Gurdjieff was a Sufi Master, so unique in His ways... every Mystic is unique but all match perfectly in the wider jig-saw-puzzle of mystical picture...
what the hell are you talking about exactly ? Was HE A SUFI MASTER ? how do you know or what that means ? He said in last days of his life his work would be destroyed how horrible to have this proven correct The suffering of his last days knowing this would occur a crucifixion I can only hope you never experience. GOD HELP US ALL
@@donnasherwood283 Why are so angry about a mere opinion. Is it the Sufi connection you don't want or ? Are you a student of gurdjief ? If yes you wouldn't have said that. Love always.
this is a personal matter to me sir. My first husband was G's last prominent and important male pupil in Fountainbleau up until his death in '49 prior to my own birth. He died in '76 unbelievably from the same condition which killed G. I have spent the better part of 45 years meditating on these events and the occurrences surrounding the death of G. who made several attempts to offset what he declared would be the "destruction of his life's work" announced at the last of his "idiot's lunches" not too long before he sickened to point of death. I believe his actions also indicated his wish my husband take his place. I am also acutely aware of G's disinterest rather opposition to becoming the desiccated object of a morbid curiosity about his own existence and where his work and original ideas arose from. He could not have been more clear in this regard refusing at all times to answer questions identifying their source. This would have been quite an easy matter had he wished. He used to chuckle I am told when asked if content of "all and everything" was true saying "some true some not; you decide". Meetings does not really identify one individual who can be accurately identified. what do people think this means ? G never identified himself as a "Sufi Master" nor should you. He may have absorbed the entirety of its teachings but clearly went beyond them. The only comment Clive made about this was G's comments on the Catholic Church retaining the purest of the esoteric teachings which provoked a great number of students to convert including JG Bennett. I see red when I read these types of remarks and I apologize for my obnoxious response. My connection to all of this is ONE DEGREE of Separation YOurs ? Clive saw G everyday for the last two years of his life and I believe knew and understood him quite well never once referring to him in these idioms. Clive had an interest in all the traditions of the East I recall his openly weeping at a performance of the Whirling Dervishes of Malevi understanding the potential of this ritual.
@@donnasherwood283 With all respect, I bow in reverence to your BEING. Donna Sherwood, you are my first contact with one so close to G. My respect, Say, the truth has come and the darkness dispelled leaving Light Upon Light. Thanks for the love.
It is known that he met the hidden sufi path borders to Russia. He was not born into this knowledge. He was ready and that hidden sufi path was there for him. I don’t know why people would have difficulty in accepting this. There are many true esoteric paths which goes beyond religious beliefs.
I have some friendly advice, take rumors and gossip very lightly, assume the best of people, take people for who they are and how they act in person. This helps avoid false drama and unnecessary suffering. I took this advice myself from the four agreements and just passing it on because it has done wanders in my personal life.
@@CrisHaasbro It wasn't a rumor. I often wondered why he struggled keeping his eyes open and his speech was slow and slurred. Then I saw a documentary. Looking at the timeline he wasn't like it before he met these people.
I love sweet Gurdjieff sooooooo much ! And his most famous "disciple" OSHO too ! All those searching in itself just proves an utterly problematic existence ! Just LIVING . . .enjoying . . . that´ts it REALLY ! Living thru the day. . . drifting tenderly . . . letting go . . . every single day . . . as the l a s t day on sweet planet earth my beloved friends ! Pure cristallized TAO . . . nothing else needed . . ."PEACE is ALL you should aim for !" (Raman Msaharshi)
“The Greeks and Romans, apart from a few, had a very low level of being……….” you say. I’m seventy and have studied and thought about the Work since being introduced to Gurdjieff in my mid teens. And several times each day I do his “exercise” which he called “The Entire Sensing of the Whole of Oneself”. He’s a great teacher no doubt. But I’ve come to realise that Heraclitus 500 BC was far greater. And his sayings preserved to us in “The Fragments” are some of the most exquisite ever uttered by man. How the earlier teachers can be more profound than the latter is hard to understand. That is until you read the brilliant essay by William Hazlitt (one of the greatest prose writers in the English language): “Why The Arts Are Not Progressive”.
The earliest teachers were the best/most teachable because we the people were united in simplicity. Entertainment and advertising lead us into a corporate dream that having is Better Than being?
I think it's safe to say that Heraclitus is the exception and not what Gurdjieff was talking about. When he makes a statement like this I believe that he is trying to get us to be less Eurocentric and more open to ideas from other ancient cultures. Gurdjieff is particularly hard on the Greeks because of Alexander the Great and everything that he destroyed during his conquests.
The earlier being more profound or advanced than the latter is difficult for many to understand due to the widespread imposition of the evolutionary concept on to, or in to, many areas/fields/subjects where it is not applicable nor does it belong, however, remove those blinders and undertake overarching examination of numerous different areas from philosophical thought, spiritual understanding through to such skills as construction and one is confronted by the self-evident revelation that the earlier is indeed more profound &/or advanced than the latter.
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 you bet Lisa ! Me myself I cure with Love AND also with EXTRAORDINARILY fine music/sound/frequencies (almost e x t r e m e sublime / aetherical) Imagine both together ! The sounds = done by VERY loving folks either - self evidently . . . "God" bless you !
I found the fourth way in Spanish and was the best thing ever happens to me. Tome las clases y un curso y me hizo comprender y sumergirme en mi Ser, de ahí se entrelazaron más caminos que jamás pensé que existieran. Conocí a más personas con habilidades increíbles y conocí la raza hiperbórea gracias a estas enseñanzas .
A.W. Schlegel also gave lectures in Berlin 1801-4 in which he equated "classical" with the poetry of pagan antiquity, and "Romantic" with modern progressive Christian poetry. In further lectures of 1808-9, he made the distinction between Romantic and classic as between organic and mechanical - of great importance to other thinkers, notably Coleridge who lectured on similar lines in England (1812-13).
"Better be the wrong man on the right company than vice versa, because the 'WRONG company could utterly destroy you!" (Osho) And now look how a mad and bad and sad "society" destroys every single individual to the core . . . (except "HIS" noble few selected)
Indeed brother! As a drunk, I took pride in being a godless sacrilegious non-believer. AA taught me that I was, in fact, an AGNOSTIC, meaning (in latin) that I simply KNEW NOTHING of ANY of the many spiritual paths. So, I chose to SEEK and as a result of ancient ceremonies involving the taking of a SACRAMENT which (again in latin) means a substance that brings my mind (ment) closer to the devine (sacred)! Now, as a grateful, joyous & free alcoholic, I have an unwavering certainty that a 'loving conscious entity' which I call my Gracious Omniscient Designer, deeply cares for me.
"May the blessings of God’s Love be upon you. You who have traveled far and yet have found yourselves at the very beginning of a new life. When one embarks on a spiritual quest, it is often beyond their scope to be able to perceive what it is in fact they are seeking except to say that ultimately it is union with the Divine, with their Creator, with love. In the case of my dear brother here, my spiritual grandson, he has only just become aware that he started life as a very exuberant, abundantly energized, physical child with a very curious mind with a deep desire in his soul to find the highest. And so in relation to what you were reading earlier from Judas, in this one’s life, his growth went from a very physical being to an intellectual being to befriending his soul. Prayer and music played a large part in this as it does with many. But he sought manifestations. He wanted experiences that he did not find in the church he grew up with. He did not know that he wanted to experience God’s Love but he knew there must be something higher than this and so he read about me and my teachings and my interactions with students, and my constantly reminding them that the world was in a deep sleep and that humanity must awaken and that the conventional beliefs of who Jesus was, who he is, fell far short from the truth and were in fact mostly in error. I myself traveled to many lands, had many teachers, sought out the ancient and the eternal, and came to a place of spiritual awakening and a consciousness of the treasures of prayer. Constantly I sought guidance, and constantly I received it. And so I wish to touch on this subject of manifestations and spiritual experiences. "The desire of one to be changed, to be enlightened, to be free, to be love is at the core of all seeking that is spiritual in nature. You may be aware that teachers have often used certain substances or chemicals to shock their students into a state of awareness of their mortality and hopefully an insight into immortality. This also can happen to one who has experienced deep trauma or loss in their lives. But to those who linger in sleep and find spiritual life to be no more than another entertainment or amusement, a teacher will often go to extreme lengths to awaken the somnambulant student so that one might begin to see. I am not in any way recommending that you all go out and try some drug or another or put each other’s lives in peril, but I am saying that those who seek out manifestations are really looking for an ultimate connection with their Creator. All of these experiences, all these manifestations, whether they be the opening of the third eye with spiritual visions, or the perception of lights, spirit visitations, kundalini energies, and so forth are not to be equated with the experience of praying for and receiving the love of your Creator. They may lead to that place of true soul longings and it is always our great hope that this is so, but do not mistake the road for the destination. "And you, my dear ones, who have chosen this road on the highest path, I encourage you to make your day a prayer, make your journey a prayer. Talk to God and find a small, still place where you can hear His answer and feel His great love for you. I’m very pleased that I was able to deliver this message and I hope it will reach many and I thank you with all the gratitude of a grateful grandfather and one who is a transformed soul in the Heavenly Father’s Kingdom. May you all go with the grace of God and know I am here for you should you call. I am your brother and friend, I am Papa George, George Gurdjieff, God bless you, God bless you." Received Sept. 28, 2021, soultruth.ca
amazing documentary! the complaints about the piano soundtrack overpowering the narration reminds me of a Gurdjieff story I once heard. an early pupil of Gurdjieff, A.R. Orage moved to the Institute in Fontainebleau and was instructed to dig in the garden. after a few hours he grew tired and frustrated with the manual labour and began to feel he had made a terrible mistake in coming to the institute. he continued digging however and shortly he noticed the drudgery was lessening and soon he was actually enjoying himself. Gurdjeiff would have said that the “work” had the result of freeing him from the machine and allowing him to glimpse our complete human potential. so...if the music is too loud, consider instead how much more focused you have to be to hear the message!
that's beautiful. at the beginning I was actually annoyed by the music, but throughout the video I knew I wanted to suck up every bit of information I could at the moment. Needed to have full attention to my breathing and to the narration itself (with subtitles as aid), but by the end of the video I completely loved the music in the back haha
The end of your comment reminded me of the beginning of Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous" where he describes his early meetings and conversations with Gurdjieff and how they often took place in loud bars, restaurants and similar crowded public places. How he had difficulties understanding most of the conversation sometimes. I think in the same chapter an anecdote is mentioned where someone suggests to Gurdjieff that he could do his writing work in a quiet and peaceful garden but he declines and instead chooses a bar with very drunk and noisy sailors (or soldiers i don't remember)…
I am learning from your teachers, my friends, I am learning about the possibilities for life, these potentials that had not been discovered by myself while on Earth. Though I had many gifts, and I touched many with my gifts, but there is always more, my friends, more to know, to experience in this vast journey of life. Though I have not entered into the Celestial Spheres, I do recognize that this is the goal. My soul yearns for the gift of Love that comes from the Creator of all, and I am pursuing the journey with the fervency of my soul seeking truth. Truth never ends. Truth never ends. I continue to awaken and accept that God will give all. It is just a matter of the application, effort, time, so that all may be absorbed, expressed, in truth and light. I now recognize the power of love that is the true passion of the soul. I will continue to seek the transformative powers of Love that comes from the Creator, and I will return and speak of my journeys, my understandings of these things... Thank you. I am Osho Bhagwan. Bless you my friends, and goodnight. Feb. 12, 2019 new-birth.net
A real WAKE UP call for me !!! i use a method that works well for me put alarm and snooze every 5-10 min to realise where my attention has gone and return to the breath or body
At least a experiment to be played with sometimes in a while to live more aware , but your comment is for sure not going to make anyone more aware or benefit in anyway thats a obvious thing but thanks hahaha :D
Or we could all ride bicycles, usually when one is going uphill .... ones attention has very little choice but to be undivided, totally focused on completion of the simple task of getting oneself from point A to point B. Enough repetition will ground oneself permanently , the conjoniment of pain and pleasure is the path to enlightenment. But the automobile is so much easier! we are doomed to loving our childish bickering self important ways.
@Dima Vasilev maybe, but Alan Watts is a better prism through which to view these types of reflections and insights. And Alan has a wonderful, wry sense of humour. Thank goodness someone recorded his lectures, they are on youtube.
Hi Amber, I was also obsessed with Cayce, the "Sleeping Prophet". He was a man of character and some of the spirits he channeled we're extremely knowledgeable--with medical cures especially. It turns out, though, that he didn't discover the Divine Love (At-oneness with God) message that Gurdjieff has discovered, and therefore, many of Cayce's channelers were not teaching absolute truth--especially regarding the existence of reincarnation. Blessings!
I have a neuroscientist friend, who believes that, not only is free will an illusion, but so is consciousness. I tend to think of the "I" as like a car with passengers all taking turns to be the driver. Often the 'I's fight to drive as the car moves. Even if the 'system' failed, Gurdjieff left a valuable legacy that maybe can be refined with our new knowledge of the brain and the Universe. He did the best he could at the time and should always be remembered and respected for that.
"I" anchored in a group of 2oo or so cells, may be the metalanguage integrator of different brain functions. it recognizes itself across changing architectures across aging, injury, and growth.
The "I"s are still illusions. But consciousness is not an illusion. If consciousness were an illusion, what would it be an illusion "of"? Consciousness is the one things that is self evident. Unfortunately, the ego and your free will disappear upon examination. That makes for some confusion understanding but trust me, you can eventually reconcile the too truths.
Only noble few people actually know that Gurjieff is the s e c r e t teacher of the indian mystic and ZEN-master OSHO ! So if you want to know how the brillant ideas of Gurdjieff have been progressively continued I h e a v i l y recommend a closer look at OSHO !!! There are so many brillant books and videos (still) of him available . . .
30:24 Thank you. A very interesting digest. (A contemporary life parallel to that of Gurdieff and which was of an almost purely ratiocinnative character was that of Richard Buckminster Fuller whose practice I hear was to force recollection of his work and intentions periodically (every 20 mins? - dunno). His bag was to provide a geometry appropriate equally to electricity and to crystallography - a single geometry which was applicable to both equally. In relation to Gurdieff and the mechanics of conscious choice one thing from Fuller seems useful to know: just as the central ball in the ‘Dee’ of a snooker ball set up is surrounded by six other balls each of which touch each other once and the central ball once - so that surroundment figure is doubled to twelve in 3D - three nesting above and three nesting below. The considerable may be either/or on the moment but that is within a general context of altering position in one of twelve directions - just saying.)
People ask me who is my teacher?..who solved me?..and I point towards Mr.G. According to me too .. he is one of the very few 'wise' men ever born...my father of 'God'liness..
"Let us suppose that each of us living creatures is an ingenious puppet of the Gods!" Plato For the origin of the enneagram, see S. Karppe's French book on the Zohar, as mentioned in the footnote in "In Search of the Miraculous" also the diagram of the tetragram in "Isis Unveiled" by Madame Blavatsky.
Is the music deliberately forcing us to concentrate or should I say teaching us to focus .Thought you were going a bit of track with the biology lesson , but it all came together in the end. All the best to you.
Found the music distracting so I tried to create a version with the background music "reduced".. perhaps it helps: th-cam.com/video/Jy0oHMCAWSc/w-d-xo.html I hope this doesn't create any copyright issues. I take no credit and refer to this video.
I love to daydream, I dream the loveliest of things! Swimming cats, stunning lands, dead loved ones surrounding me, my dog inside me as well as being worn as a fur stole! They come back to life and play with me in my magical land. Sometimes I just go there alone. It is extraordinary. It helps me play and be calm and kind when I come back to reality. I find these teachings somewhat austere. Am I missing something crucial here? I was a Hare Krsna before I became a mother and LOVED it. I'll go back to the ashram once I've raised my child, but I don't want ''enlightenment'' anymore. I feel like it's just an idea! Ramana Maharshi and meditation taught me that. I would love someone to challenge me or perhaps, better put, teach me what I've missed here or point me in the right direction b/c I feel I've perhaps missed something as he said dreaming./daydreaming is not as good as being immediately present. Thankyou kind person who answers. (& beautiful piano, btw. I really loved it xx)
Of course it's impossible to know what stages you have experienced in your life. But I'll try to map it for you. So you can examine for yourself. Think of it as evolution of consciousness. The thing your are trying to experience is not really higher consciousness you are trying to experience the older lower consciousness. But as usual the direction is deliberately wrong. The newest is thought. But we have learnt that thought can create a consciousness that only experiences thought and only thought. Which is upon examination actually an illness. This is simply put ones domestication. They who belong to the physical walls. That we hide behind in our buildings. This safely allows us to just exist in our imagination. 2nd stage. Is no thought or concentrated thought. Which allows you to experience the observer of thoughts . 3rd stage is the person who observes the observer. This stage is like a person who sees stage 1 and 2 but also is a conduit to stage 4. It's the person who self releases the drugs in your mind . Stage 4 is the person who experiences the effects of the self release of the drugs. Which is the enlightenment you speak of. Of course each different stage can be called enlightenment. But the oldest and most intune with the rest of all consciousness in all living things.is the flooding of the brain with self released drugs. This brings you to closest to eternity
@Eric Jgable I read it . As. she was told things will happen when you become enlightenment. But she seems to have not experienced that. So therefore believe it's a myth. But MRI scans now prove that the brainwaves are permanently changed once a certain level of the 2nd network has been risen. Gamma waves are no longer a very temporary occurance. They become a permanent occurance. The MRI scans have proven that you become a different human from the majority of humans . Lots of highly religious spiritual organisations. Have lost the ability to coach you in regards to the raising the 2nd network.so all their words mean nothing Which is where I come in.
Everyone is on a different point on the path. Sometimes different paths. It's up to you to find your own way just like the rest of us. No one can do the work for you.
He died in 1949 so what did the narrator mean@3:58 when saying back in 1963 my predecessor a man called Harold gave a similar talk to the one I am giving now?
Ed your voice is familia. Are you the guy that ran a Gurdjieff reading group in Lee's conservative club on a Sunday evening about four or five years ago? Alan Lock
19:12 Radical! Cerebral functioning is 8-partite! Did not know that!🎉 19:12 Radical! Cerebral functioning is 8-partite! Did not know that!🎉 Btw - does Gurdieff anywhere touch upon the uses/activity of the Pineal gland?
This time has been perfectly coordinated in the heavens for you to engage in love. And when you are confronted with that which is not loving, continue to broadcast love, continue to speak in truth, continue to act in kindness. For you cannot rage against the darkness but you can embrace all in the light. This is called an outward sign of God's grace. You who walk this path in the love of God and all of us who accompany you, support you, influence you on your journey, we will not allow failure, because love, the love of God is the very essence of Creation. Being out of harmony is only a moment's distraction. It is only the material mind influencing the actions. So I encourage you to pray, to act from your soul in love, to change the world. Not only as a disciple of the master, but as a beloved child of God. What else could I wish for you. May you go in God's grace today and bless all. I am your brother and friend in the Celestial Kingdom of God's love. I am George Gurdjieff. October 12, 2020. soultruth.ca
Beautifully Done. According to Gurdjieff, related by Margret Anderson, there are Three ways to convince people of the veracity of Truth. 1. The Sublime 2. Example . 3. Magnetic Center Which One Are You Interested In?
Animals are not that simple. Dogs do not automatically 'love' in response to 'love'. With respect that's a greatly over simplified fallacy, and one of over-idealistic anthopomorphisation. An genetically aggressive dog will not automatically 'love' at the drop of a hat because a human decides to 'show it love' - the world is not that simple.
@@uelude I agree. I have trained dogs. A dog MUST use its senses , the same with humans, (sight,smell,hearing) when it decides to "love". Humans do the same, undetectable smells attract and repell humans from one another. Some dogs dont want to be near a human even If there is a steak in your pocket while trying to convince a dog to come near you to check its collar tags
@@MF-111 I apologize if I was brash but I wanted to make a point. Teachings are very important in spiritual life. Don't settle for just a little bit of Truth.
@@patr70 No worries, true it is important, what I meant is that seeking is a form of postponing finding, Gurdjiff gave his disciples task/methods to be in the current moment or to be in the "now", when you go through that, you'll realize that you were always here, because thinking about the future or remembering the past is a mental activity that happens only in the present, so he made the fourth way (Slyman) in comparison with the way of the Yogi, Monk and faqeer (Sufism). Thats why zen is called the sudden school, it's to be awakened without any announcement, satori is a sudden awakening, so if you ask for enlightenment, you define yourself lacking it.
pretty funny, coming from people interested in this subject... cant focus with some nice piano playing, might not be ready for Gurdjieff... just sayin. no offense.
How do you feel about what some refer to as his final thoughts, "I leave you all in a fine mess." Also his most famous student, Ouspensky saying, "there is no system." My biggest problem with 'the work' is it never teaches you to rely on oneself. Only constantly question your machine like nature, and relying on your teacher to to tell you if you are awake or not. It only teaches you to rely on others for truth about yourself.
After 34 years of being very close to Gurdjieff's ideas, and even at one time several of his pupils, I find it very odd you should describe your "biggest problem" as you do. I find my "biggest problem" with the work is that it has shown me there is precious little other than myself that I can rely on. Best wishes.
As long as you continue to rely on a teacher to give you the answers you're seeking, it just means you haven't yet understood the teaching. If you have to ask the teacher whether or not you understand their teaching, the answer will always be "no."
No doubt he was enlightened and great but greatest of last century ,m sorry ,we cant claim that ,there were many ,his contribution could not reach to masses
The way of the Fakir - Mastery of the body. Posture, Asana The Way of the Monk - Mastery of the Emotions - devotion, prayer, etc. The Way of the Yogi - Mastery of the Intellect - Mental exercises, Buddhism, Zen, etc. Gurdjieff posited that each of these schools, in their traditional methodologies, generally required isolation from the world; worse, they resulted in an unbalanced man. The Fourth Way (sometimes referred to as 'The Way of the Sly Man') does not require a withdrawal from everyday life; rather it takes place in the currents of everyday living. Moreover, by working on all sides of man's nature, a Fourth Way school offers the potential for a balanced crystallization - a harmonious interrelationship of body, emotion and intellect, thus allowing further development (which I will not speak of here) in a more effective manner.
I greatly appreciate your intentions to impart some of GI Gurjieff's teachings - he was truly a man of great insight and wisdom. However, at times I found your accent and cadences difficult to follow, which difficulty was compounded by the loudness of the music, pleasant of melody as it is.
You are SOOOOO wise ! Search itself just proves utterly problematic existence ! Just LIVING . . .enjoying . . . that´ts it REALLY ! Living thru the day. . . drifting tenderly . . . letting go . . . as the last day on earth ! Purte cristallized TAO . . . nothing else needed . . .
That background music is spoiling such a beautiful talk on a wonderful subject - just annoying - is there anyway of posting a second version of this without the music please - really appreciate it and thank you 🙏
For those complaining about the background music, you have to understand that one of main teachings of Gurdjieff is cultivating the ability to divide one’s attention. For instance, he would have his pupils, as an exercise, dig a ditch while focusing one’s attention on the sensation of one’s left foot. It sounds rather odd, but the idea is expanding one’s awareness to break the natural course of things of living on autopilot. Can you go even a minute without associative thinking? Try it, come to a state of total awareness of one’s bodily sensation, environmental surroundings, as well as one’s emotional and mental state, in other words one’s total conscious awareness. This is called self remembering in the Gurdjieff work. Whilst in this state, one’s tries to maintain it without spacing out and succumbing to associative thinking. If you can go a minute go for two, then 5....sounds easy until you actually try it lol. It’s about breaking one’s conditioning and expanding one’s awareness. I’m just giving a nutshell of one aspect of Gurdjieff s teaching, but there is so much more. Best into imo, would be In Search Of The Miraculous by His pupil/St. Paul P.D. Ouspensky.
Gurdjieff was a Sufi Master, so unique in His ways... every Mystic is unique but all match perfectly in the wider jig-saw-puzzle of mystical picture...
what the hell are you talking about exactly ? Was HE A SUFI MASTER ? how do you know or what that means ? He said in last days of his life his work would be destroyed how horrible to have this proven correct The suffering of his last days knowing this would occur a crucifixion I can only hope you never experience. GOD HELP US ALL
@@donnasherwood283 Why are so angry about a mere opinion.
Is it the Sufi connection you don't want or ?
Are you a student of gurdjief ?
If yes you wouldn't have said that. Love always.
this is a personal matter to me sir. My first husband was G's last prominent and important male pupil in Fountainbleau up until his death in '49 prior to my own birth. He died in '76 unbelievably from the same condition which killed G. I have spent the better part of 45 years meditating on these events and the occurrences surrounding the death of G. who made several attempts to offset what he declared would be the "destruction of his life's work" announced at the last of his "idiot's lunches" not too long before he sickened to point of death. I believe his actions also indicated his wish my husband take his place. I am also acutely aware of G's disinterest rather opposition to becoming the desiccated object of a morbid curiosity about his own existence and where his work and original ideas arose from. He could not have been more clear in this regard refusing at all times to answer questions identifying their source. This would have been quite an easy matter had he wished. He used to chuckle I am told when asked if content of "all and everything" was true saying "some true some not; you decide". Meetings does not really identify one individual who can be accurately identified. what do people think this means ? G never identified himself as a "Sufi Master" nor should you. He may have absorbed the entirety of its teachings but clearly went beyond them. The only comment Clive made about this was G's comments on the Catholic Church retaining the purest of the esoteric teachings which provoked a great number of students to convert including JG Bennett. I see red when I read these types of remarks and I apologize for my obnoxious response. My connection to all of this is ONE DEGREE of Separation YOurs ? Clive saw G everyday for the last two years of his life and I believe knew and understood him quite well never once referring to him in these idioms. Clive had an interest in all the traditions of the East I recall his openly weeping at a performance of the Whirling Dervishes of Malevi understanding the potential of this ritual.
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With all respect, I bow in reverence to your BEING.
Donna Sherwood, you are my first contact with one so close to G. My respect,
Say, the truth has come and the darkness dispelled leaving Light Upon Light.
Thanks for the love.
It is known that he met the hidden sufi path borders to Russia. He was not born into this knowledge. He was ready and that hidden sufi path was there for him. I don’t know why people would have difficulty in accepting this. There are many true esoteric paths which goes beyond religious beliefs.
The music is lovely...the message is correct. Thank you gurdjieff. I came here because i read about Gurdjieff in an OSHO book.
Once I discovered that OSHO was fed drugs by wealthy Hollywood people sadly. I couldn't watch him anymore. Too sad to watch.
I have some friendly advice, take rumors and gossip very lightly, assume the best of people, take people for who they are and how they act in person. This helps avoid false drama and unnecessary suffering. I took this advice myself from the four agreements and just passing it on because it has done wanders in my personal life.
@@Noor-jw2tn Osho didn't do drugs, he was drugs himself.
@@CrisHaasbro It wasn't a rumor. I often wondered why he struggled keeping his eyes open and his speech was slow and slurred. Then I saw a documentary. Looking at the timeline he wasn't like it before he met these people.
@@prashant9660 He did. Sadly. I loved his mind.
I love sweet Gurdjieff sooooooo much ! And his most famous "disciple" OSHO too ! All those searching in itself just proves an utterly problematic existence !
Just LIVING . . .enjoying . . . that´ts it REALLY ! Living thru the day. . . drifting tenderly . . . letting go . . . every single day . . . as the l a s t day on sweet planet earth my beloved friends ! Pure cristallized TAO . . . nothing else needed . . ."PEACE is ALL you should aim for !" (Raman Msaharshi)
I found this quite interesting and it speaks to some truths I've been pondering. Thank you Ed Purcell!
“The Greeks and Romans, apart from a few, had a very low level of being……….” you say.
I’m seventy and have studied and thought about the Work since being introduced to Gurdjieff in my mid teens. And several times each day I do his “exercise” which he called “The Entire Sensing of the Whole of Oneself”. He’s a great teacher no doubt. But I’ve come to realise that Heraclitus 500 BC was far greater. And his sayings preserved to us in “The Fragments” are some of the most exquisite ever uttered by man. How the earlier teachers can be more profound than the latter is hard to understand. That is until you read the brilliant essay by William Hazlitt (one of the greatest prose writers in the English language): “Why The Arts Are Not Progressive”.
The earliest teachers were the best/most teachable because we the people were united in simplicity.
Entertainment and advertising lead us into a corporate dream that having is Better Than being?
@@patrickconnolly2654 Yup Patrick -> Sancta Simplicitas !
I think it's safe to say that Heraclitus is the exception and not what Gurdjieff was talking about. When he makes a statement like this I believe that he is trying to get us to be less Eurocentric and more open to ideas from other ancient cultures. Gurdjieff is particularly hard on the Greeks because of Alexander the Great and everything that he destroyed during his conquests.
The earlier being more profound or advanced than the latter is difficult for many to understand due to the widespread imposition of the evolutionary concept on to, or in to, many areas/fields/subjects where it is not applicable nor does it belong, however, remove those blinders and undertake overarching examination of numerous different areas from philosophical thought, spiritual understanding through to such skills as construction and one is confronted by the self-evident revelation that the earlier is indeed more profound &/or advanced than the latter.
@@PrincipledNaturalLaw Advaita Vedanta is ancient indeed. Recently many vedantist gurus have appeared-- as can be seen on youtube.
Thankyou for taking the time to put this together, I found it enlightening
Love your clip of the puppies with the quote from Karl Menninger, Al...soooo sweet! Love DOES cure people!
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 you bet Lisa ! Me myself I cure with Love AND also with EXTRAORDINARILY fine music/sound/frequencies (almost e x t r e m e sublime / aetherical) Imagine both together ! The sounds = done by VERY loving folks either - self evidently . . . "God" bless you !
Thank you for your info on a wonderful way.
I found the fourth way in Spanish and was the best thing ever happens to me.
Tome las clases y un curso y me hizo comprender y sumergirme en mi Ser, de ahí se entrelazaron más caminos que jamás pensé que existieran.
Conocí a más personas con habilidades increíbles y conocí la raza hiperbórea gracias a estas enseñanzas .
Thank you for sharing and a funny lil synchronicity, as I once found an english copy whilst living in Granada, Spain! 😂🎉❤😊
18:55 Okipitteal lobe ? I dipped when my man was mapping the brain but I’m glad content creators make this available for others 🙌
A.W. Schlegel also gave lectures in Berlin 1801-4 in which he equated "classical" with the poetry of pagan antiquity, and "Romantic" with modern progressive Christian poetry. In further lectures of 1808-9, he made the distinction between Romantic and classic as between organic and mechanical - of great importance to other thinkers, notably Coleridge who lectured on similar lines in England (1812-13).
"One thing you gotta do, you gotta to go and do it , you gotta be awake today..."(- Half Light)
"Any search proves that one is NOT enlightened . . . otherwise one wouldn´t search . . ." (old wise man)
. . . I think that wise man was famous ZEN-master OSHO
I resonate with every single thing ! Thank you for sharing !
About being in a group where one person may be awake - I think this is why AA has worked for so long.
"Better be the wrong man on the right company than vice versa, because the 'WRONG company could utterly destroy you!" (Osho)
And now look how a mad and bad and sad "society" destroys every single individual to the core . . . (except "HIS" noble few selected)
Indeed brother! As a drunk, I took pride in being a godless sacrilegious non-believer. AA taught me that I was, in fact, an AGNOSTIC, meaning (in latin) that I simply KNEW NOTHING of ANY of the many spiritual paths. So, I chose to SEEK and as a result of ancient ceremonies involving the taking of a SACRAMENT which (again in latin) means a substance that brings my mind (ment) closer to the devine (sacred)! Now, as a grateful, joyous & free alcoholic, I have an unwavering certainty that a 'loving conscious entity' which I call my Gracious Omniscient Designer, deeply cares for me.
Thanks for sharing this great contribution!
"May the blessings of God’s Love be upon you. You who have traveled far and yet have found yourselves at the very beginning of a new life. When one embarks on a spiritual quest, it is often beyond their scope to be able to perceive what it is in fact they are seeking except to say that ultimately it is union with the Divine, with their Creator, with love. In the case of my dear brother here, my spiritual grandson, he has only just become aware that he started life as a very exuberant, abundantly energized, physical child with a very curious mind with a deep desire in his soul to find the highest. And so in relation to what you were reading earlier from Judas, in this one’s life, his growth went from a very physical being to an intellectual being to befriending his soul. Prayer and music played a large part in this as it does with many. But he sought manifestations. He wanted experiences that he did not find in the church he grew up with. He did not know that he wanted to experience God’s Love but he knew there must be something higher than this and so he read about me and my teachings and my interactions with students, and my constantly reminding them that the world was in a deep sleep and that humanity must awaken and that the conventional beliefs of who Jesus was, who he is, fell far short from the truth and were in fact mostly in error. I myself traveled to many lands, had many teachers, sought out the ancient and the eternal, and came to a place of spiritual awakening and a consciousness of the treasures of prayer. Constantly I sought guidance, and constantly I received it. And so I wish to touch on this subject of manifestations and spiritual experiences.
"The desire of one to be changed, to be enlightened, to be free, to be love is at the core of all seeking that is spiritual in nature. You may be aware that teachers have often used certain substances or chemicals to shock their students into a state of awareness of their mortality and hopefully an insight into immortality. This also can happen to one who has experienced deep trauma or loss in their lives. But to those who linger in sleep and find spiritual life to be no more than another entertainment or amusement, a teacher will often go to extreme lengths to awaken the somnambulant student so that one might begin to see. I am not in any way recommending that you all go out and try some drug or another or put each other’s lives in peril, but I am saying that those who seek out manifestations are really looking for an ultimate connection with their Creator. All of these experiences, all these manifestations, whether they be the opening of the third eye with spiritual visions, or the perception of lights, spirit visitations, kundalini energies, and so forth are not to be equated with the experience of praying for and receiving the love of your Creator. They may lead to that place of true soul longings and it is always our great hope that this is so, but do not mistake the road for the destination.
"And you, my dear ones, who have chosen this road on the highest path, I encourage you to make your day a prayer, make your journey a prayer. Talk to God and find a small, still place where you can hear His answer and feel His great love for you. I’m very pleased that I was able to deliver this message and I hope it will reach many and I thank you with all the gratitude of a grateful grandfather and one who is a transformed soul in the Heavenly Father’s Kingdom. May you all go with the grace of God and know I am here for you should you call. I am your brother and friend, I am Papa George, George Gurdjieff, God bless you, God bless you."
Received Sept. 28, 2021, soultruth.ca
amazing documentary! the complaints about the piano soundtrack overpowering the narration reminds me of a Gurdjieff story I once heard. an early pupil of Gurdjieff, A.R. Orage moved to the Institute in Fontainebleau and was instructed to dig in the garden. after a few hours he grew tired and frustrated with the manual labour and began to feel he had made a terrible mistake in coming to the institute. he continued digging however and shortly he noticed the drudgery was lessening and soon he was actually enjoying himself. Gurdjeiff would have said that the “work” had the result of freeing him from the machine and allowing him to glimpse our complete human potential. so...if the music is too loud, consider instead how much more focused you have to be to hear the message!
Thank you sir.
that's beautiful. at the beginning I was actually annoyed by the music, but throughout the video I knew I wanted to suck up every bit of information I could at the moment. Needed to have full attention to my breathing and to the narration itself (with subtitles as aid), but by the end of the video I completely loved the music in the back haha
The end of your comment reminded me of the beginning of Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous" where he describes his early meetings and conversations with Gurdjieff and how they often took place in loud bars, restaurants and similar crowded public places. How he had difficulties understanding most of the conversation sometimes. I think in the same chapter an anecdote is mentioned where someone suggests to Gurdjieff that he could do his writing work in a quiet and peaceful garden but he declines and instead chooses a bar with very drunk and noisy sailors (or soldiers i don't remember)…
That's one way of rationalizing the loud foreground music.
Thank you.
Great Ed Purcell. Thank you.
I am learning from your teachers, my friends, I am learning about the possibilities for life, these potentials that had not been discovered by myself while on Earth. Though I had many gifts, and I touched many with my gifts, but there is always more, my friends, more to know, to experience in this vast journey of life.
Though I have not entered into the Celestial Spheres, I do recognize that this is the goal. My soul yearns for the gift of Love that comes from the Creator of all, and I am pursuing the journey with the fervency of my soul seeking truth.
Truth never ends. Truth never ends. I continue to awaken and accept that God will give all. It is just a matter of the application, effort, time, so that all may be absorbed, expressed, in truth and light. I now recognize the power of love that is the true passion of the soul. I will continue to seek the transformative powers of Love that comes from the Creator, and I will return and speak of my journeys, my understandings of these things...
Thank you. I am Osho Bhagwan. Bless you my friends, and goodnight.
Feb. 12, 2019 new-birth.net
GURDJIEFF is a Horizont for me. Love!
He is the (secret) teacher of famous O s h o, so do not miss the latter . . .
@@alschmidt1560 I did not understand your comment. If Osho had Gurdjieff as secret teacher, it was not so secret. Best feelings. Thanks.
@@linadocarmo . . . just a very s p e c i a l one
@@linadocarmo ? ? ? You are much TOO sophisticated. By the way: That can cost you your life ! ! !
@@alschmidt1560
Really not a secret that Osho revered G.
A real WAKE UP call for me !!!
i use a method that works well for me put alarm and snooze every 5-10 min to realise where my attention has gone and return to the breath or body
Very practical tip. I will try it.
sounds like animal training
At least a experiment to be played with sometimes in a while to live more aware , but your comment is for sure not going to make anyone more aware or benefit in anyway thats a obvious thing but thanks hahaha :D
Or we could all ride bicycles, usually when one is going uphill .... ones attention has very little choice but to be undivided, totally focused on completion of the simple task of getting oneself from point A to point B. Enough repetition will ground oneself permanently , the conjoniment of pain and pleasure is the path to enlightenment. But the automobile is so much easier! we are doomed to loving our childish bickering self important ways.
Ahhhhh, this is WAY too mechanical . . .
Just beautiful
Every ship in the harbor carry anchor....it's the one in your Heart you have to Conquer..!
The 4th way Changed My Life.........for the Better!!
@Ken Able In search of the Miraculous And check gnosticteachings.org
@Ken Able to me - Wes Penre papers and books.
Thank you so much for this introduction to such a teachings. This should be a in school curriculum
@Dima Vasilev maybe, but Alan Watts is a better prism through which to view these types of reflections and insights. And Alan has a wonderful, wry sense of humour. Thank goodness someone recorded his lectures, they are on youtube.
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 you BET Dima !!!
@@pipfox7834
AW is a bit of an ego maniac though.
Hi Amber, I was also obsessed with Cayce, the "Sleeping Prophet". He was a man of character and some of the spirits he channeled we're extremely knowledgeable--with medical cures especially. It turns out, though, that he didn't discover the Divine Love (At-oneness with God) message that Gurdjieff has discovered, and therefore, many of Cayce's channelers were not teaching absolute truth--especially regarding the existence of reincarnation. Blessings!
Awesome video, love Gurdjieff and your work is great!!!!!!
I have a neuroscientist friend, who believes that, not only is free will an illusion, but so is consciousness. I tend to think of the "I" as like a car with passengers all taking turns to be the driver. Often the 'I's fight to drive as the car moves.
Even if the 'system' failed, Gurdjieff left a valuable legacy that maybe can be refined with our new knowledge of the brain and the Universe.
He did the best he could at the time and should always be remembered and respected for that.
"I" anchored in a group of 2oo or so cells, may be the metalanguage integrator of different brain functions. it recognizes itself across changing architectures across aging, injury, and growth.
Freud, Jung and many others added to his work and made it accessible to the common man.
The "I"s are still illusions. But consciousness is not an illusion. If consciousness were an illusion, what would it be an illusion "of"? Consciousness is the one things that is self evident. Unfortunately, the ego and your free will disappear upon examination. That makes for some confusion understanding but trust me, you can eventually reconcile the too truths.
@@_GreenShadow_ 👍👍👍🕊
@@_GreenShadow_ It's the illusion "of" it's self evidence. Forest / trees etc ;)
In regards to the music, which may be a tad loud, it is the composition of a student of Gurdjieff by the name of Thomas DeHartman.
Yes it get's in the way of learning sadly. There is a time and a place for loud music, this is not it.
What music?
@@nicksos2121 High five.
@@uelude you learned something from it but you were trying to hard to make the lesson
@@nicksos2121 Man, we are so spiritual awesome!!!! LOL
Only noble few people actually know that Gurjieff is the s e c r e t teacher of the indian mystic and ZEN-master OSHO ! So if you want to know how the brillant ideas of Gurdjieff have been progressively continued I h e a v i l y recommend a closer look at OSHO !!! There are so many brillant books and videos (still) of him available . . .
it's wonderful to be patronised by your 'secret knowledge'... thank you so much. It could almost bring one back to Freud ;)
@@gurglejug627 😂😂😂
@@gurglejug627 . . . or may be C. G. Jung . . . or W. Reich . . .
Wait for they know each other in person?
Is that the fantastic Keith Jarrett playing? Another huge fan of Gurdjieff 👌🏻
No. It is in fact the music of Ed Purcell played by Ed Purcell himself specially for the recording.
@Alverthorpe this is the guy who upload the video......
God is amazing ……🌞
We "ALL" are sooooooo amazing ! ! !
Be aware, look inside. We are organisms with a soul.
'We' is imaginary, are you not sick of dreams?
I listened to my inner self and it told me to play this video at 1.75x speed. Aaaaah. My cerebellum absorbs more openly at this pace.
Jeff White you’re brilliant, thanks!
Did your inner self also tell you know one cares at what speed you listen?
1.5x speed for me lol
30:24
Thank you. A very interesting digest.
(A contemporary life parallel to that of Gurdieff and which was of an almost purely ratiocinnative character was that of Richard Buckminster Fuller whose practice I hear was to force recollection of his work and intentions periodically (every 20 mins? - dunno). His bag was to provide a geometry appropriate equally to electricity and to crystallography - a single geometry which was applicable to both equally. In relation to Gurdieff and the mechanics of conscious choice one thing from Fuller seems useful to know: just as the central ball in the ‘Dee’ of a snooker ball set up is surrounded by six other balls each of which touch each other once and the central ball once - so that surroundment figure is doubled to twelve in 3D - three nesting above and three nesting below. The considerable may be either/or on the moment but that is within a general context of altering position in one of twelve directions - just saying.)
Superb talk , thank you
Remind me of the book,. "I And Thou"
In India more people know about Gurdieff than in russia... Thanks to ours beloved Osho... 💗
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍
Osho = SECOND (!!!) Buddha out of INDIA ! So: yes, be PROUD . . .
Be blessed my mate !
People ask me who is my teacher?..who solved me?..and I point towards Mr.G. According to me too .. he is one of the very few 'wise' men ever born...my father of 'God'liness..
"Let us suppose that each of us living creatures is an ingenious puppet of the Gods!" Plato
For the origin of the enneagram, see S. Karppe's French book on the Zohar, as mentioned in the footnote in "In Search of the Miraculous" also the diagram of the tetragram in "Isis Unveiled" by Madame Blavatsky.
Is the music deliberately forcing us to concentrate or should I say teaching us to focus .Thought you were going a bit of track with the biology lesson , but it all came together in the end. All the best to you.
Found the music distracting so I tried to create a version with the background music "reduced".. perhaps it helps: th-cam.com/video/Jy0oHMCAWSc/w-d-xo.html
I hope this doesn't create any copyright issues. I take no credit and refer to this video.
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So true!!..and very annoying Thank you!!!!for the link..🌱
When I thought I had awakened I soon learned that I was sleep walking through a learned revolution. But then I woke and revolutionized the revolution.
Very deep.
I’m so obsessed with Gurdjieff and Steiner, Blavatsky
, Cayce and rest of mystery school teachers
watch out for blavatsky, read Guenon's excoriating work about her.
@@theself5382 please summarise? I’m interested
I heftily recommend Manly P. Hall for you ! You may be ripe for that kinda stuff !
@@kadirgold As I said mate: Manly P. Hall ! ! ! This mystic guy revealed some spirituel secrtets for us all !
Unpopular opinion but I love the background music and the narrator is loud enough stop complaining
this music is shit nonsense. u don't know what love means if u can love such trife.
Agreed! But maybe beginners can’t concentrate so well and thus get distracted easily.
Thank you.
I would aprecciate if you reactivated the links you talk about in the end
Thankyou for this lecture. Very informative.
For goodness sake WHY?-swagger, or misery loves company?-have you no shame?who NEEDS will find.
Thank you. #subscribed
Excellent ✌ 🙏 🕉️🎸
Scott McQuate is the Truth!
Thanks for the Gurdjieff video(*_*)
I love to daydream, I dream the loveliest of things! Swimming cats, stunning lands, dead loved ones surrounding me, my dog inside me as well as being worn as a fur stole! They come back to life and play with me in my magical land. Sometimes I just go there alone. It is extraordinary. It helps me play and be calm and kind when I come back to reality. I find these teachings somewhat austere. Am I missing something crucial here? I was a Hare Krsna before I became a mother and LOVED it. I'll go back to the ashram once I've raised my child, but I don't want ''enlightenment'' anymore. I feel like it's just an idea! Ramana Maharshi and meditation taught me that. I would love someone to challenge me or perhaps, better put, teach me what I've missed here or point me in the right direction b/c I feel I've perhaps missed something as he said dreaming./daydreaming is not as good as being immediately present. Thankyou kind person who answers.
(& beautiful piano, btw. I really loved it xx)
Of course it's impossible to know what stages you have experienced in your life. But I'll try to map it for you. So you can examine for yourself. Think of it as evolution of consciousness. The thing your are trying to experience is not really higher consciousness you are trying to experience the older lower consciousness. But as usual the direction is deliberately wrong. The newest is thought. But we have learnt that thought can create a consciousness that only experiences thought and only thought. Which is upon examination actually an illness. This is simply put ones domestication. They who belong to the physical walls. That we hide behind in our buildings. This safely allows us to just exist in our imagination. 2nd stage. Is no thought or concentrated thought. Which allows you to experience the observer of thoughts . 3rd stage is the person who observes the observer. This stage is like a person who sees stage 1 and 2 but also is a conduit to stage 4. It's the person who self releases the drugs in your mind . Stage 4 is the person who experiences the effects of the self release of the drugs. Which is the enlightenment you speak of. Of course each different stage can be called enlightenment. But the oldest and most intune with the rest of all consciousness in all living things.is the flooding of the brain with self released drugs. This brings you to closest to eternity
@Eric Jgable I read it . As. she was told things will happen when you become enlightenment. But she seems to have not experienced that. So therefore believe it's a myth. But MRI scans now prove that the brainwaves are permanently changed once a certain level of the 2nd network has been risen. Gamma waves are no longer a very temporary occurance. They become a permanent occurance. The MRI scans have proven that you become a different human from the majority of humans . Lots of highly religious spiritual organisations. Have lost the ability to coach you in regards to the raising the 2nd network.so all their words mean nothing Which is where I come in.
Everyone is on a different point on the path. Sometimes different paths. It's up to you to find your own way just like the rest of us. No one can do the work for you.
The music from Hartmann is amazing ❤️.
He died in 1949 so what did the narrator mean@3:58 when saying back in 1963 my predecessor a man called Harold gave a similar talk to the one I am giving now?
trying to understand the 4th way. did u say sly man? trying to figure out the sub-titles. english is not my main. tks
Ed your voice is familia. Are you the guy that ran a Gurdjieff reading group in Lee's conservative club on a Sunday evening about four or five years ago?
Alan Lock
The pianist is Ed Purcell
Wowwwww!!
Thanks man
29 40
Why man is a machine
I would like to know who is the pianist,. Calming but motivating,
It's in the comments above.
Is the music by DeHartmann?
may i know what book you are reading please. thanks in adv
Thank you
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22:55
How long you've been member of Gurdjieff 's groups?
Are you still in the Gurdjieff 's groups?
19:12
Radical! Cerebral functioning is 8-partite! Did not know that!🎉 19:12
Radical! Cerebral functioning is 8-partite! Did not know that!🎉
Btw - does Gurdieff anywhere touch upon the uses/activity of the Pineal gland?
I just took A FAT DUMP while listening to this. 🤤 Thank you. 🍻
Super fat dump 💩
That’s the best of you gone then!
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. The best of your mother. 🤓
@@4NaturesStory
Did you just like your own reply?
This time has been perfectly coordinated in the heavens for you to engage in love. And when you are confronted with that which is not loving, continue to broadcast love, continue to speak in truth, continue to act in kindness. For you cannot rage against the darkness but you can embrace all in the light. This is called an outward sign of God's grace. You who walk this path in the love of God and all of us who accompany you, support you, influence you on your journey, we will not allow failure, because love, the love of God is the very essence of Creation. Being out of harmony is only a moment's distraction. It is only the material mind influencing the actions. So I encourage you to pray, to act from your soul in love, to change the world. Not only as a disciple of the master, but as a beloved child of God. What else could I wish for you. May you go in God's grace today and bless all. I am your brother and friend in the Celestial Kingdom of God's love. I am George Gurdjieff.
October 12, 2020. soultruth.ca
Dear friends how to have one awakens friend in z group. Or how to be a genuine member to the Gurdjiff group.
Beautifully Done. According to Gurdjieff, related by Margret Anderson, there are Three ways to convince people of the veracity of Truth. 1. The Sublime 2. Example . 3. Magnetic Center
Which One Are You Interested In?
Thank you. I am interested in facilitating anyone who is searching for the truth. Best wishes Eddie.
No need for convincing anyone.
I get the dog analogy, but the dog is not plagued by ego, if loved it is loving, not always so with humankind.
Animals are not that simple. Dogs do not automatically 'love' in response to 'love'. With respect that's a greatly over simplified fallacy, and one of over-idealistic anthopomorphisation. An genetically aggressive dog will not automatically 'love' at the drop of a hat because a human decides to 'show it love' - the world is not that simple.
@@uelude I agree. I have trained dogs. A dog MUST use its senses , the same with humans, (sight,smell,hearing) when it decides to "love".
Humans do the same, undetectable smells attract and repell humans from one another.
Some dogs dont want to be near a human even If there is a steak in your pocket while trying to convince a dog to come near you to check its collar tags
Thanks
Very informative I have a question for you?
Gurdjiff wants those who are searching to realize that they are already IT.
That is not true. You have a journey to embark upon to find the Truth of who you really are
@@patr70 The fool who persists in his folly will become wise.
@@MF-111 Who told you that?
@@MF-111 I apologize if I was brash but I wanted to make a point. Teachings are very important in spiritual life. Don't settle for just a little bit of Truth.
@@patr70 No worries, true it is important, what I meant is that seeking is a form of postponing finding, Gurdjiff gave his disciples task/methods to be in the current moment or to be in the "now", when you go through that, you'll realize that you were always here, because thinking about the future or remembering the past is a mental activity that happens only in the present, so he made the fourth way (Slyman) in comparison with the way of the Yogi, Monk and faqeer (Sufism).
Thats why zen is called the sudden school, it's to be awakened without any announcement, satori is a sudden awakening, so if you ask for enlightenment, you define yourself lacking it.
Pls tell me the name of the composer and its title of the music
Gurdjieff!
@@cindyscott8470 🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 you BET mate ! And he wanted it to distract folks a bit . . .
Amazing work but the music was a bit too loud.
Just an old G I G trick . . .
Alright!
beside the context which is good, i like your voice
Is there a version of this without the music? I found it so distracting I had to abandon
You people must get very easily distracted, I think the piano personally adds a dynamic to his narration..
pretty funny, coming from people interested in this subject... cant focus with some nice piano playing, might not be ready for Gurdjieff... just sayin. no offense.
you must be easily distracted by calllies nasty aids obese thighs
heckthetutors13: I only listened to the piano and almost went to sleep. Was there anything else?
Yes ! Music is a secret and magic "language" on its own . . .
@@sonicjihad7 🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 you u t t e r l y nailed it Jared !!!
How do you feel about what some refer to as his final thoughts, "I leave you all in a fine mess." Also his most famous student, Ouspensky saying, "there is no system." My biggest problem with 'the work' is it never teaches you to rely on oneself. Only constantly question your machine like nature, and relying on your teacher to to tell you if you are awake or not. It only teaches you to rely on others for truth about yourself.
After 34 years of being very close to Gurdjieff's ideas, and even at one time several of his pupils, I find it very odd you should describe your "biggest problem" as you do. I find my "biggest problem" with the work is that it has shown me there is precious little other than myself that I can rely on. Best wishes.
No matter the system, the final teacher is always ones self.
+Marc Pelletier
Yes, thank you for the powerful reminder.
I see it just the opposite. Oh well. Thank you for posting.
As long as you continue to rely on a teacher to give you the answers you're seeking, it just means you haven't yet understood the teaching. If you have to ask the teacher whether or not you understand their teaching, the answer will always be "no."
The music is the huge disturbance.
I tried to create a version with the background music "reduced".. perhaps it helps: th-cam.com/video/Jy0oHMCAWSc/w-d-xo.html
No doubt he was enlightened and great but greatest of last century ,m sorry ,we cant claim that ,there were many ,his contribution could not reach to masses
There were many great zen masters over the last century.
@@bobaldo2339 🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍Yup mate. Especially Osho is one of the most famous . . .
and his tiching is a rooths important !!!
Hold on, slow down. What was the 1st, 2nd and 3rd way?
the answer is at 22 :50
The way of the Fakir - Mastery of the body. Posture, Asana
The Way of the Monk - Mastery of the Emotions - devotion, prayer, etc.
The Way of the Yogi - Mastery of the Intellect - Mental exercises, Buddhism, Zen, etc.
Gurdjieff posited that each of these schools, in their traditional methodologies, generally required isolation from the world; worse, they resulted in an unbalanced man.
The Fourth Way (sometimes referred to as 'The Way of the Sly Man') does not require a withdrawal from everyday life; rather it takes place in the currents of everyday living. Moreover, by working on all sides of man's nature, a Fourth Way school offers the potential for a balanced crystallization - a harmonious interrelationship of body, emotion and intellect, thus allowing further development (which I will not speak of here) in a more effective manner.
@@GeorgePiazza I love your response. Why are you?
I mean who are you?
@@justinesophia4792 George piazza
I greatly appreciate your intentions to impart some of GI Gurjieff's teachings - he was truly a man of great insight and wisdom. However, at times I found your accent and cadences difficult to follow, which difficulty was compounded by the loudness of the music, pleasant of melody as it is.
The piano vs. the narrator.
And we all lost...
i teach when it rains the streets get wet . . .something a Chan adept would say
Pure OSHO !!!
Search no more enjoy your life.
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You are SOOOOO wise ! Search itself just proves utterly problematic existence ! Just LIVING . . .enjoying . . . that´ts it REALLY ! Living thru the day. . . drifting tenderly . . . letting go . . . as the last day on earth ! Purte cristallized TAO . . . nothing else needed . . .
That background music is spoiling such a beautiful talk on a wonderful subject - just annoying - is there anyway of posting a second version of this without the music please - really appreciate it and thank you 🙏
Make and effort.
Just a little effort !
A copy of this excellent talk without the loud distracting music would be wonderful.
For those complaining about the background music, you have to understand that one of main teachings of Gurdjieff is cultivating the ability to divide one’s attention. For instance, he would have his pupils, as an exercise, dig a ditch while focusing one’s attention on the sensation of one’s left foot. It sounds rather odd, but the idea is expanding one’s awareness to break the natural course of things of living on autopilot. Can you go even a minute without associative thinking? Try it, come to a state of total awareness of one’s bodily sensation, environmental surroundings, as well as one’s emotional and mental state, in other words one’s total conscious awareness. This is called self remembering in the Gurdjieff work. Whilst in this state, one’s tries to maintain it without spacing out and succumbing to associative thinking. If you can go a minute go for two, then 5....sounds easy until you actually try it lol. It’s about breaking one’s conditioning and expanding one’s awareness. I’m just giving a nutshell of one aspect of Gurdjieff s teaching, but there is so much more. Best into imo, would be In Search Of The Miraculous by His pupil/St. Paul P.D. Ouspensky.
Why the music?
Well . . . WHY N O T ?
Very good
BEYOND it !!!
How to enlighten yourself read by Alan Bennett (go on, treat yourself mother). ISOTM
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Actually OSHO made Gurdjieff famous in India. OSHO used to refer Gurdjieff many times.
OSHO is a fraud
Osho is the greatest Mistic ever.
Yes ! And missing OSHO is like missing a p r o g r e s s e d Gurdjieff !!
who they were and wot' they were doing..