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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- Concord recently released... and then unreleased. Let's talk about why it happened, and how it could have been avoided.
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Main problem:- characters look ugly, gameplay looks stale, entry price
Main problem is nobody wants more live service garbage.
@@joshnizzle people will definitely play a good live service game. just look at "Deadlock". But if the game play looks bad & the characters look ugly in a game, people will avoid such game.
main problem. game is woke. all chars are blakc, fatt and/or ghey
@@joshnizzle Your average video games consumer doesn't care about video games being live service or not. Your average consumer cares if the game looks good and interesting, and after they buy it they care that it is fun to play. Concord failed on the first hurdle, making it look as unappealing as possible by making characters look boring at best, and some even downright repulsive.
Gameplay was solid. Everything else meh.
There was almost as many people watching Cohh play Concord than people who bought the game worldwide.
at this point, if the unreleased "Wild Assault" when released has even more gamers than Concord and last longer than Concord...
it would just be incompetence at Firewalk Studios and publisher Sony Interactive Entertainment
@@HeadPats4Peter
I still can’t wrap my head around the idea that it took them 8 years to make this game
Don't forget the 100+ million dollaroos
They had about 100 employees pre sony takeover but were having problems durin gdevelopment so sony came in to help them and by 2023 they had about 150 employees.
100-150 employees over 8 years is alot of money.
Astro bot was made with like 60 in 3 years so the dev cost is alot lower.
Firewalk studios was originally founded in 2018, but I'm guessing this 8 year game is an outtake of some lead dev coming up with the idea of wanting to make a shooter? I have no idea how else one can get to 8 years instead of 6, which is still bad enough lol.
8 years from "let's make a game", not from their first functional piece of code.
8 years for absolutely no one to course correct.
They were warned very early on. Their only potential customer group told them what they thought of it and specifically why they didn't want it and wouldn't buy it. Their response was belligerence, insults, dismissals, and thick headed persistence. They had time to course correct but they consciously chose to move forward with a terrible product. I feel no pity for them.
When you make a game for an imaginary "modern audience" that does not and has never existed, no one buys your game.
Sorry Cohh, but dancing around the devs isn't going to help anyone. "Jim Ryan bad" is a cop out. Yes, sure making it not free to play was a mistake, but nobody played the game in a open beta as well. And Sony's live service push is dumb. Blaming corpos is easy.
But the devs were a major part of what went wrong. Remember for most of the time this was being made, the people running the game were all developers on big hits that moved away to start their own studio and make their dream game.... Away from the corpos. They made a game nobody wanted and it still would have been a game nobody wanted in 2015.
Exactly nobody who owns a ps5 wants live service trash
Another thing about the argument 'corpo bad, corpo at fault' is that when the development started the studio wasn't owned by Sony at all. Firewalk was owned by ProbablyMonsters and Sony bought them in April 2023.
How are all the mistakes attributed to Corpo's when they didn't own it for about 7 years?
All the (vocal) devs stood by this game until nobody liked it, then it's suddenly the corpo's fault.
He's not only talking about Jim Ryan. He's talking about the designers. The people with control at Firewalk. We're talking about middle management and higher. Regular devs don't have any sort of pull at the company unless they're shit hot at what they do. We're talking about the top 10% of people at Firewalk.
If you know anything about game dev at that scale, it can consist of hundreds of people. You can start with a designer that designs a character, down to an artist that further fleshes out that character in 2d stills, and then once approved down to a 3d artist that makes the model, and then if that's approved down to an animator that finishes rigging the model and does a few animations for testing and then submits that for approval. It can take more than a two dozen people just to get one character made sometimes. Sometimes more. Sometimes you can have many people making animations and outfits for the same character at the same time. It just depends on your resources and the production timeline.
Exactly most of the developer who make concord are progressive themselves
@@joshnizzle PS players literally eat up 3 popular gatcha games atm. I don't want to hear they don't want live service trash. You forget that most PS players are in asia for starters. On top of that they eat up live service shit. The issue is this didn't hand them waifus.
I heavily disagree on concord not being a bad game. The guns had 0 recoil and all felt samey, the characters felt like where walking in jello, non of the character kits was interesting, and I am purposely ignoring how ugly and uninteresting all of the chars were because it has nothing to do with gameplay, but let's be real, that's also a very important part of the game.
I could point a few more issues with the game, but you get the point.
no game is perfect. a game doesn't flop this hard just because you think the guns needed more recoil.
@@Always.Smarterouch. He never said it flopped because of that at all. Short bussin it pretty hard there ey feller.
I disagree. The character design is part of the gameplay. Like the big character that is a healer with bigger hitbox and is not a tank. You usually target the healers first in games like this and she is an easy target. They designed characters while not having gameplay in mind.
I hate that some content creators always feel the need to rush to the defense of the poor developers that can't never do no wrong, its always the big bad corpo manager. No other job in the world has this kind of coddling, it's annoying.
And you can tell it's performative because not a single one of them played the game.
I remember watching the trailer for Concord and going "Huh, this is mildly interesting. Is it a heist game? Does it have stealth? Might be worth keeping an eye on this one.",
and then I noticed the number conspicuously designed characters in the trailer and I thought "Wait a minute, single player games don't have this many characters. Oh no, is this a fugking hero shooter?".
So when the trailer switched over to gameplay and confirmed my fears I immediately wrote off the game and forgot about it.
When are these publishers and developers realize that in a creative industry they have to let the creative people make the decisions? When artists are so micro-managed that they are more like technical drawers than artists then it's not very surprising that what they produce has as much soul as a stop sign or a route diagram.
Yeah, I think it turned several heads with at the begging of the trailer, but by the end people already forgot about it again because it was a hero shooter.
It was the artists that decided the design of the characters, and they stand by their decision. It was their fault too.
I agree with a lot of what are you saying, but can we also stop blaming executives for everything? The corpos wanted a hero shoother, they didnt forced the artist to create those designs.
The studio was making the game before they got bought by Sony. Even without Sony they'd have made a hero-shooter.
Not everything is an executives fault, sometimes it's actually the people working at a place.
This is nonsense. The artists were not micromanaged, they were in on it too.
No mention of the elephant in the room?
Toxic positivity, they don't want to talk about the devs being activists.
Emari?
Which is? 😁
Ugly af characters
Was a lazy Overwatch clone released 8 years too late. Its cast of characters were ether dull or just plain ugly. Its devs were actively on social media preaching woke identity politics and stating that if you do not agree with their activism then don't buy their game. So guess what, people didn't buy their lazy Overwatch clone. They got what they deserved.
Well, as soon as I saw the characters I knew I wouldn't touch it with a 10 inch stick, no matter how good or bad the game would be lol
We're going to see more flops like this in the future. There are quite a few startups just like Firewalk that are full of veteran game devs poached from big companies, backed by lots of foreign money, trying to launch a big AAA hit with their first game. All that talent and experience, and it doesn't occur to them to start small and inexpensive, and then ramp up to something bigger.
Unlikely that much money will be given to unknown studio to develop 3A games ever again, because of Concord
@testxxxx123 what...? It happens all the time and will always happen.
It wasn't just that the people up top didn't understand the industry. They fundamentally do not respect gamers. They view them as slobs in a dark basement, and think they'll buy the same thing they've bought before, as long as you put it in front of them with some shiny bells and whistles. And if you want people to buy your product, you have to respect your customer, especially once they have many other options.
Any game developer that's chasing a trend to make money off players is taking a huge risk of being stale before it's even ready. If they aren't trying to build something based on new ideas or iterating on other popular genres because they have a passion for the game they're building, gamers usually see through that.
Don't chase the latest trend, be the next trend others chase.
As someone who didn't really play Hero Shooter yet because I am not really interested. Concord seemed quite interestring, but even if I wanted to try it. I have just at leats 3 Free to play options that are huge and popular so that means they have to be great, right?
Well, actually I lied. I quite enjoyed that fantasy battle royal on Epic for a few weeks. And apparently, it's dead as well now.
Edit: It was Spellbreak
@@Mashangi I have told people. "Do not chase the money(trend) and hope for players to come, Chase the players and money will fellow them"
The key with chasing the trend is that you have to be fast, improve on who “inspired” you, have a good twist, and/or make a rebalance of what was there before that is so good that it seems fresh.
Some good examples of this Gamefreak/Nintendo got inspired by the success that Atlus was having with Megami Tensei, so they wanted to make a kid friendly version, thus Pokemon was born… this got leaked halfway through Pokemon Red being developed and Bandai Namco got word so they decided to get “inspired” by Shin Megami Tensei to rework a little game they were already developing called Digimon World.
Then we have the Slay the Spire devs who were disappointed that Wizards of the Coast never made any more Rougelike MTG games, so they made their own….. which then “inspired” Monster Train (which is one of my favorite games to this day.) who did something fresh with the formula.
Rambling too much so let me summarize: Concord was too late to the party, played worse than its predecessors, and was in no way fresh.
@@Kizmar except that's false. Ubisoft has been publishing the same game every year for the past decade and a half and gamers still buy them. There's a new call of duty every year and they keep breaking sales records. Skyrim has been rereleased yearly and someone keeps buying them. "Gamers" might see through things, but they keep giving companies money for the same derivative soulless junk every year.
Truth is that big budget games are a massive financial investment to develop and unless you have money to burn the safest way to recoup and get a return on that investment is to make a thing that has worked previously. Same as with Hollywood films: there's a reason it's been nothing but marvel schlock for the past decade: it's proven to make money, so studios are willing to take the risk. Concord failed spectacularly, but it's an outlier. There's over 20 Assassin's Creeds, about 10 CoDs and countless other franchises that prove you don't need innovation to succeed l, just good marketing (which is where Concord failed, barely anyone heard about it).
You want innovation? Forget about AAA and play indies.
Even when there was a FREE beta no one played. The fact those experts and journos keep mentioning the entry price shows how out of touch they are
Something tells me that Concord is a huge ego product from it's studio.
There's no way they didn't see the red flags but they still decided to push through to prove a point, not just to the gaming community, but also to other developers.
The editor are doing a bang up job with these videos. Very well done and edited, informative and structured.
I will be honest, I have witnessed some of the most vile people attack and try to “cancel” others for simply having a different opinion.
All those people have been left wing activist community managers and gaming journalists.
It blew my mind, the very people I thought were the “good guys” were simply deranged and irrational.
So when I saw the unnecessary use of pronouns in concord it instantly put a bad taste in my mouth, not the pronouns directly but the type of people that use them.
That alone was enough to stop me even bothering to try the game.
Here's the thing. I noticed SO MANY are pushing 'Oh it's Overwatch, but way too late. Noone wants Overwatch or hero shooters anymore. Clearly that's the issue.'
And then I look at Deadlock and Marvel Rivals. Two games that are indeed literally what the guys are saying 'why' Concord failed, but both getting hype and interest.
So i disagree, I don't think it's because Concord was an Overwatch rip-off, it's because the heroes in the hero shooter were uninspiring, dull, ugly or a mix of all three. The Aesthetics of the game were not appealing, quite the opposite were disgusting and that's the reason It failed imho
Your example for people wanting live service games is two games that haven't released?
In my opinion failure is
50 percent being saturated genre
25 percent mediocre gameplaymodes
25 percent abomination cast
2:52 when Cohh looks up, he looks at something wonderful 🙃
none of these cowards mentioned the real reason why it failed? 🥶🥶
Which is? 😁
Gae😂😂 that what. they cant say it hahaha
FTP will not save this game, they will only lose more money reworking it.
I find it interesting when companies are so intent on listening to player feedback after they crap out a game maybe no one wants; crazy idea, but why not poll the community BEFORE you spend $100 million? Make a demo, run an alpha like BG3, do anything before spending that money and then be mad when no one wanted the thing you made. While Nintendo may not be perfect, they will send me surveys to see what I like, did I enjoy the game I recently purchased or have been playing. It seems like a significant part of the gaming community kinda stopped taking input from players until after they made their game, which makes me feel a bit less sympathetic with all these layoffs. Leadership needs to own this and take more input from their fans BEFORE taking expensive risks that could shut down their entire studio; it costs almost nothing to post an open survey for fans to fill out to get a feel for what people want or what they enjoy playing.
Actually iirc they got some good amount of feedbacks long before the game came out alright. But they just didn't care and painted gamers as villains with words like 'bigxxs' and 'talentless fxxxks'.
First rule of game dev: *Make a PROTOTYPE.*
If you game _isn't_ fun with placeholder art, it STILL won't be fun with final art.
I think that there are also a lot of research papers and surveys that pinpoint what customers really want. The fact that AI is able to design better looking characters than this game designers within minutes is mind blowing. Doesn’t that mean AI is aware of human preferences much more than real human designers of this game?
They know what sells in the market. Gamers have always been this way. Funnily enough, gamers would have been the most easy demographic to please. Even so, they tried to ‘revolutionize’ the market and started a rebellion without anyone following them, of course it failed.
@@bismarck5537 AI such as LLMs _aren't_ aware of ANYTHING -- they are gloried pattern matching algorithms. They just combine what is popular.
Why OW succeeded in their previous 40 dollars entry:
1. Blizzard still had a good reputation back then so there was a lot of goodwill and trust, enough to ignore the price tag
2. Character design just pops golden era Blizzard and they are really memorable
3. IIRC it was the first of Hero Shooters so it's a trendsetter
I could be missing more but I really can't emphasize character design enough
I agree with you globally. Overwatch didnt invent this genre though, team fortress 2 was the inspiration to me
TF2 wasn't a hero shooter?
@@adamlannerd1408 we didn't invent the term at this time, we called it "class based shooter", find me differences between overwatch and tf2 if u think tf2 didn't inspire OW
Just to put it into perspective. Even a fly lives longer than Concord. A F@£KING FLY!! Let that sink in.
You ever spend like an hour or two making your character in the character creator for a new game, finally get it to a place where you're happy with it, only to come back and see your character the next day and think "Oh my god how did I think this looked good??" Because after spending that much time refining all these little details, you kinda go down this weird rabbit hole where you're just insane. And I wonder if something similar didn't happen to the character design team for Concord. I mean, THIS is the result of _EIGHT YEARS_ of work??? I just don't get it.
people tip toeing around why we all know it failed
Right? I'm just sitting over here laughing my ass off. We know. We all know. No one wanna say it but... we all know. No, it's not oversaturation.... I'm looking forward to deadlock, lol.
The "modern Audience" does not exist
Does this channel admit what the problem is?
@McDLT999999999999 Cohh tries to stick to gameplay only so that is all he tries to focus on, and is very open about it and why he does that. His channel is all about playing games and giving his honest impressions of those games.
So technically he went over 1 of the 4 reasons why the game flopped.
He has played multiple games that are as ugly as sin, but will only comment on it if it really impacts the gameplay (Hellpoint is a good example where he ignored how it looked, and a really fun game.)
He will do his best not to talk about if the game devs are harassing people online, unless someone in chat asks him about it while he is playing that game.
Last but not least, he is just reviewing the game as is so he will not talk about the #1 reason for the flop… which is the devs ignoring all constructive feedback about improvements to the game, before it released.
Someone is afraid to offend their woke costumers
This is what happens when you hire yes man/woman and look to avoid any (dissonance). No one saw this release failure because everyone was forced to be on the same page even though the page is on fire. Seeing the art direction and character look and not questioning it is why this game failed, not because they were a few years late to the party.
This could have been avoided with honest focus group testing outside of California.
Loving the editing on the new vids. Really great job of weaving in different clips and keeping a cohesive throughline. Nicely done, team
Concord and many games over the last few years have some of the worst artistic direction and design in the history of all media. This is what happens when people with no talent get into positions of affecting artistic decisions. This phenomenon is not exclusive to disconnected management because that has always negatively affected the production of art. This is specifically due to DEI practices and people with social and political agendas being put into positions of power based on their ideology , race, or gender, instead of skill and objective talent. Not only do they lack the artistic acumen, but the problem is amplified due to a social/ political agenda being pushed above gameplay, design, art, and, in many cases, an already established fanbase. This is what happens when bullshit politics gets injected into every aspect of our lives, even the aspects we used to use to get away from this garbage.
Not beeing free to play isnt really the problem. Literally not even at all. If it would revolutionize like OW did in 2016 when OW1 released.. also 40 bucks aswell.. But that game had CHARACTER. Im sure many would buy it if this game had some character instead of just beeing an shit down into your face political agenda like Dustborn.
Ever since first seeing the character designs for this game, it has given me the same feeling as listening to AI voice-overs or looking at AI art has given me: A sense of "off-ness" and disconnect, or a lack of "soul" one could also say. Rubs me the wrong way, honestly.
I might be wrong, but I can't help but think these character designs were based on AI art.
it flopped for the same reason star wars outlaw flopped, and soon the next assassin's creed.. modern audience don't show up
Representation matters to white/asian men now. We only play games where we are represented.
Because they keep on recycling the same shit gameplay. Ubisoft has been making the same game with different skins for decades now and people are just bored. It offers nothing new or innovative to them.
It flopped cause it’s live service and nobody wants it. Star Wars flopped cause younger gamers are ignorant and hate on stuff without even trying it. Outlaws was a good game. Not a great game but plenty of fun. I enjoyed it far more than wukong.
Imagine trying to do an uninspired 5v5 hero shooter with badly designed characters for 8 years with $200M, when there was Battleborn or LawBreakers that done a lot better, genuinely tried, and still died pretty fast.
And lets not forget another reason Concord failed: hubris.
I'm really liking these new kind of videos on this channel, please send more! The editing and the timing are so perfect, aligned with the opinions of my favorite streamer of games, I will always look forward to these videos!
This is what happens when you employ regular people to check boxes and meet quotas rather than people who actually have the skills needed that also play games.
Those are veteran bungie devs, people who worked on halo back when halo was good, it would be a stretch to say that they don't have the skills needed.
It has nothing to do with the skills, and everything to do with individual creativity and the lack of bringing something unique to the playing field. The game was made by competent (except perhaps the art style/direction), veteran game devs who know what they're doing, from a technical standpoint. However the core gameplay loop is extremely boring, overdone, unoriginal and designed by committee. That's why it failed there was no passion in the game, just a generic safe hero shooter with no identity of its own. It was designed by executives who don't play games instead of by people who play games.
@@None38389 Vet Bungie devs are gone, stop trying to link this failure to them to make you sleep better at night. This game was garbage, boring designs, same old boring gameplay thats been overdone a thousand times before. Maybe they'll wake up and stop making slop but then again it's made for the brainrot generation so I don't know.
It had nothing to do with DEI. I don't know why people keep saying that...oh wait, I do. These people were competent developers. The game was made well from a mechanical standpoint. The art/creativity and the fact it cost money when their competitors are free to play are more along the lines with what the issue is.
You have no info that that was the case, the fact that you immediately assume that that happened speaks volume
these extra edits add so much more value, thanks for the video!
i will say the new thing now is co-op shooters, helldivers and space merine is imo starting a trend.
The thing is, those sorts of games have been around for like 20 years. They didn't start a trend. They're just continuing something that was more popular in the past.
There is more to it, both are FUN games, just being games. No agenda, no political taint, no disrespect towards its gamers. Ah yes and just heroism.
@@Maruun1986
>space marines
>no agenda
>no politics
you wot?
@@Maruun1986 The lack of media literacy here is astonishing.
@@Maruun1986 Are you fucking kidding me you think HELLDIVERS and SPACE MARINE have *NO* political agenda?
How far into the rock have you shoved your head?
Imagine having a unique idea, going with it, having a beta, releasing and then succeeding.
Imagine.
@@dissuede6949 that's the problem executives and designed-by-committee and statistical analysis have no imagination.
2024 will be remembered for having what are probably the two biggest flops in gaming history: Concord and Suicide Squad. Not sure about Skull and Bones but that's probably up there too.
When i first saw concord i thought it was going to be like a team building character driven rpg/shooter kinda like mass effect. They wanted to focus on character story with how they explained the weekly events but then just had generic no story combat. If concord was a sci fi heist/rpg story based game like even guardians of the galaxy..it coulda been big. But it feels like someone stepped in half way through and said "no that wont make money make it a live service hero shooter so we can nickle and dime everyone." And that was the end of concord. While the character designs were weird i think if it was set in a kinda a weird sci fi world where we got to learn about the characters and get to know them i think it would have been far better recieved
A game with little visual flair *and that actively turned off a portion of its audience with its character designs), no gameplay innovation, didn't feel especially good to play, and oh by the way it has an up-front cost even though it's designed to be microtransaction hell.
Who is this game meant for?
I won't try to tell you that the oversaturated genre, the lateness for something that was supposed to compete with Overwatch, or the $40 for what should have been f2p from the start weren't a factor, but don't let them make this all about those things, either. Concord was basically "DEI: The Game." People didn't even want to try this, because it looked like "woke" nonsense from the start. Who wants to play as any of those characters? Even if they were touched up a bit and given a better colouring job, the designs are simply unappealing.
Yup. Like you said, people didn't even WANT to TRY this game. A lot of games flop after having a large initial player count, because people play and realize, oh this sucks. This game wore it's identity on it's sleeve and everyone saw that and said, nah, I'm good.
Bruh, you don't play shooters if you thing this wasn't a bad game. This whole video was you dancing around the actual issues and not overstepping with what you say because you afraid of blowing your chances of more sponsored streams for shit games.
Biggest problem if you ask me is, they are going head to head with overwatch 2, a free to play game, and asked for money. and that is where it failed before it even got to get going.
I love having Max on Dropped Frames, and kinda wish he'd become a semi-constant voice for the show.
My current opinion on entertainment in general is that the people with most money have no fucking clue what to do with it. The amount of money that incompetence has is so ridiculous that I actually feel bad for the people that could bring cool stuff to the table, but can't because they have no financial means for it. Instead we get the privilege to witness the successes of Concord, Star Wars, LotR, among others.
Actually, Concord is not an interesting project. That's why it was shut down.
Agree 100%. To me its similar to what happened with Lawbreakers and Battleborn. Solid games, wrong place, wrong time.
I strongly disagree on 8:10 section - if Concord is a bad game question. Yest it is a bad game. And to support that it is said to take Concord in isolation by what Concord was without comparing it to other games. There is no other way to decide if game is bad or good than to compare it to something else. And every other game looks better, runs better and have better gunplay.
I still believe if Sweet Baby inc wouldnt had stepped in, the game could had lived for at least a year. As we saw from concept arts, the characters could had been interesting not this lame
Why won't anyone say that we don't want to play as fat ugly characters with pronouns on the selection screen. That is what the problem was, not the gameplay.
It really comes down to the art style and unattractive cast of characters, if the game was even a little appealing in either or both of those aspects people would have at least tried the game. Its so visually underwhelming that nobody even wanted to download and try the game for free. You don't really need to reinvent the wheel or change much from the competition if it played decently and had characters you actually wanted to select.
I'm worried that Sony's strategy is just to shit out as many Live Service titles in the hopes that just one of them takes off and makes them their billions. Because that's just going to lead to so many failed projects where the lesson learned isn't going to be that people don't want Live Service titles, it's that "Oh, well people didn't buy into our Spyro IP live service, guess we should abandon that IP"
Yeah. I wish they’d quit the live service crap. I don’t own a ps5 for live service trash. I want new single player experiences
It's so uneral to think that there were massive failures like Avengers, Redfall or Saint's Woke and yet they were still able to top all of them
Really feel that 99% of how badly it failed is aesthetics.
People weren't put off the gameplay, or what kind of game it was, or even the pricetag.
Their engagement with the product didn't get far enough along for those things to register.
I personally saw the characters and said "nope". And I'll bet most of the mainstream market did the same thing.
Have to wonder if the higher-ups at Sony were somehow gaslit into believing they were out of touch with "what the kids want", to not take one look at it and get alarm bells.
It's not a matter of whether they're gamers. Like, do they not have functioning eyes?
It's a hero shooter but with only the side characters playable.
First Person Shooters have always been about having something innovative that sets them apart or makes the game more advanced.
when Quake 4 released it was treated like Concord. and the number one complaint was that it didn't do anything new.
Lack of distinguishing characteristics is disingenuous. It had distinguishing characteristics, the problem is the gamers didn’t want anything to do with them.
Cat says "This is MY show now. I'm the captain!"
Just wanna say as someone who doesnt get to watch cohh's stream very often, or has the time to watch his playthroughs, i really love this channel for giving me the feeling of staying in touch with him and the community. Cheers
My favorite thing is when a game is so bad even COHH needs to admit it.
8:08
Concorde is a plane crash.
Concordia is a shipwreck.
Concord is a gaming flop.
Love the Cohh reacts vids, can't wait to see more in the future!
I think the lesson learned here is you either have to:
1. Strike while the iron is hot, or...
2. BE ORIGINAL.
The lesson is. PlayStation owners don’t want live service games. I don’t and not a single ps5 owner of the 30-40 I know want another service game. Period. They want great single player games.
8:30 this take is insane.
No is True
Mostly disagree, the game was okay from a technical standpoint, if you compare shooting mechanics with other shooters it's not really doing anything wrong (though it isn't doing anything new or interesting either and that's the problem it's too generic). The problems lie elsewhere, the biggest one being that they're 8 years too late to make a Hero Shooter with ugly characters that also doesn't bring anything new to the table.
@@futuza Id be the deed to my house that if this would of launched even 6 years ago, it still would of have had its back blown out by the competition.
Oh no i was looking forward to playing as a black trans ninja
The Renaissance is slowly approaching...
You gotta feel for the folks that actually had to put work into this game, knowing it's a sinking ship, but still having to come in and work on it.
Its like they took a poll on everything gamers hated and then made sure to add every single thing on that list into their game. Amazing how out of touch they are with their actual audience.
Blizzard need to thank Sony and Firewalk Studio, now Overwatch 2 is not biggest flop anymore.
I just watched FORTRESS THE LAST DAY OF WAR after watching this video.. It was well worth it.. It's shame it's only 7 minutes long.
This is the level of decision making that will try to sell us the Waterworld movie tie-in game in 2024.
This could be the plus side of development taking longer now. Companies can't trend chase if games are taking 2x the time to make but trends are only lasting half as long as they used to.
The reason why games take twice as long to make is because developers are half as good as they used to be, the game industry is filled with political activists pretending to be game developers. It's Sony's fault for hiring these people, copying a game is incredibly easy and it took them that many years to do it.
@Stevo.100 no matter what your or my opinions are on that no that's not the reason games take 2x as long. It's the race to have the most realistic games that's the issue. If you're working on a character model that 100x more detailed it's going to take more time. What the person believes or not doesn't really come into play.
@@Stevo.100 Let me guess, you watch Asmongold? Only his audience would shift directly into right-wing consp1racy the0ries while undermining the hard work that is game development.
When they say "games take longer to make", It's mostly referring to blockbuster titles like Ragnarök, Grand Theft Auto, etc.
@@CC-of5xl it doesn't matter. It still doesn't take 8 years to make 3d models. Graphics are not what's causing the games taking so long to be made, it's the coding, which is EASIER than it's ever been, the reason is the people doing the coding are terrible at their job.
Sony isn't anywhere near done with Concord. They're definitely going to rebrand it and release it free to play with microtransactions.
Whoever edited this video, amazing video! I am loving the focused, short videos of Cohh’s opinions and takes.
$100+ millions: 8 years employees well payed! It is not about the result, it is about the process.
3:17 I see what they did there with the "Deadlock" logo
The Concord Situation is insane
Ain’t it ironic? how they named it after a plane that was notorious for killing people because it was so poorly designed and rushed that it ripped itself apart at supersonic speeds… 😂😂
Well gaming is all about building communities , so arts style, story, open beta, open to feedback is very important in this industry
Just to think that The Last of Us Online was cancelled possibly because Playstation prioritized Concord. Unbelievable.
Well honestly it should have never been started. They wasted naughty dogs time we could have had a great new naughty dog single player game by now had they not forced the dev to do live service garbage which none of us want.
I don't even want to play Valorant, a FREE game that is a thousand times the game Concord is. WHY should anyone pay $40 for the privilege of playing that crap?
If we're referencing Helldivers 2, it's almost a dead game.
Even a massive success, if a couple of egregiously poor decisions are made, will tank the playerbase.
It's still banned in 180 countries ... that could previously play the game.
From a consumer perspective: It WORKED before. Now it DOESN'T. Fuck Sony.
I wouldn't be surprised if the brand damage from Helldivers 2 carried over to Concord.
I think this game screams internal studio political issues.
Maybe seated and exacerbated by real world politics but moreso office politics.
The character designs are the biggest indicator of this to me.
You obviously have some very competent artists actually doing renders and modeling.
But if I had to take a guess either the leadership or a faction in the art team formed a cabal which hugboxed their own ideas while shutting down all legitimate criticism.
No collaboration is how you end up with character designs that appeal to so few people.
And I would bet DEI played a part in it. Not because the characters are diverse.
No its because the surface level values of acceptance attract generally nice, welcoming people.
But also attract status hungry bullies who can use it as a cudgel to get ahead and force their will on those people.
So yeah. Probably a cabal of people between art/marketing/management who bulled and status gamed their way to the top then using those same processes to shut down all dissent and legitimate criticism of their half-baked ideas.
Isn't Hyenas bigger? Both same genre game, same year, and from Japan corporations spend masses of money for them (Sony and Sega). But Concord was released and then shot down, while Hyenas was shot down before release, since they realised no one is interested about the game.
(Hyenas was developed by British company Creative Assembly, which is famous from Total War games, but they also done other kind of games, like sport games. But their gold mine is Total War series. And that series suffered for long time because some one wanted them to make games like Hyenas. But once Hyenas was executed, it seems that they actually started really improving Total War games - Total War: Warhammer III and Total War: Pharaoh. And they now started to do, what players demanded them to do for years...Shame that they killed years ago Total War: (Romance of) Three Kingdoms (and angered Chinese audience which really loved the game, but wanted game properly done), and then they cancelled second game in the series, seemingly because they angered Chinese audience by stopping developing and fixing bugs of first game. Biggest (or at least most popular) mod for the TW:Three Kingdoms seems to mod which focus on fixing bugs and developing game as it should done by CA. This mod is mainly done by Chinese people, but others can use it as well. And now Chinese game companies are making similar games, since CA abandoned their goldmine. Only TW: Warhammer 3 reached similar numbers as TW: Three Kingdoms. For example TW: Rome II, which been really popular, is much less popular than TW: Three Kingdoms. I mean, it is one thing to spend tons of money for game what no one is not interested, and other thing to kill projects (and under fund such) what are really really popular and liked, in genre where there is no much competition (yet!). Now CA seems to learned, maybe even their owner, Sega did...? But that needed peasant rebellion (=player rebellion) in their last gold mine, TW: Warhammer 3, and poor sales for TW: Pharaoh, and facing the fact that no one is interested about their Hyenas game, which ate all resources from other games...)
While I think what Cohh is saying is true to a certain extent, I think this game would have failed even if it came out five years ago. Maybe to a lesser extent, but still fail nonetheless. if this game was an absolute masterpiece, the game would have performed. If it was creative, it would have performed, etc. Even a genre lost in the past, if the game is good, it will make it. Look at Baldur's Gate. CRPG reaching that size of an audience in 2024? No matter when this game came out, it would have been a huge success!
This is why I don’t buy games based solely on streamers opinions.
not free to play, nothing in the game was different enough is basically more of the same and the worst characters design i have ever seeing....it was doomed from the start
that guardians of the galaxy game that everyone ignored was a better concord than concord
It’s impressive how Cohh managed to talk about why Concord failed for ten straight minutes without once mentioning that gamers just don’t want to play a pronoun-shooter.
I didn't even try it during the free open beta test they did. While there are a bunch of secondary reasons I already didn't like it that some may scoff at, the primary ones are what most people share. It looked uninteresting. It did nothing different and didn't add anything to the formula. It was a hero shooter with abilities, which at this point is the bare minimum for a hero shooter to the point that that is what defines the genre's baseline. I'm also going to go and potentially put a target on my back: the designs of a lot of characters, not all, but a lot, give me the impression that they were INTENTIONALLY made to look less than appealing. My eyes are not bleeding from their sockets, but the characters either look average or somewhat bad/ugly almost on purpose.
What's funny is that there are a few hero shooters coming out in the future that I am interested in.
Marvel Rivals has Marvel characters and has an interesting artstyle, as opposed to Generic Realism Filter #37. It's not everyone's favorite style, but I find it fun.
Fragpunk is another hero shooter aiming to come out, and while the artstyle and design isn't SUPER unique, the trailer at least hints that it's a hero shooter that incorporates multiple gameplay elements that shake things up. Will it be good? I dunno, maybe not...but I'm interested, which is enough to get me to want to at least try it. Something that I cannot say about Concord.
I want to point out that Firewalk had been working on this game before they were bought out. Whoever was the studio head and game director, decided on this project 8 years ago. All Sony did was, "Oh looks great, here's some money to be under our brand!"
Dimitri sitting there like he's the target audience 😂😂
Meanwhile Valve are making... yep you guessed it... a hero shooter and a bad looking one at that, I expected better from them. Such originality.
Concise summery with subtle music added. Great video guys
Just checked eBay, this failed game is a collectible now. You can get a piece of gaming history for over $100 now.