Watch the whole video before commenting ❤️ 2/27/20 Update- For the Armys harassing me on the basis of lies, here are timestamps of all the acknowledgements/apologies/statements: 2015 Namjoon interview 7:15 2017 Namjoon Vlive 13:19 2017 “Change your hair” interview 15:12 2018 Naega lyric press conference 15:41 2019 “But Namjoon” Persona MV reference 15:55 2020 Big Hit’s Jim Jones statement 16:53 I included *all* of the relevant acknowledgments/apologies/statements. There was nothing else for me to possibly add. Check your anti-blackness for *once* in your life and stop defending the indefensible.
I didn’t know about all of this and it hurts but every time I see kpop idols doing something from other cultures like it’s normal. Hmmm idk when this is gonna change omg this hurts to see them behaving like this. These idols really need to be more educated. I hope idols really change their ways. I’m sad but really disappointed and mad.
What I really noticed was that the reason why Namjoon used the black hairstyles was to look more aggressive and furious. Black hairstyles aren't meant to give off that look. SO many cultures have taken a glance at black culture and then identify it as something "ghetto" or "aggressive". It's honestly sad. I don't wear braids to look like that, I wear braids because it protects my hair and makes it easy to manage. So when people identity our culture that way it's really upsetting.
Girl same. Something that is beautiful and meant as a means for us to protect and grow our hair is being used as an "aesthetic" for other races while they continuously put us down. Smh
Please never take this video down, this is the only comprehensive one I've seen talking about this issue. I've been an ARMY for a long time but this is the only time I've heard of these statements, and more people need to know and hold them accountable
I agree this is really offensive and I’m surprise they continue to get away with this. Sadly you’re consider bottom feeders being a dark skinned asian in Asia it’s not just blacks. This is an ignorant and insensitive issue and just saying it’s a cultural difference is an excuse.
its honestly funny how bts actually never apologized for this. and armies are going around saying that bts have apologized with no absolute proof whatsoever. their fans would literally do anything to make them look innocent. why cant they just accept the fucking truth. and plus, their fandom is hella toxic.
Being Asian myself, the comments that BTS have said in the past is nothing new unfortunately. In most Asian culture, tanned/dark skin was seen as “ugly” and has been labeled as the “lower class people”. My family and relatives have make these types of comments towards me and other people within our family members and friends, commenting on skin tone, style, language, etc. My mom always commented on my skin, saying I was getting darker and darker. I was even given bleaching soap to brighten my skin. I got into BTS recently this year, and I have notice plenty comments and styles have done that involved colorist/racist/appropriating remarks. I’m not too sure where to stay in this situation, but I am glad this video is out to educate those who need to see the problem when incorporating Black culture into music/style within the KPop industry. I just genuinely hope BTS can somehow open up to this situation and take fault of their mistakes and comments.
Same. I'm a Filipino, when I was younger, I really like staying out in the sun playing with friends. One time I stayed at the beach for hours just playing... My skin got really dark because of that, mom told me that I look prettier when I was whiter.
I'm tired of people pretending that BTS is perfect. They did wrong stuff and we need to hold them accountable rather than defend them. They are grown men
as a korean, this is just not right. As much as I support BTS, they should know better. I'm really sorry to all the people offended, this is not all koreans. Once again I'm truly sorry.
Netflix or HBO need to do a documentary about racism and black culture appropriation in K-pop music. More people need to be aware of this major problem.
@kimh.8176 even newjeans keep on stealing the y2k black fashion and everyone is praising them for their so called "unique " fashion taste in kpop which is the black rnb 2000s fashion 🫥
I’m not even black but I’m really sick and tired of this amount of racism and cultural appropriation.I’m an ARMY but still I can not ignore the things they’ve done.I still love them so much, but they should learn and apologize.
Then why still be an “army” if you can’t stand and are sick of their actions. Tbvfh y’all supporting them makes them think that whatever they do is fine and will not be held accountable for that.
@@Coolcatz. I mean she literally said in the beginning she doesn't mean to hold this over them for years but just bringing it to light. We held them accountable and now they stay in their lane 🤷🏽♀️ her bringing it up is pretty much to say they're not innocent and haven't apologized and we shouldn't treat them as if they haven't done anything wrong. At least that's how I see it. I always hold them accountable but I don't hold situations over their heads when they've stopped the behavior.
What’s so annoying for me is I feel like I can’t enjoy anything... The question is always lingering... ☹️ Thanks for the chronological timeline though, it puts it into greater perspective.
I don't know if I should be a fan anymore. This put things into perspective for me. Everytime I feel so much faith some stuff just happen and it's not like you can get the message to them because some ignorant fans will attack " without thinking"
Some of y’all armys need treat bts the same way y’all treat other groups when it comes to racism in kpop,like when a idol gets called out for something they did in the past y’all want to attack them and send threats and drag them and stuff but when someone brings up something bts did in the past y’all get so defensive and only one member apologize and namjoon apology really wasn’t a apology where did you guys once heard “I’m sorry” y’all just took that as a apology to excuse them for what they did back then and to excuse them now today
Tbh, I feel like some armies (who are obsessive) attack other groups like blackpink, mamamoo, twice etc for being racist but don't acknowledge what their own idols did. Don't get me wrong what all of the other groups did was also racist and is bad. Holding them accountable should be first than excusing them because they are good looking.
Army, lets not defend them when they make a mistake. Hold them accountable. Even if u love them so much, please correct them if they’re wrong. Lets mass email to big hit and tell them to make BTS apologize properly.
i'm not against them apologizing, but i don't understand how "making them apologize" would do anything. if it isn't from them i'm not sure it actually means anything
OMG RIGHT. I've seen some black armys on twitter defend them too, and it's a shame. it's like we're not allowed to be offended because other black armys feel like bts has changed and grown from their mistakes, so that means we're supposed to feel the same way too. And don't even get me started on the double standards some armys have when it comes to bts and other kpop groups who do cultural appropriation or just something problematic in general...
I’m not black but this is facts and I’ve been saying this for years, but a lot of army will bash people if we say something like this but when it comes to other kpop groups they wanna be a hypocrite
they’re so disgusting, people go to any length to defend their favs despite black armys/people and native american armys/people have expressed how offended by are by it.
the fact none of them even addressed the situation very clearly and apoligized personally till now , is a huge step back for me. Racism is not a joke, they've done so many fouls yet no apologies till now.
also wanna bring up that "kidnapping" prank they did to the boys on american hustle life, and how they used big black men for it and had them act super aggressive-
i feel like the whole kpop industry needs to be taught on black and native american culture and south asian culture for gg because they are the main ones to be affected. i’m glad bts have learned some things but clearly they need to be taught more on native american culture and also more in detail about cultural appropriation of black culture.
The comments made by RM and others about Hobi's color hit my heart and I felt so much sorrow for him. I'm sure he was hurt but what was he going to say?
In asian culture, being darker than others is seen as a bad thing. It doesn't matter whether you are south asian or east asian, colourism exists and its extremely hurtful. its also offensive to black people as it is as if you're degrading not only your own race, but another race too.
True that.. Southeast and South Asians are looked down in East Asian countries.. Even if you're a Native East Asian, if you're dark.. You'll get bullied
I don’t mind if people keep stanning bts or just a problematic group. As long as you keep them accountable. The problem is there’s too many kpop fans that when their faves do something it’s fine but when another group does something they are so quick to cancel and bully
OMG IKR! I’m a Kpop fan myself but I can’t stand it when other netizens will try to give their favorite idol or group a pass when they do something insensitive, yet will have no problem dragging a western celebrity for the same thing 😒
It may sound dumb but I would’ve never imagined them to discriminate/ be racist against other skin colors. Was blindsided since the media portrays them as perfect or great human beings as a fellow fan it’s good to know.
I’m a BTS stan, and I believe this is unacceptable behavior. They need to denounce all of these past statements. How ignorant. I’m disappointed. I’m so disappointed.
Then why are you still a “stan”. Stop “stanning” them and watch how they get everything in order. Lol. Mofos are addicted to getting more and more fame no matter the cost.
Bts out here talking about "Stop Asian Racism" while still not apologized for being hella racist, colorist & insensitive towards the cultures and skin tone of most of their fans. As an ex-army (yes because there's no way I keep listening to their music now) I'm so disappointed.
Its hard to watch a video like this as an african american girl who has spent 5 years supporting this group. However, it is important to acknowledge the truth. I believe I have likely expected too much out of a group of young korean men raised in a culture that likely doesn’t prioritize black rights, let alone the specific struggles and issues regarding colorism and cultural appropriation. Its saddening but i guess we have to accept things aren’t right in order to change them. I guess I’ll have to figure out how i want to interact with the group from now on
It’s a big deal to people who hate it. You are right, I don’t know why or how black skin became such a big deal to white people but they sure hated it now the world keeps repeating how unpretty it is. It’s messed up for the people who have the black skin color- like me-, what can we do?
Bruh!! Same, I for one's don't even like the term Black and White used on ppl. how can you call someone Black,white, brown, yellow etc. When a person's skin tone or shade is literally neither white nor black . Calling ppl shades and colours are cringy Af.
So he associates 4c hair with looking “ aggressive “ ? How is that not racist ass hell ?! My natural hair is NOT aggressive and non black people saying the n word is VERY offensive.
Idk why but I feel like BTS will never apologize for this, whenever someone tries to talk about this, many armys just show up to call that person a hater and give some stupid excuses saying Namjoon already apologized, every human makes mistakes so we should just forgive them and many other stuffs, like seriously?? I know every human makes mistakes but what's wrong in accepting and apologizing for that mistake?? And BTS weren't 10 y/o old kids with absolutely no idea when they did these shamfull stuffs, they kept reapeating the same mistakes so many times and still some fans think they didn't had any idea The media and fans shows them as perfect people, fans treat them like gods so very few amount of people know about this side of BTS, these fans are seriously experts at hiding their idol's fault and defending them blindly And it's sad to know that some armys in this comment section are just pretending to accept their idols fault but in reality they don't even care about this!
Yess... I definitely think they would not apologize. They are big and why tf would they apologize? They never cared about this. They know it's wrong but they still said. People make excuses so that they can still be entertained. Not only they are all experts but malicious liars too.
What’s crazy is did you hear that some people think Beethoven might have been Black? There are articles on it, analyzing his portraits and possible lineage. Wild
BTS are one of my ultimate groups and i won't unstan them, but that doesn't mean that we can't hold them accountable everytime they do wrong actions. They are already adults and they should know what is wrong and what is right, defending them doesn't help them to learn from their actions at all.
I’m sorry but it’s really no wonder Taehyung’s complexion has gotten so much lighter over the years. They’re literally constantly pointing out his darker skin tone...
He is still very tan with his beautiful honey skin. But Kpop whitewashes them a lot for tv/pictures/mvs. People that see them in person say that they're more tan in person. They said that their real skin color is best seen in the Norton Graham interview.
He's actually still tanned, especially during sunnier and warmer times of the year. But he unfortunately gets white washed a lot in pictures, music videos, etc.
Thing is, so many other idols are white washed just like him and it sucks. Like I honestly thought that was his skin tone getting into BTS just last year and I was so shocked to find out his skin is actually tanned
As an Black fan of theirs, I still want an apology. Idc if these events happened years ago. We can’t sit here and call out everyone else for being racist when we don’t even hold our own favs accountable. Also non-black armies need to realize that they can’t speak for others in every situation. They shouldn’t tell us that we shouldn’t be offended, because it IS offensive. If they can donate to BLM and others like that, they can apologize appropriately to the black or any other POC (they offended) fans who support them.
Right like I love them but that doesn't mean that everything they do is right. Fans treat them like God nowadays. They should be hold accountable when they do something wrong
No cuz I’ve been stanning them for a while and I had not a lick of knowledge that they’ve done this, ofc I’ve seen several pictures of Hobi with twists. But them saying the n word was beyond my knowledge. I’m not going to unstan them because a lot of idols have made mistakes years back and has gotten better, but they really need to own up to their mistakes
I don't understand how people can dislike this video. It's the truth. They said all those things🙄 I feel like they haven't changed at all, but rather they decided not to say such statements in front of the cameras. As black girl who just became an Army, I'm deeply hurt. I've been showing my full support for these guys🥺 My black skin is beautiful and my Hair is not aggressive!!!!✊🏾
i think most ppl are misunderstanding the point of this vid. Their (sorry idk the uploader's pronouns) intention wasnt to make ppl dislike, hate, or unstan BTS as a whole. I, myself, don't even know half of these problematic actions that theyve done, which says alot abt our fandom's skills at sweeping stuff under the rug. I love bts with my whole heart bcoz theyve helped me mentally and emotionally, and joon is like my main bias, and I am aware of the offenses he has done in the past, but not his other actions, so this vid is actually a great way for non-black stans to be fully educated on something theyve always been ignoring. And it sucks becoz they tend to ignore these actions in order to promote this sort of "perfect," "woke," and "intellectual" image on BTS, when clearly, theyve done soooooo much crap too, yet that doesnt necessarily take away their impact and artistry towards the world. There is so much more than kpop and sitting one's ass all day defending racism disguised as ignorance. Im a poc, and tbh, our schools dont really educate us abt black culture, but that shouldnt prevent one from trying to research and educate themselves. BTS arent bad people, bcoz they clearly have respect for their fans and artistry, but those arent enough to mask their problematic wrongdoings. Stan bts, but make sure to hold them accountable everytime they screw up. It shouldnt be that difficult to protect and stand up for black people, if u ignore the problem instead, its time 2 do some self evaluation lmao Oh and to add up, stan twt needs to stop using these conflicts as a vehicle to promote which is group is more problematic than the other. Like some of yall really dont care abt black people and just want to take these as chances to further stir up more conflicts instead of properly educating each other and its all fucking sickening.
especially because we see him as the 'comfort member' in the fandom. we talk about how his words are so comforting but don't want to talk about the words that aren't.
Im not gonna lie this almost made me cry because of the fact that im a black girl with darker skin and to see people that i say that i love to listen to and i listen to everyday talk about darker skin/black people like this hurts alot 😞 and im honestly very disappointed in them
The whole music indursty is build on black music without us yall would still be listening to classical music its digusting how people still treat us like this and make of fun us and use our culture :( im hurt man i really like bts but idk anymore. Edit: i saw comment saying that alot of black classical music was destroyed and black people were involved with it so there wouldn’t be any music without us.
100% about the music industry- I had to lay it out for the nonblacks though because you know they love to say with appropriation “other races do that”, when in reality these Kpop idols are quite literally mimicking Black culture. And ya, the prejudice is disgusting 😞😪 sending you love and support ♥️
My heart clenches when people laugh at the "black english" like wth is so funny? Nothing it's the way that a whole culture speaks. I am not african american, I am mexican, but I understand and empathyze with you, it felt so hurtful to see that for some reason. As a fan this must be si hard to cope with
Yeah, I'm from Brazil and super empatize with this. Everyone speaks different. They keep mocking the way black americans talk, but I am sure if someone mocked the way they talk, like saying tha all asians sound the same and blablabla, they would definitely be offended.
Right? I’m Mexican and ppl laughed at me because of the accent or because I was struggling to find the words to talk and it started making me upset, can’t imagine how black kpop fans feel after being mocked not only by the way they talk but also by the way they look.( Black ppl in general tho)
I was also surprised that they were laughing he promised not to do it in the future but when the future becomes the present he kept on doing the same thing painful 😔😔😔😔
no seriously. i’m all for holding groups accountable but tbfh no kpop fandom actually cares about this they just weaponize it into something to use against other fandoms… and that goes to A LOT of ARMYs on twitter. the moment you mention what their own group has done suddenly it doesn’t matter because it’s old.
BTS NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE FOR HURTING BLACK PEOPLE. Even if they are the biggest group they don't have any right to make fun of culture and people. They should apologize. I just hope ARMY will trend it in every social media platform
2 years flash forward: armys don't hold their favs accountable and nothing changed. this is the industry and everyone is okay with it which is pretty messed up
I'm not gonna lie I am having conflicted feelings right now. Especially since I am a huge BTS stan but also a proud Maori girl. When you admire someone so much its blinding and sad because I've seen that clip with Jimin "roasting" RM saying he looks like a Maori chief. And my first reaction was "oh my god, he knows what Maori is that's so cool" but now its like "oh, that's what he meant." It's like a wake up call. It's infuriating when your culture and people are being disrespected especially when it's for the skin tone you wear.
I mean, you can still Stan kpop groups as long as fans hold the idols accountable. Sadly, the ARMY doesn't do that too often which can lead to controversy. Idols aren't you're friends and you shouldn't protect them if they've done something wrong.
Honestly Same! I can't really look at them the same way. They were my heart!!! And now it feels like they're "complete strangers" instead of those boys I fell in love with 5 yrs ago. I literally can't!!! 💔
I'm actually really glad that this video was made because it brings light to how much Kpop uses black culture for there own use. I love BTS but they need to be accountable and acknowledge there wrong doings to how the interpreted black culture.
In terms of BTS making an apology, anyone can put together a few words and call it an apology. Then turn around and continue doing exactly what they were before. Yes it seems like they've changed a tiny bit since some of this stuff has happened, but it doesn't feel like they've truly understood what they did wrong. Honestly to me it feels like a toddler stopped trying to stick a fork in a socket, simply because you told him not to. They don't really get it.
bts never apologized for saying the n word yet they get a pass for it? ppl lypsync to then n word and get cancelled while they get away with it. biggest boy band in the world or not, u cant deny that they never apologized
American Hustle Life was so cringe, especially the beginning. This is very educating and eye opening to someone like me who is white. It's a good reminder that BTS aren't perfect human beings and that they still have a lot to learn and improve on(and their fans of course). I hope that things that happen like this in the future that they are held accountable. And that fans will come together and point it out to them instead of arguing about it.
It’s crazy how I got dragged for calling out the kkamdongie situation when it came to light again and Army’s cover it up by saying Jimin was calling Jungkook black in a cute way like a black puppy. Pure bullshit
as a native american person who used to look up to yoongi a lot it rlly hurt to see him say that about our culture. i’m glad you made this video so now people can finally hold them accountable for these disgusting things that they have said and done.
RACISM SHOULDN'T BE NORMALISED!!! I hope BTS apologize and educate themselves, now they're grown ass men. ARMYs should stop defending and hold them accountable!
Wow. I have no words. Hurt is an understatement. As a Kenyan black girl, I'm deeply saddened. I feel like I've wasted 3 years of my life. I wish they knew how much of an impact they have on people especially us youngsters. I truly hope and pray that they realize their mistakes. My opinion, I'm taking a break from K-pop. My fellow black queens and other poc beauties, keep your head up high. Love you guys and thanks Adeola Ash for shedding light on this. Love you.
same this honestly really hurt me because i felt as if they were my escape and my comfort. People that were always there for me through anything. It just hurts honestly and i just want escape from all this hatred people have for us. :((
RM couldn’t find Tae and J-Hope when it was dark? Seriously? This is so racist and insulting. EVERY skin colour is beautiful. Let’s make the world a better place!
more colourist than racist actually. but i’m not surprised as someone who lives in asia colourism is EXTREMELY prevalent here and my own relatives have made fun of me for being tanned
@@clarajones9476 it’s extremely common in K-Pop due to Korean beauty standards and the country being over 90% ethnically Korean; it happened A LOT to Kai from EXO and pretty much everyone poked fun at it in his immediate circle, including my faves Taemin and Key from SHINee. It’s incredibly frustrating. But yeah, none of these moments surprise me.
People in Asia (specially East Asia) are extremely colourist. Even if the person is slightly tanned, they would come and make fun of them. The worst part is that i can't blame bts in the beggining cuz they grew up in this awful social environment (not only about the skin tone but also fat shaming). That doesn't mean that it's okay, they have to educate themselves more and apologize for their past actions. I grew up in a country with similar believes and i did some sh't without knowing it but i educated myself. I know it's hard to identify sth that it's so deep in your culture but It's extremely necessary.
I'm so sorry for all the black army community whatching this video but yes this is the reality not only in k pop industry but all around the world but be proud of your skin always remember that black people's are the most beautiful in the world lightskin or darkskin don't change for no one if they don't like you don't mind they will never understand how special you are and last never forget this word's :Black's power, pro melanin, black don't crack.
RM is the darkest member but yet he is the one mocking others for being dark! Is he OK? Plus they are talking like dark skin is a disease or something.
I've been into Kpop for about a year and it's sad that black Kpop fans can't enjoy something without one of their favorite groups or idols doing something wrong. I been knew about BTS and their past just by the research I have done but gave them a chance because I do enjoy their music and like their personalities. Do I feel BTS has changed like ARMYs love to claim? No. Now that they are bigger, they have to watch their words and be more careful. My main issue is with the fandom because they love to attack other groups for being problematic or racist yet let someone call out BTS on their shitty past, they will make excuses and sweep it under the rug. They want to act like BTS is woke when none of these Kpop groups are woke. I see it on Twitter and even on TH-cam and it's annoying. The reality is that Kpop as a whole is very problematic and fans love to pick and choose on who's more problematic and who gets a pass. That's why I just tune in for the music because none of the groups we like are innocent. Sad but true.
This is how I feel too... I love BTS but man I cringe so hard seeing these clips or even watching their older MVs. I knew about the bulk of these things. They do a lot of good and I give people the space to learn and grow but that doesn't mean I'll say they're perfect unproblematic kings, they're human and humans make mistakes. I'm sure they're all genuinely sweet people who have good hearts but they can make mistakes just like anyone else. Calling them out for something doesn't mean you hate them... I love so many Kpop groups but I'm getting sick of the cycle of do the problematic thing then apologize. I can forgive some ignorance of course, I don't know everything about every culture but when people from that culture speak up - LISTEN TO THEM!! This isn't a Kpop only thing either, I'm living in the US and we do it here too... it happens everywhere it really needs to stop.
A girl group called little mix is a feminist, anti racist girl group in uk .they have been together for almost 10 yrs. You can check them out if u want
"Do I feel BTS has changed like ARMYs love to claim? No. Now that they are bigger, they have to watch their words and be more careful." I agree with this so hard. It weirds me out how after american hustle life (where they were mentored by black people) they still chose to make colourist/anti-black statements. Makes me feel like the only reason why they don't make those comments anymore is bc they are trying to please their intl fanbase.
Ngl this kind of put me in a depressive state to see this side of them. I know they’ve done some good things like donate to BLM and all but it’s still heartbreaking. I know Korea is very ignorant towards black people and not to mention colourist because the desired skin tone is pale white BTS grew up around those same exposers yes they are coming it America more often and going travelling but the world is just unfair and cruel to us especially on how we’re portrayed and I know BTS isn’t perfect, their humans but it’s still sad to see how dismissive(if this is the right word to use) they still are, but thank you so much for making this video and bringing light to this and I know that black army’s have a running joke that Namjoon is a “black man” and all but it doesn’t excuse his and the rest of bts ignorance
Sending you a virtual hug 😪♥️ as for black armys still calling Namjoon a black man, that joke is tired and weird imo. He hasn’t cosplayed a black man since debut. He’s only done antiblack/colorist things since then so it seems strange to still be calling him namarcus 🥴
Adeola Ash thank you💕. A lot of black army’s are also under the impression that he is aware of what he’s done but there’s proof that he’s only aware of one thing that he’s done I just wish that people held them accountable so that they can learn it’s honestly mostly the fans fault why they can get away with things like this because they are allowed too.
Armys when other artists does problematic things : *cancelled them in a second* If it's Bts : Noo they were young (ngga no lmao they are literally adults) , they are koreans they don't know what the word means ( smd ) , RM apologized ( you mean that sickass apology where he did not even admit that he said Nigga like more than 10 times? And imagine how many times he said it without getting caught in cameras...yikes)
I came here to educate myself on the problematic things they did and i didnt know abt most of these. why do armys always sweep everything under the rug? I got into a fight with a blink and then realised bp isnt the only problematic ones.
I’m black American, these things were shocking to hear about BTS. I would hate to be born in a homogenous country that only shows the bad stereotypes of black people or any other race other than their own. The saddest thing is the colorism they have among their own people.....even with a tan they are still not as dark as a caramel, brown skinned person. It’s really sad & weird to me that this definition of “dark” “black” is a tan bc they all are around the same skin tone either way in my opinion. Western - “I need a tan” Eastern - “I need to stay out the sun” As smart as RM is & how much he reads. As smart as all of them are they should really educate themselves especially when traveling to different countries. Read more into colorism, racism as they continue to grow. They all really look up to & admire RM (Namjoon) so hopefully he can shed light on his mistakes & the importance of this.
Korean skin stones can actually be quite dark. But in Korea ALL the photos and videos are filtered so that they look lighter, because colorism is such a s serious issue. Go and Google pictures of V without the whitewashed filters and you will see he is super dark.
I’ll never understand how you can build your entire career on black music and disrespect the people. I’m sorry but I can’t dismiss everything as ignorance they’re grown 😭 we do NOT know these people, a lot of K-pop idols are genuinely racist.
A lot of the comments here pretty much sum up exactly how I feel about cultural appropriation in general. When I got into BTS I created a Twitter fan account for the purpose of interacting with other African armies, and even joined several group chats on WhatsApp. But as time went on and conversations progressed, I noticed a lot of armies raising the flag of "cancellation" when a K-pop group does something disrespectful or insensitive towards another culture, but when it's BTS the excuses and blame shifting start pouring: It's not the boys' fault, their companies made them do it, it happened long ago and they apologized... Stuff like that. And if someone even dares disagree with the apologists mass they are getting cancelled too. I get that Armies and BTS went through a lot together, and more often than not the band received and is still receiving unwarranted hate, but when it comes to other cultures, when we raise our concerns it isn't to bash, and compromise their careers in any way. It is to make them aware of what is the problem, why it's a problem and why it should be resolved. If anything them acknowledging the issue raised, apologizing and genuinely getting educated towards the issue and make changes, is just gonna benefit them in the long run. And by apologizing I mean recognise what is it that you did wrong and express how sorry you are for it. It may just be my view, but most apologies first of all come from the companies (which just dissociates the perpetrator from the offence), and secondly when it's the member apologizing it is pretty vague, meanwhile the offense that happened was specific. Lastly to people of colour or people from the culture that was appropriated: just because you as an individual see nothing wrong with it, doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it.
@@AdeolaAsh it had to be said 🙌🏾 I love BTS, their music has been a safe haven in dark times for me, but turning a blind eye to wrongdoings isn’t gonna help anyone
I literally just became an army a month and a half ago but will be temporarily retiring that title because as a black person my first concern is my people and you’re right, when no ones holding them accountable and GENUINE apologies haven’t been given it’s very disheartening to see. I was really under the impression that they were different, but I shouldn’t have expected so much.
As a new army this is disheartening nd I feel like if ARMY truly love them then they should hold them accountable instead of making excuses. Them being held accountable is the only way the K-pop industry can be educated on this things, as a worldwide sensation they should really not have this thinking. For the black ARMY u should not be part of those making excuses for their wrong doing, our skin is beautiful nd we should not be receiving insults from the same people who use our music, style nd culture.
@@niamcmillan5006 I'm still an ARMY, but now that I've seen this I have to keep it in mind. I do see a lot of ARMYs defending them, especially Namjoon, but I think that some of us should speak out about this topic sometimes and really explain why it's a problem. We can still love the boys, but we need to hold them accountable for their mistakes.
I'm sorry for all my sister's and brothers who are black and like kpop.. we love you, and you colour is not "agressive" or "bad" no you colour is perfet and we love you and you should to, i'm so sorry that korean idols are not that much educated, i hope they can be better in the futur but it will never happen if people people continue to defend them at all costs as if it were nothing (sorry for my english i'm french)
Ton anglais est parfait les "army "qui continuent de les défendre pourtant ce sont pas des bébés ce sont des adultes ils savent ce qu'ils disent et font en tant que fille noire africaine de surcroît je savais qu'ils étaient problématique mais à ce point là 🙄
I think I got recommend this video bcuz of the Rm islamophobia/V n word situation. I din't realized bts is a racist colorist group. I loved jamming to their songs and watching funny bts clips but I'll step back in streaming them. Feels weird watching them now seeing the truth. Its not like I know them personally I only know their public persona. Thank you for showing the truth no matter how disappointing this is. Please keep this video up. Fans need to wake up!
they say the hate us. but love our music,culture,and fashion. its so odd. i wish those people who hated us would stop doing anything that was/created by black ppl
This video really brings you back down to earth and makes you realize that even your favorite celebrities/idols can make mistakes. As an African American, I'm heartbroken to see that BTS used to act this way, especially Namjoon, for I find him and Suga to be very inspiring for people struggling with mental health issues. I really hope that the BTS members really reflected on their past mistakes, and I wish that the majority of their fanbase would stop turning a blind eye to this kind of behavior. I love BTS too, but they are still people, not gods. They can mess up too.
Watch the whole video before commenting ❤️
2/27/20 Update- For the Armys harassing me on the basis of lies, here are timestamps of all the acknowledgements/apologies/statements:
2015 Namjoon interview 7:15
2017 Namjoon Vlive 13:19
2017 “Change your hair” interview 15:12
2018 Naega lyric press conference 15:41
2019 “But Namjoon” Persona MV reference 15:55
2020 Big Hit’s Jim Jones statement 16:53
I included *all* of the relevant acknowledgments/apologies/statements. There was nothing else for me to possibly add.
Check your anti-blackness for *once* in your life and stop defending the indefensible.
Is this a reupload?
Nah it’s new 💓
I didn’t know about all of this and it hurts but every time I see kpop idols doing something from other cultures like it’s normal. Hmmm idk when this is gonna change omg this hurts to see them behaving like this. These idols really need to be more educated. I hope idols really change their ways. I’m sad but really disappointed and mad.
Honestly I am reconsidering being an Army. I feel stupid because I just bought a good amount of merch, and I stream their music like crazy.
Thank you for this video
him doing “black english” is equivalent to someone saying “cHinG cHoNg” and calling it a chinese impression
And the that’s when all the kpop stand are gonna get mad but won’t notice the other things they’re did or have been doing
that is all kinds of f-dd up!
Ikr!
@@cpr2125 so true!
@@cpr2125 fr
What I really noticed was that the reason why Namjoon used the black hairstyles was to look more aggressive and furious. Black hairstyles aren't meant to give off that look. SO many cultures have taken a glance at black culture and then identify it as something "ghetto" or "aggressive". It's honestly sad. I don't wear braids to look like that, I wear braids because it protects my hair and makes it easy to manage. So when people identity our culture that way it's really upsetting.
Exactly. My 4c hair is not aggressive. That's the way it grows out of my head
Girl same. Something that is beautiful and meant as a means for us to protect and grow our hair is being used as an "aesthetic" for other races while they continuously put us down. Smh
totally agree, this be a whole new side to them I wasn't prepared for but kinda knew was there, deep deep in my soul.
Hmmmhm that link between heir texture and aggression isn’t one I’ve noticed before but… yeah that fits 🤯
I’m glad you pointed it out
Please never take this video down, this is the only comprehensive one I've seen talking about this issue. I've been an ARMY for a long time but this is the only time I've heard of these statements, and more people need to know and hold them accountable
“If you want to be a global artist you have to be sensitive to a global audience” WORDS!!
That will never happen as long as their world tours they exclude Africa,
@@emmahwasilwa758the world would probably end before a single kpop artist performs in Africa 😭
You don’t have to be black to understand that this is really messed up
I agree this is really offensive and I’m surprise they continue to get away with this. Sadly you’re consider bottom feeders being a dark skinned asian in Asia it’s not just blacks. This is an ignorant and insensitive issue and just saying it’s a cultural difference is an excuse.
Fr
its honestly funny how bts actually never apologized for this. and armies are going around saying that bts have apologized with no absolute proof whatsoever. their fans would literally do anything to make them look innocent. why cant they just accept the fucking truth. and plus, their fandom is hella toxic.
@@de12ik we are black PEOPLE! Not blacks
@@de12ik I agree, I’ve had conversations with very darker skinned asians, and there experience break my heart. It’s really sad
It’s funny how people say they’ve apologised, and then their evidence is Namjoon’s new year’s resolution in which he didn’t even say the word ‘sorry’.
Being Asian myself, the comments that BTS have said in the past is nothing new unfortunately. In most Asian culture, tanned/dark skin was seen as “ugly” and has been labeled as the “lower class people”. My family and relatives have make these types of comments towards me and other people within our family members and friends, commenting on skin tone, style, language, etc. My mom always commented on my skin, saying I was getting darker and darker. I was even given bleaching soap to brighten my skin. I got into BTS recently this year, and I have notice plenty comments and styles have done that involved colorist/racist/appropriating remarks. I’m not too sure where to stay in this situation, but I am glad this video is out to educate those who need to see the problem when incorporating Black culture into music/style within the KPop industry. I just genuinely hope BTS can somehow open up to this situation and take fault of their mistakes and comments.
Same. I'm a Filipino, when I was younger, I really like staying out in the sun playing with friends. One time I stayed at the beach for hours just playing... My skin got really dark because of that, mom told me that I look prettier when I was whiter.
yes :( this is sad
What kind of mother you have who pass comments on her daughter's skin
Sorry about all that
Everyone’s skin color is beautiful no matter what people
everyone is obsessed with us but hates us at the same time and it’s getting weird.
Literally wtf
I love black people. They are always so nice. I'm from Pakistan.
It's been weird😩
tbh 🙄
Right bruh
I'm tired of people pretending that BTS is perfect. They did wrong stuff and we need to hold them accountable rather than defend them. They are grown men
There not perfect no one is
For most of us we know they are not perfect.. we may say they are as an expression like "awwww he's perfect " but we all know they are not
not me thinking she was gunna stop at 2015 💀💀
💀💀💀💀
same 😭
Girl you and me both 😩😂
Me too especially the fact that I joined the fandom in 2017
deadass. when she kept on going i was shook asf. sadly i'm not surprised. as a black girl, this type of shit doesn't faze me anymore.
as a korean, this is just not right. As much as I support BTS, they should know better. I'm really sorry to all the people offended, this is not all koreans. Once again I'm truly sorry.
Netflix or HBO need to do a documentary about racism and black culture appropriation in K-pop music. More people need to be aware of this major problem.
hopefully they will they pretty versatile it's also politics too.
being a black bts stan or just a poc kpop stan is difficult.
Ye same
It’s literally tiring
Ik
No it’s okay, emphasize black.
stacii. Exactly.
I'm not black. But this was seriously sooo disrespectful on many levels and I feel they need to take accountability and educate themselves.
Same. I am not black either but cultural appropriation is too much. They stole so much and did so many offensive things
@kimh.8176 even newjeans keep on stealing the y2k black fashion and everyone is praising them for their so called "unique " fashion taste in kpop which is the black rnb 2000s fashion 🫥
I’m not even black but I’m really sick and tired of this amount of racism and cultural appropriation.I’m an ARMY but still I can not ignore the things they’ve done.I still love them so much, but they should learn and apologize.
I just joined the Fandom recently..I'm a black girl. I don't even know what to say 🥺
Then why still be an “army” if you can’t stand and are sick of their actions. Tbvfh y’all supporting them makes them think that whatever they do is fine and will not be held accountable for that.
@@swan6232 I'm honestly shocked and don't know what to do now.
@@Coolcatz. I mean she literally said in the beginning she doesn't mean to hold this over them for years but just bringing it to light. We held them accountable and now they stay in their lane 🤷🏽♀️ her bringing it up is pretty much to say they're not innocent and haven't apologized and we shouldn't treat them as if they haven't done anything wrong. At least that's how I see it. I always hold them accountable but I don't hold situations over their heads when they've stopped the behavior.
@@swan6232 stop obsessing over people that don’t respect you
What’s so annoying for me is I feel like I can’t enjoy anything... The question is always lingering... ☹️ Thanks for the chronological timeline though, it puts it into greater perspective.
Same chile 😪
I don't know if I should be a fan anymore. This put things into perspective for me. Everytime I feel so much faith some stuff just happen and it's not like you can get the message to them because some ignorant fans will attack " without thinking"
A real fan holds their favs accountable, not defend them. Don't call yourself an army if you're sending Adeola hate for spreading the truth.
no. real PEOPLE leave. you are all colorist & racist undercover.
@@streamonika6059 does that mean you defend black pinks actions? 😭
@@streamonika6059 REAL people call someone out for something they did wrong. Stop defending grown people for their actions.
@@streamonika6059 i see u everywhere
People who send hate for those who are saying the truth, normally are the same people who can't deal with reality check 🙂🙃🖤🦋
Some of y’all armys need treat bts the same way y’all treat other groups when it comes to racism in kpop,like when a idol gets called out for something they did in the past y’all want to attack them and send threats and drag them and stuff but when someone brings up something bts did in the past y’all get so defensive and only one member apologize and namjoon apology really wasn’t a apology where did you guys once heard “I’m sorry” y’all just took that as a apology to excuse them for what they did back then and to excuse them now today
yes i agree
namjoon didnt even say what he was sorry for
Tbh, I feel like some armies (who are obsessive) attack other groups like blackpink, mamamoo, twice etc for being racist but don't acknowledge what their own idols did. Don't get me wrong what all of the other groups did was also racist and is bad. Holding them accountable should be first than excusing them because they are good looking.
@@jigglemaster8000 girl rm isn't even good looking 💀. And the fact that he had the audacity to comment on other peoples looks
Army, lets not defend them when they make a mistake. Hold them accountable. Even if u love them so much, please correct them if they’re wrong. Lets mass email to big hit and tell them to make BTS apologize properly.
We should def email Bighit about this! BTS has to be held accountable for these disgusting statements!
i'm not against them apologizing, but i don't understand how "making them apologize" would do anything. if it isn't from them i'm not sure it actually means anything
the fact is that non-black armys on twitter are defending them-💀
OMG RIGHT. I've seen some black armys on twitter defend them too, and it's a shame. it's like we're not allowed to be offended because other black armys feel like bts has changed and grown from their mistakes, so that means we're supposed to feel the same way too. And don't even get me started on the double standards some armys have when it comes to bts and other kpop groups who do cultural appropriation or just something problematic in general...
I’m not black but this is facts and I’ve been saying this for years, but a lot of army will bash people if we say something like this but when it comes to other kpop groups they wanna be a hypocrite
they’re so disgusting, people go to any length to defend their favs despite black armys/people and native american armys/people have expressed how offended by are by it.
naw im a black army and i defended them for a long time. now my eyes are more opened and i have second thoughts
Disgusting
the fact none of them even addressed the situation very clearly and apoligized personally till now , is a huge step back for me. Racism is not a joke, they've done so many fouls yet no apologies till now.
also wanna bring up that "kidnapping" prank they did to the boys on american hustle life, and how they used big black men for it and had them act super aggressive-
I know, it didn’t sit right with me at all because doesn’t that like just prove there point on black stereotypes?
That show was a whole ass mess tbh
Hungryyy Boi fr, i tried watching it but didn’t get much past the first episode-
That was not BTS fault on American hustle life.
that was rlly shitty but i dont think the actual members had any control over that but it still sucked
i feel like the whole kpop industry needs to be taught on black and native american culture and south asian culture for gg because they are the main ones to be affected. i’m glad bts have learned some things but clearly they need to be taught more on native american culture and also more in detail about cultural appropriation of black culture.
I agree
Also anti semetidm
*"a man will never grow up, if the people around him justify his toxic behaviour"* .... Think about this for a second
Armys always justify/ defend their wrong actions 🫠not all armys but some armys are insane . ( I’m an army btw )
This video should have Korean subtitles.
i want bts to watch this
@@soupafleyeThey wouldn’t care. They’ll call everyone a hater or irrelevant behind closed doors.
@@hellopumpkin86 ikr. They literally think so high of themselves
But poor hobi tho. So many people called him 'tanned' 'Ugly' but he would just laugh it off
Exactly, no wonder he was packing on sunscreen trying to avoid tanning 😭
The comments made by RM and others about Hobi's color hit my heart and I felt so much sorrow for him. I'm sure he was hurt but what was he going to say?
@@AdeolaAsh lmao thiss
@@AdeolaAsh naurrr, i don't really stan bts but omg thats so messed up wtf
Nah he still used the gel twists. I'm not going to give him a pass.
In asian culture, being darker than others is seen as a bad thing. It doesn't matter whether you are south asian or east asian, colourism exists and its extremely hurtful. its also offensive to black people as it is as if you're degrading not only your own race, but another race too.
TF?
Yep.. It's true.. Dark skinned people to them are low class and from a third world country, yet some of them likes to be tanned as shit
True that.. Southeast and South Asians are looked down in East Asian countries.. Even if you're a Native East Asian, if you're dark.. You'll get bullied
@@f4iry175 Yes it's true
Im saying this as an asian myself
Asia Is obbesesd with white skin and this all happened after white people invaded asia
As an Asian, I can relate.
Damn. When namjoon said when he first saw v and jhope, he couldn’t see them cause they were to black, i was deeply hurt by that.
Isn’t he the main wannabe rapper?? This is funny because he tries to be black so bad.💀
Yep
Fr as a black girl myself I knew that Rm was problematic but I never knew this 😢
I don’t mind if people keep stanning bts or just a problematic group. As long as you keep them accountable. The problem is there’s too many kpop fans that when their faves do something it’s fine but when another group does something they are so quick to cancel and bully
EXACTLY
yes! i wish a lot of non-black kpop stans and white kpop stans ACTUALLY listen to poc when they say a group/idol has done something
OMG IKR! I’m a Kpop fan myself but I can’t stand it when other netizens will try to give their favorite idol or group a pass when they do something insensitive, yet will have no problem dragging a western celebrity for the same thing 😒
It may sound dumb but I would’ve never imagined them to discriminate/ be racist against other skin colors. Was blindsided since the media portrays them as perfect or great human beings as a fellow fan it’s good to know.
You're right
Most of the armys are just experts at covering their idols fault
FR
Great artists. Not good HUMANS. Two aren't related. But they're from sk why would you even think they wouldn't.
@@randomlyswatching9481 well said
Don't care if they're one of the biggest bands in the world and have hit songs, racism is not tolerated.
True
ONE DIRECTION IS THE REAL BIGGEST BANDD FOR ME
@@zanchielgame2512 yes.
True.
@@zanchielgame2512 ??
I’m a BTS stan, and I believe this is unacceptable behavior. They need to denounce all of these past statements. How ignorant. I’m disappointed. I’m so disappointed.
Same
I agree
I just recently got into bts and watching this broke my heart ahhh
Then why are you still a “stan”. Stop “stanning” them and watch how they get everything in order. Lol. Mofos are addicted to getting more and more fame no matter the cost.
I’ve been an army for 10 months but no one told me about this. I just hope they apologise and learn from their mistakes.
Bts out here talking about "Stop Asian Racism" while still not apologized for being hella racist, colorist & insensitive towards the cultures and skin tone of most of their fans. As an ex-army (yes because there's no way I keep listening to their music now) I'm so disappointed.
Its hard to watch a video like this as an african american girl who has spent 5 years supporting this group. However, it is important to acknowledge the truth. I believe I have likely expected too much out of a group of young korean men raised in a culture that likely doesn’t prioritize black rights, let alone the specific struggles and issues regarding colorism and cultural appropriation. Its saddening but i guess we have to accept things aren’t right in order to change them.
I guess I’ll have to figure out how i want to interact with the group from now on
Same I feel somewhat uncomfortable listening to there music now☹️
I never understood the meaning “ truth hurts” until I watched this video😢
I know right🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I don't understand why skin colour is so big deal. Every skin colour was a masterpiece
It’s a big deal to people who hate it. You are right, I don’t know why or how black skin became such a big deal to white people but they sure hated it now the world keeps repeating how unpretty it is. It’s messed up for the people who have the black skin color- like me-, what can we do?
Bruh!! Same, I for one's don't even like the term Black and White used on ppl. how can you call someone Black,white, brown, yellow etc. When a person's skin tone or shade is literally neither white nor black . Calling ppl shades and colours are cringy Af.
Egh. Even Tae was cringing at 4:58- this was beyond embarrassing 🥴
So he associates 4c hair with looking “ aggressive “ ? How is that not racist ass hell ?! My natural hair is NOT aggressive and non black people saying the n word is VERY offensive.
Idk why but I feel like BTS will never apologize for this, whenever someone tries to talk about this, many armys just show up to call that person a hater and give some stupid excuses saying Namjoon already apologized, every human makes mistakes so we should just forgive them and many other stuffs, like seriously?? I know every human makes mistakes but what's wrong in accepting and apologizing for that mistake??
And BTS weren't 10 y/o old kids with absolutely no idea when they did these shamfull stuffs, they kept reapeating the same mistakes so many times and still some fans think they didn't had any idea
The media and fans shows them as perfect people, fans treat them like gods so very few amount of people know about this side of BTS, these fans are seriously experts at hiding their idol's fault and defending them blindly
And it's sad to know that some armys in this comment section are just pretending to accept their idols fault but in reality they don't even care about this!
Yess... I definitely think they would not apologize. They are big and why tf would they apologize? They never cared about this. They know it's wrong but they still said. People make excuses so that they can still be entertained. Not only they are all experts but malicious liars too.
they won’t apologize bc they’re fans don’t care just like them.
funny how people say black music when the entire music industry is black music.. y’all don’t hear Beethoven on the radio or nothin 😹😹
What’s crazy is did you hear that some people think Beethoven might have been Black? There are articles on it, analyzing his portraits and possible lineage. Wild
@@AdeolaAsh oh wow that's really interesting :D
BTS are one of my ultimate groups and i won't unstan them, but that doesn't mean that we can't hold them accountable everytime they do wrong actions. They are already adults and they should know what is wrong and what is right, defending them doesn't help them to learn from their actions at all.
Agreed.
the fact that there is a 17 minute video about this and still got away with everything. yea, life really is unfair
I’m sorry but it’s really no wonder Taehyung’s complexion has gotten so much lighter over the years. They’re literally constantly pointing out his darker skin tone...
He is still very tan with his beautiful honey skin. But Kpop whitewashes them a lot for tv/pictures/mvs. People that see them in person say that they're more tan in person. They said that their real skin color is best seen in the Norton Graham interview.
Keep the real skin tone
He's actually still tanned, especially during sunnier and warmer times of the year. But he unfortunately gets white washed a lot in pictures, music videos, etc.
Thing is, so many other idols are white washed just like him and it sucks. Like I honestly thought that was his skin tone getting into BTS just last year and I was so shocked to find out his skin is actually tanned
I know..
This was three months ago, how come I haven’t seen people talk about it. As an army they need to be hold accountable and this needs to be talked about
@Moon Light yeah it’s disgusting
They won't the only time they'll things accountable is when is racist to bts or disrespect them.
Yeah armys are ignorants 🙄
@@Dred0n true
As an Black fan of theirs, I still want an apology. Idc if these events happened years ago. We can’t sit here and call out everyone else for being racist when we don’t even hold our own favs accountable. Also non-black armies need to realize that they can’t speak for others in every situation. They shouldn’t tell us that we shouldn’t be offended, because it IS offensive. If they can donate to BLM and others like that, they can apologize appropriately to the black or any other POC (they offended) fans who support them.
they only donated cause they were being pressured LMAO
an apology wouldn't even matter at this point, they're clearly aren't regretful of what they've done
@@susanaalvarez9168 yeah it would’ve ruined their image too😭
@@AoiZassoOFCL yes
@@susanaalvarez9168 yes too
The fact that some of y’all didn’t know this side of bts is crazy. I don’t blame you tho, the second some one brings it up, they are now a “hater”
Right like I love them but that doesn't mean that everything they do is right. Fans treat them like God nowadays. They should be hold accountable when they do something wrong
I swear I have many army friends but no one told me about this. The person who points something out is a hater according to them.
No cuz I’ve been stanning them for a while and I had not a lick of knowledge that they’ve done this, ofc I’ve seen several pictures of Hobi with twists. But them saying the n word was beyond my knowledge. I’m not going to unstan them because a lot of idols have made mistakes years back and has gotten better, but they really need to own up to their mistakes
I seriously had no idea and it's actually disappointing...I'm an army and it hurts me to say this but I won't defend them for this
Namjoons “black English” was so damn cringe
Lmao look at taehyungs reaction
I don't understand how people can dislike this video. It's the truth. They said all those things🙄
I feel like they haven't changed at all, but rather they decided not to say such statements in front of the cameras.
As black girl who just became an Army, I'm deeply hurt. I've been showing my full support for these guys🥺
My black skin is beautiful and my Hair is not aggressive!!!!✊🏾
Correct!
✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿 we are Beautiful
i think most ppl are misunderstanding the point of this vid. Their (sorry idk the uploader's pronouns) intention wasnt to make ppl dislike, hate, or unstan BTS as a whole. I, myself, don't even know half of these problematic actions that theyve done, which says alot abt our fandom's skills at sweeping stuff under the rug. I love bts with my whole heart bcoz theyve helped me mentally and emotionally, and joon is like my main bias, and I am aware of the offenses he has done in the past, but not his other actions, so this vid is actually a great way for non-black stans to be fully educated on something theyve always been ignoring. And it sucks becoz they tend to ignore these actions in order to promote this sort of "perfect," "woke," and "intellectual" image on BTS, when clearly, theyve done soooooo much crap too, yet that doesnt necessarily take away their impact and artistry towards the world. There is so much more than kpop and sitting one's ass all day defending racism disguised as ignorance. Im a poc, and tbh, our schools dont really educate us abt black culture, but that shouldnt prevent one from trying to research and educate themselves. BTS arent bad people, bcoz they clearly have respect for their fans and artistry, but those arent enough to mask their problematic wrongdoings. Stan bts, but make sure to hold them accountable everytime they screw up. It shouldnt be that difficult to protect and stand up for black people, if u ignore the problem instead, its time 2 do some self evaluation lmao
Oh and to add up, stan twt needs to stop using these conflicts as a vehicle to promote which is group is more problematic than the other. Like some of yall really dont care abt black people and just want to take these as chances to further stir up more conflicts instead of properly educating each other and its all fucking sickening.
Exactly
I mean how can u hear about all of this and still like them...
Yes
"Love yourself", they said :(
Lol 😂 I've forgot about that
I just bought their damn love yourself hoodie too 🤦🏾♀️
@@teddybear5377 Them t-shirts and hoodies be expensive to girl😅 I hope you cancelled that order😂
The 3.8k dislikes... some armies cant handle the truth tbh
its 4.7k dislikes now
5.1k dislikes now
90% of these were namjoon...
That legit hurts me.
I feel u sis
The leader of the group. A shame.
I wonder if Namjoon still is doing this behaviour now.
especially because we see him as the 'comfort member' in the fandom. we talk about how his words are so comforting but don't want to talk about the words that aren't.
Im not gonna lie this almost made me cry because of the fact that im a black girl with darker skin and to see people that i say that i love to listen to and i listen to everyday talk about darker skin/black people like this hurts alot 😞 and im honestly very disappointed in them
Same☹️
Excatly
Same sis, i know what you feel like
you can see the other members feel uncomfortable when he does the “black english” especially taehyung 😕
The whole music indursty is build on black music without us yall would still be listening to classical music its digusting how people still treat us like this and make of fun us and use our culture :( im hurt man i really like bts but idk anymore. Edit: i saw comment saying that alot of black classical music was destroyed and black people were involved with it so there wouldn’t be any music without us.
100% about the music industry- I had to lay it out for the nonblacks though because you know they love to say with appropriation “other races do that”, when in reality these Kpop idols are quite literally mimicking Black culture. And ya, the prejudice is disgusting 😞😪 sending you love and support ♥️
@@AdeolaAsh ty u too
@Mariah&WhitneyLamb YES
Take away black culture, and they would have no careers to start with.
Imma unstan
My heart clenches when people laugh at the "black english" like wth is so funny? Nothing it's the way that a whole culture speaks. I am not african american, I am mexican, but I understand and empathyze with you, it felt so hurtful to see that for some reason. As a fan this must be si hard to cope with
We don’t all speak a certain way, but they are mocking how a large group of Black people speak.
Yeah, I'm from Brazil and super empatize with this. Everyone speaks different. They keep mocking the way black americans talk, but I am sure if someone mocked the way they talk, like saying tha all asians sound the same and blablabla, they would definitely be offended.
Right? I’m Mexican and ppl laughed at me because of the accent or because I was struggling to find the words to talk and it started making me upset, can’t imagine how black kpop fans feel after being mocked not only by the way they talk but also by the way they look.( Black ppl in general tho)
I was also surprised that they were laughing he promised not to do it in the future but when the future becomes the present he kept on doing the same thing painful 😔😔😔😔
@@thairinefarias4052 yeah, that's the problem
ARMYs cancelling other kpop groups saying they are racist just because they hate them but when it comes to bts being racist they suddenly become blind
no seriously. i’m all for holding groups accountable but tbfh no kpop fandom actually cares about this they just weaponize it into something to use against other fandoms… and that goes to A LOT of ARMYs on twitter. the moment you mention what their own group has done suddenly it doesn’t matter because it’s old.
Exactly
No black/brown person was included in the life goes on army version. Not even a single clip. Is army not all about loving yourself and being diverse ?
calling out someone doesn't mean you don't love them, truth fucking hurts and the boys and company should be accountable with their mistakes.
BTS NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE FOR HURTING BLACK PEOPLE. Even if they are the biggest group they don't have any right to make fun of culture and people. They should apologize. I just hope ARMY will trend it in every social media platform
2 years flash forward: armys don't hold their favs accountable and nothing changed. this is the industry and everyone is okay with it which is pretty messed up
I'm not gonna lie I am having conflicted feelings right now. Especially since I am a huge BTS stan but also a proud Maori girl. When you admire someone so much its blinding and sad because I've seen that clip with Jimin "roasting" RM saying he looks like a Maori chief. And my first reaction was "oh my god, he knows what Maori is that's so cool" but now its like "oh, that's what he meant." It's like a wake up call. It's infuriating when your culture and people are being disrespected especially when it's for the skin tone you wear.
That's terrible and it's true they need to be held accountable. This is why I left kpop
I mean, you can still Stan kpop groups as long as fans hold the idols accountable. Sadly, the ARMY doesn't do that too often which can lead to controversy. Idols aren't you're friends and you shouldn't protect them if they've done something wrong.
We are the blueprint. The world would be so boring without us yet we’re so under appreciated
PERIOD!!
True! Greetings dear ❤️
True
Honestly being an ARMY, I feel ashamed and disappointed when BTS have done such disgusting things without apologising.
Why don’t they apologise?😭
Cause they don't care, sadly
i feel like bts still haven’t fully grasped what’s considered racist or not i think they just know not to say the nword 🚶🏽♀️
I’m not black but this still hurts to watch.I love black people,they’re so nice.
Mhm like the audacity...😐
the amount of dislikes is so weird to me like just hold ur favs accountable that’s it
My feelings towards BTS is kinda weird now...
Honestly Same! I can't really look at them the same way. They were my heart!!! And now it feels like they're "complete strangers" instead of those boys I fell in love with 5 yrs ago. I literally can't!!! 💔
I'm actually really glad that this video was made because it brings light to how much Kpop uses black culture for there own use. I love BTS but they need to be accountable and acknowledge there wrong doings to how the interpreted black culture.
yes i agree with this
In terms of BTS making an apology, anyone can put together a few words and call it an apology. Then turn around and continue doing exactly what they were before.
Yes it seems like they've changed a tiny bit since some of this stuff has happened, but it doesn't feel like they've truly understood what they did wrong. Honestly to me it feels like a toddler stopped trying to stick a fork in a socket, simply because you told him not to. They don't really get it.
They DO get it they don't care about no racism unless it's about asian/korean people.
Not NamJoon with 4c hair 😭
🥴🥴😭😭 cringy
@@minenhlekhazi3312 right 😭😭😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😆😭😭😭😭
Just as Asians have been discriminated against, they should KNOW better. Without Black culture there would be NO K-pop!! This saddens me to no end.
bts never apologized for saying the n word yet they get a pass for it? ppl lypsync to then n word and get cancelled while they get away with it. biggest boy band in the world or not, u cant deny that they never apologized
How is no one talking about the fact that jimin said the n word waaaay too comfortably
American Hustle Life was so cringe, especially the beginning. This is very educating and eye opening to someone like me who is white. It's a good reminder that BTS aren't perfect human beings and that they still have a lot to learn and improve on(and their fans of course). I hope that things that happen like this in the future that they are held accountable. And that fans will come together and point it out to them instead of arguing about it.
so those armys in twitter were lying… that wasn’t an apology, that was a FREAKING NEW YEARS RESOLUTION, when did he even highlight the racism part?
He didn't.
i literally had to turn off my volume when namjoon spoke in his ‘accent’ ,, wtf :(?
I know. I had to skip that part because I just could not watch it. Listening to it made me cringe
SAME!!! I couldn't even look at the screen, had to skip over it! The cringe !😧
same
It’s crazy how I got dragged for calling out the kkamdongie situation when it came to light again and Army’s cover it up by saying Jimin was calling Jungkook black in a cute way like a black puppy. Pure bullshit
BLACK IN A CUTE WAY💀I am dead I have heard it all
AINT NO WAY-💀 they will do anything to keep bts’s reputation clean it’s insane😭
Lmao they always defend their favs . I got into fights with armys for pointing out their wrongdoings 🫠🫠😭
as a native american person who used to look up to yoongi a lot it rlly hurt to see him say that about our culture. i’m glad you made this video so now people can finally hold them accountable for these disgusting things that they have said and done.
RACISM SHOULDN'T BE NORMALISED!!!
I hope BTS apologize and educate themselves, now they're grown ass men.
ARMYs should stop defending and hold them accountable!
Wow. I have no words. Hurt is an understatement. As a Kenyan black girl, I'm deeply saddened. I feel like I've wasted 3 years of my life. I wish they knew how much of an impact they have on people especially us youngsters. I truly hope and pray that they realize their mistakes. My opinion, I'm taking a break from K-pop. My fellow black queens and other poc beauties, keep your head up high. Love you guys and thanks Adeola Ash for shedding light on this. Love you.
same this honestly really hurt me because i felt as if they were my escape and my comfort. People that were always there for me through anything. It just hurts honestly and i just want escape from all this hatred people have for us.
:((
pink heart is a black girl group u should see, they are beautiful and talented,
Me too
I'm South Africa and I feel you
I'm a Kenyan too and I'm literally in tears
Army calling out Grammy's for being Racist and choose to ignore these kind of shit BTS do.
Fr
RM couldn’t find Tae and J-Hope when it was dark? Seriously? This is so racist and insulting. EVERY skin colour is beautiful. Let’s make the world a better place!
more colourist than racist actually. but i’m not surprised as someone who lives in asia colourism is EXTREMELY prevalent here and my own relatives have made fun of me for being tanned
BTS were also not so white when they were young. As you know Koreans love skin care. And they applied many things on their faces for whitening
@@clarajones9476 it’s extremely common in K-Pop due to Korean beauty standards and the country being over 90% ethnically Korean; it happened A LOT to Kai from EXO and pretty much everyone poked fun at it in his immediate circle, including my faves Taemin and Key from SHINee. It’s incredibly frustrating. But yeah, none of these moments surprise me.
People in Asia (specially East Asia) are extremely colourist. Even if the person is slightly tanned, they would come and make fun of them. The worst part is that i can't blame bts in the beggining cuz they grew up in this awful social environment (not only about the skin tone but also fat shaming). That doesn't mean that it's okay, they have to educate themselves more and apologize for their past actions. I grew up in a country with similar believes and i did some sh't without knowing it but i educated myself. I know it's hard to identify sth that it's so deep in your culture but It's extremely necessary.
@@angie-iy4by absolutely😩
I'm so sorry for all the black army community whatching this video but yes this is the reality not only in k pop industry but all around the world but be proud of your skin always remember that black people's are the most beautiful in the world lightskin or darkskin don't change for no one if they don't like you don't mind they will never understand how special you are and last never forget this word's :Black's power, pro melanin, black don't crack.
Yes this is true
RM is the darkest member but yet he is the one mocking others for being dark! Is he OK? Plus they are talking like dark skin is a disease or something.
I've been into Kpop for about a year and it's sad that black Kpop fans can't enjoy something without one of their favorite groups or idols doing something wrong. I been knew about BTS and their past just by the research I have done but gave them a chance because I do enjoy their music and like their personalities. Do I feel BTS has changed like ARMYs love to claim? No. Now that they are bigger, they have to watch their words and be more careful. My main issue is with the fandom because they love to attack other groups for being problematic or racist yet let someone call out BTS on their shitty past, they will make excuses and sweep it under the rug. They want to act like BTS is woke when none of these Kpop groups are woke. I see it on Twitter and even on TH-cam and it's annoying. The reality is that Kpop as a whole is very problematic and fans love to pick and choose on who's more problematic and who gets a pass. That's why I just tune in for the music because none of the groups we like are innocent. Sad but true.
This is how I feel too... I love BTS but man I cringe so hard seeing these clips or even watching their older MVs. I knew about the bulk of these things. They do a lot of good and I give people the space to learn and grow but that doesn't mean I'll say they're perfect unproblematic kings, they're human and humans make mistakes. I'm sure they're all genuinely sweet people who have good hearts but they can make mistakes just like anyone else. Calling them out for something doesn't mean you hate them... I love so many Kpop groups but I'm getting sick of the cycle of do the problematic thing then apologize. I can forgive some ignorance of course, I don't know everything about every culture but when people from that culture speak up - LISTEN TO THEM!! This isn't a Kpop only thing either, I'm living in the US and we do it here too... it happens everywhere it really needs to stop.
A girl group called little mix is a feminist, anti racist girl group in uk .they have been together for almost 10 yrs. You can check them out if u want
@@saphiyathr513 l love little mix ❤
@@saphiyathr513 They deserve to be so much more successful.
"Do I feel BTS has changed like ARMYs love to claim? No. Now that they are bigger, they have to watch their words and be more careful." I agree with this so hard. It weirds me out how after american hustle life (where they were mentored by black people) they still chose to make colourist/anti-black statements. Makes me feel like the only reason why they don't make those comments anymore is bc they are trying to please their intl fanbase.
Ngl this kind of put me in a depressive state to see this side of them. I know they’ve done some good things like donate to BLM and all but it’s still heartbreaking. I know Korea is very ignorant towards black people and not to mention colourist because the desired skin tone is pale white BTS grew up around those same exposers yes they are coming it America more often and going travelling but the world is just unfair and cruel to us especially on how we’re portrayed and I know BTS isn’t perfect, their humans but it’s still sad to see how dismissive(if this is the right word to use) they still are, but thank you so much for making this video and bringing light to this and I know that black army’s have a running joke that Namjoon is a “black man” and all but it doesn’t excuse his and the rest of bts ignorance
Sending you a virtual hug 😪♥️ as for black armys still calling Namjoon a black man, that joke is tired and weird imo. He hasn’t cosplayed a black man since debut. He’s only done antiblack/colorist things since then so it seems strange to still be calling him namarcus 🥴
I guess they still joke about him being black because of his blaccent 😭💀
Adeola Ash thank you💕. A lot of black army’s are also under the impression that he is aware of what he’s done but there’s proof that he’s only aware of one thing that he’s done I just wish that people held them accountable so that they can learn it’s honestly mostly the fans fault why they can get away with things like this because they are allowed too.
Exactly
You realized that even after the apology, Joon kept doing some wrong things? Seriously, he didn't change.
It wasn’t even a apology 🧍♀️
what did he even do after ?
Because he meant what he said, they don’t care they will still have fans.
I'm disappointed in RM the most cus i thought he was the least ignorant.
Let me see someone pull the "they apologized" card.
Armys when other artists does problematic things : *cancelled them in a second*
If it's Bts : Noo they were young (ngga no lmao they are literally adults) , they are koreans they don't know what the word means ( smd ) , RM apologized ( you mean that sickass apology where he did not even admit that he said Nigga like more than 10 times? And imagine how many times he said it without getting caught in cameras...yikes)
THIS
:)))
I came here to educate myself on the problematic things they did and i didnt know abt most of these.
why do armys always sweep everything under the rug? I got into a fight with a blink and then realised bp isnt the only problematic ones.
I’m black American, these things were shocking to hear about BTS. I would hate to be born in a homogenous country that only shows the bad stereotypes of black people or any other race other than their own. The saddest thing is the colorism they have among their own people.....even with a tan they are still not as dark as a caramel, brown skinned person. It’s really sad & weird to me that this definition of “dark” “black” is a tan bc they all are around the same skin tone either way in my opinion.
Western - “I need a tan”
Eastern - “I need to stay out the sun”
As smart as RM is & how much he reads. As smart as all of them are they should really educate themselves especially when traveling to different countries. Read more into colorism, racism as they continue to grow. They all really look up to & admire RM (Namjoon) so hopefully he can shed light on his mistakes & the importance of this.
Korean skin stones can actually be quite dark. But in Korea ALL the photos and videos are filtered so that they look lighter, because colorism is such a s serious issue. Go and Google pictures of V without the whitewashed filters and you will see he is super dark.
funny how a lot of armys love to cancel other groups, but forget to look at bts' own mistakes
I’ll never understand how you can build your entire career on black music and disrespect the people. I’m sorry but I can’t dismiss everything as ignorance they’re grown 😭 we do NOT know these people, a lot of K-pop idols are genuinely racist.
A lot of the comments here pretty much sum up exactly how I feel about cultural appropriation in general. When I got into BTS I created a Twitter fan account for the purpose of interacting with other African armies, and even joined several group chats on WhatsApp.
But as time went on and conversations progressed, I noticed a lot of armies raising the flag of "cancellation" when a K-pop group does something disrespectful or insensitive towards another culture, but when it's BTS the excuses and blame shifting start pouring: It's not the boys' fault, their companies made them do it, it happened long ago and they apologized... Stuff like that.
And if someone even dares disagree with the apologists mass they are getting cancelled too.
I get that Armies and BTS went through a lot together, and more often than not the band received and is still receiving unwarranted hate, but when it comes to other cultures, when we raise our concerns it isn't to bash, and compromise their careers in any way. It is to make them aware of what is the problem, why it's a problem and why it should be resolved. If anything them acknowledging the issue raised, apologizing and genuinely getting educated towards the issue and make changes, is just gonna benefit them in the long run.
And by apologizing I mean recognise what is it that you did wrong and express how sorry you are for it. It may just be my view, but most apologies first of all come from the companies (which just dissociates the perpetrator from the offence), and secondly when it's the member apologizing it is pretty vague, meanwhile the offense that happened was specific.
Lastly to people of colour or people from the culture that was appropriated: just because you as an individual see nothing wrong with it, doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it.
It’s the way you spilled!✨
@@AdeolaAsh it had to be said 🙌🏾
I love BTS, their music has been a safe haven in dark times for me, but turning a blind eye to wrongdoings isn’t gonna help anyone
I literally just became an army a month and a half ago but will be temporarily retiring that title because as a black person my first concern is my people and you’re right, when no ones holding them accountable and GENUINE apologies haven’t been given it’s very disheartening to see. I was really under the impression that they were different, but I shouldn’t have expected so much.
As a new army this is disheartening nd I feel like if ARMY truly love them then they should hold them accountable instead of making excuses. Them being held accountable is the only way the K-pop industry can be educated on this things, as a worldwide sensation they should really not have this thinking.
For the black ARMY u should not be part of those making excuses for their wrong doing, our skin is beautiful nd we should not be receiving insults from the same people who use our music, style nd culture.
@@niamcmillan5006 I'm still an ARMY, but now that I've seen this I have to keep it in mind. I do see a lot of ARMYs defending them, especially Namjoon, but I think that some of us should speak out about this topic sometimes and really explain why it's a problem. We can still love the boys, but we need to hold them accountable for their mistakes.
I'm sorry for all my sister's and brothers who are black and like kpop.. we love you, and you colour is not "agressive" or "bad" no you colour is perfet and we love you and you should to, i'm so sorry that korean idols are not that much educated, i hope they can be better in the futur but it will never happen if people
people continue to defend them at all costs as if it were nothing (sorry for my english i'm french)
Ton anglais est parfait les "army "qui continuent de les défendre pourtant ce sont pas des bébés ce sont des adultes ils savent ce qu'ils disent et font en tant que fille noire africaine de surcroît je savais qu'ils étaient problématique mais à ce point là 🙄
I think I got recommend this video bcuz of the Rm islamophobia/V n word situation. I din't realized bts is a racist colorist group. I loved jamming to their songs and watching funny bts clips but I'll step back in streaming them. Feels weird watching them now seeing the truth. Its not like I know them personally I only know their public persona. Thank you for showing the truth no matter how disappointing this is. Please keep this video up. Fans need to wake up!
they say the hate us. but love our music,culture,and fashion. its so odd. i wish those people who hated us would stop doing anything that was/created by black ppl
Agreed 100%.
They said we'll take the black culture but not the people
I am feeling conflicted about my part in this fandom. As a black person, I am questioning things.
Every kpop group is like this tbh
@@denson6329 true
This video really brings you back down to earth and makes you realize that even your favorite celebrities/idols can make mistakes. As an African American, I'm heartbroken to see that BTS used to act this way, especially Namjoon, for I find him and Suga to be very inspiring for people struggling with mental health issues. I really hope that the BTS members really reflected on their past mistakes, and I wish that the majority of their fanbase would stop turning a blind eye to this kind of behavior. I love BTS too, but they are still people, not gods. They can mess up too.
They never gonna change because they never care
i agree completely
This isn't a mistake..
I like the way you tell this💜
@@ilovemeuntilidont4902 exactly, I don't know why fans always try to see a bright side in it all