How ONE Game DESTROYED The Nintendo 3DS- Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story/Bowser Jr's Journey
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2022
- The Nintendo 3DS was a larger success than most imagined it would be. In fact, Nintendo planned on supporting it even beyond the launch of the Nintendo Switch. But considering hype for the Nintendo 3DS was quite low after the launch of the Switch, many games such as the Luigi's Mansion remake as well as Metroid Samus Returns did not do so well. But they did not had much of an affect. The same can't be said for Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story/Bowser Jr's Journey. One of the WORST selling Mario games only above games like Mario Clash and eShop titles, this game caused AlphaDream to shut down as well as the Nintendo 3DS to end support. The story of this game is often talked about, but not often the game itself. So the question is, could it be a hidden gem?
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But damn it really seems like Nintendo wanted to get rid of AlphaDream
As If this was planed by them...
A company Like that isnt that stupid
Alpha Dream never made the transition into 3D games. They had other projects that fell through, including one by ForwardWorks. AD fell into debt and had to shutter. Nintendo didn't do anything
Nintendo only Cares about itself. All they care about is control and hurting those who are not as powerful as they are. It’s truly a waste of potential because there games are art.
@@zacharykenniston748 You guys need therapy. Why do u think Pokemon exists, why do u think Hal laboratory and Kirby exists, why do u think Bayonetta exists, why do u think let’s plays exist. Simple thinking should get u a different perspective on the matter.
@@chikobit3204 nah they only care about themselves, Nintendo be taking a lot of people's videos down for playing their games, or cutting off modders
Or people uploading music from the games getting their content taken down
Nintendo are control freaks
@@soilthestillborn4949 As if Nintendo is the only one doing that right? The Splatoon incident also doesn’t help. Why do u think we have these contents in the first place? It’s bcuz Nintendo allowed creators to make content all the way back in 1999 and other companies saw that. Why do u think games are this huge now? Nintendo definitely has a role bcuz they didn’t gatekeep other devs despite their patents so that games would grow as a whole. U guys refuse to see the positives, and only form ur opinion on information u see on the outer layer.
It’s sad that it didn’t sell well and what’s worse is that this game is a great game great music great visuals and just overall a great game
*_I KNOW..._* right...?! *_Dark_* Bowser is in it - enough said by me!
But whats the point when you could play the original on the same system.
There are some changes I liked like changing the setting of Peach's Castle and making it darker although the original has it's charm and Fawful has a boss theme but also it changes the title's menu into a worse one.
@@sonicthehedge I’m just sad that a good game did so poorly
its only good because the og is good
Perfect example of great game, bad marketing.
The truth is the game isn’t bad. Its bowsers inside story and everyone loves that game and the Bowser Junior side mode is a really nice addition. The problem is that the game was very unnecessary and it was the final nail in the coffin for alpha dream
Word
That game was ahead of our time regarding TLOU1 remastered again for the ps5 and then another remaster for HZD
I don't think it was unnecessary. It was given love into this remake, and AlphaDream was already in a bad state even before the BiS remake, also it was the first time I played Bowser Inside Story and I like this version alot more than the DS one.
@@gabeznl3591 well the 3ds was the first version of bowser inside story I played but I still preferred the original
@@gabeznl3591 It was a remake on a console that you could already play the game on. That’s the definition of unnecessary.
I’m not saying they didn’t put in any effort, but as someone who already owned the original, I couldn’t see any legitimate reason to buy it again.
That's not just an ending, that's a stab to the heart...
It wasn't an ending, it was just a conclusion.
@@superdajoka A very depressing and downer one at that...
Hey, guys, cheer up! At least we have Brothership coming up now! ✨
This wasn't ever about unleashing Demeech's Fury At Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr's minions.
It was all about unleashing it at New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe. Absolutely brilliant.
I haven't even opened up my copy of _New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe_ yet for the Nintendo Switch! If 'Demeech' destroys it, he owes me $80.00 CAD + 12% sales tax.
@@StevenVillman TOO LATE! Another guy in Canada already did that.
I got mine before anyone destroys it.
OG Bowser’s Inside Story was at its peak level. I still had mine to this day.
Is all time masterpiece
Same here
Same here. I still have my copy. It still works too.
@@videogamefan9637 why wouldnt it work?
@@sempre8135 Maybe because it's a very old copy? I used to have Animal Crossing Wild World back when I first bought the DS Lite many years ago. That copy no longer works and I took good care of the cartridge. Before you say it, I even put the cartridge in the original case whenever I stopped playing it.
There was certainly a precedent for this remake. The games after BiS (Dream Team and Paper Jam) did not sell nearly as well, so that motivated Alphadream to just remake their older games as a last resort. They probably decided to go with BiS rather than PiT because it was their most popular game, but unfortunately it flopped in sales for the reasons you stated in this video.
Considering Nintendo still has the IP for the M&L franchise, it could very well return in the future. Personally I'm very upset about Alphadream's bankruptcy, because the original reason given for Paper Mario's radical change was that Nintendo didn't want 2 different Mario JRPG franchises, but now we're left with none...
Hopefully Mario+Rabbids will fill the void.
Paper Mario change because another reasons
Oh boy, Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam.
Dream Team sell about 50% less but very good enough. Paper Jam bareky hit 1m by the end of the 3ds lifetime.
Don’t act like partners in time was better then dream team lmao that game is absolutely horrible
The way Demeech's fury was unleashed was the plot twist of the century
I don’t think any of us were expecting it to go like that.
Rip my ears
@@theghosttm8245 Use dollar store headphones next time
Glad it worked out 😁
"The 2ds was only 80$ and it came with Mario Kart 7. Now all we get are broken controllers for 80$"
-Demeech 2022
Part of me was worried you’d tear into this game with the teaser, but I think your target at Maximum Fury absolutely deserved it.
It absolutely did. That was the twist.
Fun fact: the last game Alphadream worked on was actually Mario And Sonic 2020 Olympic games.
Its final release was after they had gone bankrupt.
It didn't kill the 3ds, the 3ds was already dead, but it did bankrupt Alphadream
Didn't help matters
@@Demeech Yeah you're right
Exactly lmao by the time the bowsers inside story remake came out the 3ds was literally already dead 🤷♂️
@@Kbxbigbro808exactly
They said Link's Awakening on Switch was originally a 3DS title. But after Bowser's Inside Story, the plans changed to release Link's Awakening on Switch.
That could've been true, but it was revealed only a month after this game launched
that game dodged a nuke right there
That explain the miniature Link on this one.
I like how we got the remake of BIS on 3DS. At first, I thought it was dumb to remake this game for a console that can already play the original game on and the fact that there isn't any 3D (which I still really don't like or understand), but honestly... BIS is such a unique game in the sense that in basically needs to be on a DS to be what it is. If we received a Switch version, it wouldn't be the same.
Furthermore, it's nice to have a modern version of a game that is so beloved! It is so beautiful! This remake is probably going to be the last traditional styled Mario RPG game we will see for a good while, so I am glad we got this in the end over nothing!
Let me also say that the Bowser Jr. mode is extremely cool because it's the only time we have ever had Bowser Jr. become a main protagonist! Very fitting considering this is a Bowser game as well! They gave the koopalings a personality and purpose. The new story is just so great, and they made some major improvements from Bowser's Minions!
Sure, a PiT remake is more needed because that game could really be enhanced in so many ways. For instance, I feel like they didn’t do enough with the time travel idea and there weren’t many characters. Plus, some combat improvements would be appreciated, like BP and etc. Also, some more DS-like ideas would be cool too. Regardless. Since they weren’t changing much to the stories of BiS’s or SS’s remake, the BiS remake is probably a better route.
I feel like BiS is more of a direct sequel to SS, because both games feature Fawful, so I can see what they were trying to do there. It’s cool to have a connected story like that! We even see some references to Bowser’s Minion’s too! This was really a rare opportunity for AlphaDream to capitalize on! I wish we had more Mario RPGs that felt like telling a continuous story. The first three Paper Mario games felt connected!
Couldn't have been better except for a few things. Demeech has a point that the marketing and circumstances really harmed this game and the company in the end. Sure, it's partially Alpha Dream's fault for releasing this game at the end of the 3DS' life, but Nintendo made no effort to market it and only really harmed it and Alpha Dream simply wanted to end the 3DS off with a high note before they couldn't anymore.
In the end, it's sad what happened, but at least this is a great game, and I am so happy we got it and on 3DS too!
If it didn't have the damaging consequences, I wouldn't have minded it being on the 3DS so much. But I agree!
Fawful was also in PiT, he was just demoted to a shop merchant and I think the Shroobs were a hidden secret boss fight in BiS?
The loss of 3D in the later 3DS games like this one was really a huge loss. I think it really takes away a key characteristic of what makes 3DS games 3DS games. I know most games using the 3D at that point tuned it down a ton since the earlier 3DS days so the effect almost becomes unnoticeable after a while, but even a minimal 3D effect would've been really nice for the 3DS diehards who were also the most likely people to still be playing it that late into the lifecycle. I wonder if any hacks can get it working on the New 3DS, especially since it already dropped the frame rate in half. I'd trade 60fps for 3D, but not having either sucks (like most of the Pokemon 3DS games).
I feel for this game. It's unfortunate what happened to it and Alpha Dream. But considering it was the 4th Mario and Luigi game on the console, maybe they just burned out their audience and potential growth. Definitely mismanaged til the end, but they seem to have been truly passionate about this series they created
I'm not trying to say it is nintendos fault for not marketing it but the final 3DS games were probably in development either before the switch launched or very early into the switches life. Since it takes time to make a game. Warioware Gold, Kirby extra epic yarn and BiS didn't get like any marketing. I think Warioware Gold got the most marketing but then Nintendo probably realized that the 3DS was a lost cause and thay the Switch essentially rendered it useless.
I agree (you made an essay on Mario and Luigi, impressive)
I really dont like this remake but I gotta say, the story of bowser jr journey is the best story we got last decade from any mario rpg including dream team, it explores jr. and the koopalings characters in ways we had never seen before, and the way he goes through an arc to discover that he was dickhead to them is just so cool, we havnt had an arc like that in the mario rpgs for a while now
I know right! The story of Bowser Junior‘s journey is literally the best Mario story we’ve gotten since super paper Mario or at the very least in years and it sucks because barely anyone talks about it
Agreed
I mean, Sonic Spinball, Sonic CD, and Sonic Chaos released in North America on the same day. But those were actually marketed together. And the Genesis, Sega CD, and Game Gear were still relevant.
And those games (well, maybe except the Game Gear Sonic Spinball) were actually good. Not one of them was a soulless cashgrab.
I’ll be one to regard Mario & Luigi Bowser's Inside Story as one of the greatest RPGs of all time, and even though I have the original and still do prefer it more, I did pick up the remake and had a lot of fun with it thanks to there being enough small changes that add up to make them feeling like two different experiences. It’s such a brilliantly executed, absurd, and heartrich game that you can’t find any RPG quite like it. That’s what still makes the remake worth double dipping on in my opinion. Lightning can’t strike the same place twice, but this is about as close as it can.
I want to give a shout out to the overhauled gear system in the remake in particular. Mario & Luigi Bowser’s Inside Story is the series entry that introduced the three slot gear system which would allow customization beyond simple stat increases, and in the remake, the gear selection has been updated significantly with tons of new gear with even more perks and quirks that will have an impact remixing the combat gameplay more than in any other Mario & Luigi title. It’s something that seems small that ultimately goes a long way for how you experience each game differently.
On one hand, it is a bummer that the cards were dealt the way they were, since there were even talks about Alphadream expanding even further as a company at the time of this remake's release. On the other hand, if Alphadream had to eventually die one day, the one thing I would have wished for as an ultimate send off would have been a new way to experience Mario & Luigi Bowser’s Inside Story one more time, and that’s exactly what ended up happening.
You either die a hero or live long enough to be a Pokémon Company.
For the several top of the crop, innovative, passionate experiences that Alphadream was able to create, I consider that they went out as heroes. They knew how to redefine the structure of RPGs in order to adapt them into the modern era to make them enjoyable and respectable. That’s a feat that not many RPG developers today even manage to accomplish. - Noah
A game like this deserves fury for Nintendo itself, for basically putting it out to die, and actively trying to kill Alpha Dream.
how did they killed it when people did not want to support it at all? is more the case of the consumers part where it failed and tiny bit on nintendos part for not just buying alpha dream when they had the chance
At least it's finished.
@@Yoshizuyuner you do realize some were still buying 3ds games regardless of what the internet says
Alphadream themselves wanted to make it for 3DS because they have never made a game in HD and it was probably faster, easier and cheaper to release BiS on the 3DS. AlphaDrwam not being bought is like Rare. They're both a former shell of their glory and Nintendo didn't wanna buy a company that wouldn't really benefit them. Rare hasn't produced anything worthwhile as of late and Alphadream probably has the worst selling Mario game. I don't really see why it is Nintendos fault for not wanting to buy a developer who doesn't even have the skills to produce a game on switch.
@@Yoshizuyuner You say that like enough people knew it existed
I haven't played the remake, but I think I prefer the original's soundtrack over the remake. The background effects in Bowser's body do look nice though. The original game was actually my first RPG (I got it for Christmas one year and it took me a decade or so to actually beat it because, put simply, I couldn't get past the button mashing segments). I'm still going to hold the original in high regard, and I hope that some day an improvement/difficulty hack is released for it. If they announced a new Mario & Luigi, I'd be on it immediately. If not, I'd love to see the series get a spiritual successor in some form. Or, at the very least, put Fawful as a boss in the inevitable Mario & Sonic at the 2024 Paris Olympics.
Now THAT is quite the ending comment lol.
There is already a built-in difficulty mod in the original though: the challenge medal, which increases the HP of all bosses and enemies by 50% and doubles the damage they do (if I can remember correctly, it might have also been a 50% increase but I think it was double) whenever you have it equipped.
@@tessaPMpro I do recall the challenge medal now that you mention it; I should start another playthrough where I use it.
15:47 “This game gets the ranking of treasure.”
(Shows Bowser fighting treasure chest enemies)
That was intentional!
I did have some issues: the biggest one is they nerfed some of the special attacks. In the original, Magic Window could be used infinitely if you didn’t mess up. It was a late-game, “git gud” move. Now, you will get to keep going if you mess up, and will have a finishing move as well.
I didn’t like that aspect of it at first, but I think it was a good change in retrospect. It was a really broken attack in the original and if paired with the Falling Star, it rendered every boss pretty much null and void.
they made the star attack easy to use now though
@@Menacetosociety05 I mean it’s broken if you’re really really really really good at keeping up with the speed and timing of the attack (which I’m willing to bet most people wouldn’t be able to tbh lol, even as an young adult I can’t keep up at a certain point)
@@novustalks7525 It's exactly the same as the original
@@AkameGaKillfan777 it's not. Its way easier to use and you can actually build up the amount of stars in more time
No matter what anyone says, my son loved this game and is his most played 3ds/2ds game. He was 6 years old when this came out and 7 a month later. He had a New 2DS at this time and I got him all the late release remakes and it really made that part of his gaming childhood great. He loves all of those games. Luigi’s Mansion, Kirby’s Epic Yarn, Super Mario Maker 3ds, Bowser’s inside story and Super Star Saga remakes. They were his first experiences and I got joy watching him enjoy them so much and talk to me about them and show me things. I always remember that Bowser Jr.s Journey music because he played that part of it so much. He would fall asleep in the car and I would hear that music play from the driver seat. The New 2DS was perfect for him at that time. He didn’t need a Switch at that age nor would I want to hand a kid that young a piece of tech that expensive. I had the Switch and we would play that together. That New 2DS Xl was his system and those were his games. It made him feel he had an exclusive piece of the game room and his own little collection.
Actually the weirdest part is the fact it released like right after Christmas in Japan, like why not like even just a few days earlier if it was already a finished game by that point?
Luigi's Mansion was originally made with 3D in mind. Nintendo had planned a 3D screen for the GameCube, but decided not to release it as it would have been to expensive at retail. It getting ported to the 3DS was great imo.
The 3D function was superfluous at best, while a right control stick was a necessity
Nobody remembers Kirby's extra epic yarn.
I played the demo and could tell it was a good version on 3DS just not many people played wanted it since well people moved on to the switch at that point.
I do
what does that have tocdo?
I do, it was that game that was always on the eshop's front page
When was the last time you visited the 3DS eShop?
The first thing the 3DS eShop slams in you face is Kirby's Epic Yarn Extra.
Bowser Junior's Journey was honestly the best part of this remake. Main game giant battles were improved. Bosses like Junker and Dark Star were reasonable, Skippable tutorials, skippable minigames, Dark Star and Dark Fawful feel like unique bosses with their own unique theme, etc.. all of that was the good the game brought
The bad: No easy way for infinite beans, main boss theme still doesn't work when Bowser fights the boss, Dark Fawful still has that annoying as hell attack that failure to counter can nearly cause you to die, there isn't much of a challenge in the game, retry clocks are replaced by "try again with Easy Mode?", When going through the side story, Bowser Junior's Journey, it actually opens up a plothole that actually makes the Toads the villains. Had the Toads invited Bowser so they could have dealt with the disease, Both him and the bros could have worked to find a way to cure the Blorbs on both the Toads and Bowser's own minions.
you eliminate Fawful from being able to manipulate everything, Bowser's Castle and Peach's Castle is never taken over we take the Bowser Junior Journey's route where with Bowser Junior's Cure, he gives it to all the citizens in the entire kingdom. Fawful's Plan falls apart, he is unable to revive the Dark Star, and then there is no climatic Dark Bowser fight.
Someone clearly never did the Gauntlet
I think it rather destroyed the entire Mario & Luigi RGP franchise. Man, I miss this series so much...
For real it’s been so long since this series returned with a new installment
It can still come back you know, have some hope!
ITS COMING BACK LETS GO
@@sirmarcusplierthethird-sto5146YOUR HOPE WAS ANSWERED
Sad Story:
I lost almost all my classic DS games because Mom gave my DS to someone else.
It's because I couldn't find the remote to the TV.
Good thing one of them got a remake.
Me when emulation.
"And infamously eating the carrot"
Those who played it as a kid in 2009 will be getting ptsd flashbacks.
A remake of one of my all-time favorite games performing horribly. Can't believe Alphadream had to do themselves this dirty. My hope for the Mario and Luigi franchise is for Retro Studios to revive it after MP4.
Nintendo failed them
Even if AlphaDream no longer exists, the Mario & Luigi RPG series is never too far gone for a revival. I hope the aforementioned RPG series gets reassigned to another developer, like Retro Studios or Grezzo.
i know its a bit of a different situation but the ttyd remake should increase the chances
It sucks their wouldn't be anymore Mario and Luigi games. Those games really did flesh out the brother dynamic with really fun stories.
Who said there are not gonna be more mario and luigi games? Just because alphadream doesn’t exist anymore it doesn’t mean that the series is not dead, remember that nintendo still owns the series.
@@sirmarcusplierthethird-sto5146 Well, I did hear rumors of M&L games are getting ported to the Switch.
I love Morton in this game so much. That one scene genuinely almost made me cry. You know the one.
I can't believe there were 4 AAA in 2019 for the 3DS. That is ridiculous. Kirby's Exrra Epic Yarn, Bowser's Inside Story DX, Pokémon Crystal Virtual Console and Persona Q2.
I hate how the remake makes everything so much slower and sluggish…
What do you mean?
This video shows that Nintendo has become a true anime villain during these last few years.
So sad to see AlphaDream gone because BiS was my first JRPG and I have fond memories with it. Of course I copped this remake for old times sake. I was devastated when I heard the news in 2019 that it was the new worst selling Mario game, even more so when AlphaDream went bankrupt.
it’s back
@@gurenplqys I know, I saw the direct this week and I am so hyped. From the looks of the new gameplay footage from the trailer, I'd assume that Next Level Games and/or Good-Feel are working on it. Good-Feel worked on the giant battles on the 3DS giant battles and the new art style mirrors the look and feel of those giant battles. Would not surprise me if Good-Feel is involved. I wish the former AlphaDream employees the best and they are (probably) very happy to see that the Mario & Luigi IP still lives on, even after they declared bankruptcy and aren't working on it anymore.
Nintendo 🤝 Discovery
**RUNNING COMPANIES IN MERGERS**
For a maximum fury you would have thought he would at least drop the f bomb at least once
One thing i would change in the series, is an option to disable the battle start animation so you instantly get put in the battle, like holy frick the amount of times i felt pain while grinding the mobs because of the time it takes to even defeat an underleveled mob due to the animations and the time it takes for their turn to end is insane.
I honestly love the Mario and Luigi games. The games have made a big impact on my life. I honestly really hope that a new game in this series will come next year, since it’s the series 20th Anniversary. But then again with Alphadream no more, I honestly don’t feel confident that this will happen. Even if it did, would a new game not developed by Alphadream be as good as the ones already released?
This might just be my single least favorite business decision from Nintendo ever. Bowser's Inside Story is a game I hold very near and dear to me, it was my very first ds game and still what I consider to be my favorite Mario game, ds game, and possibly even RPG of all time. This game used the ds hardware perfectly and has visuals and a soundtrack which absolutely still stand the test of time. The fact that Nintendo absolutely destroyed Alphadream and anything this franchise had left is just heartbreaking. I never personally bought Bowser Jr's Journey like many others because of the fact that I could already play the original on the 3ds, and while I think this game is 100% made for the DS hardware, Mario and Luigi deserved support on the switch. Who at Nintendo thought this was a good idea? I really hope the Alphadream employees are doing better now.
E3 2009 is up there too
Nintendo didn't destroy anything. Alpha dream is an independent company
For real. I think if they made the remake for switch it would have sold way better. I mean lets be real by the time this game came out everyone was used to HD resolution and had no interest to play on a 3ds. Also the switchs motion controls and touchscreen would have been perfect to remake the mini games
I grew up with the original BIS, and this game released 5 days before my birthday. I didnt get it because I didnt have a 3ds at the time because my sister broke mine, but I have a 2ds now and I got the game and I enjoyed it alot!
also, I feel like the reason that this game wasn't remade on switch wasn't because of figuring out how 2 screens would work like I hear most people say, I feel like they struggled to make some touch screen controls (manly Bowser's special attacks) work in docked mode
Yeah, the mechanics in the Bowser's Inside Story remake wouldn't work well with the Nintendo Switch to begin with. Even if AlphaDream did manage to translate the mechanics to the Switch and release the remake on that system instead, it still wouldn't do them any good. Even if AlphaDream changed their minds and remade Partners in Time for both the 3DS and the Switch instead of Bowser's Inside Story, AlphaDream would still go bankrupt and shut down forever, regardless. AlphaDream's demise was just plain inevitable.
When I was 4 years old, I bought bowsers inside story + bowser jrs journey at the RELEASE DATE. I bought Mario deluxe when I was 6 or 7
the reason PiT didn't get remake and instead BIS was probably because at this point alphadream was already in debt and was basically in panic mode, so in a last ditch effort made a remake of their best selling game to try and stay afloat
That is true, since Alpha Dream was recovering from poor management and crunch time during the transition from the jump from the DS to the 3DS, but they accumulated a lot of debt even before the remake release in Japan on Dec 27, 2018.
Say have you watched Lizardy's video on AlphaDream's Bankrupts?
19:44 I see your point. I actually liked NSMBU Deluxe (on the Switch was the first time I could play it because I didn't have the Wii U) , but finding out now that it came out the same time as a fun-looking Mario RPG talked about all over the Internet, makes my feelings about the game change altogether. I agree, that seems like a scummy business practice. If you're going to release a game in your own franchise, or remake one, try to find a good release date so it's not overshadowed by other games.
Me too it’s so fun and replay able. I love the controls and worlds and Extra modes.
NSMBU isn't bad, but it isn't good either. NSMBUDX is even worse because it has forced easy modes and less content.
@@Demeech as a fan of the NSMB series, nsmbu is a good game and the switch port was okay and I didn’t have Wii U until now so yeah nsmbu is a good game but not the best Mario has to offer but still a good!
Although I prefer nslu!! But it’s just me
Demeech (as Zygarde 50% Form) transformed into his Complete Form!
Demeech (as Zygarde Complete Form) used Core Enforcer on New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe!
It's super effective!
New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe fainted!
Why Nintendo decided to release Super Star Saga DX and BIS DX on the 3Ds instead of the Switch will always be beyond me.
That's alpha dream that did not have the money to switch console
Demeech's Maximum Fury be like: **Constantly pressing the lower volume button**
I miss Alpha Dream
The Mario and Luigi games are amazing I wish we could get another on the Switch
guess what
Gotta give Demeech huge props for giving the game credit than just being an unnecessary game.
AntDude, take notes.
guess what they announced at the Nintendo direct
My take, AlphaDream was shoot from the Superstar Saga remake.
This isn't because of any one single factor, rather a combination. For me, and the few friends I have that have followed the Mario and Lugi RPG games since OG Superstar Saga unanimously agree that the art style change for Dream Team was, ehh.
Not a deal breaker, but a big step down. The colors felt washed when they used to be vibrant, many small little details on the sprites actually became more sparse, or just down right harder to notice, and overall it went from an RPG that just *popped* with a single screenshot, to just: "a DS RPG" which, between DS and 3DS is a label that is incredibly common.
I would later regret picking up the Paper Mario crossover and didn't really enjoy my time with it as managing 3 characters just felt kinda awkward and I never quite settled in to it, but I didn't think much of the game, was just thankful it wasn't to long. (Not a stellar opinion, but hey.)
Then the remakes. Oh God, now the artstyle became a problem. Every single cutscene just felt off. The cutscenes aren't always adjusted to account for the shift in angles that the new artstyle brings. I was reminded of this in the video here when I saw Bowser interacting with some Fawful's minion and I noticed how "overhead" it looked.
I ultimately didn't get the remake and just watched someone else play it, and lost all interest in Bowser's inside story as a result. If Nintendo was mis-marketing intentionally as some here in the comments, claim: then my wager is that Nintendo just cut their loses.
(My first big concern as I remember with the SSaga remakes was when I saw a trailer on a Direct, where the Koopa's lining up for Bowser's ship at the start of the game, and the one Koopa who has a unique sprite (different color), had lost it. It felt like a cashgrab from day one, and I tried to find signs that wasn't the case ever since, until I saw the news of the BInside remake. That's when I got jaded.)
The OG artstyle is classic, instant quality.
i definitely disagree with the visual presentation, game runs at 30 instead of 60 which is crazy since the original bowsers inside story runs at 60, and the art just lost the charm it had in the original, those sprites were so filled with life and expression, the remake they feel so much more generic and bland looking. Great video tho
If Demeech was in smash, he's final smash would be he's maximum fury
20:20 - you know... it all makes sense. The whole Peachette basically spawned the Bowsette memes, and because it was just just a port the Wii U titles [3d-world is sort of the same, but has online with its' main game], maybe if it had online multiplayer[if it does, I never played it], but unfortunately Nintendo wanted to show off Peachette, over a more developed character of Bowser Junior and the Koopalings.
Doesn't help that people who hate seeing the Koopalings hate the VERY games that actually give them a personality.
Mario and Luigi Paper Jam, and Paper Mario Color Splash to name a few. It's a shame Alphadream went out of business. Who knows, maybe Nintendo would... yeah no, they wouldn't revive the series. Nintendo rarely brings another series to have a new title. The Mother Series and F-Zero are stuck in Smash Bros Hell, I think Star Fox is in the same boat unless a new release is being made. Mario and Luigi is dead, and Pikmin was also in Smash Hell till the recent reveal of Pikman 4. So is it possible for a revival??? Maybe??? Yes??? No??? hard to say
Good news, now we just have to hope Brothership turns out good.
I for one understand why they bothered releasing Luigi’s Mansion on 3DS in 2018.
The original GameCube version was planned to be in 3D, so it only makes sense to realize that idea.
Still, having a 3D and HD version out at the same time could’ve worked. Similar to how they released BOTW on both Wii U and Switch.
When I heard that this video was gonna have Demeech’s Maximum Fury, I thought you were gonna rant this game, but to my surprise, you didn’t. You actually gave a positive review on this game, and unleashed Maximum Fury on NSMBDX instead. So in the end, I gave this video a like, and I’m still subscribed to you
My only experience is with the original currently, but after seeing people highlight some issues with the game (such as the framerate) I ultimately decided to skip on it. The added content was nice and added some depth to characters like Bowser's Army and his son, Bowser Jr. However, I ultimately agreed they the game really didn't need that. The OG was pretty modern already and I feel as if the mechanics were well defined and mastered by the time Dream Team came out. As a result, the game felt rather redundant to me. It's not bad, but I'm sad that we now have literally no other RPG Mario games other than a Rabbits Crossover because Nintendo basically killed most of them off.
3DS support would have ended either way. What's most offensive about this game is the timing it was released. The system was well on it's way out and basically any given model could be cracked for piracy.
It did poorly, but it did poorly due to the 3DS and not the other way around, because the 3DS was Nintendo's band-aid for almost a decade and they weren't going to just say "we're ending support" so a few throwaway remakes were perfect.
This video got more views then the game got sales, I bought the game but it’s a shame it flopped
10:14 Who’s gonna tell him?
In Japan, it was released in December 2018. The same month that Smash Ultimate released.
This is a cool remake, only issue is most people including me already had the original. Don't own this remake but my favorite change would probably be the after giant battle cutscenes. That train one tho, sheesh. Also prefer sprites for the characters (mainly Bowser) in the original but like backgrounds better in the remake.
You might wanna get it before the price skyrockets
@@Demeech I like this remake but I think you was way harsh man
When even Patrick Star can make better marketing decisions than a big-name, billion-dollar videogaming company.
All I have to say is that we need more playable Bowser.
This hurts Nintendo Why? You unleash a cool game on the same day as U deluxe? A game that’s worse then the original? That is so stupid! It’s such a cool game why did you treat it like this?
Imagine just causally playing NSMBUDX and some robot comes and destroys the game copy
I find it weird how Mawful Mole was the only Fawful themed enemy to get a major redesign in the remake, since the other Fawful themed enemies have consistent designs.
I saw your username and icon and want to say I have a plush of monty mole
@@bewearstar9462 Cool.
i really wish nintendo didn't screw over alphadream
i made so many memories with this series
I still don’t know how Nintendo thought this was a good idea to release this game on the 3DS, a basically dead console at the time.
this video genuinely makes this game seem like the gaming equivalent of treasure planet. it hurts, it hurts in the same way. :/
The Mario & Luigi remakes were AlphaDream's (failed) attempt to stay afloat, by remaking their best selling games (which is why they skipped Partners in Time).
AlphaDream was already in financial trouble.
If this isn't the most absolutely FURIOUS you've ever been in ANY video, I don't know what is. This was truly one of the most unnecessary remakes Nintendo has ever made, and the damage it did to AlphaDream, the 3DS, and the Mario & Luigi series as a whole cannot be overstated. This game absolutely BROKE the 3DS. Even a game as sordid as Sticker Star or Star Rush at least had some sort of lasting value, and I can't help but somehow feel that Nintendo deliberately released NSMBUDX on the same day just to sabotage AlphaDream and the 3DS.
Let's face it, their mistake was skipping over Partners in Time, and releasing it on the 3DS when they had the perfect opportunity to release it on the Switch, the 3DS platform was already at its peak yet they still did it and look what happen.
sucks because it clearly wasn't a soulless remake, they added a lot of small details and made a lot of the areas prettier, even if the art style itself is inferior imo (Fawful's Castle immediately comes to mind) along with the boss tracks for the Dark Star and Dark Fawful
Hahaha I was laughing so hard at 7:46!! 😂 You got yourself a new subscriber, Demeech!
Grrr, that gosh darn Sticker Star game…..such a step down!
I'll be TRASHING Sticker Star with Mr. Meatball soon!
@@Demeech I actually really loved sticker star as a kid (and was saddened once I found out that general internet hated it,) it was probably my most played game out of a bunch with way too many hours, and the only other paper mario game I’d played by that point was super (which is still awesome,)
so even from a biased-in-the-other-direction perspective, I remember that I got stuck several times and had to look up what to do, was baffled when I found out about where some of the large flashy stickers were hidden, and didn’t even end up completing it despite getting all the way to the end due to the difficulty spike…
Now that I try to look back with less nostalgia, yeah it probably sucked a bit lol.
The end of alphadream, we'll miss those fuckers.
Also, at this point, each type of Demeech's fury is a stage of Super Saiyan
I want a Mario & Luigi on switch. Too bad it'll never happen.
The 3D Bowser looked more like bowser than the sprite, also I prefer the bowser design from the DS version
Its so strange to me that people just expected or wanted phones to completely replace a completely different format in the DS and 3DS. Of course one can emulate the both of them on phones today, but it just doesn't work nearly as well as the real hardware
Such a shame how this game sold poorly only because no one gave a damn about the 3DS months before. The 3DS was amazing and the remake was still fun to play, with all on the small screen so charming. We might have had a Partner in Time remake too which surprisingly everyone asked after the 3DS' death... this is a weird story.
Thx for your coverage on this, maybe more people will play it, og or remake. Looking forward in the future if the new console (mix of switch and ds, why not) gonna have some Mario and Luigi games as well, I really enjoy these games.
I think they should have taken the same approach as Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker and Fire Emblem Warriors (which released for Switch and 3DS simultaneously), I was still using my 3DS a lot and so I was happy to see new titles still coming out. the console in 2019 since I didn't have the Switch.
But even I understand that the 3DS was a dying console and that game sales wouldn't be so good on it, the best strategy to support the few that still had the console and keep the game profitable was to launch both for 3DS and for Switch like the two examples I mentioned, so both audiences would be happy and the game would be profitable.
The 3Ds was dead by 2019
What really offed me was that the giant battles were designed exclusively for right-handers, whereas the original was designed exclusively for left-handers.
Dream Team HAD BOTH💀
Browser's Inside Story is one of my favourite games of all time. I didn't get the remake since I already have the original. It's really sad that alpha dream got killed off because of this. :(
Honestly quite confused we didn't get New Super Mario Bros. Switch.
Bowser's Inside Story hold a special place in the hearts of many, mine included. So the fact a remake of it was made so late in the 3DS' lifespan kinda surprised me.
Sure there's a few quality of life improvements. But the biggest downgrade was the removal of skill in the Bros. Attacks.
Just like the Superstar Saga remake, some Bros. Attacks were modified to only have a select number of inputs before the move ended which meant the Bros Attacks that thrived off of your skill of keeping a combo going were now the same as any other Bros. Attack and thus were nerfed heavily.
In the OG, Magic Window was on of the *extremely* broken attacks in-game as it was one of the few Bros. Attacks that were a test of skill and reflexes. Unlike some Bros. Attacks in Superstar Saga, Bros. Attacks like Magic Window never got weaker and thus if you could keep a good rhythm going and also used one of the Excellent! Badges paired with the Powerful Badge from time-to-time, you could potentially beat all of the bosses in The Gauntlet under the 35 turn limit with relative ease.
Then why is bis 3ds considered max fury if it’s not a bad game but rather the marketing?
Is for how much is unecesarry there a lot of factors behind it if it was launched to the switch or released before the 3DS' death it could have different reception as a whole
I’m going to be completely honest, I wasn’t expecting Demeech’s Fury being about this game’s marketing instead of the game itself like the others. If the Game Boy family comes to NSO, I sure hope Superstar Saga and the Hamtaro games come as well.
Hamtaro games suck .
welp im the from the future and our wish has been granted XD lets hope this means good things for the series eventually..
WarioWare Gold also released in 2017, but it feels like the exception relative to remakes and whatever USUM tried being. Even if Gold was full of remakes, it had its own charm and formally added voices to Warioware.
WarioWare Gold is a MASTERPIECE
Usum tried taking sales of the original to make it better which it did aside from the few contents of dlc it got
THIS SITUATION IS TRIGGERING "BUCA'S FURY"
You know what it is? They got cursed because they skipped Partners in Time, the best Mario and Luigi game
To be fair to the game, it's likely the game didn't cause the end of the 3ds, when the 3ds lasted a bit longer than the usual lifespan. I think regardless if the game performed or not, Nintendo wasn't going to keep the 3ds going much longer.
Something important to note too about the 3ds when it launched. 1. no good launch games. and 2. the 3ds was way too expensive for a lack of game at the time. The price cut was the best decision they did for that console.
the 3ds launched at 250 in 2011. that equivalent to 330ish in USD today. See what i mean?
if you're wondering what the metal slug 6 remix I mentioned in the chat is called, it's named "Steel Beast 6+7 Beets"
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I was devastated when this was the last game Alphadream made, especially considering what was going on behind the scenes with release windows of 2 vastly different levels of quality in remakes. Fuck New Supe Deluxe, praise be to peak Mario gameplay in BiS.
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First RareWare died, then Hudson Soft and now AlphaDream too?
I am so depressed 😑😞
I wish this came out on switch instead, at that point I was done with 3ds and wanted games for my switch
I think this was basically alphadream being unable to adapt to the switch, along with the awful release day. Unlike Gamefreak however, they didn't have a sales guaranteer like pokemon and weren't at least on the new system.
Alphadream held a knife to their neck and Nintendo drove it in and twisted it.
Every single Mario&Luigi game is good you just have to learn to appreciate them for what they are, yes even paper jam
Lol double upvote for shouting when ranting on Mario U Deluxe