For anyone wondering how this turned out -- that phone call was from one of the other doctors pretending to be the CDC. The shot worked, the kid recovered, and then the mother got the REAL call from the CDC and somewhat berated House & co for the fakery but was ultimately happy that they saved her son.
@@LeeKeels If it has to go this far, then so be it. An old friend he lost contact over time, but they both haven't forgotten each other and Greg would owe them. I would use this circumstance for the old friend to come later as someone who knew him before he started working at PPT Hospital.
But for this she just didn't want anything else happening to her child like if he had put in the other thing then he could have been poisoned even more atleast now they actually know what the issue is in the drama
I know there are. But this lady literally just didnt want her son to get a deadly treatement for a pesticide she knows he didn't use. I dont think that was about control, i think she actually wanted her son to not...kick off.
@@sarahbrightmore3749 yes but that's the thing, what are they protecting them from? Parents are not doctors, they have zero understanding on the ins and outs of even properly disposing the needle, let alone using one. So who are they protecting when they argue back and forth with the doctor, who is in a race against the very thing that is potentially killing that child. The more time they argue, the more time the disease or condition advances, At some point, some of these things are TERMINAL. and then its too late to even attempt to do anything. The thing that they are trying to protect their children from, are the very things they can do NOTHING about. They are absolutely powerless against it. So they are attempting to get some control back by dictating what THE TRAINED EDUCATED PROFESSIONALS do. Well the trained educated professionals have signs of particular chemicals or can identity the virus, and you're trying to argue about is that you don't believe their evidence that it is the chemical or disease? When you can't do that yourself? What? do you have time to run towards another person? another hospital? who has to do the very same thing? and then by that time your child is dead?
Yes, 12 minutes in and House was usually looking to cut open the patient's brain, especially during sweeps weeks. All advice should be rejected until the very end of the show.
@@sdaniels7114 And then it turns out there will be a part 2, or you are the poor sod who has to die to make drama or show how unhinged House is due to his consume/non-consume of Painmeds.
@Baronarx V And if you ask people if they think they're better than average, 80% will tell you that they are. Being old or aware that people are fallible doesn't make you infallible.
@@vulcanhumor it was not about the “Female” doc getting less respect, but your own personal incompetence always leads you to the gender. It was about that doctor being a female who could understand what a mother, who is also a female, would feel.
@@RR9sf talk about being ignorant and yet boast full😂 What vulcanhumor said is a fact and a valid perspective and reception of that scene but no, You had to call someone incompetent to feel superior before presenting another opinion.
@@RR9sf yes, it was the female doc getting less respect. Her gender doesn’t matter in the discussion. Literally every other doctor tried, they only sent her cuz she was the last one who hadn’t, and the MOTHER assumed some sexist motive and discredited her. “Personal incompetence”, not sure what you mean by this, but incompetence can be frequently a male thing (I mean, our society is patriarchal, and look how much it sucks lol). It’s not just a female thing.
As a person who does customer service, it's very hard to not give up on stupid people like this. It's incredibly hard. It's like trying to save a person from drowning who's also trying to drown you. =(
@@heartysteer8752 She's not a Doctor. And no profession is done perfectly. She brough him there to get help and they are doing their best to provide that help. She was right about the the first bit...Good job. She saved her son and gave him a BIT more time. But if she wants him to leave the hospital alive then she needs to let them take the information they gathered from the first flub and use it to save his life. Or she can continue to waste resources while putting her son through a slow death.
@@heartysteer8752 Her being right was sheer dumb luck. She was wrong the second time for the exact same reason she lucked out being right the first time. She's still stupid
@@fawn4271 in the real world doctors misdiagnose/mistreat patients all the time too, it's not like the medical dramas. You have to advocate for yourself a lot of the time if you want proper care
@@JamesJoyce12 Any theory or hypothesis is always "best guess". Guessing is what doctors do, very rarely do people have symptoms that 100% line up with a single diagnosis and nothing else at least not the first few times they see a doctor...
@@ssu7653 dude - you are recycling arguments that have been laughed at for centuries - making an informed probabilistic assessment is not a guess - here is a true - guess - guess how many fingers I am holding up which one in particular - now that is a "guess" - although in ur case you may have encountered it before so it becomes a probabilistic assessment.
@@JamesJoyce12 Unless you know for sure, its a guess. When you think something is true but have yet to find and proof, its a guess. If there was 0 guessing involved, everyone with (or without) medial training would be able to diganose any and all disease with 100% accuracy. Its not as simple as plugging X number of symptoms into a calculator and getting the answer...
@@ssu7653 DDXing is not that common in the real world. And there’s definitely no hospital that has an entire team of people whose jobs are just compiling theories to make a diagnosis. Doctors look at the presented symptoms and can usually know which series of tests can identify or rule out. Sometimes they consult colleagues within or outside their hospital system to get an objective opinion, but that’s usually uncommon. In the real world if people got the diseases that these people on House presented with, they’d be found right away, clear themselves on their own without extensive hospitalization, or die before a diagnosis can be made.
Everything can kill you. It doesn’t stop us from breathing. The more you refuse doctors out of parental stubbornness the longer your kid suffers and dies. It doesn’t matter who is right or wrong, all that matters is time is always running out
Well I get you’re trying to make some poetic thing but it absolutely does matter who is right or wrong. That literally can define whether the child lives or dies
@@angelarias3395 Angel Arias. C'Mon now. LIFE ITSELF is NEVER defined in Black or White. It is ALWAYS 50 shades of gray (no pun intended). A parent making such a decision vs a doctor giving best options that MAY or MAY NOT save a life. Who TF really knows but GOD HIMSELF?! She was a stubborn Mom. And these Docs gave their best options. Either way flip a coin the kid coulda croaked. The moral is Doctors have the knowledge and the mother has her instincts and gut. At the end of the day she succumbed and explored every option before deciding and her giving in to Doctors saved the boys life. And this is based on Pulp Fiction. Imagine REAL LIFE! That's the lesson Here.
I'm a doctor. There are some times when a parent knows more about their child than a doctor does, but this almost always only applies to kids with chronic disease, not an undiagnosed ailment. For example I have a patient with a certain genetic syndrome and the mom has done all kinds of research on it for YEARS. She knows more about that particular condition than I do. That being said, if her son got a different ailment that does not pertain to his genetic syndrome, she would be lost and have no idea how to proceed.
I wish people would understand the difference between observing their child and knowing them. Parents are around their children, more than most people. That doesn't mean they know them the most, nor does it mean they know what to do. All they can and should do, for doctors, is to provide observations and the doctor makes the best medical recommendation that should be followed.
I just want to say I can tell you’re an amazing doctor. You have no obligation to show such humility, but it’s very admirable that you can be so honest about your work and experience to help the rest of us understand. Thank you!
Disrespectful in what way? Besides: if Dr. Charles had not asked him "you are not the father, are you?", would he even have admitted what was wrong? 2 People almost died because of this irresponsible "doctor" and you care about "disrespectful"? Wow...
“You’re just as pompous and superior as he is!” Hello pot, have you met kettle? This episode holds a special place for me. As a paramedic I’ve had to deal with my fair share of know-it-all moms (and yes, even a few dads). Either way, they’re incredibly infuriating.
The sad reality it isn't about her son, its her own pride. Some parents see their kids as an extension of themselves, if they fail or succeed it reflects on them. She'd rather she her son die and blame the doctors than believe anything negative because it'll make her look bad.
My mother told my doctor to increase my Lithium prescription from 500mg when I was 13 and 90lbs. The doctor told her if it’s not working then maybe he’s not mentally ill. He refused to increase the dosage and she changed doctors. If it killed me it was doctor’s fault if it didn’t she was a concerned mother. Narcissists are insane
Every episode of this show was how House was certain it was X disease, only to discover he was wrong when it almost killed the patient. He is then convinced it is Y disease, and once again discovers he is wrong when he almost kills the patient. Then finally he realizes it is Z disease and he saves the patient and the day.
@@wickedalpaca2343 My GP is just a regular guy, not some superstar diagnostician yet he's 10 out of 10 in figuring out what's wrong with me on the first try.
@@sdaniels7114 Because 10 out of 10 times, you're sick with a regular run of the mill illness. With House, people seek him out personally for a diagnosis because their condition is unusual. That's why he hates clinic duty so much; they're almost always regular run of the mill illnesses any GP can figure out first try.
for any parents out there who really "think" that they knew everything about their children's illness and want to treat their children like they want to, DON'T DO IT. even if you know the history, sometimes it wont be cured from the same procedure like you know it
My parents don't know anything about what I did as a teen. They liked to think I'm a good boy, I was nice and respectful, but some of the things I got up to, if they found out, they'd be embarrassed.
Tell me you’re a Gen Xer without telling me, you were Gen Xer. We all have the same story. Our parents didn’t know because they didn’t care unless we hurt ourselves or failed a test.
“You’re wrong” says the woman without a medical degree, talking to someone, with a medical degree Edit: i don’t even remember writing this, thanks for the 2.8 thousand likes though. The most i’ve ever had on a comment, gahdamn
This is a behind stupid statement. I walked into a hospital and told them i had spinal meningitis. They didn't believe me. After all, I'm not a doctor and don't have even a bachelor's....14hrs later i was admitted to the hospital with meningitis and it had spread to encephalitis by that time. Multiple times I've taken a child into the doctor, they said he was fine. I said he had an ear infection or strep. I was right EVERY TIME. A dr. Might have more experience dealing with illness on a whole but they don't know my body or my child's body like i do
Well that’s true but I’m in a registered nurse for 34 years and even with lab test and physical exam people can’t get this through their head medical people are only medical people they have medical training they know most of the signs and symptoms we can interpret the labs but the only one that knows surely was going on with you regarding course so what they’re expecting from the medical community cannot be delivered..
The woman brings her son into a hospital, were you have to know medicine to be able to work there, and then doesn't trust the medical knowledge of any of the employees about their own jobs...
@@slewone4905 you have to admit this mother is hateable yet they give her the w anyways validating her bullshit belief. this is a show, if you ignore a doctor in real life youre going to die.
I am a nurse and I deal with moms like this often. They bring there child to urgent care clinic, be seen by Dr, to only have a Dr Google mom tells us, “no your not right” Ma’am, your child tested positive for strep”🙃
Sure. She has the right to kill her kid and spend the rest of her life regretting it. The disclaimer for is the best weapon. 'sign here to say you don't get to blame us when your kid dies. Cool. Door is over there. Bye.' @@slewone4905
@@slewone4905 Sure, and as soon as the kid dies, she'll do a complete 180, blame the doctors and wail to anyone who'll listen that they did nothing and she's the victim here.
The best line house has ever said that i believe to this day is that "all patients lie" History taking is difficult when it comes to patients and their relatives, some forget when their symptoms started, the elderly forget their past medical histories and the meds they are taking, the parents can't answer for their children, and the teens and young adults lie a lot.
As if doctors today listen to their patients. They don’t even read their patients’ charts, nor review other doctor’s’ diagnoses and treatments. They barely glance at information.
@@ERAforALL maybe not where you come from. most not advanced places rely on history taking and physical exam to carry diagnosis, the labs and other procedures come after.
@@jiraniku6550 I live in a major city, and have witnessed it there repeatedly. I’ve also seen family members receive contradictory treatments in other cities, because doctors are so obsessive about avoiding other doctors’ work that they won’t read each other’s charts.
@@ERAforALL i live in a 3rd world country, here we don't have records we could request easily from other hospitals. we still use paper. so our best way is to still rely on history and physical exam.
I love how cuddy isn’t on houses side because the mom disagrees with him. A non doctor mom disagrees with one of your best doctors and you choose the moms side😂
@@ravenclaw987 consent to surgery, or an experimental medical trial, sure. Consent to basic medication which, if incorrect, can still be mitigated in a reliable way while also giving additional information to detect the ailment, and if correct, heal the patient, not really. Lawfully yes, but when you stop any and all trials just because you think based on your non-academic knowledge that the doctors are wrong, you are the one who needs to rethink their decisions.
Mom: What makes you think you're right this time? House: Same reason as last time. This has so much depth to it and the writers casually slipped it in there.
For longest time I thought doctors should just know how to cure any illness not until much later did I realize it's much more complicated and many things share same symptoms Doctors job is really hard and ya sometimes they get it wrong but they get things right more often.
The fact that people don't want to face when talking about doctors, airline pilots, etc is that they really are human. Not Superman, gods or what ever else, just human, and like everyone else, despite years of education and experience, can also make mistakes.
Yup. Someone comes in with a cough and fever, it could literally be anything from a common cold to flippin' Ebola. Until they run the tests, and they will do so multiple times to be sure, they simply don't know.
My son became ill. Kidney failure and possibly appendicitis. They were certain he'd smoked synthetic cannabis(legal at the time for 18+)he was 14. made us leave so they could ask him, he denied it still. Turned out to be an infection but due to his age - days away from being legally able to make his own medical decisions- they treated him as an adult for consent purposes, but admitted him to the children's ward after he got out of ICU because then he could have a parent stay with him. They may have been wrong on the original diagnosis, assuming it was drug related, but they did get the rest right.
@@suzannekirkwood6392 yeah. At the end of the day they see more of the former these days than the latter, which complicates diagnosising anything correctly.
"You're just as pompous and superior as he is!" Well, yeah. When it comes to issues of medicine, both he and House are her superior by a wide margin. So they have a right to act superior when it comes to medical knowledge.
I don't know how the CDC works but I would assume that they have A LOT of things better to do than answer a random question of a "worried mom". So I would think an answer would need weeks - if it happens anyway.
Well, the CDC budget after the pandemic rose to 8.7 millions which sounds like a lot...until you find that they receive around three thousands requests monthly, many of those related to probable infectous deseases, dangerous ones, so, yes, I think that a issue which only Is afecting two kids with no signals of beong contagious wouldnt recieve a quick answer.
@@cesaravegah3787 I imagine they get a lot of false alarms. I am fairly certain that a *doctor* is meant to call in the CDC on cases, not just anyone with a telephone. One guy on youtube thought he had a "rare" parasite. What he had was a regular botfly, lol. He was insulted when the CDC said they weren't interested. And in the other hand, the CDC was on site two days after a guy was hospitalized and began showing signs of "flesh-eating" bacteria. The CDC really wants to know about such cases. The docs thought at one point they were going to have to amputate this guy's arm to save his life. Turned out the runaway infection spreading throughout his body was strep - it had just gotten under the faschia and spread like crazy. And could have killed him. He "only" lost a finger due to blood flow being cut off from swelling.
The CDC gets a lot of weird requests. In a country with milliona of people each with their own fears, idiosyncracies etc, you just know a good thousand people call the CDC for silly requests that cases like in this clip is often treated as unimportant
House saw her such , he told her so when she asked why he hired her in the beginning. He was a dick about it ofcourse but if you read between the lines he respected her for not using her looks to get where she was even though he told her she easily could have.
it must be hard to be pretty. i mean imagine statisically doing better in life in every way. i cant even imagine how difficult it is. no really i cant.
I like how these medical programmes always show lay people right inside the parts of hospitals where no-one but medical staff are ever allowed, arguing with said medical staff in a way that simply cannot happen in real life.
I had arguments like that with doctors and nurses over one the care of one my parents, so it does happen. This clip didn't show the woman anywhere non-medical visitors wouldn't be allowed.
On every serious health issue my children have ever had we were met with dismissal and everything I said was ignored. When further testing or therapy was done I was proved correct each time. They need to do better because a mother's instincts can be an asset.
My brother would be dead right now if my mother had blindy listened to doctors. Luckily, we had a kind, accommadating doctor that performed an extra test to put her mind at ease. That test caught a recurrence of cancer BEFORE it shoed itself on a CT scan, which saved his life. That was 25 years ago, and my brother is still alive because of it.
The arrogance of second guessing doctors who've studied for years, and then to think the CDC has time, or the will, to give you a private consult. AMAZING!
In the end she choose to be a mom over her pride At least that’s a nice outcome of her behavior Some people would choose pride not knowing it will destroy their son
The people in the comments obviously didn't watch the episode. They treated her son badly earlier in the episode because they refused to listen to her even though she was right about the diagnostic being wrong. Her son almost died. This time she was worried and clearly grateful in the end when the treatment worked.
Am I the only one who doesn't think the mother was THAT unreasonable? Sure she's not a doctor, but House and his team do play fast and loose with the rules, which exist for a reason, and they have the dangerous habit of jumping into treatments before confirming diagnosis. Like Cuddy said, she doesn't agree with House's approach so they belittle her.
@@Dem0nD0ll well the agreement is with the analysis given for fictional characters not real medical practitioners and @Sofia was right they were about to give the kid medicine that would have killed him because they didn't confirm their diagnosis first and as someone who is ignorant of medical procedures and entirely dependent on doctors judgement I really hope this kind of thing doesn't really happen
@@Dem0nD0ll ask a real doctor what would happen if they conducted themselves in such illegal ways as House. He’s interesting as a character, but If he were real, he would be rotting in jail.
I liked it how house didn' t try to give her more assurance like we found the chemical or this is the best medicine etc bcoz of his first impression... Instead he tried his way and forced her to accept it..
“ur just as pompous as he is” well… they did go through years of medical school and are quite literally the only people qualified to diagnose these things soooo
I hate when parents are like "i know my kid!" When the child is asked questions like 'did you use drugs?' well now the kid will definitely not tell the truth
I think people misunderstand what Medicine and being a Doctor is. You go to school to learn about the different ailments people get, but HOW people get them and HOW it effects them is always different. All a Doctor can do is "Best Guess" what fits the given symptoms and as always run tests. Tests are not perfect, as they are created by man and man is def less than perfect. Do they get it wrong, yup, but that is the nature of the practice. Every wrong diagnosis will eventually lead to the right one. People always give them such a hard time for not "figuring it out" earlier. These things take time, and a crucial symptom can take time to show. Kudos to them for keeping trucking forward. Tough job!
The actress playing the mother was in an a couple episodes of ER where she refused to see her teen son was drinking too much and actually gave him alcohol at times.
I love those wannabe doctors irl. It amuses me how someone can think they have better understanding of a topic than a person who spent 7-11 years of his life studying it and the rest of his lifetime practicing it.
Doctors aren’t perfect and they do make mistakes, particularly as they come to difficult diagnoses and treatments for such. Your point is stands, however.
I actually just watched this episode in its entirety. I kinda think she’s justified. She’s mad because no one explains anything to her and doesn’t take her seriously. Her son’s first doctor literally admits to doing drugs and then accuses him of cheating on a school project. In both cases if they had just believed her, they would have gotten to the solution faster because she was right. The kid didn’t do drugs and he didn’t cheat. House accused mom of trying to kill the boy point blank because he’s the biggest asshole in the world and Foreman basically said that parents aren’t reliable and don’t know anything. Cameron acted like an incompetent and was there to manipulate the mom “as a fellow woman.” Meanwhile every treatment that mom objected to seems to just make the kid worse. I would probably be losing faith in the doctors too. In this case they should have just explained the process to her (which Foreman and Chase are actually quite good at. It’s weird that their bedside manner evaporated in this episode). Just a “hey, our job is to figure out what it could be, narrow down to the most likely possibilities, and when that’s ruled out we go to the less likely. This drug treats X. If it works, he gets better. If it doesn’t work, we have ruled out one possibility. And please remember that we are 100% invested in your son. Please trusts us. You have 4 doctors that are excellent in their respective fields at one of the best hospitals in the country.”
Here's what I say to the helicopter moms or wannabe's: Did you go to medical school? Do you have a medical degree? Did you study medicine? Did you do a residency at a hospital? Did you do a rotation as an intern? Do you have a license to practice medicine? Do you have any surgical training? Then leave the practice of medicine to the professionals because I know what I'm doing and you know less than nothing.
What you shouldn't just defer to "medical professionals": Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, Thalidomide, early and aggressive use of ventilators on COVID patients because they blindly followed SARS protocols.
I watched House and Grey's Anatomy, of course I know better. And let's be real for a sec here. Doctors may in fact care about their patients. They also care about selling drugs, extending your stay so they can milk your insurance for as long as possible, appeasing the hospital administration so they can advance their careers, etc. So have they studied all the stuff you mentioned? Yes. Do they have your best interests at heart? Not always. Just remember, you're not the customer, you're the product. Your insurance company is the customer they have to appease..
Just because you're "qualified" doesn't necessarily mean you're right. You could, in fact, be completely and totally wrong. You might have gotten there by being knowledgeable and experienced, but that doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. "Logic can often be a way of being wrong with confidence" is a warning against just that kind of hubris. So is "A surprise is what happens when you misinterpret what was right in front of you all along." All it takes is one bit of information being misinterpreted or outright missing entirely to change the entire equation. Just because you're the "expert" doesn't prevent you from being an idiot. Nor are you perfect or God's gift to humanity. Get over yourself.
The key thing here is that House turned out to be wrong. If House was right it would have been a different story, but he wasn’t this ladies skepticism is fully justified now.
@@arivaldhagel2394 One of the problems I had when I watched it was that whenever he was wrong and suggested a treatment that would have killed the patient, _some_ plot device stopped him - and not always some other person disagreeing with and stopping him exactly _because_ it would be fatal. But when it was a non-fatal treatment, he pretty much always got his will. That's bad writing, plain and simple. It's false drama. The overall pattern was more or less always the same - he comes up with two or three false diagnoses and treatments, all too often practically torturing the patient, _sometimes_ gets stopped because the writers don't want to deal with him actually killing someone, and then comes up with the right diagnosis and treatment - and not even always by actually figuring it out, sometimes it's just another barely educated guess that turns out to be correct because reasons. Essentially, reality (of the show, i.e. the writer) _makes_ him correct because he's House. He's not correct for figuring it out, reality is written to make him correct.
Imagine thinking that you as a lay person can make decisions on what meds your child should be given. Ludicrous. How could she possibly know what is best for her son?
I really wish there was some kind of "if a Karen's idiocy is getting in the way of saving someone's life, you're legally allowed to slap them in the face and have security take them out" rule that could be set in every hospital... Believe me, that would save lives!
You watch too much TV. In real life, what happens most often is that a woman comes in with something serious, gets misdiagnosed, and dies. So your rule would result in more dead patients, not fewer.
and are you a medical professional like me. Cutty is right. This is what we were trained to do. Ethics says that we should not over ride the parents wishes. Granted this is a show, the parent was right about the first two times. She told them no, and it end up that the particular pesticide is not in her son's system. But I am looking at this and seeing people here are brainwashed by Covid propaganda, even when those who refuse to give it to their children is proven to be right at least for the males.
@@amancherry3998 she was, she constantly got in the way saying google is what she used to check her son's symptoms when his symptoms could have come from anything as most symptoms from over 70 percent of illnesses are the same
Tbh, she doesn't seem helicoptery to me. She asked a lot of valid questions. She refused the treatment because Chase said that if the treatment is wrong, the toxicity would increase. She even looked for a second opinion by reaching out to CDC because House was wrong the first time. Maybe she is crazier in the whole episode but here she just comes across as very worried mother who won't take a risky route unless there is a good explanation why she shouldn't worry or there is no other option left.
This is a classic example of ego taking control. This woman was so damned sure that she was right, that she almost caused her son's death. "Pride goeth before a fall."
Sometimes a mom's assessment of the situation really is better than the doctor's. When my 12 year old sister fell off her bike and broke her jaw (a condyle had broken off), the oral surgeon didn't think surgery could be successful, so he did nothing. The result would have been that my sister would have a crooked face for the rest of her life, only being able to chew on one side. To my mom, this was unacceptable. She got a second opinion from an oral surgeon at a better hospital, and he immediately scheduled surgery. He was able to reattach the condyle, and my sister fully recovered.
Here is the issue with this whole segment. Doctor's have no clue what you have based on symptom's. they have to go through a process of elimination because so many things have symptoms that are identical. This mom didnt make it easy on them because she gave them nothing to go off of and made it so they couldnt even try then thought that would help her and her son in the long run. Cancer especially in real life is one of the hardest to diagnose and easiest to check for but most people wont get checked for cancer ever under normal cercomstances because it isn't something that brought up and if it is, usually it is because nothing else fit the illness. Same with things like tumors, cyst and the like in various harder to get to places like overies and brain. Some illness can also have many systems but even doctors cant know where they stem from and it creates the issue of, "can we save the person, or will the clock run out on us." senario because a problem might not be able to be visualized and the symtoms are a fckn mess. Poisoning is one of the worst because depending on the amune system. You body is actively trying to keep you and alive while attacking the foreign agent and at first it usually would make any sicker because it tends to be a constant activation. Even back in the day when you had poisons that where used to kill people especially royalty and royalty would try to ingest more and more poison and let their body fight it and overtime over come it but doing it every so often. chemicals we have now can probably outright kill you or at least make your body slow to repair the damage you sustained to you cells,blood and tissue that we constantly damage be it on purpose or accident. This is usually what makes people need to fall into a deeper sleep than what our bodies usually need and sometimes the damage can be so bad that the brain shuts off in it panic it created.
“Then why did you test him” I swear chase would have made a better lawyer than a doctor.
Probably a failed career field so he went into the field of medicine instead. 😁
He's just becoming House
@@largol33t1 it’s harder to become a doctor than a lawyer.
Having common sense doesn't make you a lawyer or doctor. Her statement was most basic case of hipocracy
they should have called saul
For anyone wondering how this turned out -- that phone call was from one of the other doctors pretending to be the CDC. The shot worked, the kid recovered, and then the mother got the REAL call from the CDC and somewhat berated House & co for the fakery but was ultimately happy that they saved her son.
It was Dr. Chase who did it.
Thanks, I was going nuts not knowing the outcome 😁
If it was up to me as a writer, I would have Greg have an old friend in the CDC make the call as a favor.
@@darkmagician2521 Greg only has one friend, Wilson.
@@LeeKeels If it has to go this far, then so be it. An old friend he lost contact over time, but they both haven't forgotten each other and Greg would owe them. I would use this circumstance for the old friend to come later as someone who knew him before he started working at PPT Hospital.
There are actually parents who actually would rather have their kids die rather than admit to being wrong or giving up control.
@@sarahbrightmore3749 might not be the case for you but yes it definitely is quite true..
But for this she just didn't want anything else happening to her child like if he had put in the other thing then he could have been poisoned even more atleast now they actually know what the issue is in the drama
@@sarahbrightmore3749 okay but thats not what i said. i just said you might think its true, but it's still a reality for some unfortunately
I know there are. But this lady literally just didnt want her son to get a deadly treatement for a pesticide she knows he didn't use. I dont think that was about control, i think she actually wanted her son to not...kick off.
@@sarahbrightmore3749 yes but that's the thing, what are they protecting them from?
Parents are not doctors, they have zero understanding on the ins and outs of even properly disposing the needle, let alone using one.
So who are they protecting when they argue back and forth with the doctor, who is in a race against the very thing that is potentially killing that child. The more time they argue, the more time the disease or condition advances, At some point, some of these things are TERMINAL. and then its too late to even attempt to do anything.
The thing that they are trying to protect their children from, are the very things they can do NOTHING about. They are absolutely powerless against it. So they are attempting to get some control back by dictating what THE TRAINED EDUCATED PROFESSIONALS do. Well the trained educated professionals have signs of particular chemicals or can identity the virus, and you're trying to argue about is that you don't believe their evidence that it is the chemical or disease? When you can't do that yourself? What? do you have time to run towards another person? another hospital? who has to do the very same thing? and then by that time your child is dead?
I refuse any treatment House recommends until the last 10 minutes of the show. This is no helicopter mom, she’s just seen the first few episodes
Yes, 12 minutes in and House was usually looking to cut open the patient's brain, especially during sweeps weeks. All advice should be rejected until the very end of the show.
At least she also knows it can't be lupus
@@sdaniels7114 And then it turns out there will be a part 2, or you are the poor sod who has to die to make drama or show how unhinged House is due to his consume/non-consume of Painmeds.
Except for the part that she controls her son's life to the point of testing for drugs even when she "trusted him".
While we’re at it … How would House treat poor Hamilton Burger’s amnesia? He forgot that Perry Mason won EVERY SINGLE CASE. (Okay 99.9%.)
Yes a mom would know her child as a child, but 98% moms don’t know Jack about their teens…
Im 34. My mom knows far far more about me now in my 30s than she did when I was in high school...
@Baronarx V still doesn't mean you know exactly what your kid got up to
@Baronarx V And if you ask people if they think they're better than average, 80% will tell you that they are. Being old or aware that people are fallible doesn't make you infallible.
@Baronarx V You do know millennials are in their 30's and 40's for the most part, right? Seems you think they are the teens you're talking about.
@Baronarx V millennial ends about 96, starts around 82. Generation Z starts after that.
"actually they sent a doctor" I absolutely love that line
For real. It's so frustrating how many female doctors STILL struggle to get the respect they deserve.
@@vulcanhumor it was not about the “Female” doc getting less respect, but your own personal incompetence always leads you to the gender. It was about that doctor being a female who could understand what a mother, who is also a female, would feel.
@@RR9sf talk about being ignorant and yet boast full😂 What vulcanhumor said is a fact and a valid perspective and reception of that scene but no, You had to call someone incompetent to feel superior before presenting another opinion.
@@RR9sf shut up
@@RR9sf yes, it was the female doc getting less respect. Her gender doesn’t matter in the discussion. Literally every other doctor tried, they only sent her cuz she was the last one who hadn’t, and the MOTHER assumed some sexist motive and discredited her.
“Personal incompetence”, not sure what you mean by this, but incompetence can be frequently a male thing (I mean, our society is patriarchal, and look how much it sucks lol). It’s not just a female thing.
"I didn't want him to know about it because I do trust him". "Then why did you test him?"... LOL Epic line!!
Yep, she COMPLETELY contradicted herself. What do you think makes people like her?
As a person who does customer service, it's very hard to not give up on stupid people like this. It's incredibly hard. It's like trying to save a person from drowning who's also trying to drown you. =(
How do you say she is stupid if she was right and they were wrong the first time?
@@heartysteer8752 She's not a Doctor. And no profession is done perfectly. She brough him there to get help and they are doing their best to provide that help. She was right about the the first bit...Good job. She saved her son and gave him a BIT more time. But if she wants him to leave the hospital alive then she needs to let them take the information they gathered from the first flub and use it to save his life.
Or she can continue to waste resources while putting her son through a slow death.
@@heartysteer8752 you've heard about a broken clock right?
@@heartysteer8752 Her being right was sheer dumb luck. She was wrong the second time for the exact same reason she lucked out being right the first time. She's still stupid
It's very easy, it's called Darwinism. Law Enforcement can tell you about people like this who make dumb choices.
"I'm going to bring my kid to the hospital, but I'm not going to let them treat him." Brilliant strategy, mom.
One would ask "THEN WHY DID YOU BRING HIM HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!"
To be fair she was right that their ideas wouldn’t help. They were just guessing
@@DeathnoteBB thats only because she refused to let them do the proper test
@@DeathnoteBB She wouldn’t let them do the tests they needed to be certain. So they could only throw stuff at the wall and see what works.
@@DeathnoteBB That's how the job goes. Sometimes the horse is a zebra painted brown.
“I trust him.”
“Then why did you test him?”
🦗🦗🦗
I thought they were 3 cigars
Moms with their "always knowing the best" attitude...
She did know best with all but one of their diagnoses tho
@@Jitterbuck There’s a huge different between knowing best and being a complete and total b***h about it.
Are you for real? The doctors would have killed her son if it wasnt for her denying the obviously wrong treatement.
@@fawn4271 in the real world doctors misdiagnose/mistreat patients all the time too, it's not like the medical dramas. You have to advocate for yourself a lot of the time if you want proper care
Apparently you dont have children
At times all medicine is is "best guess" and House shows that perfectly.
actually that is exactly wrong - it is a consilience of inductions - guessing is for maroons
@@JamesJoyce12 Any theory or hypothesis is always "best guess".
Guessing is what doctors do, very rarely do people have symptoms that 100% line up with a single diagnosis and nothing else at least not the first few times they see a doctor...
@@ssu7653 dude - you are recycling arguments that have been laughed at for centuries - making an informed probabilistic assessment is not a guess - here is a true - guess - guess how many fingers I am holding up which one in particular - now that is a "guess" - although in ur case you may have encountered it before so it becomes a probabilistic assessment.
@@JamesJoyce12 Unless you know for sure, its a guess. When you think something is true but have yet to find and proof, its a guess.
If there was 0 guessing involved, everyone with (or without) medial training would be able to diganose any and all disease with 100% accuracy. Its not as simple as plugging X number of symptoms into a calculator and getting the answer...
@@ssu7653 DDXing is not that common in the real world. And there’s definitely no hospital that has an entire team of people whose jobs are just compiling theories to make a diagnosis. Doctors look at the presented symptoms and can usually know which series of tests can identify or rule out. Sometimes they consult colleagues within or outside their hospital system to get an objective opinion, but that’s usually uncommon. In the real world if people got the diseases that these people on House presented with, they’d be found right away, clear themselves on their own without extensive hospitalization, or die before a diagnosis can be made.
“You’re just as pompous and superior as him.” Pot meet kettle.
The indirect burn, poor Dr. Foreman.
And Foreman was so respectful. She just couldn't stand him not kissing her feet.
@@AmbulatoryFungusBecaus he was black.
House is so straightforward im 100% here for it. Cant say he throws shade because its so direct. Lol 😂
No shade. Just facts. 😂
Throwing direct shadows
Forreal he don't throw shade he changes the weather straight up lmao
Everything can kill you. It doesn’t stop us from breathing.
The more you refuse doctors out of parental stubbornness the longer your kid suffers and dies. It doesn’t matter who is right or wrong, all that matters is time is always running out
Time is always running out even when we are perfectly healthy. Each tick of the clock brings us closer to our own demise.
Well I get you’re trying to make some poetic thing but it absolutely does matter who is right or wrong. That literally can define whether the child lives or dies
@@angelarias3395 Angel Arias. C'Mon now. LIFE ITSELF is NEVER defined in Black or White. It is ALWAYS 50 shades of gray (no pun intended). A parent making such a decision vs a doctor giving best options that MAY or MAY NOT save a life. Who TF really knows but GOD HIMSELF?! She was a stubborn Mom. And these Docs gave their best options. Either way flip a coin the kid coulda croaked. The moral is Doctors have the knowledge and the mother has her instincts and gut. At the end of the day she succumbed and explored every option before deciding and her giving in to Doctors saved the boys life. And this is based on Pulp Fiction. Imagine REAL LIFE! That's the lesson Here.
The doctors was wrong initially.
@@BarManE.C You don't know what pulp fiction is, and yet, you decided to use the words anyway. You truly are a hero amongst men.
Man, what a great actress of portraying a mom who won't admit she's wrong even if it means her son is dying
She played the role a little too well...
Actress
@@jamessnider641 you right mb
I went to the comments to say this! Man, she is fantastic. I got so much helicopter mom energy from her.
The whole Karen sprinkled in with internal misogyny. I hate her. That’s how you know she’s good at this.
I'm a doctor. There are some times when a parent knows more about their child than a doctor does, but this almost always only applies to kids with chronic disease, not an undiagnosed ailment. For example I have a patient with a certain genetic syndrome and the mom has done all kinds of research on it for YEARS. She knows more about that particular condition than I do. That being said, if her son got a different ailment that does not pertain to his genetic syndrome, she would be lost and have no idea how to proceed.
You may be one of the few drs that admit this. Drs are chronic know-it-alls
@@user92248 On medical issues they tend to be. They back off a bit with IT on computer matters - well, most of them do.
I wish people would understand the difference between observing their child and knowing them. Parents are around their children, more than most people. That doesn't mean they know them the most, nor does it mean they know what to do. All they can and should do, for doctors, is to provide observations and the doctor makes the best medical recommendation that should be followed.
Do Doctors go to the Doctor?
I just want to say I can tell you’re an amazing doctor. You have no obligation to show such humility, but it’s very admirable that you can be so honest about your work and experience to help the rest of us understand. Thank you!
I like how when house grabs the chair to “hang out” he just stares at her angrily and it looks like a parent scolding a child for their mistakes
Disrespectful in what way?
Besides: if Dr. Charles had not asked him "you are not the father, are you?", would he even have admitted what was wrong?
2 People almost died because of this irresponsible "doctor" and you care about "disrespectful"? Wow...
Stares at her angerly
That's just how he looks in a general sense
“You’re just as pompous and superior as he is!” Hello pot, have you met kettle?
This episode holds a special place for me. As a paramedic I’ve had to deal with my fair share of know-it-all moms (and yes, even a few dads). Either way, they’re incredibly infuriating.
The sad reality it isn't about her son, its her own pride. Some parents see their kids as an extension of themselves, if they fail or succeed it reflects on them. She'd rather she her son die and blame the doctors than believe anything negative because it'll make her look bad.
Narcissism
Makes it rather obvious why she's a single mother, doesn't it? Who could possibly stand being married to that?
And the irony of her drug testing her own son's hair from his hair brush while saying she trusts her son.
My mother told my doctor to increase my Lithium prescription from 500mg when I was 13 and 90lbs. The doctor told her if it’s not working then maybe he’s not mentally ill. He refused to increase the dosage and she changed doctors. If it killed me it was doctor’s fault if it didn’t she was a concerned mother. Narcissists are insane
"you're just as pompous and superior as he is"
"well I DID go to medical school, did you?"
This episode has a special place in my brain... A "they're the arrogant jerks that saved your life" special place. xD
Every episode of this show was how House was certain it was X disease, only to discover he was wrong when it almost killed the patient. He is then convinced it is Y disease, and once again discovers he is wrong when he almost kills the patient. Then finally he realizes it is Z disease and he saves the patient and the day.
omg just like real doctors do????
@@wickedalpaca2343 My GP is just a regular guy, not some superstar diagnostician yet he's 10 out of 10 in figuring out what's wrong with me on the first try.
Don’t forget right before he realizes it’s Z disease he has a random conversation about milk which gives him all the answers he needs.
Right? Just like real life.
@@sdaniels7114 Because 10 out of 10 times, you're sick with a regular run of the mill illness. With House, people seek him out personally for a diagnosis because their condition is unusual. That's why he hates clinic duty so much; they're almost always regular run of the mill illnesses any GP can figure out first try.
for any parents out there who really "think" that they knew everything about their children's illness and want to treat their children like they want to, DON'T DO IT. even if you know the history, sometimes it wont be cured from the same procedure like you know it
They got her hair style spot on along with the rest of the whole karen act....
It takes an amazing actor to make a hated character. The actress for Skylar White in Breaking Bad was so good, she even got death threats.
@@hellboy19991 Oh my God
@@hellboy19991 From idiotic fans who were enjoying the power fantasy a little too much and thought Skyler was the bad guy for telling what it was.
@@hellboy19991
Reminds me of Payal, a character from an Indian sitcom
The actress who played her was hated by everyone
My parents don't know anything about what I did as a teen. They liked to think I'm a good boy, I was nice and respectful, but some of the things I got up to, if they found out, they'd be embarrassed.
Lmao fr. For their sanity, it’s best they don’t know it.
They dont know, and they're still embarrassed.
My mother would be shocked if she knew the things I got up to as a teen
You should write a book 😂😂😂
Tell me you’re a Gen Xer without telling me, you were Gen Xer. We all have the same story. Our parents didn’t know because they didn’t care unless we hurt ourselves or failed a test.
“You’re wrong” says the woman without a medical degree, talking to someone, with a medical degree
Edit: i don’t even remember writing this, thanks for the 2.8 thousand likes though. The most i’ve ever had on a comment, gahdamn
She was in fact right 2 times in a row tho lol
@@bubblegumblue5304 Because she guessed and happened to be right, not because she KNOWS something the doctor doesn't.
@@bubblegumblue5304 because she's a TV character, in real life these people inject bleach to avoid covid vaccines.
As amazing as the internet is, it does not stack up to several years of education, residency, boards, ce and years of practice.
This is a behind stupid statement. I walked into a hospital and told them i had spinal meningitis. They didn't believe me. After all, I'm not a doctor and don't have even a bachelor's....14hrs later i was admitted to the hospital with meningitis and it had spread to encephalitis by that time.
Multiple times I've taken a child into the doctor, they said he was fine. I said he had an ear infection or strep. I was right EVERY TIME. A dr. Might have more experience dealing with illness on a whole but they don't know my body or my child's body like i do
I'm surprised they didn't have anyone say anything about how much less accurate home kits are than getting a real test at the doctors.
Well that’s true but I’m in a registered nurse for 34 years and even with lab test and physical exam people can’t get this through their head medical people are only medical people they have medical training they know most of the signs and symptoms we can interpret the labs but the only one that knows surely was going on with you regarding course so what they’re expecting from the medical community cannot be delivered..
The woman brings her son into a hospital, were you have to know medicine to be able to work there, and then doesn't trust the medical knowledge of any of the employees about their own jobs...
maga people
and the medical professional was wrong on the first two guesses.
IF the mother wasnt skeptical of the doctor, her kid might of died.
@@slewone4905 you have to admit this mother is hateable yet they give her the w anyways validating her bullshit belief. this is a show, if you ignore a doctor in real life youre going to die.
Did you even watch the episode?
4:00 why is houses voice SO satisfying? Like he should do asmr 💆♀️
"I didn't want him to know about it, because I do trust him." How is this trust?
I am a nurse and I deal with moms like this often. They bring there child to urgent care clinic, be seen by Dr, to only have a Dr Google mom tells us, “no your not right”
Ma’am, your child tested positive for strep”🙃
and you took the same ethics, and if the mother argues and dont want treatment, you have to respect her wish, unless there is a court order involved.
Sure. She has the right to kill her kid and spend the rest of her life regretting it.
The disclaimer for is the best weapon. 'sign here to say you don't get to blame us when your kid dies. Cool. Door is over there. Bye.'
@@slewone4905
@@slewone4905 Sure, and as soon as the kid dies, she'll do a complete 180, blame the doctors and wail to anyone who'll listen that they did nothing and she's the victim here.
7:32 giving the woman the empty cup is just brilliant.
Holy crap I never notice that
I dont get it, why did he do it?
@@justmeok2 probably just being an a-hole
@@justmeok2 symbolism for her giving him no medicine, doubles as him being a jerk with an act that has no actual value lmao
I thought it was symbolic of how she was “out of time” so to speak.
The best line house has ever said that i believe to this day is that "all patients lie"
History taking is difficult when it comes to patients and their relatives, some forget when their symptoms started, the elderly forget their past medical histories and the meds they are taking, the parents can't answer for their children, and the teens and young adults lie a lot.
Not everyone lies. I lay it all out there. And I do mean all.
As if doctors today listen to their patients. They don’t even read their patients’ charts, nor review other doctor’s’ diagnoses and treatments. They barely glance at information.
@@ERAforALL maybe not where you come from. most not advanced places rely on history taking and physical exam to carry diagnosis, the labs and other procedures come after.
@@jiraniku6550 I live in a major city, and have witnessed it there repeatedly. I’ve also seen family members receive contradictory treatments in other cities, because doctors are so obsessive about avoiding other doctors’ work that they won’t read each other’s charts.
@@ERAforALL i live in a 3rd world country, here we don't have records we could request easily from other hospitals. we still use paper. so our best way is to still rely on history and physical exam.
I love how cuddy isn’t on houses side because the mom disagrees with him. A non doctor mom disagrees with one of your best doctors and you choose the moms side😂
Well consent is the first thing they teach you in med school
Cuddy is always antihouse as part of the show.
@@ravenclaw987 consent to surgery, or an experimental medical trial, sure. Consent to basic medication which, if incorrect, can still be mitigated in a reliable way while also giving additional information to detect the ailment, and if correct, heal the patient, not really. Lawfully yes, but when you stop any and all trials just because you think based on your non-academic knowledge that the doctors are wrong, you are the one who needs to rethink their decisions.
This is why I still binge watch House.
"I know my kid" all parents say that and don't know the truth about what their kids actually do, what they feel and how they even see things in life
Mom: What makes you think you're right this time?
House: Same reason as last time.
This has so much depth to it and the writers casually slipped it in there.
Another reminder of why I’m glad I left teaching. There would be a few of HER every year
"Your just as pompous as he is" no they have a degree you don't and neither do most of the other patients
Not to mention the professional experience.
You do have to admit foreman was talking to her with smugness and superiority
@@moonscar119As if she deserves anything less. She’s the epitome of pompous.
Doesn't change she's right about the attitude
For longest time I thought doctors should just know how to cure any illness not until much later did I realize it's much more complicated and many things share same symptoms Doctors job is really hard and ya sometimes they get it wrong but they get things right more often.
The fact that people don't want to face when talking about doctors, airline pilots, etc is that they really are human. Not Superman, gods or what ever else, just human, and like everyone else, despite years of education and experience, can also make mistakes.
Yup. Someone comes in with a cough and fever, it could literally be anything from a common cold to flippin' Ebola. Until they run the tests, and they will do so multiple times to be sure, they simply don't know.
My son became ill. Kidney failure and possibly appendicitis. They were certain he'd smoked synthetic cannabis(legal at the time for 18+)he was 14. made us leave so they could ask him, he denied it still. Turned out to be an infection but due to his age - days away from being legally able to make his own medical decisions- they treated him as an adult for consent purposes, but admitted him to the children's ward after he got out of ICU because then he could have a parent stay with him. They may have been wrong on the original diagnosis, assuming it was drug related, but they did get the rest right.
@@suzannekirkwood6392 yeah. At the end of the day they see more of the former these days than the latter, which complicates diagnosising anything correctly.
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It’s sad I met a lot of people like this mom. It’s not weak to admit your wrong it’s actually mature and brave but most people wouldn’t know that
Sometimes it's not a matter of strength, it's a matter of pride.
@@joaovictorcustovick5764 and ego
"You're just as pompous and superior as he is!"
Well, yeah. When it comes to issues of medicine, both he and House are her superior by a wide margin. So they have a right to act superior when it comes to medical knowledge.
I don't know how the CDC works but I would assume that they have A LOT of things better to do than answer a random question of a "worried mom". So I would think an answer would need weeks - if it happens anyway.
Well, the CDC budget after the pandemic rose to 8.7 millions which sounds like a lot...until you find that they receive around three thousands requests monthly, many of those related to probable infectous deseases, dangerous ones, so, yes, I think that a issue which only Is afecting two kids with no signals of beong contagious wouldnt recieve a quick answer.
They should of said , Public health. But if it was government spraying pesticide, it would be of CDC interest.
@@cesaravegah3787 I imagine they get a lot of false alarms. I am fairly certain that a *doctor* is meant to call in the CDC on cases, not just anyone with a telephone. One guy on youtube thought he had a "rare" parasite. What he had was a regular botfly, lol. He was insulted when the CDC said they weren't interested. And in the other hand, the CDC was on site two days after a guy was hospitalized and began showing signs of "flesh-eating" bacteria. The CDC really wants to know about such cases. The docs thought at one point they were going to have to amputate this guy's arm to save his life. Turned out the runaway infection spreading throughout his body was strep - it had just gotten under the faschia and spread like crazy. And could have killed him. He "only" lost a finger due to blood flow being cut off from swelling.
The CDC gets a lot of weird requests. In a country with milliona of people each with their own fears, idiosyncracies etc, you just know a good thousand people call the CDC for silly requests that cases like in this clip is often treated as unimportant
If this kid somehow manage get smallpox they would the first ones there
I feel so bad for Cameron; everyone judges her for being pretty first, rather than seeing her as a competent individual like any other doctor :/
A common problem for female TV doctors, I'd guess, since only pretty actresses are ever hired. Can't have ugly or average-looking protagonists!
House saw her such , he told her so when she asked why he hired her in the beginning. He was a dick about it ofcourse but if you read between the lines he respected her for not using her looks to get where she was even though he told her she easily could have.
it must be hard to be pretty. i mean imagine statisically doing better in life in every way. i cant even imagine how difficult it is. no really i cant.
@@aliceslab Yeah, God forbid from such curse 🤣🤣
Also she was a terrible doctor, always let her emotions get in the way
All her role needed was the line "I did MY RESEARCH!"
The mom: who are you? *visibly confused*
Dr. House: I work for the hospital, I’m a doctor
😂
To anyone trying to figure out where they know the mother from, it's Brenda the Metallurgist from the film Highlander.
THAT’S where I know her from! Good call.
Roxanne Hart? I've been looking at her and trying to remember where I've seen her. Thanks very much.
Hasn't aged a day...
You caught THAT even with all the changes that time brings. Good job.
@@victorpradha9946 no one could forget Roxanne Hart ♥
I like how these medical programmes always show lay people right inside the parts of hospitals where no-one but medical staff are ever allowed, arguing with said medical staff in a way that simply cannot happen in real life.
For the sake of DARAMA!
I had arguments like that with doctors and nurses over one the care of one my parents, so it does happen. This clip didn't show the woman anywhere non-medical visitors wouldn't be allowed.
@@Ae13UPrime Fair enough. I don't really care all THAT much, anyway....
Yeah, you apparently don't live in the bible belt. Stupid religious types have arguments like this fairly often.
@@hugojames85 which way did he go George?
"risking his life based on a teenager's claim that he washed something" i'm dead
This lady is the reason so many easily treatable illnesses have spread through the world.
That and the idiots who still think that vaccines cause autism.
Does she remind you of your mother?
2:45 Rare accent slip by Hugh Laurie.
Its hilarious when parents think they are better doctors.
Why dont they become doctors instead?? Since they "know" everything
On every serious health issue my children have ever had we were met with dismissal and everything I said was ignored. When further testing or therapy was done I was proved correct each time. They need to do better because a mother's instincts can be an asset.
My brother would be dead right now if my mother had blindy listened to doctors. Luckily, we had a kind, accommadating doctor that performed an extra test to put her mind at ease. That test caught a recurrence of cancer BEFORE it shoed itself on a CT scan, which saved his life. That was 25 years ago, and my brother is still alive because of it.
... or at the pharmacy they demand (screaming sometimes) antibiotics for every menial sore throat or a minor cut on a finger.
@@albertocabezas282 And then they gripe and moan about how doctors are too happy to give antis and it's making sickness more resilient.🥴
They don't have to 'prove' how good they are, they're parents after all...according to the parental doctrines my own followed.💀
The arrogance of second guessing doctors who've studied for years, and then to think the CDC has time, or the will, to give you a private consult. AMAZING!
That poor kid is going to have his mother hovering over him all his life!
"Hey, I'm a man. I don't have time for laundry... I'm saving lives here!" Oh, Wilson. 😂
mom "what makes you think you're right this time"
house "because the writers of this show, always make me right about everything"
Im falling back into the rabbit hole of House clips
Yup.
3:17 the “goodbye” cracked me up…🤣🤣😁
I love the fact house read it to her lol
Lol insulting your kids doctor. Probably not what we would call a pro gamer move.
I watch this and it reminds me of how similar Cumberbatch's Dr Strange is to Dr House. Brilliance inspiring brilliance.
High Dancy’s Will Graham from NBC’s Hannibal too
I have watched this so many times... Love how she gets schooled!!
I know I haven’t seen the episode but based off of 4:21 I love how he immediately knew she was talking about house
In the end she choose to be a mom over her pride
At least that’s a nice outcome of her behavior
Some people would choose pride not knowing it will destroy their son
The people in the comments obviously didn't watch the episode. They treated her son badly earlier in the episode because they refused to listen to her even though she was right about the diagnostic being wrong. Her son almost died. This time she was worried and clearly grateful in the end when the treatment worked.
I just saw "Helicopter Mom" and "House" and knew this was going to be good.
Truly one of the best shows on television: ever. House is hilarious. _Matt might kickoff? That's a little blunt._
The fact that they were wrong and their incorrect actions almost ended her sons life was not a confidence booster.
9:31 Was his foot supposed to move here?
the fact that they "karen" ized the mother character is cool.
Am I the only one who doesn't think the mother was THAT unreasonable? Sure she's not a doctor, but House and his team do play fast and loose with the rules, which exist for a reason, and they have the dangerous habit of jumping into treatments before confirming diagnosis. Like Cuddy said, she doesn't agree with House's approach so they belittle her.
@@Dem0nD0ll well the agreement is with the analysis given for fictional characters not real medical practitioners and @Sofia was right they were about to give the kid medicine that would have killed him because they didn't confirm their diagnosis first and as someone who is ignorant of medical procedures and entirely dependent on doctors judgement I really hope this kind of thing doesn't really happen
@@Dem0nD0ll ask a real doctor what would happen if they conducted themselves in such illegal ways as House. He’s interesting as a character, but If he were real, he would be rotting in jail.
That's why it's a TV show
@@dego9246 No shite, Sherlock. I already knew that, considering my father was a doctor and my mother, a nurse.
Yeah, I think he was cruel to her :(
I liked it how house didn' t try to give her more assurance like we found the chemical or this is the best medicine etc bcoz of his first impression...
Instead he tried his way and forced her to accept it..
“ur just as pompous as he is” well… they did go through years of medical school and are quite literally the only people qualified to diagnose these things soooo
I hate when parents are like "i know my kid!" When the child is asked questions like 'did you use drugs?' well now the kid will definitely not tell the truth
I think people misunderstand what Medicine and being a Doctor is. You go to school to learn about the different ailments people get, but HOW people get them and HOW it effects them is always different. All a Doctor can do is "Best Guess" what fits the given symptoms and as always run tests. Tests are not perfect, as they are created by man and man is def less than perfect. Do they get it wrong, yup, but that is the nature of the practice. Every wrong diagnosis will eventually lead to the right one. People always give them such a hard time for not "figuring it out" earlier. These things take time, and a crucial symptom can take time to show. Kudos to them for keeping trucking forward. Tough job!
They should also realise that the 'pass' mark for medical exams is typically around 50-60%. ....
When Wilson said it would be faster to wait for Godot than to wait to hear back from the CDC I lost it lol
The Internet half truths have made these situations much more common.
Ah yes, my literal childhood trauma. I do have to hand it to the actress, she nailed the character. If only people like this only existed in fiction.
Be real, no parent actually "knows" their child as a teenager.
The actress playing the mother was in an a couple episodes of ER where she refused to see her teen son was drinking too much and actually gave him alcohol at times.
When he roasted her with the comment about having taken a biology course in high school 💀
I love those wannabe doctors irl. It amuses me how someone can think they have better understanding of a topic than a person who spent 7-11 years of his life studying it and the rest of his lifetime practicing it.
Doctors aren’t perfect and they do make mistakes, particularly as they come to difficult diagnoses and treatments for such. Your point is stands, however.
Doctors in America study a decade of lies like that circumcision has medical benefits that outweigh the risks
I actually just watched this episode in its entirety. I kinda think she’s justified. She’s mad because no one explains anything to her and doesn’t take her seriously. Her son’s first doctor literally admits to doing drugs and then accuses him of cheating on a school project. In both cases if they had just believed her, they would have gotten to the solution faster because she was right. The kid didn’t do drugs and he didn’t cheat.
House accused mom of trying to kill the boy point blank because he’s the biggest asshole in the world and Foreman basically said that parents aren’t reliable and don’t know anything.
Cameron acted like an incompetent and was there to manipulate the mom “as a fellow woman.”
Meanwhile every treatment that mom objected to seems to just make the kid worse.
I would probably be losing faith in the doctors too. In this case they should have just explained the process to her (which Foreman and Chase are actually quite good at. It’s weird that their bedside manner evaporated in this episode). Just a “hey, our job is to figure out what it could be, narrow down to the most likely possibilities, and when that’s ruled out we go to the less likely. This drug treats X. If it works, he gets better. If it doesn’t work, we have ruled out one possibility. And please remember that we are 100% invested in your son. Please trusts us. You have 4 doctors that are excellent in their respective fields at one of the best hospitals in the country.”
This is the correct take. Full stop.
Here's what I say to the helicopter moms or wannabe's:
Did you go to medical school?
Do you have a medical degree?
Did you study medicine?
Did you do a residency at a hospital?
Did you do a rotation as an intern?
Do you have a license to practice medicine?
Do you have any surgical training?
Then leave the practice of medicine to the professionals because I know what I'm doing and you know less than nothing.
What you shouldn't just defer to "medical professionals": Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, Thalidomide, early and aggressive use of ventilators on COVID patients because they blindly followed SARS protocols.
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Do you actually have citations to back your claim of concerns? Specifically that COVID-19 incursion.
I watched House and Grey's Anatomy, of course I know better.
And let's be real for a sec here. Doctors may in fact care about their patients. They also care about selling drugs, extending your stay so they can milk your insurance for as long as possible, appeasing the hospital administration so they can advance their careers, etc. So have they studied all the stuff you mentioned? Yes. Do they have your best interests at heart? Not always.
Just remember, you're not the customer, you're the product. Your insurance company is the customer they have to appease..
Just because you're "qualified" doesn't necessarily mean you're right. You could, in fact, be completely and totally wrong. You might have gotten there by being knowledgeable and experienced, but that doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. "Logic can often be a way of being wrong with confidence" is a warning against just that kind of hubris. So is "A surprise is what happens when you misinterpret what was right in front of you all along." All it takes is one bit of information being misinterpreted or outright missing entirely to change the entire equation.
Just because you're the "expert" doesn't prevent you from being an idiot. Nor are you perfect or God's gift to humanity. Get over yourself.
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Except that’s rhetorical.
Mere complaints rather than actually reporting to another professional and authorities for malpractice.
Ahhhhhh!!!! You're killing me! Can't believe the clip ended right here!! :(
I always love that I understand the godot reference
Erudition is a beautiful thing
i always hate that my EFL brain hears that as "a good dough". :-s
The key thing here is that House turned out to be wrong. If House was right it would have been a different story, but he wasn’t this ladies skepticism is fully justified now.
He's wrong a half a dozen times in EVERY episode.
But he only needs to be right ONCE - and usually it's HIM that arrives at the correct diagnosis.
@@arivaldhagel2394 One of the problems I had when I watched it was that whenever he was wrong and suggested a treatment that would have killed the patient, _some_ plot device stopped him - and not always some other person disagreeing with and stopping him exactly _because_ it would be fatal. But when it was a non-fatal treatment, he pretty much always got his will.
That's bad writing, plain and simple. It's false drama. The overall pattern was more or less always the same - he comes up with two or three false diagnoses and treatments, all too often practically torturing the patient, _sometimes_ gets stopped because the writers don't want to deal with him actually killing someone, and then comes up with the right diagnosis and treatment - and not even always by actually figuring it out, sometimes it's just another barely educated guess that turns out to be correct because reasons. Essentially, reality (of the show, i.e. the writer) _makes_ him correct because he's House. He's not correct for figuring it out, reality is written to make him correct.
That’s because she gave them nothing except hinder there investigation.
@@Wolf-ln1ml there have been some episodes where they killed a patient with the wrong treatment.
@@KatherineXIX I recall one. There was an ex drug user that had an infection the team overlooked and House discovered the cause too late.
Imagine thinking that you as a lay person can make decisions on what meds your child should be given. Ludicrous. How could she possibly know what is best for her son?
They could have easily shut her up with “well do you know what’s wrong with him?”
I really wish there was some kind of "if a Karen's idiocy is getting in the way of saving someone's life, you're legally allowed to slap them in the face and have security take them out" rule that could be set in every hospital... Believe me, that would save lives!
You watch too much TV. In real life, what happens most often is that a woman comes in with something serious, gets misdiagnosed, and dies. So your rule would result in more dead patients, not fewer.
0:01 - Am I the only person who immediately thought of Roxanne Hart saying "I don't work for Moran!" from Highlander?🤔😉
Yes.
I hate when parents push their ideals of them being more correct than someone who actually knows whats going on
and are you a medical professional like me. Cutty is right. This is what we were trained to do. Ethics says that we should not over ride the parents wishes. Granted this is a show, the parent was right about the first two times. She told them no, and it end up that the particular pesticide is not in her son's system. But I am looking at this and seeing people here are brainwashed by Covid propaganda, even when those who refuse to give it to their children is proven to be right at least for the males.
@@slewone4905 I'm not saying she's wrong, I'm saying that parents who over react and tell doctor's they are wrong is simply wrong and does nothing
@@fastpackcyclist6901 she is NOT overreacting tho, she was right and the treatment would've killer her son.
@@amancherry3998 she was, she constantly got in the way saying google is what she used to check her son's symptoms when his symptoms could have come from anything as most symptoms from over 70 percent of illnesses are the same
Tbh, she doesn't seem helicoptery to me. She asked a lot of valid questions. She refused the treatment because Chase said that if the treatment is wrong, the toxicity would increase.
She even looked for a second opinion by reaching out to CDC because House was wrong the first time.
Maybe she is crazier in the whole episode but here she just comes across as very worried mother who won't take a risky route unless there is a good explanation why she shouldn't worry or there is no other option left.
1:26 I just want someone to hold me the way Chase holds a seizing patient 😫😍😳
Oh dear😂
This is a classic example of ego taking control. This woman was so damned sure that she was right, that she almost caused her son's death.
"Pride goeth before a fall."
@phynchen8139 - How does/did his gender make a difference? I don't get where you're coming from with that statement.
If she doesn't like or trust doctors, why take him to a hospital?
Didn't like what she heard
.27- When Chase said..’when I was his age.’ I thought that was about 5 years ago. 😁. Chase has such a baby face.
Sometimes a mom's assessment of the situation really is better than the doctor's. When my 12 year old sister fell off her bike and broke her jaw (a condyle had broken off), the oral surgeon didn't think surgery could be successful, so he did nothing. The result would have been that my sister would have a crooked face for the rest of her life, only being able to chew on one side. To my mom, this was unacceptable. She got a second opinion from an oral surgeon at a better hospital, and he immediately scheduled surgery. He was able to reattach the condyle, and my sister fully recovered.
"second opinion " is always a good thing..esp when long lasting consequenses are at stake
I'm going in for a fifth opinion right now, none of them agree with each other.
That's not your mom's assessment. That's another doctor's assessment.
Here is the issue with this whole segment. Doctor's have no clue what you have based on symptom's. they have to go through a process of elimination because so many things have symptoms that are identical. This mom didnt make it easy on them because she gave them nothing to go off of and made it so they couldnt even try then thought that would help her and her son in the long run.
Cancer especially in real life is one of the hardest to diagnose and easiest to check for but most people wont get checked for cancer ever under normal cercomstances because it isn't something that brought up and if it is, usually it is because nothing else fit the illness. Same with things like tumors, cyst and the like in various harder to get to places like overies and brain. Some illness can also have many systems but even doctors cant know where they stem from and it creates the issue of, "can we save the person, or will the clock run out on us." senario because a problem might not be able to be visualized and the symtoms are a fckn mess. Poisoning is one of the worst because depending on the amune system. You body is actively trying to keep you and alive while attacking the foreign agent and at first it usually would make any sicker because it tends to be a constant activation. Even back in the day when you had poisons that where used to kill people especially royalty and royalty would try to ingest more and more poison and let their body fight it and overtime over come it but doing it every so often. chemicals we have now can probably outright kill you or at least make your body slow to repair the damage you sustained to you cells,blood and tissue that we constantly damage be it on purpose or accident. This is usually what makes people need to fall into a deeper sleep than what our bodies usually need and sometimes the damage can be so bad that the brain shuts off in it panic it created.
You are either a pretend medicine person, or proof that even typed, a doctor's writing is nearly incomprehensible
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