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I hate the idea of EVs but I’m all fairness you should have mention the solution of storage batteries at charging station that allows a buffer of power the same as a 20 or 40k litres of fuel in an underground tank . You could then delve into the potential hazard of fire risk of the batteries at the charging station moreover in a combined petrol / charging station.thus presenting a more complete argument against EVs
Yes, very fair point although as you say if you think EV batteries are bad, how about an entire container full of them?
And then you have to address the heat risk that charging and discharging that the batteries and wires would have putting more pressure on the electrical grid (unless you have diesel generation supplement)
You should look up the mega battery fire in Queensland, AUS.
Don't forget the round-trip energy-efficiency factor of lithium batteries. Under a range of operating conditions, one might expect a battery's electricity offtake from the grid to exceed electricity delivered to the cars by about 20%.
If the "servo" has to install batteries you sure as hell aren't going to get a cheap charge.
A friend's son who is an electrician recently got a call to a company that were replacing their vehicles with ev's. He was asked to give them a quote to install on-site chargers, they were shocked when he advised them there wasn't enough power to their business to run the chargers.
He was referring to them not having enough space in the electrical panels on the sight to add more circuits. That’s not uncommon. The fix would be to add a sub panel feeding off the existing panel but you can only pull so much from that also. Additionally in a typical commercial building the transformer feeding the building itself might not be enough, I’d say a study would have to be preformed by the power company to determine that. Most transformers are old and haven’t been updated. When a business moves into a location they don’t update things like this to accommodate for things they want as it’s expensive. They typically make everything look pretty and put lipstick on a pig, this is true for a used sight when the previous owner went out of business and the new folks move in. Just my two cents.
Nice pun..."shocked".. lol
I am a design engineer for the local electrical company, we have hundred of businesses now applying for upgrades to their supply because they want to change over to EV for their new fleet of companies vehicles.
In most cases the power required for the new proposed EV charging is bigger than the load they are currently using to run their entire factory.
And on top of this the costs are increasing because the existing network cannot cope with the extra power that is needed without major upgrades.
In one case a certain elite expensive car company are going to change their entire fleet of heavy goods arctic delivery lorries that supplies the parts to their car factory to EV.
So at their storage plant where the new EV lorries will park overnight they are asking for enough power equivalent to what a small town or large village would use.
So we will need to upgrade the electrical network in that part of the city to be able to cope with it.
We are still trying to work out how to do it …. but the current estimate of costs is about £350,000 worth of work just to make the network strong enough to cope with their new power demand.
@@Bill308A10 Maybe he meant the cable supplying the business was not big enough to carry the extra power. This happened in districts of London where 'shock horror' people were told they could not charge their EV because the power supply to their area was not big enough. There is not an endless supply of electricity to feed these EV... in fact power outages are becoming more and more common in our area, pretty much twice a week now.
The electrical networks are no where close to being sufficient to provide enough power to charge en masse. It’s all a pipe dream.
If the EV was a viable alternative form of transport, the government wouldn't need legislation to force people into buying them.
Bingo.
They did not have to ban the horse when Ford model T became available did they.
Like solar panels and wind turbines. If they were really the economic saviour government says they are, then they would be adopted by the market. Anything the government has to subsidise usually isn't a good idea.
What he said, no subsidy for an electric bomb
@@Hunty49 hahahaha, industry is going into solar and wind big time, massive investment by industry.
There is a charging station in my nearby grocery store parking lot. Last night (Friday evening at 9 PM) I was doing my shopping and saw that there were approximately 10 EVs in line waiting for their turns at one of the approximately 10 chargers. Assuming each car takes half an hour to charge and there were about 10 chargers, the wait time in line to charge one's car was about 30 minutes, followed by another 30 minutes to actually charge one's car. What a great way to spend one's Friday night!
Ridiculous…!
People who own EVs mustn’t have a social life ..
If you have time to wait around for vehicles to charge you need to seriously look at your life choices…
That's what you get when you put in a low rate charger with free parking attached....
Electric vehicles were made to be charged not at Supermarkets not at casino not anywhere but at home....what a concept......and idiots bought the government's plan for cleaner energy what a scam.......anything the government decides what would b good for you isn't....😮😮😮
Electric vehicles were made to be charged not at Supermarkets not at casino not anywhere but at home....what a concept......and idiots bought the government's plan for cleaner energy what a scam.......anything the government decides what would b good for you isn't....😮😮😮
WHAT happens when the power goes out, like it did recently in my neck of the woods...for 10 days !!
No power, no pumping fuel , no charging ev , no accessing money via card...SOLUTION...keep cash handy , keep fuel car , keep praying for common sense to prevail , keep voicing our concerns, and keep supporting channels like this . Thankyou one and all for the good work you do 💜
That's why it is important to have solar and a battery at every charger where possible. I have this exact scenario at home, and every time the grid goes offline, my battery powers the house for days.
Lee McMaster just reported this, he was in Scotland at a four charger, with four EVs and they realized that they could not all charge at one time, so they had to reduce to just two EVs. This makes sense, thanks for your video.
Yes I saw that and thought if it when watching this video.
@@josiecoote8975 We'll continue to suffer. All for the creation of an electricity energy monopoly so the elites can get richer WHILE STILL REQUIRING FOSSIL FUELS TO GENERATE THE REQUIRED ELECTRICITY!!! Madness.
But if there was a 40ft container full of charged ex-EV batteries recycled as storage (like a tank at a service station)...
then they could all charge at once.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkand if unicorns were real, we would all have flying horses.
I am a design engineer for the local electrical company, we have hundred of businesses now applying for upgrades to their supply because they want to change over to EV for their new fleet of companies vehicles.
In most cases the power required for the new proposed EV charging is bigger than the load they are currently using to run their entire factory.
And on top of this the costs are increasing because the existing network cannot cope with the extra power that is needed without major upgrades.
In one case a certain elite expensive car company are going to change their entire fleet of heavy goods arctic delivery lorries that supplies the parts to their car factory to EV.
So at their storage plant where the new EV lorries will park overnight they are asking for enough power equivalent to what a small town or large village would use.
So we will need to upgrade the electrical network in that part of the city to be able to cope with it.
We are still trying to work out how to do it …. but the current estimate of costs is about £350,000 worth of work just to make the network strong enough to cope with their new power
There's another advantage of the tank. It's simple infrastructure that can be set up in the middle of nowhere. Just have a tanker drive by and fill it regularly and you're good to go. With EVs you need the entire infrastructure to generate electricity on the spot or connect to the grid, which might be really expensive if you're out in the boonies.
That is exactly what trucking companies do when their trucks are mostly in the yard at night, a refueling service come around and top up every truck.
And the grid is powered by fossil fuel defeating the entire object/issue!
@@suzanneberger8202 Maybe get educated on the issue before shooting your foot. Currently 20+% of US grid is powered by renewable energy. And even the part that is still fossil generates power way more efficiently than individual combustion engines due to their much larger scale.
@@erichop822 So that implies 80 percent of the grid is fueled by fossil fuels... So unless your home is off the grid, your EV is most likely being charged from a 80 percent fossil fuel fueled grid... Your EV isn't really emission free, is it?
@@ronclark9724 Your EV is. Your power generation isn't. Yet. These numbers are changing rapidly at the moment. There are already lots of people charging their EV at home from solar. 20% was a pipe dream only 2 decades ago. And with every new green energy source installed the numbers become better. For all EVs. Meanwhile the numbers for petrol cars hardly improve in the US due to lax fuel efficiency laws. Lobbying works, it seems.
As I've repeatedly told people, EVs are only *half* a solution (at best). The other half of the solution would be improving the power grid. However, since the same people insisting we switch to EVs are the same ones that are against us expanding our power grid, then EVs will instead be nothing but a new problem adding to existing problems.
Nice word salad.
If China can do it, why not Australia?
It is time for people to put away their prejudices, get off the high horses, and learn from facts.
Can you mention any EV user who said he was against expanding the power grid?
Good thing that 90% of the power generated is done so with fossil fuels, b/c clean efficient nuclear power is too scawwy. Green vehicles my fat a$$.
To switch us all to EV's, the capacity of the power grid will have to at least double.
Never mind all the issues with charging.
Never going to happen short of mythological level improvements in power generation and battery technology.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! There are so many things wrong with the rush to EV vehicles that only ignorant politicians could be enthusiastic about making them mandatory.
Should have kept the horse.
Decades for petrol stations to become common, 50 years before the first motorway.
10 years of EVs, it all takes time.
There is an EV battery factory in Kentucky, that is powered by a coal-fuelled power station.
And one day it won't be.
@@nevillewran4083One day it'll probably be a smoking crater.
Yet the Gigafactory in Nevada has no real viable option to use Coal powered stations. The entire south west region simply does not have good coal supply. Who'd thunk you could run Battery Factories without Coal fired plants.
Producing a battery is only a small part of the energy it will hold during it's lifetime, as they can do over 1.200 fully charging cycles (LFP even over 3.500 full charging cycles) before capacity gets too low for a car.
@@NeojhunThere are currently four active coal power plant proposals in Nevada, totaling 4,050 MW, which would more than double Nevada's existing coal-fired energy capacity. Nevada ranks 33rd out of the 50 states in terms of coal energy production.
The best way to make sure every ev can charge when wanted is to have a diesel powered generator that starts when charging is required- the more charge points the more diesel powered generators are needed- keep it green - you know it makes sense because a politician said so
Haha!
@@sjb3460 What shame and why?
Strange, we make use of s grid that is already 50 percent renewables and increasing. What very strange and bizarre ideas you have! But then your EV hatred means you lost your marbles.
@RAM_845 No, wind turbines are operated by wind, you strange person.
So true. There is an image of an outback EV charging station coupled to a diesel generator.
Hi, recent subscriber when I saw the thumb nail pic for this vid. Im an ASP electrician working for a company that builds these sites an installs these chargers. We've done Tesla sites with up to 12 chargers requiring 4 super chargers to feed them. More commonly we do 1-2 chargers at Ampol service stations. Both situations require a larger electrical supply to the sites which is regulated by that area's network distributors. Ampol are installing massive solar systems with BESS battery systems to compensate a little. The amount of power needed to charge these vehicles in a reasonable time is rediculass! And electricity is nowhere near being produced in an environmentally friendly way enough to sustain EV vehicles.
And people's response to this is to add more solar and more batteries to the grid....
But it's green. IT'S SO GREEN! LOL
This proves politicians don’t have a lick of common sense. They can’t see beyond the end of the lobbyist’s nose.
Every summer we have brownouts in hot weather and scheduled blackouts where senior citizens (some of which die as a result) and people that have medical issues suffer. Who is going to decide who gets the limited electrical resources when there is a plethora of electric cars demanding to be charged in these situations? Will charging stations be refused electricity in these situations?
What about electric emergency vehicles in these situations?
Ridiculous.
@@mrow7598
@@mrow7598 And anyone that thinks solar cells and batteries are "environmentally friendly" is delusional.
Noticed this issue a couple of weeks ago. A dealership with only four carpark chargers only able to use only two during opening hours hours otherwise the workshop and showroom power supply would shutdown. 😮
where exactly?
@@Nordic_Mechanic United Kingdom, so I would expect that the electrical infrastructure supply should be able to cope. (not in a isolated area). 🤔
Whoever did their install hasn't done a good job. The chargers should be able to scale down current based on availability
@@StephenDeTomasi Yeah, so then you will leave your car to charge for twice the time......this reminds me of those 80s joke about having imported cars 1 week on the street and 2 months on the repair shop.........the joke came back, in the form of a EV
@@StephenDeTomasi no some sales guy said you need 4 chargers ,
they didn't talk to a electrician first
A trucking company in a town in Illinois wanted to switch over to electric trucks but when they presented their proposal to the town they were were told no. They would have needed more power than the whole town was using and the grid would not support that.
I am a design engineer for the local electrical company in England, we have hundred of businesses now applying for upgrades to their supply because they want to change over to EV for their new fleet of companies vehicles.
In most cases the power required for the new proposed EV charging is bigger than the load they are currently using to run their entire factory.
And on top of this the costs are increasing because the existing network cannot cope with the extra power that is needed without major upgrades.
In one case a certain elite expensive car company are going to change their entire fleet of heavy goods arctic delivery lorries that supplies the parts to their car factory to EV.
So at their storage plant where the new EV lorries will park overnight they are asking for enough power equivalent to what a small town or large village would use.
So we will need to upgrade the electrical network in that part of the city to be able to cope with it.
We are still trying to work out how to do it …. but the current estimate of costs is about £350,000 worth of work just to make the network strong enough to cope with their new power demands.
And that is without the costs of installing the EV charger equipment itself
And the electricity source is ~70% fossil fuel - so what is the point?@@robg521
Same thing happened in New York
That is simply not true unless the town was a necropolis.
@@rbdogwood th-cam.com/video/aCoAsPtgRKg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=w-vv3BQvc7wvfs9i There’s a link to a TH-cam video for you. If you still don’t believe do some research of your own. What would happen if everything was electric and the switch was being made over to fossil fuels? Look at the existing infrastructure we have for this including refineries. All the energy currently being produced by fossil fuels needs to be replaced by electricity and it’s just not possible to do that overnight.
I've always called the EV a solution in search of a problem. I have not changed my mind.
Spot on! Agreed 💯
It's actually a problem that needs a solution.
What EV owners LOVE: Makes them feel smarter than you
What they hate: Charging their cars
DUHHH!
I'm not apposed to EVs at all. They are great; however, too many people are pretending that they can do things that they can't do. They would be ideal for commuting to work and for groceries. Just plug it in when you get home. Want to drive from Eastern Montana to South East Wyoming? Not gonna happen.
EVs are great but not for everyone. I have had one with now over 100k miles, no oil changes, no gas, no maintenance except for tires. I have a gas car and a Diesel SUV also that cost quite a bit more to operate. If you can charge at home, people should get an EV for commuting and day to day stuff .... they are great. ;) Plus they are comparatively faster, and my EV drives the same as if it was brand new.
The tank has a central submerged pump that feeds fuel to each gas "pump" which is actually a metering station with a card transaction device as a point of sale device. The individual pump went out of use decades ago. Also, in the US, one of our government bureaucrats decided on a road trip in her EV. She had her staff block charging lanes so that she wouldn't have to wait in line. Great PR for EVs.
I'd love to see a link to that news article. :-)
@@darrennew8211 Did you find the news article?
@@cabot100 I didn't look. I don't care *that* much, mainly because I'm not the least bit surprised. Had someone actually given a name or a date or something I might have bothered. :-)
@@darrennew8211 do you not know how to do a search on the internet?
Perhaps you are simply lazy?
@@cabot100 There's a difference between being lazy and doing work whose outcome you don't care about. Why don't *you* do it if you're interested in the answer? Are you just a parasite?
In my city most of the EV chargers have had their cables hacksawed off by local criminals so charging times and capacity are no longer a problem.
Please tell me why? I don't get it. Resale? Spite?
@@napalmholocaust9093 COME TO south AFRICA AND FIND OUT ABOUT COPPER THEFT FOR SCRAP TO EXPORT TO CHINA
Meth addiction comes with a fascination of precious metals, copper and aluminium being favourites.
Easy solution keep the power applied😅
@@napalmholocaust9093 Probably for $10 worth of copper wire. I own a couple of commercial buildings and have had air conditioning units destroyed for scrap metal.
Let's be generous and say an average EV stands on a public charger for 20 minutes and gets a range of 240 miles (more like 140 but bear with me).
It's generally accepted it takes 5 minutes to refuel an ICE car which then has 400 miles range (often more). If every car is an EV the sheer 'space' needed for public charging is mind blowing. Home charging will hardly ease it if many households have more than one EV or no off road parking. Regardless of the infastructure issues the whole thing is a house of cards.
and you will provide the fire fighting capability needed to protect the community?
65 times less likely to catch fire - even more so for LFP@@seanworkman431
The new Shenxing battery can easily provide 1000km range with less than ten minutes to charge to 400km. We aren't talking about about gen1 Nissan Leafs anymore -battery tech advances year on year.
Exacty. Let's say you have half the mileage and take 4x the time, that means you need to have 8 times as much EV charging stations as you need gas stations at the moment.
Most people will charge during rush hours, so you need the grid to support that.
Yep, that's why EV's are pointless technology
Also, my understanding is that these charging stations are now billing by time so if it takes longer to get the same amount of charge, you’re paying more for the same charge.
Imagine a car pulls into a petrol service station.
The tanker is hooked onto the end of one measly little fuel line and the car gets fuelled off that line coming out of the tanker.
Then 10 cars all try to suck out of the one thin line coming out of the tanker....
There's the problem...no storage "tank"
Now imagine an EV charging station with one measly 1mw line and 10 EV's sucking off it...
Further imagine 5 x 40ft shipping containers full of recycled ex EV batteries on site that had recharged all day from the solar canopy over the EV charging area...
and from off peak electricity all night from the electric grid.
Suddenly by using a brain and spending on a "tank" (a reserve of electricity) all 10 EVs are charging......
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkhmmm, time to recharge your brain, it’s in delusional mode.
OMG thats funny! "suddenly by using a brain" Like ANY law maker has ever done this.....@@JohnSmith-pl2bk
The underground fuel tank is reality.
The above ground electric fuel tank is is also a reality...
Do you not see the exact parallels????
@@johncalvin9703
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Then imagine a more likely situation, all the cars charging at that station burning because one of the used batteries caught on fire from a previously unnoticed flaw in one of the cells. Which starts a major conflagration and reduces the entire complex to rubble as fire fighters are unable to extinguish the battery fire.
Brilliant explanation. Well made point. Even if the infrastructure eventually gets improved, the energy companies wont foot the bill. They will pass on the costs to ALL customers including the non-EV users!
NOt really its lame video, he purposely left out battery packs which is the same as having a tank under ground
They will never improve the grid enough; remember that their ultimate goal is to get rid of cars.
It might look brilliant to you but the rest of us think you've just illuminated your ignorance.
You can always get somebody to go ahead of you and hold your place in line. I hear that’s very popular amongst politicians. Especially ones that are pushing electric vehicles. Thanks for the info. I was peripherally aware of this, but now I am more so.
You heard that one also?? LOL!!
Thanks for mentioning the reality of how these charging stations are effecting the rest of the grid. My guess is that any industrial demand is going to take priority over these charging stations and hopefully private sector use as well. I'm not interested in having a reduction in my electric usage because of EV clowns buying in to the Soylent Green goal.
@richardweyland, " My guess is that any industrial demand is going to take priority"
@@dl7596Until it allows monopolies to rule over it! Then it either bleeds into communism & socialism! Ie: slavery for the peasants!
I understand that you try to guess and even think, but why not try google to learn more like many others?
@@dl7596 Forgive him for he knows not of what he speaks.
You need to underarand their logic first. You will own nothing and be happier than ever.
One thing most people don't think about is when on a trip, you've calculated how much time it takes to get there without giving much thought on how long it takes to refuel. But with EV you've got to add 1-2 hours to your travel time to get to your destination. It takes longer to recharge a battery than it does to fill your tank.
The EV controls your life.
Plus, what happens if there is a road blockage and you are stuck in a traffic jam for many hours or even a day (like out in Wyoming which I have seen more than once in my travels) especially in winter. That along with 50 miles or more between exits with no guarantee that there will be a functioning charging station available.
Then there are others like myself that drive for ten hours at a stretch. I don’t want to be bothered taking precious travel time to set and wait for what could be hours of wasted travel time.
Even worse there could be an EMP and all electric cars would be out of commission.
This just proves how stupid politicians and the others that have been brainwashed by our bigoted educators are.
@@mebpratt859 technically an emp would destroy pretty much any vehicle made in like the past 50 years if not longer. Unless you completely disconnect the battery prior to it going off, it would short out pretty much every device, making it basically a brick with wheels.
I hired an EV for the weekend to see how bad this was - it wasn't bad at all.
There are numerous parts of your day when you can leave your car charging while you do other things, eg, shopping, working, sleeping, going for a walk.
I recharged the car twice over the weekend, and it was chill.
@@xcrockery8080 so, your store has an EV outlet? does it have 100 or even a thousand? Walmart for instance serves 10% of the US population daily. I'm sure your work would love having to shut down for weeks if not months while permits go through for the city to approve budgeting for work hours on the destruction of its parking lots or land to install a charging station? There is then the problem that electric vehicles have started exploding the world over with highly toxic gases being emitted that standard firefighting equipment can not put out the fires for and requires extensive decontamination...
The simple truth is, nobody has ever actually asked the power companies just what they need to do, to handle a complete conversion to EV. They don’t ask, because they know the answers would show a huge crazy massive upheaval that’s impossible to do in just a few years.
Luckily the transition will take the better part of 25 years, I reckon. But it has to be done, unless you have some miracle CO2 scrubber up your sleeve
@@yeroca Wrong again. At the current pace, the global elites are projecting spending $1300 trillion on climate change agenda and they will not make any measurable difference. They will (and already are) fleecing the masses, making the poorest pay the highest price and your kids will pay the heaviest price of all for your lack of asking for actual verifiable evidence and results for all of their claims.
They never say where they are going to get the huge amount of Lithium to replace all the ICE autos. We have already tapped 50% of the known reserves and we've only converted 5% of the cars. How are we going to make the other 95% with what lithium is left and at what cost to the environment? Very cleverly the mining of rare earth materials that go into current high storage battery technology is never discussed, but it's extremely destructive to the environment too.
These claims are by the same people that said Miami was going to be underwater by the year 2015, and so many other predictions that not a single one has actually come true. The leader of this nonsense is an old man now and is the very same one that proclaimed (back in the 1970's') that we were going to be in an ice age by the year 2000.
Once upon a time, every school kid was taught the story of chicken little. Today we are living it. The sky is not falling. CO2 accounts for 0.04% of the atmosphere. Even if we were to somehow able to double it, there would be no significant impact. Every politician and scientist that's recommending these crazy emergency measures has a very real conflict of interest and/or incentive, whether it's power or money or both, but they all are demanding that you make the draconian sacrifices even though they never do.
I know you won't agree with me, and I will not change your mind, but I and people like me are the only ones that aren't asking you to give money or power.
@@yeroca
No it does not have to be done socialist.
How much carbon is used to dig up all the rare metals to make your batteries?
Why are you okay with Africa being stripmined for the lithium for your precious batteries??
Let me guess, you have never considered that.
What we will end up with is thousands od dead EV's that can't charge because the grid can't handle it. Heck even now the grid suffers from demand in the summer without EV's This whole push is half baked.
You Sir are Very Correct about that being an Extremely Huge Problem That those people in GOVERNMENTS Just Don't Understand or Comprehend How a Charging Station Works because like you said the More EVS that are There Charging at the Same Time it's JUST Going to Take that MUCH Longer for ALL of them to Become FULLY Charged To FULL Capacity!
They do know, they dont care because just shout 'climate change' and the sheep vote
The problem is even worse because the recharge time is much longer than it takes to fill a tank. So even if the 10 charging stations could work at full power, they serve far fewer vehicles every hour.
But if the pub your are visiting has some chargers in the car park...and you plug in while you have a pint or 12....?
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk let then your cars stays put..
I've had an EV for 6 months and I've driven into a petrol station exactly once in that time. To buy a sandwich. The rest of the time I just plug the car in once a week at home and in the morning I drive it again. So if time is such a big deal then buy an EV. If I did need to use a public charger e.g. if I had to drive 200+ miles somewhere, then chances are I also need to eat food, take a piss or just stretch my legs. So charging a car at the same time is hardly an inconvenience.
@@drxymTell me, how much it cost, to buy that, and have it installed. $$$$. Also, say you got home, with 5% battery, and had to go somewhere in an emergency, etc. You'll be wishing you went to the Gas Station 5 or more times that Month.
@@fredjansen2659 The charging spots are now starting to charge for the parking spot as well, so you will leave right away. Not cheap either.
Surprising that none of our Government's or motoring
organisations mention this.
Probably because they are not in the business of anti-EV hysteria.
I've been trying to enlighten the zealots on chat sites for years. They cannot believe that I, a simple tradesman, can know more than they.
Because it's factually wrong and ignorant of existing technology. If motoring organizations started publishing falsehoods I would hope they suffer consequence for it. But I guess there are many people like you who would eat it up. So I don't know anymore.
@@mikebreen2890 "anti-EV hysteria."
You mean physics? The required energy infrastructure to support a majority EV transport fleet will be more than DOUBLE the entire national infrastructure is now. Where is this coming from and who is paying for it? No amount of pretending that this isn't a huge expensive problem will make that go away
@@billthomas635I’m a tradie and battle the same EV zealots that seem to know sooo much more than this humble tradie…
Go figure
This is a really really good point in this video, and while you scratched along the surface of this problem, and what you covered was really good and accurate, the overall electrical infrastructure problem is so much worse than this little isolated problem at this particular charging station.
Basically, in a nutshell the electrical grid is NOT built for mass deployment of high-voltage/high-current points of usage, like EV charging stations. There simply is not enough generation and distribution to be able to accommodate the many EV charging stations that the idiotic government greenie-weenies think that they want. What will end up happening is that electrical power is going to become a scarce resource, and will end up being tightly regulated and rationed.. just like any other government tightly regulated resource.
For example - They think they are going to "phase-out" large Diesel Semi-Trucks in favor of EV Semis... Yeah right.. Can you even imagine how much power a truck stop to charge EV semis would consume off of the grid?? And how long it will take to charge the many many resulting EV semis?? Well?? What about the rest of all of the people on the grid who want to heat their homes, and cook dinner, and charge the family (EV) car so they can use it the next day?? What about them??
The saying, if the government owned all of the Sahara Desert, and regulated all the sand, you would soon have a sand shortage and sand rationing... That's what is going to happen.
You're exactly right. I want to believe that government planners are simply ignorant, but there's this little voice in the back of my head telling me "this is intentional and their actual plan is to create a crisis they can take advantage of in order to acquire more control over our behavior or - even worse - they simply intend to prevent most of us from driving personal vehicles altogether. In any case, our future appears to be headed towards a very dystopian outcome if this push to get everyone into EV's continues to proceed.
We're already having electrical supply "variations" (where I live) which cause either full on black outs, or "brown outs" (which are just as damaging to electrical equipment)...particularly if there are storms between us and the supplier. Lines down etc. It's like putting surveillance cameras on trains to watch people getting attacked. Lots of money invested to watch things go down the drain rather than addressing the primary issues of continuity and stability of supply. Many folk in my area have bought solar panels, so our electrical supplier is getting all sorts of very cheap electricity daily. They pay a pittance for the privilege. Just waiting until they demand we pay for oxygen.
"and will end up being tightly regulated and rationed" Yes it's called a Smart Meter. Want your washing machine on? Well it's peak time right now you can't but you can if you run it at 3am. Fun.
@@CyrilSneer123 They should be more careful. Waking us up, tired and cranky, is sure to cause issues lol. Adults are just like kids when not fed or weary.
I love this so much. When I drive past these ridiculous stations, I just laugh out loud.
me too LOL
I know so ridiculous right? Real Americans have gas pumps installed at home and drive a big V8. Can't let EVs have all the fun with fueling their vehicles at home!
I’ve been on trips with my friends non-Tesla EV, almost every charging station has broken units and we’ve never received the full charging rate. Most often it’s half the rate. I’ll drive my hybrid for now !
This is why Tesla succeeded. I wouldn't buy one until they had enough superchargers. When I needed to use public stations, at least half were broken, and many weren't where the maps said they were. (I realized the map was showing the billing address for the charger's owner, and not the actual charger which could be miles away.) The superchargers are rarely out of service, never more than 10% at any given site not working, and you can see how busy they are and all their stats from the dashboard.
Without something like that, charging is not going to be a reasonable alternative.
I live in the state of Washington and our short sighted state government has banned the sale of gas operated cars by 2030 in favor of EVs. This video further strengthens my resolve to not be forced into an EV. Besides the state not having the right to dictate what legal products we can or can not by, EVs have too many problems I do not want anything to do with.
I have just watched your complete EV playlist It was amazing. Your videos are more informative and less extreme and put the points over more concisely. I look forward watching your other playlists. Thank you very much.✔✔👍👍
The internet can educate, but also stupify.
Just a tidbit of additional information. I'm drawing this from memory.
In the US, the pumps for gasoline (petrol) are regulated and limited at about 10 US gal per minute (most stations have them set a bit lower, say 8 gals per minute.) Truck stations (for over-the-road "big" rigs) pumping diesel, have different regulations. (Something like double the flow rate.)
Truckers have different fuel tanks designed to easily handle that flow rate. On autos that would be a disaster since their tanks must fill through restrictive filler necks with anti-rollover check valves and fuel nozzle restrictors (though leaded gas is mostly a memory except for racing and generaly aviation).
And your point is...?
@@captainpugwash3791 - Watch the vid again. You MIGHT get it on the 2nd (or 20th) viewing.
You are correct. The big diesel pumps are regulated at 34 gallons per minute.
In the U.S.
Yea, 8-10 gal/min (GPM), (10 is the legal limit) but the standard commercial gasoline pumps can do 35 to 50 GPM if they weren't restricted. (the specs vary- 35 GPM is most common standard and max for most). I ran gas stations many years.
At 35 GPM it would be like a small fire-hose and it would have to held in the tank with force and some people could not control it.
I forget the diesel figures,
Many of the charging stations in the US are now being the homes of the homeless. Fun times getting your car charged.
Not an attractive location for the homeless. Most DC Charging stations are very bare bones, they don't even have shade let alone rain cover. That was a wacky assumption.
@@Neojhun and thieves stealing your charging cables for the copper coating you 600 to 1200
@@Neojhun He meant homeless sleeping in their cars blocking the ports.
Another consideration is that power company might not even supply entire 1MW (per your example) to the charger, because the average usage might not be that high. Simply idle the charger at 1MW causes a lot of fuels usage. When heavy loads occurred, you can expect brown-out for the chargers.
Wow, an expert electrical engineer weighs in!!!
@@xcrockery8080 Yes I do have the BSEE from Sacramento State University.
@@bigx9963 Well, I'm the world's deadliest invisible ninja.
simply idle the charger at 1MW causes a lot of fuel usage. Couldn't really understand what this means? if a charger is idle, it wont be drawing anywhere near 1 MW
Nope
You have a valid point, sir. But don't forget the fact that disrupting personal travel over long distance, to the point of being cost-prohibitive/impracticle is all part of the WEF/Globalist Ellite (WEF/GE) end game. They want you static for easier control and surveillance in their 15-minute cities.. Australia, like Canada is huge with much open space to cross. My gas-powered truck can get me over 900kms on one tank of gasoline in winter or summer. I have the option of heat in winter or air conditioning for summer with zero risk of making the next planned fuel stop. This cannot be done with ANY battery-powered death trap plus it's harder to track older fuel-efficient vehicles and the WEF/GE DON'T LIKE IT! Bunch of spoiled-brat crybabies! Cheers and hello from Alberta, Canada.
I have owned 4 EV's in the last four decades and can say you have been consistently correct in your videos.
Um... why would you keep buying them?
@@disbeafakename167 I haven't bought any of the newer ones since Tesla came to be. The new technology is no longer user friendly or affordable.
Interesting. I think you are right. If EVs can last “a day” (what ever that means for a particular person), then they can recharge at night at home. I think this is key and changes the paradigm a lot. I can not ever fill up my car at my house at night so the traffic at a gas station is going to be higher - perhaps significantly higher - than the traffic at an EV recharging station.
Hotels and such will need to integrate into this new paradigm so that vacationers can continue to recharge their EVs at night.
I think exploring new technologies is great BUT it should not have a penny of government funding nor should the government force me into one paradigm or the other. After all, the entire global warming hoax is collapsing all around. The green energy scam is about to fall apart.
And just how much does it cost to have a charging station installed at your home? And that’s if the local electricity provider was able to provide enough power! EVs are illogical!!! Oh, and what about the battery situation??? And fire!!!
@@sandybruce9092 I'm not an EV fan. But since you asked:
A home charger probably comes with the car when you buy it. It requires 220V so if you have an electric dryer outlet, you are done. If not, an electrician could probably install a 220V outlet for $100 or so. The night time use of power is actually going to help since it will balance out the peak day time use which is for AC. AC requires a lot of power.
Lithium is a problem. It isn't that plentiful currently but we tend to find more of whatever resource we are looking for. There is no super good way to recycle the lithium yet. The recycle cost is more than the mining of fresh but eventually, if more Lithium is not discovered, that economic situation will reverse. The fire hazard is solved by using a different formulation for the battery. LifePOs I think they are called.
I don't have an EV. I'm looking for a new car right now and I'm not even considering an EV. I'm not using it as a daily driver to and from work. I need it for long trips out into the wilderness for my photography where there is no EV infrastructure yet. EVs are not "green" by any real measure although "green" is a complete fraud as well.
Gas and oil are extremely plentiful right now, the pollution problem has more or less been solved, they are extremely dense energy wise. The government's push to wind and solar is just to line the pockets of the major donors.
@@pedzsan Thank you for your response! It doesn’t seem expensive to have a hime charging station, if a person’s electric provider can or will do it. Regular has where we ,ice has dropped below $3.00 recently and I am very surprised! I keep a book in my car and record everything time I/we purchase gas % price, gallons, MPG, location, etc and ice dine this for more than 40 years so I’m well aware of gas prices in many areas! But I won’t touch an EV ever - especially since most of the lithium comes from “other” countries I won’t name!!! Even with out vehicles with lithium barriers, most of us have lithium in our homes - in regular batteries we use for so many items! Still a very scary mineral!
We are moving quickly to shut down power stations that work during the night, to solar power farms which do not. And generally the wind drops at night so the wind farms will be producing less too. Overnight charging of EVs will be fraught.
@@AVMamfortas Good point. I personally believe that wind and solar are not a good option but we'll see...
BTW, at most gasoline stations there is only one pump per tank. And all the things you operate and call "pumps" are really just meters that are supplied by that one pump. That is why your flow slows down when someone else at another meter also starts filling at the same time. This is especially true if the pump is undersized for the number of meters. And that is often the case. However, even in the worst case your tank is usually full in just a couple minutes. That can't be said for EV chargers.
Why do you hear the pump start up in the bowser you are using then? Each bowser has its own pump.
That doesn't happen anymore, in the U.S anyway, it used to be that way in the 1990's and earlier.
Bullshit....they are called turbines, and there is at least one turbine for every grade and type of fuel.
@@jefftheaussie2225nope....wrong.
@@pwilki8631 That may be the case where you are but not everywhere is the same as where you are. You should get out more.
EV's are another choice... should not be the only choice. You have a common sense approach in your content that is missing on other channels. Keep doing it!
Yeah, a nonsensical choice like buying a Corvette for a work truck.
Agreed. My elderly Mom has and EV and it works great for her. She drives maybe 300 miles total a month and just plugs it into her home outlet.
EV's are the complete solution for only a fraction of car owners.
An even bigger problem is not having a away to charge your vehicle at home. If you live in the inner city, or in a condo, or apartment complex or you park you car in a parking garage, you must schedule an hour or two every few days to charge your car at a public charging station, which is far more expensive than if you had your own charger in your own garage. So there goes a good chunk of the cost savings and you waste an hour or 2 every week.
I live inner city and there are 15 free charging stations at 2 shopping centres within 6 km of me. Never had to wait more tha 20 minutes to connect, most times get in straight away. Only have to pay for the shopping car park, which I would have had to anyway.
@haroldnowak2042 so nice of your neighbors to pay for your energy. I can't see that ever being a problem in the future. Nothing is free.
@@disbeafakename167 The shopping center pays for it. They say they want a whole level of the car park to be only for EV's and the savings in the costs of mandated ventilation will cover the free charging. Who knows if that will ever happen.
A lot of companies have chargers for employees. Close to front door parking for most.
Ofcourse government fails to install enough chargers or electric grid infrastructure and early EVs are very expensive etc etc but this just delays the inevitable i think. I plan to keep driving small petrol cars to save them from being junked too early as my contribution to saving the environment. -)
Realistically, you're doing more for the environment than any of the EV loving posers.
Interesting stuff and is bound to happen and the simple truth is often overlooked and that is that people are having trouble trying to feed their families and their budgets don't include buying a 30 to 60 thousand dollar EV so only the rich will have them and they don't drive themselves anyway~!!! I am a new subscriber today after watching your informative video~!
Here in the US the “transition” to EVs has come to a natural stall, the people that can afford, use, and want an EV have them. Everyone knows someone with an EV so real world experiences are being shared and they’re meh at best.
Monash University has 2 chargers at thier DIESEL Bus depot for the pissy smart cars they use.. Plugged direct into the main power off grid 😂😂😂
What I don't understand is that, in the US, Tesla owners using Tesla Supercharging facilities do not seem to have this problem. At least, there's no public outcry about it. Also, I read recently that the number of individual public charging points has just overtaken the number of individual gasoline pumps, and that gasoline service stations are being bought up in the dozens to be converted to EV charging parks, with similar, if not better, supplementary service facilities, like restaurants, fast food outlets, shops etc.
It seems like the two graphs are now diverging in favour of electric!
Back in the UK the picture is not nearly so rosy but convergence point is approaching as EV sales increase monthly!
Any comment?
Source?
Nicely done presentation , with graphical support . It's the little things that make or break the grand schemes .
It is already a major problem here in the U.S. I live near Denver, Colorado and see an unbelievable amount of Tesla's on the highways here. The problem will only get worse. Gas stations like Buccees have up to 100 or more pumps to handle gasoline fueling, electric stations would have to do the same, or have even more because they take so much longer to recharge.
You do realise that EVs are the excuse to get ordinary people off the roads?
They've tried to overcome that problem in America by having a charging station like a jump starter. The batteries inside of the charging station allow for large power discharge but unfortunately it takes another hour or so to recharge each charging station and is more a solution for country areas. If you had one large battery container for instance you would still run into the same problem because the amount of energy needed to be stored would cost millions of dollars and the charging station operator would have to recover that investment.
Petrol station owners pay for their storage tanks and are taxed to cover damage from leaks. Why shouldn't charging station owners pay for their own on-site storage?
Why should my old Jeep - via motor fuel tax paid at the pump - subsidize your new EV?
My Jeep is taxed by the _volume_ of fuel loaded into it by the gallon or the liter _not_ the distance traveled; why doesn't your EV pay a road tax based on battery charge?
@@frankmcgowan9457 Love the post Frank, this should land on every politician's desk. The implementation of this EV charging tax should be instantaneously implemented by the money hungry leeches!
@@frankmcgowan9457 Yes, Petrol station owners pay for their storage tanks. But underground gasoline tanks are *MUCH* cheaper than 1 megawatt of battery storage!
@@DerekDavis213 And, because they are underground, they take up less of the usable space.
@DerekDavis213
The question stands: Why should ICE vehicles subsidize EV infrastructure? I cannot see why they should.
I am fairly certain that charge stations ( at least some ) have battery buffers for high demand use. The Huge problem I have is no roof over the charging stations. ( What kind of person wants to get into the rain to hook up the charging cable? )
How about hooking up a high-voltage and high-current cable, in the rain? Very bad idea.
I have read somewhere that power is not in the cable unless the cable is completely connected with a low voltage 'hand shake' between the car and charger. But still, just the inconvenience of getting rained on may not appeal to many people. ( Not to mention that solar panels can be on the roof to at least contribute to the charging station. @@DerekDavis213
With all the bicycle lanes being developed in Dublin, Ireland, I said from the beginning "we must all be going to get bicycles". I think I hit the nail on the head. With huge expenses now being envisaged regarding Insurance, replacement of batteries, lack of charging facilities, parking restrictions, etc., etc., bicycles seem to be the only thing left for the "common man" not Government officials, of course.
Interesting. So 8 fast charge cars will slow it down. Just travelled around England from Wales. England has many charge points and way more EVs. First time I had seen 3 or more cars charging simultaneously where in Wales it's non existent. At the moment huge demand is not everywhere. But you have a very valid point.. It will become a problem if not worse as EVs could outstrip the charging stations.
Might, not will. Charging infrastructure is increasing, albeit potentially not fast enough but then supply often lags behind demand given the way supply-side economics works. If the installer was able to get a large enough power feed into the site it might never be an issue.
Imagine a car pulls into a petrol service station.
The tanker is hooked onto the end of one measly little fuel line and the car gets fuelled off that line coming out of the tanker.
Then 10 cars all try to suck out of the one thin line coming out of the tanker....
There's the problem...no storage "tank"
Now imagine an EV charging station with one measly 1mw line and 10 EV's sucking off it...
Then further imagine 5 x 40ft shipping containers full of recycled ex EV batteries on site that had recharged all day from the solar canopy over the EV charging area...
and from off peak electricity all night from the electric grid.
Suddenly by using a brain and spending on a "tank" (a reserve of electricity) all 10 EVs are charging......
This is just one aspect of the electrical power delivery system that will be under strain if EV's ever become widespread. There are other parts of the power grid that were never intended for such usage, not least of which are the power generation facilities themselves.
Not a huge problem at all. Charging sites normally have enough capacity to deliver what the cars statistically can charge. I have never experienced throttling due to an overloaded charging site. I have had throttling due to cold battery, but that's due to bad planning, so I had to wait a few extra minutes.
Yeah, it makes no sense you'd put in a cable big enough for three cars and then install ten chargers. You'd install three chargers, save the cost of seven chargers, and everyone would charge at least as fast.
@@darrennew8211 Banks and stores have (or at least used to) more lanes than people to operate them. It's psychological, plus they receive more government funds taken from the working tax paying citizens.
One of many problems with the push toward EV! Thanks for a reasoned presentation! Why can't the 'greens' think more clearly?
its not the greens. They are cover. its the WEF agenda of stopping you going anywhere and their lies about climate change to impose control.
I believe someone calculated that here in the UK, if we were all using EV's, we would need 4 times the service stations space that we have at the moment.
That just monumentally false. Level 2 Charging uses far less space than a Fuel Station. It's only DC Fast Charging which uses more space and that is NOT the primary method of charging.
In one report I saw, they stated that we would need a lot more power stations than we have now as well, or the entire national grid would collapse under the strain of the demand for electricity...
@@Neojhun So they charge quicker than filling with fuel? Are EV's smaller?
@@gordy4459 And yet, even in the 1950s and 1960s, the infrastructure was able to accommodate adding enough capability for air conditioners? If charging is mostly done at home, the demand will be much less dramatic, and mostly at night.
@martalli I do remember seeing on the news last year, (when we had a couple of warm weeks) that demand was so high due to all the air-cons that people were using that some of the coal fuelled power stations had to be fired back up...that surely demonstrated a shortfall in our present infrastructure?...
Didn't realise this, thank you for this information. It now has me thinking about the EV charging stations I have seen and has raised a lot of questions. For example, at the side of the Macadamia Castle in the hinterland behind Byron Bay, there are 6 Tesla 120kw chargers in an area you would assume has fairly standard power availability. Incidentally, these 6 Tesla charging points are rarely used, imagine 6 Tesla's at one time at this this lonely place?
He is very good 👍
85 % of electric comes from burning coal ,oil or wood chips at the power station 🤦♂️
depends on the country.
In France, nuclear power is dominant, and Costa Rica and Norway for example have many hydro stations.
still cleaner than internal combustion.
Burning coal and oil is better than burning petrol 😆🤦♂️ then add the mining for the lithium ( poor kids , then disposing of the batteries every 5 years plus all the new chargers everywhere that weren't needed with petrol , either way thats a pretty moronic/ brainwashed / Tesla owner statement .
@@johnyu88 if you burn pure ethanol or methanol in an internal combustion engine, it's pretty clean.
Much cleaner than burning coal (before treatment).
Also, when for example, a 1500 KVA transformer for a 6-charger station is idling because there are no cars charging, the transformer losses increase - and are drawn from the grid, ahead of the revenue meter. These losses are then paid for by spreading that cost across all of the customers.
This was an interesting topic and it got me thinking of something else that EVs could possibly affect. Have efficiency experts figured out how to make up for the lost manhours due to employees charging their EVs at a EV station and not getting to work on time. I know the arguments are that every business is going to have a charging station for every employee and that every employee is going to have a charging system at home. Well, seeing is believing and until that day arrives and the electric grid will support it, I think there is going a lot of employers ticked off wondering where the hell are all their Green warriors. Anyhow, it was just a thought, perhaps half baked but still a .thought.
Not to mention highly.volitile very heavy batteries to run these car's? How long do these batteries actually last in your car before haveing to replace them? What if the persons installing it make a mistake? These batteries do not just fail they blowup emitting toxic chemicals? Not to mention the disposal of these leathal highly explosive batteries! Not to mention all the coal burned to make the electricity to charge these death traps! These car's have never been perfected (they have huge issues) and thier trying to force people to buy them! Why? It's a dang joke on humanity! Who does not have the income to afford these suposed great car's! What do they mean an 1-1 1/2 hours for chargeing? If you go on a 3,000 mile trip you hafto stop 6 times to recharge if they have chargers! It's a stinking joke all of it!
I already decided EVs were to expensive for me but I really appreciate your videos that verifies my decision. I never gave a thought to the problem you describe here.
I can see so many more Tesla cars on the road lately. Lucky you saw this before you became another sucker
In the US I read that an engineer looked at charging times for EVs and the available infrastructure and then compared those figures with petrol pumps and found that for every petrol pump that 19 EV charging stations would be required if all vehicles registered were electric. This doesn't take into account the energy supply requirements. Almost all built up areas lack the space and infrastructure for such an transition. I say force all New York Taxis to be electric and see how that goes.
Here in the US, at least here in Western Colorado, most of the EV chargers are connected to diesel generators as opposed to the grid. Speed isn't an issue but but they certainly aren't full filling the green energy promise.
Your assertion is false. I don't know where you got the idea that most of the EV chargers in Western Colorado are powered by local diesel generators instead of a grid connection, but that is simply not true. There are some backup generators at some EV charge sites (not very common) but they are only there to make sure EVs aren't stranded in the case of a grid failure.
@@jimmurphy5355 Makes sense. Also depending on the generator specs @Dennis could be wrong not being greener. Some generator's put car/truck engines to shame in terms of efficiency.
Good analysis about the load capacity and how it’s divided up among existing users compared to gasoline storage tanks. Longer times to charge means shortening the range to compensate for longer time. All ass backwards on that long EV road trip
Very good point. When we get told “it only takes 20 mins to charge your car here” that’s probably not true.
Battery, batteries* right now they’re a novelty, once they make a “solid state” or other new tech battery, that can charge faster, deal with -40, not catch fire and reduce the weight, then the EV will be a viable means of transportation!!
Good video mate it is so true what you are saying and even if I liked EV's which I do not I would be so annoyed at the situation you described in fact it would be such an inconvenience and I cannot for the life of me know what is so attractive about these vehicles to people except that they are just tree huggers in my view because the amount of pollution that we generate here in Australia is so minimal compared to what countries like India and China produce it just makes no sense!
It's a terrible video. His facts are iffy and he doesn't model the situation properly.
@@xcrockery8080 Well then have at it, un-terribly inform us.
Some later EV charging stations that are being opened. With remote solar panels that feed to on site battery’s. Which work in the same way as the underground fuel tank.
In reality, the charge an EV station can output is factored in to the overall number of vehicles it can accommodate, no different than the system set in place for replenishing fuel tanks.
This isn’t universal in all possible locations at all possible distances.
Exactly. It's almost as though the companies building these things know a bit more about power demand than some anti-EV channel on TH-cam.
@@drxym Smart people are not building these things by choice. The idiotic non-scientific government is mandating it. They have no idea what an electron even is, let alone have any idea how it behaves.🤷♂🙄
Quite - but factor in the costs of all the equipment and perhaps upgrades to the grid supply. @@drxym
Ideally yes, but not in real life.
Thanks for this clear explanation. It's also expensive to make high capacity EV "filling stations." Lack of shelters over the EV chargers makes them antisocial to use in inclement weather. Unreliable operation of chargers is a pain. One local UK study found 60% of chargers in an urban locality were not working. Zap Map was listing busted chargers as working. There''s a long way to go ..
If you can get robbed or carjacked spending five minutes at a petrol station, can you IMAGINE the crime that's going to happen while you're TRAPPED for an hour or more at an EV station? No thanks!
The takeaway is that most people who attended high school physics classes were sleeping with their eyes open.
Already got huge problems but this is another nail in the coffin, glad you bought it up
E.v.'s are a load of bollocks.
I have looked at that problem too. But have you noticed that often highways and power pylons often follow the same routes. This works for my country where most of the cities and generation are organised along a north south corridor.
I did some calculation and worked out that you need to size the charging stations for holiday traffic flows. So, In New Zealand you would need 3x or 4x the number of outlets for EVs as for petrol pumps. Every place along highways, you need for EVs to stop for 20 minutes for each 200km of driving.
Highway petrol stations that currently fit 10 to 20 cars will need to fit 30 to 80 cars. They will need 100kW, each so 3MW to 10MWatt. And most of this will only be needed for 30 major travel days per year. And that won't be enough for Christmas or Easter breaks.
But if the EV transition takes another 20 years, most of that will need to start to be built in 5 years, with the project done in 12-15 years.
Possible, but expensive. Some could be built on grid stabilising storage battery packs, that could charge at night and deliver charging at peak traffic flow. Or be adjacent to solar farms. Pie in the sky here.
I work in a cement plant in the U.S. We are forced to shutdown high power electric motors during peck power use.
You seem to have an honest and refreshing viewpoint. You've earned a subscriber.
I've also noticed the EV charging stations do not provide services for airing up tires or even the ability to clean ones windshield. And perhaps even more importantly, NO RESTROOMS are provided!!!
This was actually a very nice surprise. I generally regarded you as an ev hater but this is actually a well put together video.
Anyway to adress your concern, there's always enough power at the site. The limit are the ac to dc comverters because they are very expensive. Some sites are implementing battery storage for this reason but most opt to instead buy more powerful converters.
Thank you for making me aware of that perspective.
My concern (skipping all the infrastructure nightmares.) Is bad weather. We already have people dying from not filling their tanks and being stuck in the cold in bad weather conditions or being trapped on a motorway due to a large accident. At this time a person with a large petrol container can go to several motorists and share some fuel to keep the vehicles occupants warm. With electric vehicles this isn't possible.
Yes, it is. One EV can charge another and the same goes for portable battery packs, hand held or otherwise.
@@krashd Again more wishful thinking. If only life was like the unicorn land you live in.
At Texas-based Buc-ee's, each station has a minimum of 100 gas pumps, and they are usually all in use with a line of cars waiting. Such capacity will never be achieved at an EV charging station, at least not in my lifetime. Of course, they could use the gasoline that is already there to generate more electric power on-site, but I don't think that suggestion would be appreciated. 🤣
Recently in Cambridge, Ontario, Canada, a guy took his $48,000 EV back to the Hyundai dealership. They told him that he would need to pay $50,000 to replace the battery.
And this is the biggest reason not to buy a used EV. I believe that they will basically become throw-away vehicles once any warranty expires.
One catostopic problem with Australia is it takes 41 hours to travel from Sydney to Perth, with a gas powered vehicle, how bloody long would it take with an all Electric vehicle and how many charging stations are available for this journey .
sounds like it would be better to use horse and cart than an EV more reliable and faster
A rickshaw would be faster.
As a slightly separate thought. I have heard that in China there is a lot of regulation about who can use electricity power when. During the day, company's are limited to how much they can use. More or less for a similar reason mentioned in this video. If they exceed the limit, the company gets massive fines and charged at very high rates. Apparently what is happening, people charge up their cars in the evening, at home off peak, plug in their cars at work, The businesses buy the power off the car owner at peak rates.
Largely speaking, I think we need to stop looking at EV's like ICE cars when it comes to refiling. In Melbourne, you can charge up you EV at shopping centers, library, IKEA... Charge your car while you do something else, go shopping, eat at a restaurant, while at work, at home sleeping. Doing this takes waiting time out of the equation to a large extent.
Stealing the copper cables is just
Undocumented Recycling ♻️
I live in a town of over 100K population. I've yet to see even one charging station. I purchased gas yesterday from a local Gas Station 5 minutes from my house for 2.96 a Gallon. I'm 25 miles away from Disney World. Who's kidding who? EV's are a bad joke or something.....
It’d be interesting to do a survey of % of Australian politicians who have switched to EVs
Most people do not realize we added catalytic converters to scrub the air. Indeed, the exhaust is probably cleaner going out than the air going in. Why are we screwing around with EVs?
Catalytic converters do not "scrub" air and make it "cleaner". NO2, NO, CO, and hydrocarbons from engine exhaust are converted to N2, O2, CO2, and H2O via redox chemical processes. The idea behind EVs is to reduce CO2 emissions. Of course, that discussion is much more complex.
Last summer in California, the government announced that you couldn’t charge your ev due to stress on the power grid.
The problem of storage is exactly why this issue really goes beyond charging stations to the entire subject of alternative "green" power. It's easy to say "I can produce x number of KW with solar panels - with enough panels we could power the whole country!" Until the reality of scaling hits you in the face. And the number one scaling issue is the massive scale of the *constant* demand on the power grid. You can't possibly meet that demand with intermittent sources without major investments in storage technologies that aren't ready for production yet, and in distribution technology that is, but will require massive investment to reconfigure for largely wind/solar electricity production.
The other problem is the time taken to " fill" said vehicle. The petrol or diesel vehicle will be filled and back on the road in about five to ten minutes whereas the electric vehicle will take upwards of an hour or more, assuming the chargers are operating.
There are plenty of existing industrial uses that have multi-MW capacities. We can install bigger grid connections. That is not the weak link. The current issues are charger reliability, heat dissipation, and whether the car can accept the speed (a car built for 50 KW will throttle to that speed even if it's on a 350 KW charger). The grid can handle a couple hundred KW going on and off without issue. Like you said, we already do it for industrial application. We are already upgrading grid capacity all the time too. Adding 1 GW capacity to the grid is about the same complexity as adding 50 MW, the only difference is the thickness of the wires and the size and types of components on each end. It's not 20x harder.
Not to mention most cars are getting charged at home overnight on slower chargers with standard circuits at non peak hours. DC fast charging is really only for long hauls and road trips.
Gas stations often share 2 nozzles per pump (one on each side) which reduces fuel flow if both are in use. Plus you need to truck in the fuel constantly.
Seems it would cut down on your average speed on long journeys. I've read average miles per charge is 230 miles. After that for charging; and I quote; "It can take as little as 30 minutes or less to charge a typical electric car (60kWh battery) at a 150kW rapid charging station from empty-to-full. If you use a 7kW public charger, you can expect to achieve the same in under 8 hours and around 3 hours using a 22 kW chargepoint." It's all down to the infrastructure that is put in. Same problem will occur when all the houses in one street want to charge their vehicles overnight. In the U.K. our houses usually have a 100A fuse which can be heavily used. Car chargers can suck up at least half of that power.
What if you have 2 EV's at your household ; I guess that would be doubly mad...
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Hi I understand what this man is getting at. I never thought about this problem. Down with EV!!!!
Aside from battery and charging issues in winter climates I'm sure the road salt will bring forth another whole set of unpleasant expensive issues
We've been back and forth with EVs for quite a while. Remember the "gas shortage" in the '70s? They look great on paper. They just don't have the energy density required and we don't have the infrastructure in place. Add to that the inherent bugs that come with "new" technology and they're not ready for prime time.
The prospect of EV Nirvana,just gets better and better.
This will not be a problem in South Africa. Thieves will either steal the charger cable, the charger itself or the entire charging infrastructure.
And to add more woe to this, the state utility Eskom is not able to provide a steady stream of electricity, and uses a rotating loadshedding schedule to minimize the risk of the electrical grid overloading.
South Africa are not ready for massive deployments of EVs.
Going to be fun if that happens though.