Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master Slots and Storage
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- Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master Slots and Storage. This is going to be more about Possibilities and Limitations. Let's establish Our Platform. A Consumer Desktop Motherboard. Some of the References We're going to make are going to be according to a HEDT which has kind of gone flat, and a Workstation. And how some of those Features have trickled down to do what We're trying to do with Slots and Storage. This is all about Two things, CPU PCIe Lanes and Chipset PCIe Lanes. We have to divide and look at the Motherboard, CPU and Chipset as We sort this out for 3 possible Add in Cards. From a Quad card to GPU to USB4 card. This Motherboard Supports DP Alt Mode aka DisplayPort Alternate Mode on USB-C!
Question: DDR5 Support? No mention in current Bios Manual of DDR RAS ECC Support! To reiterate, We should see a setting under, Under DDR RAS, DDR ECC. Gigabyte Bios Manual is Generic to AMD X670 Chipset.
Note: Lane count. Does a Device use 2 Lanes or 4 Lanes. Built on vs Add in card. Depends!
X670E Useable PCIe Lanes
1. 24 usable CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes
2. Promontory 21 - PCIe 4.0
A. 8 usable PCIe lanes, Primary chipset
B. 12 usable PCIe lanes. Secondary chipset
Slots and Storage
1. 3 Slots
2. 4 M.2 Connectors
AICs - Add in cards
1. Quad card
2. GPU
3. Thunderbolt 4 or USB4
Adobe After Effects Multi-Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core count = VRAM
Fan Control - Noise Detection
Noise Detection provides detection of the noise level (measured in decibels) inside the chassis. To use the Noise Detection function, You must have a Motherboard with a Noise Detection Header.
To compare:
Decibel Meter Sound Level Reader 30-130dB(A), Hand-held Sound Noise Meter with Backlight Alarm, Digital Noise Meter Decibel Monitoring Tester Calibrated Audio Noise Volume Measuring Instrument amzn.to/3re9URu
Generic Bios Manual
Gigabyte X670E Aorus Extreme Chipset
1. PCIeX16 Bifurcation - PCIe 4x4x4x4
2. Tunneling?
3. Thunderbolt... aka USB4!
4. Yes! DP Alt Mode
5. USB4 AIC [THB_U4 add-in card connector]
6. Gigabyte Utilities Downloader Configuration
7. Super IO Configuration - Serial Port
8. USB Configuration
9. USB Mass Storage Driver Support
10. Mass Storage Devices
11. Chipset SATA Port Hot Plug
12. Integrated Graphics - 64MB to 16GB
13. SPD Info
Links:
1. AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Desktop Processors
www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen
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2. AMD Zen 4 & Socket AM5 Explained- PCIe Lanes, Chipsets, Connectivity - TechPowerUp}
www.techpowerup.com/295394/am...
3. Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master (rev. 1.0) Key Features - Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/...
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4. Gigabyte Unveils AORUS Gen5 AIC Adaptor
www.gigabyte.com/Press/News/2018
4. Gigabyte TRX40 Designare (rev. 1.0) Key Features - Motherboard -
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/...
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5. Gigabyte WRX80-SU8-IPMI Thunderbolt WRX80
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/...
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6. ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Threadripper Pro EATX Workstation Motherboard
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-...
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7. ASRock WRX80 Creator
www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/WRX80%2...
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8. X670E VALKYRIE
www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-us...
9. ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme
rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog...
10. MSI MSI MEG X670E GODLIKE, E-ATX, AMD Ryzen 7000, AM5, 24+2+1 phase, DDR5 PCIe 5.0, 10G LAN, Wi-Fi 6E
www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-X...
11. ASRock X670E Taichi
www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X670E%2...
12. ASRock X670E Steel Legend
www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X670E%2...
13. PCMag - It Looks Like PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSDs Require Bigger M.2 Slots
www.pcmag.com/news/it-looks-l...
14. Tom's Hardware - Corsair Teases First PCIe 5.0 SSD With 10,000MB/s of Bandwidth
www.tomshardware.com/news/cor...
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Hi Tran Thang,
Welcome! Fantastic! Those Details matter! That would be nice! We're working at it! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Thank YOU Gill and everyone ! I subbed a while back , will share to my Twitter and fellow computer folks !!
Hi Hyp Gnosis,
Been a while! I'm honored! Tell Us more about Your current Computer configuration. If using a Laptop, Understandable. Doing Live or Studio with Your DAW? Anything with Virtual Instruments will benefit from M.2 NVMe Storage for faster load times. As Your Track Count of Virtual Instruments grows, so does Your need for RAM and M.2 NVMe Virtual Instrument Storage
space. Yes, Audio is single Core Processing. Faster Cores! That too may be changing in the future to take advantage of more CPU Cores but We're not there yet! Cakewalk. Ok. We've had Cakewalk since DOS days! May be time to go PreSonus or Fruity Loops! Just planting an idea for Options!
You're just an OG in a market that's newly become mainstream. Was thinking about thermal pad for my CPU till I saw your thermal strip SSD video then determined im sticking with paste with my CPU.
Hi tryintosurvive88,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments, I think!?! We've had those Comments before. Whichever We use, Primary concern should be the Thermal Emissivity Rating. And Non Conductive. Thermal Paste works well on CPUs. As long as the Thermal Paste remains pliable. I remember the old style Thermal Pads AMD was Recommending on the FX 8350 class and prior CPUs. Those Pads hardened over time. Any movement would cause a break or fracture in the Thermal barrier thus frying the CPUs! Atrocious situation. Around the time when Thermistors were beginning to be used under the CPUs. What a mess that was. And We were the Guinea pigs! Thanks for Watching!
thank you for your work
Hi romain BAILET,
Good to hear from You! Been a while! Always Appreciate Your Comments! A Viewer asked today if that was Live. Chat was Live! Video was Edited! Takes time to do all of that and keep it tight! Fascinating counting Resource allocations!
This was a great video Gill, you really went into the deep dive on all the aspects of this consumer level motherboard, so we have a good understanding on his capabilities, To me this is a very good motherboard for its intended purposes and usage, but without the knowledge of the characteristics of the motherboard, a person could make an uninformed decision and have to deal with the ramifications when it comes time for upgrades, That we all do in time.
Hi LonnDawg,
Appreciate Your Comments! And always Welcome Your Feedback and Participation! Hopefully this provides an Overview of What to Expect in 3 given Scenarios of usage for Slots and Storage based on Resource allocations. Amazing how this issue use to not matter and now it does! Fascinating topic! Worth the Effort if it helps! As long as We know Our capabilities and understand those limitations and parameters. Thank You for Sharing!
Thank you for building this tutorial video and sharing it! Some people in TH-cam Viewer-Land are starved for this information from someone who knows it 1st-hand. 🇺🇸 😎👍☕
Hi Lil' Black Duc,
I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Absolutely Agree! Let's hope this helps Seperate Hype from Facts! All about Slots and Storage! Function over Form! Keep it Simple and Make it Work!
Excellent again! You do so much work to dice through the specs to find the truth. We must ask: 1) What are the capabilities of the BIOS? 2) Its always about slots and storage. 3) What you see with the mobo connectors do not tell you the real story. 4) Function is important not form. I agree, price per lane is more important than price per core.
Hi Crime Stoppers,
Appreciate Your Comments! Im honored! Great Questions! Since the Gigabyte X670E Bios Manual is Generic and not Motherboard Specific as it should be and since We covered that in the Extreme Video and since this ran long, We kept that Info in this Video Description but reiterated here below. Items of note:
Gigabyte X670E Generic Bios Manual
1. PCIeX16 Bifurcation - PCIe 4x4x4x4 Full Bifurcation!
2. No PCIe Tunneling over USB4 mentioned! Odd!
3. No Thunderbolt Settings
4. No DP Alt Mode Settings
5. No USB4 Settings
6. Gigabyte Utilities Downloader Configuration software stub. ASUS is doing this on their WRX80 Workstation. Odd.
7. Super IO Configuration - Serial Port Generic. Odd.
8. USB Configuration - New!
9. USB Mass Storage Driver Support
10. Mass Storage Devices
11. Chipset SATA Port Hot Plug! Yes!
12. Integrated Graphics - 64MB to 16GB
13. SPD Info
Some of the terminology above may be changing as a result of going from Thunderbolt 4 to USB4. We need to see an actual X670E Bios on Screen! What We see is not always what We Perceive We are getting! The better value is on the HEDT or Workstation based on PCIe Lanes, Processing Power and Longevity for Upgrades of Storage! Fascinating Topic!
Hopefully using the 3 Add in card scenarios will help Viewers to better understand What, Why and How this all works and fits together!
I always like your videos. Straight to the point and no bsen around.Can you do a video about video processors such as the Radeon M125 or the Nvidia M40.I am getting back into photo shop,gimp,and some other graphical programs.I am going to be into airplane wing and fuselage design because design your own instead of paying the ritch.Any help would be nice.Thanks.
Hi Gerald,
Welcome! Good to hear from You! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! All about Function! Details matter! Are You Planning on Building a Server or Workstation? Based on those 2 Machine Learning Intelligence and Deep Learning Accelerators sounds like an AMD EPYC Server. Those Accelerators are from 2017 and 2015 respectively. Both are X16, PCIe 3.0; Dual Slot.
Based on the Software and Design and Rendering capabilities, sounds like a Workstation. If a Workstation suggest WRX80 Workstation. And a 2 Slot Workstation GPU. But not an Accelerator.
Based on the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula which states:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
We have a Video about that Formula.
From that, more likely either an RTX A6000 series or RTX 6000 series Professional GPU; 1 GPU. Do You need CUDA Cores? If not, AMD Radeon W6800. Both are PCIe 4.0 X16; Dual Slot Configurations.
Based on that Formula, those Considerations and Requirements, will You require 32GBs or 48GBs of VRAM? How big is Your Dataset going to be?
A Threadripper Pro 5995WX or 5975WX CPU? 32 or 64 CPU Cores. Average CPU cost in that class is $100 per CPU Core. Priced per Lane of 128 CPU Lanes, 5975WX. Perception and Perspective. Does that help? We have Videos about the RTX A5000. We have not made a Video about the AMD Radeon W6800 yet! Bern saving that for a Build!
Some comments on the *Gigabyte Thunderbolt add-in cards*
I own one for the *Aorus Master X570 (Titan Ridge)* and it has been a conflicting experience.
They tend to be a *1 slot card* (same with the *Mapple Ridge* cards) and the type C connectors are real close to any other slot cover above them.
This has been the bane of my existence as Thunderbolt male cables tend to be on the short side so most times I need to install the card lowering it a little bit to make sure I can fully plug in the cables with their plastic shields. This goes against the natural position of the card so unless you tight the slot screw strong enough, it will inevitably get closer to the slot cover above it making it difficult to connect your cables.
Performance has not been consistent when compared to on-board solutions like the Thunderbolt ports from the *Asus ProArt* series of MoBos or NUCs .
Some times I get the practical maximum speeds I can get ( ~ *3,200MBs read/write* using a *WavLink Thunderbolt 3 enclosure* and a upper end *WD SN750 NVMe* ) and others I get around 50% speeds transferring >1GB files, it is very erratic.
This is not the case with any of the *Thunderbolt 3* ports on any of my *Intel NUCs* nor the previously mentioned *Thunderbolt 4* ports from the *Asus ProArt X570* rig I have.
Since you are kind of forced to always put them in that last slot of the MoBo they will make things complicated with any air focus case that relies in the bottom being open as they can almost fully block a 120mm fan and there is always the risk of any loose cables hitting the blades. Even for cases that just have a metal sheet covering the PSU area, you are always trying to not damage the card or the case when installing it.
Cabling it gets messy. Dismissing power delivery, the card needs to at least be connect to 2 cables: *the TB header and a USB Header*
Again, since you are encouraged to use the last PCIe x4 slot in your MoBo it gets messy. You can always put in any of the x16 slots but that would be a huge waste of a x16 slot IMHO.
Also, if you want *power deliverable* to be available in the ports, you will need to connect at least 1 PSU cable to it so that would make 3 cables connected to a single slot card on the last port of your rig.
In theory, having a PCIe expansion card for your Thunderbolt needs sounded good in paper (which is why I got it):
+ You could take your card with the next system and reuse it.
+ You decide what to do with your PCIe lanes instead of always committing to Thunderbolt support.
+ The cards always support 2 video inputs while this has only been a thing for the *Asus ProArt Z690* MoBo.
+ The cards can provide power delivery if you connect cables from your PSU.
In practice, the *Gigabyte* MoBos that support the add-in card tend to have less on-board connectivity than their *Asus* counterparts (despite costing the same they never include 10Gbe) and the add-in card, IMHO, has been a nuisance in practice.
The VRM tends to be better on the *Gigabyte* boards and their *Master* series tends to have a *power on button, back plate, dual BIOS and a debug display* which is lacking in the *Asus ProArt* series, but if you really care for the *Thunderbolt connectivity and the 10Gbe port*, I would go for the *Asus ProArt* series instead.
For X670E, the *Asus ProArt* series board seems to have *USB4* ports from the get-go so I would recommend looking at it.
I do prefer position of the second x16 slot on the *Aorus Master X670E* just to have the option of a second GPU (if you get an XL case with 9 expansion slots you can get up to a ~3 slot card) BUT it does not have the 10Gbe port (the *Aorus Xtreme X670E* seems to have it but that is not worth it).
As per usual, when it comes to MoBos, the decision is always rough.
Sorry for what ended up being a short review, but this topic is almost never covered in any MoBo review I have ever seen as nobody seems to care about connectivity but Gill =)
Hope this helps someone and wish you all the best of lucks.
(Sorry for any typos, it is rough to type this as a comment)
Hi Immortal Zodd,
Just now seeing this! We never received Notification of Your Comment! Glad We discovered! Well stated. Bios down to Connectivity. All of these Connectors yet only certain ones can be used given choices made. Crazy. USB-C Cables are a big problem for both Thunderbolt and anything USB-C. Thunderbolt Motherboard Cable Pin outs guarantee obsolescence! Did not expect that! To reiterate, USB 20Gbps is easier to implement and migrate. We need to be prepared for something better than all of this USB-C We're seeing now! Appreciate Your well versed Comments from Experience! Experience is always the best Teacher! If We can't connect Our stuff, move on to another Motherboard!
@@BuildOrBuy After I posted it, it disappeared even when using my account so I thought the algorithm deleted it =)
Glad to see my comment made it as it took a while to write.
Anyway, I agree with you regarding *USB 20 Gbps being the safest option* . I'm planning on giving it one last shot with *high end NVMe PCie 3 drive* in it as I remember seeing proper Thunderbolt speeds when I used one of those inside the enclosure.
Will be reporting back if I get the chance to give it a try as that *WavLink enclosure* is quite problematic when it comes to replacing the drive.
Hi@@immortalzodd7474,
We can definitely relate. Very frustrating! Appreciate You Sharing Your Experiences! Looking forward to Your Updates! Keep it Simple and Make it Work!
Gill, regarding going for a *workstation MoBo* , I would gladly go for them as a *WRX80* costs around *1200-1300 USD* even here in *Mexico* (considering the import taxes we pay here).
As a point of reference, an *Aorus Master X570* or the *Asus ProArt X570* went around ~600 USD at launch (including all taxes) so paying double for the extra PCie lanes is not a bad deal (they now go for ~400-450 USD).
BUT now the problem is the *CPU cost*
Even if you are fully OK with just the 16 cores, the *Threadripper 5955WX* is just nowhere to be found (same with the *5945WX*).
Next best thing is the *5965WX* which is 24 cores but goes for *3K USD* so it is a pretty rough up sell if you were previous OK with the performance from the *5950X* currently going for ~700 USD.
The PCIe lanes are tempting but the total cost for the platform is kind of a show stopper (right now).
I would argue that maybe in 6-9 months prices will settle for these *ZEN 3 based Threadrippers* as they just got released for DIY and they have no challengers but considering we are left with just the TR PRO line, in all honesty, I rather just wait for the ZEN 4 based Threadripper family instead (which may arrive in a couple of years though).
The alternative could be going for the *3955WX* which is going for *~1200 USD* here in MX and then upgrade when the prices settle.
If you can write these off as a business expense it is kind of OKish but I haven't checked it those CPUs would represent any bandwidth limitations.
Anyway, thanks a lot for putting the time researching the PCIe allocation and shared resources, nobody ever talks about them in any review.
Keep up with the good work and wish you the best of lucks =)
Hi Immortal Zodd,
Very much Appreciate Your Comments! We try! Very good points! Ouch on those CPUs! At $100 per CPU Core, all about the PCIe Lanes. And that's been fascinating to reverse Engineer and figure out! Still, a CPU based on price per Lane is a different way of looking at a Business investment. *128 Lanes vs 28 Lanes.*
Sir, will the ASUS Hyper M.2 X16 PCIe 4.0 X4 work with any of the X670E motherboards? I'm just starting the video now so apologies if you talked about it.
Hi John Galt,
Welcome! Great Question! Must have been reading Your mind with that Question in mind! Deja vu! We use 3 scenarios of Add in Cards. First one being a Quad card for possibilities of Slots and Storage based on PCIe Resources. In essence, doable but not practical with limited, Shared PCIe Resources. Specifically, limited CPU PCIe Resources! 16 CPU PCIe Lanes are what they are. This is a Consumer Desktop Motherboard whereas the Quad card to reiterate can be used here, is designed for the HEDT or Workstation with Dedicated PCIe Resources since Bifurcation occurs using CPU PCIe Resources! Fascinating Topic that needs explaining, repeatedly on every Motherboard! To reiterate, doable but with trade-offs namely using On-board Video instead of a separate GPU. Is that a good solution? Vendor obfuscation! Function over Form! Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Thanks for Watching!
Is it possible then to run 3 nvme drives on this motherboard?
I don't care so much whether they are gen 4 or 5, but moreso, where I need at least 3 nvme's for multiple OS
Hello SmalltimR,
Welcome! Excellent Question! Referencing the Motherboard Block Diagram in PDF Manual, Yes. M2A_CPU, M2B_CPU are Dedicated to CPU. M2C_SB is Dedicated through Chipset. Hope that helps!
You just convinced me to stick it out with my 3960X and wait for TR5 for 2023... Hope it's not at the end of the year!
Hi John Galt,
Smart choice! You have a HEDT! Congrats! We Outline and Define 3 Levels of Motherboards, Consumer Desktop Motherboards, HEDT and Workstations. You made the better choice. Your only path now going forward is the WRX80 Workstation Threadripper Pro Platform since both AMD and Intel seem to have abandoned the HEDT! It was perfect!
PCIe 5.0 looks good on paper. So far all implementations are lacking and disappointing. PCIe 5.0 is just a stepping stone. Nothing major but required. And right now, bleeding edge with issues to address and resolve.
For that time frame as You've Outlined... By then We should be into PCIe 6.0 and the NVMe Key Value Command Set. "A command set that allows Us to access Data in a different manner than the traditional block storage mode of accessing data that we’re accustomed to. The NVMe-KV Command Set derives its name because its Data is addressed by a key, which allows users to access a variable sized value (e.g., an object) and bypass the overhead of the host maintaining a translation table."
Implications of Implementing both will be more CPU PCIe Lanes for better PCIe Resource allocations! Not happening on a Consumer Desktop Motherboard with limited, Shared CPU PCIe Lanes!
CXL and NVMe, Fascinating technologies! On the horizon! Appreciate Your Comments!
What I read on Gigabyte manual is you can have 2 M.2 NVME Gen 4 drives on M2A and M2B and still get 16 on the GPU. Is that correct? If so that would be good. I have 2 2 TB NVME drives I would like to use and get full 16 on the GPU
Hi Flyer-rcplane,
Glad You found this Video! Correct! On this Motherboard all 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives are Dedicated! A great layout of PCIe Resources according to Motherboard Block Diagram in Motherboard PDF Manual on Page 5! Hope that helps!
Hi@JoeyRKDP,
Appreciate Your Response and Help! Thank You!
Regarding having *4 memory slots populated* , *Hardware Unboxed* tested that scenario in their review of the *7600X* released today and it looks like AMD finally fixed it.
For more information, please check their video and look past the gaming portions.
I can confirm that this was not the case for *X570 / Ryzen 5000* .
When I populated the 4 slots I always lost ~10% performance in any CPU based workload so I opted to go for denser sticks (for reference, this happened with a *5950X* ).
Hi Immortal Zodd,
Now that's very good news! Thanks for Sharing! We had read as much as a 30% difference in Performance! Even 10% would be annoying! AMD has also now indicated the Native PCIe [5.0] Lanes (Total/Usable) 28/24. Additional Usable PCIe Lanes from Motherboard: AMD X670E Chipset 12x Gen4. Plus... CPU USB-C DisplayPort Alternate-Mode. Interesting!
www.amd.com/en/product/12151
what ram do you recommend for this board? what do you say about 2x32gb 5600 MHz thanks.
Hi Jan Horák,
Welcome! Following the QVL or a quick lookup with Kingston. Whenever We approach a new Platform, historically We always look to Kingston first and foremost!
Only available direct and only in 2 DIMM kits. No 4 DIMM kits yet! And only available Direct from Manufacturer!
DDR5
What RAM? 2 - 32GB 5600 - 2 Kits
Fury Beast Black
1. *KF556C36BBEK2-32*
2. *KF556C36BBEAK2-32* LED
Memory for a *Gigabyte - X670E AORUS MASTER Motherboard* - Kingston Technology" www.kingston.com/en/memory/search/model/106077/gigabyte-x670e-aorus-master-motherboard?speed=5600mt%2Fs&totalcapacity=32%20gb&kits=kit%20of%202
Hope that helps! Success on Your Build! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks for the response, can I use one module 1x32gb 5600mhz? over time to buy others? Thanks
Hi@@bloodas1234,
Absolutely! That's a 2 part Answer to Your Question for Specificity.
1. According to Gigabyte, yes. In DDR5_A2 or DDR5_B2.
2. However, according to Kingston, did You read the Kingston documentation? As stated under, Important Configuration Notes.
3. Modules must be Ordered and Installed in Identical Pairs or Kits for Dual Channel mode.
4. Furthermore, If a K4 “Kit of 4” part is not listed for a particular speed/capacity, it is not recommended to install two K2 “Kit of 2” parts together. K4 kits are only listed if the configuration has been tested as stable.
Always, details matter! Change one thing, changes everything! Hope that helps!
Master and ProArt seem to be only two X670E boards not wired in a stupid way regarding PCIe lanes allocation. Idk what are they thinking this generation. Masters were always not-dumb-nor-gimmicky-high-end segment, but before upgrading I did my research and like every manual I looked at was: "Dude... wtf."
Hi Xee,
Welcome! We share Your sentiments on that for lots of reasons! This next Video, We're doing an Overview on MSI MEG X670E ACE for Slots and Storage. It looks to be better than the other 3 We've gone over! Just not enough Resources and not enough thought went into What, Why and How on these for real-world usage for Content Creator Rendering! Too much emphasis on form. Not enough emphasis on function.
Well, my friend, the day is upon us so of course I had to come and get your thoughts hopefully. 13th gen Intel chips, z790 mobos, and more pricing on some of the other x670 motherboards. I’m a big fan of the pro-art motherboards and I’m considering getting the x670e pro art. It’s priced at $500USD, I’m just a little iffy on AMD’s new CPU’s.
I’m hoping ASUS makes a pro-art z790 at a similar price point because the new Intel chips SEEM great, but only time will tell.
As always love your content and love gaining more and more knowledge with every video
Hi The Wright Network,
Welcome! I'm honored! Excellent Questions and Impeccable timing! ASUS has just now Listed X670E Motherboard Manuals! Perusing over that now for X670E ProArt! Next Video! Give me a few days to sort that out. We also now have AMD CPU published Specs which will be better than previous speculations! We can touch on ASUS Intel Z790 ProArt as well since We're Answering a Subscribers Questions! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy Awesome! Thank you so much! I’ll be looking forward to that video! It’s an exciting time for PC Enthusiasts for sure. I’m hoping those M.2 Gen 5 nvme drives won’t cost an arm and a leg as well once released.
Ryzen GEN4 info tells me what's coming in the next decade to TR Pro.
Hi Max,
You see that too! Exciting times. We just need to get past these initial offerings. Right now, PCIe 5.0 seems more like an experiment based on current offerings. PCIe 6.0 will be the one to watch based on the NVMe Key Value Command Set.
nvmexpress.org/nvme-key-value-command-set-provides-the-key-to-storage-efficiency
Appreciate Your Comments and Support! We have to talk about these Chipsets and show what's what.
As I watched a few of your videos about Native PCIe® Lanes (Total/Usable) pertaining to AMD processors, i started to look for this information on AMD Threadripper General Spesifications page and could not find anyting about Native PCIe® Lanes (Total/Usable) on a Threadripper (I used a 3960 as an example). Then searched the web using the usual browersers and came up with some interesting sites (meaning I got sidetracked). Hoping to locate the AMD page that will have threadripper (Native PCIe® Lanes (Total/Usable) I turned to you. Can you help me BuildOrBuy
Hi Wayne Osman,
Very astute Question! Glad You noticed! That's why We've been doing Motherboard Overviews for Slots and Storage of PCIe Resource allocations! That has been obscured in the past. Motherboard Block Diagrams are the best Source of Information. This is a process of elimination.
AMD 3960X is Threadripper III, PCIe 4.0. That would be TRX40 Chipset. What matters most is Usable CPU and Chipset PCIe Lanes.
AMD HEDT Platform - AMD 3960X CPU
www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x
CPU: 24 Core, 48 Thread
88 Total CPU PCIe 4.0 Lanes - Obfuscation!
1. Usable CPU PCIe Lanes = 56
2. Useable Chipset Lanes = 16
AMD TRX40 Chipset
www.amd.com/en/chipsets/str40
Slots and Storage for PCIe Lane Resource allocations based on Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme Motherboard.
Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/TRX40-AORUS-XTREME-rev-10/sp#sp
Useable CPU Lanes
16+16+8+8+4+4= 56 CPU Lanes +8 CPU to Chipset = 64 CPU PCIe Lanes.
Chart on Threadripper III CPUs
www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-threadripper-3970x-review
Both AMD and Intel are doing better at laying out these Specs. So We don't have to dig for them now like We were doing!
The difference in CPU and Chipset PCIe Lanes became apparent when Bifurcation was added to the mix. Only CPU PCIe Lanes can be Bifurcated!
To reiterate, For Threadripper III, TRX40 HEDT PCIe 4.0 Chipset, AMD Lists Total CPU PCIe Lanes but not Useable Lanes. Obfuscation! To reiterate, what matters most is for Slots and Storage. Looks like AMD might be paying attention to what We're doing!
This all started when Intel released their X299 HEDT, PCIe 3.0. And here We are! Hope that helps!
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Hi@@wayneosman8971,
Absolutely! A fascinating and very relevant topic! We need to know Options and Our Capabilities!
which is the best amd am 5 motherboard
Hello pertrica gaman,
Welcome! Great Question! One that will limit voltages to prevent frying a CPU! If Thunderbolt is not an issue, suggest MSI. A clean and simple layout. MSI provides Block Diagrams.
1. MSI MPG X670E Carbon WiFi
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List Your Top 5 Requirements and see which Motherboard measures up to what You want! What was Your last Motherboard? Keep in mind, none of these Motherboards should cost over $500. Beyond that, We're approaching a HEDT or Workstation Motherboard! Hope that helps!
So if I occupy 2 Gen 5 m.2 slots and one Gen 4 m.2 it dupes my performance?
Hello Metformin addict,
Welcome! Do the math on CPU PCIe Lanes and Chipset PCIe Lanes. A conundrum! Not enough of either! A real bummer!
@BuildOrBuy o figured it out !
Why is it that bios sees the m.2 but windows installer sees none of the m.2? Media driver not found etc. I can't seem to find the solution and I've tried resetting and so on.
Is it csm and fast boot enabled or disabled?
I have no idea
Hello@@metforminaddict2947,
Disabled.
What is the LED code for normal operation with this board?
Hi Silver Joystix,
Welcome! Are You referring to the Status LEDs? As follows: "If the CPU/DRAM/VGA LED is ON, that means the corresponding device is NOT working normally; if the BOOT LED is ON, that means you haven't entered the operating system yet." See Motherboard Manual Page 20. Hope that helps! Or are You referencing the Debug LED Codes? If this is Your reference point, what are You seeing? Does the Computer BOOT OK?
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the reply! The Debug LED codes. Is there a single code that indicates everything is okay? Every time I boot up I’m getting a different code (e.g., EA, 76, 42, etc.). It’s pretty frustrating because I don’t know if there is actually an issue
Hi@@SilverJoystix,
Absolutely! Good to know those Debug Codes. From what You've Listed:
EA - S3 Resume Boot Script Error - That's a long List of other Items!
76 - PCH DXE Initialization (PCH module specific)
42 - OEM post memory initialization codes
Understanding those Bios Codes helps to understand what's going on. Such as,
PCH - Platform Controller Hub, that's the Chipset.
DXE stands for Driver eXecution Environment and begins after the Pre-EFI Initialization (PEI) phase. This is all part of the Hardware Initialization Bootstrap before handoff to the O/S, if successful. Sounds like We need a Bios Update! What Bios version are You running?
BTW: RAM on QVL? Running EXPO Profile? Details matter! For now, suggest turn off Power Saving. This is not a Laptop! Although a Consumer Desktop it's still a High Performance Consumer Desktop! That would resolve S3 Issues. Testing and Verifying! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy This definitely helps! I’m going to return the board 😂. I was running Bios update F8a and then I downgraded to F7 because I thought 8a was a beta version. All this did was change the error code.
In addition to this, moving my mouse cursor around the bios interface was super sluggish and I have no idea why. Even figuring out how to update the bios was more work than I wanted to put in.
I’m glad I found your channel.
Hi@@SilverJoystix,
Glad We could help! The X670E is bleeding edge technology! And as such, a work in progress! Expect more Bios Updates for Compatibility. Yes, from Gigabyte a Bios denoting lower case is Beta. Think of it as Alpha! Sluggish mouse, like Microsoft, fix something break something else!
Another issue We're getting requests about is DDR5 RAM. We'll address 1 major RAM Question in this next Video. If However the Video once Filmed is deemed too long, We'll extract that Content for a Seperate Video.
BTW: Any WHEA Errors?
Glad You found Us too! A WRX80 Workstation Motherboard is still a better value right now! Yes, PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 are the future but maybe not the present unless You like to Tinker!
The MSI MEG X670E ACE has better management of Resources. And this next ASUS X670E Motherboard Video We're working on, looks good as well.
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