Probably something like a erratic Vince Carter early in his career. Charlotte Hornets didn't have a winning culture so Bryant would have probably left free agency. Playing for stats and not winning. Who in your top 10 all-time?
He’d have still been a superstar. With his work ethic, there’s no way he wouldn’t have. He just wouldn’t have had as much team success. At least unless they’d still end up getting Baron Davis and Jamal Mashburn, then maybe would have made a little bit of noise.
What if the Washington Wizards never gave up on Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Rip Hamilton to help the Pistons get some chips during the 2000's and they traded Chris Webber in his prime to Sacramento for old ass broken ran down Mitch I can chuck 3's and hurt my knees Richmond and Michael I can't score over 13pts Smith
Really great points! I would add that the Duncan-Van Horn switch would have prevented the current false narrative of TD being a PF because even with his entire career in San Antonio, he played more seasons as a Center. Had he been drafted by the Nets, he likely would have been a Center his entire career without having Robinson to do the dirty work dealing with the physically demanding opponents like Shaq. The Kobe one is interesting because had Charlotte kept him, he may have gotten closer to MJ from a statistical perspective, being in the historically weak Leastern Conference era. However, it also would have prevented the NBA to push the Lakers over the Jailblazers and Kings without such an obvious power pairing with Shaq (who may have ended his career with only 1 or 2 titles). In fact, San Antonio may have won another title as well as Portland and Sacramento each taking one. KG, as with Juwan Howard, is partly to blame for the Joe Smith scandal because they started the insane $100+ million contracts that kneecapped their respective team's salary cap. Certainly, he is entitled to earning as much pay as possible, but had he taken a small discount to legitimately attract free agents, Smith/McHale/T-Wolves management would have not cheated.
Remember now, the 76ers had the number 2 pick in 1997. If Van Horn goes to the Spurs, Duncan would go to Philly and he doesn't get traded to the Nets.....Now Philly would have Iverson and Duncan. That would've been extremely interesting
I was about to post the same thing. I do not believe ball hogging would have been an issue because Iverson would have realized Duncan's talent from the start.
@@algorhythm83I doubt seeing Duncan could play would have stopped Iverson from ball hoggin live ivo dude is an NBA and basketball legend... But let's be honest dude was also a collosal shot jacker
@@johndavis9321 I believe it would have been a good inside/outside match. Iverson worked with an older Chris Webber. I believe he would have done damage with a younger Tim Duncan. Remember they got Theo Ratliff which turned into Mutumbo. Imagine that front court. Hey, the world will never know.
If Kobe hadn’t had that pre draft workout in LA then he probably wouldn’t have ended up in Charlotte. He’d have gone higher. The story went that after speaking to West, Kobe was determined to get to LA and put the word out that any team that drafted him and didn’t trade him there wouldn’t get him. He was threatening to go play in Italy if he didn’t go to LA. So Charlotte drafted because they wanted Divac.
The Houston Rockets could have had Jordan, Olajuwon and Drexler on the same team. If Len Bias wouldn't have passed away, playing with Bird, McHale, Parish, Dennis Johnson. Carmelo getting drafted by the Detroit Pistons.
Robinson being there to mentor Duncan was definitely helpful. I don't agree, Duncan was the slam dunk (pun intended) number one pick at the time, where the Celtics and other teams were straight tanking for him. Minnesota getting caught trying to skirt the cap was a real bizarre story. KG was on his way with Marbury, he needed another shooter or point guard. As for Kobe, him staying in Charlotte could've had a huge ripple effect, the Hornets probably never leave for New Orleans, we don't know if Phil Jackson goes to Charlotte, since the Triangle was well catered towards Shaq and Kobe.
In my mind, biggest what if of the 90s, is what if cold war didnt keep Sabonis from arriving to Portland before Blazers made the finals. Maybe Bulls cant compete against a dominant center and Jordan retires with... lets say two rings?
Maybe. That's an interesting thought because the Bulls had centers but they were never dominant, not even Luc Longley when he was at his best. What made the Bulls the dynasty they became were their guards. But Portland had great ones too and Sabonis would have meshed perfect with them.
I love your content, but honestly Duncan was a sure pick at first, the second pick was a questionable thing... I was reading ton of basketball magazines and it was going to be the DUNCAN pick ( in this thinking it fails, if you go that way that What if Nets won the 1st pick it can be) Joe Smith- never understood why to get Smith who played the same position like KG, not going for a shooting guard or a real small forward or Center. I'm more curious if he stays on GSW for that 80million dollar deal, would he become an all-star? Getting better as a first option? Kobe- for this as well you need to check the draft period, all knew he has talent but was like a prospect (as he was in real time), he told the teams which teams he would play for, for many he said he would go to play in Italy... Hornets got Vlade, while the Cavs drafted Potapenko... I think he would have been similar to AI, as an individualist who never pass, a bit similar to early Jordan.
What if the Sonics wouldve paid Shawn Kemp what he deserved after taking the sonics, along with Gary Payton, to the finals...or what if Chicago wouldve traded Pippen for Kemp...
In 1998-99, I did my "50 All Time Worst NBA Players," and "Franchise Nightmare Team" for each team. Here are some comments from my friends: "Oh come on, you have to take Tracy McGrady off of your all-time worst team." And, they disagreed when I also put Antoine Carr, John Battle, Tyrone Corbin, Frank Johnson, Dana Barros and Terry Teagle on my All-Time Worst List.
I don't think the Spurs will be successful with Keith Van Horn, David Robinson is not as he used to be,maybe still a playoff team but not as championship contender, and so Tim Duncan will not taste the success if he played in New Jersey
He was fit, yes, but athletic....maybe not as much. I think he was talking more about his range of motion and flexibility to do more creatively....kind of like his teammate Duncan.
I just looked at the KG one today. Minnesota was a playoff team every year they lost a pick and the #1 seed in 2004. They got their picks back in 2003 (Ndudi Ebi at #26) and 2005 (Rashad McCants at #14). 2001 they could have taken Tony Parker but realistically they had Terrell Brandon and Chauncey Billips and they probably would have taken Brendan Haywood. He was aite 2002 i think best case scenario is they take Tayshaun Prince but I don't know if he helps them as much as that hurts Detroit who is in another conference and helps the Lakers who probably could have beat MN with Tayshaun and surely would beaten Indiana again who might've gotten past a Detroit team without Tayshaun, remember the clutch block on Reggie Miller. 2004 they were #1 in the west and could have got Anderson Varejão. Yawn. So it wasn't really that big of a deal. It's like, imagine if the 90s Bulls lost all their draft picks. As for trading the picks, they were all in the 20s until 2005 so I don't think they would have got much. Minnesota and KG just didn't get it done. But in fairness, it was a brutal stretch for a western conference team to try to grow into a contender. If anything, you could say, that since the penalty didn't matter, they should have cheated for a more impactful player. Like they should have got Sprewell in 99 or something And the Kobe one... Kobe wanted to go to LA. That Charlotte traded him is not dumb. The dumb thing is that they got Vlade Divac and like three teams ahead of Charlotte took centers who weren't half as good as Vlade Divac. Like if you're going to take a shitty center and hope for the best, just take Kobe and trade him for Vlade Divac who went to the Finals with Magic Johnson and clearly knows a thing or two about basketball. Clippers, Dallas, Indiana, Golden State... get smarter guys 😆
Duncan was a Wembanyama level lock for the #1 pick. Kinda feel that's a silly "what if". If you had said "What if San Antonio hadnt gotten the first pick?" It would have made more sense
Lol, I hear you. Van Horn's game was beast but it was probably because Utah's conference was not challenging like the ACC nor did Van Horn necessarily carry Utah the way Duncan's presence seemed to with Wake Forest.
@TheRetroWoman80 Duncan could anchor an offense and defense. Van Horn was never asked for anchor a defense in college or the NBA....I think his NBA ceiling was 3rd best player on a championship team.
No jc as I have told you I am a life long lakers fan the only place kobe could be is the lakers. He was made to take magic Johnson s place as the next greatest leader in team history.
Can't stop clonage, unfortunately🤷♀️ And I have witnessed certain channels start out with one energy/focus and the gradually bite off another's game to increase subscribers. Highly inauthentic.
Always wondered if Kobe's career would've been better or worse or the same pretty much, had he stayed with Charlotte on draft night.
Way different. We're talking about the Lakers.
Probably something like a erratic Vince Carter early in his career. Charlotte Hornets didn't have a winning culture so Bryant would have probably left free agency. Playing for stats and not winning. Who in your top 10 all-time?
Same with Curry going to the wolves people most people doesn't remember but Steph is very injury prone early in his career
He’d have still been a superstar. With his work ethic, there’s no way he wouldn’t have. He just wouldn’t have had as much team success. At least unless they’d still end up getting Baron Davis and Jamal Mashburn, then maybe would have made a little bit of noise.
What if the Washington Wizards never gave up on Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, Rip Hamilton to help the Pistons get some chips during the 2000's and they traded Chris Webber in his prime to Sacramento for old ass broken ran down Mitch I can chuck 3's and hurt my knees Richmond and Michael I can't score over 13pts Smith
Still Crazy to think that Kobe Bryant is No Longer here🏀
yeah that’s crazy . LLKB 💜💛
Man... No cap 🧢
#GuruBasketballKieroSays
Seriously.
I say that once a day
@@jeronedavis165 me too
Really great points!
I would add that the Duncan-Van Horn switch would have prevented the current false narrative of TD being a PF because even with his entire career in San Antonio, he played more seasons as a Center. Had he been drafted by the Nets, he likely would have been a Center his entire career without having Robinson to do the dirty work dealing with the physically demanding opponents like Shaq.
The Kobe one is interesting because had Charlotte kept him, he may have gotten closer to MJ from a statistical perspective, being in the historically weak Leastern Conference era. However, it also would have prevented the NBA to push the Lakers over the Jailblazers and Kings without such an obvious power pairing with Shaq (who may have ended his career with only 1 or 2 titles). In fact, San Antonio may have won another title as well as Portland and Sacramento each taking one.
KG, as with Juwan Howard, is partly to blame for the Joe Smith scandal because they started the insane $100+ million contracts that kneecapped their respective team's salary cap. Certainly, he is entitled to earning as much pay as possible, but had he taken a small discount to legitimately attract free agents, Smith/McHale/T-Wolves management would have not cheated.
Nobody cared about kg in minnesota while there was barkley malone and kemp
Oh there are scripts.
Garnett is not a top 10 all time great.. Who u taking out the top ten to put garnett in?!?
Duncan would've been the #1 pick regardless who was picking.
Remember now, the 76ers had the number 2 pick in 1997. If Van Horn goes to the Spurs, Duncan would go to Philly and he doesn't get traded to the Nets.....Now Philly would have Iverson and Duncan. That would've been extremely interesting
Sure would have been. But I don't see even Duncan stopping Iverson's ball hogging.
I was about to post the same thing. I do not believe ball hogging would have been an issue because Iverson would have realized Duncan's talent from the start.
@@algorhythm83I doubt seeing Duncan could play would have stopped Iverson from ball hoggin live ivo dude is an NBA and basketball legend... But let's be honest dude was also a collosal shot jacker
@@johndavis9321 I believe it would have been a good inside/outside match. Iverson worked with an older Chris Webber. I believe he would have done damage with a younger Tim Duncan. Remember they got Theo Ratliff which turned into Mutumbo. Imagine that front court. Hey, the world will never know.
If Kobe hadn’t had that pre draft workout in LA then he probably wouldn’t have ended up in Charlotte. He’d have gone higher. The story went that after speaking to West, Kobe was determined to get to LA and put the word out that any team that drafted him and didn’t trade him there wouldn’t get him. He was threatening to go play in Italy if he didn’t go to LA. So Charlotte drafted because they wanted Divac.
The Houston Rockets could have had Jordan, Olajuwon and Drexler on the same team. If Len Bias wouldn't have passed away, playing with Bird, McHale, Parish, Dennis Johnson. Carmelo getting drafted by the Detroit Pistons.
Wow I didn’t know Sam Perkins was drafted ahead of Charles Barkley
Us from Jersey ate still mad about Kobe..Coach Cal was gonna take him at 9 but Kobe made ot clear he didnt want to play for NJ
your content is steadily improving , salute to you
Robinson being there to mentor Duncan was definitely helpful. I don't agree, Duncan was the slam dunk (pun intended) number one pick at the time, where the Celtics and other teams were straight tanking for him. Minnesota getting caught trying to skirt the cap was a real bizarre story. KG was on his way with Marbury, he needed another shooter or point guard. As for Kobe, him staying in Charlotte could've had a huge ripple effect, the Hornets probably never leave for New Orleans, we don't know if Phil Jackson goes to Charlotte, since the Triangle was well catered towards Shaq and Kobe.
You should do a Stunted Franchise series starting with the Washington Wizards no championships for 43 years after this season 44 years
Bryant refused to play in Charlotte. That's not on the Hornets, surely?
In my mind, biggest what if of the 90s, is what if cold war didnt keep Sabonis from arriving to Portland before Blazers made the finals. Maybe Bulls cant compete against a dominant center and Jordan retires with... lets say two rings?
Maybe. That's an interesting thought because the Bulls had centers but they were never dominant, not even Luc Longley when he was at his best. What made the Bulls the dynasty they became were their guards. But Portland had great ones too and Sabonis would have meshed perfect with them.
Could you do Rodney stuckey? A bucket in college, went to detroit and never really put it together
RIP Drazen
90s...last time you saw meaningful defense actually being played 😅😂and not all the damn 3s
The 2000s had the deadball era and lowest scoring defense was really prevalent during that time
Tell me about it!!! Ugh, it just up and disappeared.
You got to wonder what if the Wolves did not trade Ray Allen to the Bucks after getting drafted by them.
What the Hornets was thinking😤
No Disrespect To Bubba Chuck, But Philly Said Had Duncan Came Out In 96 They Would've Took Him So 97 Was A No Brainer That He Was Goin #1
I love your content, but honestly Duncan was a sure pick at first, the second pick was a questionable thing... I was reading ton of basketball magazines and it was going to be the DUNCAN pick ( in this thinking it fails, if you go that way that What if Nets won the 1st pick it can be)
Joe Smith- never understood why to get Smith who played the same position like KG, not going for a shooting guard or a real small forward or Center. I'm more curious if he stays on GSW for that 80million dollar deal, would he become an all-star? Getting better as a first option?
Kobe- for this as well you need to check the draft period, all knew he has talent but was like a prospect (as he was in real time), he told the teams which teams he would play for, for many he said he would go to play in Italy... Hornets got Vlade, while the Cavs drafted Potapenko... I think he would have been similar to AI, as an individualist who never pass, a bit similar to early Jordan.
One that would be good is Dennis Scott. Was a great sharpshooter for Orlando then fell off the face of the Earth.
Also, Kobe had refused to play for the Hornets. That was a large part of what happened. The Hornets made that trade for that reason as well.
What if the Sonics wouldve paid Shawn Kemp what he deserved after taking the sonics, along with Gary Payton, to the finals...or what if Chicago wouldve traded Pippen for Kemp...
🤔Maybe he would be on his way to a chip but I wonder if that would have stopped the drinking too?🤷♀️
96 and 2003 was the 2 best draft class thus far!!
What about 84?
@@shakenblake4533Right
Bruh. This is reaching.
Who goes under da table fa Joe Smith who was aight as Dubs rookie but not no franchise change cat
I agree. He peaked at Maryland and coasted in the NBA.
Carl Wright smu
What family baggage did Kobe have on his name?
I thought about that too. Didn't his family drama happen a few years into the league when he started going out with Vanessa?
U gotta be crazy if dnt see sports entertainment isn't scripted smh 🤦🏾♂️
It's not wwf 😆 wwe
True. This whole planet is.
In 1998-99, I did my "50 All Time Worst NBA Players," and "Franchise Nightmare Team" for each team. Here are some comments from my friends: "Oh come on, you have to take Tracy McGrady off of your all-time worst team." And, they disagreed when I also put Antoine Carr, John Battle, Tyrone Corbin, Frank Johnson, Dana Barros and Terry Teagle on my All-Time Worst List.
I don't think the Spurs will be successful with Keith Van Horn, David Robinson is not as he used to be,maybe still a playoff team but not as championship contender, and so Tim Duncan will not taste the success if he played in New Jersey
Whatchu mean David Robinson wasnt athletic, that dude was fit as hell
He was fit, yes, but athletic....maybe not as much. I think he was talking more about his range of motion and flexibility to do more creatively....kind of like his teammate Duncan.
@@TheRetroWoman80 lol um David Robinson was more agile than Duncan
I just looked at the KG one today.
Minnesota was a playoff team every year they lost a pick and the #1 seed in 2004. They got their picks back in 2003 (Ndudi Ebi at #26) and 2005 (Rashad McCants at #14).
2001 they could have taken Tony Parker but realistically they had Terrell Brandon and Chauncey Billips and they probably would have taken Brendan Haywood. He was aite
2002 i think best case scenario is they take Tayshaun Prince but I don't know if he helps them as much as that hurts Detroit who is in another conference and helps the Lakers who probably could have beat MN with Tayshaun and surely would beaten Indiana again who might've gotten past a Detroit team without Tayshaun, remember the clutch block on Reggie Miller.
2004 they were #1 in the west and could have got Anderson Varejão. Yawn.
So it wasn't really that big of a deal.
It's like, imagine if the 90s Bulls lost all their draft picks.
As for trading the picks, they were all in the 20s until 2005 so I don't think they would have got much.
Minnesota and KG just didn't get it done. But in fairness, it was a brutal stretch for a western conference team to try to grow into a contender.
If anything, you could say, that since the penalty didn't matter, they should have cheated for a more impactful player. Like they should have got Sprewell in 99 or something
And the Kobe one...
Kobe wanted to go to LA. That Charlotte traded him is not dumb. The dumb thing is that they got Vlade Divac and like three teams ahead of Charlotte took centers who weren't half as good as Vlade Divac.
Like if you're going to take a shitty center and hope for the best, just take Kobe and trade him for Vlade Divac who went to the Finals with Magic Johnson and clearly knows a thing or two about basketball.
Clippers, Dallas, Indiana, Golden State... get smarter guys 😆
Duncan was a Wembanyama level lock for the #1 pick. Kinda feel that's a silly "what if". If you had said "What if San Antonio hadnt gotten the first pick?" It would have made more sense
Trading vlade for Kobe is the equivalent of, the 76ers thinking that offering Dr.J for Jordan was a fair deal 😂.
KG was amazing but NOT a Top-10 All-Time Great!
In what world was Van Horn going to be picked over Duncan?
Lol, I hear you. Van Horn's game was beast but it was probably because Utah's conference was not challenging like the ACC nor did Van Horn necessarily carry Utah the way Duncan's presence seemed to with Wake Forest.
@TheRetroWoman80 Duncan could anchor an offense and defense. Van Horn was never asked for anchor a defense in college or the NBA....I think his NBA ceiling was 3rd best player on a championship team.
@@AlaMO96 Agreed.
No jc as I have told you I am a life long lakers fan the only place kobe could be is the lakers. He was made to take magic Johnson s place as the next greatest leader in team history.
Love ya videos bro keep ‘em coming!!!pause!
There was never a question, TD was going to be the #1 pick. The van horn thing is a reach
Could you make one about Franklin Jackson
Hornets still making bonehead pics til this day 😂
Who the hell would take Van Horn over Duncan?
What if Melo went to Pistons..
Just watched a new channel (Upthescore) where some dude was trying too hard to sound like stunted growth 🤦🏿♂️ 😂
Can't stop clonage, unfortunately🤷♀️ And I have witnessed certain channels start out with one energy/focus and the gradually bite off another's game to increase subscribers. Highly inauthentic.
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Rodrigue Beaubois, Francisco Garcia, Shawn Williams
U don’t think Jordon in a different script won’t b MJ? Stop! Love ur videos brother! Do u !!!!
Great
KG is and never was considered a top 10 player.
KG n Duncan stat wise had the same career. Imagine them switching career paths. Would Duncan have the same success or would KG thrive with Pop?
And having David Robinson
How does GSW pick Joe Smith over McDyess n KG
Joe Smith was a beast at Maryland.
Great video as always, but I definitely can’t agree with KG being a top-10 all-time great.
Tim Duncan is a top 10 boring player
KG top 25 not top 10-15
K. Bryant, M. Jordan, E. Johnson, L. Bird, L. James, B. Russell, W. Chamberlin, K. Jabar, S. O'Neil. Who would you add to this list?
We are already up to 9.
O. Robinson has the numbers. But does not pass my "eye test".
H. Olajuwon was as good as these guys.
For the 10th spot options: Barkley / Curry / Erving / Ewing / Olajuwan / Malone / Stockton / Duncan / Garnett / Robertson / Wilkins / I. Thomas / Cousy / McAdoo / Durant / Robinson
I forgot about Dr. J. That is 10.