Performance Throttle & Intake Spacers DYNO TESTED | Project Half-Send Focus ST
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Our project 2016 Ford Focus ST is all about DYNO TESTING performance parts to gather the best information to share with you!
We are kicking off a bunch of new install videos with some interesting and common mods, available for most cars: Intake Manifold and Throttle Body Spacers. We are asking the age-old question: Do Intake Manifold Spacers make more horsepower? Do Throttle Body Spacers make more power?
With a claim of better flow, and potentially +15hp for each piece, Alan bolts these up to the Edge Autosport Focus ST and runs before and after dyno pulls to prove it (For science). We reached for the Boomba Racing spacers for this video: These slick, billet aluminum spacers looks awesome, and allow for extra port fuel and water/meth injection options.
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Great video , I’m a little sad that I feel like I wasted some money but this video was definitely something we need. Keep them coming
Yeah you see alot of snake oil with the aftermarket. You just have to figure it out from experience.
I bought them because Edge recommended them. Wouldn't have bothered if they wouldn't have recommended them.
Bro his testing is flawed I've used them on my race car and aluminum manifolds the difference is better response go for a rip stop your car and touch your manifold it will be cold to the touch a colder manifold will always perform better he's trying it on a plastic manifold the whole reason they make plastic manifolds is to stop them from heat soak exactly what the spacer is doing
Great information love seeing someone break down myths like this with actual testing and explanations in a well put together video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I just bought a focus st new years and I’m learning so much about these cars from this channel! Awesome content and the step by step dyno pulls are amazing and really help me decide what I need to support my engine as I mod it 😊
I gotta say, I'm impressed that you were able to install the TB spacer... After cleaning my valves, I installed the IM spacer and tried to install the TB spacer as well. But for the life of me I couldn't get the IM to line up no matter what I did to adjust it. I'm running the Cobb charge pips and IC as well. I just left the IM spacer on. After learning that they don't do much I'm glad lol 😂. I threw on both catch cans, sound symposer delete and pcv plate all in one shot. Shes running solid! Thanks for the video! Keep them coming!
I also had a feeling it will make no difference.
As Alan mentioned, the spacers can still be very beneficial by installing port injectors / watermeth nozzle which will make a huge difference.
Cleaning intake valves is highly recommended….then adding catch can!!
Thanks for the videos! Really enjoying your content 👍🏻
Thanks for tuning in, glad you liked it!
Thank you for this great very cognitive video! It’s just amazing to watch it and know results!!! It’s so many useless mods on the market you can spend so much money with no results. You just saved me about $100 !!! Thank you 🙏🏻
I said this a long time ago on the focus forums, so I’m glad this reinforces my findings…I also stated a ported TB did nothing as well so hopefully you can get your hands on one to really seal the deal on this snake oil
We will be doing this as well at some point.
Ported throttle body can help out in most applications, it all depends on how restrictive the intake system is,
@@GoGoggansGo on these cars you need a larger throttle body, solid charge pipes, etc. To help with power. I don't think porting will do much unless you're doing nitrous or meth injection.
Gained 2.8hp & 5.4tq w/ ported tb(62.65mm). No spacers. Depo fmic & cnt charge pipes were already on car.
It’s a turbo I bet that’s why no change
Great video! I’m FBO with the TB and intake spacer, can’t wait to see what you can do to my car here soon! You 🐐
I feel the vibes on the catch can stuff, I need one 😄
Always a good idea, give us a shout if you need help picking one out!
You definitely need one. That's the only regret I have is not getting a catch can sooner
Glad I found this. Save me from buying some.
This is why we test things!
And THANK YOU for all these information. 👍🤯
Good thing I got mine used 😂
awesome content with the focus ST. keep it up 👍🏻
I have seen videos and read articles that show a very modest gain in HP and torque, but they were on naturally aspirated engines not forced air set ups. It is usually only 3-5 HP or ft/lbs at the most. But if a cold air intake can get you 5-10 HP and a cat back system close to the same, you could possible gain 25-30 HP and a similar increase in torque. The problem is that it will cost you $800-900 for those gains. It would be good to see someone do a video where they go from stock to adding each of the upgrades to see if there is an actual gain, and do it on an NA engine. It would also be interesting to see how a simple power module or tune would differ with and without those upgrades. Who knows, it could make a noticeable difference, especially on some of the lower HP 4 and 6 cylinder engines.
If they did make significant power, it would have been better to test them individually and together. Great information..
How about doing a Mustang ecoboost 2.3 TB swap see if a bigger TB makes a difference?
I would not expect any changes on a boosted engine.
What I would be looking for, is a powerband shift with some small increases on the bottom end of a smaller 4 banger NA engine. You’re basically lengthening the distance between the intake valve and the throttle valve. Therefore, you’re increasing intake air speed at idle and off idle.
On an NA engine, too much intake runner can actually create a restriction @ WOT.
What I don’t understand, if you’re boosted, why you wouldn’t just run an extra fuel injector that squirts on the impeller?
It cools the wheel and air charge, is pre-atomized, cleans the intake valves and gives you the extra, needed, fuel. 🤷♂️
It would be to far away and as the atomized fuel travels through the charge pipes and ic it would condense back into large droplets. This would reduce the consistency of added fuel. If your looking to drop charge temps before the manifold they do make a nitrous fogging system for intercoolers to externally cool the ic using n2o.
Thanks for the video. At the very least, I know I will need an oil catch can, and a trip for a walnut blast. (Funny thing is, I sent an email to Alan earlier today, asking if I should get an oil catch can.)
Man, I feel like intake spacers made such a big difference on my 1992 Maxima back in the day. Maybe I was imagining things. Or maybe a NA older car would benefit more? I dunno.
Consensus is, it makes a big difference in carbed cars, and I recall hearing the VQ (Nissan Z) faithful love the spacers on the throttle and intake.
I seen these for ls motors and I figured they were to tighten up the look of the engine bay when you switch from fan clutch to electric, people thinking these add power don’t really know the basics of making power
unfortunately a couple of companies used "improves airflow" as a marketing tactic and the HP gains spiraled out of control from there.
I put just a throttle spacer on and felt a huge difference in tq
Really? Is it on a focus st? I just ordered one and trying to decide if I should cancel it?
Love the video learning so much about the 2L ecoboost platform! I’m a bit of a unique case but I got a 2L ecoboost on my Lincoln MKZ being rebuilt forged internals with full bolt ons, can you tune this car? Planning on big turbo next year! Would love to get one of your tunes!
Assuming that a similar turbo engine with an aluminum intake used thermal spacers in the same spots, would not the reduction of heat transfer from the engine to the intake cause the incoming air to be cooler and hence allow the engine to make more power?
Would it be better to get a throttle body upgrade?
I am a machinist by trade and enjoy making tools and doing "G" jobs. Would you suggest making my own throttle body spacer? My 2015 dodge dart 2.4 has very few bolt on mods
Well... I have to say I´m somewhat unimpressed. Driving these things (Steeda) around since many years to finally find out it´s just paper weight. If only this comparison would have been done earlier. But still, thanks for it! Not many have the chance to do this back to back test on a dyno for just a single part. Only one thing what came to my mind: I read these things only show their TRUE (haha) potential when tuned for it, there´s a value for the intake volume which has to be adjusted by the volume increase of the parts. Don´t ask me how much that is...
I should send you guys my Ebay Special ST for Dyno when I get back to NM, love to see you tear it up for LULZ
Ebay cars tear themselves up, no tuner needed
@@EdgeAutosport 100%, im one year in ebay BT but she is still doing good....for now
Pls test trev one way valve racing system which is installed or splice pcv and intake manifold hose❤
The problem is that you did not use enough spacers. I use seven on my Yuto (half Yugo, half Pinto) no it drives like a Vega.
So I have a 2018 focus st and iv been buying whatever I can to spice it up. I got the COBB a/p, an AWE track edition exhaust, MSD ignition coil packs, NGK spark plugs, CPE intake, and MISHIMOTO front mount intercooler... Thats basically it besides some cosmetic mods. But my question is having all these aftermarket parts, should I get it tuned so that i dont have any mechanical issues with stock turbo and engine internals/block?
Check out our video about tuning a stock ST, Sebastian. Sparknotes: it's always a good idea!
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Do a rear motor mount right away. Anything over stock power makes the wheel hop horrendous
What are your wheel and tire fitment? I love the look.
245/40/18, and the wheels are 18x8.5
Can you please make a video for focus st with a G25-660 please 👍🏼
I looked at the boomba but I didn't see any advantage. The only spacer I've spacer seen for these cars that look like they should make actual difference is the Steeda intake spacer. I would like to see some dyno results from that, similar to the Boomba they did pay some attention to the airflow entertaining the ports, but instead of knife edging it has a recessed rounded dividing edge. The only downside is it has no ports for any type of injection.
CAN YOU TEST A SPRINT BOOSTER. I got one and the car feels completely different throughout the different settings
Great vid! Do yall plan to do a WMI comparison in the future?
I'm not sure we'll do WMI but it's a possibility
Increasing your intake runners length I.e spacers will change power band or can depending on vehicle. They're originally meant to increase throttle response. I don't know why anybody ever thought that it was going to give a bunch of horsepower cuz they don't. That's not what they were originally intended for the invention of the spacers. Pretty much older than probably most the people watching these videos
I'm late to the game with this comment, but assume the people that designed it did it for the reasons they did. The bottleneck isn't here unless there's an off the shelf reason, go after the under engineered stuff first that came of the parts bin and then have some data as to what to go after next!
I thought I had heard somewhere, I think by stratified that catch cans don’t really do anything for our cars? DO I NEED IT OR NOT
Catch cans 100% do something. Whether you need it or not is up to you. But they're useful.
You aren't going to gain power with a catch can. It is more of a maintenance mod.
What Alan said. A catch can is exactly what it says. And I filled up the bottom third of full size red plastic cup last time I drained mine
If you’re increasing the intake volume shouldn’t you also be increasing the exhaust to equal it out or are you already good on exhaust output?
At this time in the build we already had an aftermarket downpipe and catback setup.
Had my intake valves professionally walnut blasted before fitting the mishimoto baffled oil separator catch can 👍
That's the way to do it!
At how many miles, driving an 18 with about 45k on it... Thanks!
I'm about to get in touch with y'all about getting a tune or two 😅. Anyone I should ask for by name? 😅 I have a couple questions I'm sure y'all can answer too.
Alan is our in-house tuning guru, and our E-Tunes can be purchased through our website: edgeautosport.com/shop?search_query=etune, but feel free to call the shop with questions.
My only comment would be: isn't this like any other bolt on you install on the car? Meaning; you're not gonna get any HP gains from it unless you have it tuned.
I'm not saying spacers are definitely going to see power, but would it now be possible to eek out some more power where you couldnt before using the power of an updated Alan Super Tune TM?
There isn't really anything to tune for with these. I'm riding the knock limit with the car right now and have tried to increase timing and boost separately and together and it just knocks more if either increase so that tells me it is happy where its at. We haven't tried any of these tests with the e30 map, though I doubt there would be any difference there either.
@@TMTMS3 thanks Alan for the explination. You're the best!
You're right. More air needs more fuel. None of these videos address that.
you buy turbos for duratec 2.0 ?
Is that a Kobalt Digital Torque Wrench 🔧... How do you like it if it is, been thinking of adding 1 to my tool collection
Sure is, it's a great tool - very confident using it!
@@EdgeAutosport Going to purchase 1 next week 🤣😂🤣😂
Do Velossatech's big mouth or Steeda snorkel next. I bought an eBay knock off just for looks ... made absolutely no difference. Though, I only got it for looks because it looks cool ... like snake oil.
Good idea! I'm not sure we are moving enough air on the dyno to really test it, but could be worth a shot!
I'll send my steeda spacer if you'll do a comparison, I'll just need it back afterwards lol.
try it on naturally aspirated
Spacers are functional with aluminum cast intake manifolds to prevent heat soak…but our intake manifolds are plastic
Say I've put 65k km on my ST and I want to get a catch can installed. Are there options for cleaning the valves/engine other parts coated with oil and other gunk?
Most people seek 'walnut blasting' services to clean the gunked valves. This is a pretty inexpensive and effective option! After the AOS/Catch Can, they should stay sparkly clean.
Next time do it with a aluminum manifold
With a tune it might do something different.
Was it on the same tune?
There were no changes to the tuning before/after the spacers
Can I double stack them? How can I get more of the hissing sound
I wouldn't do that. We got the best turbo sounds after installing a metal intake system: edgeautosport.com/mishimoto-performance-air-intake-black-ford-focus-st-2013/
2017 ST. I honestly felt a bit of throttle response but that’s it, for the causal driver that wants to build their car I would stay away from these, spend the extra $150-$250 on something else
I agree. The best thing I found with this car is to take care of charge air Temps first and foremost, then seal the engine off, i.e. the rubber plug ford calls a bov, and get rid of the noise symposer.
Spent $109 on a 62.65mm ported tb. $530 on Depo fmic & cnt charge pipes. $35 AEM filter & removed box lid. 1 stage colder plugs & JST E30 tune soon, as soon as I get M Factory LSD in.
What would a focus RS TB gain in power?
adding a bigger tb doesn't show much benefit on a turbo charged car until you get up into the very high horsepower ranges
What is this an AWD focus ST? Why are rear wheels spinning on dyno
Its an AWD dyno, the axles are linked
What do you guys think of adding a larger throttle body to this?
Because the throttle body isn't a choke point on these turbo cars, you won't see much benefit from upgrading it without a lot of other mods
That thing isn't awd right? The back tires were spinning on the dyno
Linked dyno. Not AWD
@@EdgeAutosport what's the point behind that? More accurate readings because it's having to move the rear wheels as well?
Why are catch cans not fitted from factory?
Because 94.5% of the Focus consumer base would not empty them on time.
all well and good on a turbo car... but what about an N/A? 🤔
Reviews are mixed, some V8 guys swear by them, and I know some 350/370Z drivers really like them on the VQ series... but we haven't been able to test anything personally
@@EdgeAutosport if you take physics into account. a turbo wouldn't benefit, because the air is being forced threw, no time to be tumbled, and atomized.. because it already is...
An N/A on the other hand benefits from just about any extra volume of air that you can get... so more condensed volume of air means more power.. same concept as a turbo, but not to the extreme...
I got a set coming for my 86..
wish i had a dino to test on..
but 🤷, we shall see what it does to the torque dip.
Thanks for reply
It does increase the manifold plenum, negligibly though
@@tayvonrose2528 im getting 2-3 liters per 100km better on fuel, with just the throttle body spacer so far...
thats not negligible...
@@jesse584 I meant the plenum volume increase is negligible
I've never heard they were suppose to make power. I have one on my MK3 Supra. It is not metal. It effectively acts as insulation between the intake and head, this dropping the metal temperature of the intake. By quiet a lot at least externally. No real to test the actual temperature inside.
Gotta do it with a ported throttle body and no TB spacer . Those are a waste.
I got no faith in these spacers but I'm hoping I'm wrong, but for the price I don't see the money for value
would a more empirical test be.. test one thing at a time, than two? manifold spacer first.. test.. remove the spacer, then test the spacer under the TB test that show each result.. by doing both at one time you cannot see what each is doing/ or not doing.. also,, as the valves are easy to see, to clean the carbon,, could you test a 10000mw burning laser to clean the ack of the valves.. the laser would just vapourize the carbon,, not letting fall into the cly/ turbo.. i have played with a 10000mw laser,, and i think it can be usefull.. and they are not $$$
Given that running BOTH did NOTHING, we can easily infer that NEITHER would do ANYTHING. If there was some sort of benefit from running only one of them, we would've seen it on the dyno.
The concept for both is allegedly the same: It adds space for air to breathe on the intake manifold. Allegedly and based on the dyno, Boomba lied (not a surprise ... Velossatech does the same with their big mouth).
ok Alan good video ,surprised you didn't take a look down the valves while the intake was off ,
so a few things I'd like to see tested and tuned for, 1 catless DP or 100 cell vs catless, 2, a CB exhaust, 3, a 2.3 TB and maybe a vellossa tech BM scoop and finally that coldside charge pipe with that sound suppressor in it
Velosa is snake oil man
You're one of those guys that comments before you watch the whole video.... I can tell. ;) But seriously, we won't be doing any catless testing or anything like that. If we do downpipe testing, it'll be with a GESI catted pipe like the Cobb.
Definitely looked at the valves. Quickly covered them up so I didn't have to keep looking at them... what you can't see can't hurt you right?
@@EdgeAutosport no actually i did watch it all thru very interested in this project, when's the next video
@@adenellicott5980 3:50 he looks down the valves ... so ... clearly you either weren't paying attention or commented before actually watching the video.
I would love to see a extreme DI fuel pump versus aux fuel Video. And can extreme DI fuel pump run e85 on the ST
We're going to do some stuff.
We will get there :)
Cool, I’m Finally going to buy my E-tune from you after work, can’t wait for you work your magic 🙏
Aluminum spacers DO NOT MAKE POWER.
Only spacers made out of phenolic material do.
Is this an awd st?
Linked dyno. Not AWD
Wait, and AWD ST? Am I missing something?
Spacers don’t make power it just helps with your throttle
Is anyone’s audio also not synced up? The audio is like a second behind the video.
Try reloading the page? It may be a TH-cam error while loading the content... It seems synced up from our end anyway
You’re probably on Bluetooth
🤣🤣 goose egg 🥚
salut Alan j'avais fait le test avec le x37 2.1b boost , résultat elle avait perdu en boost en haut régime j'avait perdu en puissance j'ai vite sortie les entretoises la voiture était devenu une merde.
Bonjour! C'est intéressant. Je suis content que nous n'ayons pas perdu de puissance. (Pardon any grammar mistakes haha)
@@EdgeAutosport j'ai bien compris vôtre réponse le français est correcte ☺ pardon pour l'erreur de grammaire 😜 pour être 100% is good 😇
Yup, spacers only work with CARBEURATED cars.
BS that’s not gonna do anything don’t waste your money, save it and get a bigger turbo
Waste of 20 minutes of my life. You could have just said they don't do anything unless changing fuel system layouts or type.
i try and tell em, these things are useless lol