Alpha Dream Is Bankrupt. What Will Happen to Mario & Luigi?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2019
- It seems that Alpha Dream isn't able to turn a significant profit. What does this mean for the Mario & Luigi series?
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NOTE: I'm getting conflicting information, but it's true that companies can declare bankruptcy and still stay in business once their debts are resolved. Nearly all the info we're getting does seem to indicate that they can't stay in business under their current model though, so I'm not getting my hopes up just yet. It would be wonderful if Nintendo could bail them out or something.
Arlo why would they waste their money??
@@chrisnemat Because the Mario and Luigi series is extremely popular?
There's two types of bankruptcies there is chapter 11 which is the one where you refinance the company get a loan and you can stay in business then there's chapter 7 which is the one where they liquidate all their assets and lay everybody off
Is this literally the end of Mario RPG series?
Welp looks like the reason for paper mario no longer being an RPG because of Mario & luigi is now over BRING BACK PAPPER MAERIO ! or are we never getting another RPG mario game ever again ?
I still remember that interview
“Why don’t you return to Paper Mario’s RPG elements?”
“We have Mario and Luigi?”
......do we? DO WE?!
zZSkyNinjaZz I’m happy and sad at the moment
Maria is female Mario, I would appreciate a female Mario. Stand up @Nintendo
Paper *M a r i A*
zZSkyNinjaZz What Inteview is this? Do you have a link? :)
zZSkyNinjaZz 1. We might still do and 2. Even if we didn't, Paper Mario probably still wouldn't come back lmao
Unlike Fawful, I don't have fury because of this
I have sadness...
Christopher Moon I have sadness too that nobody gave you likes or replied to you
This truly is the mustard of our doom...
The sadness that I have is like a soggy bread full of flour that is miserable
The mario and luigi games are like our beef now we are lacking in beef and new m&l games we are both beefless and gameless
That line reminds me of Petra from Three Houses.
I just hope this doesn't end up like Mario Party.
Nintendo: "We'll just make it ourselves!"
> _introduces car_
Well, NDcude is to blame, but I understand your point XD
Although Mario Party’s drastic formula change was seemingly more in response of the constant critique the games had of being “rehashed versions of the last game with same exact formula just with aesthetic add ons”, hence why for instance Mario Party 5 exaggerated the randomness as well as overdoing the extra modes, and 6 and 7 used the Mic accessory as well as having each board with their own rules, it was a case of if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. It was an attempt to change the formula for the better, but backfired. Although I didn’t like the car either, as a main mode it sucked, but, they could’ve kept the Bowser vs Mario team from 10 though, that was a legit good way to use the car as it gives everyone a reason to be moving together and they’re meant to cooperate rather than choke each other while all chained together.
Hello that one guy who made the Wii tanks video! lol
At least they fixed the car problem with the most recent game. However, Super Mario Party has other problems of its own, most notably its lack of content.
Fun Fact: The Nintendo subsidiary that made the new Mario Party games, ND Cube, was created out of the former Hudson staff that made the original Mario Party games.
When I was younger I used to adore bowser’s inside story, and I had a lot of fun with dream team as well, so this definitely hurts.
Kurai Hikari BIS was literally my childhood. I swear I played it through 100 times. It’s so sad to hear they may be shutting down
Same. It was the perfect game for me. From the mesmerizing music to the tough boss battles to the awesome giant bowser battles the game had all elements of entertainment. You could even play bowser for crying out loud!
I am still a kid bit I Love mario and luigi, #safealphadream
SAME
Same
Rareware: "First time?"
Pls no. I don't want to see _Mario & Luigi: Nuts and Bolts_ ten or so years down the line
Super Mario and Luigi nuts and bolts
We have voice acting but it all voiced by troy baker
Now that's what I want
@@skirdus367 Alpha Dreams doesn't own the characters. You cannot buy the Mario IP at the same time as Alpha Dream because they literally don't own it. Microsoft didn't buy the Donkey Kong series nor its characters when they bought Rare.
deadass I was thinking about Rareware
Rareware didn’t go bankrupt though, they were just bought out by Microsoft
Somewhere on an elementary school playground some kid is talking about how Nintendo lost the rights to the characters Mario and Luigi
Ah yes Nintendo own characters Mario and Luigi are no longer there characters
Nicholas Stevenson I was speaking to the distortion and over simplification of news/facts that happens at that age and in that community
Elementary schooler probably won’t understand the specifics of a third party company who worked with a first party’s characters for an offshoot series going bankrupt, but they’re going to see a headline or a video title and want to talk to their friends about their misunderstood version and create gossip
I’m hoping at least one parent in each elementary school is part of the Nintendo community.
they are
@@dfquartzidn6151 I've only met 4 people who play on Nintendo. One is my friend. My parents also heard about Nintendo because I was working with my mom to get enough to buy a Nintendo Switch (now I'm buying games for it). The prices are also bigger in the country that I live in (BotW costs 5200 rubles = $81,22; Nintendo Switch costs 20000 rubles = $312,4). All the people I know (except for those 4) don't know about Nintendo / hate Nintendo for the prices.
Why doesnt Nintendo just buy them out?
Rare: 😑
That's the one possibility Arlo didn't address -- maybe this developer put too many eggs in the "we work for Nintendo what could go wrong?" basket -- maybe Nintendo said "these games dont make enough money, we arent going to fund another".
And they had nothing to fall back on?
Arlo keeps saying "why doesn't Nintendo bail them out or buy them?". Maybe Nintendo is the reason WHY they are goign out, and Nintendo genuinely doesn't want "Mario+Luigi" games going forward?
@@squidracerX yeah I agree I mean let's be honest Nintendo doesnt exactly advertise these games a whole lot, much less pay attention to them so I would say there interest has dwindled down over the years due to low sales leading to low interest in anything close to a buy out.
@GamingTV Joke. Nintendo ist stinking rich and they will only earn more money. xD
And also it seems that AlphaDream got paid for developing the Mario & Luigi games, which means it would have been completely irrelevant to them how much copies these games sold. It would be Nintendo's lost.
@GamingTV Got any proof backing up any of your speculation?
No you don't, Nintendo tried something innovative after the Wii U.
They didn't merge their handheld and console lines because of a lack of money.
The Nintendo Switch has been such a big success in comparison to the damage they took during the Wii U era.
Making a Hybrid console was always a logical step instead of 2 separate lines that demanded resources, money, development time ect.
@GamingTV "Nintendo is broke" Nice bait.
Remember how not long ago there was a story that they were hiring for HD game development. Perhaps that investment didn’t go well?
When was that?? Would you mind sending a link please??
I also saw that
That was for a new Mario&Luigi game. They were hoping to get it out by this past spring. Development costs said otherwise.
The franchise failed after dream team
Paper jam was extremely buggy it didn't sell too well because of that fact but then again FRIKING PAPER MARIO AND MARIO AND LUIGI IN ONE GAME
The title of this video is more heartbreaking than any of my past breakups.
Same.
I've never had a girlfriend!
LoekTheKing same 😔
This is my child crumbling in front of my eyes the second time it was Pikmin before
Hey. You're not alone. We have all been there at some time or another.
There are lots of game companies out there. Indie developers can be nice. We even have streaming services these days. You can try out a whole spread of games without really having to commit.
You'll find someone. Just be strong. Just. Be. Strong.
@@stevenpetrillo9527 noob.
Goodbye, Alpha Dream... :'(
R.I.P.
hey crispy wassup
There goes my dream of having a Mario and Luigi game on the Switch...
Yeah. It sucks. It really sucks. I would love an M&L series on an Switch. But that'll probably be impossible.
Yeah my dream too, the only game I wanted on switch but it could still be possible
That or a Paper Mario game. I want a Paper Mario game more.
trav v I would also love that too
Joseph Barnes yeah that is true it would be weird to convert it but superstar saga was on a single screen before , and Nintendo always pulls some weird curveball that works so who knows
I wanted something to not get leaked and to be surprised by a Nintendo related thing
But not like this.
Never like this.
@Navi That’s what happens when a game takes you under.
I loved this series and wanted a new entry to the switch that was different from the last one but I woke up and saw this trending on Twitter
0:06
Arlo: …or didn't read the title or thumbnail and just clicked on the video…
Me: *He's onto us.*
We've been caught red handed! 😨
"As you can see, I am totally loyal to my favorite youtuber, i click so fast, and you can trust me cuz i wrote a comment on his newest video to show how I am so loyal to my favorite youtuber."
I was just watching some relaxalax when a notification came up
"If you want story, go play Mario & Luigi"
Alpha Dream: No
just don't play mario games at all. why i stopped playing main mario games.
@@potatoking4227 you having fun with you FF7 remake? Im still waiting for alphadream to come back...
@@aymanaboufarise4346 i don't have a ps4 to play it on.
@@potatoking4227 oh ok
Hey Arlo, so two quick things to note:
When Hudson was acquired by Konami, Nintendo formed ND Cube comprised of former Hudson staff who worked on the Mario Party Games. It may be cheaper for Nintendo to build a new subsidiary from the ground up with Alpha Dream employees instead of paying off their debts
Two:
Alphadream has recently worked on a phone game, (I think in collaboration with Sony), and their ventures whether profitable or not are their responsibility.
I hope things work out either way.
Well the phone game was made with ForwardWorks, who have just made flops in the Mobile Market that launched Disgaea Mobile so badly they pulled it out in a few weeks and cost NIS so much they can't pay their workers.
@@ew275x Yeah ForwardWorks is SIE subsidiary, (Sony Interactive Entertainment), if I'm not mistaken. Hehe could this be a tactic Sony is using to crush it's competition ;P ....I'm joking but still it's kind of messed up if it's true that Sony had a hand in this mess.
@Ana Eliason Elia It's been over a year, I can't remember if the name was ever revealed... My God, it's been over a year since AlphaDream went under. :(
Correction about ND Cube: they were actually founded in 2000, long before Hudson went under. Also, Hudson was dissolved just one day before Mario Party 9's intial release, so it couldn't have been a factor in the decision to move development to ND Cube. That said, it’s true that a lot of former Hudson employees mvoed to ND Cube in 2010, which is probably why they were chosen to develop Mario Party games from that point on.
"If you want to play a Mario RPG, go play Mario&Luigi."
The silver lining.
I remember that interview made my blood boil for that one line alone, still does lol
I already have and I wish to continue.
I bet Nintendo is very happy now that Mario isn’t associated with being a pesky story-focused RPG.
@@plapin3538 Yeah, it might also be the reason we haven't gotten a very story heavy Pokemon game since the Black/White games.
It kinda makes sense now why they remade “Bowser’s Inside Story” instead of “Partners in Time”.
BIS was the best-selling game in the franchise, so remaking it was kind of their last effort to make money.
Nintendo should’ve really let them develop games outside of the M&L series like other 2nd Party Developers (HAL, Retro, Monolith, etc.).
Tristan Watts retro and monolith are first party tho.
GameFreak making Town makes a lot more sense now. They don't want to suffer the same fate
@@manguy01 GameFreak is no stranger to doing non-Pokemon titles, at least recent-ish-ly. Remember Harmoknight?
@@manguy01 Oh game freak makes bank off of Pokemon, never doubt that. They have just realized that they could put in the bare minimum effort wise and people will still buy the latest game.
What Nintendo SHOULDVE done was give them the funds to develop it for the switch. The game would’ve sold like hotcakes
Timeline -
11/17/2003: Superstar Saga
24 Months Later, 11/28/2005: Partners in Time
39 Months Later, 2/11/2009: Bowser's Inside Story
53 Months Later, 7/12/2013: Dream Team
29 Months Later, 12/3/2015: Paper Jam
22 Months Later, 10/5/2017: Superstar Saga Remake
*14 Months Later,* 12/27/2018: Bowser's Inside Story Remake
The desperation is clear.
sorry Partners in Time actually came out in 2006, also Bowser's Inside Story Remake came out in 2019 to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the game.
@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache Partners in Time released in late 2005 in North America and Japan, then 2006 everywhere else. The Bowser's Inside Story remade came out December 2018 in Japan, then January 2019 everywhere else. I've done my research.
@@LeafRazorStorm yeah just realized it, sorry my bad. I just remember a rumor back before Mario & Luigi 4 was thing, that it would be out by 2012, because each game released 3 years apart from eachother
Very clear indeed...unfortunately
@@LeafRazorStorm But you skewed the numbers in multiple places to change the way the timeline looked. You uses the international year earlier to make it seem longer between releases, then used the Japanese release of the Inside Story Remake to make it seem closer together at the end to drive home your poorly constructed point. A point that means basically nothing anyway as it was Nintendo that commissioned them for those timelines anyway.
Also, not giving dates does make a difference. December 27th is virtually as late into a year as you can get.
How would they, when they were tasked with 2 remakes on a dying console, set up to fail if you ask me.
Tasked makes it sound like they were given a job and had no choice. They're their own business and can manage their situation. It's not like the remakes cost them very much. They should have been paying people less, let staff go or worked on other projects.
Dying Console? The 3DS is one of the best selling handhelds in history and was still selling strongly even into the start of the Switch.
More parents were buying 3DS/2DS for their kids in 2017 than Switches.
@@lpsoldin3162 Maybe true. But bowser inside story remake sold as bad as the virtual boy, it's dying maybe already dead in terms of games whether you like it or not. = /
@@bluebomber875 That's not the point and I don't understand you adding melodrama to the end of your comment.
Arlo said that the 3DS was a dying console when it was still swinging it's hardest in 2017 when Superstar Saga released. The Switch was hitting it's stride but the 3DS wasn't slowing down at all yet. It wasn't until later into 2018 that sales started to die down, and the Switch started to really pick up in sales.
Both remakes sold poorly. I just highly doubt it had anything to do with them being on 3DS, Nintendo's largest, current install base at the time. There's still twice as many 3DS units out there as there are Switch units in 2019.
They made SuperStar Saga remake and it solds pretty well in 2017.
It's sad to see the current strongest going Mario RPG series go under. Rest in piece guys. You made the most memorable games.
Is there literally any other “current” Mario RPG series??? /r
@@crunchysalmons yes made by fans but nothing officail
He wasn’t talking about fan games.
We’ve got Paper Mario but we don’t know if they will make a new game for the switch.
StelerSteel paper Mario?
I'm more worried for the employees. Losing your job and livinghood, I imagine it must be pretty shocking for them, considering they worked so long under Nintendo
That happens everyday to thousands of people.
Sad but it happens
General Bismarck Yeah, i guess that having in your CV that you have worked for nintendo cant hurt you
At least they’ll have a good resumé under their belt. But let be real, it’s Japan.
Age discrimination is more rampant there than anywhere else, there’s a reason why young people stick with their employers for life. It is a stigma to be let go or change employers often.
Sad to see
@@afonso1816 Yeah, imagine having your CV filled with 8/10 to 10/10 games. Probably an easy sell to other companies - or atleast I hope.
I just wanted a remake for Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time 😭❤️
That was the only one I played, I was a kid(like 6). I remember it being oddly depressing
@@TheCocomunges let's have a Christmas themed town that has been completely and utterly destroyed while a slowed down jingle plays in the background 6 year olds would totally like that.
Vincent Lance exactly, I remember Mario and Luigi dying there. Also the huge fucking dinosaur that ate yoshis. And the disgusting egg thing inside of them. I remember the Desert having like a fight club. God, I love that game
Yoob freaked me out too. How they’re a colossal zombie factory with Dry Bones walking inside the thing’s fleshy corridors (implying that it’s already devoured quite a lot).
Then again, even as somebody who has a fascination for parasites, biological levels never fail to freak me out. I don’t know what it is.
I agree and relate with every one of these comments!
Challenge: Take a drink every time Arlo says "I don't know"
people would be TIPSY YEAH BOI!!!!
Hahaha
New Challenge. Take a Drink every time Arlo gets Hit in Battle.
I need to pee....
I know right? I feel there should have been a little more research on the topic.
This is genuinely one of the worst pieces of news I've heard. I love the Mario & Luigi series and I really hope they can sort things out.
This genuinely saddens me. This series was one of my favourite RPG series of all time, I loved every game in it. I will say though that businesses have come back from bankruptcy literal years after so there's a shred of hope, but this is still very saddening.
Same here, It's crazy that this happened to begin with it. It feels like a fever dream.
How is this your favorite rpg series?
@@liplaygames5591 Mario & Luigi: Fever Dream
superstar saga changed my life the first time i played it as a kid. still love it to this day
jakinator because he never played mother 2 and 3. no hate to m&l series tho. they're spectacular
EDIT: AlphaDream's website is down too. I doubt they'll be rescued.
To all the folks saying "Why didn't they remake BIS on Switch?": they did not have the money to create HD assets. Also, BIS uses touch screen and mic far, far too often for it to work on Switch. It wouldn't be the same game without them. They knew what they were doing; it just did not work out well.
I'm sad that another great spin-off series is biting the dust. This was very uncalled for. BIS is one of my favorite DS games and of all time (among the rather small collection I've played). I'll miss Yoko's OSTs the most.
There's no good argument for why it couldn't be on Switch other than Nintendo wanted it on 3DS. There are plenty of games on Switch without HD assets, including similar ports like The Alliance Alive HD. And the argument for it needing the touch screen and mic is just nonsense. This has been slung around for virtually EVERY Wii U game that people claimed wouldn't make it to Switch, like Captain Toad, Mario Maker, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, even Splatoon. And yet they always find a way. It wouldn't have even been a challenge. And they could easily have used the touch screen during portable mode like all the rest.
But the Nintendo Switch has touchscreen-
Deltath Riylaan Ninty wanted it on 3DS is the best argument, I agree actually. I keep forgetting that they had more plans for it.
Saw a few screens of the game you've mentioned; it has a way higher resolution than (most parts of) the 3DS M&L games. Had they released BIS on Switch, with this same artystyle and at full price, I'm convinced many would have complained. I wonder if their plans of HD dev could have worked if they had not spent any time on BIS 3DS.
Those games either had an easy solution (CTTT), or are widely considered to play worse without touch or a second screen (MM2, S2). Not to mention that MM2 still plays with touch and is the better way regardless. (I do not know enough about TMS to make an argument about it, sorry!) Also not all Wii U games can be ported. Where's that Pikmin 3 port? ;P
But when it comes to BIS, more than a matter of "can they adapt this?", for me the question is: "Would it feel like the same game?" You can't convince me that the Giant Bowser battles would feel the same on Switch (and no touch) as they do on DS or 3DS. I believe this is something that the devs valued during development.
Alfie Bocca Only in portable mode, and without a stylus unless you buy one separately. It's not as easy to use as the DS family's touch.
@@KoenigKraehe The Switch HAS touch controls though. That's a big part of the point. Nintendo often makes games that play better with one control scheme or another and then give the option for either. You can't use touch controls to make in Mario Maker 2 when it's docked but to say you can't use touch is silly. Most people just make levels undocked and use a finger or stylus. If Bowser's Inside Story didn't feel as nice with standard controls to some people, they could simply undock the Switch.
Alphadream hanging on the edge of a cliff: nintendo help me!
Nintendo: what else can we put on mobile? Hmm
*THE MOST UGLIEST OF CRYING, FLOODING THE PLANET IN TEARS* - "MY CHILDHOOD!!!!" - *CRIES HARDER*
What happens when bankrupcy is declared is that a company is put in curatele where an external party appointed by the debt holders and court looks into the best way to give the debt holders their money. Typically they begin this by looking for a buyer for the whole company. If that fails the studio is dismantled, building sold, tech sold, desks sold and so on. My money at the moment is on nintendo buying the whole studio and making them a first party team. Part of nintendo's mario family of teams.
I honestly hope they buy them off, Alphadream is like that one Uncle that you don’t see a lot but know they are really cool in the family
@@cookieblobber the uncle that brings 18+ games behind your mum's back
I dearly hope they at least would buy the company - it's getting really depressing at this point to watch these very people and companies that made so many fun and memorable takes on Marioverse disappear or change to worse before our eyes. Alphadream had to be one of the most inspiring to me in such context since revisiting Dream Team (despite it's subpar and sluggish pacing.)
I’ve lost countless hours of my life to these games RIP alpha dream
I STILL AM
hours playing these games were worth it. From Superstar Saga to Paper Jam
Bowsers inside story was the best
@@tylersmith5282 im playing Superstar saga to this day since a year ago
Saul Gone
"did the company go under because M&L wasnt making enough money?"
I think that whether or not this is true, Nintendo will look at it that way and act accordingly.
I might be in the minority here (but maybe not!). I never paid attention to Mario and Luigi because of Mario overload. I've got the mainline Mario games, Mario Party, Paper Mario, Mario Kart... At some point, I just don't want any more Mario.
@@ressljs M&L was arguably the best spinoff series during that era, so those games in their prime are certainly worth mentioning. However, M&L has been getting less and less popular, so I wouldnt bee too suprised if Nintendo retires the series.
@@Uchuma74 I have a feeling M+L is less popular these days because of the increasingly underwhelming entries in the series. Paper Jam was so dull, and Dream Team had some problems, even if it was enjoyable in a lot of ways.
@@TheRealTHD I agree. The last entry I enjoyed was Bowser's Inside Story (didn't play dream team). Such a shame :/
Uchuma considering that pmd is considered the best Pokémon spin off by most and it’s basically retired now I wouldn’t be surprised if mario and Luigi do
If I remember correctly, wasn’t the Bowser’s Inside Story 3DS remake like one of the worst selling Mario titles ever?
Yes, probably the killing blow.
Yeah. It was a mistake putting it on 3DS. It probably would have done better on Switch.
TheMindOfThomas Especially considering, like Arlo said, people could already play BiS on the 3DS.... sure it was a decade old but it was still a late DS-era game.
We still don't know how much it sold. The only numbers there are available are from launch sales in Japan only. It could be that the games themselves sold bad or sold good but they didn't know how to budget well and spend way more in development that they should've. Spend too much, earned too little.
jose ramiro reynoso ruiz it's possible but even outside Japan there's been rumblings that it was a failure. I wanted it but I have a switch, don't have a 3DS right now.
I think it’s less that Alphadream we’re making remakes on the 3DS just to do it, but rather because they were running out of funds and couldn’t afford to make a Switch-era M&L game. It lines up with the Bowser’s Inside Story remake cutting corners.
Scrungus McBungus - Yeah, the Bowser’s Inside Story remake definitely cut corners. The framerate was one of the big ones. Lots of little things, let alone minor glitches like the music cutting out in Dimble Wood after the carrot minigame, really show it was probably rushed.
Wait what corners were cut?
GamingWizard reply above you.
I wish that they’d make “new” Mario and Luigi games and not remakes of there old games
*cough* dream team (amazing game) *cough* --- then paper mario mixed with it and... i really dont know how good did it turn out, but they at least made those two games not so much time ago
@Gameboy224 Did the paper mario segments work? Considering sticker stars and all the followin games
Dream Team did better than the original Superstar Saga, solid decent sales. Paper Jam though, it did less than any of the four entries prior, it’s as if the Faux Cardboard Paper Mario curse was passed onto Mario & Luigi directly the moment diet Paper Mario entered their scene, from there on Mario & Luigi went downhill as well
They made 2 brand new games on the same system that they ported 2 games to...
What more do you want?
I’m pretty sure that dream team sold the best out of they’re games, but after dream team their sales on other ones like paper jam, and those crappy remakes with slightly changed graphics’s and gameplay were probably the reason is went bankrup.
Hot damn, this is actually depressing.
Sometimes bankruptcy is a strategy to avoid responsibilities while they get their business in order. So unless they close the company completely, we don't have to panic yet, I guess.
A J is that what happened to telltale because I heard it’s back up after being bankrupt
Panic? we need paper mario as a real game which we haven’t had in 12 years
@@Sephiyroth Color Splash? I know it's held back by a lot of the same things that made Sticker Star bad but it has waaay more character than Sticker Star and is probably the funniest Mario game I've ever played.
@@billybob6777 Another company resurrected Telltale after buying them. Telltale didn't plan for that to happen.
@@SpecterVonBaren Yeah the only things color splash did "bad" were unoriginal characters (almost all NPCs are toads) and the battle system (it's still the sticker star thing). But apart from that I feel like it did things better than the first two games. It's very underrated.
Bowser’s Inside Story was my childhood. So sad to see this happen.
And Super Star Saga was mine. Sad to see the company go.
Partners in Time was mine, more specifically a bootleg copy that crashed whenever I tried to save the game. Yes, I am seeing a therapist.
That was my fav too its sad...
Same.
Same. Easily the best M&L game.
“Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.”
― Dr. Seuss
Why would I smile about tons of people losing their jobs
@@magma1264 thank you
@@magma1264 your smiling about the experience you had with their games, of course it's sad a ton of people are going to lose their jobs.
@@IwillloveY4ever Your OP comment is entirely in reference and context to the fate of the Mario and Luigi series, which I could give zero fucks about right now, as Alpha Dream's situation is clearly the bigger issue here. That series can return at any time, but the same can't be said for the company that makes it
@@magma1264 Honestly, while that might be true and you don't care about the games, a lot of other people do, which is why i made that particular comment, to be a positive comment for gamers that grew up with it.
It always sucks when a good company that produces something files for bankruptcy, its something that cant be avoided sometimes, Nintendo should buy AD or hire the people that were let go (which was 46 in 2018) they're a big enough company to do this.
Partners in Time was my favorite :.(
I haven't been the biggest fan of the more recent games, but the Mario and Luigi series has some incredible titles that got me through some hard times.
Sad to see them go.
This is so sad. Literally this morning I was searching for theories on the next game etc... what a bummer.
I watched a TH-cam video for sequel ideas yesterday. :/
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This is really sad. Bowser's inside story was one of my favorite games growing up, even though I couldn't read, and Dream team was my most played game on 3DS (according to activity log). Fawful is one of the most entertaining villains in the Mario series. I really hope that this is not the end for alpha dream. Mario and Luigi never seemed like something that would just end so abruptly. Nintendo had better do something about this.
Mario & Luigi Bowser's inside story is one of my favorite games EVER! And to see this company go under is really saddening. The only thing I wish for now is a collection of the games to be sold on the switch so I can play these games again.
That won't happen lol
Random. U never know. Look at The World Ends With You.
Maybe a 3 collection with dream team inside story and superstar saga
@@200subsnovideoschallenge5 or just the entire trilogy simply ported, since the remake of superstar saga looks good and same for bowsers inside story and paper jam and dream team look great, the only that needs tweaking is partners in time
I think Nintendo should absorb as much of these guys because they're basically synonymous with the series at this point.
Floating Sunfish they should but it’s Nintendo seeing how they never do what makes sense I’m almost guessing they’ll just let them fail and dismantle
When a similar thing happened to Hudson soft the developers of Mario party Nintendo didn't give a fuck and let Konami buy them which is why we got all those crappy Mario party games for so long. And those guys had the Bomberman ip which made them way more desirable than alpha dream. Nintendo rarely buys other studios
They still own the series - they could easily take the writers, programmers, artists etc to help.
Frog God they could but you have to realize that Nintendo aren’t the risk takers they used to be and with a series that was going downhill it’s doubtful they will. I can see them reviving it in the future but I’d say it’s dead for now and as much as I love Mario and Luigi I would be ok with a bit of a break from the series come up with some fresh new ideas and focus on a real paper Mario sequel it’s time it’s been time.
marioandultrachap tbh paper Mario is the dead one. I doubt they’ll jump right in, but they often say it’s their main RPG Mario series. Even if they don’t use staff for a new m+l, they probably won’t pass up so much talent that they like.
Making those Remakes on 3DS while the 3DS was dying was a huge mistake.
HD probarly cost to much for them.
Luigi's Mansion 3ds sold pretty well and came out 2 months before.
It was simply too soon. BIS was already accessible on the same system.
Then again, it was their best-selling title, so maybe it was a last-ditch effort to save themselves?
I remember when I saw the Nintendo Direct in which it was announced, and even as a BIS sueprfan, it didn’t psych me up as much as I thought it would. It just felt sudden.
Maybe they made them on 3DS because they didn't have enough money to make a Switch title, so they made these remakes to try to make a profit, but well... it didn't work.
@@commendedzuez0944 It didnt sold well 😂
It pisses me off people are happy that Alphadream is dead so "pAPeR mAriO cAn Be GOoD aGaIn"
Well, Origami King came out sometime a year after the death of Alphadream, and Origami King had a more developed story than the 2 previous paper mario games
@@Scoottson24Theres no possible way they were able to develop the entire game within less then a year. It likely started early 2018
@@Scoottson24 Also I'm not saying that won't happen (although I do doubt it will) but I'm mad people are celebrating over a bankruptcy of a company.
@@lizard.y The M&L series was still on downfall at that time, i think?
@@lizard.y Also, i have never seen a person being happy about alphadream being in trouble
One thing that really hurt the games' sales was timing.
PiT realeased way too early in the DS' lifespan and the unconventional changes made it hard to swallow.
The remakes on the other hand were released WAY too late in the 3DS life and thus they suffered big time sales wise.
The only exception is PJ which was pretty ok with it's timing, but because it was clearly rushed, the game and sales suffered for it.
Arlo: *Hamtaro*
Me: *has a nostalgic moment*
Same 😅
I played a couple of the Hamtaro games, and after Arlo mentioned that I could REALLY see the similarities between them and M&L. Just the feel of them felt the same.
Ham hams unite!
1:28 I remember Hamtaro, and am still sad that the rest of the episodes - and the movies - never got translated.
5:09 Remember when Rare thought Nintendo was gonna buy them?
5:37 I recall in an interview that they said that it took them quite a while making Mario & Luigi Dream Team due to the 3D-esque Sprites they were creating. The sales to the two remakes also didn't do well, from what I heard... Maybe that's what helped caused it?
10:40 Losing Mario & Luigi would not be worth it to fix Paper Mario. (I still would like PM to go back to it's roots - even if I did enjoy Color Splash - but not at the cost of M&L)
All in all, not news I was expecting to hear. I do hope Mario & Luigi will survive, but who knows if it'll keep that wacky charm it has?
Mario and Luigi Dream Team was my favorite. Unfortunately, i wasn't able to finish the game besides my brother.
We would've happily bought these remakes if they were on switch instead of 3ds, Nintendo's support for the 3ds has literally put people out of a job now
Maybe they made them on 3DS because they didn't have enough money to make a Switch title, so they made these remakes to try to make a profit, but well... it didn't work.
@@GavinsBazaar313 No one would be asking for an hyper-realistic game from Alpha Dream.
If indie studios can make 2D games for the Switch, so could have Alpha Dream.
@@seacliff217 I'm not saying hyper realistic, but don't forget these remakes were cheaper to make because they already had the assets from Paper Jam and Dream Team. If they had made a Switch game like the 3DS models, people would complain that its them being lazy and not making new, modern and detailed models.
@@seacliff217 Plus Alpha already knows how the 3DS works, the Switch would involve them learning how to make it.
@@GavinsBazaar313 I have nothing to add to this conversation, just wanted to say that I thought I was dissociating for a moment when I read your replies
I'll suffer through whatever they do to Mario & Luigi so long as it's still Yoko Shimomura doing the soundtrack.
How u gonna have a soundtrack without the games lmao
Mario and Luigi kinda feels like a joke in the eyes of Nintendo right now. They remade Superstar Saga, but ESPECIALLY Bowsers Inside Story, just to pad out the 3ds’ lifespan. The BiS remake sold horribly.
I hope Alpha Dream just gets absorbed into Nintendo.
samgrace Yeah, I feel like M&L really hasn’t been on the top of its game since Bowser’s Inside Story; the 3DS entries felt really weak.
I think BIS sold poorly because of minimal marketing. I remember an announcement, but I never saw anything after that. And as a result, I completely forgot to pick it up.
@@AdeptArcanist dream team was okay, but the new game worlds always felt smaller. Dream team was able to pad it out with 2d dream levels, but it was really obvious with paper jam how small the game felt. Especially compared to partners in time since they had the past and present mechanics.
@@sanfordday I think it was because everyone who went "OH CRAP BOWSER'S INSIDE STORY" went "wait I can play it on the same system already, why?"
Then again, I don't think Atlus lost too much on making their entire DS lineup into 3DS remakes, be they Shin Megami Tensei spinoffs, Etrian Odyssey or Radiant Historia.
I'd totally buy the whole series if the prices on the eshop were reasonable.
superstar saga and partners in time are dirt cheap on the wii u eshop though
Are the type of guy who hates retail?
Dude buy them cheap used, 3ds games are so expensive on the eshop
Piracy is free :)
@@isaacr9503 its also illegal
Partners in time was one of my first games on the DS, I always hoped of a remake of that one :( RIP
The M&L series is one of my favourites games of all times... im geniunely worried now :(
Why? The games have only gotten worse with time, they didnt corrode as bad as paper Mario did but only the first game was really a showstopper. We would of gotten another ugly paint by numbers watercoloury art style switch game that would be extremely safe and redundant.
@@BloodSoakedGoat Gotten worse??? Why?
Dream team is my favourite of the 5 and even if Paper Jam wasn't "as good" as the others it was still a good game.
@Emyxam I totally agree with you, it is an amazing series...
@@emyxam6418 yep definitely amazing series Bowser's Inside Story was awesome to me I also love dream team as well and I did like paper as well honestly Partners in Time was kind of the low end for me for some reason
Tu877 “Only the first was a showstopper... extremely safe and redundant.”
So time travel and controlling the babies, working inside of Bowser and fighting as and with him, and going into a dream world to perform impossible attacks isn’t fresh, new, and ultimately because of that, not safe and instead adventurous? I can’t speak for Paper Jan as I never played it, but the first four at best were insane new ideas in the series and the gameplay only got better with each entry.
I somewhat blame the remakes they made on the 3DS, I remember reading that Bowsers Inside Story sold extremely poorly on the 3DS. Sales figure wise I dont remember the other AlphaDream games during the lifespan of the 3DS selling well as they did on the DS and GBA, this was a slow build up of underperformance.
They skipped Partners in Time remake which I think they should have not did, not alot of people played that game
@Not Yet Lol yeah I corrected the typo XD
@@thatonenegrofriend2212 I wonder why they did not remake that game, wasn't my favorite but I found the story cool!
@Not Yet lol naw, it had to be fixed
Not Yet it still says Browser on my end I tell yah what!
Some of my favorite games on Nintendo's handhelds have been M&L games, sad to see Alpha Dream go. I have hope that Nintendo will find a way to keep the series going.
Hopefully
They renewed the trademark earlier this year
@@TheAmazingRaptor Oh wow, that's good news.
Yeah, Nintendo now owns the series, so hopefully it will make a return. Let’s also hope that Nintendo doesn’t ruin it like they did with paper Mario and Mario party..
@@TheAmazingRaptor Nintendo is corrupt
Nintendo: "Well, looks like we're right! Our fans don't want story based Mario games with RPG elements. Don't worry, Nintendo fans, we're listening and we hear you loud and clear.
Nintendo Fans all over the Internet: th-cam.com/video/kKW2IxrOuh4/w-d-xo.html
Nintendo: "Yup, no more Mario RPGs. Loud. and. *Clear!*
I think Alphadream and Nintendo should’ve realized remaking Bowser’s inside story a game available via backwards compatibility was a bad investment
ESPECIALLY since it released the same day as Mario Bros U Deluxe
Agree. Should've sold the studio to Nintendo right here and then, but nooooooooooo, gotta be dumb businessmen🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ (nothing against the studio itself btw)
Kwayke I don’t think they were being dumb. Remakes are great and they probably thought it would sell well because the original game did. That didn’t turn out as expected mainly because it came out the same day NSMBDX came out.
This really bums me out. M&L are my favorite RPGs, and I don’t think anyone but Alphadream can capture what makes them so good.
I can understand them being in a financially difficult spot, with Paper Jam being poorly recieved, and with their last 2 games being remakes, but jeez, Nintendo couldn’t lend them a hand?
I guess that Partner’s in Time remake isn’t happening...
It’s somewhat hard to say when the later games were promoted as much as other random indie class games, Bowser’s Inside Story remake was barely showcased at all, there’s a chance Nintendo doesn’t want to make more of those games because the later three probably had not good sales and reception compared to average Mario games. The Bowser remake holds the record of one of the worst launch sales among Mario games, and I mean since the Virtual Boy days and Virtual Console obscure Mario games.
Pretty sure partners in time remake is dead at this point. But you never know...but il say something. If another paper mario game comes out it better be a remake of the original, cause paper marios gotten so horrible from the n64 to the wii u. And im not even gonna comment on paper jam.
Paper Mario Should Stay On Consoles tbh
Bro someone’s gotta make a spiritual successor to these games man. These games are too damn good to stop being made
Imagine a longer Mario and Luigi game with better graphics on a console like the Switch. Someone gotta do something fr
Vi & Kabbu: Trip to the neighbor's house
Marío and Luigi, the only game where Mario expresses emotion.
Origami King: "hello there"
@@Aleks-hp8pr I suppose they meant canon games.
@@peterdavids31 PM is canon too
@@annmimi_extraextra Not really, it's official but not canon.
@@peterdavids31 what makes you say that? Goomboss from SM64DS was originally from Paper Mario. Dry Dry Desert was originally from Paper Mario. Also Paper Jam *finger guns*
I almost wonder if the company already knew they wouldn't be able to survive having to restructure for Switch development and deliberately chose to go out on remakes of their two most beloved titles.
This makes me feel super depressed...
I played these games so much when i was younger and i still listen to the OSTs regularly...
Just.. fuck.. cant believe it..
Thanks for all the great games Alpha dream. I'll cherish them forever
Same. But I wasnt able to play them back in the day but I tried them in 2015 and I miss them
Gunned one does just not feel “depressed.”
The Bowser's Inside Story remake supposedly did under 10K units in the first week. I have never heard of a game with recognizable characters like Mario and Luigi doing that badly.
Thats the problem with these remakes, they try to bring something from the past back and fail, I don’t think that most of players already played the first version and thought the new one wasn’t worth it or what. Remakes never sell very well, especially on a already fading out console like the 3DS, perhaps people were more focused on the switch?
Super sad that one of my all time favorites is laid to rest...
Ugh, Arlo, I’m trying to sleep.
Same here!
@@MagicSpartan1992 ikr? It's midnight up here in cold ass Alaska
You must have been looking at your phone to get the notification, lul
Good thing it's 10:30 AM here in Croatia :P
Rock in 3:30am over here, could be sleepin but I gotta watch Arlo do his thang
Sadly, we may be entering a stretch like DK had when Rare left where the series is in limbo for a while.
But that was a good thing though, because the DKC games before DKC Returns were trash.
Dk has entered a new limbo for the past 6 years. The last time we had such a big gap between games was the arcade dk jr math and the first donkey kong country..
@@thegrayghost1786 Use some soap to wash out that shit taste of yours man
TheGrayGhost What kind of emotionally deficient being would refer to one of, if not the greatest platforming trilogy to grace the planet as trash?
TheGrayGhost you aren’t a human being
No! I was just thinking about when they’d make their next game a few days ago.
Maybe that’s why they remade BIS, they knew it would be their last game so they remade their favourite (rather than Partners in Time).
So sad...I would’ve loved to have seen a Partners in Time remake.
I just wish I could thank Alpha Dream for all of the super climatic boss fights, the amazing music, the amazing characters, the laughs, and childhood memories they gave me.
I was really exited for the new mario and luigi game this year and i found it supisous it was so quiet...but this really suprised me.
R.i.p alfha studios
You were a amazing studio and my childhood
I don’t think anyone should be happy or ‘glad’ (as you put it Arlo) to see a company file for bankruptcy so near to the holidays. People are losing their jobs which pay for them and their families to live. There is no upside to this. This whole situation is more important than ‘what happens to the Mario and Luigi RPG series?’ Even tho, that is a question that has to be asked, it just shouldn’t be the first thought to mind.
People lose their jobs all the time dude I’m sure they’ll have no problem finding new ones with the background that they made games for Nintendo one of the biggest video game companies of all time. Trust me it’s no big deal literally ANYONE will hire them. Mario and Luigi is an appropriate first question.
i don't think you realise how hard it is to get a job regardless of credentials. it's not a matter of "people lose them all the time', it's the matter of it's so close to the holidays and they all have families
ginger bob Funny thing is, this is Japan, there’s a good chance very few if any of the employees of Alphadream had families, just due to current social conditions in Japan. It is likely that some did, but most likely didn’t. This is not an American company.
ginger bob it’s not that close. Have you ever worked for a high profile company like Nintendo? More than likely not So your basing it on your experience. Trust me they’ll be fine I’m 100% sure of that not to mention how much these companies pay too.
@@gingerbob14 You know many companies want help during the busy times of the year because they need more people to help with the influx of customers... it isn't that hard if you use your head and look in the right spots.
It’s gonna be okay will get through this boys it’s okay as long as we stick together Mario and Luigi will keep there shine
Fortunately i still have my Bowser's inside story and the Shroom one. Unfortunately my 3DS broke....
I still play them but sadly there’s not going to be a new one :(
Nintendo could fully take over. That'd be pretty interesting
Say goodbye to any story and hello to all npcs being FUCKING. TOADS.
@@asra-5180 Not to mention new, ""original"" gimmicks for each game e.g. stickers for 'sticker star', colors for 'color splash' instead of, y'know, the game itself being unique.
@Not Yet unique = ideas and mechanics with good/great execution
gimmick = ideas and mechanics that have poor execution/just used in one way, over and over again (like the wii "waggle" for example)
@@asra-5180 .....They already did that with Paper Jam
As long as Miyamoto stays *far away* from developing the next M&L game like he did with Mario Odyssey, I think we should be ok. Seriously imagine if Miyamoto took over developing Odyssey & gave it the Sticker Star/Color Splash treatment by deciding to have all NPC be toads, have all the bosses be the koopalings only, have all enemies be enemies from the NSMB series, constantly pander on Mario 3 nostalgia & have Bowser turn giant for the millionth time.
The company that makes one of my favorite games of all time (Bowsers Inside Story) has filed for....BANKRUPTCY? Oh... That cut me deep. Ouch.
I really hope Nintendo can pitch in, or something. Anything.
oh no, i love their games...
Alphadream really brought these characters to life, sad to see them gone. Glad I got to play most of these games shortly after their release. Gonna miss these developers a lot.
It’s so upsetting that the best Mario RPG series is most likely over. I know the series slagged with a few unneeded titles towards the end but I was so hopping for a grand return on Switch.
Same. At least we'll have the old games to go back to when we want to laugh and have fun. It sucks though, that there's probably no M&L switch coming now.
I agree. First Paper Mario went downhill, now this. We may not see any more Mario RPGs in the future ;(
The thought of that is quite hard to bear; the Mario RPGs have always been some of my favorite games of all time.
This really sucks. I was hoping for a mario and Luigi on the switch. Nintendo isnt going to buy them out and help them make new games?
Maybe. No one knows
Doubtful when know Nintendo generally does what doesn’t make sense plus Nintendo’s not a big risk taker anymore I mean I could be wrong they are unpredictable but to me that would be the predictable thing to do
marioandultrachap >nintendos not a big risk taker
Have you heard of nintendos last 3 consoles?
@@colewilson7448 was the switch really a risk? a handheld/home console hybrid is an idea that i think appeals to most people. they switched up the formula for their new zelda but in a way that appeals to many people as well imo, and mario odyssey was a more ambitious version of the kind of 3d mario people had been begging for for decades
@@marioandultrachap yeah they do like to keep it simple sometimes. It's just strange to me that they would just hand over their biggest property to work on then not help when they see they arent doing too hot. Kinda bad parenting lol that shit better bot happen to retro studios though I tell ya whowhat
I've never played these games myself but watching this footage is really making me consider trying it
R.I.P. mario RPGs (paper mario is no longer an RPG) 😭
It's really sad that the M&L series could cease to exist because of this, but in a morbid silver lining this might be necessary to get a proper Paper Mario 3 for Switch.
No
It doesn't not mean that.
The death of M&L will not deter the current vision for the series that Nintendo has
JB An Epic Gamer right now it seems like they have no plan for Paper Mario, but they've said that part of the reason they don't really want Paper Mario to be a traditional RPG is because of Mario and Luigi, now maybe we can see them change that
*4
If you’re right that’s a sliver coat, nay silver cake layers. Multiple cake layers.
Hell no.
Killing one will never be justified for saving the other. Not in this case.
It's not AlphaDream fault, it's miyamoto fault for ruining Paper Mario.
Genuine sadness.
If M&L never comes back, I'm sure in the distant future some dedicated fans will create a passion project.
And then Nintendo will smash it all away, like they always do with fan passion projects.
Which is exactly why fans should be creating their own awesome IPs that are inspired by Nintendo's classics, like Bug Fables, instead of wasting their time and talent on fan games they'll never own.
@@davetheimpaler204 found the nintendo employee
@@JessieJamesPlays A Nintendo employee encouraging fans to create competing products in the gaming market?
Okay.
Man, Superstar Saga was one of my first and still one of my favorite Mario games. Sad to see that the team behind such a spectacular game is going under. A game that truly fits the 'Old but Gold' label.
Hell, I still remember the battle theme vividly despite not playing for over a decade. I remember that stupid giant Piranha Plant causing me so much trouble and the relief I felt when I finally beat it. Fawfuls constant laughter, the Bean Kingdom boss, my uncomfortable first encounter with Birdy, The sheer excitement I felt when I got the fireball/electricity powers for M/L, etc. etc. (The more I think about it, the more memories come up so lets stop here lol)
Point is, I loved this game and I felt that it loved me back. I think thats why its so ingrained in me. It gave me so many wonderful and awesome memories and moments that few games could match. I truly hope for the best for the AlphaDream team. And hope they can continue doing what they love, cause I certainly did.
Fawful was the only character I wanted in smash that hasn’t made it. Rip.
He can still technically get in
I have fury
Fawful was the only character I wanted to smash too. :(
It's not like this makes it less likely for the character to get in
I heard from SuperMarioT. It’s been a few rough years for Mario RPGs. I fear that I’ll never satisfy that Mario and Luigi itch ever again.
I believe they may have KNOWN their company was doomed for a while, and they sorta scrambled together those remakes as a last hurrah before going out
Maybe this is another "Ninten-NO!" moment? First switch controllers drifting(malfunctioning), then Sword and Shield endless controversy, then Switch Online, then Mario Kart Tour Lootbox Hell, and NOW the loose of Alpha Dream!
It's not Nintendo's fault and Alpha Dream isn't dead yet.
For all we know Nintendo is going to offer jobs to those people when they do finally go under. Which is better than bailing out a company that is already failing on it's own merit.
@@lpsoldin3162 One year later...
@@foty829 Waaaaaterrrr... Waaaaaaatterrrrrrrrrr...
We've been waiting for so looooong~.
Jokes aside, I haven't seen any news of what happened to Alpha Dream.
@@lpsoldin3162 According to the Super Mario Wiki, they closed up shop the same day they declared bankruptcy.
Unless something's announced soon, AlphaDream's gone.
Honestly... this makes so much sense. No wonder AlphaDream's latest two games were remakes cobbled together with reused assets, they've probably been on death's door for awhile now.
Dont forget everyones “favorite”, paper jam. That was probably a major nail in the coffin.
But they apparently were trying to get new hires last year -- it's a bit confusing.
@zjzr08
Yeah, whatever became of that I wonder?
depending on the issue that lead to this Nintendo may not want to buy them out. money management or time management issue can be hard to fix. the other issue the can cause problems is ego. some companies love the steady work but don't want to be stuck to a platform. i can think of 20 or 30 companies that deal mainly with Nintendo that have stated that they love their continued partnership with Nintendo but prefer the independent existence. shit look at grasshopper
RIP alpha dream. You made great games and gave me my favorite rpg (dream team). Hopefully Nintendo is going to do something with mario and Luigi this year or in the future.
They probably couldn't afford to make an HD remake for a Switch title. That's way more expensive than a 3DS title.
I'm... Devastated.. Bowser's inside story is my favorite Mario game ..... ever
And the writing in those games with super reminiscent of the super Mario adventures comic which I've always seen as the definitive versions of those...
This really breaks my heart .. if I'd known I probably would have bought into the remake sooner
11:13
I don't know how to have a great day knowing that one of my favorite Mario series could die :(
The straw that broke the camels back for them was bowser’s inside story which had embarrassing sales figures for a MARIO game
Jesus christ. The 2010s are the era of good things going away. I'm seeing great things die right in front of my eyes