@@youkirosewarne1516 nope, it’s all permanents, sitting at around 200$/150€ (at least Moxfield says so). Only tutors are Inventor‘s Fair and Moonsilver Key, only fast mana is Sol Ring (and Ashnod‘s Altar/Krark-Clan Ironworks, if they even count as fast mana)
It's because your deck is solitaire withough a guaranteed win. My buddy has one and it was fine but I also only played my combo solitaire deck against it aswell. Every turn took over 10 minutes. He had 3 win cons a storm grapeshot, aetherflux reservoir and a storm bounce permanent. Only 2 of those actually won the game the other one just forced you to scoop because you had to start over on turn 1
Old Gnawbone, Silver Hivelord, Najeela, the Blade-Blossom, Winota, Joiner of Forces Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer Chulane, Teller of Tales Linavala, Keeper of Silence Etali, Primal Conqueror Etali, Primal Sickness Maha, Its Feathers Night Avacyn, Angel of Hope Gaddock Teeg Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Atraxa, Grand Unifier *The Ur-Dragon* Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Emrakul, the World Anew The First Silver Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm Jodah, the Unifier Korvold, Fae-Cursed King Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger Koma, Cosmos Serpent Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite Vorniclex, Monstrous Raider Ulamog, the Defiler Atraxa, Praetors' Voice *Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow* Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines Narset, Enlightened Master *Sen Triplets* *Edgar Markov* Urza, Lord High Artificer Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant Toxrill, the Corrosive Emarkul, the Promised End Sheoldred, the Apocalypse Hokori, Dust Drinker *Grand Arbiter Augustin IV* Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur Tergrid, God of Fright Vorniclex, Voice of Hunger Nadu, Winged Wisdom
Wow, my first and still best-beloved EDH deck was a Vorinclex, Monstrrous Raider +1/+1 w/ Superfriends deck. I run Elesh Norn, MoM, but only in the 99 of my Lathiel lifegain/+1/+1 hybrid (which includes Vorinclex there, as well.) I’ve tried Old Gnawbone as the head of a Green Good Stuff deck, but found Selvala, HoW did the job better. I pulled an Ulamog the Defiler, but other than putting him in the 99 of my Vorinclex deck a few times…. Same goes for Kozilek, Butcher of Truth getting a slot in my Green 99s. My Karametra, God of Harvests Angel/Humans deck uses Avacyn, as does my Arwen, Mortal Queen 99. Otherwise, haven’t played any of these cards. Edgar Markov would be fun if I had the card pool, I think.
I had a Toxrill deck. I kind of had to because the gaming gods gave me 3 in two weeks of drafting VOW. Literally pack one, pick one two weeks in a row, and then I also got one out of a pity pack the first week.
Eh I don't think that's the message. It's more lock down, hand disruption, and hard to remove cards that makes people salty. Tergrid, Sen triplets, gran arbiter, and jin gitaxius at top are telling. I mean people like to be able to play. If you wanna play solitaire whatever, but you can't expect people to like it.
@@zackswanson7188 it depends on the playgroup. I play at my local LGS that plays reasonably high-power stuff and there’s not very much salt. When I play with my friends in our playgroup, it’s at a lower power level and skill level and there is so much salt when you play anything reasonably powerful.
@billsussman6554 Sure. I think generally there are things that just suck more. Not getting to play is subjectively more unfun than getting beat down imo. There's a reason Stax is so hated, whereas a powerful commander like Golos or Jodah may get some hate, it's not the outright groans people make playing against Tergrid or Sen Triplets. Think that level of obnoxious is generally hated across the board. Like land destruction is legal sure, but it's never fun to play against no matter the play group.
Even if it's not specified in that reminder text? I only ask because they specifically list each card type that's counted toward the ability with no inclination of the potential for others.
@naggaibey7727 I'm inclined to allow Kindred, since the wording of the reminder text is as such: "... and sorcery are card types." Excluding 'the' from the end of the sentence leaves it open to including other card types, and Kindred functions in the type category per Tarmogoyf.
Correct. @@naggaibey7727 it would also work for any future card types that are made. You can check what counts as a "card type" by checking the official rules, but my guess is they didn't have the space to put Kindred, and it typically wont be a relevant card type outside of EDH (most of the time)
I did build Tergrid, but it was for a good reason I think. My friend had a suuuuuper toxic version of Zur the Enchanter where his game plan was 1. Make your board untouchable 2. Make your life untouchable 3. Swing for 1 commander damage 4.pass. I talked to him about it and he expressed that he believed I should just build something to keep up with it. I said alright, I can build something toxic. I built Tergrid, and the day I texted him saying it was built, he took apart his Zur because “if I’m gonna have to play it against annoying decks, then I won’t have fun”
I use Jodah the Unifier for my planeswalker deck. With the oath of enchantments and planeswalker related artifacts that are legendary, you cascade so much.
I also did that, but I find that The Prismatic Bridge eclipses him. The Unifier is better in a creature-centric strategy, since you cannot use half the card in superfriends. Or at least you lose some value, since he only self-buffs himself by +1/+1.
Long time watcher, first time commenter. Thanks for all you do in the community. I think I can possibly answer two of your questions. Kinnan is likely seeing a rise due to the banning of fast artifact mana, because it adds mana from non land effects IE creatures. While Urza's popularity is less because of the opposite reason. The more people see these commanders doing well after the banning the saltier they become. Hope that helps! 💚
When it comes to Old Gnawbone, you’re not just looking at dragons to run it. Any fairly combat damage based deck that has green massively benefits from it. When that deck has some kind of token or sacrifice synergies, it benefits even more from Gnawbone. Being in the best color to ramp and causing an even bigger snowball effect is why it’s on the list.
My husband has a Toxrill deck. We played in our pod on Saturday and after we left, he complained about continuously being shut down. I was like, " you were playing Toxrill. What do you expect?" LOL!!
I’ve had Kinnan built since Ikoria and I can say that I understand why its saltscore went up. He’s super powerful, the deck is very very powerful and I don’t think I’ve had a game where I played him and people weren’t salty. Intruder alarm + mana dorks give you repeatable flips, pimins aura helps to get you infinite mana. Fuckin LOOOOVE Kinnan one of ky favorites of all time but really only playable in a higher power setting which most casual games are not. Even powered down he’s Uber strong
i think ulamog the ceaseless hunger is higher than the anihilator eldrazi titans, is because it sees a lot of more play under the justification of it being weaker than the aniilating ones, and the uncounterable double exile always hit hard, more with everything this card come from
Also 20 cards or of the deck is objectively stronger than sacrificing 4 permanents. Someone can have cards on board after sacrificing 16 cards, but it's very rare for Commander players to have a library after exiling 80.
@@blueredlover1060 it depends. If the 4 permanents are creatures that will kill you the following turn, or lands the player needs to cast threats, the 20 exiled cards may not matter to them. Also, Ulamog the Ceaseless Hunger does not have evasion or trample, so you can simply block him. And without extra attack triggers or extra combats he needs to attack every player 3-4 times on average to make them lose to not being able to draw a card.
Fun fact ... just having an Ulamog Variant commander often gets the same reastion then the real Ulamog xD.. I use the "copy eldrazi spell for 2" one for fun stuff. There's not even an ulamog or any of the big eldrazis in my deck... its just about makeing tokens and having a large board with large bodys with extra effects. People still just surrender in online fights and i am only rarely "alloweed" to play it on FNM xD.
You are wrong. Reliquary Tower and Thought Vessel gives you no maximum hand size. Even if you play Jin-Gitaxias last, now you have infinite - 7 hand size, which is still infinite
Had someone use sheoldred, the apocalypse in a 6 player game right at the start suffice to say eldrazi can ramp really hard when they need to, task master and a copy put an end to that pretty hard leaving clean up very straight forward Everyone had like 10 life left as their deck were built around card draw or life usage, myriad can be quite useful in a pinch
I often ask myself what was in Wotc Mind as they designed Eldrazis....oh this is a really OP mechanic ... lets give them at least three of those and make them even heavier than normal....Cascade? hey take 3 Cascades. Annhilialtor 1? Why not 7? Enemy must put his library into the graveyard ? Nah he must exile them.
My guess is the Cthulu effect. These primordial beings have existed since before time and cause people to go insane just looking at them. Therefore, they should be mind-breakingly powerful.
Phyrexian Praetors & Eldrazi Titans: Some of the Saltiest cards out there Wizards of the Coast: "You know what people really want? More Praetors & Titans!"
My response to Elesh Norn, MOM is I ask before the game starts if it’s okay to play because I know if someone is playing a mono green or blink deck. They just don’t get to play
@@Ultimoe1 I too play mono green. 😂😂😂😂 I only have two mono green decks tho. I run a Legacy elf tribal and a Modern Sap/Stompy. Anytime I run into a hard anti-green deck I just knuckle down and accept it is what I get for playing an exponentially rampy deck. Personally, as almost a 25 year player I never get frustrated or mad over being slapped down by something like a Norn deck. I take it as a challenge, adjust my deck/playstyle and shuffle up.
I have seen more Kennan decks since the past 2 years. Especially with Delney was released. Both are now in Derevi due to the mana production trigger increased with Delney. Sol Ring adding 4 colorless mana is kind of cool, busted, but cool.
I'm surprised that Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin isn't on this list. I have a deck built around him as the commander and have players who refuse to play against it. One guy lost his mind while I was taking my last turn in a game I won. He told me, "You just stumbled into that win," when all I did was run the deck the way I built it. All this happened after I used Sundial of the Infinite to flush the stack against a white counter spell that same opponent tried to play against me when I cast All Will Be One (which is half of the two card infinite combo I usually win with).
Hi you forgot eris Roar of the storm, you can kill 10 times and costs 10, but It costs 2 less for every different mana cost betwwen sorceries and istant in graveyard, and create a 4/4 dragons prowess Flying at second general spell in EACH TURN
Agreed. I run Queen, Legion, First and Hivelord with Moraphon in the 99. Don't play it much though. My mana base is quite good, can "clunk" at times. Thinking of putting in, as I own, Thassas oracle and tainted pact in for cEDH only.
Great video! :) Could you please do a video about the top 10 commanders to win against tribal decks please? My regular pod uses this kind of decks and they always overwhelm me with millions of creature tokens!
Tom bombadil. You have to watch them read a novel every...single...turn... When I see him I know it's going to be long turns that no one else understands at all.
Tom Bombadil exists to let players roleplay as Tom Bombadil, talking people's ear off, wasting their time and such. Which is why I have a Tom Bombadil deck.
Bombadil is my favorite Commander. If the player really knows the Sagas in their deck and actually knows the rules about how lore counters work, then the turns don’t have to be too long.
Which is effectively a ban. That is the funniest part about that whole situation. Players raged about bans and for the RC to be removed. WotC takes over and uses MTG grade word gymnastics to create a ban "list" but in tiers. 😂😂 The most frustrating part is most of the folks complaining would have quit playing within the next two years anyways.
@@k.m.2874 Oh, agreed. Though at least in my area the Brackets aren’t going to be a big deal, because it’s always either Precons or “As strong and consistent as you can make it, without being cEDH. (Basically just excluding the more egregious cEDH Commanders, and people not pursuing that strong/consistent ideal to a uniform standard.) Putting a card in Bracket 4 around here will be treated as a purchase/trade-for suggestion. I’m not even a little optimistic about WotC’s administration of the format.
@@Shawn-f3x Well that's a really balanced way to approach all of this. Our issue is all of our (c)EDH players show up for Legacy, Modern, Pioneer and Standard. Now that EDH is in the dirt and Pioneer is snubbed our numbers have been dwindling overall. 😭
@@k.m.2874 I’m really sorry to hear that. :( We lost a couple of pubstompers who never show up outside WPN FNM (Randomized Assigned Pods didn’t leave any way to avoid playing with them), but otherwise have more new people showing up than ever. The only problem has been that people here default to Bring Their Strongest, and only bring the Precons when people discuss it ahead of time. (Everyone did their best not to kick in the teeth of the Precon-possessors, but you know how that goes.) My situation is having a limited enough modern card pool (I started in ‘96, then went on hiatus w/ the advent of Combo Winter, and only came back for EDH just after the last Theros set) that I have to pull apart the last deck to build the next deck. (I basically keep looping back and forth between Mono Green and Selesnya while I acquire W/R and G/R lands to open up Naya as a possibility.) Kinda sucks cannibalizing the remains of my old collection to keep playing, but it is what it is. Why exactly is EDH suffering there so much? They were mostly/all cEDH?
I wonder where, Caesar, Leion’s Emperor is on that scale because soon as I play mine I become the only target on the field… even the Eldrazi player is scared of me, lol.
Im suprised mahadi isnt on here. Its just a boardwipe deck running 13+ boardwipes and a bunch of large removal. Plus all the treasure tokens lead to long turns
I really try to avoid commanders like that now to avoid getting to much attention to myself. The only one i have that I know when I play this I'm the target is Etali primal sickness because i really really like his game plan but i don't play him at most tables. All the other decks have commanders that are not on the list. I really don't understand why people hate sen triplets so much though. Honestly I find the commander particularly weak. It's a lightning rod for removal and everything colour can kill it because it's an artifact and a creature. I'm never scared of that commander just because I can always get rid of it quickly
My locals won't listen when I explain how my elesh norn, grand cenobite artifact token deck is the worst version I could possibly play and isn't very threatening Anyway, I'll play an ancient den, mox opal, sol ring. Pass turn.
None ofo the commanders I use are on this list (They're all from Precons), but there's a few on this list I was planning to build like Kinnand and Koma. I'll work first on builfing my Riku of Many Paths and Baylen decks first. Also lmao why is Nadu here
Jeeez, people gat salty and offended over absolutely anything. I mean Tergrid or Sen Triplets yeah, but Old Gnawbone? Najeela? Winota? Kinnan? Or 7-9 CMC commanders that never see play?
No shade intended but I don't think you'll be playing "cEDH" if you're seeking advice about eldrazi commanders in the comment section of a video that's about people being being salty that an 8 color monowhite commander is indestructible. (e.g. being a bit silly.) You'll MAYBE be playiyng "high powered" commander and only if you drop like a thousand bucks minimum on the deck or play a bunch of proxies. cEDH is about free counterspells, fast mana (when it's not banned) and two card combos that win the game. Have fun trying to slap down even one eldrazi before turn 3 and getting to attack with it to MAYBE take one player out of the game.
@@paulszki I get what you mean but what I mean by cedh is a high powered deck I've got a few like really cheap $100-150 decks but want to put some money and time into it if you have any suggestions
@@HarveyJones-t8c I think there's about three flavors in my opinion: 1. Play one of the eldrazi as your actual commander and now your deck is completely colorless. You can't get play any colored spells (even if they have devoid, because their commander identity is still whatever mana-symbols it has). All your ramp must have a colorless commander identity. Same for removal/boadwipes etc. If you want this "high powered" it's likely going to cost a ton of money because there are way less competitively costed cards for certain effects in colorless so anything that's good and colorless will be pricey (e.g. All is Dust). Do this only if you are in love with exactly one eldrazi and want to see him every game. Otherwise why play colorless and restrict yourself. 2. Play one of the two MH3 Eldrazi commanders, who have a 5 color identity. Now you have access to all colors but you're likely going to build around your eldrazi commander's ability anyway. Either of these commanders concentrate more on lower casting cost (relatively speaking) and are very specific. Azlak can be extremely strong if you build around him but he might not actually feel very "eldrazi" because he only cares about eldrazi scions and eldrazi spawns and wants to go wide rather than tall. Ulalek wants to copy stuff and here you still need to cast relatively cheap eldrazi because to be able to copy them, you need another 2 extra mana. Also Ulalek is INCREDIBLY tough to play well. You seriously need to learn how to use and abuse the stack for your copying-shenanigans. 3. Play a non-eldrazi commander that somehow ramps you or otherwise is generally useful while opening up at least green as a color for you. I'd personally chose option because 1. most likely it's the cheapest way to go about it 2. I'm not bound to the two mh3 commanders and 3. I'll have access powerful colored cards for whatever I have in mind with the deck- In addition to green you probably also want red because red does two things. 1. it sometimes lets you cheat big stuff into play (sneak attack, into the breach) and it generally is really good at granting haste because running Lightning Greaves and Swiftfood boots won't be enough. You don't want to tap out to cast some big eldrazi only to have to wait a turn to attack with it. "Meria, Scholar of Antiquity" could be decent. She is cheap, low to the ground and any artifacts you play are also ramp, but she also comes with draw. So besides just regular green ramp (nature's lore, three visits, crop rotation into ancient tomb etc.) you'll want to play really good, cheap artifacts, mostly really good equipment as those cards don't care if you tap them and they can often pay for their own equip cost (e.g. skullclamp, shadowspear, basilisk collar, but also strong non-equipment artifacts like expedition map, relic of progenitus, haywire mite etc.). Haste granting lands like "Arena of Glory" seem like a must.
Everytime another one of these lists comes out and I don't see Kaalia i feel a little bit better about how she absolutely demolishes my playgroup every time I play her lol
Literally came here to see if others felt similarly. When she comes out, the table has learned to plot together for her doom. Her + Gisela + Bloodthirster + Sower of Discord will permanently delete a portion of someone’s soul.
There's a handful of Legendary's that are no surprise to being on the list for 24. The Ur Dragon Johoden the unifier Cheu Laine teller of tales I may have butchered the spelling nut those too humans are ridiculous with Dragons and various other big ass creatures in MTG history.
I love my Avacyn Angel of Hope deck, and nobody ever wants to play against it lol. It's board wipe tribal, and uses several repeatable ones like Nev's disk
@@brody.b4 I respect everyone's time by not pulling the deck out unless the table asks for it. I do agree it slows everyone else down, but it's actually really good at actually closing out the game so it delivers interesting games. You get locked out and then you die, with most of the game spent with the table trying to stop me from locking them out for most of the game, and then I come online and wreck the board. You'd be surprised at how many people actually do want to play against that deck, it's brutal but I don't run any dedicated mld so people see it as a challenge to see how their deck holds up to hyper removal. It does have an absurdly high win rate though, so I don't often do more than mention if I brought it.
I used to have a really high power BB deck but the core of the deck is so specialized to that commander that I don't think many people care to invest a lot to even make one? That or the game becomes archenemy or something. Though in my experience, BB was more of a nuclear deterrent for players who ran snowball-y decks
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Jhoira not in there tells me my deck isn’t as much of a problem as my playgroup wants me to believe
I mean are you the kind of player to tell them your jhoira deck is “only a 7” while having every tutor and mox in it?
@@youkirosewarne1516 nope, it’s all permanents, sitting at around 200$/150€ (at least Moxfield says so). Only tutors are Inventor‘s Fair and Moonsilver Key, only fast mana is Sol Ring (and Ashnod‘s Altar/Krark-Clan Ironworks, if they even count as fast mana)
Jhoira is based
I feel the same with my yidris deck
It's because your deck is solitaire withough a guaranteed win. My buddy has one and it was fine but I also only played my combo solitaire deck against it aswell. Every turn took over 10 minutes. He had 3 win cons a storm grapeshot, aetherflux reservoir and a storm bounce permanent. Only 2 of those actually won the game the other one just forced you to scoop because you had to start over on turn 1
Old Gnawbone,
Silver Hivelord,
Najeela, the Blade-Blossom,
Winota, Joiner of Forces
Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer
Chulane, Teller of Tales
Linavala, Keeper of Silence
Etali, Primal Conqueror
Etali, Primal Sickness
Maha, Its Feathers Night
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Gaddock Teeg
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Atraxa, Grand Unifier
*The Ur-Dragon*
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Emrakul, the World Anew
The First Silver
Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm
Jodah, the Unifier
Korvold, Fae-Cursed King
Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
Koma, Cosmos Serpent
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Vorniclex, Monstrous Raider
Ulamog, the Defiler
Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
*Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow*
Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines
Narset, Enlightened Master
*Sen Triplets*
*Edgar Markov*
Urza, Lord High Artificer
Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant
Toxrill, the Corrosive
Emarkul, the Promised End
Sheoldred, the Apocalypse
Hokori, Dust Drinker
*Grand Arbiter Augustin IV*
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
Tergrid, God of Fright
Vorniclex, Voice of Hunger
Nadu, Winged Wisdom
yikes thats a lot of guys that i run which i guess speaks volumes about the kind of decks i like
@@pyroshadow33 you run all of them as commander or in the 99?
Wow, my first and still best-beloved EDH deck was a Vorinclex, Monstrrous Raider +1/+1 w/ Superfriends deck.
I run Elesh Norn, MoM, but only in the 99 of my Lathiel lifegain/+1/+1 hybrid (which includes Vorinclex there, as well.)
I’ve tried Old Gnawbone as the head of a Green Good Stuff deck, but found Selvala, HoW did the job better.
I pulled an Ulamog the Defiler, but other than putting him in the 99 of my Vorinclex deck a few times….
Same goes for Kozilek, Butcher of Truth getting a slot in my Green 99s.
My Karametra, God of Harvests Angel/Humans deck uses Avacyn, as does my Arwen, Mortal Queen 99.
Otherwise, haven’t played any of these cards.
Edgar Markov would be fun if I had the card pool, I think.
Some of these are valid, but you’re being a baby with a lot of them lmao
I had a Toxrill deck. I kind of had to because the gaming gods gave me 3 in two weeks of drafting VOW. Literally pack one, pick one two weeks in a row, and then I also got one out of a pity pack the first week.
It would be great to have time stamps for longer videos
Yes!
You: *does something to progress the game*
Commander Players: That makes me salty!!! RAAAAARghh
you're not allowed to touch my value pile that I've missed three triggers on, I'm just a little guy!
Eh I don't think that's the message. It's more lock down, hand disruption, and hard to remove cards that makes people salty. Tergrid, Sen triplets, gran arbiter, and jin gitaxius at top are telling. I mean people like to be able to play. If you wanna play solitaire whatever, but you can't expect people to like it.
@@zackswanson7188 it depends on the playgroup. I play at my local LGS that plays reasonably high-power stuff and there’s not very much salt. When I play with my friends in our playgroup, it’s at a lower power level and skill level and there is so much salt when you play anything reasonably powerful.
@billsussman6554 Sure. I think generally there are things that just suck more. Not getting to play is subjectively more unfun than getting beat down imo. There's a reason Stax is so hated, whereas a powerful commander like Golos or Jodah may get some hate, it's not the outright groans people make playing against Tergrid or Sen Triplets. Think that level of obnoxious is generally hated across the board. Like land destruction is legal sure, but it's never fun to play against no matter the play group.
not me using this as a shopping list >:)
Same lol😂
Atraxa, while she doesn’t say it, it has been said that you can also get Kindred cards. So you could theoretically get 9/10 cards in each stack
Even if it's not specified in that reminder text? I only ask because they specifically list each card type that's counted toward the ability with no inclination of the potential for others.
@naggaibey7727 I'm inclined to allow Kindred, since the wording of the reminder text is as such: "... and sorcery are card types."
Excluding 'the' from the end of the sentence leaves it open to including other card types, and Kindred functions in the type category per Tarmogoyf.
Correct. @@naggaibey7727 it would also work for any future card types that are made.
You can check what counts as a "card type" by checking the official rules, but my guess is they didn't have the space to put Kindred, and it typically wont be a relevant card type outside of EDH (most of the time)
None of the bans affected Kinnan haha hence it's now even better with the rest of the meta drawn back on fast mana
I thought Kindred was a super type, like legendary, so it wouldn't count
I did build Tergrid, but it was for a good reason I think. My friend had a suuuuuper toxic version of Zur the Enchanter where his game plan was 1. Make your board untouchable 2. Make your life untouchable 3. Swing for 1 commander damage 4.pass. I talked to him about it and he expressed that he believed I should just build something to keep up with it. I said alright, I can build something toxic. I built Tergrid, and the day I texted him saying it was built, he took apart his Zur because “if I’m gonna have to play it against annoying decks, then I won’t have fun”
he doesn’t even realize 😭😭
I use Jodah the Unifier for my planeswalker deck. With the oath of enchantments and planeswalker related artifacts that are legendary, you cascade so much.
I also did that, but I find that The Prismatic Bridge eclipses him. The Unifier is better in a creature-centric strategy, since you cannot use half the card in superfriends. Or at least you lose some value, since he only self-buffs himself by +1/+1.
Long time watcher, first time commenter. Thanks for all you do in the community. I think I can possibly answer two of your questions. Kinnan is likely seeing a rise due to the banning of fast artifact mana, because it adds mana from non land effects IE creatures. While Urza's popularity is less because of the opposite reason. The more people see these commanders doing well after the banning the saltier they become. Hope that helps! 💚
When it comes to Old Gnawbone, you’re not just looking at dragons to run it. Any fairly combat damage based deck that has green massively benefits from it. When that deck has some kind of token or sacrifice synergies, it benefits even more from Gnawbone. Being in the best color to ramp and causing an even bigger snowball effect is why it’s on the list.
My husband has a Toxrill deck. We played in our pod on Saturday and after we left, he complained about continuously being shut down. I was like, " you were playing Toxrill. What do you expect?" LOL!!
I’ve had Kinnan built since Ikoria and I can say that I understand why its saltscore went up. He’s super powerful, the deck is very very powerful and I don’t think I’ve had a game where I played him and people weren’t salty. Intruder alarm + mana dorks give you repeatable flips, pimins aura helps to get you infinite mana. Fuckin LOOOOVE Kinnan one of ky favorites of all time but really only playable in a higher power setting which most casual games are not. Even powered down he’s Uber strong
i think ulamog the ceaseless hunger is higher than the anihilator eldrazi titans, is because it sees a lot of more play under the justification of it being weaker than the aniilating ones, and the uncounterable double exile always hit hard, more with everything this card come from
Also 20 cards or of the deck is objectively stronger than sacrificing 4 permanents. Someone can have cards on board after sacrificing 16 cards, but it's very rare for Commander players to have a library after exiling 80.
@@blueredlover1060 it depends. If the 4 permanents are creatures that will kill you the following turn, or lands the player needs to cast threats, the 20 exiled cards may not matter to them. Also, Ulamog the Ceaseless Hunger does not have evasion or trample, so you can simply block him. And without extra attack triggers or extra combats he needs to attack every player 3-4 times on average to make them lose to not being able to draw a card.
Urza prolly dropped 6 because of the Jeweled Lotus/Mana Crypt ban making it exponentially harder to get the turn 1 Urza
Fun fact ... just having an Ulamog Variant commander often gets the same reastion then the real Ulamog xD..
I use the "copy eldrazi spell for 2" one for fun stuff.
There's not even an ulamog or any of the big eldrazis in my deck... its just about makeing tokens and having a large board with large bodys with extra effects.
People still just surrender in online fights and i am only rarely "alloweed" to play it on FNM xD.
Just realized that Najeela's effects are symmetrical so in theory you can make deals with her.
Jin-Gitaxias is annoying but a Reliquary Tower or a Thought Vessel completely negates his effect.
No need to play after
Not true. All depends on which one entered the battlefield first.
You are wrong. Reliquary Tower and Thought Vessel gives you no maximum hand size. Even if you play Jin-Gitaxias last, now you have infinite - 7 hand size, which is still infinite
@@brunopezzi671 bro dosent know how replacement effects work
@@christopherrue1773that would be true for cards that set your max hand size. He only says it’s whatever your max is -7. So no max -7 is still no max.
Had someone use sheoldred, the apocalypse in a 6 player game right at the start suffice to say eldrazi can ramp really hard when they need to, task master and a copy put an end to that pretty hard leaving clean up very straight forward
Everyone had like 10 life left as their deck were built around card draw or life usage, myriad can be quite useful in a pinch
I often ask myself what was in Wotc Mind as they designed Eldrazis....oh this is a really OP mechanic ... lets give them at least three of those and make them even heavier than normal....Cascade? hey take 3 Cascades. Annhilialtor 1? Why not 7? Enemy must put his library into the graveyard ? Nah he must exile them.
My guess is the Cthulu effect. These primordial beings have existed since before time and cause people to go insane just looking at them. Therefore, they should be mind-breakingly powerful.
Would love to see a top 100 most rule zeroed commanders
Phyrexian Praetors & Eldrazi Titans: Some of the Saltiest cards out there
Wizards of the Coast: "You know what people really want? More Praetors & Titans!"
My response to Elesh Norn, MOM is I ask before the game starts if it’s okay to play because I know if someone is playing a mono green or blink deck. They just don’t get to play
Respectable but weak. Players should get punished for playing mono green. lol
@@k.m.2874but I play mono green. I have 7 mono green decks.
@@Ultimoe1 I too play mono green. 😂😂😂😂 I only have two mono green decks tho. I run a Legacy elf tribal and a Modern Sap/Stompy. Anytime I run into a hard anti-green deck I just knuckle down and accept it is what I get for playing an exponentially rampy deck. Personally, as almost a 25 year player I never get frustrated or mad over being slapped down by something like a Norn deck. I take it as a challenge, adjust my deck/playstyle and shuffle up.
@@k.m.2874 I guess my modern is technically mono green. It’s Eldrazi Tron. Sorta. Whatever Tron was 2 years ago
@@Ultimoe1 Norn and Eldrazi. You're the type of player that made me build a Boros burn deck. 😂😂😂
I have seen more Kennan decks since the past 2 years. Especially with Delney was released. Both are now in Derevi due to the mana production trigger increased with Delney. Sol Ring adding 4 colorless mana is kind of cool, busted, but cool.
Good thing all of my ulamog cards are in the 99 of my 5 color ulalek deck, i can breathe a sigh of relief
I’m confident way more people are playing cedh in addition to casual and that explains Kinnan
I’m always excited to see what commanders are on this list I should build next. Looks like Toxrill Stax is my next EVIL deck😈🖤👍🏼👍🏼💯
Felt 👹
I have and i like, enjoy being satan itself ❤️
The lack of sliver overlord tells me that people have not survived to pass on the proper nightmare that is slivers ;)
Slivers low skill
These are really good Commanders. I have never seen some of these cards. Thank you for the video.
I've got Chulane in my Ellie and Alan deck, it works quite well in card draw and mana ramping
the fact that ulamog the defiler has annihilator x, based on his +1/+1 counters, but wasnt even close to the most broken card in mh3 is wild to me.
I'm surprised that Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin isn't on this list. I have a deck built around him as the commander and have players who refuse to play against it. One guy lost his mind while I was taking my last turn in a game I won. He told me, "You just stumbled into that win," when all I did was run the deck the way I built it. All this happened after I used Sundial of the Infinite to flush the stack against a white counter spell that same opponent tried to play against me when I cast All Will Be One (which is half of the two card infinite combo I usually win with).
elesh norn, mother of machines is my favourite commander, did not expect to see her here ngl
I have a lot of commander decks. Kinda shocked that only one of them is in here (kinnan)
Hi you forgot eris Roar of the storm, you can kill 10 times and costs 10, but It costs 2 less for every different mana cost betwwen sorceries and istant in graveyard, and create a 4/4 dragons prowess Flying at second general spell in EACH TURN
Sliver Overlord is the best sliver commander
Agreed. I run Queen, Legion, First and Hivelord with Moraphon in the 99. Don't play it much though. My mana base is quite good, can "clunk" at times. Thinking of putting in, as I own, Thassas oracle and tainted pact in for cEDH only.
Great video! :)
Could you please do a video about the top 10 commanders to win against tribal decks please? My regular pod uses this kind of decks and they always overwhelm me with millions of creature tokens!
Hah! Narset, Enlightened Exile deck not even on the list. The cheek clapping continues!
Lmaooooo, my Narset, Enlightened Exile deck is actually called "Cheek Slapper" on Arena
Just bought most of these cards not too long ago building two commander decks. Yeah, I'm fun at parties.
I fought Winota decks. That commander needs to be higher on this list because the amount of legendary humans she can cheat on the field is absurd
Tom bombadil. You have to watch them read a novel every...single...turn...
When I see him I know it's going to be long turns that no one else understands at all.
Tom Bombadil exists to let players roleplay as Tom Bombadil, talking people's ear off, wasting their time and such.
Which is why I have a Tom Bombadil deck.
Worst deck. When I see this in arena if I can’t kill them in a few turns I just concede. It’s takes forever and I could be having fun somewhere else
Bombadil is my favorite Commander. If the player really knows the Sagas in their deck and actually knows the rules about how lore counters work, then the turns don’t have to be too long.
My son plays it, it is fun to watch "go off"
As of writing this, I have only 2 of these commanders with full decks. Also, hi Neo!
And now WotC will never Ban anything ever again. Just move it to Bracket 4.
Which is effectively a ban. That is the funniest part about that whole situation. Players raged about bans and for the RC to be removed.
WotC takes over and uses MTG grade word gymnastics to create a ban "list" but in tiers. 😂😂
The most frustrating part is most of the folks complaining would have quit playing within the next two years anyways.
@@k.m.2874 Oh, agreed. Though at least in my area the Brackets aren’t going to be a big deal, because it’s always either Precons or “As strong and consistent as you can make it, without being cEDH. (Basically just excluding the more egregious cEDH Commanders, and people not pursuing that strong/consistent ideal to a uniform standard.)
Putting a card in Bracket 4 around here will be treated as a purchase/trade-for suggestion.
I’m not even a little optimistic about WotC’s administration of the format.
@@Shawn-f3x Well that's a really balanced way to approach all of this.
Our issue is all of our (c)EDH players show up for Legacy, Modern, Pioneer and Standard. Now that EDH is in the dirt and Pioneer is snubbed our numbers have been dwindling overall. 😭
@@k.m.2874 I’m really sorry to hear that. :( We lost a couple of pubstompers who never show up outside WPN FNM (Randomized Assigned Pods didn’t leave any way to avoid playing with them), but otherwise have more new people showing up than ever.
The only problem has been that people here default to Bring Their Strongest, and only bring the Precons when people discuss it ahead of time. (Everyone did their best not to kick in the teeth of the Precon-possessors, but you know how that goes.)
My situation is having a limited enough modern card pool (I started in ‘96, then went on hiatus w/ the advent of Combo Winter, and only came back for EDH just after the last Theros set) that I have to pull apart the last deck to build the next deck. (I basically keep looping back and forth between Mono Green and Selesnya while I acquire W/R and G/R lands to open up Naya as a possibility.)
Kinda sucks cannibalizing the remains of my old collection to keep playing, but it is what it is.
Why exactly is EDH suffering there so much? They were mostly/all cEDH?
@@k.m.2874 It’s not a ban if you can play the cards, dude. That’s silly.
I put mirror box into my Eldrazi deck and pulled off the emrakrul echos of eternity and ulalek combo, in a 4 player game, so took all their boards 😂
I wonder where, Caesar, Leion’s Emperor is on that scale because soon as I play mine I become the only target on the field… even the Eldrazi player is scared of me, lol.
Salt and magic players name a more iconic duo
Im suprised mahadi isnt on here. Its just a boardwipe deck running 13+ boardwipes and a bunch of large removal. Plus all the treasure tokens lead to long turns
Kinin is one of the top CEDH commanders right now
I’m surprised to see no ulalek in here tbh just have the ability to make 2 or 3 ulamogs by using his ability is crazy
I really try to avoid commanders like that now to avoid getting to much attention to myself. The only one i have that I know when I play this I'm the target is Etali primal sickness because i really really like his game plan but i don't play him at most tables. All the other decks have commanders that are not on the list.
I really don't understand why people hate sen triplets so much though. Honestly I find the commander particularly weak. It's a lightning rod for removal and everything colour can kill it because it's an artifact and a creature. I'm never scared of that commander just because I can always get rid of it quickly
Hot take: i like Eminence.
Wait miirym in the thumbnail!
Leave my girl alone 😭
She not that bad to me, seen it do much on arena, if you got some counter play or removal they’re usually cooked
Miirym is fine. Every time I farewell I send her to the stone age
Mirrym is awesome in my Ur-Dragon deck.
My locals won't listen when I explain how my elesh norn, grand cenobite artifact token deck is the worst version I could possibly play and isn't very threatening
Anyway, I'll play an ancient den, mox opal, sol ring. Pass turn.
None ofo the commanders I use are on this list (They're all from Precons), but there's a few on this list I was planning to build like Kinnand and Koma. I'll work first on builfing my Riku of Many Paths and Baylen decks first.
Also lmao why is Nadu here
Riku of Many Paths is awesome! I love my Riku deck
I really like riku aswell
Nadu and Shuko can go through the entire deck in one turn by turn 4.
@ThatOneWeirdFlex I know. It just that this video came after Nadu got (finality) banned
Love my Chulane deck.
With Kinnan, maybe CEDH is getting more popular.
I think Kinnan jumped up because of the recent commander bans.
No reaper king people hate it and kill it instantly whenever I play it and blame me for not removing threats.
Maha is hilarious in my Doran treefolk deck 😆
Honestly played against tergrid yesterday with eluge and wasnt all too bad lol
Jeeez, people gat salty and offended over absolutely anything. I mean Tergrid or Sen Triplets yeah, but Old Gnawbone? Najeela? Winota? Kinnan? Or 7-9 CMC commanders that never see play?
Hey I'm really wanting to build a eldrazi cedh deck never played eldrazi before does anyone have any recommendations on what commander to play?
No shade intended but I don't think you'll be playing "cEDH" if you're seeking advice about eldrazi commanders in the comment section of a video that's about people being being salty that an 8 color monowhite commander is indestructible. (e.g. being a bit silly.)
You'll MAYBE be playiyng "high powered" commander and only if you drop like a thousand bucks minimum on the deck or play a bunch of proxies.
cEDH is about free counterspells, fast mana (when it's not banned) and two card combos that win the game. Have fun trying to slap down even one eldrazi before turn 3 and getting to attack with it to MAYBE take one player out of the game.
@@paulszki I get what you mean but what I mean by cedh is a high powered deck I've got a few like really cheap $100-150 decks but want to put some money and time into it if you have any suggestions
@@HarveyJones-t8c I think there's about three flavors in my opinion:
1. Play one of the eldrazi as your actual commander and now your deck is completely colorless. You can't get play any colored spells (even if they have devoid, because their commander identity is still whatever mana-symbols it has). All your ramp must have a colorless commander identity. Same for removal/boadwipes etc. If you want this "high powered" it's likely going to cost a ton of money because there are way less competitively costed cards for certain effects in colorless so anything that's good and colorless will be pricey (e.g. All is Dust). Do this only if you are in love with exactly one eldrazi and want to see him every game. Otherwise why play colorless and restrict yourself.
2. Play one of the two MH3 Eldrazi commanders, who have a 5 color identity. Now you have access to all colors but you're likely going to build around your eldrazi commander's ability anyway. Either of these commanders concentrate more on lower casting cost (relatively speaking) and are very specific.
Azlak can be extremely strong if you build around him but he might not actually feel very "eldrazi" because he only cares about eldrazi scions and eldrazi spawns and wants to go wide rather than tall.
Ulalek wants to copy stuff and here you still need to cast relatively cheap eldrazi because to be able to copy them, you need another 2 extra mana. Also Ulalek is INCREDIBLY tough to play well. You seriously need to learn how to use and abuse the stack for your copying-shenanigans.
3. Play a non-eldrazi commander that somehow ramps you or otherwise is generally useful while opening up at least green as a color for you. I'd personally chose option because 1. most likely it's the cheapest way to go about it 2. I'm not bound to the two mh3 commanders and 3. I'll have access powerful colored cards for whatever I have in mind with the deck-
In addition to green you probably also want red because red does two things. 1. it sometimes lets you cheat big stuff into play (sneak attack, into the breach) and it generally is really good at granting haste because running Lightning Greaves and Swiftfood boots won't be enough. You don't want to tap out to cast some big eldrazi only to have to wait a turn to attack with it.
"Meria, Scholar of Antiquity" could be decent. She is cheap, low to the ground and any artifacts you play are also ramp, but she also comes with draw. So besides just regular green ramp (nature's lore, three visits, crop rotation into ancient tomb etc.) you'll want to play really good, cheap artifacts, mostly really good equipment as those cards don't care if you tap them and they can often pay for their own equip cost (e.g. skullclamp, shadowspear, basilisk collar, but also strong non-equipment artifacts like expedition map, relic of progenitus, haywire mite etc.).
Haste granting lands like "Arena of Glory" seem like a must.
My friends hate and I mean hate when I play lord of pain
My play group would put xanathar, guild kingpin at one
So in essence, Vorinclex still is #1 considering Nadu was banned.
Everytime another one of these lists comes out and I don't see Kaalia i feel a little bit better about how she absolutely demolishes my playgroup every time I play her lol
Literally came here to see if others felt similarly. When she comes out, the table has learned to plot together for her doom. Her + Gisela + Bloodthirster + Sower of Discord will permanently delete a portion of someone’s soul.
I don't care how much people hate Ur Dragon. he is my pookie big boy lizard and I am fine with being the archenemy for it
if only they had placed the quotation marks a little better, Nadu would have been fine.
How memnarch isn't on this list is beyond me
Not one of my past or current commanders are on this list, but I assure you, I'm salty
Some of the pushed cards topping the list.
i didnt see locust god in their salt list. so does that mean i can play him again.
Nadu is banned of commander no?
Yeah, he got hit with Crypt and Jeweled Lotus.
@@blueredlover1060 And dockside, which was the only one I ran in my bestest deck
I'm surprised Zur didn't make the list
Some of these get way, way more salt than they deserve.
Helga is the new Chulane.
Wayfarer's bauble be like, yo leave me out of this vid.
Hey guys don't mind me I'm just here trying to decide what I wanna build because I'm a horrible person
im shocked linvalla is this high. drana and linvalla do the same thing, but a little bit more. plus you get other's abilities yk. very strange.
There's a handful of Legendary's that are no surprise to being on the list for 24.
The Ur Dragon
Johoden the unifier
Cheu Laine teller of tales
I may have butchered the spelling nut those too humans are ridiculous with Dragons and various other big ass creatures in MTG history.
So Krrik is fair game?
I love my Avacyn Angel of Hope deck, and nobody ever wants to play against it lol. It's board wipe tribal, and uses several repeatable ones like Nev's disk
well i mean board wipe tribal is just disgraceful of course nobody wants to play against it, leads to boring, drawn out and not very fun games
@@brody.b4 I respect everyone's time by not pulling the deck out unless the table asks for it. I do agree it slows everyone else down, but it's actually really good at actually closing out the game so it delivers interesting games. You get locked out and then you die, with most of the game spent with the table trying to stop me from locking them out for most of the game, and then I come online and wreck the board. You'd be surprised at how many people actually do want to play against that deck, it's brutal but I don't run any dedicated mld so people see it as a challenge to see how their deck holds up to hyper removal. It does have an absurdly high win rate though, so I don't often do more than mention if I brought it.
To be honest, I'd play against any of these. Think it might just be ppl getting saltier with each day.
Too many babies, half of these cards are not even that bad they are just good cards and I guess a lot of people don't like good cards.
@@Yangblaze11or maybe people are tired of playing against $1000 commander decks, you stupid piece of shit
Thank you not putting Bruvac on here so I can play everytime and no one will think it's salty. 😊😊😊
emenince is only good if its a format card kinda like those planechase cards kinda the power level question with them
Whatever it takes to beat ya
No Voja?
I'm going to keep committing war crimes with my bant Galadriel until she makes one of these lists in the top 20.
where is Sorin?
Kinnen is salty bc of the cdh combo decks.
I'm suprised the beamtown bullies didn't make it on the list.
I used to have a really high power BB deck but the core of the deck is so specialized to that commander that I don't think many people care to invest a lot to even make one? That or the game becomes archenemy or something. Though in my experience, BB was more of a nuclear deterrent for players who ran snowball-y decks
I love how your approach to card assessment is just, "this is too powerful and should never exist" completely ignoring every other format
The video title is, "The MOST Hated Commanders...".
ofc they're going to ignore all other formats. 🙄
“I don’t like eminence because you get things for nothing”…..was mad 2 cost zero cards were banned…..
I Call it tergrid is on top
Toxrill group hug yay 🎊
If Sheoldred not on there Im done with these ppl😂
Kinnan is super annoying in cedh.
wheres eluge people stay hatting on him everytime i play him, free istants on other people turn
listening to mitch complain about salt has got to be on my most annoying sounds list
Woohoo,one of the first 😊
Anyway, before I watch this vid my vote is tergid is best to play,worst to play against
first (: