Jim Cornette on The 2022 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame Inductees
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- From Episode 462 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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Jim Johnston absolutely deserves some form of recognition. The impact of guys like Undertaker, The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H, Vince McMahon, on and on and on owe SO MUCH to Jim's music. Comparing him against actual wrestling talent however is asinine.
I agree. He should be in a hall of fame. Just put a section for behind the scenes legends
I totally agree 👍. Because without the theme music it wouldn't be the same. That is one thing I disagree with Jim on.
@@greghuffman3061 Ultimate Warrior said he wanted that in his Hall of Fame speech. And then right when you think John Cena had used up all his avenues to shout about charity...
Jim Johnston is an icon and deserves to be in the HOF.
Yeah - Jims take on this is an example of where his activity as part of the promotion takes away from his knowledge of what the fans enjoyed at the time. Johnston’s music is still getting massive numbers of clicks and likely he isnt getting any money for it either.
There has never been a day in my life that I've ever cared about anything that Dave Meltzer has written or said...
Before I started listening to this podcast, I had never heard his name.
Then you don't care much about accurate history, as even Cornette will admit Meltzer has written great obituaries, bios, history pieces, etc.
I think there’s a clear difference between writing an obituary of someone, with verifiable facts within it, versus lsitening to Dave’s opinion of what is good or not. For me I generally don’t really care what his opinion of things are but that’s mostly just because we have a different taste.
@@VirgilZandigmost people dont
@@VirgilZandig yeah 20 years ago
Politician Of The Year: Chris Jericho
Exhibitionist Of The Year: Mandy Rose
Stoner Of The Year: Matt Riddle
Why The Hell Did This Happen: Ric Flair's Last Match
Gymnasts of the Year: The Elite
“Power Couple” of the Year: Sammy Guevara and Tay Melo
Nick Gage award: Jon Moxley
Can't pay his wrestlers but knows how to spend it on an affair with women award- VKM
You can't see me award- Miro
3 years of coming to wwe soon promos award- veer
@@micjamfamflippers2191 can't pay his wrestlers?
They had 130 people under contract and 12 of them being paid multiple millions of dollars each per year. He had money to pay for those he wanted to have money to pay.
@@TheChristianNomad So employers should only pay those they want too? Braindead take. Why people say wwe is an echo chamber of one. He should pay everyone and feature the fan picks.
Best Backyard Show: AEW
Meltzer should be considered a non entity at this point.
Dave's a nonfactor
Tell that to the AEW neckbeards
Always was a non entity. He always had an attraction to bad wrestling & the signs where always there that he would betray any good wrestling that he was interested in for acrobats, flips & bad wrestling. Dave is an imbecile.
Employees from WWE have already done that
He's more important and relevant than Cornette is.
Corny, gotta tell you, I'm 63+ and an old-school wrestling fan. I was raised in the Midwest so naturally I hated Bobby Heenan the most, but you came the closest to matching that hatred (via GCW on TBS). Blassie, Albano, Grand Wizard, Gary Hart, Jimmy Hart, Lord Al Hayes, Big K, JJ Dillon - bless their hearts all - none came close to Heenan until you. I enjoy your podcasts, never miss them (although I generally go for the snippets these days). Keep up the good work and a joyous holiday season to you and your'n! Oh, and a Happy Hanukkah to Brian as well.
I'm the same on the podcasts. I love listening to Jim cutting promos on modern wrestling and his telling of wrestling history...but long segments of audio, no matter how entertaining, will eventually make me sleepy
Hopefully you aren't senial and bipolar like Jim is. Also, nobody liked Bobby Hernan. Morons only started kissing his ass after he retired, got sick and died. Everyone you just named are superior to him.
That's Cha nuu kah as Smokey Robinson would say.
Heenan is one of the best entertaining people in wrestling. He reminds me of a WC Fields kind of comic. But he could draw heat. Just a lowlife manager, always cheating and making excuses lol.
I'd put Blassie In the top hated 3 managers. That cane and his sniveling was top notch heel
I didn't know Brian was Jewish.
Brian: Explains about a dozen times this is the first year that tag teams are being considered.
Cornette: WHY AREN"T THESE TAG TEAMS IN?!
Then brings up the assassins (fat asses from the south) and 100 years ago ray stevens
Tag teams have been inducted since the Hall of Fame began. Road Warriors and Fabulous Kangaroos went in the first year.
Brian just made a terrific point that Dave's doing this "Hall of Fame" like Tony books aew
You can talk about many of these names but Taue and Kawada are real legends and deserve a place in every Hall Of Fame in pro wrestling.
Nobody’s denying that they belong in. The problem is they shouldn’t be in before other more deserving wrestlers.
Being in Dave´s HOF is as prestigious as not being in it.
As a Maltese guy, I am honoured that Jim knows that Malta exists. And he is correct, there's about 6 of us.
if you're really Maltese, I don't want any "about" 6, go outside and count everyone and get back to us, I want concrete numbers lol
No he's not. He pulled that number out of his ass like most things he says.
Forget about "The Falcon!" I want to know if "The Maltese Bippy" actually exists!😂🤣😂😏📺🎥B.W.
Dude I like Jim but Kawada and Taue were the pillars of All Japan Wrestling and we’re a legendary team who had legendary tag team matches that made huge money in Japan. Ibushi is puzzling though
yeah idk why he was disparaging a team that im pretty sure sold out every single main event they were ever in except mayybe the late 80's early 90's
@@maxpeacock9503 Because he hates people fawning over Japan and wants redneck barnyard wrestling from the 80s to be praised instead. Basically, xenophobia and/or jealousy.
@@duckmercy11 Considering Cornette praises Japanese wrestling and guys like Mr Fuji, Tatsumi Fujinami, Tojo Yamamoto, Inoki, Rikidozan, Tenryu, and especially Giant Baba, it's more like he's seen so much DDT comedy garbage from Japan over the last 15-20 years, he's suspicious of ANYTHING from Japan now, because of possible affiliation with DDT, doll wrestling, Twinkletoes McFingerbang, and his Hentai fetish he calls wrestling.
It's not racist or sexist or xenophobic to hate the fact that there are people in the wrestling business that are bad at what they do, regardless of race/nationality.
Jim Johnston definitely should be in the hall of fame. He wrote the best songs of the most popular era of pro wrestling. Tons of people who haven't watched wrestling in years could hear Stone Cold's theme and get hyped
Totally. The golden age of wrestling owes a lot to its aesthetic.
It’s absolutely absurd he’s not in any Hall of Fame. Several wrestlers owe their careers to him.
When you hear the glass it’s your @$$
@@mlaws11291 Yep and neither is Andy Kauffman HOF's are, generally, a huge political bad joke.
Did you listen to the video at all?
You're who they're talking about 😂
I know Meltzer knows alot about wrestling history and wrestling in general but over the years he's proven that he's gone nuts.. Which is why i don't understand why people keep looking towards him for some sort of validation or someshit. Like who gives a shit what he thinks you know? Haha
I think people need to look to his opinions for what they are which is simply his opinion. If you share his taste of wrestling then his opinion may be of value to you because if you like similar things then what he says is good will probably be enjoyable for you. The issue that comes up with Dave and what he says is when people look to it for more than what it is. If you view what Dave says as a measure of objective worth then you’ll naturally be upset because all things Dave reflect his tastes. If you can view him for what he is then it shouldn’t bother you.
Why do we give so much credence about a newsletter that not even 200 people voted on?
That’s the number of paid Observer subscribers
I don't
Any vote for any HOF should be limited to a select few knowledgeable enough to do so competently, because the average man is a fool. But it should also never be just one man like that phoney ass WWE bs HOF.
Mandy Rose definitely gets my vote for Female performer of the year.
I got more entertainment out of her this year than almost anyone else who is currently in wrestling. Fuck it, make her an overall Performer Of The Year finalist.
Only simps get entertained by pics they're not involved in.
Female performer of the year: Kenny Omega
@brysoncherry9884 you’re just mad no one bought those naked pictures you took of your mom.
@@abtei_im_eichwald She does a better knee lift than Kenny.
Just further proof that Jim doesn't hold Japanese wrestling in high regard.
Kawada and Taue more than deserve to be there and to deny it is absurd.
Naito and Ibushi have had some of the best matches of the past decade.
From what I've listened to, Jim does like Japanese wrestling, just not much as American wrestling.
@@dilungmoveityafool777 not even a fraction as much. It's okay to have a preference but always acts like his opinions are just straight up facts
I used to be a dirt sheet mark.
I personally thank Conrad Thompson and Bruce Prichard for clearing it up for me.
They killed the "Enjoyment" I used to get from wrestling... But after giving it some thought, I wasn't enjoying it anyway. I had the "Santa" moment explained to me when I was younger... There was only a brief moment where I thought everything was legit.
Dirt sheets came to my attention during the attitude era. They took advantage of the uncertainty of the Wrestling business, and I once again thought there was a Legit part of the business.
Bruce, Bischoff, Cornette even Konnan and Disco... They all exposed the business just enough to expose the dirt sheets as a secondary work.
Jim Johnston needs to be in the Rock N Roll HOF just as much as the wrestling HOF
Jim's description of Big Daddy was 1 of the funniest things I've heard in a min.
Jim Johnston deserves recognition. He is to wrestling what John Williams is to movies. Imagine Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, etc. without the genius of Williams' music behind it.
For being a “historian” of wrestling Uncle Dave has contributed towards its present and future downfall …
"Wrestling historian" that sounds so fucking stupid.
Because Meltzer has lost touch with what wrestling is. He's blinded by that Japanese shit
Seems like that's what historians do, even our boy JC incidentally like the Screw job or having Candido leg drop a cat
His HOF methodology is terrrrribly flawed to the point that its as irrelevant as thr wwe’s choices
So has Cornette, dude literally thinks all wrestling should revolve around barnyard redneck promotions from 40 years ago.
As a British Wrestling fan... Rollerball should be in any hall of fame, but if you apply a "Order of Precedence" then I agree with Jim; Johnny Saint, Adrian Street, Kendo Nagasaki, and a few others would go in before we get to him.
On the Big Daddy question. He was a massive star who pulled in massive rating in his feud with Giant Haystacks, but after that reached it's peak in 1981-82 the ratings plummeted, but being the brother of the booker/owner kept him on top. The damage Max and Shirley did to British Wrestling took the best part of twenty years to fix, and it's only thanks to guys like William Regal, Ricky Knight, Fit Finlay, and a bunch of guys who never gave up that any nucleus of Professional Wrestling survived. So, for me he did far more harm than good, and if I got to vote on "Uncle Daves vanity Project", it would be a hard no. Giant Haystacks though, he would be an in.
That wasn't the reason British ratings plummeted though, the people running the t.v network didn't want wrestling because it looked bad according to their ideals. They moved it to a different time slot and it cut the audience in half, so they had an excuse to drop it. I thought Jim would have known this.
The damage he did was award worthy. Not many can pull a Ratner like this
Most of those guys didn't do what Rocco did in Japan as the original Black Tiger.
The Golden Boys will never be in, unfortunately.
I disagree it's a Hall of Fame and Big Daddy's was famous in Britain and is still remembered, even if his matches were mostly rotten. I think WWF becoming popular on Sky TV and appealing to the kids was the real problem more than the Crabtree's I don't see any UK star or promotion competing with that.
Lol. I started giggling as soon as I saw this one pop up in my feed. When I saw that it was 30 mins long, I knew it would be good. Unka Dave segments are getting almost as good as Shitstain segments.
Or the old hulk hogan beach shop segments
@@jasoncorr4619 ...or dating sim segments
@@shaunk6925 never thought I'd like, see the day, bro, when someone would like, oust Shitstain, bro!
But Meltzer has found a way to do it. Let that sink in...
That face of Uncle Dave that has me choking on smokes never gets old. This must be about the fortieth time Corney rips him a new one.
Too bad the feud can't be regarded as a 5* classic. Too one sided.
I have to disagree with Jim about
Akira Taue and Toshiaki Kawada,
they are a legendary tag team..
and his dismissal of Tetsuya Naito as well.
Dave Meltzer makes faces at blind people.
“He made Hogan look like Steamboat.” Classic. Fuckin’ ell. 😂
Is hogan in that hof
☠️☠️
Voting is very reminiscent of how FIFA conducts it's voting in soccer for the ballon d'or people across the world would just vote Messi or Ronaldo even though their were clearly other players who had a better year for the past 2 decades some years
Nobody has actually had a year more deserving than Messi or Ronaldo, the times they've won it. People saying Ribery or Sneijder were clutching at straws. Modric was lucky to pick up his too.
I won't pretend to be some wrestling historian but I'll say this .. when I hear Kota Ibushi ahead of a Paul Orndorf, or a Junkyard Dog or a Slaughter, I know this voting system is trash. Shame on Meltzer
Ibushi & Naito got in? Omg, that's absolutely insane. Kawada & Taue truly do deserve to be inducted as a tag team, incredible 7 year run with numerous classic matches and several main events that drew million dollar houses.
Naito was the biggest meach seller of teh past 10 years in japan Ibushi helps build the number 2 promotion in japan Cyberfight promotions formally ddt Sell out Sumo |Hall twicw a year bakc in 2015 Ibushi was teh ace of teh promotion somthign alot of the us people who neevr got in were never the promotional ace Oortin was neve ace The sintres were never ace al aces should og in not matter what hence why i think Miyahra shpuld go in Before punk for exmaple hebeen ace for 6 years Suwama also was thre prevois all japan ace same with Marufuji Suigiura and Shiozaki Cena was ace on Orton and even in RIOH Punk was never ace name any promotion and the ace s sould go in first then ebeyr oen below him and alos i put match quilty over all things people like jim owuld ca; end game the best movoe of all time sicne teh hold teh biggest gross
@@seanbuchanan5402 thr wwe os very much less relevnt bacuse its not voted on by nayone like a HIF should be
All 4 deserve to be in and all 4 are in. So where is your grip
I'm a fan of Ibushi and Naito and I agree. I mean maybe in another 10-15 years but right now it's like wtf?
This is the same hall of fame that put in Sakaraba in before the Rock, Sting, Jericho, Triple H, the Rock n Roll and Midnight Express, Jim Crocket, etc becuase Meltzer is a Japanese MMA fan. Alvarez and Meltzer also spent years trying to discourage people from voting for Sting, the star babyface in one the biggest pro wrestling programs ever.
I can see Sakuraba before some AE and RA Era guys. Not Express 1 and 2 and JEC though.
yes as he sould sicne saku b=raba ipact was beyond wrestling as well hell for around 5 years he was the biggest sports star inm japan not wrestling/mma only sport as whole he was a nationl sporting hero that tyoe that donr even Dena had amde of a UFC guy since Connor fo exmaple is not the national sports hero of Eire is he and non uf guuy in the us us a big a say Tom Brady for exmple the only other mma guy who has such a name is Fedor in russia he is litraly the 2nd biggest name sportsman of the post Soveit age only Karalin beats Fedor whne ot come ot name regocnation in russia yex not even Kabib or any russian boxier
and that is how big for aorund 5-7 years Sakuraba was he was with in japan the outside the prime minster and one big name Pop Star the biggest name full stop in the nation not seicne akebono taro was at his biggest was nay one that hige form nay sport in japan Sakuraba fights in pride were getiing 25-35 mlionnn tv virewes lol eev that it Hight in the aae U WWE and WCW combaed were not getting that raw righest raing was round 6 mlioon Sakuraba 90 mumtie fgiht eith Royce Gracie 35.28 mlionn people wataced its th biggest sing rating for a sporting evnet ever minde you ut was facing on the other Cannhel a Drama witch would get 25-30 mlionn viewer each week ther Saku fight got an over 28.59% tv rating or just undr one in three people in japan watched it
WWE nd wcw raing were in good in the ae but based on how ttv ratying are calcyukated in us ys Japan wer e in japan its based on total Popultaion like senibake system less than one in every 30 were watching wrestling in the hight of the AE vesy all od Sakuraba fight in pride iwth in japan were gtiing betwen 20-25% ofo the total ievwere watching it just saying
The people who receive Japanese ballots dont vote on Mexican wrestling, North American wrestling etc. and vise versa. The vote is compartmentalized in that way.
@@wwltd3036 i know this bout people who the us is backed up i jus mention how bakc uop the ulucja era is and osme peopel vote in Mulioale aera
Just to really throw a wrench into things, I'd vote for Jun Kasai, the Spanish announce table, and Teddy Hart's cat
How is Sgt. Slaughter not going in!! Great wrestling career, GI Joe cameos, and his work with Austin. The guy is a legend.
His matches with Pat Patterson and the Iron Sheik are the best matches of the 80s not involving Flair or Steamboat
Why isn't Jim Johnston in the WWE HoF? What a deserving contributor.
He was a glorified jingle writer. A million people could have done that. He wasn't any kind of musical genius.
@@Rjensen2 Yeah, that's why there is one single other wrestling entrance music creator that anyone recognizes as "good" in the history of the sport.
@@Rjensen2 What nonsense, lol.
Only Travis can make Meltzer have the characteristics of Bill The Cat from Bloom County.
I knew about Dave in the 90s and I use to read his articles cause he was one of the few that would talk about japan and other places, but even back then I would read something he said or see his news letter and say "GTFOH, this dude is smokin something", cause he would ignore WCW and WWF, and some of the indie stuff that was good.
There were indies in the 90s?
What were they like?
@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn Always had been. It depended on who was running the shows. In the 90s you had the big two companies in WCW and the WWF (3 when ECW picked up) and everyone else.
@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn t there was in all major markets an dindies by 1991
qwerty: There was one in particular in Ohio back in the day called Heartland Championship Wrestling with a trio worth keeping an eye on. Same Faction: Sami Calihan (and Solomon Crow and then Sami Calihan). Jon Moxley (and Dean Ambrose and then Mox). Sean Ricker (and Eli Drake and then L.A. Knight). And all three won Championship Gold years later in various vestiges of the big time!😉🎤🤼♂️B.W.
What even is the Observer Hall of Fame? I imagine it's a handwritten list hanging on Meltzer's refrigerator
I disagree with Jim about Kota. I totally get his view about his joke matches at DDT.
Sometimes Its like Jim sees those matches and thinks that's all he does.
Kota has had some serious bangers, with nakamura, styles, okada, and Naito.
Although I would say that his lack of personality keeps him out of the HOF, but I can see why people would vote him.
I think Naito deserves to be in the HOF to be fair. Has had amazing matches, has his own faction and has good personality.
I differentiate Naito from Omega like this: Omega is a dork's idea of cool. Naito actually is cool.
Paul Orndorff & Larry Zbyszko are not in despite being two of the biggest drawing WWF heels of all-time.
Millennial age WON voters won't know Orndorff and barely know Zbyszko from his time as a WCW commentator.
Wendy's Hamburgers are now ALL ELITE! Can't wait to here Jim's take on this!
I'm not saying Jim Johnston should be above the others Jim talked about, with that said, he did put together a ton of iconic ring music. You may not consciously think about it, but theme music has always been incredibly important.
Maybe in 20 or 30 years it'll be his turn to go in.
To defend Jim Johnston He created every wrestlers theme song and hype music for events and helped make an impact with the rock n wrestling connection and glamorous entryway. He played a part of every wrestler.
He was barely around for the Rock n Wrestling era. That was Jimmy Hart.
Dollars to donuts, Meltzer created that tag category just to get the Young Fucks in. He had to realise they had no chance of getting in as singles even with the Observer's current readership
Yeah I dont know why there isnt already a tag category. Seems ridiculous.
@@duckmercy11 Tag teams have always been in the Hall of fame. The Road Warriors and the Fabulous Kangaroos went in the first year. Many tag teams - Midnight Express, Rock 'n Roll Express, Freebirds etc have been inducted in past years.
Said it before and I’ll say it again; anyone who’s never gave KURT ANGLE a five star match isn’t worth any time
I don’t like the idea of active wrestlers being included. I feel like Dave did it so he could give Omega more accolades
Lol. Kevin Nash isn't in the Observer Hall of Fame, but Twinkletoes and Ibushi are in. It is such a joke now.
I can't think of even one Nash match worth anything.
I could rewatch ibushis g1s and Kennys singles push again. Nash is a promo and 7ft nothing more....like Cass.
Kevin Nash had his chance in the Summer of 92 but sadly couldn't measure up
@@brysoncherry9884 Guy wrestled Bret Hart and HBK multiple times and you cannot think of a match, but you can watch the gymnast with the stupid facial expressions? Right...
These comments show exactly why people shouldn’t give even 5 seconds of thought to Dave’s hall of fame. Wrestlers who drew money and helped spark the biggest boom in modern memory don’t measure up or deserve to go in because they don’t have amazing matches while people who haven’t drawn major money on major shows do because they have good acrobatic matches. The goal of wrestling was always to make the most money. It was never about having the best match. If a wrestler who was popular and drew big business happened to have a good match that was a nice bonus but it was never the goal. Rarely if ever have the biggest revenue draws in wrestling throughout history been the people who were the best workers. Hogan, Cena, Austin, Rock, etc. we’re never seen as the best workers in the world but they made the most money for their companies and as such are remembered by the most fans as legends of the business. A hall of fame that doesn’t factor the money drawn isn’t one worth caring about. Not to mention whatever voting metric he is using to get people in makes next to no sense. I’d rather just have a Vince choose random people Willy nilly because at least they selection system makes sense even if it’s shitty.
@@Matt-cr4vv Nash sucked don’t get Nash confused with NWO; however, he should be in the HOF due to so many less deserving wrestlers getting in. On his own what did Nash really do? You can’t book the NWO forever and Nash had no legs to stand own without it.
Thank you Jim for being just about the only person with a platform I've heard acknowledge the damage Big Daddy did to British wrestling, he was a draw, yes. But caused so much damage to the reputation and overall drawing power of British Wrestling.
Adrian Street did a interview on TH-cam and he spoke about how big daddy damaged the British wrestling scene
I watched Greg Valentine tell me to watch bull curry v Johnnie Valentine best of 3 match.. It's now one of my faves
Money Mark of the Year: Tie between Tony Con and CONrad Thompson
Kawada and taue were much better than jim's picks
Biggest criticism is they didn't team much because of the booking of all japan
And they were on a regional ballot
Taue and Kawada are legends ❤
This is a problem that is occurring more and more (Not just in wrestling but all sports) where individuals are not prepared to look beyond a certain year/era. I'm not sure if it's ignorance or just laziness in learning the history of a sport that you work in.
I mean isn't Jim doing that? Dismissed taue and Kawada as if they have done nothing but they were two of the four pillars of ajpw at its most successful period and had one of the greatest tag matches of all time, but Jim wouldn't know as he doesn't know much outside a tiny period in a tiny region
@@jayfunk2012 TIny period = 100 years. Tiny region = United States. Okay, sure...
@Raymond Rich japan was bigger during period with gates wwe and wcw could hope for. also both new japan and all japan have been around for 50 years hardly small period but what you know you listen and agree with cornie and he doesn't
@@jayfunk2012 I guess I have to explain the joke, sigh. I don't agree with Jim and have no issue with Taue & Kawada being in, but to say "he doesn't know much outside a tiny period in a tiny region" is patently absurd.
Taue & Kawada are one legendary team tho. Maybe other should've entered the HOF first, but they are definitely worthy. They were 7X AJPW tag team champs during a boom period. Also during that time the AJPW tag titles had basically main event status.
Does Cornette think that Kawada and Taue are modern Japanese wrestlers?
Tell me again how Dave Meltzer became THE authority and last word in wrestling? Tell me again why I or anyone should care about anything he puts out? JC said it best last time... he's been around the business a long time but never in it. Why should/do we care?
He's been covering it the longest. 40+ years.
I slightly disagree with Jim here, in that I think Dave Meltzer has cultivated a certain audience over time and that is reflected by his readership and its voting.
I still remember the Young Bucks being called Generation ME. They were a jobber team in TNA and I thought then that "they will never be anything worth talking about". Fast forward to now and you just made mention that they could be in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame. Did I just wake up in a Nightmare on Elm Street movie with my love for wrestling getting ready to kill me with Freddy cutting my head off or something?
That was some of their best work too 🙄
@@jbo8540 That's the problem. They weren't any good trying to be credible in TNA. I will take BeerMoney any day.
Jeremy and Max Buck!😂😂🤦
There was a very weird twist in the $100,000 Battle Royal on TNA Impact on 10/07/10. This was three nights of course before the infamous finish of the "10/10/10 Bound For Glory" PPV. At certain points in the Battle Royal on October 7th, Generation Me's Max and Jeremy Buck ended up tangling with ECW heroes like Tommy Dreamer and Sabu. So two thirds of the future EVPs went at it with guys from EV2...😂😏😖🎤🤼♂️B.W.
And yet here you are, so many years later talking about them online to strangers. Hahahah
I'm 42. I have never cared about Dave Meltzer. I watched wrestling because of the logic like guys like Corny.
Do you like that he wrestled a Ninja Turtle?
Multiple things can be true: plenty of people who should be in the WON HOF aren't and yet it's entirely possible to argue for Taue/Kawada (tag) as qualified. Can you tell the story of their respective wrestling eras without them? Taue & Kawada were the preeminent All Japan team of the 90s in the most grueling Tag League tournaments on network television. They faced the very best Japanese/American wrestlers and their matches absolutely hold up today in a very favorable light.
they deserve it more than some other famous tags that aren't in? make it make sense.
I just think a lot of the people Jim mentioned like the original Bobby or Roca and Perez are from a bygone era and are forgotten to history due to lack of footage. And the age demographic of smart marks have gotten younger so there definition of "Classic" is 1980s and 90s musical composer Jim Johnston....it's only going to get worse with the Bucks and shit because observer fans are skewing younger and have no idea who Wild Bill Curry is.
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I love when Brian does the “Neckbeard Internet Wrestling / Young Bucks fan” voice because honestly that's how they sound most of the time! 😂
Místico & Los Villanos definitely belong in the wrestling hall of fame. Místico revitalized lucha libre in México during the 00s and sold out arenas every single Friday for years straight before he went to the WWE. Los Villanos were a cornerstone of the oldest lucha libre/ wrestling promotion on earth. Funny that Jim “hadn’t heard of them” when they toured Japan with the American guys in the 70s & 80s.
jim is close minded and racist wehn iot come tp wrestling that show when Iushi held build that was the 2nd bigggest promotin in japan Cyber fgit is simply put pre pendemic and attacnde ruels taht are sill in place Cyber fight got 1.8 Mlionn tickest sold that that was on sterdy gorwn patten form 2012 with 300k titekc sold i poodubt someone liek Segal a simptant as he was eve r got clsoe ot 2 mlionn tikect sold in a year yiu sir are the only really smart fan among corntte cult
The argument seems mainly to be on timing and the exclusion of other talents who are barely even recognizable anymore due to just never being inducted in the last thirty years. Jim is definitely ignorant on guys from Mexico and Japan but I do understand his argument. There are plenty of people that have deserved being in a Hall of Fame for a long time that just likely never will be.
You're the guy that told me Death Triangle will draw huge ratings. Surprise here you are with another inane take.
Let them be inducted to some Halls of fame in their own respective countries.
@@Treklosopher wrestling is Gobal tyou cosloe minded fool
Mentions active wrestlers He wants in then says active wrestlers shouldn't be in.
I looled up WON HOF on wikipedia and according to their lists Sgt Slaughter is listed under worst matches, angles, washed up wrestlers and unimproved. OMG thats insulting.
When Brian started his young bucks fan voice, I thought my 10 year old brother was yelling from across the house for a moment
Cue up "Ace of Spades" from Motorhead.
Disagree. The only place Moolah belongs is in the hall of shame.
I was literally going to say they should start their own hall of fame. I know they won't....but they should lol.
Like Brian was saying, he technically already owns one. He would just have to fire it back up.
18:05 Punk only got 41? I wonder who influenced Dave on those vote numbers.
Bratty Matty, Ninny Nicky and Twinkletoes McFingerbang aka The Elite that Punk beat
Brian and Jim now know how people who give a shit about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame have felt for the last several decades.
Maybe it's because of the podcast, but I'm in my early 30s and I know Rocca and Perez and would notice if they were on a hall of Fame ballot. It speaks to their legacy that their name would carry over for this many decades. That's a black mark on the Hall that they didn't get in on the first try
You guys bring more attention to this than Meltzer draws on his own. He’s not worth the coverage.
When they started adding people who were still active it started becoming pointless. Surely a hall of fame induction is supposed to be for an acknowledgement of your career whether it be from winning loads of championships or the drawing power you had or even the significance you had for a specific period or because you revolutionised something long term. Getting voted in because people have liked your matches in recent years shouldn't be a thing.
A shout out to anyone and everyone who remembers Norman Kietzer and the original Wrestling Revue!
Every style can have it's place on a good wrestling card. Where it gets tiring today is the lack of diversity which is ironic because WWE and aew are all about inclusiveness. I'll take an old school card with squash matches and an absurd character or two over the bland predictability of modern wrestling. I respect the athleticism, it's the best it's ever been, but there are no modern singular industry changing wrestlers. It's gotten so micromanaged and predictable that no one stands out.
Turd Meltzer doing Turd Meltzer things
Recency bias is always a problem with Hall of Fame voting
Jim mentions teams....THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR FOR TAG TEAMS
Therefore it's really fitting one of the best tag teams of all time go in, which they did taue and Kawada were awesome
@@jayfunk2012 makes sense to Me. I have no objections to them
The Buckaroos and Olivier (Already in) are going to go into the Observer Hall of Fame before Hall and Nash WHO FOUNDED THE nWo. 😂
Twinkletoes had a five year run in Japan, and his only major exposure in the States is in a company where he is an EVP, but he and Ibushi are more deserving of being in the Hall of Fame than Kevin Nash or Sgt.Slaughter, or the Steiners. Anyone who takes anything Unka Dave does seriously anymore is smoking something that they shouldn't be.
Renee and Steiners I agree. But Kenny has had a match consistency (singles) that people work their whole career towards. Even someone like Danielson keeps trying to have perfect matches, I think Kenny does too. He's good for others to push themselves.
@@brysoncherry9884 he's still wrestling he shouldn't he in any HOF.
Jim not doing himself any favors by waving off Kawada and Taue, who I suspect he hasn't seen much of, with the same tone he applies to Ibushi.
He's an ignorant clown who thinks most Japanese wrestlers are interchangeable.
So Slaughter didn't make it but the stomach mutant from Total Recall did? I gotta be missing something.
WWE needs to induct Baron Von Raschke
Listening to the breakdown of how Dave puts people in sounds mental gymnastics for "screw the voters, here's who I want to put into my imaginary hall of fame."
Wow I would actually be very interested to hear who would get a ballot. Hearing the discussion between Jim and Brian would make for a great segment
Randy Orton is still active. So is Punk, he hasn't announced he's retired àgain
Big Daddy destroyed faith in wrestling in the UK until the attitude era and even then many still turned their nose up at wrestling in The UK. Not that he meant it but he done alot of damage to the credibility unfortunately.
Are you forgetting the massive WWF craze circa 1990 - 92 in the UK culminating in Summerslam at Wembley?
@Bill Bird No because I'm talking about credibility being lost for adults, that was more of a kids product, although as a massive wrestling fan all my life I loved it too !
@@metallicbigtoe3949 You'd have to go back before the Crabtree's for credibility. Maybe the Billy Robinson/Wigan snakepit era - where most of the guys were legit.
@Bill Bird Fair point, Shirley was the death nail through, it's funny because my Grandfather believed in him with all his heart lol, he loved the guy 😂
@@metallicbigtoe3949 I think Max might have been the bigger problem. Imagine if British wrestling had rebooted in the 80's with Dynamite, Davey Boy, Chris Adams, Rocco, Finlay, Regal, Brookside and the likes on top.
Sgt Slaughter: a huge draw, former World Champion, mainstream name due to his affiliation with Hasbro, great worker. How is he not in?
He didn't do flips or dives.
Huge draw? Very early on he drew but after the early 80s he drew shit
@@kevindouglas5333 wrong. He drew into the early 90s
@@kevindouglas5333 Even putting aside how long he drew or didn't draw...you're saying what amounts to "he didn't draw except when he drew in his prime " so who cares?
He drew the most disappointing Wrestlemania house of all-time, his title reign was a massive disappointment, and calling him a “great” worker is a massive overstatement. Someone like Naito was a way bigger draw than Sarge.
The original Assassins, Ole & Gene Anderson are NOT in the WON HOF??? Ole & Gene were the FIRST team I thought of for my Facebook tagteam inductees.
if you werent in the south in the 80s, you wouldnt know who they were.
Can't pretend I care about any of the names they're talking about
Yeah, let's all stick with redneck hick rasslin from 40 years ago like Cornette. Thats all that matters.
Another Mildred Burke reference hahaha awesome
So Kota Ibushi gets in the hall of fame but NOT HOOK?
Comparison is stupid. One is a legit kickboxer who's mostly known for doing some of the most athletic matches ever, the other is mostly known for putting his hands in his pockets.
Who have maximum impact to the industry? Dixie Carter!
I still don’t understand why anyone gives the observer hall of fame any validity
To his credit Naito is excellent. Still one of the best in the world..
He's got that Tana level slowdown these days though sadly. Still top charisma though.
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Who?
@@Based_Proletariat Trash.
@@sacredsteeler a guy who could make Will Ospreay wrestle in a good match
Jim: "Why isn't Edge in there?"
Jim five seconds later: "Active wrestlers shouldn't be in there."
The complaints y’all have with the wrestling hall of fame is the same I have with the Rock ‘n Roll HOF
Hell yeah, Bull Curry belongs in the HOF. Or at least his eyebrows do.
Creed Impersonator of The Year: Chris Jericho
The Wrestler Observer HOF sounds like an even bigger joke as a HOF as the WWE's judging from some of the omissions mentioned.