Jam Master Jay’s alleged killers face trial; Murdaugh’s conviction upheld - TCD Sidebar
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- In this episode of True Crime Daily The Sidebar Podcast: GiGi McKelvey joins host Joshua Ritter to break down the biggest cases making headlines across the nation. They discuss a judge denying Alex Murdaugh’s request for a new trial amid allegations of jury tampering, the men charged with the shooting death of Run DMC’s Jam Master Jay, and Jennifer Crumbley’s trial for allegedly failing to intervene in the actions of her school shooter son.
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You can argue whether all partcipants acted correctly, but you can't argue the overwhelming evidence against Murdaugh.
True. And i do not know if i agree when Josh says that it does not matter if he will be in jail for other crimes. A lot of times murderers are not prosecuted for all the crimes they perpetrate because they have been given a life tariff, how is this different? The judge thinks he would have been convicted anyway regardless of this one jury and he will be in jail for other crimes, someone needs to draw the line somewhere.
Murtaugh may be a scumbag, but if this juror really said these things, this verdict needs to be overturned!!!
Whay about perjury? This juror Z gave at least 3 different statements. One at verdict, one at affidavit and one at this hearing. Neither two were the same statements and Dick Harpootlian wanted juror Z to read the affidavit again to recollect their memory, but the judge drew the line. I mean, if you lie, at least be consistent. But isn't there a law you shouldn't lie under oath? Anyways, if juror Z was ever intimidated, I think that became later, not at the verdict time. They could be threatened in some way to get the new trial for that killer and this is the easiest way to get the juror into this mess. People forget that the simplest explanation is usually correct one.
I agree. This is terrible!
Something felt off about the first juror on day 2. Her statement evolved from her original affidavit to sound more damning. So even the affidavit signed that morning had changed. Then it changed on the stand yet again. So I agree with the judge. Leaving, talking to your lawyer having the ability to go back and watch the stream and questions after you left becomes a bit much to want to add a 4th clarifying statement. At some point the judge has to draw the line. There was also something off about the alternate juror. Her story was so wildly different than all the other stories. If what she said was true, then all the rest are lying through their teeth. I don’t think B. Hill is trustworthy but I’m not able to accept all those others lying so egregiously.
A famous person once said.. the love of money is the root of all evil 😢
What “slippery slope” are we talking about here? Those parents are in court not because they are shitty parents that did not got their son the help that could have avoided a murder spree, they are in court because they gave as a Christmas present a gun to a child they knew it was deeply disturbed.How the hell are they not responsible? No matter what side you are on on the guns issue, only someone criminally negligent would allow their children unlimited access to a gun. No safe, nothing. I’m with the guest, I never heard of anyone normal that owns guns that would do this with kids in the house. So clearly this is far from a “slippery slope” this is really a special case.
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Say a juror thought Becky had already decided Alex was guilty, why would that influence the juror when she promised to listen to the evidence and decid for herself? Becky wasn't anyone special to them so I don't see how it would sway them. They all sat through many weeks of evidence and I can't believe they would have been dying to share their two cents.
Also, why would the book sell better if Alex was found guilty? I think it would have done better for book sales if he was found innocent.
Well the juror admitted it influenced her 😊
The Juror may have thought, hey BH works for the court. Because of BH's job position she may have some kind of inside knowledge regarding the case. She could have overheard convos or saw paperwork regarding details of the case. Then wether intentionally or not, BH said things to jurors &/or behaved in front of jurors in a way that could have possibly influenced their decision. In this case one juror admitted that she was influenced by BH's statements. Two things can be true. Juror Z could have been influenced by both BH & the jury.
Hello Joshua and Gigi - great podcast episode today. As a person that grew up on 80’s and 90’s music, I never thought Jam Master Jay’s killer would be caught. I’m happy his family is having their day in court. The Crumbley case defense attorney is definitely giving her client a jealous defense. I will give her that. I’m sure the Attorney is phenomenal on paperwork! Trial work, in my Property Manager opinion, may not be her best work. Gigi, I loved the conversation with you and the COE on STS last week, I’ve caught your most recent visit with Joel as well. Joshua - I will be watching you tonight on STS at 7:00pm. Have a wonderful week!
Thanks for sharing your insight as always, Pamela! Have a great rest of your week!
Thanks again for giving me a lot to think about! I always watch (listen, really) to these at least twice so I can really let it all sink in. Love your delivery, Joshua. I haven't found any other podcasts that can compare to yours!
Joe Mucullough sending in another request for jury Z was just desperation and the jurors testimony was inconsistent. Now they are going to take a 3rd bite to fit their narrative ? Lol
I love to hear Gigi. Her takes are so great. Thanks for this episode!
Love Gigi❤!!!!!! So happy he had her in today!!!
It was great having GiGi as a guest again! Thank YOU for watching!
Great content again Joshua, thanks from the UK.
Thanks so much for tuning in! Have a great week.
Yay Tuesday with Joshua! 💕
Love GiGi! Her channel is great.
I'm so glad we were able to have GiGi on again! Thanks for watching, Marissa.
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I don't know how l feel about the Murdaugh case, he can get a new trial but it's not fair for the victims to have to go through all the trauma again and again he doesn't deserve a new trial he needs to serve his time and just let the victims heal, he can't bring his wife and child back can he
Same thoughts. He does not deserve another trial and even if he would, he would still be convicted considering all the evidence are pointing to him.
So you'd be fine if this happened in a case against you? It's not about Murdaugh it's about the process being fair!
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It's good to hear Jam Master Jays killers could be brought to justice . He was a hero role model and inspiration to me growing up in Northern England and having a lifelong love for Hip Hop music from first hearing in my early teens
Curious. Is it now acceptable for a person on the stand, under oath, questioned by the judge, to lie? BH blatantly lied and the judge even as much said that! So, what are the repercussions for perjury now?
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Murdaugh is the only person who saw any benefit from a juror saying they were influenced immediately. It was not beneficial to truth or to justice at such an inopportune time for the process itself. He tried to manipulate the system into giving him a new trial and the courts were experienced enough to see what he was doing.
I was surprised ya'll skipped over the fact that Juror Z gave one story in her affidavit, another in her first testimony, and then another when she was brought back in to clarify. Her testimony can't be trusted. That you two pretended none of that happened is very disappointing.
And, it's quite possible that the other jurors were intimidated and wanted not to be there and felt the way the questions were presented, makes me wonder. I believe AM deserves a new trial, this is all about the integrity of process of the system.
They should have received a life sentence for jmj twenty years is not enough
Judge punted it to the appellate court
Didn't juror Z admit that it was actually the other jurors during deliberations that ultimately was the catalyst for her guilty verdict?
Any Jury member is to Listen to the evidence which all the others appear to have done- I’m not saying this juror is gaining anything but it seems odd and we know “the good old boys club pull strings” would love to see any correspondence between the defence and them.
Let’s be honest I wonder how many jurors in any trial particularly big ones like this are able nowadays with papers/news/ web etc and trials being broadcast to not be aware of what’s going on. I bet they read the comments on trial threads no difference to those swaying their opinion - if that was really the case.
I truly believe he thought he would get off somehow- I always wonder if it’s why he didn’t contest the financial side and the sentence ( obviously so much evidence and I’m sure he didn’t want to hear how he had screwed up so many people) but if he could overturn this it wouldn’t be life sentence just the finance.
I don’t trust any of his counsel at all.
crumbley’s world was crumbling around her ears
prior to this.
now…
she’s in a right pickle.!
i know what i’d like to hear as a verdict.
whether it happens…
fingers crossed.
one lives in hope.!
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Is the denial of a new trial the same as upholding his conviction? I'm not a lawyer, so this is my layman's interpretation. I would have thought the basis for wanting a new trial was based on procedural impropriety, whereas upholding his conviction would be a reflection on the merits. Am I wrong? Please help, lawyers.
Testimony in the Michigan trial was completed on Friday… case went to jury Monday morning. Not to mention you are taking a lot of things out of context in regards to what actually happened. Do yourselves a favor and watch EC’s Miller Hearing - he outright admits he didn’t tell his parents anything.
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Honestly, with the Crumbley case, it’s known that parents can and usually will be criminally liable for their children’s actions until they are over the age of 18. That alone makes them open to being charged. In my opinion, it’s weird that we aren’t charging more parents like this. More and more we’re seeing young kids making very adult decisions and the parents are so unconcerned or completely unaware. Maybe beginning to hold them accountable for their children will start to make for more responsible parents who actually take the time to check in with their kids instead of making it the school’s problem.
If that one juror was influenced by the court clerk , who would have no more knowledge of whether the defendent is guilty than the juror herself or anyone else who heard all the evidence that was presented in court, then she needs to get a backbone.
Juror Z's credibility is no better than Miss Becky's. Juror Z never would have said anything if Poot and Team didn't show up on her door step...so did Poot influence her decision to say what she said and is that why she felt nervous on the stand?! 🤔
Super sad.. who new Jam would b involved in selling drugs..#thespoilsofwar .. #dobetterblackppl
The judge left it to the appellate court. She was only acting in Judge Newman’s place and the attorney general used judge Toal to hush the media in the meantime…
Her background looks weird...
The thing with the thing in trial is that if jury influenced, what if he didn't do it and they never find the one who did.
someone check juror z's bank accounts.
I have trouble that the mother is going to jail for a crime her son committed when he has been imprisoned for life. He needs care and help. Throwing him behind bars for the rest of his life when the prosecution is saying that the parents should have got him help then he wouldn't have done it. Why isn't he put into a medical institution at least and it be determined after x amount of years and if it is deemed, he is still a danger then he stays there for life?
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Grrrr. Justice ? Wich one ? For the poor or good old boys ??? Can't believe you defend the défense.... Didnt like the side bar much,now I don't a tall.
So you'd be fine if this happened in a case against you? It's not about Murdaugh it's about the process being fair! The fact that this happened is a big problem!
@@S-T-E-V-E i'm not a murderer so it could not happen to me, thanks a lot.
@@user-ix1fu3bi2f But if the Clerk of court thinks you are then you're happy to accept your fate right?
@@S-T-E-V-E don't even want to argue. If it pleases you,you are right. Bye
It is the absurdity of this adversarial judicial system: the goal is not to find the truth, the goal is to prevail regardless. There is also disregards for the cost to the society. Jurors are not god, the judges can be more decision makers
Yes, Ethan got that gun without permission or knowledge from his Mother, but if it would of been locked away properly nothing would of happened.
I don't think you can blame the parents for the child's actions... So what if a child stole a car & hit & killed people it's the parents fault? Guilty of neglect yes but he did what he did.
Im lost
Has the question been asked. Who's idea was it to get the gun? Did Ethan ask for it as his most wanted birthday gift? No guessing needed if son was put on stand, just like boy in the box.
Yes, totally agree with both of you re: a.murdaugh case. I have even less faith now in the judicial system.
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Reply!! Love me some Gigi!!!
Always a great discussion with GiGi! Glad you enjoyed the episode.
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Remember, if this can happen to murdaugh it can happen to you or someone you love.
It’s a shame he didn’t get a new trial! We are all next
I don't agree, I've always thought he was clearly guilty but we have a process that's suppose to go unimpeded. The trial should be thrown out.
Is he guilty? Probably yes. Does he deserve a new trial at least? Definitely YES
Nahhh no need to find him guilty again . . He knows already .. Maggie and Paul don't get a second chance ..