I love these stories. I am disabled, and spend a lot of time alone and it’s great to have a channel like this to listen to with all the interesting topics and getting to know people’s past lives from another time and other countries. Thank you so much.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Superficial charm (or insincere charm or glib charm) is the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, and verbally facile, without any underlying substance. It's considered to be one trait of a psychopath or sociopath; another is disregard for other people's feelings.
As a parent, I found it beyond odd that her parents told the police she wasn’t missing after the police found her body. I think that they thought she did run off with that man and they were ashamed, but didn’t think she was dead. And once her mom saw her body and started crying, I think that’s when she felt bad for thinking those things of her daughter when she was in fact murdered.
@@Coffeedrinker291 He was either in denial or wanted to console his wife that Elsie had run off to Wash D. C. and was alive. So many things running thru his head, is Elsie dead or alive, had she just run off with a chinese man, what would the papers write ruining their reputations, how will he comfort his wife?
They were in denial. It is like a young woman still living at home or going to college today telling her parents she is going to "hang out" with friends on spring break in FL. Or go to the Grand Canyon or one of a million other things...she was doing with friends or was going to one place and actually goes to another. If they find a body and inform the parents that she was found in a back alley in a trunk in some place she wasn't expected to be, because they believed their daughter wouldn't lie about her whereabouts and date of return, they may say something like oh no, it can't be her. She is away at college and said her and her friends were heading to Florida on spring break. She couldn't possibly be that gal in a trunk in an alley in NY. Why would she be in NY? She never lied to us. She said she would be in Florida and not to worry she would be back next week...
I love the history you give about the area where the crime took place, the wider history, giving the events context and just being very interesting history…love it! Thank you. 🌸☕️
@@fadeblac5633 @Addie Alexander totally agree it’s so interesting and yet very sad and often tragic. Brief Case just comes across so much of a gentleman ❤️
Who else, upon hearing of the chest being tightly bound, thought, okay, there’s a body about to be found. up! Seriously though, Thanks, Brief, from Australia.
When they said Leon had the trunk delivered to the chop suey restaurant, my brain went somewhere very dark. I thought "Oh no, he's going to cook the evidence and serve her to people for lunch". Her mother probably was haunted by the sight of her week-dead daughter. I'm curious why Elsie's father acted calm and emotionless.
People respond to tragedy in different ways. When my father passed away, my mom was obviously upset, but I "acted calm and emotionless" because I knew seeing me go to pieces was the last thing she needed at that time. Besides, it was a different time with vastly different attitudes, and not everyone is going to respond how strangers think they should respond.
@@PaleHorseShabuShabu Agreed. As a kid, I was so incredibly sensitive and unbalanced that when my uncle passed away unexpectedly, I just detached and seemed unaffected. Part of me turned off. The true weight of the pain is so past unbearable that our mind turns off emotions, in effect.
This was a very horrific crime that unfortunately wasn't solved but presumed to only have a particular suspect. I don't understand why Elsie's parents didn't report her missing sooner than they did. Also, why wasn't anyone aware of her personal life in regards to her dating/or associated with these two men. I believe the murderer probably left this country under an another name and just got away with murder, period! Great investigating of this story, as you always do for your shows.
I suppose that many thought that the relationship was due to her involvement with the immigrant community. The parents probably found it easier to deny knowledge of their daughter missing and had been aware of her feelings but didn’t want scandal due to their social status. Different attitudes at the time as unmarried women who became pregnant often went on ‘extended vacations’ with the same mindset. If they knew of her true feelings towards the men, they may have hoped that they eloped and left the city rather than to have to deal with the what was considered scandalized behavior. Denial is used as a defense mechanism.
In those days, you wouldn't even have to leave the country. You could go west under an assumed name and blend right into another Chinese community, but it would be just as easy to get on a boat and sail off.
He or she in the murder. Will face the Judge of all judges. Come .The Judgment Day of Jesus Christ. Nothing gets passed Him. As a matter of a Fact. We ALL Will. Prayerfully it won't be at His Great White Throne of Judgment. After that is the 2ND Death of Eternal Punishment. That even Hell itself will be thrown into. Called The Lake of Fire.
@@mikeloghry9521 I assume, if you are correct, that person's judgment day has arrived long ago. Your comment looks like it was written as a telegram. :)
Very interesting, indeed!! I believe that Leon returned to China undetected and lived out the rest of his days. How heartbreaking for her parents, though. This is such a sad loss. May Elsie rest in peace.
He could have went anywhere. Back then a person could just move away, alter their appearance a bit, change their name and begin a whole new life. I'm not sure if he'd return to China as China was in a very unstable condition at the time. Reason he left in the first place. Canada seems more likely to me. Close to NY it would be simple for him to move there.
A very strange case, almost like a Sherlock Holmes one, with all the elements--intrigue, foreigners, a high society girl...One would think she must have had some confidant who knew about her life.
@@pietro4772 thank you for explaining the cultural perspective. I would not have guessed that or known it, so I appreciate you taking the time to educate me 😀🙂!
True, but 1905 is not that far back. My grandmother was born in 1923 and died in the 90s. I was born only 59 years later, '64. I'm so far, alive and well. (Knock on wood). Also, sneaking off to have a good time probably always happened - opportunistically, but in some families, parents watched over their charges so closely, they couldn't blink unnoticed. In my mom's community (1950's Detroit), your neighbors would report on you to your parents and you'd be in BIG trouble. Your parents didn't have to ask, people would just volunteer. Yep, being a Black child in Detroit, it was hard to get away with things. That didn't last. The 1960s ruined family life (well for Black Detroiters anyway).
@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 This is coming from a white woman born to a married couple in St. Louis on Thanksgiving in '89, so, take it with a grain of salt, but, listening to my (annoyingly liberal) parents, who were born in '49... It seems to me like around the 1960s, as you mentioned, the state / government welfare system began to substitute for black fathers, leading to the collapse of the black nuclear family. It became par for the course to have children out of wedlock in order to receive things such as EBT, TANF, section 8 housing, and, (if one is lucky,) child support. Being raised by a single mother is the largest indicator (over ANY other variable, including and even when adjusted for factors such as income) of whether or not a child will, in their future, drop out of compulsory school, become incarcerated, accrue significant debt, check into a drug rehab, etc. This shift away from the family and towards a matriarchal black family/society led to high crime rates and systemic poverty. This lead to the minority of fathers who would be there for their children to otherwise be incarcerated, lose custody, or develop drug addictions. I have so many stories from my black friends of stepfathers who abused them sexually, physically, and emotionally, it's sickening. Choosing single motherhood isn't liberating, it's selfish and objectively harmful to the child. I'd be interested to hear your response to my theory.
@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 I am relate. I grew up in a very small country town(pop 800) With parents who were high profile because of jobs. If I did anything wrong, the news of my transgression would reach home before I did!
I wonder if they did a post-mortem on Elsie so see if she was pregnant. She could've been carrying Leon's baby, which sometimes can unfortunately be a motive for murder.
@@debshaw680 I agree that in his period many women died of botched abortions and the bodies of the young mothers were "dumped" by the abortionist or people associated with the young mother.
Morning, BC! Very disturbing Case, I remember reading about it a few years ago. Her father, being a Veteran of the Civil War, was used to seeing many horrific injuries, wounds, as well as deceased corpses in various forms of decay. That's why he wasn't affected by the condition of his daughter, and he was probably in a form of shock as well. Even back in the post- Victorian Era, when women were more scrutinized by the company they kept, one STILL had to be careful....not ALL men were "gentlemen", despite their social status.
Im sure there are other youtubers who cover old cases but youre the first i discovered and got hooked. Such a great idea to focus on that time period. Great content sir!
You don’t give a man who just killed your love interest $200 (worth $6,150 today). You would only give that much money to a witness to your crime that you need to keep quiet. It’s completely insane.
The knew how to make good luggage in those days. Nothing like the plastic handled wheely cases we have now, that when you grab them from the luggage carousel at the airport, the handle snaps off in your hand, and the rest of the bag has another ride around the carousel. This has twice been my misfortune.😁
Not so sure Leon killed this lady. If in fact it was her, I wonder if her dad had something to do with it. Bizarre case! Thank you as always, excellent!❤
During that period of time. People did not show emotion. And more than likely the Father thought that his Daughter was in a situation that looked like she was in a position of poor taste. So the stone face would of been appropriate for his assumption of the situation. Not many people of that era showed emotion. Under normal circumstances. Why would he have? When he thought so little of her.
@@maureenspano6988 exactly why he may have killed them BOTH. His stoic demeanor yes, that can be attributed to showing strength for his wife and also distaste at his daughter's choices, but can also reflect on his distaste and ultimately his shame and resentment that his daughter would do this to shame the family. My father is German. And I can tell you his greatest concerns with his children growing up was 1) that he HAD to have a male heir to carry on the family name. And his firstborn died. Then they proceeded to confirm to have children all of us girls which was frustrating to him...he didn't know what to do with us and we were not as valuable to him as having a son. He forced my mother to continue having children until she gave him a son. And then she was shoved aside and his son became his pride and joy, doted upon. We girls and women weren't important. And neither was mom. Barefoot and in a thin nightgown because slowly everything she had wore out. I gave her my clothes. Bought her shoes. On my tips and earnings from work while I was still in HS. 2) DO NOT SHAME and, my father is PROUD. And he would warn us girls constantly not to shame him or his name. When we displeased him, written off. He didn't murder us. But some families take it so seriously they are driven to kill the woman/girl child who shames them. No I would not put it past the father to have killed both out of shame. And the law only cared that they found her and tried to solve the case by blaming him, even tho he too was missing. He may have been a victim as well. Just never found. And the shame and rage of an angry father would be such that he could lose control and tell the guy he was gonna make him disappear. And then do it. Many Chinese raised animals for consumption. Who knows if some pigs were fed? Or a body ended up just gone...a million ways a person can end up missing.
@@resarm5007I am sorry you had that experience with your Dad. Mine was German too. A little controlling yes. I attributed that to his military backround. 11 years he was in service. But he adored my Mother. And tried to reach us on positive levels. When your a kid with a Father in the military it is tough. But once we were adults. He took his time to get to know us as Adult people. He never had Man chores or Woman. We learned how to mow a lawn just has washing dishes. I am confused with what you seen growing up. Being contributed to German. I did not realize German Men were like that. I always thought they were one of the least chauvinist of Nationalities. Along with the Irish. I guess it's an individuel thing. I just never seen that in my home. I am sorry again that, that was your experience. Hopefully you never turned around and married it. Because dummy that I was. Mine was chauvinist. I eventually left him. I was to young to relize that not all Men were like my Father.
Dear Brief Case, what I think is that this was another interesting case from history delivered, as usual, in your inimitable style. Thank you for taking the time to post these gruesome but gripping yarns. PEACE ;]
Mmm never heard of this one. Wonder if her family delayed reporting her missing because it was an “honor killing”? Or that Leon Lim was murdered along with Elsie, and his body not found?
I'm sure the cousin was guilty but Elsie's father's reaction to her in the trunk made him guilty of something!!!! I feel as though he had already seen her dead while searching for her. That's probably why the one Chinese cousin was never found... Daddy already took care of him after finding his daughter!!!! This is also the reason mom and dad didn't report her missing sooner. This is also why the mother had such a reaction with the trunk. She knew her daughter was dead in it but had not seen her but the father already had this no reaction on his part....
Wow. He murdered that poor woman and didn't pay any consequences at all. Disturbing. Also strange that he got away with no one noticing. He must've left the country just before people were on the lookout for him.
Or else he DIDN'T leave the country, and Elsie's other boyfriend killed both of them. He was probably dumped somewhere and if he was ever found, deemed to have been a vagrant and tossed in a common grave somewhere. If that happened before Elsie's body was found, nobody connected the dots.
General Sigel was a pretty incompetent general during the Civil War. And he got his behind handed to him in the Shenandoah Valley. Battle of New Market.
@@jessicafain6630 yes, that is true because he was a very popular figure in the german-american community. Because he like many men in the german-american community were veterans of the failed Revolution of 1848.
I really enjoyed your newest case you did a great job narrating and it is obvious the hard work you did on researching the information for the case great Jon once again Brief Case
Thank you again BC another great episode. What I can’t comprehend how the tenants in flats or the restaurant did not smell the horrific smell of a decomposing body. Next to a skunk it has to be the worst scent. 🤮
Such a tragic death! The entire case is so sad. Justice always comes, one way or another. That poor family though, to learn the secrets of their daughter upon her horrific death. I can’t imagine and I hope they didn’t think less of her. Elsie seemed such a caring person. Poor dear. Thank you BC for this one and the phenomenal photos.
I am new to your Chanel, I happened to notice it and it sounded interesting. I’m so glad that I stopped in. I am now subscribed. Keep up the good work! 👍
Great way to start my first time mother morning 😂! I have a 1 week old baby and been having sleepless nights but it is worth it💕 love crime and my baby
This was a very bizarre story. She obviously kept parts of her dating life from her parents and I think it was because during that time it was frowned upon the fact that they were not the same race and she was also Apple class. Leon went all the way to Washington DC to send a telegraph to Else’s parents pretending to be her so what does that tell you? He was very jealous especially when he was drunk and I believe things just got out of hand and he killed her but the fact that no one was charged is the thing that confuses me the most. Thank you so much for bringing us a story from America. Although I love your stories from Europe I’m glad you’re starting to do more stories from the United States thank you for sharing these amazing stories. I always like to try and play detective in period clothing when you’re sharing everything with us ♥️
What a wonderful story and was wonderfully told!! Thanks BC for another awesome case.I’ve been binging on your channel,everyone of your cases are amazing!!!!❤❤❤❤❤
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I found this case very interesting! Your background on the anti-chineese work bill gave its history more importance. I believe the young man in question fled to China. It is sad that he would never be put on trial.
Or he might have been killed for something. It was relatively common place for non-desirables to end up dead, especially after the discovery of the body But just my thoughts, we'll never know unfortunately
I felt like Elsie father knew more. All the evidence against Leon was circumstantial and would've led to his execution regardless. May She Rest In Peace.
Thank you BC for another interesting case!! I certainly cannot imagine what her parents had gone through!! Bless Elsie's heart!! Talk about devastating!! To be perfectly honest I would go insane if anything ever happened to my kids!!!
Good morning from Texas fellow crime watchers!! I hope that everyone is safe and well! I would just like to add, that the public opinion of women, even in early 20th century was critical of women when Elsie could have been torn between the her love of the two men which shouldn’t add to result of her death. It’s sad that we are critical with women when they are the victims of such horrific actions taken upon by monsters of men, no matter their behaviours or their clothing choices. Elsie was a very young woman with her full life before her, cut short by the jealousy of a man which resulted in her death. ☹️ In addition, it also should be mentioned that the treatment of Chinese Americans was horrific. I wonder what happened to Leon Ling?
I love these stories. I am disabled, and spend a lot of time alone and it’s great to have a channel like this to listen to with all the interesting topics and getting to know people’s past lives from another time and other countries. Thank you so much.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
I too spend a lot of time alone as a widower since 9-11/2014, and also am disabled. BriefCase is a welcome respite. 😊
"Charming and charismatic young man" well, I know who the killer is
Superficial charm (or insincere charm or glib charm) is the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, and verbally facile, without any underlying substance. It's considered to be one trait of a psychopath or sociopath; another is disregard for other people's feelings.
Ikr?!
🤣🤣🤣🙏👌
Ah, a politician!!!🤔
Exactly. Charming and charismatic people are usually up to no good.
Not only do we get a fascinating story that we won’t see anywhere else, but we get a history lesson as well. Love it B.C!
Thanks
I thoroughly agree with Pamela. The histgry lessons are another major reason I enjoy these videos.
Well said!
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As a parent, I found it beyond odd that her parents told the police she wasn’t missing after the police found her body. I think that they thought she did run off with that man and they were ashamed, but didn’t think she was dead. And once her mom saw her body and started crying, I think that’s when she felt bad for thinking those things of her daughter when she was in fact murdered.
I’m thinking the dad had something to do with it
@@Coffeedrinker291 Possibly, since he didn't really react emotionally like the mother did.
I almost got the impression that he was trying to make them believe that it wasn’t her body
@@Coffeedrinker291 He was either in denial or wanted to console his wife that Elsie had run off to Wash D. C. and was alive. So many things running thru his head, is Elsie dead or alive, had she just run off with a chinese man, what would the papers write ruining their reputations, how will he comfort his wife?
They were in denial. It is like a young woman still living at home or going to college today telling her parents she is going to "hang out" with friends on spring break in FL. Or go to the Grand Canyon or one of a million other things...she was doing with friends or was going to one place and actually goes to another. If they find a body and inform the parents that she was found in a back alley in a trunk in some place she wasn't expected to be, because they believed their daughter wouldn't lie about her whereabouts and date of return, they may say something like oh no, it can't be her. She is away at college and said her and her friends were heading to Florida on spring break. She couldn't possibly be that gal in a trunk in an alley in NY. Why would she be in NY? She never lied to us. She said she would be in Florida and not to worry she would be back next week...
I love the history you give about the area where the crime took place, the wider history, giving the events context and just being very interesting history…love it! Thank you. 🌸☕️
That's why I really like his channel. He gives details of the time period.
@@fadeblac5633 @Addie Alexander totally agree it’s so interesting and yet very sad and often tragic. Brief Case just comes across so much of a gentleman ❤️
Me too, but the story remains as a mystery
I'm always amazed how these stories that were national front page news when they happened are just forgotten about. Thanks for digging this one up!
Who else, upon hearing of the chest being tightly bound, thought, okay, there’s a body about to be found. up! Seriously though, Thanks, Brief, from Australia.
Hahaha I think everybody did
Definitely! 😟
I thought of the 1951 movie "Strangers on a train."
I thought the same thing
Wow and that Ira Einhorn guy. He did the trunk thing too.
I always love the pictures, and history lessons! Thank You, Brief Case!
Thankyou
@@BriefCaseOfficial it's my pleasure!🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
When they said Leon had the trunk delivered to the chop suey restaurant, my brain went somewhere very dark. I thought "Oh no, he's going to cook the evidence and serve her to people for lunch". Her mother probably was haunted by the sight of her week-dead daughter. I'm curious why Elsie's father acted calm and emotionless.
He was in denial He though she was in Washington DC
People respond to tragedy in different ways. When my father passed away, my mom was obviously upset, but I "acted calm and emotionless" because I knew seeing me go to pieces was the last thing she needed at that time. Besides, it was a different time with vastly different attitudes, and not everyone is going to respond how strangers think they should respond.
@@PaleHorseShabuShabu Agreed. As a kid, I was so incredibly sensitive and unbalanced that when my uncle passed away unexpectedly, I just detached and seemed unaffected. Part of me turned off. The true weight of the pain is so past unbearable that our mind turns off emotions, in effect.
@@serenity6415 ❤❤❤
Yeah mine too
This was a very horrific crime that unfortunately wasn't solved but presumed to only have a particular suspect. I don't understand why Elsie's parents didn't report her missing sooner than they did. Also, why wasn't anyone aware of her personal life in regards to her dating/or associated with these two men. I believe the murderer probably left this country under an another name and just got away with murder, period! Great investigating of this story, as you always do for your shows.
I suppose that many thought that the relationship was due to her involvement with the immigrant community. The parents probably found it easier to deny knowledge of their daughter missing and had been aware of her feelings but didn’t want scandal due to their social status. Different attitudes at the time as unmarried women who became pregnant often went on ‘extended vacations’ with the same mindset. If they knew of her true feelings towards the men, they may have hoped that they eloped and left the city rather than to have to deal with the what was considered scandalized behavior. Denial is used as a defense mechanism.
In those days, you wouldn't even have to leave the country. You could go west under an assumed name and blend right into another Chinese community, but it would be just as easy to get on a boat and sail off.
He or she in the murder. Will face the Judge of all judges. Come .The Judgment Day of Jesus Christ. Nothing gets passed Him. As a matter of a Fact. We ALL Will. Prayerfully it won't be at His Great White Throne of Judgment. After that is the 2ND Death of Eternal Punishment. That even Hell itself will be thrown into. Called The Lake of Fire.
@@mikeloghry9521 I assume, if you are correct, that person's judgment day has arrived long ago. Your comment looks like it was written as a telegram. :)
I agree with your hypothesis!!!🙏🤔
I love these old cases so much, they’re really quite fascinating! Good work as usual, Brief Case! 🙌🏻
Thanks
Her father definitely sounds suspicious. Interesting and sad case!
Very interesting, indeed!! I believe that Leon returned to China undetected and lived out the rest of his days. How heartbreaking for her parents, though. This is such a sad loss. May Elsie rest in peace.
He could have went anywhere. Back then a person could just move away, alter their appearance a bit, change their name and begin a whole new life. I'm not sure if he'd return to China as China was in a very unstable condition at the time. Reason he left in the first place. Canada seems more likely to me. Close to NY it would be simple for him to move there.
@@kina18 You make a very good point!
@@kina18 he wouldn’t even have changed his appearance because people can’t tell Asians apart even today.
@@kina18 he could have ended up dead himself...he disappeared...doesn't mean he was alive.
@@resarm5007 True that.
I'm learning a lot from this channel, thank you brief case all the way from South Africa
I love how you post your videos just when I get home from work. A wonderful way to relax.
The only reason I look forward to Monday .
A very strange case, almost like a Sherlock Holmes one, with all the elements--intrigue, foreigners, a high society girl...One would think she must have had some confidant who knew about her life.
Elsie's fathers response to seeing the body of his daughter was very strange 🤔 indeed!
As usual another great read, BC! Kudos!!
From a cultural perspective, he felt that he had lost his daughter long before her death.
@@pietro4772 thank you for explaining the cultural perspective. I would not have guessed that or known it, so I appreciate you taking the time to educate me 😀🙂!
So tragic! Thank you BC . Murder is murder no matter what year it is !
Interesting that as soon as the parents going away, was, even back then, instant party time!
Well she wasn’t a proper young lady.
True, but 1905 is not that far back. My grandmother was born in 1923 and died in the 90s. I was born only 59 years later, '64. I'm so far, alive and well. (Knock on wood). Also, sneaking off to have a good time probably always happened - opportunistically, but in some families, parents watched over their charges so closely, they couldn't blink unnoticed. In my mom's community (1950's Detroit), your neighbors would report on you to your parents and you'd be in BIG trouble. Your parents didn't have to ask, people would just volunteer. Yep, being a Black child in Detroit, it was hard to get away with things. That didn't last. The 1960s ruined family life (well for Black Detroiters anyway).
@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 This is coming from a white woman born to a married couple in St. Louis on Thanksgiving in '89, so, take it with a grain of salt, but, listening to my (annoyingly liberal) parents, who were born in '49... It seems to me like around the 1960s, as you mentioned, the state / government welfare system began to substitute for black fathers, leading to the collapse of the black nuclear family. It became par for the course to have children out of wedlock in order to receive things such as EBT, TANF, section 8 housing, and, (if one is lucky,) child support. Being raised by a single mother is the largest indicator (over ANY other variable, including and even when adjusted for factors such as income) of whether or not a child will, in their future, drop out of compulsory school, become incarcerated, accrue significant debt, check into a drug rehab, etc. This shift away from the family and towards a matriarchal black family/society led to high crime rates and systemic poverty. This lead to the minority of fathers who would be there for their children to otherwise be incarcerated, lose custody, or develop drug addictions. I have so many stories from my black friends of stepfathers who abused them sexually, physically, and emotionally, it's sickening. Choosing single motherhood isn't liberating, it's selfish and objectively harmful to the child. I'd be interested to hear your response to my theory.
@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 I am relate. I grew up in a very small country town(pop 800)
With parents who were high profile because of jobs. If I did anything wrong, the news of my transgression would reach home before I did!
@@pickles3128 This started in the sixties, I agree. It was not limited to black families. White people were doing the same.
I wonder if they did a post-mortem on Elsie so see if she was pregnant. She could've been carrying Leon's baby, which sometimes can unfortunately be a motive for murder.
More likely that he’d have been murdered and she forced to abort a mixed race baby.
@@debshaw680 I disagree. She and her baby would have been semi-welcome in Chinatown?
True.
@@debshaw680 I agree that in his period many women died of botched abortions and the bodies of the young mothers were "dumped" by the abortionist or people associated with the young mother.
Morning, BC! Very disturbing Case, I remember reading about it a few years ago. Her father, being a Veteran of the Civil War, was used to seeing many horrific injuries, wounds, as well as deceased corpses in various forms of decay. That's why he wasn't affected by the condition of his daughter, and he was probably in a form of shock as well. Even back in the post- Victorian Era, when women were more scrutinized by the company they kept, one STILL had to be careful....not ALL men were "gentlemen", despite their social status.
Yes, it was her grandfather, not her father.
Im sure there are other youtubers who cover old cases but youre the first i discovered and got hooked. Such a great idea to focus on that time period. Great content sir!
Thank you!
Brief Case is the best.
You don’t give a man who just killed your love interest $200 (worth $6,150 today). You would only give that much money to a witness to your crime that you need to keep quiet. It’s completely insane.
Kind of impressed the trunk was so air tight that it didn't smell worse.
@TheJudgementalCat love your name so cool. Agree about the smell as almost every story with a trunk tells us the odour gave it away. Yeuch
The knew how to make good luggage in those days.
Nothing like the plastic handled wheely cases we have now, that when you grab them from the luggage carousel at the airport, the handle snaps off in your hand, and the rest of the bag has another ride around the carousel.
This has twice been my misfortune.😁
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@@caroliner2029 🤣🤣🤣
It was probably a steamer trunk.
But BC also said that the police smelled it when he entered the apartment…. That’s why he forced it open.
No actual proof Leon Ling killed her and he went missing, for all we know he was offed as well.
Good morning BC. Thanks for a new narration to kick start the day.
I just love these tales of crime from so long ago. Thanks B💼
Poor Elsie.. Leon certainly got away with his crime
This was a fascinating story BC. Great job as always 👍
Thank you for another excellent production! You rock crime!🤘❤🇺🇲
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Not so sure Leon killed this lady. If in fact it was her, I wonder if her dad had something to do with it. Bizarre case! Thank you as always, excellent!❤
I was wondering about Daddy, too!
me too
During that period of time. People did not show emotion. And more than likely the Father thought that his Daughter was in a situation that looked like she was in a position of poor taste. So the stone face would of been appropriate for his assumption of the situation. Not many people of that era showed emotion. Under normal circumstances. Why would he have? When he thought so little of her.
@@maureenspano6988 exactly why he may have killed them BOTH. His stoic demeanor yes, that can be attributed to showing strength for his wife and also distaste at his daughter's choices, but can also reflect on his distaste and ultimately his shame and resentment that his daughter would do this to shame the family. My father is German. And I can tell you his greatest concerns with his children growing up was 1) that he HAD to have a male heir to carry on the family name. And his firstborn died. Then they proceeded to confirm to have children all of us girls which was frustrating to him...he didn't know what to do with us and we were not as valuable to him as having a son. He forced my mother to continue having children until she gave him a son. And then she was shoved aside and his son became his pride and joy, doted upon. We girls and women weren't important. And neither was mom. Barefoot and in a thin nightgown because slowly everything she had wore out. I gave her my clothes. Bought her shoes. On my tips and earnings from work while I was still in HS. 2) DO NOT SHAME and, my father is PROUD. And he would warn us girls constantly not to shame him or his name. When we displeased him, written off. He didn't murder us. But some families take it so seriously they are driven to kill the woman/girl child who shames them. No I would not put it past the father to have killed both out of shame. And the law only cared that they found her and tried to solve the case by blaming him, even tho he too was missing. He may have been a victim as well. Just never found. And the shame and rage of an angry father would be such that he could lose control and tell the guy he was gonna make him disappear. And then do it. Many Chinese raised animals for consumption. Who knows if some pigs were fed? Or a body ended up just gone...a million ways a person can end up missing.
@@resarm5007I am sorry you had that experience with your Dad. Mine was German too. A little controlling yes. I attributed that to his military backround. 11 years he was in service. But he adored my Mother. And tried to reach us on positive levels. When your a kid with a Father in the military it is tough. But once we were adults. He took his time to get to know us as Adult people. He never had Man chores or Woman. We learned how to mow a lawn just has washing dishes. I am confused with what you seen growing up. Being contributed to German. I did not realize German Men were like that. I always thought they were one of the least chauvinist of Nationalities. Along with the Irish. I guess it's an individuel thing. I just never seen that in my home. I am sorry again that, that was your experience. Hopefully you never turned around and married it. Because dummy that I was. Mine was chauvinist. I eventually left him. I was to young to relize that not all Men were like my Father.
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Dear Brief Case, what I think is that this was another interesting case from history delivered, as usual, in your inimitable style. Thank you for taking the time to post these gruesome but gripping yarns. PEACE ;]
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Mmm never heard of this one. Wonder if her family delayed reporting her missing because it was an “honor killing”? Or that Leon Lim was murdered along with Elsie, and his body not found?
That’s exactly what I thought.
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I'm sure the cousin was guilty but Elsie's father's reaction to her in the trunk made him guilty of something!!!! I feel as though he had already seen her dead while searching for her. That's probably why the one Chinese cousin was never found... Daddy already took care of him after finding his daughter!!!!
This is also the reason mom and dad didn't report her missing sooner. This is also why the mother had such a reaction with the trunk. She knew her daughter was dead in it but had not seen her but the father already had this no reaction on his part....
Wow. He murdered that poor woman and didn't pay any consequences at all. Disturbing. Also strange that he got away with no one noticing. He must've left the country just before people were on the lookout for him.
Or else he DIDN'T leave the country, and Elsie's other boyfriend killed both of them. He was probably dumped somewhere and if he was ever found, deemed to have been a vagrant and tossed in a common grave somewhere. If that happened before Elsie's body was found, nobody connected the dots.
@@lucindawelenc2191 yes, it's hard to believe that he could have disappeared that fast.
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General Sigel was a pretty incompetent general during the Civil War. And he got his behind handed to him in the Shenandoah Valley. Battle of New Market.
They probably just needed him to recruit Germans.
@@jessicafain6630 yes, that is true because he was a very popular figure in the german-american community. Because he like many men in the german-american community were veterans of the failed Revolution of 1848.
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A popular saying in the Union Army back then was " You fights Mit Siegal ? " " Nein .... I runs Mit Howard " .
How interesting….I am fascinated by American History, and I never knew this of Gen. Siegel!!
Horrifying what she went through! RIP!🌹Awesome english narration! Thank you Mr Brief. Good time to relisten more of your great work!
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Sad that this horrific crime has never been solved! Thank you for taking us way into the past Brief Case 🙋 You do a really good job 👍
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Another fabulous but sad case, great narration on these and the old photo's are amazing! RIP Elsie.
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I really enjoyed your newest case you did a great job narrating and it is obvious the hard work you did on researching the information for the case great Jon once again Brief Case
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Thank you again BC another great episode. What I can’t comprehend how the tenants in flats or the restaurant did not smell the horrific smell of a decomposing body. Next to a skunk it has to be the worst scent. 🤮
Hello BC, I've been waiting for you.( not in a creepy way at all) bad weather here so I thought a good day to binge watch.
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Thank you for your effort bringing these stories,although very sad,to us.
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Such a tragic death! The entire case is so sad. Justice always comes, one way or another. That poor family though, to learn the secrets of their daughter upon her horrific death. I can’t imagine and I hope they didn’t think less of her. Elsie seemed such a caring person. Poor dear. Thank you BC for this one and the phenomenal photos.
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Well that's me been sent down another rabbit hole, history of China in 1850`s 👍🏼❤️
This was a very bizarre story. She obviously kept parts of her dating life from her parents and I think it was because during that time it was frowned upon the fact that they were not the same race and she was also Apple class. Leon went all the way to Washington DC to send a telegraph to Else’s parents pretending to be her so what does that tell you? He was very jealous especially when he was drunk and I believe things just got out of hand and he killed her but the fact that no one was charged is the thing that confuses me the most. Thank you so much for bringing us a story from America.
Although I love your stories from Europe I’m glad you’re starting to do more stories from the United States thank you for sharing these amazing stories. I always like to try and play detective in period clothing when you’re sharing everything with us ♥️
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@@leviniahill454 Yes - "Apple class" - that killed me. The power of Steve Jobs still reigns supreme ! :DDD
What a wonderful story and was wonderfully told!! Thanks BC for another awesome case.I’ve been binging on your channel,everyone of your cases are amazing!!!!❤❤❤❤❤
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I'm worried about tomorrow but your videos help me cope. Thanks beef case 😎, next maybe crime reel and then back
Great story. I really appreciate the background family information. It makes the characters in the story come more alive. Thanks. Stay safe.🤗
Hello!!! I enjoyed your video today. Such a shame about Elsie...
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I found this case very interesting! Your background on the anti-chineese work bill gave its history more importance. I believe the young man in question fled to China. It is sad that he would never be put on trial.
Sadly, American history is not most Americans strong suit, says this American, though I was aware of the bill
Or he might have been killed for something. It was relatively common place for non-desirables to end up dead, especially after the discovery of the body
But just my thoughts, we'll never know unfortunately
I felt like Elsie father knew more.
All the evidence against Leon was circumstantial and would've led to his execution regardless. May She Rest In Peace.
I guess all the bodies in Gacy's basement and Dahmers apartment were circumstantial by that standard.
Thank you BC for another interesting case!! I certainly cannot imagine what her parents had gone through!! Bless Elsie's heart!! Talk about devastating!! To be perfectly honest I would go insane if anything ever happened to my kids!!!
I stumbled onto this channel my wife and I both love it.
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TY, I've never heard this one before.
Washington Heights, my old neighbourhood. Thank you B.C. for your interesting and educational videos along with your wonderful narrating.
For your next video you should talk about Joe the quilter. He was murdered in 1826 and no-one knows who the murderer was.
Thankyou, I actually do not know that case but I will look into it
Interesting, but I'm more into the solved cases.
Poor Elsie, didn't know this case
Good morning from Texas fellow crime watchers!! I hope that everyone is safe and well! I would just like to add, that the public opinion of women, even in early 20th century was critical of women when Elsie could have been torn between the her love of the two men which shouldn’t add to result of her death. It’s sad that we are critical with women when they are the victims of such horrific actions taken upon by monsters of men, no matter their behaviours or their clothing choices. Elsie was a very young woman with her full life before her, cut short by the jealousy of a man which resulted in her death. ☹️
In addition, it also should be mentioned that the treatment of Chinese Americans was horrific. I wonder what happened to Leon Ling?
Yes, dating two men isn't a great idea (unless they are cool with it) but it is not the kind of thing that should lead to a violent death.
My goodness, what a story!! It sounded so cold blooded. Thanks BC.
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This man needs to upload everyday. I’m so addicted!
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