talk or meet common ground with Jinnah . Very similar stubborn , obstinate and egoistic attitude.
Got same vibe with the first words he spoke
Kindly upload Mohsin Hamid's talk at Thinkfest 2023 at Alhamra
“ Congress was a communal organization “ 😅 … the RSS must be 🤣
What a scholar young man Asad is. We need such voices more.
At last jahils of pakistan didn't appreciate ishtiyaq Ahmed.😂😂😂
Yr dr ishtiaq is best👍
THANKS TO GREAT JINAH GIVEING HINDUS THIRE NATION.
Great debate. Both were good.
What crap !
Moderator almost took 15 min of time but refusing ishtiaq Ahmed asking genuine fair and square question 🙋. He seemingly understood if he let ishtiaq Ahmed counter question the islamist Historian young man his balloon of a so called Historian or intellectual propaganda would have burst. That's why I always say these Muslims with suit boot are more dangerous than Mullah because they lie left right and center.
save India from Hitler Nazi party inspired RSS regime,
In hindsight Gandhi ji has done well by accepting the creation of Pakistan. We have 40 Crore less Islamic radicals to deal with. However something that people knew even in 1947 that by accepting that many separatists mindset Muslims in India you left termites in this beautiful nation. Ever other religion is okay except this. The world has moved on except these hippocrates.
Jinnah was the Mir Jaffer of the 20th century. Who has a flawed vision then and Muslims all over have it today. None of the Muslim nations have democracy. They do not give rights to minorities in countries they rule as majority, however want more privileges wherever they are in the minority. Even privileges are okay they demand a separate rule of law for themselves.
The host blocking important questions.. And the younger guy putting forward superficial logic to defend jinnah
Ishtyak sir ...these two gentlemen were trying to ridicule you SHAMEFUL. YOU ARE TOO BIG SIR. I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE THE AUDIENCE REACTION. JHAHIL
They didnt allow Istiak bhai to express his views completely. They just wanted to destroy him. Very insulting for an intellectual like Istiak bhai.
Istiak bhai, these guys just wanted to smash your research on Jinnah.
It felt like ishtiq sahab weren't given a fair chance to give a counter argument. He was being cut off numerous times in between. Felt like biased conversation
I agree with all of the Indian criticism of the way in which this talk was held. But if you scrutinize closely, most of the things that Asad Raheem (Young Speaker/Barrister) stands for converge with Ishtiaq Sb's desires for Pakistan going forward. He blames Mullahs for redefining the meaning of Pakistan, admits that the current state system has failed, believes in a secular model of legislation going forward and supports good relations with India. What he thinks of Congress is of little concern at this juncture in history as Ishtiaq Sb has himself admitted in his talk on Blackhole that a merger is no longer a viable option. But I concede that Ishtiaq Sb was given the lesser time of the two and should have had the right to conclude the debate rather than the young man. About the applause, I think we all know. 😂😂
Jinnas drive for Pakistan was motivated by Ego, fear and confusion... with no wisdom in it.
But thanks to jinah for the painful surgery of partition.
the young guy is very good he made good points
If you were impressed by those "points", you should follow PakIstani intellectual discourse more. They have dedicated 75 years to building the most amazing theories, arguments, and viewpoints in defense of Mr Jinnah, presenting him in every manner possible, depending upon their need in any situation.
I thinks that this debate was successful .Lets forgot who won for some people Dr ishtiaq won for some people lawyers won again but the thing is that two different views collide and clear two different approach by the way which both were intellectually backed .
The younger man, Asad (what's his full name?) Held his ground rather remarkably. I am a non-muslim indian European and I have an outsiders objective view. I think irrespective of what Jinnah was or not, what's more imp is that pakistan must not continue to be a hostage to certain history and make enlightened choices now.
Pakistan is finding reasons for why they were created 😀.
What they do has nothing to do with Mr Jinnah. The Muslim mindset is fundamental to disobedience and not living in coexistence with other religions and sects. Wherever they are in majority it's a Islamic republic and wherever they are in the minority, however small they demand separate laws for them.
I don’t think the young man held his own. He makes jabs here and there, but not much substance, because he’s reduced to portraying Congress as prejudiced against Muslims.
Seriously great to professor Ahmed and the other guy is talkings pure nonsense
Sad ..Expected more of Dr ishtiaq ahmed...
Jalil's dig at Modi and RSS was cheap shot and unbecoming of this panel, but not surprised. The discussion was about Jinnah, who passed away in 1948 and Modi came to power in 2014, I don't see any connection.
MUNAFIQ seems a little word for Pakistani
The young man seems to be preoccupied with Modi ji . Jinan ki debate mein Modi kahan se aa gaye , bhai .
Pitying all the indians in comment section only here to hate on Pakistan. The fact that you have no indian platform as this that can argue like educated people as the ones on the panel, no matter how critical it is of our own leaders, is a testimony in itself how much you look up to Pakistan for unbiased discussions of past and present! Why are indians even watching this if they're grateful that Quaid e Azam created a 'dumping land' for India. Hilarious😅
We all are here because we want to understand things, we want to learn, we appreciate intellectual discussions. We don't want to live in a silo. Also, it's a fallacy on your side, if you think we don't have such discussions in our country. We all were hurt not about the rhetoric but such an esteemed scholar like Dr. Ishtiaq was not given a fair chance to present his views. Finally, if you guy's were so short on time then the so called moderator should have not lectured and eaten up so much time by himself.
@ismal saed, just a little correction: that _no Indian platform such as this_ simply tells us that you don't keep track of the kind of open, detailed and rational discussions that take place in India. You need to read up, Ismal Saed. You have fallen behind. 😊
Mam Pakistan need to look back because they messed up and we Indians have lot to achieve in future .
we are here to see how a dumping ground created out of hate is doing ? has karma catch up with these rotten heads or not ? you got a land out of bias and your insecurities and you name it pure. get your burqa lady , might put some sense in your twisted mind. at last is youtube not haram for you ? what you doing here ?
I agree with first part of your statement
But second part doesn't make sense
Why can't one see more about the person who helped them?
thanks to Jinnah. muslims in pakistan live,eat beef and pray independently we don't need to sing their songs. feeling sad for Indian Muslims suffering under Fascist BJP gov.
The anchor kept stopping Ishtaqe Ahmed speak at critical points while allowed another jihadi to speak of even Modi deviating from Jinah and partition and audience clapping. Total rubbish. .
Inspite doing so much for momins and killed in process , MK gandhi still consider hindu nationalist leader . Indian politicians should learn from that your appeasement won't give you brownie points and people for whom you had done so much , still vandalize your idols abroad wherever they find it.
Dharmic people have so little understanding of Islam. They have never really found out what most Muslims think of Gandhi.
Why is Asad switching to Urdu? I thought a guy like him would understand the worth of avoiding such code switching.
Clearly, he is playing to his audience. He has a bad hand, therefore, he is reduced to histrionics and catch phrases.
Lol istiaq saab epic reply do u believe in what you said then what you said lol
Host and other man on stage except Honourable Ishtiaq Ahmad are telling nothing new things that exists in pak studies. These two men just waisted the time of Ishtiaq Ahmad and listeners.
Welcome to Bilawwal Bhutto the II
The fact lie in the numbers - India is still united as it was in 1947 prospering and it's minority population is growing. We probably have more Muslims in India than Pakistan has. They are not migrating to Pakistan or even aspiring to 😀.
How about Hindu, Sikhs, Parsis and Christian's in Pakistan? Leave these communities what about Ahmedi and Shias. Bengali left them in 1971 😀.
Salman Akram Raja, the moderator?
yes
@@ahmedhassanGenthe’s stupid
Istiak bhai, these guys pre decided not to allow you to explain your views properly. So that the people of Pakistan would not come to know the truth.
Muslims safe and happy in Pakistan.?
where r historians of pakistan... mr ishtiyak was good but he shud debate with the people of his level
Satya non violence dharma or truth,are universal but how can one expect jihadi and closed minds /mentality to understand
Radhika, the Islamist mindset would tell you that all those are the original attributes of Islam that Hindus and others stole from Muslims unfairly.
Why Pakistan is relevant? It's for Indians as well.
There is no way we can divide people on religious, linguistic or cast lines ... In a ancient civilization like India where different religions thoughts have evolved over centuries, have a different dialect every 50 km and so many professions creating casts (in older times and unions today).
Pakistan is an example of what will happen when you fracture society .. so many lives are lost in 1947 followed by losses because of wars,proxy wars etc. Retaeded growth of India, however it is evolving and growing against a failed state named Pakistan which is still finding its roots. They will live to see how they are different from India.
India should and will never reintegrate them as that will create more problems and Pakistan because of its origin will always rot.
25:14 Asad is proper dumb-struck as prof. corrects him.
35:46 your hero ishtaq's silence is deafening LOL utterly clueless in front of Asad's topnotch arguments!
@@ahmadhabibkhan8213
Professor Ishtiaq fell silent in response to the ignorant remark and unnecessary mockery of that arrogant brat.
@@ahmadhabibkhan8213 *please share some details about the book jinnah wrote while he was in jail*
*Jinnah real intentions were exactly the same where pakistan led throughout after the partition , just take advantage of geopolitical location of being a buffer state*
*How many times did Jinnah go to the refugee camp* ?
*Who called out the direct action day* ?
@@deveshrawat154 my leader didn’t go to any jail because he was a constitutionalist unlike your hindu congress.
Quaid-e-Azam’s real intention was freedom and protection from people like you and your BJP-RSS mindset. We might have 100 problems but I was never persecuted because of my religion.
P.S not a good look when you like your own comment LOL
@@ahmadhabibkhan8213 *you are not persecuted ever of your religion coz you are from a sunni background which is majoritarian 😂😂😂 ask the same from Ahmediya, Shia,ask other 72 sects*
why would he go unconstitutional when he did nothing ? Did he launch any movement ? He just gave support to the congress for the freedom moment, that's it. Even Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan was more active in the freedom struggle than jinnah.
He was a cunning advocate who dealt with Britishers in the best possible way to take out as much as he could from India after partition, he didn't have a vision, he never ever read any book other than related to his profession, I believe in the fact when you've an evil start then the end will be the same.
Shakal se tum parre likkhe lagte ho aur likhre ho Hindu congress, mera to rona hi isi baat par hai ki congress hinduo ka sochti to batwara na hota.
Tum log dandde k zor par control pe rehne wale ho, nahi to dekhlo kya haal bana kar rakha hai pakistan ka, 100 problems hoti to bhai har 1-1 din kar k resolve ho jati, tumhari countless hai problems 😂😂😂😂😂
Why Indians are crying 😂😂 in the comments
What a poor attendance. Shame ! Probably speaks about the mess the country is in . Erudite n Articulate speaker like Istiaq would have got capacity crowds any where in Bharat
You can't be justifiably entitled to hold white paper after partition. Jenah's ego, his power hunger, clever and cunningness has brought you here. Now still if you justify creation of pakistan then todays pakistan's image is here to tell you and world.
Jinnah contribution is nothing in creation of pak
Moderator seems like the speaker and speakers are moderator. He speaks like 7 min and speakers respond is like in 2 min.
I would love to see more and more Pakistani reject what Ahmed says and believe in what the other guy says. Indian should use this guys idea and narrative to counter what historians here in India claim that Congress was secular party and Gandhi was secular and liberal.
Moderator wants reaction to what istiaq Ahmed says. Not to what the other guy says. Hope people understand what I am indicating.