it shows once again how big and beautiful their group of friends is. it doesn't matter if you drive a v8, honda or a tesla, they are there for you and come up with ideas to make it better faster and more beautiful.
Man I would love to see carbon fiber bodywork that clips on to the roll cage that ends with a ducktail to maximize aero! Killer content guys love your work!!
@@mathiasnkristensenbro I don’t mean to sound disrespectful but do you have any idea of the cost of making carbon fiber? The ovens, the hours involved… CF is more expensive for a reason. Plus it would weigh more like 80 lbs (assuming a CF shell would weight around 550 pounds) which defeats the whole cut weight process…
@@brunosantospereiraa it depends on how you make it. Is it normal resin on carbon, prepreg or infusion? You don't necessarily need an oven to make carbon fiber parts. It can be done with simple tools and some vacuum bags for next to nothing. People literally make carbon fiber parts in their garages for their hobby cars/motorcycles. Of course it will be way more expensive if it's made in a factory, but that's not what I was talking about.
@@mathiasnkristensen Prepreg has no advantages of weight compared to fiberglass. Prepreg is very heavy, the lightest carbon fiber is made in autoclaves and layered with fresh glue.
You've got to put lighter wheels on the Plaid. It made a noticeable difference in mine. That's the single best bang for the buck you can do at this point, and it's the first one (since it has the greatest impact) people typically do. Swap out the brakes and calipers as well and you'll be rockin'!
It's not just the front end that helps with aero. The back end is just as important. You want all that air that gets separated in the front by the bumper, hood and underbody to rejoin as smoothly as posible in the back. Think of the cross-section of an airplane wing. If you don't have panels on the side or closeouts on the back that rejoin the air smoothly (think boat-tail), you just get massive turbulent flow in the back and a pocket of low pressure air, which means lots of drag. This is what happens with semis and those flat vertical surfaces, and why many of them have those flap things in the back that rejoin the air more smoothly. The more teardrop shaped it is, the more aerodynamic, the less drag, and hence higher speed you'll get.
Exactly, and those ducts they covered at the front are the air curtains for the front wheels. Although, those probably aren't useful anyway since they removed the side panels. Still wouldn't cover them up as that could mess with the front aero
That's why I think they should use Aircraft Dope, it weighs next to nothing and it's been proven at speeds the Tesla will never reach (like a Hurricane WW2 fighter could go 340mph) (With the metal skin it went 80mph faster than fabric so the fabric should be good for 260mph)
@@rocker05090 Ha! Yeah, that does almost nothing. But the big open back is like a giant vacuum sucking you backward at high speed. Like putting sunscreen on the tip of your nose and nowhere else, then sitting out in the sun for 10 hours with only shorts on.
Have you looked into monitoring temperatures and power through a CANBUS reader. This motors and battery are really temperature dependent. If you get the S3XY buttons from Abstract Ocean you can fully monitor temperatures and HP in real-time.
Or Scan My Tesla, that one can use a bunch of different OBD dongles. Reads out temps, torque, voltage on basically everything. Also shows power limit which is important
@@chengcao418 the S3XY buttons can use the Scan My Tesla app as well. Any of them will work it is just that the S3XY buttons can do a lot more like “preconditioning on demand”.
Temperature does have affects, buth clearly You do NOT work within Tesla, nor have the proper basic information correct with the operation of electricity, electric motors, batteries and these systems. Good Luck within Your realm, world of contrived nonsense, non-reality !!
Polycarbonate would probably be the most durable option. Try to get as close to the original form as possible, and limit sharp angles, as those could cause seperation. Don't forget to check the final aero with wool tufts, and see where improvements can be made.
Love James' thinking. I suggested an F1 style barge board/winglets for the same reasons (+tyres), Controlling the air around the car will do almost as much as streamlineing but keep the look.
Just passing along some knowledge u can gut out the doors that were taken off then build a custom roof with one of the other body panels to not only make it look better, but keep it from ripping apart while keeping the aero that came from when u guys were using the tape
@GRANITEMONUMENT that's what happens when you constantly changing and returning your vehicle to set it up. Do you think people like Beater Bomb just made that car over night? Or KC Maxx? No. They have a team and they test and test and test for YEARS.
tbh suggesting better grip and aero isn't rocket science, he's just got the intuition. i don't even do this and i was saying almost exactly the same things. his attitude and how he does it though, he's undeniably a good human. smart too.
well removing the rear panels of the car is kinda stupid in itself though. Yes, it saves weight, but it also adds tons of drag and creates turbulent airflows at the rear with acts as a vaccuum and sucks the car back at higher speeds. If you want it to be as aerodynamic as possible they should've added custom bodywork to make it more of a teardrop shape, like an airplane wing, or basically like a Mclaren Speedtail for a reference.
Stoked to see this car evolve! Being able to capture data from the car would really help confirm if the performance is constant between runs. You can measure current draw from the battery pack with a shunt resistor.
Even though James broke the wago he's always there all the time with good advice, actively helping and teaching. He's a good dude. Good sport about the joke too
Literally what I said in previous video using very thin guage steel or aluminum to direct the air flow clean around the car! Glad to see your making that decision for next time!
You turned the stability control way up at spectator drags before it rained out. It sounds like it’s hooking better because the TC is working better, see if turning it off returns the 60ft
Honestly would love to see you guys fab a full aero shell for the car. Even if its cheap as dirt plywood/plastic it would be really interesting to see!
@@hpijeep probably a lot of it was, however they took off a lot of structural components which are no longer needed and that would shave off a lot of weight plus it was made for practicality and looks, not so much aerodynamics definitely some improvement that can happen imo
Yea the aero is good, it also is meant to cool off components which creates drag and isn’t entirely necessary due to short duration. I’d tape up all the seams, spread it down with release agent and lay up a carbon shell right over the top (might have to make some relief cuts to be able to remove the shell). It would be hard to design a more aerodynamic shape than factory but this thing can still lose some weight while retaining the aerodynamics they currently have.
I think that if you’re gonna use the wrap on the roof and maybe towards the back, instead of going sideways you should go from front to back and starting from the outsides (door frame to center) first and finishing towards the center. This will help with the winds drag and also prevent it from falling apart so easily
Man, Teslas are just the sickest cars. Imagine how much more potential there is. E.g. stripping batteries down to just what is needed for the races. Would be such a big weight saving. Also software settings, dispension optimized for the much lower weight and so on. Still lots of potential for optimization
Nah. There is a reason no one collabs with him. Cause he is not likeable. Ask the other 4 people who used to work with him. It's sad honestly. I wish he was just the kid in his garage street racing.
@@genore1993In all seriousness, this is what happens when a kid street racing out of his garage becomes successful. He’s still a kid man, a successful one but he’s obviously just getting planted in life. How many friends/people that you used to see every day are long gone? Because I’d bad mouth the majority of those people in my life, for specific reasons that is. But people grow apart; some people are just hard to get along with, whatever the reasons may be.
@@genore1993 Cletus McFarland every freedom 500, Adam Iz shopping cart, JH diesel iet boat vs air Boat, Vargas brothers sidekick, and pfi speed but that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head and I’m sure there’s plenty more.
@@genore1993man… did Kyle not sign your hat at an event or something? He seems to collab with all the best people on TH-cam. Bet you’d say Brent from PFI is a jerk in real life too huh?
well u mean fully body made out of carbon fiber. They could do everything out of carbon like the Rimac Nevera... I mean u can exchange all metal parts with carbon mostly... But its expensive to do so
Funny how I almost didn't even notice the sound at the beginning, this thing really needs a suspension sponsor and you're gonna have to learn battery power stuff
It has active suspension. You dont get much better than that. Programmed perfect launches. Fueltech ecu on the inverter drive will sort alot of things. I sense that is next.
You should look into using aviation wrap used on old wooden fuselages! The modern ones are very easy to install! You’d only need a temperature specific iron and a low temperature heat gun! You use the iron to attach the adhesive (on one side of the polyester sheet) to the frame. You then use the heat gun to shrink it all and it pulls tight!!! It’s definitely more durable and you can even layer it and attach it to itself in a way where it can’t peel. The older methods use a fabric and paint. At that point just do carbon fiber or fiberglass. Lol
This is a great idea! Wrap the exoskeleton in the same wrap/fabric used for Cubs and other light sport/Experimental planes like Carbon Cub/Super Cubs. Will be even lighter than aluminum and have the same effect.
I've been saying since the start, improve aero, improve time. Heavy duty tarps, gromets and strong zipties and you can makeshift it tight, but if you got the $ carbon fiber.
Keep that thing charged as best you can between runs. The higher the voltage (closer to 100% SoC) the more power you'll put down. It's minimal, but makes a difference. If the track has a 14-50R outlet somewhere (they probably do) you can use the mobile connector between runs.
isnt Lithium batteries best feature that it can hold the set voltage up till they die. When tesla isnt turning down power at like 30% or 10% to safe power then it should be fine.
When you do the plastic wrap, make sure you tape the ends on the front really good to stop it from peeling up. Make sure the surface is clean when you put on the tape and if you want some good tape, use the stuff from the hardware store that’s meant to tape carpet down. That’s the stickiest tape I’ve ever used was carpet tape. It’s usally just a big roll of black tape lol.
how about molding plastic panels theirself just for areo? its not liek crash saftey is a thing anymore at this point. maybe even cardboard can work for the sides which maybe dont get a whole lot of beatign by the wind
Aerodynamics is so much more than how it pushes into the wind, it's also about how the air collapses at the rear. I think simply adding lightweight structure to mimic a teardrop shape could help significantly. Nevermind, that wrap halfway through the video was exactly what I thought might help.
Great content! One thing I was thinking about was using the Long range gearing of 9:1 vs the plaid 7.25:1 then as wide and sticky tires as it takes to not spin. Could do mid 8s and possibly 1.Os 60’ times. Would limit top speed to around 175 I think.
Isn't the gearing directly inside the motor, though? I'm not sure, but I don't think you can switch out the gears. The plaid has a completely different motor setup.
You could drop the weight a lot by replacing the long range pack with a custom much smaller lipo pack. Good Lipos can easily handle 30C continous discharge so you could achieve the same power at a much smaller capacity. 30C is 2 minutes from full to empty.
Definitely, but that'd be quite a technical and involved process I think, even if the Plaid system would allow it. I don't think Kyle/Wyatt are clued-up on that sort of thing (very few are).
@@alesksander Not really 50k. A pack made up from some of the best lipos (SLS 20C/40C 12000 cells) and 407 V 46 Ah would cost ~9 600 Euro without VAT for the battery alone. Let's say 10 000 euro. It would be either a LOT of work to wire it up to a BMS though, or just annoying to manually charge 11 big batteries (10S packs in 3P configuration) separately before a session. It's perfectly doable without a BMS if the Tesla computer can be tricked to work with it. The battery would weigh ~84 kg (~185 lbs) compared to 480 kg for the stock Plaid pack. some weight would have to be put back in to add an empty battery box to the bottom of the car for structural purposes.
Regardless if this kind of build as everyone's cup of tea it's doing what it's supposed to and getting attention I've seen your videos pop up in places I've never seen them.. keep it up and see just how fast you can take it...
@@24kNickthey are they're building a full tube chassis rear-wheel-drive Civic with a 2JZ😂 how often do you see that? I like it cuz it's completely outside their comfort zone as far as engine and drivetrain and all that it's good for him to try new things a k-series would have takin a beating trying to put out the power they're going to be trying to run every pass.. they would be right on that failure line so I'm glad they went this route
@@freedomfox8183 I knew that already . And I have been part of import drag racing all of my life so I actually know about this shit . First off there have been tube chassis rwd civics K series powered already running 6 seconds , sure the 2jz is cool , but there isn’t a class that it can compete in , it can’t run WCF bc it’s would have to be a 5 second car to be competitive it will never run that with that chassis and that power level . It can’t run street car events bc it’s tube chassis , it can’t run OSW import races bc again it would need to be a 5 second car to be competitive and it’s tube chassis , also k series have ran 5 second passes without a billet head . You’re saying “ how often do you seen that ? “ I see the fastest import cars on the planet buddy . We’re you there at the Pan Americans Nationals ? Do you even know what that is ? Do you ever hear these guys talk about it ? This will be a drag week car at best .
Zero chance youre actually reading this comment, but if you do 3 things.. 1. Your body work to fill in the gaps is literally just to direct airflow so thin plastic sheeting/stiffened fabric is all you need. Barring the very thinnest sheet alu will be adding more weight than you need. 2. Regarding 'shape' look at the McLaren speedtail and try your best to match that 'long & smooth' look on all your transition surfaces 3. Wheels. Firstly make sure theyre covered so youre not spinning air off them. Secondly, if you can, try to enclose them and/or put the flat deflectors on them. The "aero" trims that come as an option add 8 miles range.. and theyre definitely not adding that range by being lighter, theyre adding it by being aero. Only reason youd worry is making sure youve got enough airflow over your discs to cool but ig youre just doing drag runs then brake fade not an issue.
That heat shrinking wrap for rc planes would be the trick, and they make some super tough and sticky polyethylene pipe tape that would work at any speed😊
Consider lowering the gearing a bit by running smaller wheels, you're probably maxing out the torque on the stock size wheels. With smaller wheels you'll get more torque and reach peak powet quicker, as long as you dont reach max rpm it should be quicker. Also, get an obd2 scanner or install some sensors like temp-probes and amp-meters yourself to figure out where the difference in performance comes from (is it traction-control, motor/inverter/battery-temps, when does it hit max power, is it pulling back up top, etc) Awesome build tho! Looking forward to see how this develops
If he adds more torque he’ll just end up spinning even more on the launch. The only reason he spins at all is because the car is lighter than the original. The Tesla is fine tuned to be the perfect balance of torque and speed adding any more torque would just make it harder to reign in.
@@shanembradshaw sure the ignorant have no proper, correct, valid ideas, concepts, principles about arrows, aero, aerodynamics, physics, forces, traction, electronics, batteries, weight nor the differences either !!
IMO the cart thing has been done to death and this has all been kinda dumb. I know it sounds pretty dick and my apologies but you pretty much just made a slower car and it’s more or less a dead end performance wise since you can only do do much and that’s it. I guess I just expected something way cooler when you said you were doing something epic with the Plaid like putting the drivetrain in something really original, this is quite lack luster.
this kind of stupid thing happens when a channel runs out of content to put out, they make stupid decisions. They took a nice, amazing, expensive car that only needed some minor repairs done to it and completely fucked it up just to get some clicks on the internet.
I was gonna say in the last video that lexan or acrylic panels would work well, atleast on the roof and hatch area. Also looks good with the speed holes cut out of the rear tire arch Phong would be proud.
I'd recommend finding something lightweight but rigid to cover the rest of the chassis, but model it after some old race cars that have the flat rear end. Even if you have to make a polycarb door 😂
The honda "badge" hits home for me. Because, I'm a chevy guy through and through. I work as a mechanic for a cab company, I got a crown vic as a shop car/company car. But being I'm a chevy guy. I have a big ass chevy bowtie on my forearm. I had it placed so when I got my arm on the door like one does when driving cause all of my vehicles are chevy or gm related. And yeah I want ppl to know I choose the chevy life, and love it! Lmao. But anyways the vic got debaged, and I put chevy emblems and a caprice badge on it just for the simple reasons. I can't have a big ass bow tie and bhe seen in a ford. Lmao. And if you care to know. It's slammed 3 3/4 inches off the ground from frame to ground. All blacked head lights tail lights. The front bumper is gone due to being so low and the bumpers so long that it just caught on every driveway/entrance. It also has 3-12 inch subs 2 tens and a 8. With 4 8×6s in the doors. She's pretty sick looking and sounding if i say so. Witch is only because I couldn't drive a ford that didn't atleast look half way decent. Lol. And yes it's got a caprice badge. But I call 'er my chevy vic. Not a crown vic a CHEVY VIC. If I could post pics I would. Lol
Fix the camber in the rear tires and you will have more traction. In the video it looks like the outer portion of the tire isn't even touching the ground.
I believe your issue is in the frequency of the sample taking of the velocimeter. The problem is that your car accelerates faster than typical. In order to calculate correctly your actual speed: use multiple speed sensors, preferably laser and sample at the maximum possible speed. Using Radar now? Maybe a stand alone unit near the finish line. Even multiple thru beams broken in sequence and displayed with a traceable calibration from Bureau of Standards. A little side note I was behind a Honda was doing 62 in a HOV lane that usually rolls at 85+.mph. Highway patrol behind me advised I hit over 100 mph in my stock 786 hp. Mod. S before I was even with the Hondas front bumper. Cop let me go, he has a Tesla too. Love your videos! Thanks
i would assume there are quite some losses from the traction control beeing too conservative on the race tires. If you see/hear no slipping at all its likely not giving as much torque as it could, right?
Dude!!!! You need to use aircraft tape! It’s rated for the speeds you need to not blow offf like that plastic you used. But you have the exact right idea!!!!
Love how James rolls up and starts saying what we need to do. Not only becomes part of the team he is the instant team boss. The dude is a good Human.
Imagine he leaves cleetus and comes to Kyle's channel.
@@fast97z24 doubt that would ever happen, james is well taken care off with cleetus dont think kyle makes enought to convince james to switch
@@MT-qu4tk hence the imagine
@fast97z24 that wouldn't ever happen. Unfortunately noones on the same level as cleeter in terms of lifestyle those guys have.
it shows once again how big and beautiful their group of friends is.
it doesn't matter if you drive a v8, honda or a tesla, they are there for you and come up with ideas to make it better faster and more beautiful.
That intro 😂😂😂
Yup I thought for a sec HOW
That’s the kind of editing Whistlindiesel does haha.
Man I straight didn’t even notice until the sound went away🤣🤣🤣 i was busting up
Best intro 😂
"Nice Honda"
Man I would love to see carbon fiber bodywork that clips on to the roll cage that ends with a ducktail to maximize aero! Killer content guys love your work!!
Could just do fiberglass to be cheap and it would be just fine
@@joey_f4ke238Carbon basically costs the same as fiber glass when making it yourself.
@@mathiasnkristensenbro I don’t mean to sound disrespectful but do you have any idea of the cost of making carbon fiber? The ovens, the hours involved… CF is more expensive for a reason. Plus it would weigh more like 80 lbs (assuming a CF shell would weight around 550 pounds) which defeats the whole cut weight process…
@@brunosantospereiraa it depends on how you make it. Is it normal resin on carbon, prepreg or infusion? You don't necessarily need an oven to make carbon fiber parts. It can be done with simple tools and some vacuum bags for next to nothing. People literally make carbon fiber parts in their garages for their hobby cars/motorcycles.
Of course it will be way more expensive if it's made in a factory, but that's not what I was talking about.
@@mathiasnkristensen Prepreg has no advantages of weight compared to fiberglass. Prepreg is very heavy, the lightest carbon fiber is made in autoclaves and layered with fresh glue.
You've got to put lighter wheels on the Plaid. It made a noticeable difference in mine. That's the single best bang for the buck you can do at this point, and it's the first one (since it has the greatest impact) people typically do. Swap out the brakes and calipers as well and you'll be rockin'!
Lightweight brake disc
Just get rid of the breaks and calipers! Don't need them where we're going :D
at least bring the chute 😆@@zalphoid1652
The joy on your faces when you picked up a mile an hour after wrapping the car. So much love.
It's not just the front end that helps with aero. The back end is just as important. You want all that air that gets separated in the front by the bumper, hood and underbody to rejoin as smoothly as posible in the back. Think of the cross-section of an airplane wing. If you don't have panels on the side or closeouts on the back that rejoin the air smoothly (think boat-tail), you just get massive turbulent flow in the back and a pocket of low pressure air, which means lots of drag. This is what happens with semis and those flat vertical surfaces, and why many of them have those flap things in the back that rejoin the air more smoothly. The more teardrop shaped it is, the more aerodynamic, the less drag, and hence higher speed you'll get.
Exactly, and those ducts they covered at the front are the air curtains for the front wheels. Although, those probably aren't useful anyway since they removed the side panels. Still wouldn't cover them up as that could mess with the front aero
yep was thinking that cutting the rear out would produce heaps of drag
Hey, at least he taped the panel gaps…
That's why I think they should use Aircraft Dope, it weighs next to nothing and it's been proven at speeds the Tesla will never reach (like a Hurricane WW2 fighter could go 340mph) (With the metal skin it went 80mph faster than fabric so the fabric should be good for 260mph)
@@rocker05090 Ha! Yeah, that does almost nothing. But the big open back is like a giant vacuum sucking you backward at high speed. Like putting sunscreen on the tip of your nose and nowhere else, then sitting out in the sun for 10 hours with only shorts on.
james is literally a GIFT to racing. i love that guy. you should get some double adjustable shocks for the rear and set it up on a 28" radial.
I’m sure if they figured out how to fool the stock air suspension it could be an improvement
Have you looked into monitoring temperatures and power through a CANBUS reader. This motors and battery are really temperature dependent. If you get the S3XY buttons from Abstract Ocean you can fully monitor temperatures and HP in real-time.
Is there anything less ghey?
Or Scan My Tesla, that one can use a bunch of different OBD dongles. Reads out temps, torque, voltage on basically everything. Also shows power limit which is important
@@chengcao418 the S3XY buttons can use the Scan My Tesla app as well. Any of them will work it is just that the S3XY buttons can do a lot more like “preconditioning on demand”.
in the next 2 years probably less superconductivity will fix this issue its going to be insane
Temperature does have affects, buth clearly You do NOT work within Tesla, nor have the proper basic information correct with the operation of electricity, electric motors, batteries and these systems. Good Luck within Your realm, world of contrived nonsense, non-reality !!
Polycarbonate would probably be the most durable option. Try to get as close to the original form as possible, and limit sharp angles, as those could cause seperation. Don't forget to check the final aero with wool tufts, and see where improvements can be made.
i would love to see yall use the same stuff as ultralight aircraft, that film will be more than strong enough and would look really sick
You guys are probably gonna have an entire custom shell for E-Roy by the end of this
They need to build a boat tail… that would be sweet
A whole mk1 Insight's worth of carbon fibre panels?
@@RC-fp1tl Mclaren Speedtail is what you're looking for 😎
No problem let’s just buy a 50k carbon Tesla body ay, hope your chipping in
A custom aero shell made of carbon fiber would probably make them hit like 158mph tbh.
James is truly the dream gearhead buddy lol. always so positive and helping everyone do their best
James is a smart mofo. Love the tesla content and love the science fair type bodywork at the track. Awesome
That Man Is A Gem! James Is Legendary 👏🏽
James is like 80% confident and 20% smart
Love James' thinking.
I suggested an F1 style barge board/winglets for the same reasons (+tyres), Controlling the air around the car will do almost as much as streamlineing but keep the look.
Use ziptyes to create a "net" on the cage and the use the plastic wrap.
I think you save a lot of weight vs the aluminum sheet
Tesla engineers would have told these hillbillies right from the very beginning... IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
The best aerodynamic shape for sub sonic is a teardrop. Having the back of your car open is creating drag and turbulence.
Just passing along some knowledge u can gut out the doors that were taken off then build a custom roof with one of the other body panels to not only make it look better, but keep it from ripping apart while keeping the aero that came from when u guys were using the tape
James is so knowledgeable in so much with aerodynamics and track condition it’s amazing
If he could just focus on keeping his own front tires on the ground, he’d be doing something!!
@GRANITEMONUMENT that's what happens when you constantly changing and returning your vehicle to set it up. Do you think people like Beater Bomb just made that car over night? Or KC Maxx? No. They have a team and they test and test and test for YEARS.
@@llamacebu216nowadays it's digital or you don't win
tbh suggesting better grip and aero isn't rocket science, he's just got the intuition. i don't even do this and i was saying almost exactly the same things. his attitude and how he does it though, he's undeniably a good human. smart too.
well removing the rear panels of the car is kinda stupid in itself though. Yes, it saves weight, but it also adds tons of drag and creates turbulent airflows at the rear with acts as a vaccuum and sucks the car back at higher speeds. If you want it to be as aerodynamic as possible they should've added custom bodywork to make it more of a teardrop shape, like an airplane wing, or basically like a Mclaren Speedtail for a reference.
Make some plexiglass aero panels for it! Would be so sick
Hell yeah lexan for the win lol
This was my initial thought too
Is carbon lighter? Aluminum is cheapest but carbon would be cool. Plexi too if you can keep the weight gains
Carbon is lighter, and lexan is flimsy.
Had fun watching this. Love Jackstand, such a good listen when he’s around. Blake seems like a real good dude.
You got two good dudes helping you go faster. Blake and James have good vibes.
Stoked to see this car evolve! Being able to capture data from the car would really help confirm if the performance is constant between runs. You can measure current draw from the battery pack with a shunt resistor.
Drag increases with speed^2, power to overcome drag increases at speed^3. Nice to see the effects of aero improvements.
Friction is such a drag.
Even though James broke the wago he's always there all the time with good advice, actively helping and teaching. He's a good dude. Good sport about the joke too
You’re hungry I see
I'm guessing that comment used to say WAGU before it was edited 😂
That lightning exactly when the two Tesla's cross the finish was absolutely epic
13:45 "How much is left? Use it" Bro is so chill
Literally what I said in previous video using very thin guage steel or aluminum to direct the air flow clean around the car! Glad to see your making that decision for next time!
You turned the stability control way up at spectator drags before it rained out. It sounds like it’s hooking better because the TC is working better, see if turning it off returns the 60ft
Honestly would love to see you guys fab a full aero shell for the car. Even if its cheap as dirt plywood/plastic it would be really interesting to see!
I agree, even if you just lay some layers of fiberglass mat and slap some resin on it and see if it can candle the wind 💯
Was thinking the same thing
It would be crazy but remake the original body in fiberglass or other lightweight material and you will get there. Keep it up Kyle!
they could get aluminum sheeting or thin plexiglass
I’m curious what the body was. I feel like it was a lightweight material?
@@hpijeep probably a lot of it was, however they took off a lot of structural components which are no longer needed and that would shave off a lot of weight
plus it was made for practicality and looks, not so much aerodynamics
definitely some improvement that can happen imo
Teslas are some of the most low drag cars produced. Would take a shit ton of work to get close to that again
Yea the aero is good, it also is meant to cool off components which creates drag and isn’t entirely necessary due to short duration. I’d tape up all the seams, spread it down with release agent and lay up a carbon shell right over the top (might have to make some relief cuts to be able to remove the shell). It would be hard to design a more aerodynamic shape than factory but this thing can still lose some weight while retaining the aerodynamics they currently have.
I think that if you’re gonna use the wrap on the roof and maybe towards the back, instead of going sideways you should go from front to back and starting from the outsides (door frame to center) first and finishing towards the center. This will help with the winds drag and also prevent it from falling apart so easily
Man, Teslas are just the sickest cars. Imagine how much more potential there is. E.g. stripping batteries down to just what is needed for the races. Would be such a big weight saving. Also software settings, dispension optimized for the much lower weight and so on. Still lots of potential for optimization
Blake and Brent are brothers from different mothers. Keep being rad! I like the shift to EV. Kyle doesn't miss gears in ERoy
Nothing to like about it, especially when soon enough most cars will have the same 800hp-1000hp.
Kyle, you just keep getting better buddy! I hope you’re enjoying the life you live and thanks for taking us along for the ride!
Nah. There is a reason no one collabs with him. Cause he is not likeable. Ask the other 4 people who used to work with him. It's sad honestly. I wish he was just the kid in his garage street racing.
@@genore1993 where are u getting this from
@@genore1993In all seriousness, this is what happens when a kid street racing out of his garage becomes successful. He’s still a kid man, a successful one but he’s obviously just getting planted in life. How many friends/people that you used to see every day are long gone? Because I’d bad mouth the majority of those people in my life, for specific reasons that is. But people grow apart; some people are just hard to get along with, whatever the reasons may be.
@@genore1993 Cletus
McFarland every freedom
500, Adam Iz shopping cart,
JH diesel iet boat vs air
Boat, Vargas brothers sidekick, and pfi speed but that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head and I’m sure there’s plenty more.
@@genore1993man… did Kyle not sign your hat at an event or something? He seems to collab with all the best people on TH-cam. Bet you’d say Brent from PFI is a jerk in real life too huh?
Would be bad ass to see you guys make your own custom body style. Mess around with fiberglass or carbon fiber and create your own body panels.
I thinik it's cool as an E-Leroy
well u mean fully body made out of carbon fiber. They could do everything out of carbon like the Rimac Nevera... I mean u can exchange all metal parts with carbon mostly... But its expensive to do so
No I meant what I said.
Nobody has time for that
R u sure about that they are TH-camrs if anyone has time in the world for that it’s definitely TH-camrs 😂
Amazing work 👏 The intro hooked me, line and sinker 🎣
The backdraw or low pressure in the cabin is killing it. 13:18
Literally love James! Best guy ever!! Such a humble dude in person too! He never changes up
Let’s go James!You always make stuff happen . Love the content!
That's what MSH Racing stands for
Funny how I almost didn't even notice the sound at the beginning, this thing really needs a suspension sponsor and you're gonna have to learn battery power stuff
Kirchhoff's Law let's go.
QA1 does good sponsorship deals for youtubers and actually hold some world records
It has active suspension. You dont get much better than that. Programmed perfect launches. Fueltech ecu on the inverter drive will sort alot of things. I sense that is next.
@Jake_Hamlin would be good promo for both parties tbh
Up the voltage and rewind the motors 🥳👍🏼
This car must be so fun to drive
Damn I haven't seen any content from this channel in so long. I'm glad I came across it, I forgot how much I like this channel. Thanks kyle
You should look into using aviation wrap used on old wooden fuselages! The modern ones are very easy to install! You’d only need a temperature specific iron and a low temperature heat gun! You use the iron to attach the adhesive (on one side of the polyester sheet) to the frame. You then use the heat gun to shrink it all and it pulls tight!!! It’s definitely more durable and you can even layer it and attach it to itself in a way where it can’t peel. The older methods use a fabric and paint. At that point just do carbon fiber or fiberglass. Lol
This is a great idea! Wrap the exoskeleton in the same wrap/fabric used for Cubs and other light sport/Experimental planes like Carbon Cub/Super Cubs. Will be even lighter than aluminum and have the same effect.
It's called monokote... would you be able to get it to stay stuck to the metal tho is the question...
@@angelusmortis3256 haha I’d probably just stick to Ceconite or superflite it’s still easy to install with adhesive cement and an iron.
when you have such a predicable platform, making changes really gets amplified, very cool to watch very entertaining
This is a great point, electric cars besides the battery charge state have no variables aside from what they’re changing
Kyle devastated that he didn’t need to destroy a perfectly good car to break records 😂
They still needed to take lots of weight out of it. Otherwise, the other Plaid would have been even with him on every pass.
@@jeffpicken5057my plaid is full body and is even quicker by the way
@@jeffpicken5057 yup take some weight out, but taking the body off was silly.
A guy in my Country ran 8.6 sec with slicks, full weight.@@jeffpicken5057
@@TeslaPlaidRacing Pour vrai c'est fou à quel point la votre est bien configuré pour le drag! :) Vous êtes sa coche les boys!
I've been saying since the start, improve aero, improve time. Heavy duty tarps, gromets and strong zipties and you can makeshift it tight, but if you got the $ carbon fiber.
Keep that thing charged as best you can between runs. The higher the voltage (closer to 100% SoC) the more power you'll put down. It's minimal, but makes a difference. If the track has a 14-50R outlet somewhere (they probably do) you can use the mobile connector between runs.
isnt Lithium batteries best feature that it can hold the set voltage up till they die. When tesla isnt turning down power at like 30% or 10% to safe power then it should be fine.
Loving how quickly you're able to kick out content on E-Roy! I'm a new subscriber, but I love the pacing of the channel.
Awesome! James is always excited for all builds and happy to share some knowledge
The lightning striking in the background whilst electric vehicles were launching just felt so cool lol.(9:44)
Should be in a Tesla ad.
Will be interesting to follow with the tweaks to come. Good job guys!
9:46 that clip with the lightning in the background as they cross the finish line signifying the power of electricity 😩
Yessir! Boosted Boiz @ Night! 🔥🔥🔥
You guys gotta make a full shell body with those little pins that RC cars use to hold the body on. That would be too funny.
Imagine a whole full scale rc lexan body on there.
Full on funnycar mode, just a shell.
excited to see the outcome of e roy, cool to see you replace the wrap with some lighter material, some type of diy. would be sick keep it up!
When you do the plastic wrap, make sure you tape the ends on the front really good to stop it from peeling up. Make sure the surface is clean when you put on the tape and if you want some good tape, use the stuff from the hardware store that’s meant to tape carpet down. That’s the stickiest tape I’ve ever used was carpet tape. It’s usally just a big roll of black tape lol.
Love it when James is on the video. I don't feel like we see enough of him anymore.
Did anyone else notice the lightning as soon as both of the electric cars hit the finish line? Perfect timing. 😂
loving the content honestly my fav series in a long time
James always wanted to try body panels on Leroy, he's real excited about this
how about molding plastic panels theirself just for areo? its not liek crash saftey is a thing anymore at this point. maybe even cardboard can work for the sides which maybe dont get a whole lot of beatign by the wind
13:37 James is Such a Legend Super Nice Guy & A True Petrol Head… 🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
Aerodynamics is so much more than how it pushes into the wind, it's also about how the air collapses at the rear. I think simply adding lightweight structure to mimic a teardrop shape could help significantly.
Nevermind, that wrap halfway through the video was exactly what I thought might help.
Great content! One thing I was thinking about was using the Long range gearing of 9:1 vs the plaid 7.25:1 then as wide and sticky tires as it takes to not spin. Could do mid 8s and possibly 1.Os 60’ times. Would limit top speed to around 175 I think.
Would the “speed controller” know what to do if you did that? Sounds like a super cool idea. Not much use goin over 170 anyways lol.
Isn't the gearing directly inside the motor, though? I'm not sure, but I don't think you can switch out the gears. The plaid has a completely different motor setup.
Plaid has two rear motors versus one for the long range he could change whee and tire l sizes to effectively change gearing.
Same gear ratio, plaid motors are carbon wrapped to not explode at high rpm. Oust the lard 21s at least. Borrow one of Blake's tire sets
@@aerickvesereu1796 correct but the gear reduction works the same. Take a look at Munro tear down, pretty cool.
You could drop the weight a lot by replacing the long range pack with a custom much smaller lipo pack. Good Lipos can easily handle 30C continous discharge so you could achieve the same power at a much smaller capacity. 30C is 2 minutes from full to empty.
Yeah but that's easily 50k ++
Definitely, but that'd be quite a technical and involved process I think, even if the Plaid system would allow it. I don't think Kyle/Wyatt are clued-up on that sort of thing (very few are).
@@UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ Essentially he wants too build Rimac Nevera car. XD
@@alesksander Not really 50k. A pack made up from some of the best lipos (SLS 20C/40C 12000 cells) and 407 V 46 Ah would cost ~9 600 Euro without VAT for the battery alone. Let's say 10 000 euro. It would be either a LOT of work to wire it up to a BMS though, or just annoying to manually charge 11 big batteries (10S packs in 3P configuration) separately before a session. It's perfectly doable without a BMS if the Tesla computer can be tricked to work with it. The battery would weigh ~84 kg (~185 lbs) compared to 480 kg for the stock Plaid pack. some weight would have to be put back in to add an empty battery box to the bottom of the car for structural purposes.
@@tahustvedt Can u pull sufficient C rating with such small battery?
Regardless if this kind of build as everyone's cup of tea it's doing what it's supposed to and getting attention I've seen your videos pop up in places I've never seen them.. keep it up and see just how fast you can take it...
I hope they use the revenue from these tesla videos to build something interesting
@@24kNickthey are they're building a full tube chassis rear-wheel-drive Civic with a 2JZ😂 how often do you see that? I like it cuz it's completely outside their comfort zone as far as engine and drivetrain and all that it's good for him to try new things a k-series would have takin a beating trying to put out the power they're going to be trying to run every pass.. they would be right on that failure line so I'm glad they went this route
@@freedomfox8183 I knew that already . And I have been part of import drag racing all of my life so I actually know about this shit . First off there have been tube chassis rwd civics K series powered already running 6 seconds , sure the 2jz is cool , but there isn’t a class that it can compete in , it can’t run WCF bc it’s would have to be a 5 second car to be competitive it will never run that with that chassis and that power level . It can’t run street car events bc it’s tube chassis , it can’t run OSW import races bc again it would need to be a 5 second car to be competitive and it’s tube chassis , also k series have ran 5 second passes without a billet head . You’re saying “ how often do you seen that ? “ I see the fastest import cars on the planet buddy . We’re you there at the Pan Americans Nationals ? Do you even know what that is ? Do you ever hear these guys talk about it ? This will be a drag week car at best .
Zero chance youre actually reading this comment, but if you do 3 things..
1. Your body work to fill in the gaps is literally just to direct airflow so thin plastic sheeting/stiffened fabric is all you need. Barring the very thinnest sheet alu will be adding more weight than you need.
2. Regarding 'shape' look at the McLaren speedtail and try your best to match that 'long & smooth' look on all your transition surfaces
3. Wheels. Firstly make sure theyre covered so youre not spinning air off them. Secondly, if you can, try to enclose them and/or put the flat deflectors on them. The "aero" trims that come as an option add 8 miles range.. and theyre definitely not adding that range by being lighter, theyre adding it by being aero. Only reason youd worry is making sure youve got enough airflow over your discs to cool but ig youre just doing drag runs then brake fade not an issue.
Try the top and doors with acrylic Glass
That might help
That heat shrinking wrap for rc planes would be the trick, and they make some super tough and sticky polyethylene pipe tape that would work at any speed😊
Consider lowering the gearing a bit by running smaller wheels, you're probably maxing out the torque on the stock size wheels. With smaller wheels you'll get more torque and reach peak powet quicker, as long as you dont reach max rpm it should be quicker.
Also, get an obd2 scanner or install some sensors like temp-probes and amp-meters yourself to figure out where the difference in performance comes from (is it traction-control, motor/inverter/battery-temps, when does it hit max power, is it pulling back up top, etc)
Awesome build tho! Looking forward to see how this develops
If he adds more torque he’ll just end up spinning even more on the launch. The only reason he spins at all is because the car is lighter than the original. The Tesla is fine tuned to be the perfect balance of torque and speed adding any more torque would just make it harder to reign in.
It won’t hit max RPM. The top speed is like 217MPH or something. Quarter mile trap is in the 150s
Where’s he going to plug the obd2 scanner into big brain? Tesla’s don’t have ob2 ports….
@@francurran Tesla has ODB2 port
The setting you changed at the freedom factory for the traction control - would that have made a difference?
I love the external mic, easy to hear talking, but it does need some fine tuning, but its much better 🙌🏼
Looks like a closed toe sandal!😂
I'm really loving the Tesla content! Keep it up!
13:20 he's 100% correct with the arrow around the doors. you should watch how they made the fastest skater on ice for a good zero drag designs. :)
arrow?
@@shanembradshaw sure the ignorant have no proper, correct, valid ideas, concepts, principles about arrows, aero, aerodynamics, physics, forces, traction, electronics, batteries, weight nor the differences either !!
IMO the cart thing has been done to death and this has all been kinda dumb. I know it sounds pretty dick and my apologies but you pretty much just made a slower car and it’s more or less a dead end performance wise since you can only do do much and that’s it. I guess I just expected something way cooler when you said you were doing something epic with the Plaid like putting the drivetrain in something really original, this is quite lack luster.
this kind of stupid thing happens when a channel runs out of content to put out, they make stupid decisions. They took a nice, amazing, expensive car that only needed some minor repairs done to it and completely fucked it up just to get some clicks on the internet.
13:21 Yep, I was thinking turbulent flow as well; the car needs to be wind tunnelled to optimise air flow. 13:43 Yes!
should make a fiberglass shell for it
I was gonna say in the last video that lexan or acrylic panels would work well, atleast on the roof and hatch area.
Also looks good with the speed holes cut out of the rear tire arch Phong would be proud.
You 'at least ' ideas lack basis within the principle of physics !! Good Luck
Looks badass love the content!good luck on low 8s
Rios whole body off. Destroying the car. Proceeds to now install hand made body panels.......
This has been such a great experiment and I'm looking forward to the rest!
That cage has almost zero triangulation. Death trap if there’s a crash. I’m amazed it passes tech.
Man that Tesla sounds insane!! It's got that cam!! 🔥🔥🔥
I think I would rather you just take a vacation
Boring
I'd recommend finding something lightweight but rigid to cover the rest of the chassis, but model it after some old race cars that have the flat rear end. Even if you have to make a polycarb door 😂
The first 5Secs had me locked in 😂
The honda "badge" hits home for me. Because, I'm a chevy guy through and through. I work as a mechanic for a cab company, I got a crown vic as a shop car/company car. But being I'm a chevy guy. I have a big ass chevy bowtie on my forearm. I had it placed so when I got my arm on the door like one does when driving cause all of my vehicles are chevy or gm related. And yeah I want ppl to know I choose the chevy life, and love it! Lmao. But anyways the vic got debaged, and I put chevy emblems and a caprice badge on it just for the simple reasons. I can't have a big ass bow tie and bhe seen in a ford. Lmao. And if you care to know. It's slammed 3 3/4 inches off the ground from frame to ground. All blacked head lights tail lights. The front bumper is gone due to being so low and the bumpers so long that it just caught on every driveway/entrance. It also has 3-12 inch subs 2 tens and a 8. With 4 8×6s in the doors. She's pretty sick looking and sounding if i say so. Witch is only because I couldn't drive a ford that didn't atleast look half way decent. Lol. And yes it's got a caprice badge. But I call 'er my chevy vic. Not a crown vic a CHEVY VIC. If I could post pics I would. Lol
Nice work on the engine sounds at the beginning. If I didn't already know it was a Tesla I would have believed it.
Fix the camber in the rear tires and you will have more traction. In the video it looks like the outer portion of the tire isn't even touching the ground.
I believe your issue is in the frequency of the sample taking of the velocimeter. The problem is that your car accelerates faster than typical. In order to calculate correctly your actual speed: use multiple speed sensors, preferably laser and sample at the maximum possible speed. Using Radar now? Maybe a stand alone unit near the finish line. Even multiple thru beams broken in sequence and displayed with a traceable calibration from Bureau of Standards.
A little side note I was behind a Honda was doing 62 in a HOV lane that usually rolls at 85+.mph. Highway patrol behind me advised I hit over 100 mph in my stock 786 hp. Mod. S before I was even with the Hondas front bumper. Cop let me go, he has a Tesla too. Love your videos! Thanks
Love the ingenuity 😀 keep up the good work!!
Blake seems like a genuine dude
That was fun! Jackstand is the coolest!
James is such a good dude- more main character mode James - just talk engine and car stuff 😂😂❤❤
That plastic is carpet protector from Home Depot, Lowes Etc.😋😋😋
i would assume there are quite some losses from the traction control beeing too conservative on the race tires. If you see/hear no slipping at all its likely not giving as much torque as it could, right?
Anybody else see the lightning as the ceossed the line at 9:45??
Dude!!!! You need to use aircraft tape! It’s rated for the speeds you need to not blow offf like that plastic you used. But you have the exact right idea!!!!
Looks a lot better with the front end on. Like a proper cart.
I used to watch this guy work on a odyssey in a drive, AMAZING!
That Jackstand! What a Crew Chief, doesn't even matter what crew he's on
15:06 “this N!**AS gonna…” 😳