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- In this video, I speak about a passage from chapter 9 of In Search of the Miraculous where Gurdjieff speaks about several things which can eat up our energy and capacity for awakening and self-remembering.
If we can remove these or at the very least reduce these in our lives, we will find it far easier to remember ourselves and to move towards awakening.
Another quote about worry that has stuck with me: "Worrying is like praying for what you don't want".
Too true 🙏
Worrying is like praying for what you don't want". Who said that? Carl Jung?
@@yerevan70 The quote is popularly attributed to Bhagavan Das. It appears in his book "It's Here Now". But where it appears B.D. is attributing the saying to his Native American teacher, Little Joe Gomez. Little Joe may have read it in Jung; I don't know.
Wow! 😮 Good one 😍
Excellent . thank you.
In my opinion if the types of diagrams that appear in 'In Search of the miraculous' don't appeal to you, it is fine to just bypass them. Ouspensky was a mathematician as well as a writer philosopher. This is how he viewed and interpreted things, in schematic type diagrams and numbers. This may not be the way you approach life, or indeed the way many others who were around Gurdjieff expressed their ideas about him. It was just particular to Ouspensky. Gurdjieff talked to Ouspensky in Ouspensky's language. But it's all relative. You will find no schematic diagram type representations in Gurdjieff's own writing in 'All and Everything'
In the words of Nisargadatta,
save all of your energies for This !!
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Do not identify with your thoughts, feelings, or emotions until they’re real👌🙏💪 THE WORK!!
Well said! 🙏
Nothing is real until you know who you are
have you found that "needle in a haystack" yet ?
Everything in the dream is real to the dreamers. All dreams come and go like everything else. But the thing they come from remains the same. Or maybe not because I don’t know. I might as well be telling everyone that dreams come out of cabbages
@@baronbullshyster2996 its how the dream FEELS that matters, Now what part of the biological apparatus controls how you FEEL ?
That was really wonderful. The mental machine works with the complex breath- heartbeat-mind. If one reduces its velocity, the two remaining ones will reduce their speed, too. The spared energy through the yoga process, Dhyaana, can appear here, because many of wastes you mentioned here will be reduced to a minimum level. The word is so nice, we love to argue, to speak about every imposed subject showed on TV, Internet, newspapers, friends.... the chattering never stops, mind needs itself to be used, an eternal conversation, or we will know the truth. Any mechanical attitude is a repetition, we can not change it. Our soccer team ; our candidate to some office; our religion; we never despise breakfast, lunch, dinner, travels, entertainments, music, hobbies.... yes, to know our vices can demand lots of time from us. Thanks for the article, it is the first time I come here. Success and knowledge to you !
Welcome to the channel! And thank you for your valuable comment. Gurdjieff would say that the mind is like the driver of a Hackney Carriage and will go wherever the current fair tells it to.
Glad you found the videos on Gurdjieff! 🙏
Well in a state of self-remembering I am watching Gurdjieff videos on TH-cam. who knows how long it has been since I've had such clarity. I have restarted Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson. If only there were a group of people reminding each other to self-remember I could find -then perhaps I ought not to forget to do the Work!
Welcome to the channel! We have an online group that help support each other in keeping alert and awake. We are working through Beelzebub together at the moment. Come along to one of the live reads, and then you could join the online group if you are interested. 🙏
th-cam.com/play/PL0L0onrHik1tli9K6QPuvo-Ch2xC_XHwA.html&si=AnkAhwicX9BAlChi
There are many gurdjieff study groups. Few of them are connected to groups that were attended by those who studied under gurdjieff or ouspenski. Good luck
This channel is amazing! Thank you for your breakdown and dedication to these teachings
You are very welcome my friend. Be sure to check out the In Search of the Miraculous playlist for other commentary videos. Here is the link, and we will also read Beelzebubs tales starting very soon.
th-cam.com/play/PL0L0onrHik1u-0fd-jptjGpK_qXmOdQgw.html&si=qsXFFORzg0dO-iO_
Self Observation plus Self Remembering are the Way of the Imitatus.
Thank you so much for putting it so simply and ckearly
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Best word i ever read " pain is weakness "
Dear Book Club: I started to listen to the chapters of Gurdieff's books. I found them extremely helpful for my personal journey. I am deeply grateful to You for this wonderful contribution. My deepest gratitude to You. Send You my love and support. Take good care of yourself
I appreciate that very much, and am glad that the readings are helping you on your journey! We have a Discord server where likeminded individuals interact, support and motivate each other. Let me know if you are interested in joining and I’ll share the link with you. 😊🙏
Gurdjieff was a major influence in my life. I read every book I could get my hands on by or about him. I found him most amazing. On people being " asleep ". I am constantly watching and listening to people as I live on the main drag in my town. I can't get over the stupid nonsense that comes out of most people's mouths. No one ever looks at me. They truly are asleep. Big thanks to the internet. And to the military for throwing it over us like a giant net. Keep up the good work.I would suggest using stories from Gurdjieff's life as examples of his principles. They are most interesting.
I share your experience of Gurdjieff being a major influence in life. Mine too.
Great idea about using the stories of G’s life. I will look into and get to work on that. Thanks for the great comment. If you would like to converse via email, you will find mine in the about page. I’d be interested in hearing how you encountered G’s teachings. 🙏
I agree with the idea of taking various episodes and statements from gurdjieffs life and writings to ponder them. We have such a short memory span, we forget as quickly as we read.
So tell me what specifically have you remembered ?
What memories do you sit in and witness like a movie ?
I have one where I'm sitting in the kitchen with mum whilst she is peeling potatoes and we are talking, its one of my favorites to witness me, who I am
@@gratefulkm I remember standing on a hill in the country watching a sunset and wondering , ' what is this something inside of me that never allows me rest or peace' to question is a function of the mind , to wonder is a function of the emotions, I wish I could go back and tell myself that.
@@grahamfortune1528 Sounds like "your clutching at straws", but please the point is to "find the needle in the Haystack" for the sake of humanity, before you rest, I implore you to keep remembering , To say what I found biology was capable of , turns every little aspect of reality inside and out into a merry little dance of eternity is an understatement,
but the narrative must be maintained, I cant tell you anything, I can only suggest you keep searching
If you remember anything significant at all, let us know and , trust me you will know :)
Remembering to remember your self. Being aware of your awareness.
I think this is the same as the reverse anergy talked about in the book
The secret of the golden flower.
I put on the top of my to do list every day.
I agree. If it’s atop the to do list each morning, everything else will fall into place. Or maybe it won’t. It’ll matter less if we remember ourselves 🙏
"self remembering" is simply sitting in a memory that happened a month ago , sitting in the rain waiting for a bus
getting angry in that situation and then you witnessing that change from an observer point of view watching the movie play out,
And understanding OMFG is that me, is that how I act
And then "looking for that needle in a haystack"
I say "your at clutching straws" with that awareness thing
as the great Mullah Nasser Muddin would say
"the noise made by the flowers petals and the wind are of no concern!"
Hi Book Club. This is a very good video and I have been a huge admirer of Gurdjieff and the book "In Search of Miracolous". Gurdjieff was a milestone in my spiritual journey and you did very well to break down his concepts into the essence. Otherwise, a lot can be get lost in the tables and calculations. One personal observation that I have with "non expression of negatives' feelings externally is that if one can do that successfully, then automatically one starts to feel less negativity within us. It brings about equinamity in most situations. Secondly, somewhere in the book Gurdjieff defines sin as anything that is "not necessary" and it applies to almost all parameters whether it is talking, worrying, food or self chatter. Keep the good work. I also started a channel recently and made couple of videos of Gurdjieff. Hope the new generation can benefit from concepts and methods of Gurdjieff
Great, observations. Yes I agree! There is so much potential power within these ideas, I hope that more people can come to find and benefit from them 🙏❤️
@@bookclub5291 Agree, you did your job by making a video
What you mean is "if you smile the world smiles with you!"
Tell me what's your favorite memory to sit in and witness ?
Before hearing this commentary, I wrote some thoughts and experiences over on the discord group that verify all that you are saying here. I seem to be vibrating on the right frequency atm. Bless.
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Where is this group?😮
Thank you so very much 🌻
You are very welcome 🙏
Your comments of chatter ring so true with myself, its where my own work really must begin.
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Very well thought out and delivered explanation of the basics for saving the energy we need for the beginning of real work. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! 🙏
Thank you for this excellent video. Very clearly explaining Gurdjeiffs observations and advice. It's so true and realistic to life.
You are welcome. I’m glad that you found it valuable. 🙏
great work. high five for taking silence to the extreme.
High five ✋
thank you for these priceless videos.
You are very welcome. Happy to hear you find them of value 🙏
Not loosing sexual energy is the biggest, most important factor
Yes, G does speak a lot about the sex centre and it’s right functioning.
Agree...When I don't dissipate my sexual energy for a long period of time ( even for 2weeks or so) another ME emerges...a different perception of reality appears in Me....
Only if you know what to do with the semen. If not, you’re going to be worse off
Needs proof . 👍👍
Lol i just found your channel, so nice ❤
Welcome! Enjoy having a look round and all of the videos 🙏
I have only just heard of Gurdjieff.
Dan Winter talks about him I didn’t know about him till now also 💕
Very nice video.
Very good work.
Nice choice of chapter 9.
Lots of gratitude. 🌱🌱🌱
Much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed the video 🙏
Love this stuff. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it! 😀👍
Been learning about this Gurdjieff chap lately and this was a really nice lil vid 👍 there’s definitely something about him.
Glad you enjoyed it! There definitely is something about him, I can vouch for that! 🙏
Thanks for the contribution. The teaching of Gurdjieff and original footage showing his movements can be seen in this film th-cam.com/video/6eXZScF26Dc/w-d-xo.html
Thank you!! Very helpful.❤
You are very welcome! 🙏
I am new to Gurdijeff’s teachings, and I was wondering about emotions relating to trauma. I.e processing grief as a means of reconnecting with your true self. Rough example, but hope that makes sense.
This is a great thing to inquire into, as many of us hold emotions relating to trauma. I think I will speak about this in a separate video at some point in the future. If you want to know more and don’t want to wait, send me and email and I’ll respond with some thoughts and quotes. 🙏
To my mind this is another attempt by vertical ascent to transcend painful internal conditions. However the life is more a maze in circular manner by each round you strive to center of self until death will solve this mystery. All pain has to be embraced and healed.
Amazing job
Glad you found it of value. 🙏
What means to remember yourself exactly?
Blessings
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You mentioned "mindful walking." Pali sati, Sanskrit smriti, most often translated "mindfulness" is originally a verbal noun, most literally translated remembering, or thinking -- as in thinking what one's doing. As FM Alexander called it (at John Dewey's suggestion), "Thinking in activity." In Chinese Zen they spoke of 非思量, non-thinking. Anyway, Yes!, remembering! An action or activity more than a state. Understood, in light of emptiness, to be a happening, not a thing.
Great insights there Mike. Thanks for sharing. It’s an elusive thing isn’t it, and like you say, a fine balance between doing and being…
Remembering is simply sitting in a memory that happened weeks ago, watching the movie of the memory play out, watching you act and do ,
You cant remember what you were thinking so its a silent movie, but you do FEEL the emotions you felt
I mean that alone turns the world upside down
But "finding that needle in a haystack"
Well that's the EFCB of things
@@gratefulkm Sure, remembering what really happened is a vital part of it. But equally vital is remembering what we want to happen -- as I was taught by teachers of the FM Alexander Technique, two of whom, FM's niece Marjory Barlow & Nelly Ben-Or, were in the Gurdjieff work.
@@mikecross440 No, sorry please understand its an objective truth,
What they mean is eventually you can revisit exact moments in your life because you want to revisit them,
To have a very ecstatic moment and to then try to live in that moment , To bring that emotion into the now and by bringing that good emotion and feeling into the now, we can attract more of that good emotion and build ourselves
But you have to know your past to understand the expectations of thier future
You must understand "G" gave them no jobs, no roles, no requirement to survive ,
He separated them utterly from the selves they had built in the physical world
In other words he never really expected anyone to ever leave
That was because he knew their past, what objectively they were going to remember,
By doing this you will eventually help the individual experience to become less focused on the future and more at ease with the now
this is just the beginning, you never ever to stop searching for "that needle in the haystack" The Point" of your existence shall we say
@@gratefulkm Life is real only when I am. One has to understand what is true about those words, and what is not true. Otherwise one hasn't understood anything and one shouldn't say anything. At least not like you said, as if you know what you're talking about.
Good discussion. Have you talked about Gurdjieff's mention of the magic circle. And what does it entail to keep in ones energy
In search of the miraculous was written by Ouspensky.
That was good, I could relate. Do you know who wrote about the levels? Bottom levels you're squandering on yourself. Arguing, etc.
As you achieve higher levels you become more zen like with the highest level of perfection, which is reserved for God only.
7 months later still surching. Homless Alcoholics have normaly plenty of hair and never go bold because of disconection of stress and other I,s ....man is the machine that we dont know much about ....
We must focus on observing and understanding our own machine first. This is the first goal.
unnecessary worry = wasted energy
Well said! 🙏
At our school in the Mid East we greeted each other in the morning with, "did you remember yourself?" We would then answer, " This one remembered that he had forgotten himself for 4 hour 22 minutes." And the answer is what is exact science?
imagination? I’m an artist!…Oh well, got the book. Gonna read it anyways.
Vitamin D taken orally is efficient as well.
dººb!🙏
Everyone needs help
But some need more help than others
First your destroy thier concepts of thought
Second you Sama them you break thier focus on the LEFT PFC , this is done through music and movement , The Grateful Dead are the purest Sama experience around , Today Even more pure than all the Sufi schools , zero distortion pure energy achieved , pretty much all the DeadHeads know "G" inside out ,
Third you help them remember thier life and trust me the more help they need the more they never look back
The first two are external shocks , cannot be self administered
The last is the last one and that's after the 2 external shocks have been given
The books almost , I mean almost pull it off, but a "G" said only if you already know do you see them
The books were like petals on a flower, to attract you to the people he sent into the world that he knew knew
Personally I think he got desperate at the end, its was too much the wars and losing everything
The stroke whilst driving "we are all accident waiting to happen" we just imagine we are not
So the people he got ready were not ready and it took his prophesy to come true for
As Masser Nullah Muddin would say "the shit to hit the fan"
"some people cant see past the end of thier nose"
Great points and observations. Thanks for sharing 🙏❤️
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Do u do group work? Like is there a group where one could join?
Yes, we do have an online discord group, although we are not as active as we might be. You are welcome to join us. Here is the link:
discord.gg/aQvG5GsU
I don't know if I could live up to all these things.
It’s not about living up to them, it’s about observing oneself and seeing how one lives. Then attempting slowly to bring one of these things into your life, and continuing to observe how difficult that is. And rinse and repeat! 🙏
I's consume energy. Keep an I on them. :o)
That’s the aim 👍
Help Observe the Observer by Digging some Digging... AI for Prophets not Profits
Just be bold, bro
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First of all the channel is great man ur knowledge of the books is incredible love the videos
I have a question for yourself today I’m hoping you might have some insight on in my situation, I’m a bodybuilder the last 5 years but I also have a love for the work the truth , I read a lot of Meister ecktart, ouspensky, ecktart tolle etc and would love to clear up my confusion with self remembering I have a hard time incorporating self remembrance with my love for bodybuilding as I do see myself identifying with my physique my strenght in the gym etc how can I clear my confusion up with incorporating the 2 in my life thanks man would really value youre input . Cheers🙌🏻
Hey there. I would say that it would be very difficult not to identify with your strength and physique doing what you do.
But something you could try would be asking the lines of mindful reps, where you are deeply aware of the muscle group you are training and try and feel the contraction. You could also observe the thoughts that arise and are connected to your appearance, and recognise that you are more than just a physical body, and that this is your vehicle for life.
Hope these give you something to work with. Any other questions, I’d be happy to help 😀🙏
@@bookclub5291 brilliant advice something I’m going to work on today really looking forward to trying this out . another paradox is also goal setting in this field of sport winning the competitions , improving ur physical aspect ur physique etc,, now that being said a lot of the work the books scrutinizes goal setting dreaming manifesting etc is it ok if you have a love for something like I do to invision possibilities of improving urself without losing yourself in the manifestation , the goal , the dream etc? Thanks man for the reply🙌🏻
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Any advice it has been 6 days since you replied to myself over this matter ???
🐂.... But I love you anyway, G. You were yourself. And I'm myself. To me, the 4th way is all ways.
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The 4th way is the ,3 ways, plus.
Is Always
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hair much?
Look at yourself