Tubalcain reassembles a Logan Lathe he has moved into his basement. This lathe was originally badged as a Montgomery Wards Powercraft--but was built by Logan Engineering.
I had a similar Logan some years ago, ran like a sewing machine, very sweet little machine and more accurate than I was. Logan lathes haven't been made for about 45 years or so, but are still supported by Logan family. Thanks for the reminiscing.
Thankyou for all these videos they are very informative. I'm a 54 year old bricklayers that after 35 years looking for something next. I too have no desire to sit back on the lazy boy and let life go by. Thanks again, Kevin
Thanks a lot for this series! I always assumed a metal lathe was quite complicated, but you have broken it down into simple, manageable pieces. I learned a lot! Much thanks!
Very informative for me. I just bought my first lathe (a Harrison 190, 15" long bed). Thanks in part to your educational programs I've summoned the courage to "go for it" and follow (at my 66 years of experience) in my grandfather and father's footsteps. This assembly is really helpful. I am slowly disassembling my lathe to know its condition (quite good in fact). Your video on how to judge a lathe's condition helped immensely. Here in Greenland I don't have many choices, but got lucky!
After watching a lot of your videos and two years of window shopping I finally pulled the trigger on an 11" x 36" Logan 1957 cabinet lathe that was less than 2 miles from my house and was being sold for $500. I thought it was a good deal but it looks pretty used. There is no rust however, just a lot of worn paint and chips but it also came with a fair amount of tooling and several chucks small and large and both 3 and 4 jaw. It also came with a turret attachment and the additional 3 point support thing for long work pieces. Even though it looks worn I figured that since it seemed really complete with a lot of attachments it was probably worth the risk and can be restored and re-used or perhaps sold off for parts. (I'd prefer to restore it and keep it) I really didn't have time to test it properly though which as I've read can take several hours and requires a professional to check many aspects but I did see it run and all the gears look good with no teeth missing including those in the QC gearbox. Since it is disassembled I first want to strip it down and repaint the cabinets, pan, and the lathe itself. Do you recommend a good epoxy paint that is oil resistant? And is there a specific color code to be used?
Thanks for the great work you are doing, passing on your knowledge and skills. I'm learning a lot and feel confident enough now to fire up my old Myford lathe and build stuff.
Thank you for this video. I really appreciate it. My power cross feed is not working and i was intimidated to disassemble the apron. After watching you, i think i can do it.
You make it all seem so simple - I'm sure in practice it takes quite a bit of time to get it all together -hardly 18mins! I acknowledge that you say "I'll do that off camera" several times.
Great video, this is the second time I have watched it. I am shopping for a lathe so this will certainly be helpful. Thanks again for posting such wonderful informative videos. Ken
Now I see there WAS a V-groove on the back side of the head stock - in the DIS-assemble video I thought it LOOKed like only flat ways was awaiable - but you were right ... again - the head stock IS alligning itself. Nice and instructive video for owners of such a lathe !
Great video as always, Your logan lathe is, as I'm sure you know is very similar to my Boxford lathe (UK Manufactured) So I guess the Logan has it's roots firmly placed in the same soil i.e. South Bend. Thanks again as always very informative and excellently narrated Ian
Thanks, I get it now; I appreciate the response. The article I read talked about the possibility of using a dead center on the tailstock end with lubrication to reduce friction. I don't understand why anyone would do that rather than use a live center.
I've never used it before but I'm inspired by your mini videos, I'm going to buy me a Vintage Craftsman #109 6" Metal Lathe, thanks to you my TH-cam friend and mentor,Yours Truly Larry Harris out of Newport News VA, keep them coming Tubalcain
likely it is from small bits of dust and grit sitting on the ways as the tailstock is slid along them. Also, the tailstock does undergo vibration when machining between centers. It's very slight amounts of wear, but on an old lathe it has time to add up.
Pause the video at 17:45. See the two pointed things at each end? Those are the centers. They are used for "turning between centers" when a workpiece has been center drilled. Look this up in a machinery handbook. It's too much to describe here. But sometimes the centers have to be removed - knocked out - to put a drill chuck in the tailstock or pass a workpiece through the headstock. The centers are jammed in real tight so the knockout tool is used to tap them out.
Am curious, Mr. Pete, if you checked that the rails are still flat; on an old machine like this that saw a lot of use, wouldn't there be a slight bow in the middle. Love your channel, there's something verr soothing and tranquil, seeing the care you put into your tools.
Just put my gear box on today used your gear repair on the box that was a big help but need to know the gear set up for the change gears can't make out all the numbers you have been a big help thanks
Mr. Pete, do you have your grandson Jordan running any of your lathes? If so you should make a video of him running one, that would be neat! I don't think I see him as much in your videos as I use to, I thinks it's awesome to see you and him working in the shop together like when y'all poured those little army men outa lead. That was neat! P.S.- I've just been going back through some of your older videos since I've watched probably all of your videos and continue to do so! I really enjoy your channel, I sure do envy you!
Great video Mr Pete! I'm a regular subscriber and am really learning a lot from your site! RECOMMENDATION: could you cover how to safely install a cutter in the bridgeport mill and a lathe spindle collett? I don't remember ever seeing proper cutting tool installations covered. I remember a fellow lost an eye 40 yrs ago in my highschool shopclass when a bit flew out of the Atlas lathe spindle while using the 9-501 milling attachment. I've always been leery since that time. Thanks! Mainlinehobo
The dead centers, on the spindle... Look up live and dead centers, very useful for turning between centers, with a drag dog and plate you get maximum precision.
Dear Mr. Pete, Great video, as always! I was wondering though, if I may... how does the the headstock height is set with respect to the tailstock for perfect alignment? I think I read somewhere about sticking shims between the bed and the headstock and tightening it with bolts until perfect alignment is reached, but didn't noticed it in your video here. If they come "pre-set" from the factory, how do they manufacture them there to achieve this? thanks, love your videos! :)
Thank you, Mr. P. As usual, an episode of Emmy award winning quality. I thought it curious that the flat bearing surface of the tailstock would show such wear, especially since the tailstock is essentially a static component. Do you think neglect causes this?
Mr. Pete, If I may ask a personal question. Did you find your years teaching a satisfying experience ? It seems with your vast experience you still have a captivating way of sharing your knowledge. I enjoy your videos very much.
mrpete222, I love your videos and really appreciate that you are sharing all this knowledge. I have a question...at 6:37 in the video you are putting the saddle back on the bed. At the back of the saddle, on each side, there are two small pieces of metal that are screwed just above the ways. One is shaped like a carpenter's square with a flat head screw through it. The other is shaped like a trapezoid, also with a flat head screw. What are they?
Have you made a video explaining your choice of name, "Tubalcain"? I understand the meaning as used in scripture, and wonder if you had given the back story and why your chose this name? Thanks for the informative videos. I am a newbie and just getting started on cleaning and re-assembling my Sears lathe.
amazing, thank you! haven't thought about machining them both on the same setup -- seems like the best to go about this. If i may, how do you know all this? Is there a book you can refer me to or recommend? the manufacturing of precision manufacturing tools interests me a lot! ;)
Mr. Pete, Maybe I missed it but can you go over the things you look at when you're buying a used lathe or mill? On such precise machines, how do you determine what can be "cleaned up" and what is junk? My fear with a used lathe is abused ways.
Hey Pete just bought a 1954 Logan 11 inch, no wear anywhere,, just has broken gear box, need to find one I'm keeping this one for me,, love the oil filled apron with clutch
Tubalcain- There are a few questions I can't seem to definitively answer from the Montgomery Wards manual I bought from Logan Actuator for my TLC-700A. The lathe did not have much tooling when I bought it so I'm now having to slowly hunt around and purchase things as I can. Currently I'm trying to buy a faceplate, dogs and a dead center for the headstock spindle. The manual states that "The nose has 8-pitch National Form threads and has been turned internally to a No. 3 Morse Taper. A reducing sleeve permits the use of a No. 2 Taper center." So, here is my question. Should I buy a No. 3 morse taper center to use with a faceplate or do I need to purchase a reducing sleeve? I called Logan actuator and they told me I need part LP 1330 ($101.25, ouch!) and a No. 2 Taper Center. They said a No. 3 will not work. The catalog which shows all of the original accessories does not show a No. 3 Morse Taper Center. It only shows a "No. 3 Morse with sleeve to No. 2. I wouldn't be so uptight but $100 dollars is a lot of money. Thank you for any guidance you can provide. Ed
yes, you need the sleeve. try & find one on ebay--I think south bend used the same sleeve. you might be able to make one using a 2 to 3 drill sleeve--cut it to length
Do the two screws at the front of the saddle and the three bolts on the back of the saddle get tightened all the way? My saddle locks up if I tighten them all the way. Do I need to shim it?
What model logan is that? Any suggestions on buying a first lathe ? I'm looking at a model 200 for 500$ I want to start machining but don't know how to start or if I jam justify buying a lathe
I bought a Logan 225 in good condition and now have it totally dis-assembled, every screw, every bolt. It is now totally clean every piece. It has a Walenar spindle, so, not much to do there. As regards the oil-filled brass bushing, it is obvious several need replacing....Where does one find replacement bushings..?? Also a few gears show wear patterns from the mating gear...where does one find replacements..?? Thank You, David Woodruff
Lord if someone could help me I would be so grateful. have the opportunity to purchase a Logan 820 10 inch for $1,000 it's in excellent condition and it really is it hasn't been used in 20 years. Everything's perfect xcetera. The one thing that I am concerned about it I thought that these lathe we're always single phase 220. Ahead and look at the motor yet I'm going to go this weekend but it seems to be set up to run at 110 volts at the moment. My question to all you guys out there is that something that was typical on the Logans or would this probably be a rewiring that has been done and when I mean rewiring I mean within the normal limits of wiring a new life to work. Something that I could change back easily? I have also found an Atlas lathe for real cheap all is intact on the atlas the way you look nice all the gears are perfect excetera excetera excetera it's a little larger then the Logan 802. In addition to these two machines I've been offered a South Bend 9 inch benchtop deal with the 3-foot bad for a really good price too $700 it looks beautiful. Does anybody have any opinions on this? I have operated lathe many many times and I know how to run them but I am truly uneducated as far as what is better with the old machines. If someone can give me some pros and cons I'd really be grateful I have a very short time to make up my mind here
+mrpete222, I know it's not an important aspect but I love the look of the South Bend it looks like a little tank it's very busy in appearance in the smooth sweeping lines of the machine remind me of an old automobile. I think any of these three would serve me well as as of now I am only home one of those little crappy grizzly two lathe as I like to put it. I purchased a very very small one 7 x 14 I thought I was just going to do very small hobby things but the more I used it the more I felt inclined should you bigger and more grandiose projects. As I sit here I just got a return reply from yet another lady that's for sale on Craigslist. It's an old 1900 Seneca Falls star. I don't think I'm going to buy that one unless I can scrape together enough money to add that one is a project lathe the fill-up. if you look at it at first glance he reminds you of a Model T Ford all black., Thank you for your opinion I value it although I still don't know which I'm going to purchase. I am disabled and watching your videos has really inspired me to at least try to do some hobby stuff. I can only go out to the garage and staying for maybe an hour at a time behind either alive or my Chinese Mill but it's giving me some purpose in life and I credit it to you. I just got finished making a couple of those four inch machine is clamp that turned out quite nice. I altered the design a little bit to make them half inch by three-quarter inch cold rolled steel and 304 stainless threaded rod. It's amazing what a little accomplishment like that does for your peace of mind when you're unable to get up and go to work everyday. It's helped me immensely thank you
+mrpete222 Well it looked real bad for a while, Paraneoplastic syndrome it has about an 80% fatality rate,. The other day my doctor called and told me my new test results showed that one of the antibodies that was damaging my central nervous system is now disappeared....... He said that it looks like I am going to live after all The damage seems to be done, I'm in horrific pain all of the time and have neuropathy so severally that it feels like I'm being stung by 1000 bees on my feet. I have to keep lidocaine on them all of the time. Most days I can't get out and work on projects, but sometimes I can get an hour or so in on a lathe or mill.. I also do organic chemistry as a hobby. A lot of that is hands off so it's good. I need to be able to lay down at a minutes notice or all collapse. I really like working on a lathe most of all. Somthing about turning metal is therapeutic. I am by trade a robotics engineer. I worked with biomedical robots for much of my adult life. That was where I got my first exposure to milling, custom parts and calibration jigs for laser alignment etc on an old manual Bridgeport machine I hope to god I can get this South Bend or one of the others... Doing this tinkering is saving my life and keeping my mind sharp. So many tools to buy lol.
mrpete222 oh yeah, I almost forgot, so the Seneca star is not a good machine? The guy messaged me and wants to dump it fast. He basically said that I could have it for a song and he would even deliver it lol I have decided I do not have the room for one simply, to restore so I'm going to look at the Logan 820 this weekend and decide between that and the southbend 9 inch.
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Nice and clean ! All wear areas visible, runs very quiet too, that’ll get better with new belt . Thanks Lyle 👍😉
I had a similar Logan some years ago, ran like a sewing machine, very sweet little machine and more accurate than I was. Logan lathes haven't been made for about 45 years or so, but are still supported by Logan family. Thanks for the reminiscing.
Thankyou for all these videos they are very informative. I'm a 54 year old bricklayers that after 35 years looking for something next. I too have no desire to sit back on the lazy boy and let life go by. Thanks again, Kevin
Thank you very much for watching
Thanks a lot for this series! I always assumed a metal lathe was quite complicated, but you have broken it down into simple, manageable pieces. I learned a lot! Much thanks!
Very informative for me. I just bought my first lathe (a Harrison 190, 15" long bed). Thanks in part to your educational programs I've summoned the courage to "go for it" and follow (at my 66 years of experience) in my grandfather and father's footsteps. This assembly is really helpful. I am slowly disassembling my lathe to know its condition (quite good in fact). Your video on how to judge a lathe's condition helped immensely. Here in Greenland I don't have many choices, but got lucky!
This is great for all lathe amateurs.
I will watch these videos several times, before I buy a lathe
After watching a lot of your videos and two years of window shopping I finally pulled the trigger on an 11" x 36" Logan 1957 cabinet lathe that was less than 2 miles from my house and was being sold for $500. I thought it was a good deal but it looks pretty used. There is no rust however, just a lot of worn paint and chips but it also came with a fair amount of tooling and several chucks small and large and both 3 and 4 jaw. It also came with a turret attachment and the additional 3 point support thing for long work pieces. Even though it looks worn I figured that since it seemed really complete with a lot of attachments it was probably worth the risk and can be restored and re-used or perhaps sold off for parts. (I'd prefer to restore it and keep it) I really didn't have time to test it properly though which as I've read can take several hours and requires a professional to check many aspects but I did see it run and all the gears look good with no teeth missing including those in the QC gearbox. Since it is disassembled I first want to strip it down and repaint the cabinets, pan, and the lathe itself. Do you recommend a good epoxy paint that is oil resistant? And is there a specific color code to be used?
Thanks for the great work you are doing, passing on your knowledge and skills. I'm learning a lot and feel confident enough now to fire up my old Myford lathe and build stuff.
Thank you for this video. I really appreciate it. My power cross feed is not working and i was intimidated to disassemble the apron. After watching you, i think i can do it.
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You make it all seem so simple - I'm sure in practice it takes quite a bit of time to get it all together -hardly 18mins! I acknowledge that you say "I'll do that off camera" several times.
Great video, this is the second time I have watched it. I am shopping for a lathe so this will certainly be helpful. Thanks again for posting such wonderful informative videos.
Ken
Now I see there WAS a V-groove on the back side of the head stock - in the DIS-assemble video I thought it LOOKed like only flat ways was awaiable - but you were right ... again - the head stock IS alligning itself.
Nice and instructive video for owners of such a lathe !
Thank you mrpete, as always, thanks’ for taking the time to make this video! And I support this site. ~M~
A strip of paper between the gears is a good gauge for setting the banjo. The paper meshes and when turned out leaves just the right space.
Great video as always, Your logan lathe is, as I'm sure you know is very similar to my Boxford lathe (UK Manufactured) So I guess the Logan has it's roots firmly placed in the same soil i.e. South Bend. Thanks again as always very informative and excellently narrated
Ian
Thanks, I get it now; I appreciate the response. The article I read talked about the possibility of using a dead center on the tailstock end with lubrication to reduce friction. I don't understand why anyone would do that rather than use a live center.
Like you assembly project of the lathe you showed it in detail
Thank you
I don't know if you think it odd, but this is literally my favorite video that you have made!
slad roznik Not odd, but surprising. thanks for watching
I've never used it before but I'm inspired by your mini videos, I'm going to buy me a Vintage Craftsman #109 6" Metal Lathe, thanks to you my TH-cam friend and mentor,Yours Truly Larry Harris out of Newport News VA, keep them coming Tubalcain
Thanks for watching,, yes--get yourself a lathe
likely it is from small bits of dust and grit sitting on the ways as the tailstock is slid along them. Also, the tailstock does undergo vibration when machining between centers. It's very slight amounts of wear, but on an old lathe it has time to add up.
Thanks for another great video.
Pause the video at 17:45. See the two pointed things at each end? Those are the centers. They are used for "turning between centers" when a workpiece has been center drilled. Look this up in a machinery handbook. It's too much to describe here. But sometimes the centers have to be removed - knocked out - to put a drill chuck in the tailstock or pass a workpiece through the headstock. The centers are jammed in real tight so the knockout tool is used to tap them out.
Am curious, Mr. Pete, if you checked that the rails are still flat; on an old machine like this that saw a lot of use, wouldn't there be a slight bow in the middle.
Love your channel, there's something verr soothing and tranquil, seeing the care you put into your tools.
Thank you for watching. And yes all of the old machines are badly worn
Thank you I love all of your videos :)
Glad you like them!
Another great video. Thank you.
Just put my gear box on today used your gear repair on the box that was a big help but need to know the gear set up for the change gears can't make out all the numbers you have been a big help thanks
Looks great!
Mr. Pete, do you have your grandson Jordan running any of your lathes? If so you should make a video of him running one, that would be neat! I don't think I see him as much in your videos as I use to, I thinks it's awesome to see you and him working in the shop together like when y'all poured those little army men outa lead. That was neat! P.S.- I've just been going back through some of your older videos since I've watched probably all of your videos and continue to do so! I really enjoy your channel, I sure do envy you!
great video
Great video Mr Pete! I'm a regular subscriber and am really learning a lot from your site! RECOMMENDATION: could you cover how to safely install a cutter in the bridgeport mill and a lathe spindle collett? I don't remember ever seeing proper cutting tool installations covered. I remember a fellow lost an eye 40 yrs ago in my highschool shopclass when a bit flew out of the Atlas lathe spindle while using the 9-501 milling attachment. I've always been leery since that time.
Thanks!
Mainlinehobo
YES--enjoyed teaching, however, there were many trying moments.
Interested in knowing how and what you used to clean up the lathe after disassembly. Mostly in regards to the gears and lead screw.
The dead centers, on the spindle... Look up live and dead centers, very useful for turning between centers, with a drag dog and plate you get maximum precision.
Dear Mr. Pete,
Great video, as always! I was wondering though, if I may... how does the the headstock height is set with respect to the tailstock for perfect alignment? I think I read somewhere about sticking shims between the bed and the headstock and tightening it with bolts until perfect alignment is reached, but didn't noticed it in your video here. If they come "pre-set" from the factory, how do they manufacture them there to achieve this? thanks, love your videos! :)
Thank you, Mr. P. As usual, an episode of Emmy award winning quality. I thought it curious that the flat bearing surface of the tailstock would show such wear, especially since the tailstock is essentially a static component. Do you think neglect causes this?
Mr. Pete, If I may ask a personal question. Did you find your years teaching a satisfying experience ? It seems with your vast experience you still have a captivating way of sharing your knowledge. I enjoy your videos very much.
mrpete222, I love your videos and really appreciate that you are sharing all this knowledge. I have a question...at 6:37 in the video you are putting the saddle back on the bed. At the back of the saddle, on each side, there are two small pieces of metal that are screwed just above the ways. One is shaped like a carpenter's square with a flat head screw through it. The other is shaped like a trapezoid, also with a flat head screw. What are they?
bed way wipers
On some gears you use grease, others you said gear oil. How do you decide which.
Thanks
Tony
Port Hadlock, WA
should't the apron be on there before the gearbox - leadscrew?
Have you made a video explaining your choice of name, "Tubalcain"? I understand the meaning as used in scripture, and wonder if you had given the back story and why your chose this name? Thanks for the informative videos. I am a newbie and just getting started on cleaning and re-assembling my Sears lathe.
amazing, thank you! haven't thought about machining them both on the same setup -- seems like the best to go about this. If i may, how do you know all this? Is there a book you can refer me to or recommend? the manufacturing of precision manufacturing tools interests me a lot! ;)
It really looks Nice and Clean I would not paint it it has a nice old original look
Mr. Pete,
Maybe I missed it but can you go over the things you look at when you're buying a used lathe or mill? On such precise machines, how do you determine what can be "cleaned up" and what is junk? My fear with a used lathe is abused ways.
Hey Pete just bought a 1954 Logan 11 inch, no wear anywhere,, just has broken gear box, need to find one I'm keeping this one for me,, love the oil filled apron with clutch
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Very nice lathe Mr. Pete. Is this lathe replacing any in your shop, or is it an addition?
Did you ever put a new reversing switch on the Logan?
Can you make a comparison video of your lathes? I'm in the market for manual USA old lathe
Any comment on leveling the lathe? It should be close to level in both directions for best work, especially on a somewhat irregular basement floor.
Tubalcain- There are a few questions I can't seem to definitively answer from the Montgomery Wards manual I bought from Logan Actuator for my TLC-700A. The lathe did not have much tooling when I bought it so I'm now having to slowly hunt around and purchase things as I can. Currently I'm trying to buy a faceplate, dogs and a dead center for the headstock spindle. The manual states that "The nose has 8-pitch National Form threads and has been turned internally to a No. 3 Morse Taper. A reducing sleeve permits the use of a No. 2 Taper center." So, here is my question. Should I buy a No. 3 morse taper center to use with a faceplate or do I need to purchase a reducing sleeve? I called Logan actuator and they told me I need part LP 1330 ($101.25, ouch!) and a No. 2 Taper Center. They said a No. 3 will not work. The catalog which shows all of the original accessories does not show a No. 3 Morse Taper Center. It only shows a "No. 3 Morse with sleeve to No. 2. I wouldn't be so uptight but $100 dollars is a lot of money. Thank you for any guidance you can provide. Ed
yes, you need the sleeve. try & find one on ebay--I think south bend used the same sleeve.
you might be able to make one using a 2 to 3 drill sleeve--cut it to length
mrpete222, thanks so much for the confirmation.
Fun to watch👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks
I am so surprised at how similar the Logan is to my Craftsman 10" lathe.
Where are you guys finding these lathes so cheap? All the ones I can find locally are $5000 and up.
What kind of solvent is recommended for removing the grease and grime from my 820 logan? I need to take it completely apart as in Mr. Pete's video.
+David Smith mineral spirits
Do the two screws at the front of the saddle and the three bolts on the back of the saddle get tightened all the way? My saddle locks up if I tighten them all the way. Do I need to shim it?
+vespadano1979 shim it--they need to be tight
So, you're in the basement now?
What model logan is that? Any suggestions on buying a first lathe ? I'm looking at a model 200 for 500$ I want to start machining but don't know how to start or if I jam justify buying a lathe
Montgomery wards, powercraft, 10 inch. I do not know the model. $500 is a good price
mrpete222 thanks for the help. Keep up the great videos!
how do you clean the lathe? what kind of liquid or abrasives?
I bought a Logan 225 in good condition and now have it totally dis-assembled, every screw, every bolt. It is now totally clean every piece. It has a Walenar spindle, so, not much to do there. As regards the oil-filled brass bushing, it is obvious several need replacing....Where does one find replacement bushings..?? Also a few gears show wear patterns from the mating gear...where does one find replacements..?? Thank You, David Woodruff
At 25 seconds the cart didn't want anything to do with moving that so it left.
mrpete,I am looking for a manual for the lathe model number 101.28991 ..I have looked on the web.do you have any ideas. thank you........ mrmark111.
Lord if someone could help me I would be so grateful.
have the opportunity to purchase a Logan 820 10 inch for $1,000 it's in excellent condition and it really is it hasn't been used in 20 years. Everything's perfect xcetera. The one thing that I am concerned about it I thought that these lathe we're always single phase 220. Ahead and look at the motor yet I'm going to go this weekend but it seems to be set up to run at 110 volts at the moment. My question to all you guys out there is that something that was typical on the Logans or would this probably be a rewiring that has been done and when I mean rewiring I mean within the normal limits of wiring a new life to work. Something that I could change back easily?
I have also found an Atlas lathe for real cheap all is intact on the atlas the way you look nice all the gears are perfect excetera excetera excetera it's a little larger then the Logan 802.
In addition to these two machines I've been offered a South Bend 9 inch benchtop deal with the 3-foot bad for a really good price too $700 it looks beautiful.
Does anybody have any opinions on this? I have operated lathe many many times and I know how to run them but I am truly uneducated as far as what is better with the old machines. If someone can give me some pros and cons I'd really be grateful I have a very short time to make up my mind here
+Clown Whisper Thats a tough call because I own all 3. The rewiring is easy if you need to. I still lean toward the south bends.
+mrpete222, I know it's not an important aspect but I love the look of the South Bend it looks like a little tank it's very busy in appearance in the smooth sweeping lines of the machine remind me of an old automobile. I think any of these three would serve me well as as of now I am only home one of those little crappy grizzly two lathe as I like to put it. I purchased a very very small one 7 x 14 I thought I was just going to do very small hobby things but the more I used it the more I felt inclined should you bigger and more grandiose projects.
As I sit here I just got a return reply from yet another lady that's for sale on Craigslist. It's an old 1900 Seneca Falls star. I don't think I'm going to buy that one unless I can scrape together enough money to add that one is a project lathe the fill-up. if you look at it at first glance he reminds you of a Model T Ford all black.,
Thank you for your opinion I value it although I still don't know which I'm going to purchase. I am disabled and watching your videos has really inspired me to at least try to do some hobby stuff. I can only go out to the garage and staying for maybe an hour at a time behind either alive or my Chinese Mill but it's giving me some purpose in life and I credit it to you. I just got finished making a couple of those four inch machine is clamp that turned out quite nice. I altered the design a little bit to make them half inch by three-quarter inch cold rolled steel and 304 stainless threaded rod. It's amazing what a little accomplishment like that does for your peace of mind when you're unable to get up and go to work everyday. It's helped me immensely thank you
+Clown Whisper Do not get the black one. Glad you have an interest, what with the disability.
+mrpete222 Well it looked real bad for a while, Paraneoplastic syndrome it has about an 80% fatality rate,. The other day my doctor called and told me my new test results showed that one of the antibodies that was damaging my central nervous system is now disappeared....... He said that it looks like I am going to live after all
The damage seems to be done, I'm in horrific pain all of the time and have neuropathy so severally that it feels like I'm being stung by 1000 bees on my feet. I have to keep lidocaine on them all of the time. Most days I can't get out and work on projects, but sometimes I can get an hour or so in on a lathe or mill.. I also do organic chemistry as a hobby. A lot of that is hands off so it's good. I need to be able to lay down at a minutes notice or all collapse.
I really like working on a lathe most of all. Somthing about turning metal is therapeutic. I am by trade a robotics engineer. I worked with biomedical robots for much of my adult life. That was where I got my first exposure to milling, custom parts and calibration jigs for laser alignment etc on an old manual Bridgeport machine I hope to god I can get this South Bend or one of the others... Doing this tinkering is saving my life and keeping my mind sharp.
So many tools to buy lol.
mrpete222 oh yeah, I almost forgot, so the Seneca star is not a good machine? The guy messaged me and wants to dump it fast. He basically said that I could have it for a song and he would even deliver it lol I have decided I do not have the room for one simply, to restore so I'm going to look at the Logan 820 this weekend and decide between that and the southbend 9 inch.