Very smart design. Here in the U.S.A., many building materials such as drywall or plywood, come in 4' x 8' sheets, so the extension makes it a real-world tool for carpenters.
I agree and am wondering if a 4' x 8' sheet will fit because the back of the bed is angling inward (Edit, I found a picture showing a 4' x 8' sheet with measurements in the bed). I would have preferred the back of the bed to be straight with the same function. Cool and interesting vehicle either way.
I'm buying one; it is immensely practical. The F150 was a waste of R&D because they had to keep it looking like a "pick up"; GM and Rivian went down the same hole. The Canoo truck is a fresh design effort that didn't have to look like a pick up. It just had to function like one. Its only down side is when can they deliver the vehicles in greater numbers.
I fell in with the Canoo pickup the first time I laid eyes on it. The design is brilliant, safe and practical. I left my deposit as soon as the reservations were released. It’s basically a 21st century version of a 1950/1960’s air-cooled VW pickup truck.
canoo is one of my favorite EV startups, if not the favorite. aside from this picup design, they have other REALLY neat modular models in the works. i really hope this company succeeds.
Me too! Have you seen the interview done on the "Munro Live" channel? The founder is super cool / very likeable too. EV is right about it potentially changing the industry, but like everything with the same potential, the established industry will first attempt to kill it before making any changes towards adoption.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for covering my favorite EV. It's so nice to see some Canoo coverage that isn't "will they or won't they sink to the bottom?" I think the pickup is the best package of utility I've ever seen, and I've had my deposit in on one for a year or more now. I just heard back from their help desk today that all those accessories you see in the promo videos (bed cap, top mount tent, etc) will be available from them from day one. I think this company's gonna make it good. They just signed a MOA with Moment.AI to work on advanced ADAS, also.
I'm just a s excited about the Canoo as you seem to be, and agree with your apraisal of the uniqueness and practicality of the design and function. Thanks for bringing this to the attention of us who knew nothing about it.
I just emailed you yesterday about the smaller cyberruck. Thank you, this is a great idea and just what I need. I am in Canada and hoopefully we will get the Canoo up here in the future. I hope Canoo can get financial help from someone that believes in them. Thanks for this great video Sam.
The structure at the front is not waisted space. It's critical to your safety and it's very useful to most of us. All that structure at the front saves lives and prevents massive injuries. You need that structure, that is unless you want to use your legs as the energy absorbing structures in a crash. Plus, it's a lockable storage area that can't be viewed from the outside. That's tremendously valuable to most of us. It's a weatherproof storage area. That's also extremely valuable to most of us.
Be curious to see the safety crash test with front collisions. Crumple zones and such often are used to protect occupants. Perhaps the occupant cell itself is a protective caccon? Some large lorries have the driver sitting right on the windshield and collisions can be rather gruesome. Let's see how the regulatory crash tests perform. But I agree looks quite practical.
My concern too. Humans don't take to crumpling very well. Although a traditional truck may look outdated, I'd rather have the extra space between me and whatever is trying to kill me. "The number one most important consideration" as Sam says is safety of the occupants.
Exactly my idea. Crumple zones can really save your life. I literally saw a clip of a dude in a police chase smash head first into a parked semi at clearly over 100mph. Front end completely obliterated, the dude jumped right out of the car and started running. That's impressive. I mean, he's a criminal but still it does show the effects of crumple zones. And the bigger they are the more they can protect you.
@@LPSCaitelyn I just looked it up online. Their main test for the front end was a 30mph straight on crash. In that one the entire front end pancakes to right into the dash. That'd be a fairly freaky experience to see how close that is to you. And again, that was a perfect head on crash. This effect would be worse if they somehow crash into a concrete pylon or crash into a car pulling out in front of them. I think it does look really cool, but I personally don't see it being a good idea for myself. Plus it also uses drive by wire which means you lose all steering if you lose power at speed. No pulling over to the side of the road. Drive by wire has continued to be an iffy idea for consumer vehicles because of this but brands continue to desire it as it means cheaper parts and the ability to make a self driving car without moving the wheel or making adaptive steering without extra gearing like Tesla uses. Again, it's a really unique vehicle and I love the goals of the brand, I just don't see it as a strong consideration for myself. The easy view of the ground for example is great, but so did the Oldsmobile Silhouette and we all know what happened to Oldsmobile. Oddly my parents actually has one when I was a baby. What a weird vehicle.
@@rogerstarkey5390 CANOO : "Our purpose-built pickup truck is designed to be the most cab-forward and space-efficient vehicle available,..." th-cam.com/video/sbBXMzaXDVM/w-d-xo.html - but I see your point. It's not exactly a flat-faced school bus.
There is nothing "cab forward" about this. You need to look at older models of Toyota HiAce to see what that term means, the driver sits over the front wheels. The Canoo is just a standard "cab backward" design they are trying to hide with the oversized windscreen. And by doing that they have compromised one of the best features of EV pickups, the massive "frunk". Canoo still has it, but it's way smaller than the frunks on for example Rivian or F-150 Lightning. In exchange for the large frunk the Canoo has a large wasted space in the front of the cab. You can't use it for storage because of crash safety reasons unless you can tie them down securely, and even if the luggage is secured it will be inconvenient to access since the windscreen can't be opened.
Canoo has a simple skateboard design. You pick the body style and they bolt it on. They also have designs for when FSD becomes a daily convenience; such as lounge style seating etc. Keep an eye on them.
The Canoe is the vehicle I would choose (the van). The Canoe and Rivian are the best utilitarian vehicles from an engineering standpoint, imo. But like Elan says, none of that matters if you can't make them in volume, at a profit.
I really like the van design. I'm just not a fan the back seats don't fold flat making it a bit more fiddly for hauling which is really the major selling point of a van over a crossover.
This product is ACTUALLY revolutionary unlike the cyber truck . This has interest. Modularity, key feature sets for various customer bases… Many do not like this van but this is EXACTLY what we need
I don't tend to like Tesla, but I do think the Cybertruck is more innovative. It is usually a full stainless steel body for example. The only other car to ever do it hasn't been sold in decades. The car also is supposed to have a solar cover for the rear, the extra durable windows (though personally that may be a bad thing for personal cars), and a full marble dash. Again, I have little interest in Tesla and honestly think the Cybertruck looks laughable, but I do think it's technically more innovative.
I agree with you. I bought stock in the company after seeing the pickup and the van. Unfortunately, they're running out of money and I've lost more than half my investment. I hope someone steps up a large cash infusion so that they can actually begin building the vehicles.
I absolutely agree with whats said in this video. As soon as electric vehicles came out i couldnt understand why the front "hood" was there. Theres plenty of cab over trucks out there that have i presume no trouble with safety in accidents
Saw the van version on the road in Palm Springs California. Its size is only slightly longer as my Ioniq 5. I dumped my model y reservation and i may dump my cybertruck reservation when these come available. Love your channel ! Cheers
Viking, Where have I been? I don't recall ever seeing this vehicle! I must say, I actually like the looks and it kind of reminds me of the ole VW Microbus and the old 1960 Chevy Van I drove as a kid. So I guess I love the looks. Brilliant Bed extension! I too have a CyberTruck on order. I wonder how the Crash Rating and Aerodynamic will work out? Next, I wonder if it will Tow 8,000+lbs and come in a Crew Cab version so it can be used as a family tow vehicle for a 5th wheel Camper or even just a trailer hitch camper? Cheers, Eric
The frunk on the F150 Lightning is highly practical and desirable for those wanting a work truck plus without it, passenger safety in crash performance must be harder to achieve. I see this new pickup as providing alternative choices so customers can choose what will work best for them in their work-usage patterns, but not a “F150 lightning Killer” per se.
A lot of old companies aren't innovating. They're repackaging what we already know back to us as electric. They're too big to risk anything new. Too scared to fail. The real innovators are the new companies like these but they can't do it alone. I think the big companies should find one of the smaller ones and back them up and be reborn through them.
I mean it's also that to start a new company you need to stand out. If you don't, why would consumers buy your vehicle which may not have parts in 5 years, when they could buy from a major brand that will still exist in 20 years.
I really really like this vehicle, The question is 'will it be built?" Somebody like Apple who wanted to get into the EV industry or somebody like GM should buy the company and not kill it. Could they do that?.
Sam, I've had 4 Kombies and know every nut and bolt on em. I used to drive em everywhere (plenty of off-road too) and never had overheating issues. If your parent's Kombi was overheating it was most likely because of poor tuning (timing is critical) not a rear mounted motor. I'd be looking at your parent's mechanic, not the design. The Kombi's motor and it's layout was based on VW's WW2 Kubelwagen - those things were used in all Germany's theatres of operation from summer in the North African desert to winters on the Russian steppes. The air cooled rear mounted motor was never a problem under those conditions. I think I'd like the van version of that EV! Mind you, the low range is a deal breaker.
All Canoo vehicles have the driver seating position way further back than you would initially imagine, mostly for safety reasons, as it wouldn't pass current US crash tests otherwise. That invalidates most of what you're saying but it is a cool truck and it's got a 2 foot bed extender that helps with size when needed and their front lower street view window helps the driveability of it. The length you quote for the Lightening you're comparing to the Canoo before the bed is extended, plus the Canoo is basically a single cab while the Lightning has much more passenger space. Canoo pickup back row passengers will be cramped.
Way ahead of you. Mine is already on order. Fleet production will take priority, but then retail customers like me will have our orders filled. Very exciting.
I make furniture. What I need is a E-van with an 8 foot cargo bay. If I could remodel the interior as a camping truck I’d be happier. Dream on, they say!
I've been low key investing in canoo for a year now. I also see the potential of their designs. If they can execute and actually make it to production, canoo will do well. $50 stock easy by 2024.
I agree. Very cool - especially the storage and extendable bed features. Only thing I wish to make comment on is that because of the relatively 'blunt' nose, efficiency with highway driving at speed will drop significantly (air resistance). They have sculpted the front somewhat I see, but will be keen to see the drag coefficient figures when they come out.
I have loved this truck since it was released too!! I want the pick up for my business and the minivan for my wife and family!!I wish they would get this moving along. I just don’t think they are the real deal. They should sell their design to Toyota or something and maybe they will get built as some point.
I wonder how safe the "forward control" shape with no bonnet is in a collision. I think of the bonnet as a crumple zone to protect the passenger area. Some bonnets are too long, Mazda particularly. With a transverse four packed in there they look as if they have a straight six. My 2014 Nissan Pulsar has a bonnet just long enough for the transverse engine and the passenger compartment takes up most of the length of the car. It has more legroom for four adults than the Commodore I used to drive. I think an EV with a crumple zone bonnet containing necessary equipment is the right design for most vehicles.
Imagine you're designing a utility vehicle in the "EV space" in 2018. What are the FIRST principles you're going to consider? . In no particular order. Efficiency. Versatility. Production. SAFETY.....? DUH?
Sounds pretty good. I like the cab forward design. Still a bit too large for me. Electrify my generation 1, 2001 Toyota Tacoma and I will be happy. Thank you for your attempts to use empirical units. I am pretty good about switching US to metric but, still takes a few seconds and I have to pause the vid and think a bit. Not that it matters but, it is an interesting difference. In the US we tend to think in feet and inches. A bed length of 72 inches is 6 feet which is a very common size here. 96 inches is8 feet which as another fellow commented was 8 feet and would fit a 4 by 8 foot sheet of plywood which is also standard ceiling height. The Ford you mentioned is 5 feet 6 inches or five and a half feet whereas the truck you were describing was 6 feet. For instance describing my wife I would say she is 5 foot 4 inches, written 5’4”, pronounced five four. I would never say 64 inches. I know the US system is a crazy system and I wished the US adopted the metric system a very long time ago. But, when you grow up with it you think in it. And don’t get we started on fractional inches instead of decimal inches that is it’s own nightmare.
Seems really great for protecting the vehicle in a front end collision. Those squishy meat sacks in the front will crumple up and absorb all the kinetic energy so that the battery can be saved and put in another vehicle!
@@rogerstarkey5390 not even remotely close. Have you seen crash tests before? The entire front of vehicles compress to absorb the energy. In older vehicles that energy was not controlled as well which massively injured passengers instead. Try smashing an F150 in to the front of this thing and see how those crash dummies make out in each vehicle.
@@rogerstarkey5390 ICE sedans have long front hoods for the engine bay. In a crash, the engine is supposed to take up part of the impact shock but they still get pushed into the passenger compartment. Some designs tilt the engine downward. Tesla has long front hoods solely to accommodate highly effective crumpling crash pillars. It's a trade-off, safety vs. space maximization. You have to choose one.
It is a very nice pickup truck, probably better than any other pickup truck that is out there. The only thing is IF they can make it to production before running out of money....I certainly hope so! Now I am not a big pickup man, but I would definitely like to have a Canoo Pickup truck......Ute....😊
I REALLY don't believe what I'm reading in these comments. Look at the side view. See how far the SEAT back is from the front? That's ALL "crumple zone" . DUH?
Cars and trucks have those big bonnets for safety regs. Physics did not take vacation, you still need the crumple zone. EU regs require the nose to be a standard height so that when you hit someone they go over the hood and not under the car. You have a roll over requirement that specifies that the vehicle roof must not collapse into the passenger during a roll over or when the vehicle lands on it's roof.
Agreed, short nose make sense in term of city driving, but long nose vehicle is safer at 70+mph (or 120kph) crash, so it's depend on what's your drive.
For efficiency and daily driving I like it a little smaller... But I want a truck, right now I have a 3/4 ton and I like having a large wheelbase for towing stability. I'm betting it'll be a bit smaller than I want even though I have an order on it.
Everything Ive seen so far feels like its the most user centered than any other vehicle out there. Feels very intentional and functional. I'm intrigued
I do like a lot of the details and some of the advantages but the biggest oversight in your comments about truck length is the second row of seats. A Ford F-150 can accommodate 5 people.
I agree. I have a rez for both the lifestyle vehicle and the truck, but my issue with the Canoo truck is that it only has small jump seats in the back, and while I am buying it for my company for small "truck" type things, I will still need another vehicle to use with my family. If it had a true backseat, I could have just the truck and be done.
Great description and explanation. I bought some Canoo stock(GOEV) after seeing Sandy Munro's video on this vehicle. After seeing your video I will be buying more Canoo stock. Also their truck have been ordered by Walmart and Zeeba as fleet vehicles with the US military potentially placing and order. This is a good stock to gamble on in the Wall Street Casino
I love the Canoo, but I'm afraid it will never see the light of day. I'd buy one in a heartbeat. It's sort of like those Japanese kei trucks in layout.
The module platform and customizable chassis/body is a concept GM had in the late 90's. I remember reading about it in Popular Mechanics or Popular Science in 1998-99. Finally a company was able to bring it to fruition. And the bonnets get longer for crash protection. Volvo has made mention of this in years past.
I really love the features and look of the Canoe line up. The pick up is just loaded, the only failure is the very limited range what 200 miles, so 360 Kilometers making it limit to city use really
That's my main problem with Canoo and alot of EV's in general, it's kind of like they've all just settled for mediocre range at this point and if you want anything higher, which is like barely over 300 miles, you gotta pay that pricey premium, which sucks.
Who doesn’t want one of these? My main hate with most EVs is that they still have transmission tunnels…which are empty! And you can’t move from the driver side to the passenger side.
I agree the Canoo being a interesting vehicle Sam, however I have to disagree with your comparison. The Canoo with that bed is a two seater while the Lighting is a four seater. The idea they have is great and as a Aptera client I completely agree with the big bonuses of lighter vehicles., one thing I think could be a lesson to for the design is that about 67% of all power used for vehicles is usually fighting their aerodynamic drag. I believe that Canoo shape is likely to be as aerodynamic as my Jeep Wrangler :)
@@alanjameson8664 Agreed! I was just pointing out that comparing a vehicle that is shorter than another that the reduced length is about between the F-150 and the Canoo is about the same as the second row of seats was my general point. This does not mean that the Canoo is not a potentially good vehicle just a reminder to compare apples to apples.
Think about the fact that the Tesla SEMI is more aerodynamic that your Jeep wrangler!? (There's actually a post on Reddit titled "Jeep Wrangler, less aerodynamic that a Cow!" 😂
I only want the CYBT simply for the looks: I'm not a tradesman, I don't care how practical it is, for me, its the vehicle that puts me into a sci-fi film.
Smaller, more efficient vehicles are the way forward. Cars still suffering from carmaker media telling us they are sexy, powerful and desirable! Just transport!!
Let me ask you, what is a van, e.g. a VW Tranporter? It is like a pickup truck but more practical because it has, wait for it, a roof. Keeps your load secure and out of the rain. It is more efficient because of improved aerodynamics and it is more practical because it can be used for bigger loads or more seats. If you want function rather than fashion get a multi purpose van.
Correct. I like this to a VW transporter/ Toyota Hiace. It's a GLOBAL product. But all you get here (etc) is the "US centric" .... "It's not like a Pick-up truck!!!!" . I hope they make it and the internet idiot's come to realise how good it could be.
Dodge and Ford and Chevy made cab forward pickup and van designs in the early sixties. Not sure how the people did in front end crashes but I think that they looked cool.
Growing up, my next door neighbor had one. It was so cool. His was like this only in green: fuelcurve.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Time-Capsule-1960s-Cab-Over-Pickups-and-Vans-48-of-30.jpg
Still no real mention of price; contracted delivery thus far,.. designing for small fleet and military contracts it seems. Public interest is being weighed, I believe,..
The “greatest truck ever made”, that you can’t buy….hmmmm. I also ordered the CT and I seem to have a rsvp in the 550 or so place in line. The CT is bigger than my garage, bigger than my Honda Ridgeline, bigger than I need but electric drive takes the guilt out of excess…
I liked the look the first time I saw it. I just wonder what the trailer capacity is. That is more important to me than the bed extension system as I often use trailers.
Trailers and EVs don't tend to fit fairly well. Yeah EVs feel more effortless pulling than ICE, but it eats into range dramatically. Even a small trailer does.
Looks to me like it's got something going on. 👍🏻 At first I was thinking it would be rough riding like driving a cabover which seats you sort of over the front wheels. But tomorrow I look at it The occupants are still basically seated behind the front wheel for the most part so the bottom line in the US would be how it doesn't crash test. Otherwise I'd say it's a go.
The Cybertruck is about destroying the very idea of a un-truck-like pickup. It is comparable in some ways to (but not in others) to a vehicle built for demanding/harsh environments like the Humvee. And, it also completely eliminates dependence on unnecessary conventional design concepts (from ICE vehicles or other EVs) that get in the way of its purpose - I note in particular the near elimination of the hood/bonnet section of the vehicle. Despite differences the Canoo was definitely conceived along lines similar to the Cybertruck albeit in a less bomb proof imagining of the basic idea.
Sam...Kudos mate for your quality presentations...I note the words "could be" in your caption...regarding 2022 and 2023, is this another vehicle made of "unobtainium?"...when will it be here in the USA, and available in significant numbers?....if the EV truck waters already have big waves made by F150 lightning, Rivian, Silverado, and Cybertruck when this Canoo EV truck is available, just how big a wave do you think it can make among those already in existance?...a kitty cat meow among tiger roars will not make a big impact...just a reality check...
Very smart design. Here in the U.S.A., many building materials such as drywall or plywood, come in 4' x 8' sheets, so the extension makes it a real-world tool for carpenters.
Check out ford econoline trucks from about 1960. Same idea but ICE in much more pleasing package. Wonder if Ford could bring it back in a BEV version.
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Forget Ford
If this "fails" Tesla should snap it up, fit their drivetrain and run with it.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Ford has the built in manufacturing and work vehicle customer base. Tesla has fanbois.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Don't know much about design patents but after 60 years they should be expired. Just go with it.
I agree and am wondering if a 4' x 8' sheet will fit because the back of the bed is angling inward (Edit, I found a picture showing a 4' x 8' sheet with measurements in the bed). I would have preferred the back of the bed to be straight with the same function. Cool and interesting vehicle either way.
I preordered the Canoo van. We are all praying for Canoo to make it.
They will coz china got over 90 car companies but Atleast 20 out of 90 survived it , is such a nice designed car
@@Valentineike04 ... think the defunct Chinese car companies are the source of Canoo's new robots bought at 20 percent of retail?
I'm buying one; it is immensely practical. The F150 was a waste of R&D because they had to keep it looking like a "pick up"; GM and Rivian went down the same hole. The Canoo truck is a fresh design effort that didn't have to look like a pick up. It just had to function like one.
Its only down side is when can they deliver the vehicles in greater numbers.
I fell in with the Canoo pickup the first time I laid eyes on it. The design is brilliant, safe and practical. I left my deposit as soon as the reservations were released. It’s basically a 21st century version of a 1950/1960’s air-cooled VW pickup truck.
It does have echos of that. I wonder if it's as good off-road?
Actually a copy of the Jeep forward control trucks built from 1956 to 1965. Do a double check.
Yep, loved it immediately as well. Really like the aesthetics. The only drawback is that there’s less of a crumple for front impact.
@@qtheband751 yeah...you are the crush zones.
@@GWAForUTBE Yeah hopefully they reinforce that.
canoo is one of my favorite EV startups, if not the favorite. aside from this picup design, they have other REALLY neat modular models in the works. i really hope this company succeeds.
Me too! Have you seen the interview done on the "Munro Live" channel? The founder is super cool / very likeable too.
EV is right about it potentially changing the industry, but like everything with the same potential, the established industry will first attempt to kill it before making any changes towards adoption.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for covering my favorite EV. It's so nice to see some Canoo coverage that isn't "will they or won't they sink to the bottom?" I think the pickup is the best package of utility I've ever seen, and I've had my deposit in on one for a year or more now. I just heard back from their help desk today that all those accessories you see in the promo videos (bed cap, top mount tent, etc) will be available from them from day one. I think this company's gonna make it good. They just signed a MOA with Moment.AI to work on advanced ADAS, also.
I agree.
I'm just a s excited about the Canoo as you seem to be, and agree with your apraisal of the uniqueness and practicality of the design and function. Thanks for bringing this to the attention of us who knew nothing about it.
I just emailed you yesterday about the smaller cyberruck. Thank you, this is a great idea and just what I need. I am in Canada and hoopefully we will get the Canoo up here in the future.
I hope Canoo can get financial help from someone that believes in them. Thanks for this great video Sam.
Hoopefully....I guess my spellcheck is not working. Lol
The structure at the front is not waisted space. It's critical to your safety and it's very useful to most of us.
All that structure at the front saves lives and prevents massive injuries.
You need that structure, that is unless you want to use your legs as the energy absorbing structures in a crash.
Plus, it's a lockable storage area that can't be viewed from the outside. That's tremendously valuable to most of us.
It's a weatherproof storage area. That's also extremely valuable to most of us.
Be curious to see the safety crash test with front collisions. Crumple zones and such often are used to protect occupants. Perhaps the occupant cell itself is a protective caccon? Some large lorries have the driver sitting right on the windshield and collisions can be rather gruesome. Let's see how the regulatory crash tests perform. But I agree looks quite practical.
While very cab forward, the driver is still mostly behind the front wheel.
My concern too. Humans don't take to crumpling very well. Although a traditional truck may look outdated, I'd rather have the extra space between me and whatever is trying to kill me. "The number one most important consideration" as Sam says is safety of the occupants.
Exactly my idea. Crumple zones can really save your life. I literally saw a clip of a dude in a police chase smash head first into a parked semi at clearly over 100mph. Front end completely obliterated, the dude jumped right out of the car and started running. That's impressive. I mean, he's a criminal but still it does show the effects of crumple zones. And the bigger they are the more they can protect you.
They have tested them, check them out on yt
@@LPSCaitelyn I just looked it up online. Their main test for the front end was a 30mph straight on crash. In that one the entire front end pancakes to right into the dash. That'd be a fairly freaky experience to see how close that is to you. And again, that was a perfect head on crash. This effect would be worse if they somehow crash into a concrete pylon or crash into a car pulling out in front of them.
I think it does look really cool, but I personally don't see it being a good idea for myself. Plus it also uses drive by wire which means you lose all steering if you lose power at speed. No pulling over to the side of the road. Drive by wire has continued to be an iffy idea for consumer vehicles because of this but brands continue to desire it as it means cheaper parts and the ability to make a self driving car without moving the wheel or making adaptive steering without extra gearing like Tesla uses.
Again, it's a really unique vehicle and I love the goals of the brand, I just don't see it as a strong consideration for myself. The easy view of the ground for example is great, but so did the Oldsmobile Silhouette and we all know what happened to Oldsmobile. Oddly my parents actually has one when I was a baby. What a weird vehicle.
Excellent observations Sam. This design takes "Cab Forwarding" to a whole new (dare I say game changing) level!
If you really look, it's not particularly "cab forward" look at the seat position.
@@rogerstarkey5390 CANOO : "Our purpose-built pickup truck is designed to be the most cab-forward and space-efficient vehicle available,..." th-cam.com/video/sbBXMzaXDVM/w-d-xo.html - but I see your point. It's not exactly a flat-faced school bus.
I HOPE A TESLA "CYBER" VAN will compete with the CANOO !
There is nothing "cab forward" about this. You need to look at older models of Toyota HiAce to see what that term means, the driver sits over the front wheels.
The Canoo is just a standard "cab backward" design they are trying to hide with the oversized windscreen. And by doing that they have compromised one of the best features of EV pickups, the massive "frunk". Canoo still has it, but it's way smaller than the frunks on for example Rivian or F-150 Lightning.
In exchange for the large frunk the Canoo has a large wasted space in the front of the cab. You can't use it for storage because of crash safety reasons unless you can tie them down securely, and even if the luggage is secured it will be inconvenient to access since the windscreen can't be opened.
Careful to say, "game changing" around Sam.
Soon there will be a video about how it....changes the game! Lol
Canoo has a simple skateboard design. You pick the body style and they bolt it on. They also have designs for when FSD becomes a daily convenience; such as lounge style seating etc. Keep an eye on them.
You've got the best outros in the biz, equivalent to people hanging up the phone without saying bye bye in 80s movies. 😎
The Canoe is the vehicle I would choose (the van). The Canoe and Rivian are the best utilitarian vehicles from an engineering standpoint, imo. But like Elan says, none of that matters if you can't make them in volume, at a profit.
I really like the van design. I'm just not a fan the back seats don't fold flat making it a bit more fiddly for hauling which is really the major selling point of a van over a crossover.
@@Skylancer727 yes that's a good point. I would want the cargo can version.
This product is ACTUALLY revolutionary unlike the cyber truck .
This has interest. Modularity, key feature sets for various customer bases…
Many do not like this van but this is EXACTLY what we need
I don't tend to like Tesla, but I do think the Cybertruck is more innovative. It is usually a full stainless steel body for example. The only other car to ever do it hasn't been sold in decades. The car also is supposed to have a solar cover for the rear, the extra durable windows (though personally that may be a bad thing for personal cars), and a full marble dash. Again, I have little interest in Tesla and honestly think the Cybertruck looks laughable, but I do think it's technically more innovative.
I agree with you. I bought stock in the company after seeing the pickup and the van. Unfortunately, they're running out of money and I've lost more than half my investment. I hope someone steps up a large cash infusion so that they can actually begin building the vehicles.
I absolutely agree with whats said in this video. As soon as electric vehicles came out i couldnt understand why the front "hood" was there. Theres plenty of cab over trucks out there that have i presume no trouble with safety in accidents
Agree. The form of pickups will change as designers learn to fit the design to the EV technology. Good analysis.
that 8ft bed makes it useable in my world. I cant wait for more information about this truck, and hope they are a successful company.
Saw the van version on the road in Palm Springs California. Its size is only slightly longer as my Ioniq 5. I dumped my model y reservation and i may dump my cybertruck reservation when these come available. Love your channel ! Cheers
Viking,
Where have I been? I don't recall ever seeing this vehicle! I must say, I actually like the looks and it kind of reminds me of the ole VW Microbus and the old 1960 Chevy Van I drove as a kid. So I guess I love the looks. Brilliant Bed extension! I too have a CyberTruck on order.
I wonder how the Crash Rating and Aerodynamic will work out?
Next, I wonder if it will Tow 8,000+lbs and come in a Crew Cab version so it can be used as a family tow vehicle for a 5th wheel Camper or even just a trailer hitch camper?
Cheers,
Eric
The frunk on the F150 Lightning is highly practical and desirable for those wanting a work truck plus without it, passenger safety in crash performance must be harder to achieve. I see this new pickup as providing alternative choices so customers can choose what will work best for them in their work-usage patterns, but not a “F150 lightning Killer” per se.
A lot of old companies aren't innovating. They're repackaging what we already know back to us as electric. They're too big to risk anything new. Too scared to fail. The real innovators are the new companies like these but they can't do it alone. I think the big companies should find one of the smaller ones and back them up and be reborn through them.
I mean it's also that to start a new company you need to stand out. If you don't, why would consumers buy your vehicle which may not have parts in 5 years, when they could buy from a major brand that will still exist in 20 years.
Sandy Munroe just test drove the Canoo and loves it! Let's just say this thing is well built, a hoot to drive, and it even does burn-outs lol
Love it. I hope this comes to Australia.
I really really like this vehicle, The question is 'will it be built?" Somebody like Apple who wanted to get into the EV industry or somebody like GM should buy the company and not kill it. Could they do that?.
hopefully tesla will buy them out and let their "machine that builds the machine" magic go to town on these canoos
This is like a Kombi and a Jimny had a love child
great veicle very well designed hope they go to production, hope this start up have all the success
Mind blowing great design. Let's hope they make it to market.
honestly a beautiful purpose based design!
Did ya catch the food truck configuration? YUM!
The Canoo factories are in Arkansas and Oklahoma., USA. Both of which will be close to the new Panasonic battery factory to be built in Kansas.
I am standing in line for one of these.
Sam, I've had 4 Kombies and know every nut and bolt on em. I used to drive em everywhere (plenty of off-road too) and never had overheating issues. If your parent's Kombi was overheating it was most likely because of poor tuning (timing is critical) not a rear mounted motor. I'd be looking at your parent's mechanic, not the design.
The Kombi's motor and it's layout was based on VW's WW2 Kubelwagen - those things were used in all Germany's theatres of operation from summer in the North African desert to winters on the Russian steppes. The air cooled rear mounted motor was never a problem under those conditions.
I think I'd like the van version of that EV! Mind you, the low range is a deal breaker.
All Canoo vehicles have the driver seating position way further back than you would initially imagine, mostly for safety reasons, as it wouldn't pass current US crash tests otherwise. That invalidates most of what you're saying but it is a cool truck and it's got a 2 foot bed extender that helps with size when needed and their front lower street view window helps the driveability of it. The length you quote for the Lightening you're comparing to the Canoo before the bed is extended, plus the Canoo is basically a single cab while the Lightning has much more passenger space. Canoo pickup back row passengers will be cramped.
I've been digging that since I saw it. The Bollinger was rad too.
This is FAR better
Jim Farley and Sandy Monro couldn’t stop praising the frunk on the lightning. Neither of those idiots could see how much length was wasted.
Way ahead of you. Mine is already on order. Fleet production will take priority, but then retail customers like me will have our orders filled. Very exciting.
Are they (canoo) starting production?
Actually houses do have huge unused areas, they are called gardens! :):):)
I make furniture. What I need is a E-van with an 8 foot cargo bay. If I could remodel the interior as a camping truck I’d be happier.
Dream on, they say!
I've been low key investing in canoo for a year now. I also see the potential of their designs. If they can execute and actually make it to production, canoo will do well. $50 stock easy by 2024.
I agree. Very cool - especially the storage and extendable bed features. Only thing I wish to make comment on is that because of the relatively 'blunt' nose, efficiency with highway driving at speed will drop significantly (air resistance). They have sculpted the front somewhat I see, but will be keen to see the drag coefficient figures when they come out.
You don't have to optimise every feature of every vehicle for highway driving.
I’ve always liked the Canoo. I think it looks cool and is practical.
I have loved this truck since it was released too!! I want the pick up for my business and the minivan for my wife and family!!I wish they would get this moving along. I just don’t think they are the real deal. They should sell their design to Toyota or something and maybe they will get built as some point.
Not Toyota.
TESLA.
It's a perfect basis for a Robotaxi/ van/ bus, etc
Great video on the CANOO. Seems like a fantastic vehicle.
This is the replacement of the Honda Element in ev form! Very cool.
I wonder how safe the "forward control" shape with no bonnet is in a collision. I think of the bonnet as a crumple zone to protect the passenger area. Some bonnets are too long, Mazda particularly. With a transverse four packed in there they look as if they have a straight six. My 2014 Nissan Pulsar has a bonnet just long enough for the transverse engine and the passenger compartment takes up most of the length of the car. It has more legroom for four adults than the Commodore I used to drive. I think an EV with a crumple zone bonnet containing necessary equipment is the right design for most vehicles.
The Mitsubishi Miev Minicab had a 4 star rating 2011 - 2018.
Some crumple test footage on TH-cam somewhere.
Its not good. You get annihilated if you hit anything. Or you get ejected if the vehicle is very tall
Imagine you're designing a utility vehicle in the "EV space" in 2018.
What are the FIRST principles you're going to consider?
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In no particular order.
Efficiency.
Versatility.
Production.
SAFETY.....?
DUH?
Just BTW
Look at the distance from the setback the the front of the body.
"No crash zone"?
Are you kidding?
Sounds pretty good. I like the cab forward design. Still a bit too large for me. Electrify my generation 1, 2001 Toyota Tacoma and I will be happy. Thank you for your attempts to use empirical units. I am pretty good about switching US to metric but, still takes a few seconds and I have to pause the vid and think a bit.
Not that it matters but, it is an interesting difference. In the US we tend to think in feet and inches. A bed length of 72 inches is 6 feet which is a very common size here. 96 inches is8 feet which as another fellow commented was 8 feet and would fit a 4 by 8 foot sheet of plywood which is also standard ceiling height. The Ford you mentioned is 5 feet 6 inches or five and a half feet whereas the truck you were describing was 6 feet. For instance describing my wife I would say she is 5 foot 4 inches, written 5’4”, pronounced five four. I would never say 64 inches.
I know the US system is a crazy system and I wished the US adopted the metric system a very long time ago. But, when you grow up with it you think in it. And don’t get we started on fractional inches instead of decimal inches that is it’s own nightmare.
Seems really great for protecting the vehicle in a front end collision. Those squishy meat sacks in the front will crumple up and absorb all the kinetic energy so that the battery can be saved and put in another vehicle!
Look at the size of the driver, then estimate the distance from his head to the screen, then front of the vehicle.
You don't think that's sufficient?
@@rogerstarkey5390 not even remotely close. Have you seen crash tests before? The entire front of vehicles compress to absorb the energy. In older vehicles that energy was not controlled as well which massively injured passengers instead. Try smashing an F150 in to the front of this thing and see how those crash dummies make out in each vehicle.
@@rogerstarkey5390 ICE sedans have long front hoods for the engine bay. In a crash, the engine is supposed to take up part of the impact shock but they still get pushed into the passenger compartment. Some designs tilt the engine downward. Tesla has long front hoods solely to accommodate highly effective crumpling crash pillars. It's a trade-off, safety vs. space maximization. You have to choose one.
Just got a TH-cam survey before this video
"Which of these car brands would you choose?"
Subaru
Toyota
Mazda
Acura
None of the above (the one I chose)
It is a very nice pickup truck, probably better than any other pickup truck that is out there.
The only thing is IF they can make it to production before running out of money....I certainly hope so!
Now I am not a big pickup man, but I would definitely like to have a Canoo Pickup truck......Ute....😊
I love it ! Extremely practical!!!
Now it’s ugly but ugly now is better than super cool later…. I guess
Canoo is a great concept! Good size too.
Wonder about the front crumble zone with the cab that far forward
I REALLY don't believe what I'm reading in these comments.
Look at the side view.
See how far the SEAT back is from the front?
That's ALL "crumple zone"
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DUH?
Cars and trucks have those big bonnets for safety regs. Physics did not take vacation, you still need the crumple zone. EU regs require the nose to be a standard height so that when you hit someone they go over the hood and not under the car. You have a roll over requirement that specifies that the vehicle roof must not collapse into the passenger during a roll over or when the vehicle lands on it's roof.
Agreed, short nose make sense in term of city driving, but long nose vehicle is safer at 70+mph (or 120kph) crash, so it's depend on what's your drive.
It only has a 200 mile range, so I wouldn't expect a lot of highway driving.
The best shape for EV is that of an egg.. that's pretty much that that is.. I like it.
You keep saying that the Cybertruck is bigger than an F-150, when it is actually slightly smaller than an F-150 in length, width and height.
Right?
The Cybertruck’s production dimensions have not been officially released.
For efficiency and daily driving I like it a little smaller... But I want a truck, right now I have a 3/4 ton and I like having a large wheelbase for towing stability. I'm betting it'll be a bit smaller than I want even though I have an order on it.
You nailed it Sam. Good going.
Everything Ive seen so far feels like its the most user centered than any other vehicle out there. Feels very intentional and functional. I'm intrigued
Memories of the 1961 Corvair pickup truck.
I thought the same as you Sam. why do we need a bonnet? I think it is due to having a crumple zone in case of a crash.
Thanks Sam.
The CT did a lot to change popular expectations from the mundane to 'adventurous'.
So acceptance of the Canoo will be a lot smoother.
The Canoo reminds of the Ford Econoline P/U’s and GM Corvair P /U’s from the early 1960’s.
Now I'd buy a few to spread around to friends and family if I could!
Canoo look on the case. Unlimited customization possible.
Also planning to release a dual motor 4wd/awd design. They have designed enough ground clearance in to take advantage of that.
I do like a lot of the details and some of the advantages but the biggest oversight in your comments about truck length is the second row of seats. A Ford F-150 can accommodate 5 people.
yet lots of people only want a van seating for a ute
I agree. I have a rez for both the lifestyle vehicle and the truck, but my issue with the Canoo truck is that it only has small jump seats in the back, and while I am buying it for my company for small "truck" type things, I will still need another vehicle to use with my family. If it had a true backseat, I could have just the truck and be done.
Great description and explanation. I bought some Canoo stock(GOEV) after seeing Sandy Munro's video on this vehicle. After seeing your video I will be buying more Canoo stock. Also their truck have been ordered by Walmart and Zeeba as fleet vehicles with the US military potentially placing and order. This is a good stock to gamble on in the Wall Street Casino
What would be a good price to pay for the stock?
Will the stock be getting diluted in the future?
I love the Canoo, but I'm afraid it will never see the light of day. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
It's sort of like those Japanese kei trucks in layout.
have been keeping an eye on the Canoo and also Electric Brands XBus - Don't know if they'll make it to Australia though
LOVE THE SHAPE
The module platform and customizable chassis/body is a concept GM had in the late 90's. I remember reading about it in Popular Mechanics or Popular Science in 1998-99. Finally a company was able to bring it to fruition.
And the bonnets get longer for crash protection. Volvo has made mention of this in years past.
I really love the features and look of the Canoe line up. The pick up is just loaded, the only failure is the very limited range what 200 miles, so 360 Kilometers making it limit to city use really
That's my main problem with Canoo and alot of EV's in general, it's kind of like they've all just settled for mediocre range at this point and if you want anything higher, which is like barely over 300 miles, you gotta pay that pricey premium, which sucks.
Who doesn’t want one of these?
My main hate with most EVs is that they still have transmission tunnels…which are empty! And you can’t move from the driver side to the passenger side.
If you look at the Canoo online, you will see that is not true with their design.
The whole floor is flat.
I love the looks of the Canoo, but are they going to make it?
All I want for work is one of these...alas I'm in Canada and no plans for them to come here. Baloney!
Cybertruck looks like something from back to the future, this thing looks like something from back to the past
I agree the Canoo being a interesting vehicle Sam, however I have to disagree with your comparison. The Canoo with that bed is a two seater while the Lighting is a four seater. The idea they have is great and as a Aptera client I completely agree with the big bonuses of lighter vehicles., one thing I think could be a lesson to for the design is that about 67% of all power used for vehicles is usually fighting their aerodynamic drag. I believe that Canoo shape is likely to be as aerodynamic as my Jeep Wrangler :)
A pickup truck generally doesn't need more than a driver and a swamper, if that; four seats is a hybrid truck/sedan.
@@alanjameson8664 Agreed! I was just pointing out that comparing a vehicle that is shorter than another that the reduced length is about between the F-150 and the Canoo is about the same as the second row of seats was my general point. This does not mean that the Canoo is not a potentially good vehicle just a reminder to compare apples to apples.
Think about the fact that the Tesla SEMI is more aerodynamic that your Jeep wrangler!?
(There's actually a post on Reddit titled "Jeep Wrangler, less aerodynamic that a Cow!"
😂
@@rogerstarkey5390 I completely agree too. I have often compared it to a brick but I think a cow is not a bad comparison HAH.
I love this one.. range, range & range?
preliminary estimate of 200 miles. 250 miles on the same skateboard with enclosed "loaf of bread" bodies.
Should I mention that this had the "frunk work table" long before Ford "borrowed" it?
I only want the CYBT simply for the looks: I'm not a tradesman, I don't care how practical it is, for me, its the vehicle that puts me into a sci-fi film.
Smaller, more efficient vehicles are the way forward. Cars still suffering from carmaker media telling us they are sexy, powerful and desirable! Just transport!!
Let me ask you, what is a van, e.g. a VW Tranporter? It is like a pickup truck but more practical because it has, wait for it, a roof. Keeps your load secure and out of the rain. It is more efficient because of improved aerodynamics and it is more practical because it can be used for bigger loads or more seats. If you want function rather than fashion get a multi purpose van.
Correct.
I like this to a VW transporter/ Toyota Hiace.
It's a GLOBAL product. But all you get here (etc) is the "US centric" .... "It's not like a Pick-up truck!!!!"
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I hope they make it and the internet idiot's come to realise how good it could be.
Dodge and Ford and Chevy made cab forward pickup and van designs in the early sixties. Not sure how the people did in front end crashes but I think that they looked cool.
Growing up, my next door neighbor had one. It was so cool. His was like this only in green: fuelcurve.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Time-Capsule-1960s-Cab-Over-Pickups-and-Vans-48-of-30.jpg
This is great. I am thinking of getting one of this. Any idea of price?
Still no real mention of price; contracted delivery thus far,.. designing for small fleet and military contracts it seems. Public interest is being weighed, I believe,..
I didn't think Canoe had the marketing budget to pay for a spokes person!
In fact, many homes in the US will have large, ornate “living rooms,” up front that are almost never used by the occupants.
The “greatest truck ever made”, that you can’t buy….hmmmm. I also ordered the CT and I seem to have a rsvp in the 550 or so place in line. The CT is bigger than my garage, bigger than my Honda Ridgeline, bigger than I need but electric drive takes the guilt out of excess…
We are building a new house and included an extra long garage bay. My wife wants her Cybertruck inside.
Looks great! Wondering about safety though… 😕
Have always liked that design. Was concerned that I have not heard much about them lately. I know they sold vans to NASA
I liked the look the first time I saw it. I just wonder what the trailer capacity is. That is more important to me than the bed extension system as I often use trailers.
Trailers and EVs don't tend to fit fairly well. Yeah EVs feel more effortless pulling than ICE, but it eats into range dramatically. Even a small trailer does.
@@Skylancer727 it eats into the range of an ICE as well. Having a Duramax I can assure you my mileage drops when I pull a trailer
Looks to me like it's got something going on. 👍🏻
At first I was thinking it would be rough riding like driving a cabover which seats you sort of over the front wheels. But tomorrow I look at it The occupants are still basically seated behind the front wheel for the most part so the bottom line in the US would be how it doesn't crash test. Otherwise I'd say it's a go.
This Canoo truck is perfect for what I need. I hope they can get this out to the public soon. If so, I'm in.
This is the future.
The Cybertruck is about destroying the very idea of a un-truck-like pickup. It is comparable in some ways to (but not in others) to a vehicle built for demanding/harsh environments like the Humvee. And, it also completely eliminates dependence on unnecessary conventional design concepts (from ICE vehicles or other EVs) that get in the way of its purpose - I note in particular the near elimination of the hood/bonnet section of the vehicle. Despite differences the Canoo was definitely conceived along lines similar to the Cybertruck albeit in a less bomb proof imagining of the basic idea.
Sam...Kudos mate for your quality presentations...I note the words "could be" in your caption...regarding 2022 and 2023, is this another vehicle made of "unobtainium?"...when will it be here in the USA, and available in significant numbers?....if the EV truck waters already have big waves made by F150 lightning, Rivian, Silverado, and Cybertruck when this Canoo EV truck is available, just how big a wave do you think it can make among those already in existance?...a kitty cat meow among tiger roars will not make a big impact...just a reality check...
I agree Viking! I have been a bit obsessed with this design since watching the Munro video about it.
Beautiful car!
I bet the thing will rattle like hell.
However, Australians are accustomed to having trays that rattle with every bump in the road.
I love it. Brilliant.