History Summarized: Thebes’ Greatest Accomplishment Ever

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  • @paigek7172
    @paigek7172 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1189

    This is even funnier when you realize that the patron gods of Thebes were Apollo and Dionysus.

    • @volk551
      @volk551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +145

      Let's see the power to see the future and bring plagues upon thine enemies, & drunken Madness...no I could see that happening.

    • @esbeng.s.a9761
      @esbeng.s.a9761 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @Aung Un'Rama Well Apollo was on vacation and Dionysus was throwing up in the nearst bush all day long

    • @frostyguy1989
      @frostyguy1989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Aung Ramen You could say that Thebes should therefore have seen that coming, but that would be ironic.

    • @DrJReefer
      @DrJReefer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'll drink to that.

    • @The_preserver_x16
      @The_preserver_x16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Aung Ramen honestly there city getting sacked was on themselves, should’ve remained loyal

  • @dezopenguin9649
    @dezopenguin9649 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1879

    And to add to the comedy: because Sparta apparently didn't _want_ Thebes to make a petty amendment in the peace documents that would make them look better, got themselves into a war that they _lost_ and ended up taking a solid hit to their prestige and influence.

    • @grahamcochran5400
      @grahamcochran5400 5 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      In fairness they actually won the war by killing the main Theban general and all his leutianants at the battle of Manitea ending the war in a Spartan and Athenian victory, and depleating everyone's male populations to the point Phillip of Macedon steam rolled everyone

    • @albertofrankdiaz6664
      @albertofrankdiaz6664 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@grahamcochran5400 sparta didnt won the war. A time pass to Thebes fall apart for politic issues. Sparta didnt win anything and They didnt got anything. Sparta lose to thebes. Then lose twice to the macedonians. And then they lose to romans.

    • @grahamcochran5400
      @grahamcochran5400 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@albertofrankdiaz6664 I think you missed the point. Thebes won the battle of Leuctra, but failed during their invasion of Laconia proper in militaristic terms, in strategical terms losing the Battle of Manitea which ended the short bit of Theban Hegemony. After that point, no singular state exercised Hegemony until the conquest of Phillip of Macedon. You are correct in your latter statements in regard to the revolt of Agis III I believe where he was killed outside Corinth, and then later at the Battle of Sellasia in 222 BC under Cleomenes III. And Nicas of Sparta was sorta conquered but more just was politically absorbed by Rome once he lost his main port to a quick Roman naval invasion. In relation to the war against Thebes, in a battlefield since Thebes lost the war and its hegemony over Greece, but in the process crushed Sparta's manpower and liberated Messenia while also putting Athens in heavy amounts of debt, thus the main 3 players in Greek politics were weakened. The situation was much more black and white than "They didnt got anything. Sparta lose to thebes."

    • @fredericksmith7942
      @fredericksmith7942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Not just that, the Thebans also liberated the Helots, which basically destroyed the entirety of Spartan society, which was contingent on the helots being enslaved.
      Thebes didn’t just beat Sparta; Thebes RUINED Sparta.

    • @gwarfanatik
      @gwarfanatik วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@fredericksmith7942 Sparta existed for another 175 years.
      Alexander RUINED Thebes only 40 years later.
      6000 Thebans killed in battle and the rest of the entire 30,000 strong population of the city sold into slavery and scattered to the wind. Makes the 1000 Spartans lost at Leuctra look rather quaint eh?
      All by Alexander who used tactics taught to him by his father Phillip II who had ironically learned military arts under Epaminodas the greatest Theban general when he was a hostage of Thebes as a boy during their short "hegemony".
      Sparta will remain an enduring military symbol known around the world and Thebes will continue to be nothing more than a footnote best known for fielding a unit of gay soldiers.

  • @CastorRidicule
    @CastorRidicule 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1546

    Comedy is tragedy plus time. By that logic, antiquity is a comedic gold mine.

    • @rawovunlapin8201
      @rawovunlapin8201 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I mean, I suppose I now know why people found the Flintstones so funny

    • @GuukanKitsune
      @GuukanKitsune 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Two Greek kingdoms went to an all-out, bloody, decades-long war over the ownership of a bucket that two farmers found exactly on their property line, which just also happened to be the kingdom border as well. History is full of hindsight ridiculousness and hilarity if you just look.

    • @RogueT-Rex8468
      @RogueT-Rex8468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@GuukanKitsune “Do you even know what triggered the last world war? An argument with Germany over how many telegraph poles they owed their war debt creditors. Telegraph poles!
      It's all a joke! Anything anybody ever valued or struggled for, it's all just a monstrous, demented gag.”- Joker. The killing joke.

    • @GuukanKitsune
      @GuukanKitsune 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@RogueT-Rex8468 Warning about The Joker. He's crazy, so take what he says with a grain of salt. Although, yeah, that's one of the things that happened, the causes were varied and complex. The total annexment of Czechoslovakia, shortly followed by the invasion of Poland, is what ultimately turned it from a series of disagreements into an outright war.
      The bucket thing really happened, though.

    • @BradyPostma
      @BradyPostma 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That, Vincent, is the fundamental basis of OSP.

  • @davidhorvat9460
    @davidhorvat9460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +556

    Kings of Sparta: so how did the battle go
    Spartan General: we......we lost
    Kings of Sparta: "is this like an out-of-season April Fool's joke"

    • @Talyrion
      @Talyrion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Weeell, if one looks at Sparta's battle record, one comes to realize Sparta kind of loses as often as they win. What they REALLY had going for them was their reputation, and Thebes kind of shattered that.

    • @Stego1819
      @Stego1819 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@Talyrion Spartans werent even half as tough as people think. As you said they only had a great reputation and that is what they lived from. They were so effective at spreading propaganda that we believe that they are superwarriors today.

    • @tylerdurden3722
      @tylerdurden3722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@Stego1819 the Spartans really were that good. But there were never really that many of them.
      Only a small portion of Spartan armies were made up of actual Spartans. The rest of the army was made up of "allies".
      The Spartans usually took position on the right (Hence why Epaminondas targeted the right).
      A couple of years before Luectra, at a place that sounds like Corona (can't remember the name😅), the Thebans were busy losing a battle against the Spartans, at some point, a gap in the Spartan line formed and the Thebans managed to escape the battlefield through that gap.
      Then a few years after that, at Tygera, Pelopidas led the 300 Sacred Band and some cavalry to attack a Spartan Garrison while the Spartans were gone. But when they got there, The Spartan Garrison was already replaced. So they turned and ran home before they were noticed. But just as they were heading home. Another 2 Spartan mora just so happens to be returning from the north and noticed them.
      The Thebans panicked as they realized theyre trapped.
      Pelopidas remembered that previous battle where the Thebans escaped through a gap in the Spartan line and came up with a strategy to replicate that escape.
      The Spartans formed their line, and then Pelopidas sent his cavalry to harass the Spartan flanks, kicking up dust and screening his next move. Then Pelopidas formed the sacred band into a very deep formation with the intention of this deep formation smashing through the Spartan line and creating a means of escape.
      This worked much better than anticipated. The point of impact was devastating on that part of the Spartan line. It worked so well that both Spartan officers (of each mora) was killed on impact. The two Spartan mori began to waver at the sight of their fallen officers and the Thebans having pierced their line.
      At this point, Pelopidas abandoned the escape plan and ordered his men to turn and attack the newly exposed flanks and rear of the Spartans. The Spartans lost this engagement.
      This was the first time the Spartans were beaten by a numerically inferior enemy.
      This deep formation worked so well that it became a common tactic used by Theban generals during this war and they expanded on this tactic. Developing it further.
      By the time of Luectra, the Thebans had pretty much perfected this Deep formation tactic. This new tactical innovation was what they used to defeat the Spartans on the Right flank at Luectra.
      The Thebans massed their troops on the left, made their Phalanx there an insane 50 ranks deep, and then sent this sledge hammer towards the Spartan right. The Spartan flank was completely bulldozed at impact by this increadibly deep and massed Theban unit.
      Massing that many troops on one flank weakens the rest of the line. The Thebans solved this problem by inventing the refused flank innovation. The Thebans would delay the rest of their weakened line (they'd be ordered to march slower), until the sledge hammer did it's job.
      This was what happened at Luectra, and how the Spartans were defeated. The Sacred band was on the flank next to the sledge hammer. They swung around and flanked while the Spartan right was being bulldozed.
      When the Real Spartans were crushed, the rest of the "Spartan" line routed.
      Again, the rest of the line werent really Spartans...they were "allies" from other cities and towns. Epaminondas knew that, and he knew that taking out the real Spartans first would cause the rest of the line to break and run.
      The Spartans really were that good.
      The Sacred Band would later be defeated completely by the Macedonian phalanx...head to head.
      A couple of years later, a few Spartan boys and Spartan women (the Spartan army was not home) would repel the army of Pyrrhus of Epirus. A very experienced Macedonian style army with some Macedonian veterans in it, that fought with Alexander in Asia. Including heavy cavalry and even war Armored Indian War Elephants. This same army had fought and beat several Roman and Carthaginian armies.
      This formidable army was repelled by a few Spartan boys.

    • @suspiciouscanadian6478
      @suspiciouscanadian6478 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tylerdurden3722 facts

    • @BradyPostma
      @BradyPostma 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Which King of Sparta? There are always two.

  • @Zerpderp0
    @Zerpderp0 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1164

    I just realized that Greek history is basically TH-cam drama in a nutshell.

    • @unwantedmacguffin5611
      @unwantedmacguffin5611 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      All of history is.

    • @Grim_Sister
      @Grim_Sister 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Basically, yes.
      But it still doesn’t get to the level of pettiness that the art community has.
      In the last few years, scientists discovered a shade of Black so dark is swallows light. A guy brought the rights to it and he’s the only person that can use that particular shade of black.
      Later, a new pigment of Pink was discovered. A different guy brought the rights to that shade and made it public domain to everyone except the asshole who took the light swallowing black.
      The art community pulls so much shit, I’m shocked people are still putting up with us

    • @Zerpderp0
      @Zerpderp0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@Grim_Sister ironic (or expected) that the black is so toxic that it's got several health issues associated with it, while the pink isn't toxic. Also I know exactly who you're talking about. Paint the Bean Pink!

    • @talentless2048
      @talentless2048 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      what until u learn about European monarchy and pope fights

    • @mediatorraptor3349
      @mediatorraptor3349 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Grim_Sister i heard my teacher talk about it in school

  • @tomwolf2009
    @tomwolf2009 4 ปีที่แล้ว +433

    Athens: I swear on my people to peace!
    Sparta: I swear on my people and my allies to peace!
    Thebes: I swear on my people to peace, my allies can swear on themselves to peace!
    2 HOURS LATER
    Thebes: Hey, can I reswear to inlcude my allies to my oath.
    Sparta: N-no, you can't reswear, your oath is set in stone!
    Thebes: War it is then!
    Athens: Aren't we supposed to bee making peace?
    Sparta: Uh, yeah, that's why we've gathered h-
    Thebes: WARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

    • @scooperdooper4097
      @scooperdooper4097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      and then they won

    • @predwin1998
      @predwin1998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Can you imagine rallying your army under those circumstances?
      "Alright men, I know we've all been hoping to finally put this long war with the Spartans behind us after fighting them for 6 years without progress. I know many of you were relieved to hear of the peace talks taking place yesterday. Peace, sweet and gentle peace, was finally so close we could all practically taste it. However, I regret to inform you that those Spartans, blinded by their arrogance, would not allow us to add a minor amendment to include a swear on behalf of our allies to our vow to uphold peace which would have made us appear more prestigious. Therefore they have left us no choice but to reignite the flames of war right when their final embers were dying out. Would any of you let the Spartans slight us so unpunished? I think not. TO WAR!!!"

    • @cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967
      @cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Basically lol

    • @MiguelPerez-zx2wg
      @MiguelPerez-zx2wg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Macedon: *knocking on the door
      Thebes: *Open the door
      Macedon: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"

    • @DrJReefer
      @DrJReefer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MiguelPerez-zx2wg men of wealth and taste?

  • @martijnvanweele6204
    @martijnvanweele6204 6 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Reality is often crazier than anything we can come up with. I once took a class with a professor in law who told us that he has to _tone down_ certain real-life examples he gives on his tests to not make them sound completely unrealistic.

    • @lordnul1708
      @lordnul1708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      "Reality is unrealistic."
      -TV Tropes

  • @dr_sm4rt317
    @dr_sm4rt317 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3275

    Thebe's best fighters, the Sacred Band, were actually 150 pairs of gay men. The idea was that if one man saw his lover fall, he would fight twice as hard.

    • @ddogbud
      @ddogbud 7 ปีที่แล้ว +657

      You beat me to this comment. Thebes overcame Sparta with their own 300 elite fighters, and they were gay.

    • @dr_sm4rt317
      @dr_sm4rt317 7 ปีที่แล้ว +372

      It was pretty gay, but I don't think it was retarded. It worked very well, as history will tell.

    • @thefaceofawsomeness491
      @thefaceofawsomeness491 7 ปีที่แล้ว +590

      The greeks didn't view sexuality quite like we do. To them, bisexuality was the norm. So, they were mostly bisexual lovers who very likely had female lovers too. Still, proves that having sexual attractions towards men doesn't make you weak though.

    • @theodoregeorgiou4565
      @theodoregeorgiou4565 7 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      +Máté Kovács ...I am sorry. what? I am pretty sure i established I am gay, so why should I cut myself? Because they made the word homophobia? I am pretty sure you should read my comment again.

    • @marisac.1391
      @marisac.1391 7 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      Oi! Chill out you jerk, just because you got your special snowflake panties in a twist doesn't mean you have to tell someone to cut themselves. The original commenter has blatantly stated that they are gay so why in the world are you getting so crazy and out of control with your response. As I said before, simmer the fuck down.

  • @lmz9694
    @lmz9694 7 ปีที่แล้ว +643

    This is why I love history.
    Not everything is serious and it's just old news from that time.

    • @justineberlein5916
      @justineberlein5916 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I've pulled off some pretty stupid accomplishments in EU4, like vassalizing Denmark as the *Huron* (First Nations from Ontario) with an army of only 16,000 soldiers, despite half of them dying a month into the war. I'd say that's the sort of nonsense that only happens in CK2 and EU4, but that's giving actual history too much credit.

  • @avnerim
    @avnerim 7 ปีที่แล้ว +596

    So hissy fit does actually work. But only if you have a really good tactician and a good strong army. -- . -- . . . . Nice!

    • @Mr.LaughingDuck
      @Mr.LaughingDuck 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Very understandable why Alexander finally went: "OK, we've had enough of this shit!"

    • @joedavies9621
      @joedavies9621 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      MEMEEEE

    • @timothyzappa2828
      @timothyzappa2828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I am missing only 2 of these things

    • @travishighbaugh5245
      @travishighbaugh5245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well anything works with good enough tactics and men.

  • @derpionderpson1424
    @derpionderpson1424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +306

    I mean... that kinda sums up everything about Ancient Greece: really impressive... and really, really stupid.

    • @Disco.Wizard
      @Disco.Wizard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Kinda sums up all human civilisation forever

  • @Cappy-Bara
    @Cappy-Bara 7 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    I went over Leutra in military history. Three things from the battle, 1) refused flank, which prevented flanking long enough to do the battle, 2) deep array, Thebes stacked a huge number of people behind their best so when they broke the line it was like a dam breaking, 3) gay alliance, the top Theban warriors, to guarantee their loyalty to each other to protect each other became mass lovers, because you fight harder when defeat means the death of your lovers

    • @hades2596
      @hades2596 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I wanted to talk about the refused flank, which, you're right, is super important, but that would have meant adding another minute to the video, or drawing out a battle plan, and I figured explaining the concept behind the Sacred Band was enough military history for one day. (Don't worry, I'll be all over those refused flanks when I'm talking about Alexander in a future video :D )

  • @lukevankleef4245
    @lukevankleef4245 5 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    4:58 I swear to god, I honestly misheard that as: ''His strongest spiders.'' and I just imagined an army of spiders fighting the Spartans. Epaminondas: ''Spiders! A giant legion of spiders!''

    • @lordnul1708
      @lordnul1708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And now I can't unhear it as that

    • @BeepBoopBee
      @BeepBoopBee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That... Honestly wouldve been a thousand times as terrifying

    • @Daniel-jk6ve
      @Daniel-jk6ve ปีที่แล้ว +1

      “How about a legion of spiiiiders?!”

    • @dominikdurkovsky8318
      @dominikdurkovsky8318 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Daniel-jk6ve Greek fire

  • @somedude4967
    @somedude4967 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Thebans : We're gonna have a war on Sparta. Epomindas, what great strategy will you use to try and defeat them ?
    Epominodas : maybe I'll just exchange the placement of my soldiers.....
    The entirety of Greece : SHIT

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In addition to putting his best troops right up against Sparta's, Epaminondas also stacked those troops ridiculously deep.
      A typical Greek phalanx was 8 ranks deep. ie each guy on the front line had 7 other soldiers behind him. When phalanxes collided, those ranks would be pushing forward against the backs of the men in front of them, thus combining their strength against the opposing phalanx who did the same.
      But Epaminondas had the Thebans on the left flank stacked *50 deep.* So each 8 Spartans had 50 Thebans pushing against them. This weakened the Thebans' own right flank, but that was up against the conscripted soldiers of Sparta's conquered "allies", who didn't even want to fight. Once the front line on the Spartan right flank started to fall, it was an absolute stampede. And as soon as Sparta's allies saw the Spartans losing, they noped the hell out of there.

  • @CollinMcLean
    @CollinMcLean 4 ปีที่แล้ว +265

    Random Spartan Officer:How did they manage to defeat our near invincible phalanx?! We had our Strongest on the right and our weakest on the left!
    Random Spartan Soldier:The put their strongest on our left side...
    Random Spartan Officer: ... such genius military strategy...

    • @blakep267
      @blakep267 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Actually I think it’s the opposite. Instead of putting string against weak thebes put strong against strong and won that side and the weak side crumbled on its own

    • @CommissarMitch
      @CommissarMitch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      The Sacret Band was also all gay dudes. Sparta, one of the Most gay societies in all of history, got out-gayed.

    • @tomwolf2009
      @tomwolf2009 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, genius!

    • @MountSec
      @MountSec 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Such wow...

    • @coralscorpion
      @coralscorpion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@CommissarMitch Battle of the Gays

  • @kasey8568
    @kasey8568 6 ปีที่แล้ว +222

    Yet no one ever talks about Thebes outside of Ancient Literature. All the focus is on Athens, Sparta, and Persia. Thebes was actually kinda awesome

    • @galidorn1
      @galidorn1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      not the way the lolspartan sycophants tell it but yeah I agree.

    • @Alizudo
      @Alizudo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Alexander completely ripped their city apart brick. By. Brick.
      The city did not exist anymore. It was just walls with no buildings inside. Thebes ceased to exist.

    •  4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Ok, lets be clear on something: what they did wasn't awesome, it was in fact very stupid. They risk the peace and sacrifice many men for that stupid thing. It's kinda funny though because of how turned out, but is still not awesome.

    • @rawovunlapin8201
      @rawovunlapin8201 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @ sure, but it is funny in hindsight.

    • @mk9650
      @mk9650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Alizudo it was rebuilt and still exists in modern Greece

  • @oolooo
    @oolooo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +344

    This represents ancient history in general : just to show that you are strong , even in the most petty and meaningless way , you are willing to sacrifice the lives of thousands of young men .

    • @Rynewulf
      @Rynewulf 7 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Nah, I'd say that's just all history in general. Hooray pointless deaths! :D (One of my favourites is the war over the drunken stealing of a bucket in Italy)

    • @griffindault
      @griffindault 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      The Unusual Stranger it was likely a calculated pretext to justify attacking Sparta and establishing dominance of Greece.

    • @Alaryk111
      @Alaryk111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Not only ancient.

    • @rawovunlapin8201
      @rawovunlapin8201 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rynewulf wait, what? When?

    • @Rynewulf
      @Rynewulf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@rawovunlapin8201look up 'The Bucket War', 1400s northern Italy if I'm not mistaken?

  • @katev4827
    @katev4827 7 ปีที่แล้ว +314

    THIS IS THE AGE OF MYTHOLOGY MUSIC

    • @TheWarriorpony
      @TheWarriorpony 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Kate V I was looking for this comment XD

    • @yonokhanman654
      @yonokhanman654 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But AoE music would make more sense, wouldn't it?

    • @ungureanubogdan2398
      @ungureanubogdan2398 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yono khanman well i guess blue kinda likes it , besides just being thematically apropriate

    • @yonokhanman654
      @yonokhanman654 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ungureanu Bogdan
      An AoE theme would have been more apropriate, don't you think? I mean, we are not talking about mythology here.

    • @bobodimitrov4440
      @bobodimitrov4440 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yono khanman maybe not but I can't find Greece specific theme in AoE and in AoM there's tons of it. N it's quite authentic I think that why he went for it.

  • @lavendero3204
    @lavendero3204 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1197

    Blue : Thebes is my favourite bs nonsense in history
    Me: what about Walpole

    • @Lady_in_Yearning
      @Lady_in_Yearning 6 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      Goddammit, go away Walpole! You're not even born here yet!

    • @lavendero3204
      @lavendero3204 6 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      Ankyri I'm Walpole. With my Delorean and tardis I can go any where any time
      I am needed elsewhere WALPOLE AWAY

    • @Lady_in_Yearning
      @Lady_in_Yearning 6 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      *shakes fist at sky* WALPOOOOOLE!!!

    • @TheMightyEpicspencer
      @TheMightyEpicspencer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      What about Bismark?

    • @sicat2345
      @sicat2345 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      This is the almighty Walpole we are talking about so no wonder he'd hijack the overly sarcatics. While Bismark is busy expanding the German teritory over EC, Walpole is here pulling off his signature walpolean antics.

  • @1stPCFerret
    @1stPCFerret 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    "If it's stupid, but it works, then it's not stupid any more." -- The Mighty Jingles

    • @drascin
      @drascin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maxim 43: If it's stupid but it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky.

    • @adamwu4565
      @adamwu4565 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drascin Some of the greatest blunders in history happened because someone tried something stupid and it worked, and someone else, watching, thought "hey it worked, I guess it wasn't so stupid after all," and then tried to do the same thing, again.

    • @JaelinBezel
      @JaelinBezel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That doesn’t mean it’s not still ridiculous.

  • @adamlatosinski5475
    @adamlatosinski5475 7 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    Seeing the title, I thought that the Thebes' greatest accomplishment was inventing the armchair.

  • @AnaxErik4ever
    @AnaxErik4ever 6 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    And people just think the mythological founding of Thebes, with Cadmus sowing the Dragon's Teeth, is crazy. Real history can be a total nut job sometimes.

  • @helen_lenito
    @helen_lenito 7 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    I'm from Greece and I love your guys videos.You make history so much cooler and fun I mean I already loved history but you get the point. Keep up the amazing work

  • @johnnywalker1333
    @johnnywalker1333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    You forgot to mention Epaminondas' oblique order which is creating an overload, several ranks deeper than usual, on one flank of the phalanx, in this case it was the left side, the side which was facing the Spartans. In my opinion this crucial detail led the Theban army to victory.

    • @ENVYYedit
      @ENVYYedit ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s called Oblique order

  • @MissAppolonia
    @MissAppolonia 7 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Alert! OSP has uploaded! Initiating Operation 'Drop anything that you're doing and watch video' at once!

  • @maryk7124
    @maryk7124 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    When you casually declare war on Sparta and win. Pog.

  • @harrisonhicks6853
    @harrisonhicks6853 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    for some reason I can’t help but imagine that the writers of the peace treaty are various “it’s always sunny in philadelphia characters”

  • @lunaticraindrop
    @lunaticraindrop 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I love history and you guys are doing an amazing job spreading the love for it!! Also as someone from Greece who is in love with different cultures and myths I wanna thank you!! I have learned a lot from this channel and I will continue learning~ ❤💙

  • @thedoruk6324
    @thedoruk6324 7 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Clicked faster than pirates of carribean uploads; this is way much better !

  • @AdorablyAtrocious
    @AdorablyAtrocious 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Age of Mythology soundtrack hits me right in the nostalgia.

  • @Zoditron
    @Zoditron 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I think You guys have been chosen by TH-cam to be in The Recommended Section. I believe that is why you are Skyrocketing in Subscribers.

  • @bretttracey1851
    @bretttracey1851 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You guys are awsome, just wanna let you know. I learned alot from you and your commentary and animations of the stories are really funny!

  • @xamanthamarieporioerivera1676
    @xamanthamarieporioerivera1676 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just found out about you and this is the best!

  • @flaviusbelisarius7517
    @flaviusbelisarius7517 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The sign of a good TH-cam channel is watching videos you've seen before because they are still entertaining and watching informative videos where you already know the information.
    I do both of these

  • @colindunnigan8621
    @colindunnigan8621 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If I recall, Epaminondas also arrayed his hoplites on his left flank in greater ranks (up to 50 deep, as opposed to the traditional 8 deep). The Threban Sacred Band was also put at the head of this array.

  • @BlightVonDrake
    @BlightVonDrake 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Flip the table and become legendary at the same time. I have no words, that's just legit amazing.

  • @claytongriffith8323
    @claytongriffith8323 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The first history video I watched on the channel, very glad I took the dive into something I don't really know

  • @reterbid6215
    @reterbid6215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sparta: Ha, killed your army, what are you going to do, call your boyfriend?
    Thebes: Wait, just finding his number.

    • @raidang
      @raidang 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sacred band of Thebes:

  • @Urspo
    @Urspo 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just love these. Thank you so much for them.

  • @williamdragon9415
    @williamdragon9415 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This one was really good Blue. It was concise, interesting ad funny.

  • @ardentfloof4723
    @ardentfloof4723 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I swear this channel teaches me more than ACTUAL history lessons...I'm subscribing

  • @thewtfgirl454
    @thewtfgirl454 7 ปีที่แล้ว +221

    I am from Sparta and that's how we roll, unbeatable motherfuckers... but then Thebes happen
    (Sorry for my bad English)

    • @oskartheguy2105
      @oskartheguy2105 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The WTF Girl it is ok.

    • @idanzamir7540
      @idanzamir7540 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Χαίρετε
      (sorry for my bad Greek)

    • @thewtfgirl454
      @thewtfgirl454 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Idan Zamir It's ok but χαίρετε it's way too formal... try something like γεια σου it's more common among Greeks 😊

    • @idanzamir7540
      @idanzamir7540 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ευχαριστώ 😄😄

    • @thewtfgirl454
      @thewtfgirl454 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Idan Zamir παρακαλώ 😊

  • @dragonfire7354
    @dragonfire7354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Way to go Thebes! I'm sure you'll live on past Philip of Macedon to do great things!
    Alexander: ....
    W, where did you put Thebes Alexander?
    Alexander: Um...

  • @shrimpnoodles6144
    @shrimpnoodles6144 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just found this channel. I LOVE IT!

  • @traviswebb3532
    @traviswebb3532 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love you guys keep up the great work.

  • @CDexie
    @CDexie 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:32 My, that's brilliant. The delivery is spot on :D

  • @sofalint2905
    @sofalint2905 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why does this channel not have millions of views? I love this channel!

  • @asalways1504
    @asalways1504 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy to see you again Blue!

  • @SunScourge
    @SunScourge 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is, to the letter, that scene in Good Omens where the embodiment of War strolls in to a peace agreement and messes up everything. She must've been there encouraging the Thebans back then.

  • @KarishmaChanglani
    @KarishmaChanglani 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This is the level of petty I aspire to be

  • @user-zh5ih3em3t
    @user-zh5ih3em3t 6 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Did they like have ten year olds as their diplomats LOL

    • @theposhdinosaur7276
      @theposhdinosaur7276 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No but their elite force "the sacred band" was entirely comprised of boys and men in pedophiliac relationships, as it was believed that the lovers would protect eachother more that way.

    • @helenanilsson5666
      @helenanilsson5666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@theposhdinosaur7276 While I know there was an age difference, I *strongly* doubt the "boys" they sent in as their elite force would be young enough for the relationship to be "pedophiliac". The entire point of the thing was to get 300 elite soldiers capable of defeating a military superpower, not 150 elite soldiers and some dead weight kids.

    • @theposhdinosaur7276
      @theposhdinosaur7276 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@helenanilsson5666 Not when fully trained at least. Since this is so ancient, it's really hard to tell the specifics.

  • @expressivemindscounselling7187
    @expressivemindscounselling7187 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    omg I luv ur art style

  • @RainintheBrain
    @RainintheBrain 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome! Oh and I loved the Age of Mythology music in the background (Adult Swim). Very nice touch.

  • @Asguard82
    @Asguard82 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The music in your videos has been like a needle under my fingernails, I knew I knew it but couldn’t remember where from, then found the age of mythology soundtrack again :p

  • @hannahgee5407
    @hannahgee5407 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is probably my fave video on your channel. Also I made a meme for this

  • @connormcalister7324
    @connormcalister7324 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow. you guys do an amazing job.

  • @HelaneJulia
    @HelaneJulia 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hiya! I recently just found you guys and I love your storytelling! I don't know if you take requests, or if you're still doing Greek myths, but I would love to hear your sarcastic overview of the myth "Echo and Narcissus"

  • @Kerosiin
    @Kerosiin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Moral of the story : Throw hissy fits to show how strong and powerful you are

  • @cyclpiancitydweller9517
    @cyclpiancitydweller9517 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thebes put a massive middle finger up to Sparta.
    Boy that had guts.

  • @maurogigliotti1911
    @maurogigliotti1911 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    2 videos and I already love you

  • @mars8378
    @mars8378 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love learning from your channel sooo much, you guys make it fun and interesting. Also, what program do you use to draw your characters??

  • @woofergranade2044
    @woofergranade2044 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omg is that music from age of mythology at the end there?
    You sir get all of the browny points!

  • @johnburt7935
    @johnburt7935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Epaminondas is my second-favorite Theban, after Galinthis.
    Galinthis probably wasn't actually as great an inventor as has been claimed, but she was clearly a brilliant marketer.

  • @davidd.5180
    @davidd.5180 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    this made my day

  • @yasinghasemi7733
    @yasinghasemi7733 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your music! It's from Age of Mythology theme song, am I right? I played that game a loooot in my childhood and this music had somehow became calming for me. Good to hear it once again 🥺

  • @Onemanshowoff
    @Onemanshowoff 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    No, we are not going to call it a day
    We are not even going to call it a night
    We are NOT even going to call it an evening

  • @jochentram9301
    @jochentram9301 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't think Spartans ever quite lived up to their PR. Never mind that, after the Battle of the Mice, Sparta becomes a giant theme park.

  • @donatodiniccolodibettobardi842
    @donatodiniccolodibettobardi842 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn, I love that music... Oh, Age of Mythology, I'll never forget you.
    Oh, and that was great vid.

  • @anitarichmond8930
    @anitarichmond8930 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totally love this episode

  • @bruceswayn9628
    @bruceswayn9628 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Age of Mythology music always give me major flashbacks to my early childhood.

  • @Cartoonicus
    @Cartoonicus 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Impressive and Stupid" I love it. That should be the name of a reality show.

  • @hannahgee5407
    @hannahgee5407 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is probably my fave video and now my favourite history story. My friends are like WE KNOW THEBES WAS PETTY WE GET IT

  • @mamapie7424
    @mamapie7424 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the next miscellaneous myths could you do the myth of Hades and Mynthe?! I think its so interesting and want to see your twist on it!

  • @adina4718
    @adina4718 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    reminds me of that bucket war
    "so they stole your bucket."
    "yup"
    "so you went to war"
    "yup well there was a big pope thing but it was mainly the bucket."
    "why"
    "no one touches our bucket"
    "why the new kind of wells work better."
    "NO ONE TOUCHES THE BUCKET."
    or or the emu war witch you need to do a video on

  • @callumsanders8223
    @callumsanders8223 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you make a video about some Celtic mythical creatures, there really interesting and hearing about them in your videos would be so cool, also you guys are awesome

  • @rainbowdemon5033
    @rainbowdemon5033 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is that... the AGE OF MYTHOLOGY SOUNDTRACK?
    I love that game.

  • @requiem6465
    @requiem6465 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Thebes sounds like that guy everyone hates.

    • @lissaquon607
      @lissaquon607 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wasnt Oedipus in the end from and king of Thebes? Yea. Yea. Getting a propaganda vibe there.

  • @isabellekuipers8609
    @isabellekuipers8609 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That music bring back such memories... Of bears wearing Canada flags...

  • @Simp4Gwyn
    @Simp4Gwyn 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The song in the backgound is from game I used to play when I was like 10 years old
    It was a real time strategy game I'm pretty sure
    I sucked at it
    But hearing that faint song in the background got me right in the feels

  • @loC2ol
    @loC2ol 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do something on or about AC Odyssey!!! Or just some more Ancient Greece!!! Love your channel

  • @adjoint_functor
    @adjoint_functor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thebes trying to reswear has the same energy as insisting that the other person goes first

  • @TheJoker2447
    @TheJoker2447 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thebes: We would like to reswear on behalf of our people and allies.
    Sparta: You can't do that.
    Thebes: So you have chosen death!

  • @blackfox4138
    @blackfox4138 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let me just say, I really appreciate the inclusion of the Age of Mythology soundtrack to your vids

  • @Zerathina
    @Zerathina 7 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Let's be honest for a minute, though Thebes did mess up Sparta, they should have lost after that to Sparta and Greece, and more civilizations ganging up on them for not just letting the peace flow. Sparta should have been stopped by the peace treaty, but nooooo, Thebes had to look cool and powerful... what would have really happened had Thebes just let go, and went with the flow of peace?

    • @moonymonster
      @moonymonster 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Hilarity would not ensue

    • @festethephule7553
      @festethephule7553 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      moonymonster
      And that's just no fun.

    • @theposhdinosaur7276
      @theposhdinosaur7276 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What did happen was another war where Sparta and Athens now both thought Thebes was too powerful. Thebes won, but lost their amazing general, and thus status quo was re-established for an entire 2 seconds before the Macedonians showed up.

  • @companyoflosers
    @companyoflosers 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the music in all these vids makes me wanna replay age of mythology

  • @DamagePercent
    @DamagePercent 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I sometimes be watching these videos just to see what music y’all use, the Black Ops 3 menu music was a crazy ass mixup lmao

  • @jestersareawesome4332
    @jestersareawesome4332 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how you use the Thebes citizens in Hercules in the video. Lol.

  •  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    See, Sparta, that's what happen when your enemy flex back.

  • @chrishamilton7516
    @chrishamilton7516 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sparta: “We’re the best!”
    Literally everyone around them: “No”

  • @jeditv303
    @jeditv303 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally an Upload

  • @JimBob4233
    @JimBob4233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thebes and Corinth turning on Sparta immediately makes sense. Once you've won the war, the only threats are the people on your team.

  • @thomasrogers8239
    @thomasrogers8239 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    so around the halfway point you mention the thebans chatting, but i totally heard that as CHADing and i like that better.

  • @postmodernexistentialist9404
    @postmodernexistentialist9404 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Age of Mythology, wow, that takes me back.

  • @benjaminfink8393
    @benjaminfink8393 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Greek history in the classical periods can be summed up as a "Game of Thrones drama in the Mediterranean over a longer timeline."

  • @walterdasho8078
    @walterdasho8078 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have I mentioned I love you all here at OSP all the much. Give us all the stories!!!!

  • @jackdewey4298
    @jackdewey4298 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AOM Music! 👀👀 Takes me back to my childhood....

  • @albertodelrio69
    @albertodelrio69 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel needs more musical numbers

  • @1337-Nathaniel
    @1337-Nathaniel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always love that Age of Mythology music

  • @bluebearfire132
    @bluebearfire132 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Is... is that the music from Age of Mythology??? Yes yes it is... respect

    • @phantom31017
      @phantom31017 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Karla C - Yaaaaay someone else noticed too!!!

  • @wiskasIO
    @wiskasIO 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Sure the Spartans are ferocious warriors but we got family" -Epaminondas Toretto