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Another Source Of Primary Noise
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2018
- I found another source of primary noise that I think I could hear from time to time going down the road. Being inside the primary, it's hard to diagnose exactly what is making one of several noise possibilities.
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Thank you for the video. Just bought a 2012 Ultra (never owned a Harley before) and the weird ticks, knocks, and whine had me worried. After I took it to a indie shop, they told me I should only worry is when the noise is louder than the exhaust and the radio lol.
So true! I guess it's part of their character and charm to make all those mechanical noises! Welcome to the HD club and happy riding!
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Finally...a well done....helpful video about one of items on the laundry list of weird noises from a harley .
Thank you
Thanks for this video. Mine does the same thing and was worried that I would have to replace the compensator. No problem finding neutral so all good. The videos keep them coming. And loud pipes keep me in the good graces of the neighbors. 😎
I been chasing a noise for 6 months now, installed new lifters, cam chain tensioners , cam bearings. I guess I'll just go the tried and true way of eliminating noise...cotton balls in the ears! works great
I have owned 4 Kawasaki 1300 inline 6 cylinder motorcycles. Even with the inherently smooth running inline 6 the clutch baskets rattled pretty badly on all of them. The one was so bad that I convinced my Dad's Harley riding buddy that it was a diesel. I reember him being amazed that it did not smoke. Than he noticed the spark plugs. My 85 flhtc with 50,000 miles is very quiet as long as the primary chain is adjusted. It seems that the manual primary adjuster is the way to go.
Thanks for the info, Tommy! I don't know how I could record it, but I swear I can hear that clutch basket rattling at idle or between shifts, etc. Funny story about calling it a diesel, hahaha! Ride safe!
Good point. Thank you for sharing. Another reason to have loud pipes......loud pipes lives matter.
Loud pipes matter lol.... let's cover our faces with black bandanas and kick antifas ass.
I don’t have a noise in my primary since I have a sportster. Harley kept it simple for these bikes and should have done the same for the twin cams and M8’s
Damn I thought my Ultra limited was the only bike with a Fire Department Medallion on my Horn . Lmao I guess not. Looks great
Loud pipes save lives.
well it rhymes therefore it must be true :)
If you're trying to diagnose a knocking noise like that primary if you pull the clutch in that noise should go away
Thanks for this video I truly believe I have this problem.
Thanks. I was hunting for noise from my primary in bullet. This helped.
I might make yet another video on noise.... This time from the GAS CAP! LOL
Thanks for the video. Good info to have.
Rekluse steel basket sleeves will solve that “old oil can” rattle. You get two enthusiastic thumbs up from me on your videos.
Did you guys see where the new recommended, viscosity of oil in the primary is 70 to 140, or there about, It's in a dealer mechanics video somewhere that I can't recall at this time..👍
Thank you. One more noise off the list!
Liberty Lol, true that!
Geee thank you, you just fixed my Roadglide lol, I’ve been chasing a clucking noise for a while in my primary. I was thinking I had the dread neutral rattle but this would explain my noise. Two thumbs up 👍👍.
So it's not just me?! Thanks for the comment! 😎
hey Mark, Dan Bowling here,I had to replace my stator on my 13 Roadglide. when I took it apart I couldn't believe the locomotive style engineering. It rattled alotand being the gear head I set out to find out why. Finally I noticed the wear on the compensator bearing that it rides on. the compensator I'd was brindled a little but not damaged badly. the bearing original OD was easily measured and was a bad fit. way to much clearance. I went to the dealer and picked up a new pc. with thrust washer and Mic's a few to get a better clearance fit. I T's much quieter but still lacks proper lubrication to the thrust washer. I believe that is also a problem with slop as its plastic thickness gets thinner. the part is 28 bucks
@@danielbowling1528 thanks for the comment. I hope this keeps your 13 on the road a good long time!
Im learning more and more about what "thats normal for a Harley" means
Lol, you get used to it after a while. I just put new front motor mounts in. $80 a pair!
@@contact4mwy7 I picked up a 2005 Harley Road King this year from a family estate. It is a gorgeous bike, but it is a rebuild/salvage title bike and was completely disassembled and restored piece by piece, as it was a Hurricane Katrina flood bike. So unfortunately the guy who did the work on it and knew everything is now gone. So every little noise freaks me out. I am taking it apart right now to install These rocker locker inserts, hoping to hell that solves this terrible clackety sound im hearing on the top of the front cylinder
Yes, I have and know that sound very well. My bike is an '09, so for you the compensator may not be an issue on that year. But, the cam chain tensioner shoes will need to be checked at some point. Search out "worn cam chain tensioner harley davidson". The plastic shoes disintegrate over time and miles and send plastic boys through the engine if not caught in time. Metal from the support arms can also shred off and contaminate the engine causing a complete tear down and rebuild, replacing damaged parts. All in all they are a good machine and fun to ride, but be aware of their maintenance needs and life is much better!
@@contact4mwy7 Yeah....I'm aware of the tensioner thing on the 88s. I hope to hell when the bike was rebuilt he knew about it and got good ones. I do know he sent out the motor to be completely restored. But I have no idea! The good news is the bike only has 2,500 miles on it. Yes! I know, but it's true. He went through all this time and expense to rebuild it, and even did some upgrades, like a 6 speed tranny....But I think he realized after he got it all done that he had grown too old and the bike was too difficult for him to handle so he never rode it.
@@contact4mwy7 I actually saw a video recently where this guy had totally torn into a motor. And he shows how the little screws that hold in the air box on a twin cam had worked their way loose and ALL THREE of them got sucked into the cylinders and virtually destroyed the cylinders. Seriously? That's the cost on a Harley of not using enough loctite or torquing a fastener? Complete destruction? How the hell can I ever take this bike on a long trip with confidence????
Thanks.
Mark I know Its been a while since you did this video, I just wanted to add the observation that as I was looking at around one minute and 44 seconds into the viewing, that what I thought was that noise was not the clutch tabs, but the chain roller behind your finger tapping into the gear space. Just a little more chain tension and that would go away I believe. I really do like your Harley videos because I learned plenty of good things from them.
Thank you, maybe it was a combination of the two? I'm going to open up the primary to inspect things and possibly replace the Hayden tensioner with the factory automatic tensioner.
Mine makes this sound when I push the kill switch, a quick tad, and rapid tadtad follow by it ( as all the moving parts winding down) no noise when idle or riding 22’ flhxst
I don't see it. Mine sounds like it was scrapping. I did a huge high rev for a nabor, I let it sit for 30 minutes it was gone, but I hadn't rode it yet.
When is it time to change the primary chain? Great video, always have plenty of light!!!
Thank you, Bob! For me, I changed mine at 75,000 miles because could see it was developing a lot of slack. I ran out of shims for my Hayden tensioner, so instead of adding more shims I bought a new primary chain.
Great video very helpful
I have a 2012 Heritage with 8k miles and when it warms up it sounds almost like a rod is knock. I think it's coming from the primary. Ask you rev the or ride the bike you still hear it. With 8k Miles and the way the motor sounds otherwise, I'm fairly certain it's not the motor.. and bike was not abused.. any advice?
I would take it to a dealer or shop that is familiar with these bikes and ask them what they think it is. There are a lot of moving parts in there and any of them could be the issue.
I'm having the same issue with an 11, just under 18k. Broke the primary apart, checked everything and then ran it through gears, knock went away. Now the noise sounds like it's related to the chain or maybe clutch?
Did you ever figure out your noise issue?
What about a vibration around 60 . Pull the clutch in and vibration goes away .
have you ever encountered a whirring noise coming from the secondary output drive sprocket bearing?
I have not yet. Is this something that didn't used to be there and now is? Have you compared it to other bikes to see if they are as loud? There is a bearing cage there that is oiled by the primary oil inside through a hole so the oil drips down into it.
The compensator will make a bit of noise that can also sound like whirring, which as long as the bike starts up with no issue or clanging just means it's working to smooth out the pulses of the cylinders before they get to the clutch.
@@contact4mwy7 the noise has been there for quite some time, but has gotten worse over the years. Some days its worse than other but it is louder than the open exhaust when its happening. Going to be taking it apart this winter
The only other part I can think of that would make some noise is the chain going over the primary chain tensioner, but for it to be as loud as the exhaust, I doubt that's it. Wow. Curious to know what it turns out to be for sure!
@@contact4mwy7 if you wouldnt mind checking this out, i took a clip of the sound and where it is very loud. sound familiar? th-cam.com/video/m0Q1Hd-nesA/w-d-xo.html
Very good video.
Clutch plates expand when they get hot. And they get plenty hot.😆
Yes they do, Brian, thank you for your comment.
That is the exact sound my 2005 1200 sportster makes.
I have the same bike and problem as you.
Sorry to hear it, Thisis Atest. I recommend upgrading to the Screamin' Eagle, that's what I did, and yes there's video. Thanks for commenting.
Ahaha, nice comment at the end of this video, thanks for the tip.
Great video very informative thank you Mark, you're good looking dude coming from the straight guy.
Harley best sounding eng. but you need to mechanic to keep up with maintenance!!
how does that pass EPA sound requirements as our exhaust does? or is it all BS. eatither way the motor co. should fix it at there dime and time and not our's
Or just get some big speakers and crank it up
Dude ,I ve got an 87fxrs and that is noise I started hearing at low idle cold .Tore primary apart ,chain good adj and compensator nut tight .That knocking noise from clutch driven plates hitting basket you got is kind of what I m hearing. Sounds like connecting rod or bottom end but in primary ! My bike had 80 K miles ,motor professionally rebuilt 6 k miles ago so I m hoping its just what you showed us .
I hope so too. If no other issues, ride safe!
I m ready to ride it like I stole it ! My old mechanic buddy said its a Harley it makes weird sounds
@@gregr1672It's the rollers tapping on your rear gear, the chain is either a little loose, or your oil viscosity is too low. happy adjusters make happy chains (not loose chains)...oid saying but 7/8 is too loose !
Looks spces out to compinsate for the metal expanding under heat because its an air cooled engine
Your clutch basket is worn out (slots that catch the clutch plates has gotten enlarged) it's very typical of any Harley. My Shovel head has a worn out clutch basket and it makes a similar sound, though it's a different clutch setup. Though nothing will happen the noise can get annoying! 😬
Hey man you seem knowledgable I have a 07 heritage noise coming from primary only in neutral kinda like a low growl... any thoughts?
Mine does exact same noise when I release clutch fast and gear is on. Is it possible that same thing causes that clutch release noise?
I would guess it is possible. As long as it's not interfering with starting the bike, etc. I wouldn't rip things apart just yet.
You're probably the most posted compensator guy on youtube, I've watched most of your videos. In the end what set-up did you chose? modified, stock, SE, Baker etc? I just dumped $1200 in Bakers comp, adjuster, HD's rotor cover and a complete all balls starter after killing my THIRD starter clutch pack and being TOWED HOME.
I went with a SE compensator, but not the newest model that utilizes a plastic funnel to dump lube into tiny ports near the bolt of the compensator. Either model is more rugged than the stock one these bikes came with. I have yet to find there is a lube issue, which there may very well be, but rather a spring pack wearing out issue. That being said, I added one more medium sized spring washer to the pack to give it a bit more strength than stock. This is my second year running this setup and hot starting the bike is still not a problem, and the engine pulses are not thrashing the drive line like a solid comp sprocket. It still has enough "suspension" to work with. I am still curious about the Baker models as I have not had one to look over. Let me know what you think of it. Thanks!
Cheers Fer Ur video,man
ok..I still can't find the answer to "my" noise..front of the motor/left ish..once in a while at a light,clutch in I hear an alarming clank!..multiple click/clanks like someone tapping a metal plate with a hammer!..then it disappears..please help! 2003 screming eagle 103 road King
Robert, are the click clanks in rhythm with the speed of the motor? As though a front motor mount is worn out or loose? I really hope you get this figured out and hope that it's not something that could be a hazard to your safety!
If it doesn't make that noise when the engine is under load then its probably just a noise.My roadking makes lots of weird noses but when cold or under load its fine.
I just switched to mids and had to take off my already noisy primary. Put it back together and I cant stop focusing on the noises coming from it.
Im losing my fuckin mind!
Scared to ride it. But Im about to take it for an hour.
In this area I found a Whistling noise as I slow down that sounds like a bomb dropping from the sky
That's a sound I haven't heard yet. Hopefully it's nothing serious?
Hey man you seem knowledgable I have a 07 heritage noise coming from primary only in neutral kinda goes away in gear sounds like low growl... any thoughts?
How many miles on it? 96 cubic inches? It could be the sound of the chain going over the tensioner shoe, bearings on the clutch shaft, something along those lines. It's hard to tell the source of every sound, but if it's coming from the primary side and area it might be worthwhile to open up the primary and look for the source.
@@contact4mwy7 Only 27,000 so a quick back story I bought the bike in January from a guy on craigslist. it had 25k and some change when I bought all I changed was the transmission and engine oil.. the last inspection sticker was 2020 so it had been sitting.. Honest to god I didn't even notice the sound coming from the primary till I took it to a local shop to get new tires and the guy told me about the noise.. Its just strange because I have been able to put 2k miles on it this summer and had no issues shifts just fine only issue is a minor decel pop when coming from like 6th5th to 3rd2nd but it doesnt happen every time either. Honestly I have one more month of riding left up in Vermont part of me wants to just run it through October do you think I would be ok or?
Lol..good advice 😂
Have like a hooting sound coming from the primary
If it's a whirring kind of hoot sound it's probably just the primary chain sliding over the plastic tension shoe. Keep an ear on it, if it starts to sound different then I would look into it.
My noise I'm chasing is a rotational whoring. That goes away on hard excelleration. But is loudest at steady speed and more but softer rotational should when you let off throtte..... help need ideas
Bruce, what year and model bike?
@@contact4mwy7 2014 FXDL Lowrider with 4000 miles on it, bought it last oct with 900 miles on it
@@contact4mwy7 i'm leaning to the primary chain tensioner, but not sure wish harley had left the inspection cover in the primary
@@brucesantacory1390 I would rule out the compensator for that year and low miles. Most likely the chain tensioner is the sound you are hearing as the chain links slide over the plastic shoe. It may be annoying, but as long as the bike is performing as it should I would try to live with it.
@@contact4mwy7 thanks, but this noise it louder than my screamin eagle muffler any chance the auto tensioner is too tight ?
Hi mark , just noticed today on my 08 roadking after went for ride when i jiggle rear belt pulley , the front transmission pulley kinda making slight knocking sound... And now the bike cold & that noise isnt there anymore. Do you experience any of this before ? Thanks
I have not personally experienced this myself, but I've been noticing a similar noise in my primary that is coming from either the clutch or the bearings on the main shaft that are installed in the inner primary itself. It seems yours is only making noise when it's hot? I've heard of the primary stretching between the motor and transmission with temperature change. Could your primary chain be too tight and when the bike warms up things are stretching and pulling against the primary chain? Keep poking around TH-cam and message boards and asking questions I hopes that you find someone with an answer to your situation.
@@contact4mwy7 hi mark thanks soo much for fast reply , didnt expect it this fast ! I took primary cover , clutch basket , primary chain out when the bike was warm earlier and jiggle the belt pulley and that small knocking noise it does sound like come from the transmission pulley , got home from work earlier & bike is cold , there is no noise at all. I will remove inner primary case tomorrow & inspect further see if there is any movement on that transmission pulley. Thanks for your video mate , ive learnt a lots ! 🙏🏼
@@contact4mwy7 ps : my rk 08 only done 23k miles
@@awedihdaira2786 there is a bearing that holds the main transmission shaft in place. The clutch and belt pulley are mounted to that shaft. Try to see if you can detect any wear of the bearing or the race sleeve that they are supposed to roll against. Did you check for tightness of the primary chain when you took the outer primary off?
@@contact4mwy7 yes i did check the primary chain before i took them off , my bike using one of those automatic chain adjuster. I really hope the problem is not the transmission pulley bearing because i dont think im capable enough to replacing that 🙈 i will have a look tomorrow , thanks again mark 🙏🏼
What brand pipes are on your bike
Vance & Hines Monster Rounds.
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hi what's the solution to eliminate this noise ..
I haven't found a way to eliminate this noise, it is associated with how much free play is in the construction.
@@contact4mwy7 ok, but how come all twin cam bikes are not having this noise .. what's ur take on this Mark
My take would be that it may be due to different tolerances of the parts when manufactured, or wear of these parts from mileage?
What ,mechanical things move and make noise ..................NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO say it's not so .I've lost all faith in humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SAD.
Hahahaha, I needed that!
Rods,wrist pins,main bearings,cam bearings,clutches,lifters,push rods,exhaust leaks,primary chains,transmission bearings,lots of fun things.Take your pic!!
Harleys make noise. Wear ear plugs and buy loud exhaust pipes that cures the noise. I'm guessing none of you newbies have ever riden or listened to a Pamhead. When it breaks fix it,till then spend the money saved at the local watering hole.