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In this episode of The Ranveer Show, we welcome Tilak Devasher, an author, and a retired Special Secretary, Cabinet Secretariat of the Government of India. He is currently serving as a National Security Advisory Board (NSAB) member and a consultant for Vivekanand International Foundation. He is the author of three widely known books based on Pakistan; ‘Pakistan: Courting the Abyss’ (December 2016), ‘Pakistan: At the Helm’ (July 2018), and ‘Pakistan: The Balochistan Conundrum’ (July 2019).
Today, Tilak Devasher decodes Pakistan’s current situation and also sheds light on what happened during the partition of India & Pakistan. He talks about the history of Pakistan, the real story behind the India & Pakistan Partitions, his honest opinion on present-day India, and what could have been different if the partition didn’t take place. He further dwells upon Muhammad Ali Jinnah and how he led to the partition. Along with that, Tilak sir talked about the present scenario of Pakistan and what is the situation of non-Muslims in Pakistan.
This was an in-depth conversation about the India and Pakistan partition and how it happened. We also talked about the geopolitical scenario of Pakistan. I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did and tell us your opinions in the comments!
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Nehru report was the main reason which became the root cause of partition...Muslims till 1927 didn't want pakistan...it was when separate electorate were cut down.
Being Pakistani i always thank god that our forefathers decided to choose pakistan. Today Pakistans Situation is not good but even if we have grass to eat , i would choose Pakistan over india because freedom is above everything
This is your myopic view. You don't have any president like Abdul Kalam, sportsperson like Sania Mirza, Industrialist rich like Azim Prem ji, painters like MF Hussain, Actor like Shahrukh Khan, ... and many more.....
@gopalgrawal3038
These are all useless things without freedom. So freedom is First thing which i would not have being in india Period. do you have Imran khan, abdul salam, Edhi, Nusrat fateh ali, Jahangeer khan. if i start listing here this comment box will become small for words. think before you write anything about pakistan. india is still 3rd word country. stop considering india a super power.
We consider Indian Muslims as our own people; geography doesn't make much difference to us. 😅
But just thinking of living in India makes us feel suffocated. Can't imagine Islam without freedom.
@@noreply4040 you sound like a joker for me when you say Pakistan has freedom and India do not have freedom
History says in the time of britishers muslims were the ones who were oppressed most
I went to govt school and madrasa, I have never heard a word about hindu from teachers. Hindu or India is no issue in Pakistan but in indian media
maximum we heard hindu baniya when we were reading social studies. what we have been taught is now actually happening in india. baniya is showing his colors.
The speaker is wrong when he says, to which sect a Muslim in Pakistan belongs to is more important to him than Islam. Those differences may be 1% but what they agree on are 99%. They all define themselves as Muslims, they call themselves Muslims and they all say they are Pakistanis. Some people, because of ignorance or bad intentions, try to divide Muslims between Sunni, Shia, Barelvi, Daubundi. As far as sects & castes are concerned, there are much, much more in India and with wider differences.
Pakistanis say, Islam first and then after Pakistan. Indian says India first and then only religion. end of the story. Pakistan is a radical country
My brother in islam your statement is wrong on so many levels.
@@muralikrishnayerubandi8451go and ask any Muslim from any part of the world.they will say Islam first then country Indian Muslim would say the same .
And it doesn't means country is not important it mean if country is 19 Islam must be 20
You're blind by truth in my life I have seen people calling each other kafr wahabi use to call kafr to shia and shia call wahabi kafir and suni call shia kafir and so on bro I won't lie when I say the truth and heard with me own ears.
Lots of accurate points but a bit of double standards evident.
1)The claim that Jinnah promoted violence after the Cabinet Mission Plan of 1946 is contradictory, as Jinnah himself accepted the plan after years of failed negotiations. It makes little sense for him to incite violence to "show the British that we are different" AFTER agreeing to the plan. Interestingly, the historian omits the fact that it was NEHRU WHO REJECTED the plan, even though accepting it could have prevented a complete division by establishing a confederation, which was the best possible chance in the polarized situation of the populace at that time and against the interests of these desires of the crown to divide.
2)The assertion that the ruling Muslim elite sought a separate country due to the loss of power since the Mughal era is flawed. The Mughals had been gone for a long time, and Muslims played a significant role in the 1857 War of Independence, facing British retaliation. While British policies did exploit divisions, the polarization between Muslims and Hindus had deep roots. The Muslim elite didn't suddenly realize in the 1940s that their power was gone; it was a gradual process that led to this realization.
These are your thesis. Keep it safe with you😂
Yes Nehru rejected the plan. Good points!
Dear Indians, please understand we pakistani are taught a Disney fairy tale. There's no mention of any bengali in independence. We overlook all violence and omit direct action day and are taught "we only sought peace" until partition was only option.
Muhammad Ali Jinnah was totally right what will happen to Muslims in India. Alhamdolillah with all hurdles and economic crisis, we as Pakistani live happily in our separate country. The chaos is only in Indian media as Parvez Musharraf said, "there are bomb blasts in India and let me come to resolve your issues as well"
great interview..this coming from a pakistani...the points i want to add are
(1) in 1937, congress got power n it showed inclination towards hindus ...it was a glimpse of the future if hindus are in majority,,they will not spare muslims...current indian government is proving it again too.
(2) muslim was defined and agreed by all in 1970s and qadianis were declared non muslim as they dont consider prophet Muhammad peace be upon him as last prophet.
(3) grandson of nawab of qallat in an interview on geo channel( its on you youtube) said that my grand father told us that he saw prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in his dream n he asked to vote for Pakistan...
i agree to all other things that sir said in this podcast...its a learning for me as a pakistani..im a pashtun n respect abdul ghaffar khan too.
Lol 1937 pirpur report was buch of fraud papers created by jinnah. The gov general kinkithgow who was highly pro jinnah and muslim league declared it fraud . 😂😂😂
Also whatever happening in india is natural course of history where Moslem have already taken their nation , hindu have all the right to claim their religious identity and don't make compromise
Check the hindu population ratio in pakistan and Muslim ratio in india , compare it with 1947, you will what basic diff btwn sanatani and muslims is
@@priyranjangautam2300majority hindus were in east Pakistan. Bangladesh still has many hindus and west Pakistan has still v less...no difference
@@priyranjangautam2300majority of Hindu population was migrate to India in 1947 because of Hindu Muslim riots at that time. After creation of Pkistan Hindu population ratio was very low
Do you even prepare before asking a question? Almost every question ends with I don’t remember! You have great prospect in Bollywood and Indian politics from Bihar.
Seriously that is exactly what I was thinking! Dude clearly didn’t do his homework. Didn’t have care to jot down pointers on scratch paper
I am Brahvi Speaking
There are Many Tribes in Balochistan they speak Brahvi The Old Name of Brahvi was Kurd-Gaali (Which Means Lanaguage of Kurds)
Keep up with your language. It thousands of years to develop language and culture. It takes few year to distroyed.
Protect your language ,it's a culture and emotion
Does vali means path in brahvi? It is same sound word meaning in tamizh 😂😂🤣 God as a tamilian it spins my head when I think about probability.
Roj Bas bra
Isn't brahui a Dravidian language?
As a Pakistani person, I thank you for bringing this gem of a Person to a social media platform. It feels like I am listening to my grandpa rather than someone sitting in a rival place. I hope you can understand my feelings.
But some points are not clear and valid enough to understand
In Quaida(the alphabetic book), we read DDA se Daakia and za se zareef(utensils).
What he has said is wrong in it.
Gandhi did not go fast till Late Gopal Patha (Mukherjee) built an army (arms and ammunition black marketed from the bow barracks where WORLD WAR 2 US soldiers CAMP) and mass killings of Muslims happened as a reaction to the direct action day.
One of the greatest men to whom historical narrative has been unjust- Shri. Gopal Patha. 🙏🏽
I hope we rectify this.
@vijayravi56 whats more shameful is that today TMC is w0rse than AIML
The Anglo-American attitude towards Pakistan hasn’t really changed much since 1947. The guest is very watchable, topical, and informed.
This is like our childhood period listening to stories from grandpa.
Same vibe is there ❤
Your grand pa spoke in a language that you can't write in anymore though
Listening to him, brought tears in my eyes. I am a Pakistani and this guy has summarised the whole history in minutes. I have read history books ( not the Punjab textbook board), it never made sense to me that why people were not able to understand what's been happening. Its the brain washing of the masses and it has happened so perfectly that it starts from our homes, goes on in Schools and colleges and continues in University and media, even your spouse and family you marry into has the same idea. I moved abroad with my family so that my daughters do not get anywhere near these bastards who would use Islam to manipulate their brains. I feel sorry for the rest of my family living there. Its just beyond disgusting.
For one, I am happy that the partition happened. All the garbage, religious fanatics moved to Pakistan. If India was not partitioned, the ghost of Islam would never have let the citizens of this country, Bharat, live in somewhat of a peaceful existence. I see India is going to moon and making progress, albeit a bit slow in my view, but still a progress. While Pakistan, I don't need to say much.
Why blame the messenger when you love the message?
So much nafrat. Only upon your death you will know the truth
@@zahirak5348look I dnt mind you being brain washed. It's my decision to decide for my family. I think you a fellow Pakistani as well so there is no doubt that you will listen to the right word and wish death upon others. Some people don't need to die to know the truth. Truth is out there, you just need eyes to see and brain to follow.
You are the one speaking about his death and somehow he was the one with nafrat. Pakistani logic🤣@@zahirak5348
The "Divide and Rule" policy is the most successful strategies that the British used against India. It worked so well, and still has an impact on us.
Thats why bjp is winning even today. What they wont tell you is that hindu mahasabha always sided with british as they wanted to secure hindu interests
@@tsawal there is nothing called divide and rule. This term is created by lebrandu historians. How can someone divide something which is not United from the beginning. Britishers divided Hindu Muslim unity is a Bullshit. Britishers just replaced Islamic invaders and continue their legacy of prosecution
Just that they never used it. They literally united and created India. If it weren't for them, the Indian subcontinent would probably look like europe
@@charananekibalijaun8837 it was sardar Vallabhbhai Patel who United India. Without Britishers marathas would have capture enter India
Hindu Muslim war began before British
This is absolutely wonderful. First time you have brought a real teacher on the show. I am a student of Archeology and History. This is utterly fantastic!
I thought we read all this in history books😮
This is half baked history not talking about Islamic terror of 1921 khilafat movement, betrayal of Gandhi why he got killed by Godse. I would recommend you to read Sanjay Dixit's book with all events referenced from historic source in sequence. Ranveer can simply call it conspiracy on show.
There are VERY VERY VERY important lessons for India of 2023 in this 36-minute-long video. You cannot define a country by a single religion.
Any attempt to do so will only result in spectacular failure because the human brain will always find a way to differentiate between two things which look absolutely similar.
India can only be made strong when people accept each other's differences & take advantage of those differences to reach the same goal.
We did that experiments but leftist infiltration and appeasement gave space for hardliners I still believe that RSs is not even close to Muslim league neither the Hindus in india are radical. Many Hindus vote for bjps nationalist development mindset
You still haven’t learnt the lesson. Islam in particular and Abrahamic faiths in general are fundamentally different from dharmic faiths. They believe in conquest and reject coexistence. The only way we can fix it by strong push to civilisational state where everyone knows and recognises where they come from.
Tell that to the pEacefuls. They need your sermon more than others.
❤ from Pakistan. Majority of my friends today are Indian! Wish our forefathers had trusted love over hate
This guy couldn't even remember Muslim League! Where did he have his schooling? 😂
He is just a silver soon TH-camr
I'm Pakistani and I have never seen a "Qaida" like the one mentioned in the video. And the definition of Islam is written in constitution of Pakistan. According to which one is Muslim if he believes that there is no God except Allah and Muhammad P.B.U.H is the last prophet of Allah. So, this is the reason why Qadiyani are declared as Kafir. Because they believe that Mirza Qadiyani is also a prophet after Muhammad S.A.W.W.
There are some molvis who call shia as Kafir and brailvi sunni as Kafir. But now the new generation has realized this trap of this type of mindset. We consider everyone as a Muslim whether he/she is shia or sunni. And this type of mindset is currently in all levels of youth and in those who understand Islam in real meanings.
This men is a university himself,love from Bangladesh
While most, not all, facts seem to be correct, the interpretation is flawed. Lets start with Jinnah.
Jinnah was an ardent Indian nationalist till 1930, when Mr Gandhi began to saffronize Congress and Muslim League was divided, Jinnah left politics and india and settled in England, bought a house and started his practice. This is not ambition for leadership, it’s actually a proof of his sincerity. Gokhele called Jinnah ambassador of Hindu Muslim unity. As did Sarojini Naidu. Many prominent Hindus and Sikhs admired Jinnah.
The idea of separate state for Muslims was first articulated by Iqbal. Google Allahabad address. Yes, same Iqbal who penned “sarae jahan se acha Hindustan hamara”. Iqbal was compelled to change his mind when he saw congress was controlled by Hindus who had no interest in Muslim welfare. Shuddi Sangatthan movement was in ascendency.
It took Iqbal three years to convince Jinnah of two nation policy for Muslim league. In 1935 Jinnah accepted to return on condition five prominent leaders of ML must invite him.
The true colors of Congress came to light after winning 1937 provincial elections when Muslims were treated as third class citizens. This cemented the idea of Pakistan.
Muslims don’t believe in nationalism or ethnicity, the only uniting force is Islam. This was the basis and the binding glue of Pakistan. Nations rise and fall in history. So the current challenge Muslims face is something which all nations have faced in history. Mankind is a work in progress. Muslims ruled over subcontinent for centuries when binding force was Islam.
Why ML leaders didn’t go to jail? Jinnah was not an agitator, his world was victory in court rooms based on jurisprudence, not on the streets by mob action. The direct action day was a peaceful show of force Bcos British refused to follow their own law. It was an exception. Forces opposed to ML caused the chaos and violence.
BTW, this writer was born, raised and educated in India. So don’t go blaming Pakistan or Mullah or religion. Facts are stubborn thing.
I don’t agree with the speaker at all. He is twisting all facts to suit his preconceived ideas. But it’s his show, he can say whatever he wants.
@@mohammedsiddiqi2862 great
@@mohammedsiddiqi2862 beautiful answers
It is not true that Jinnah did very poorly in the 1937 elections, and only after that agitated for his separate state?
Yes, in 1937 ML did poorly. It was disorganized as a political entity. Jinnah organized it and won in 1946.
Regarding Kalat independence, Bhopal, Hyderabad Decan, Kashmir etc also wanted to remain independent, why you don't mention that.......ooen prejudice.
He must talk all these things.
Sweet happ gapp,bitter thu thu.
Exactly what i was thinking, india itself invaded so many neutral independent territories but he hid all that
Every Pakistani should watch this (if they have the courage).
Don't worry, I am not holding my breath.
Evr watching and laughing at his lies like the dako story and kafir story
Well we have the guts to watch this and will enlist his lies too if I got enough time
I am Pakistani and I am watching this so where is the reward? 😺jahil isko ghor sy suno to tmhyn pta chly Muslims Ka grace unki bravery rr unsy log kaisy dary Ty. Main pakhtoon hn or mery dada Abu bataty thy kaisy unhn ny logn KO bhagaya idr sy😂I proud on them
Jinnah was not a freedom fighter.
Yeah...just 'fighter'.
True 💯💯💯
First terrorist sleeper cell
He was a british agent and just follow the brits' instructions. Look how many people had been killed just because of him. No less than Hitler.
And an 'urban ELITE'
That's why salute to Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza❤❤ who emphasize his best to be a true Muslim rather than to be a part of any sect, who blame kafir to one another 😊😊
He is a dajjal of this ummah
He also supports Qadianis over the Ummah.
@@azharkhan4975why because he say no to sectism ?
this is the first guest on this channel that has acurate representation of history.
For Muslims. Religion is the most important thing. For Pakistanis Islam is the most important. What India and Hindus are doing to Christian’s and Muslims.
Living in Pakistan all my life and being a pathan, it is safe to say that this Sir was absolutely pin point on the spot with his analysis. Sadly 😢
If you can get Nafees Ur Rehman Durrani on your show that would be great. He is a well established Pashtun academic who can delve deeper into the Pashtun experience east of the Durand.
As a Pashtun from Chitral that guy is a nut job. He isn't anywhere are reasonable or sensible as the gentlemen in this video lol.
This guy is ignorant about Moulana Azad too. Maulana Azad gave an interview in urdu to a kashmiri paper. His reasons are that by staying together they can convert Hindus faster
Ya bro this guy follower romila thapper..
Correct
Being a Pakistani, my 97 percent History knowledge matches with the Sir.
The only part which I didn't know that kalatt/nwfp or pushtoons didn't want to go with Pakistan.
That may be the case in history. But just for information purposes, that is not the case today. KPK is integrated with Pakistan like any other province. If either Kalat or KPK still held independence desires, there would be fierce resistance to Pakistani state until today. Which isn’t the case. That isn’t to say there are problems. But those problems aren’t isolated to Kalat or KPK
he lied Pashtuns voted in a referendum to join Pakistan lol only bacha khan didn't want to join Pakistan. Pashtuns are Pakistanis by choice
My only questions is: why is India still so obsessed with its weaker, small neighbour, Pakistan? Just let it go and be happy you won.
Starting to watch,
Me: I wouldn't be surprised if the host starts asking about Aliens and Yetis again 😆
The host seemed to be clueless about India’s freedom struggle history.
34:20 That is a complete lie stating 99 percent of Pakistanis are extremists. You're calling out mainstream media for spreading hatred and lies meanwhile doing the same thing. Most Pakistanis are practicing muslims but this doesn't make them extremist or hateful towards other communities in Pakistan. Don't build opinions without actually visiting Pakistan and seeing it for yourself.
Fantastic interview...thank you both
Why was India 's Independence Preponed from 1948 to 1947 ?
Why did Mountbatten suddenly declare that the Partition of India would take place with inexplicable haste on August 15, 1947, almost a year ahead of schedule?
The only problem with the partition was that it was no a complete one. All piecefuls should've been sent to pakistan. Yes we would've lost a lot of great Indian muslims but the ratio of good and crazy is super skewed towards the latter.
It was a complete partition because India was a country open to everyone. Pakistan viewed hindus and muslims as different nationalities but India didn't use the same criteria to define nationality. So some people chose India over Pakistan. On a different note,What do you think about akhand bharat if you think all muslims shouldve gone to pakistan.
@@MostLucidWhy was Pakistan created then? Where was Pakistan before 1947 to think of Hindus n Muslims differently? How mischievous could you get? Do you think you can hoodwink people forever?
@@MostLucid Agree
@@humungous09 I don't know what you're saying but I answered this. Indian nationality= all people. Pakistan nationality= Preference to muslims.
People are being naive. India would be a better place had the partition been complete.
Really great video! Knowledge that is only possible for people if they study multiple books on various subjects of history ❤
Great perk of today's gen that they don't have to go through all that effort, just sit with great minds like these who put these efforts throughout their life
Excellent analytical facts. The fact that muslims are bound by their religious ideology which must be followed without question is clear that their ghazwa e hind wet dream must come to fruition. Sanatan Dharmi's must train and arm ourselves globally as this is clearly a civilizational war. The west always sides with followers of abrahamic ideologies. Jai hind 💪
Jai hind
Great Discussion ❤🇵🇰as a Proud Pakistani i agree with what they said. Not only me but Professors in Universities of Islamabad 🇵🇰 also believe the same.
Divide and Rule.
Even though they have liberated us but they are the ones who are indirectly governing us.
We were always divided we have independent history all states were independent and separate unite to kia hi in empires ne
Chorchill stole food from indian subcontinent, indirectly killed people.
He had made up his mind to divide indian subcontinent, hindus and Muslims were pawns.
Professor in uni in Islamabad??? You talked like a true Indian!
Arya Samaj Bande Mataram Not accepting separate electorate Urdu Hindi controversy Nehru Report
And many more the reason for partition
Listening to all this, we all should be happy and understand that religion into politics is a very wrong thing, hope we understand something from it
Right 👍🇵🇰
So what are the hindus doing now with the muslims
Wow!!! An Indian saying Pakistan's problem is that its ethnic groups were historically never part of a single state. Yeah but India with God knows how many ethnic groups has always been a single entity. The 4 major ethnic groups of Pakistan have a shared history.
Here are a few facts that you can check for yourself, there are more Balochs living in Punjab than the entire population of Balochistan. There are more Pushtuns in Karachi Sindh than in Peshawar & Kabul combined.
And Kalat was one of the 4 princely states that became part of the current province of Balochistan. Kharan, Lasbela, and Makran acceded to Pakistan before 47, and Quetta, the current capital of the province, and the entire northern part of the province was part of British India's Chief Commisoners Province and its Municipality and Jirga leaders chose Pakistan. Pakistan bought Gwadar from Oman in 50's. And no Without Quetta and the 3 princely states, Kalat would not have shared a border with oil-rich Iran, rather it would have been enclosed within the territory of Pakistan from all sides, so was not feasible.
Indian has been single country since 4000 years before mohammad was born and wrote quran telling he is getting that all from allah
I want to correct disinformation here.
Kalat was one of many princely states in province of Balochistan.
It was not entire Balochistan.
It was a small princely state in the middle of Balochistan.
The border of iran was connected to other princely states in Balochistan like kharan, makran and Lasbela.
These 3 princely states acceded to Pakistan.
Kalat was hesitant to accede.
What kind of historian he is.
Either he is not clear about Map of british india or he deliberately want people to confuse princely state of Kalat with province of Balochistan to support indian state's media disinformation.
I would just add , country based not on "religion" but "religious extremism"
Yes India
Ahhh how cute a Indian Muslim proving his nationalism keep going 👍
This guy is a gem! He knows history not taught in Indian and Pakistani Books.
Seriously? Ranveer dint know about Direct Action Day?
HIS BODY LANGUAGE AND ACTING SELLS THIS CHANNEL. HE ACTS AS IF HE IS AN INNOCENT.
Yes he earlier thought it was done by Yeti....
Ur saying that Indians r angels they never attacked any church gurdvara or any mosque in ur religion u believe in 4 cast system ur mandirs r different for different people 😢
100 % bro you raised a powerful point & they considered themselves angels or pretending like doodh k dhulay hoye
Perfect explanation..kya baat hai sir...jo me likh nhi paya..aaj aapne vo bol diya 😂
And this explanation is much better than Abhijit chavada's
Sri Lanka??? Sri Lanka was never part of India. They were always a separate nation even before the time of Ashoka. Yes, the British colonized it but the people never considered themselves to be part of India.
It was part of British India.
And it was also part of Indian empires
U will wish it wasin a few years
@@asriv9251 it was not part of British India. Modern day Myanmar was part of British India. But Sri Lanka (called Ceylon at the time) was administered seperately. From 1815-1948
No it wasn't.
Very interesting and informative. Thank you both.
For a Muslim from Pakistan, definitely thought provoking. On a lighter note, the exclamation of “Damn” by the interviewer was endearing (just like my kids).
I as a Pakistani, love my country no matter what thr economy situation is on the charts, we live a happy decent good life here. Iam a liberal muslim, and living in Pakistan is a blessing for me. I like India, but im glad thr partition happened. And we have a seperate coutry. Respect
18:10 Tamils were lived all around the world in sangam period. Tamil were good in business Tradition Trades and also good sailors.
Whatever you are discussing.... We are proud that we seperated.... And live with freedom.... And respect your freedom within your country
Being a Pakistani Totally agree with you
But not all pakistanis are having the same mindset. some Educated urban faction even though small in number having different mindset from this theocratic extremist mentality.
All blame goes upon power elite who while using religion exploit masses for their own benefits 😢
Please add in your vedios urdu subtitles for Pakistani viewers thankyou
I am a Pakistani and all they are saying is sad but TRUE.
Did you read in book that hindues are daku, I m also Pakistani but I never read such a book.
What's true in it. ? All he saying is fake history created by their side .
@@RaheelShahzad-e1l our false history made us successful, your true history made u a failed nation. Now think about it😂
Are Bhai Hindi main karte toh samjhna asan hota English me konsa angrezo ko dikhana tha
As a Pakistani I can confirm that what he says is 100% true.
Great episode. Shocking ignorance shown by host on basic matters. How can one not remember the name of Jinnahs party in an episode focused on Pakistan! Immature interruptions like ‘Damnnnnn’ absolutely interrupt the flow
Don't be a hater. He made this conversation happen. This is a topic that's interwoven with many false narratives, so this podcast clip is absolutely necessary.
@@TheGodFahader what hater? I started the comment saying great episode! lol
The host should review his interview style. Cringeworthy interruptions
Great guests but unnecessary, meaning less interruptions…
Please looking forward to many more interesting guests with minimal of “what I know”s
The good thing is, he isnt just nodding his head like others(hosts)
Lesson learned from Pakistan's history; mix religion with politics, ultimately you will go Pakistan's way. As wise men say do not mix alcohol with driving.
@@lijjo1986 yes india should not mix religion wit politics too let the minorities live in peace
Not necessary... saudi is religion based country , UAE , INDONESIA , MALAYSIA ,
You think religion is the issue? No. Pakistan may say religion is mixed with politics, but when you look at ground reality (which I assume you haven’t) you’d come to the conclusion that by all practical means, Pakistan is a secular country because there is no regulation of religion as is seen in countries like UAE and KSA which have religion with politics/govt. The mosques aren’t under regulation of any govt (just like a secular country). You know how free market economics allows exchange of goods without govt regulation? Similarly, that is the case of religion in Pakistan. There is no regulation so it tends to make its way every where which I am against. I don’t believe religion is inherently something you keep to yourself, but there are boundaries
First i used to hate the partition "now its completely good" whatever happens " is happens for good only" atleast they would have taken (some) garbage left which still exists in Great Bharat...
Why not give the title 'Some (Muslims who stayed back in India and are currently) Indians wanted Pakistan.'
Tilak Devasher is underselling himself by saying he's a historian. The man is a retired R&AW (cabinet secretariat).
May be he does not want to use R&AW as a selling point for Publicity .. so, I respect this man
@@RsandeepK7a matter 😅😅😊😊😊😊 15:38
He is telling history as per india's state narrative.
That's evident when he continues to present princely state of Kalat as Balochistan.
In reality Kalat was a small area in the middle of Balochistan.
It wasn't entire Balochistan.
So his historical narrative is derived from lens of R&AW.
He is saying biased things in a cleverly crafted manner.
This is quite interesting Being a Pakistani I am getting to know about the history through an Indian
he is a pakistani historian. lol
False. And it is purely one sided and edited storyline ... it is always there on both sides
Agar Tum history parhi to pata chalega hamare pas apni independent history he it's a subcontinent divided subcontinent unite to kia hi in empires ne inks endia khud 1947 me paida hua tha subcontinent ka nam adopt kar ke British se and also hamare pas bhi option tha ye India nam rakhne ka😂
@@rehanalam6538 if you have open mind watch tarek fateh videos. if you honestly first watch tarek fateh
Excellent guest! Despite TRS’ leading set ups and sensational language, the historian delivered an objective and structured analysis based on historical record. More of this please!
Indians should thank Jinnah for partitioning India. Otherwise, India will be like Pakistan today.
Totally agree.
As if we don't have the nuisance now
Don't worry India will become Pakistan soon. Because we kept these people in india despite giving them 2 separate countries. Today they have multiplied to 300 millions.
@@mercedesbenz3751 and despite 1000 year rule by Muslims, Hindus multiplied forever and stay at 90% of the population
Discuss about princely states which was forcefully captured by Indian army . And tell the other side of story . Like Junagarh Hyderabad Dakan.
Bro they won't tell about those things . They are just telling the fake history written by themselves .. totally nonsense
Wow! An Eye Opener!! 😢
No wonder why Pakistan studies didn't make sense..... I'm glad to bunk all those classes 😂
Kudos to the guest for summarizing our history 👏 as a pakhtoon. i couldn't agree more that we have a history of over 4000 years.... 77 years of Pakistan 's ideology can't change that....
Uncle telling about how the history is distorted by distorting the facts.😂
I don’t believe the India Pakistan division was the wish of the people but only of the Muslim Elite of Bengal and Pakistan. Look at Pakistan of today; poor Pakistani people’s plight, their elite and the rulers treat them like Ahmad Shah Abdali or Nadir Shah and nothing more.
The problem is, the Pakistani Muslims are actually Hindi Muslims have Hindu Traditions and life style / culture, generally speaking but the Indian Hindus consider Or believe that all these Indian / Pakistani Muslims came as invaders of Hindustan. In reality 99.9% of all Muslims in the region have a Hindu lineage. But, I would state that this division of India has thrown the average Pakistani to the wolves; just look at how it works. In short, I agree with you. I am now a Pakistani Americans who sincerely wish this ugly and unfortunate division of India had not happened.
Bengal and UP
Mind-boggling how underprepared the interviewer is, one needs to know or study atleast the basic of the subject you would be interviewing about, specially when you are trying to have an academic discussion about a subject most people are aware about.
well at least he is not pretending to be a know-it-all like many other youtubers
I feel this all the time 😅 but hey he is doing his show so cheers to him
His target audience is teenagers and less informed who dont readily take interest in such subjects.His interviews are in a ' I am dumb , break it down ' format...while I agree with you, I appreciate him trying to entice the non- intellectual crowd into serious subjects matters
Actually the British felt Pakistan was better suited for their interests from 1930 itself. There is an MI5 declassified report from 1930 which said the same
Good narration of events which lead to the creation of Pakistan. Respected Talik Davasher has full grip on history of sub continent.
Respect Jinnah ♥️♥️♥️🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰 he's our hero !!!!! Love jinnah love PAKISTAN ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
He's correct 100percent but the sensible pakistani who know all this cannot do anything to stop this Anti India Anti Hindu notion... Helpless
Please introduce the guest speaker b4 firing questions
An objective & informed history behind the creation of Pakistan for the knowledge & understanding independence dynamics of the subcontinent
Always knew Muslims in Indian Subcontinent have identity crises, 😂
Because they are following sexulla...
says in the indian in english, while watching an interview by indians in english regarding subcontinent. yeah we have an identity crisis lmao
@@npb1748 yeah you do... you guys don't accept your roots because you so desperately want to associate with the Saudis ... I asked a Muslim girl from Port Blair where her ancestors are from... she said Saudi.... hahahahha.... yeah sure... a converted tribal with vedic roots thinks she came from Saudi
@@gal_targareayn6721Tribal and Vedic roots is an oxymoron!
@@henryviii8808 sorry, indic....
Now Pakistan is made we should accept and live peacefully. Both sides people loves each other❤
Awesome study by tailk sir the fault lines of Pakistan
Muslims should honour their agreement in 1947 for a seperate state for Muslims and not encroach on Hindu India
22:50 this is a good joke "none of them agreed who is muslim" xD
This man is the most intellectual and unbiased person ranveer has ever baught on his channel
Very helpful history thanks for sharing'
Ranvir is asking what is lashkar difficult to believe he does not have basic knowledge or he is pretending playing safe
You have to think from audience point of view. These are complex subjects that need a layman’s approach to produce simple answers.
Owasi is the new Jinah 😂
I am sure he will kill more Muslims than what Jinnah did.
Very accurate indeed. An absolute gem.
Unbiased lens on history.
30:40 so injustice with the answer, In Pakistan still people consider them Muslims more then Punjabi, Sindhi, Balochi, Pashtun.
Dude. Talk less and let your guests speak more. Thats why we see these clips. Not to see you speak. Come to the point/question quickly. It takes a long time for you to understand. Guests hv to dumb it down for you. Pick it up man. Pick it up. Speak less and let them speak more. Thats the essense of podcast.
there is a very good podcast by historysheeter channel on this subject
This podcast is from a parallel universe about a Pakistan in that universe
Partion is classic example of all religions in India every Bharath Varsha should learn from it
Ranvir like that bank-bancher.......... Sir would you plz like to end this jinnah chapter ajka hogea 🙃🙃🤣🤣😂
The best reply from Pakistan to you.
We are Rajput, We are ex-Hindus. We are totally disagree with you.
Two Nations is still reality, even today it is more powerful reality than ever.
As a Muslim, let me asure u that Islam does not allow anyone to hurt himself/herself or anyone else, that event u reported that man cutoff his own arm, could be true but its not Islam. I have never seen in my life being a Pakistani, any such incident of chopping hands.
Also, Islamization doesn't mean brutality. The problem with us(Pakistanis) is that we love our religion but we don't know much about Islam, nor the so called ulmas and mulvis teach us since this is their business and if they start teaching real Islam, their business will be shut down. Islam says no society can prevail without justice, a muslim should speak truth thats what Prophet Muhammad presented to us. Muslims are required to stand for what is right. But we do different. So if Pakistan is Islamized, no power on earth can stop Pakistan to prosper.
Thank God that we got Pakistan , Once Quaid e Azam said that the muslims who will stay in India and will not come to Pakistan , they will have to prove their loyalty to hindus for the rest of their life, that's whats is going on India, Watever we are facing in Pakistan , we are okay, at least we do not have to show our loyalty to anyone, we are absolutely free .
yes you got pakistan but at what cost ? no democrary, no free elected goverment , vote of ordinary pakistani muslims doesnt matter,
military still controls every aspect of your life.