Nintendo 64 emulation on the Switch is FIXED | MVG
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Nintendo has released the latest 2.0.0 update for the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack. The good news? Nintendo 64 emulation has many improvements and fixes. In this episode we take a closer look.
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Great to see they've finally fixed these issues. Some people thought our concerns were childish, but I think getting these games to run accurately is important for video game preservation. Imagine if reprinted books had rewritten passages that were "basically the same" but used less flowery language, or cut out paragraphs all together. *shudders*
Exactly!
Nintendo: *game preservation? what kind of sinful thought is that??*
@LightEnergy_233 Where did this come from? We were talking about something completely different, also, it's good to be sure-footed in your own opinions, but it's still your personal opinion, and others are allowed to have them as well. I like Nintendo exclusives and you like Sony exclusives, let's not devolve this into a stupid never-ending argument about which is better, because both consoles and parties have their own pros and cons.
@@SoulBre4ker He just deleted his comment lol
Not to mention, you're paying for it. If it isn't the way you want, it is absolutely okay to complain about it
I know I made the same comment in your last update but I'm still shocked Nintendo is actually addressing these emulation issues. It's kind of absurd they didn't have some basic things like OOT fog correct from the beginning, but it's great to see that these issues are being addressed. It seems like Nintendo sees this as a long time investment and that it's to important to address consumer concerns in this area. The input lag is still more of a work in progress but hey, they're getting there. Thanks for putting this together, man.
actually it is more complicated than you think, nerrel made a great vid about this, and how much of a nightmare it is even today for Nintendo emulation to work well even in modern hardware and all the mess it requieres for it to work properly, the problem here was that they release this before it was ready which is bad and should be called out if it were that gamers have been condition to already consider this the norm.
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@@zleeven Nerrel also calls Nintendo out for being entirely anti-consumer in the last few years. Something MVG loves to sweep under the rug.
Ikr
@@calebb7012 Nintendo was always like that but like kobe Bryant being hailed as a saint even though he cheated on his wife, people see what they want to see. They're the same company that made licensing ridiculous on the nes and shunned sony in a potential partnership. Still I love Nintendo and Nintendo games and it's great that they are putting their energy into improving something that most people probably won't even play.
Input lag is a deal breaker for me. I'd rather they have gotten that fixed first.
Good updates on here, I'm just hoping they'll eventually allow an option to clear the screen of extra icons, like the profile icon in the corner or the connection status icon while playing online.
Like those bizarre screen borders on the left and right… this is something so easy to fix, I have to wonder if Nintendo are deliberately not fixing that… for example so they can identify NSO content in TH-cam videos easily for the the purpose of copyright strikes?
stop demanding normal things from nintendo you mad lad what's next?? FOLDERS?? hahahaha madness
We should be thankful that the water texture was fixed at all, let alone after only two updates. What's the bet these hectic fanboiis demand something absurd like widescreen in these 40yo games? Pfft, it's like they think Miyamoto is some kind of crazy hackerman githubbing it up in the Ecuadorian embassy or something.. absurd and ridiculous!!
.. nah this is pretty cool. Cheers MVG 🥂
We're gonna need the whole internet to complain about it and make it a trend before Nintendo fixes anything.
@@grimslade0 Erm... isn't being thankful for the meagre scraps Nintendo throws you the very epitome of a "fanboii"?
ZFG stated input lag comparisons for Ocarina of Time versions, derived from a seemingly reputable source:
Switch 2.0 (current): ~200 milliseconds
Wii VC: ~150 milliseconds
N64: ~100 milliseconds
Majora’s Mask on Switch also is ~200 milliseconds
We know OoT runs at 20fps (1sec/20 = 50ms), so to match VC they still have to improve the lag by 1 frame, right?
@@plumbummusic2051 Yup, but 2 frames to get to the original N64 version
@@plumbummusic2051 That’s if it’s true that OOT runs at 20 frames per second. I don’t personally know the rate it runs at, but that seems correct
@@user-wl2xl5hm7k there is a highlight video in Zfg's channel titled "Messing Around with the Fps in OoT" where you can see him using some features in GZ, I believe, and a brief explanation on how to manipulate the fps in that hack. If I'm not mistaken every N64 version, aside from PAL, runs in 20fps, except on some occasional spikes where the game lags.
Honestly it may seem small but for me my biggest issue they still haven’t fixed and that’s an option to turn off the gray NSO border. For me it really ruins the immersion of the games. Especially when comparing Mario 64 in the 3D all stars collection vs it in the NSO app
I agree completely that this should be an option, however I really love this border personally, especially when the actual game is quite dark or black, like in certain NES games (i.e. Mother), it somehow makes it look more 'native' than if it was completely black border.
I agree, I've been playing 3d all stars on my OLED and it's miles better for immersion. Sunshine is so pretty on the OLED! The dotted gradient border on NSO really bugs me.
Also burn-in for some TV owners!!
Also burn-in for some TV owners!!
Honestly, I didn't know why these games (NES and SNES included) felt shallower than their OG counterparts, but now that you mention it, it's totally gotta be the border. We've asked for lots already, but this should totally be a thing!
Congratulations to everyone raising the issue and ridicule to those that gave glorious reviews on launch.
moot statement assuming nintendo knew the issues if released prematurely just to make some money up front, and had the fixes in their pocket down the road anyway
@@svanput what would happen if nobody raised the issue?
You're giving yourself and others too much praise.
It's highly unlikely they didn't know there was some issues that needed to be ironed out.
@@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189 if the issues were so obvious, how could they not? the devs more than likely knew straight away.
@@juicemanvon9859 Game devs always know of ALL existing game issues because that is the job of their Q&A. NINTENTO just wanted to quickly release a cash grab with nostalgia written on it and fix it "maybe later".
I’m very happy that Nintendo is fixing this stuff. Personally I’m always going to prefer playing on original hardware, but regardless it’s nice that it’s starting to get more accurate to the original. Also I’m still kinda mad that people were calling our valid criticisms “childish” like c’mon, at the end of the day it’s about getting more people to play these games, and if they’re playing inferior versions they’re obviously not going to enjoy it, but yea, much better now
Goldeneye has very complicated copyright issues, which is why we haven't seen a re-release or proper remaster to date (except the leaked Xbox 360 version, but there was no official release of it, so I'm not counting it). I don't see this situation changing anytime soon, unfortunately. Goldeneye was a staple of 90s multiplayer videogames.
Nintendo recently paid the German government to delist Goldeneye 64 from their list of banned games. There are also screenshots of Xbox achievements for Goldeneye 64. The copyright issues have likely been resolved and there is sufficient evidence that we’ll see Goldeneye on Xbox and maybe the Switch.
i did say fanboying lol. hopefully one day
@@TheWizardOfOunce That just means Nintendo and Microsoft came to an agreement. EON, MGM and potentially IO Interactive, depending on their contract, have to agree to the rerelease as well.
@@DarkLink1996. Why are they bothering with this agreement then? Promise of financial returns no doubt ;) It's a good sign!
Perfect Dark is still a possibility though 👀
It’s good that they’re fixing it, but I really wish they would add a purchase option. Subscription model is great as an option, but not if it’s the only way to access something.
The name "Nintendo Switch ONLINE" makes me think that will never be the case sadly. This is a service, through-and-through.
@@phattjohnson GamePass is too, but it allows a purchase option as well.
Wish they did too but the industry is basically trying to kill game ownership alltogether so I don't expect they ever will. Sad to see what we lost since 2006...
it would be very nice if the loss of the virtual console on wii means they bring that over as an option to switch.
Damn, that's high praise indeed if this update is enough to earn MVG's recommendation! I was thinking I might upgrade if the service ever reached parity with previous emulation offerings by Nintendo, and it seems like that time may be coming after all.
I still think though it's pretty scummy that Nintendo won't carry over purchases you made on an old console to the Switch. Not just that, you can't buy these games outright on the Switch, but have to rent them instead.
So what, I have to pay $5 a month to get what I could have gotten for free with already existing community emulators? Nintendo can cry and scream and kick and try to ignore it, but many of these N64 games are over 20 YEARS OLD now. Were these games adhering to patent law expiration dates, the copyright would have expired on them and they should be going into public domain. This is bullshit, and regardless of the emulation quality, the Expansion Pack service is NOT worth it, and will never be worth it without at very least an option to buy these games outright AND HAVE THEM CARRY ACROSS TO FUTURE NINTENDO CONSOLES. That is the only way in my eyes that Nintendo asking for money for these old-ass games would be at least somewhat justified.
@Code Turtle I imagine that you're someone who doesn't find value in the DLC that's included 'at no cost'. I'm one of those people, for now anyway (I don't play either of the games that have DLC that's included in the Expansion Pack). If you don't mind me asking, what would you consider to be reasonable?
@@arnox4554
Or how about they make it all for free, if not support rom sites? Same with the other two companies.
This is great and all but I really wish I was able to simply buy the games I want instead of renting them for a year. That’s still my biggest gripe.
@Adam Schwartz: Please read the entire comment before replying, to avoid replying question that I have already address. If you just started with the nintendo switch, that is just unfortunatly the modern way to play classic game, rent only. Or if you did have a WiiU with does purchase digital content, and you sold it because you assume Nintendo switch was going to do VC again, that is not Nintendo fault that you did that. When the paid online subscription first started in September 2018, people says your online playing 20$ US dollar for the Nes online only, that was false, the 20$ US dollar was to continued playing modern online game that was behind the pay wall, and to smoth out the change they added the NES online happe, people that like the NES got no problem, then in September 2019 they added SNES to it, and that same false rumor still show up, your paying 20$ US for just NES, and SNES only, that is false, the 20$ US dollar was for modern online game. Why did they decided to do it like that to implement multiplayer friend list to NES , SNES online, and now N64 online, Segea Genisis without spending to mush money on it. It would have cause them to mush money to implement friend list multiplayer to each individuel purchase classic game. For example: take a look at this what if senario: you still have to pay 20$ for the modern online used, I have to purchase Nes Super mario bros. that is 20$, but because I payed the online services it only discount 5$, so it is still 15$, why so expensive friendlist multiplayer online for each purchase game, and it would have goten worst from that point forward, and if you did not pay the online services it would be 20$ for NES Super mario bros. you just don't have the multiplayer function available, but it still cause that mush because it is implemented into it.
@@SuperNickid I mean… I have Xbox game pass too and you have the option to buy any game on that as well. Just kind of wish switch went that route. I grew up with all these games and have them on other platforms. I simply wish I could play ocarina of time on my switch without paying $50 annually until the end of it
human history.
*until the end of human history
NSO’s emulation is still well behind emulators from a decade ago. And since you can’t own any of the games, that’s really bad. It has fewer games than the Wii and they still run worse. Plus you could actually buy the games on Wii
Nintendo always sucked, great developers but the worst business men in suits who are out of touch with their target audience
You don’t own any of the games on Gamepass or PS+ either
@@Nay089 You can buy any game on PS+. You can buy any game on GamePass, at a discount if you’re a subscriber. You can’t buy a single first party NES, SNES, or Nintendo 64 game on Switch. It’s locked to the garbage service.
Try again shill.
If want play like Majoras Mask or Ocarina of time there was PORT versions to 3DS with some enhancements.
@@noobahoi no, I mean on the PS Store if you buy a game, you own it. That game can either be given out as a free PS+ game, or you can buy it on the PlayStation storefront. You can’t do that with NSO games.
Plus, physical is no guarantee of ownership either. It’s still a license to play the game as per TOS. Console manufacturers can remotely brick your console if they want and your physical game won’t play. So anyone who thinks physical is bulletproof, it isn’t.
It's a step.
Still not enough to justify $50 annually if you have an EverDrive lol
Or knowledge to setup project 64 or mupen 64
Even if it was a quid I fancy you would still say the same thing so why even bother saying it at all?
They also added lag to Majora’s Mask’s ending cutscene, making it more accurate to the N64 original even more so than the Wii VC.
I see Goldeneye as a separate remaster. There seems to have been so much done to get it to gamers to put in on NSO. It also seems that it could be an XBOX / Switch release.
@N.Dpendent there is sufficient evidence that those licensing issues have recently been resolved
@@TheWizardOfOunce you gonna show any of it ?
@@jamiecranton Google is your friend. Look for an article on EuroGamer titled "GoldenEye N64 no longer banned in Germany"
@@jamiecranton there is also the high res achievement art that leaked for an Xbox rerelease of Goldeneye.
A retro collection on physical cartridge for each virtual system when the service reaches it's final state on Switch would be a really nice thing (very little shot at this happening, but it would be neat nevertheless).
Will never happen. Nintendo cant even give us a decent port of Mario 64.
They had the opportunity to give us a physical cartridge for the first Fire Emblem on NES for the switch and just gave us a download code so I don't have that much faith, though I will remain cautiously optimistic.
@@calebb7012 Oh yeah, I agree the odds are near zero, more of a ponder about the possibilities that aren't made.
I would hope that NSO online continues onto the next console release.
The Wii didn't have an account system so when the Wii U introduced one I thought that this may mean that I could continue playing purchased Virtual Console games on all future consoles. That turned out to be a disappointment.
Our standards are now so low that we think a few minor visual fixes and a teeny improvement in input lag is a cause for celebration.
Yeah it's pretty sad
Also didn't the expansion pack come out like 3-4 months ago?
I wouldn't consider those visual glitches minor but I still agree
So Nintendo *IS* actually listening to Player Feedback!? Damn...
No let's make them *REVERSE* the upcoming closure of the Nintendo 3DS Online Store!!
Just mod your 3DS
@@speed3414 Too much effored for me haha
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 Even with TONS of guides?
@@speed3414 Haha OK maybe Not 😅
This.
Now, if only Nintendo would listen to the feedback on the pricing. Or the feedback on the WiiU/3DS eShops closing. Or Joy-con drift...
Or literally anything would be nice for a change.
good luck on the rest of those 🤣
All the companies need to fix stick drift tbh. Valve did with stick drift, but not everyone else.
With how much they were charging, it should have been like this in the first place. It was utterly unacceptable to release it the way they did. They probably ruined a lot of people's first experience with OOT.
Hearing they've supported the product and taken to this point is excellent, and for the first time makes me start to consider signing up... till I recall the ridiculous price of admission. Maybe another time. Probably not. Thanks for the great coverage.
Wish you could remap controller buttons on the N64 online switch controller
There's still no custom button mapping for the joycons on N64 NSO?
Love your videos! Where did you start learning about computer graphics basics?
Whew was worried Nintendo wasn't able to handle emulating a 20+ year old game.... The bar is nonexistent.
I wish they'd add Kirby 64. It makes perfect sense to add, especially that the new Kirby game is out next month
I believe it's on the list of upcoming games they had from the original trailer.
Please no one respond to "username goes here", its clearly either bait or some kind of bot, it WANTS you to get mad.
@@sethgob5591 just reported them for harassment
@@TheWizardOfOunce comment was deleted now!
It does make sense, but I wouldn't doubt Nintendo might fear cannibalism. Idk, something to think about.
I'll still not use Nintendo's modern emulators, this is only scratching the surface compared to the many more advantages that fan-made emulators have, they are still light-years ahead in all fields.
Nintendo really needs to up their game if they are charging this much for subpar emulators in comparison to ones I can get for free, and the amount of games they are drip-feeding onto the service.
Nintendo's emulators are the bet, AND they're official.
Great to hear many of the most important issues have been fixed. That still leaves ghost data and memory pack bugs still to fix but maybe someday they’ll get to that.
Amazing, I’m sure MVG played an instrumental part in getting those issues fixed 👍
It's embarrassing that it took them this long to fix something like that. People shouldn't buy this until it is all fixed !
I'm glad to see they're fixing emulation issues. However, this is not an emulation package, it's a perk to an online package, and an online package with no lobby or invite system is an online package that has no business sitting behind a paywall.
Considering the Expansion Pack is not a "perk" to NSO, but rather is an Add-On TO that online package that more than doubles the total cost, it's probably good they're prioritizing issues with the emulation, but you are right that the lack of a party system/on system voice chat is pretty sad in 2022. Unfortunately, in that case, I think the lack of those things was a calculated move to reduce background CPU/memory demands further (we've already seen games like Doom Eternal that disable the ability to record videos etc. to free up more memory/CPU time) - perhaps the next model of Switch will have enough spare CPU power and memory to run games AND have a decent online system.
@@yellowblanka6058 I don't believe the hardware excuse for a second. Even setting aside system level solutions, Nintendo used to do a better job of handling those things game-by-game than they do now. Mario Kart DS, if you were already playing online, would alert you if a friend was looking for a match. Neither MK8 Deluxe nor Super Smash Bros. Ultimate do anything of the sort. Sure, Nintendo's always been behind the curve in online features, but the Switch has noticably regressed even by their own standards.
Nintendo then: if we're making the gba backwards compatible with Gameboy/GBC, we need to test every game to make sure people aren't disappointed by it
Nintendo now: we want more money and people want the same variety of retro systems from the last console, so let's grab like 10 or so of our most popular N64 games, an emulator, and announce it tomorrow
It's good they're listening to feedback, but it's still awful that there isn't a 1 month or 3 month option for this subscription. I'm not paying an extra $30 for a service I won't use the whole year.
It’s very nice to see that. I was already considering to upgrade my NSO subscription because for the 12 first months it will be cheaper than the MK8 expansion that I want anyway.
The N64 not only being thrown to the customers but also being maintained is a great selling point.
(Well and I guess NSO+E will get more expansion packs in the future after it already got MK8 and AC.)
not related to the video, but I was wondering if you knew about the "frankenstein mod" that replaces old 90nm RSXs on backwards compatible PS3s with more reliable 65 or 40nm RSXs. psx-place has a big thread about it.
This is the first time I've heard about this. If there's a place I can get this done, I don't mind getting a BC PS3, then send both that and my own slim PS3 to get a "best of both worlds" PS3.
@@ZX3000GT1 it's still being experimented (and documented) but there are confirmed reports of working "Frankenstein units" on Game Console Repair Legion on facebook. it's safe to say that it still isn't super popular and only a handful of people on Earth have done this, but it's early to say anything and as soon as the thing takes off it'll be plenty of shops (hopefully) offering this option. I bet it's not going to be cheap since the whole process implies patching the syscon, soldering a few resistors in the right places, replacing the RSX and a few other bits and bobs, depending on the type of mod.
Nintendo used to be one of the last companies that released complete products, that even felt good to have on a cart without any updates at all. Sad to see them going down the same route as everyone else, releasing broken products and fixing it later.
There is a comment here with lots of thumbs up defending game companies that release buggy and defective games. I feel like customers are the part of the problem lol.
They need to fix other major issues such as lack of controller pack support the N64 had for games like Winback, controller remapping at the per game level, and poor online play. While I'm glad the fog in games have been fixed and save glitches gone, there are still plenty of other visual glitches that need fixing like in Star Fox with fire effects and Ocarina of Time Ruppee visual glow. Still not worth the premium service price for me
Still doesn't change the fact that there is no virtual console and all the content is being incredibly overcharged and drip fed compared to previous consoles...
I really appreciate the coverage on this, it helps people like me make an informed decision to purchase the service and without videos like this, I would have remained hesitant to do so. Keep up the great quality content MVG.
know, please fix the red triangle that can be seen in choco mountain, fog is now correctly display, but you can see that red triangle in the texture of the montain.
it only took a while to get the games in a semi tolerable state when it should have been delayed instead of releasing in its past state. you know a service is in bad hands when it takes this long for not terrible emulation before majoras mask was even factored in
I’ve noticed there are still a lot of unfiltered textures in Mario Kart. Maybe that is accurate to the original and the lower resolution hid it, but I’d have thought I’d have noticed it after all the years I’ve been playing it.
If you're playing with CRTs back then, yes those TVs have "filtering" of sorts, through scanlines IIRC. Someone more knowledgeable could actually explain (or correct me if I'm wrong).
@@ZX3000GT1 the N64 actually had an anti-aliasing filter built into the hardware itself, in addition to the natural scanline/CRT glow "filtering" you'd get from a tube monitor. because the N64 Online app lacks any sort of image filters, there's no way to play the games as originally visually presented on N64.
the DOOM 64 remaster actually has an optional blur filter that mimics the N64's hardware antialiasing.
@@ShadowEl I remember N64 has 3 point bilinear filtering, but never knew it had any kind of AA. Interesting.
@@ZX3000GT1 I don't know that it's proper "AA" by name but it does have some kind of hardware level filtering that Nintendo's own emulator doesn't compensate for.
It was a very rudimentary implementation of AA. It was basically like a blur filter that helped hide any jaggies and blend textures.
The fog seems to look a bit better on VC to be honest, especially with the decu tree
Do you have any links to places to learn more? No doubting you whatsoever, just curious how things compare overall to the Wii VC. Thanks.
That's probably due to resolution. Wii VC only goes up to 480p, and N64 games are scaled accordingly. The Switch goes up to 1080p, and the N64 games, again, scale accordingly.
The closer to 320x240 resolution, the better N64 effects will look.
So wait, how does this work on there? Is it a download? Or are you streaming the game?
Glad they're listening to the feedback
It’s nice to see this, I have the 3DS version of Ocarina of Time; I’ve heard it’s a great version so I’ll hold off on the service
Glad they are working on it but I need options. Scanlines optiions, button mapping options, more legacy content and my big one option to buy the legacy games.
Lack of a CRT option for N64 is really jarring to me. The N64 generation was the last to have 320x240 CRT scanline resolution for video games.
Great video, now this has me leaning much more heavily into trying out the full service pack instead of just the basic one. I would like to see the availability and pricing issues with the N64 controller get resolved (or let us do some per-game button mapping option), but at least the software end of things is getting patched up.
Still needs matchmaking or at least join-via-code options. Also heavy crt filter settings given how high they're trying to blow up the spritework.
If anyone have a pc emulation is the way it's free and non laggy
It really should've been like this to begin with. But I'm glad they at least fixed it after the fact.
Still, you can't buy these games which would really bother me as a customer... also, one still can't remap the controller however they want.
Glad to see Nintendo listening to the fans. Fog rendering being broken was still very strange.
Good to see they're working on it! I'm still not 100 percent sold but it's looking pretty good. I just wish there was a way to disable the borders around the games and just have a blank screen. I don't like how much static imagery there is with the OLED model being a thing.
Doubt that will cause burn in dude.
Bought the expansion yesterday due to all the fixes. Any recommendations for a controller with proper mapping (other than the official NSO N64 controller)?
A few of the wireless n64 controllers have updates that will let you use them there
I think the wireless tribute 64 is what you're looking for.
@@ultraspinalki11 Do you or anyone else know if the wired retroibit Tribute 64 controller works? That's the one I have.
Retro bit n64 controller is the best
@@TBrizzle01 I personally dont know, but check out reddit to see if someone has asked a similar question. I usually find the answers to all sorts of tech-related questions in there.
Nintendo's online service is absolute crap. Don't say "I can recommend this over the Wii's version." when that was released pretty much bug free. Imagine paying extra for a service and getting this pile of shit. At least Sony and Microsoft offer previous 8th generation and what is Nintendo on again? They're releasing 5th generation games that still don't function correctly. That's pathetic. Saying anything like they're listening to feedback is so stupid, they're not. They're doing it because they look like absolute clowns. This is endemic of how Nintendo work. There has been a gamecube emulator for years and even a switch one lol... Nintendo are so far behind technology wise it's embarrassing. Wake me up when they finally emulate 6th generation stuff on switch, then maybe their online service will actually be worth something until then their extended service can kiss my arse.
I love your work, MVG and understand you want to give this a positive spin... but Nintendo isn't your friend. So maybe stop praising them so much for doing what should be considered the bare minimum amount of effort and respect for their consumers.
then don’t play they’re shit simple
@nymphie , this person gets it! @tai, i skipped the wii u and switch. wouldn't mind skipping a third time
@@_Majoras ngl man, too many fanboys will defend nintendo to the grave. It's kinda weird!
Fantastic to see! Sadly it doesn't seem they have fixed the weird pause menu lag in Paper Mario 64.
I think I'm one of the only few who liked not seeing fog in some places. For example, I thought it was cool how you could see the great deku tree off in the distance from kokiri forest.
Still not worth what they're asking.
This is really good news I just recently added the service and this definitely gives me high hopes for what's to come.
"Hey!"
Starts gritting teeth into powder.
have you any videos on coding the ports you talk about throughout your videos?
Do we know they're actually listening to player feedback, or are these fixes coincidental? I want to believe, but Nintendo really has lost my trust over the last few years.
it could very well be that they knew all along how the state of the emulation was and they still went with it with the idea of releasing post-release patches to make it work the way it should tbh
Only Doug Bowser is likely to have understood according to Rich of ReviewTechUSA.
It would appear that you're happy to report this
They should fix the controller mapping, for example, for Pro Controllers: Left Stick = Analog Stick, Right Stick = C-Stick, D-Pad = D-Pad, ZR = Z, A = A, B = B, L = L, R = R, and + = Start.
I think the version of Zelda for Nintendo Switch runs at 30fps, is that right or not? saludos!
They fixed emulation of the systems they have all of the information for...... wow great job! people did that 20 years ago.
🤣
I would still rather just use my own roms than paying a monthly service just to play games I've owned for decades 🙂
ya exactly. I'm just like "Yippee? i guess, should i really be excited or care about this?", i really just don't care at all cause there still selling this for 50$.
Did they fix the games not saving if they crash (or presumably if the battery dies) or just fix that one specific crash?
4:38 this is NOT full 480p captured quality. it's rather 480i or a general blurred capture. with a MayFlash HDMI adapter and the mClassic upscaler, you get a super good image out of the Wii 480p N64 emulation.
If Nintendo added old game expansion passes like Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 to the Expansion Pack it *might* be worth it. Until then it's still too expensive!
They could also just put the Smash Ultimate and maybe SWSH expansion pass there.
I'm sorry to disagree with you but, starting to pay monthly or yearly for any DLC is bullshit. Not only these are already content that will go with the end of your subscription (so why not just buy the thing in the first place) but it isn't an argument in favor of a subscription.
Imagine if they set up a trend with this and Sony and Microsoft starts to also put their dlc's in a subscription service.
@@atomickid it would be an issue if it was the only option but having hundreds of bucks worth of dlc for 50 is pretty nice. The biggest issue is that you need to have the subscription active. I definitely prefer getting the dlc outright but I dont mind the option as an optional choice.
Well if Nintendo has it working this well the home brew emulation must be great
It is.
Love how all the people who claimed they weren't real issues and didn't need to be fixed, or that it was impossible for Nintendo to fix it because of the Switch hardware (there were many) will just disappear now.
The day they add Diddy Kong Racing, Iggy's Reckin Balls, and Blitz 2000 is the day I _might_ finally buy into the NSO expansion pack.
Yay, it only took five years after the Switch launched for them to match N64 emulation the Wii had on Day 1. WOOOOOOOT
The Wii had 400 games on Virtual Console that ran better and were available for purchase five years after launch.
The Switch has like 125ish games that run worse and are online only rentals five years after launch.
The Wii VC’s emulation quality remains higher still, so there’s that.
It didn't take Nintendo 5 years, it took them a couple months to match N64 emulation.
The heck are you talking about? N64 just released for the Switch in December 2021, not 2017!!
@@gamephreak5 The Switch launched five years ago.
What about the joystick sensitivity issue where it's too sensitive with small movements? Has that been fixed? It makes aiming in games such as OoT a big pain.
I don't think so. When I was trying Majora's Mask I kept overrunning the deku flowers trying to hit the middle to dive in.
I was using the NSO N64 controller on my real N64 through the Intecgaming BT N64 adapter and I noticed the sensitivity. I don't know if something like that can be fixed by just a firmware update since it seems like a potentiometer issue.
That's why the Gamecube styled N64 joystick replacements were too sensitive. Instead of reading, say, 85-95 steps max like the OEM N64 joysticks, the modern gaming potentiometer reads 125 max, skipping steps along the way to reach the maximum. To fix that would require direct editing of potentiometer code, and changing how it reads joystick movement for N64 games.
I guess it could be fixed through firmware by compensating for the sensitivity.
I have had an issue with MK64 monitor playback in multiplayer. It is completely broken. And normally shows whoever's in first place on the monitor. And now just shows us still image of the startup line of whoever was on the monitor first
Some days ago I upgrade it since I had to pay again my online subscription and decided to fully upgrade, so I am happy to hear that they fix a lot of problems
This is the update I’ve been looking for. I’ll be picking up the expansion pack now that it’s at an acceptable state.
Its the 25 year anniversary of Goldeneye. Microsoft and Nintendo have renewed licenses. I would bet on a release on NSO and Xbox GamePass this year if its ever going to happen. E3 shadow drop maybe?
Have their been any significant changes to input lag with the latest update that added Golden Eye?
I really wasn't expecting them to fix this. I was impressed with the NSO N64 controller, but everything else about the Expansion Pack rollout seemed insultingly half-assed. Hats off to them for keeping at it until they had a quality product. I can now honestly say that I'm happy I subscribed.
Question: Is this a "games as a service" situation? When the switch store closes, are all the n64 games you play on your Switch gone?
Yup
Yes but more than likely there will be a switch 2 so you won't have to worry about that because the eshop and switch online will carry over to the switch 2 avoiding this issue entirely
it's even worse because it's renting games service situation. if after 4 years you paid $50 every year for a total of $200 to access 20+ year old n64 games, you lose access to games you spent 200 dollars on.
@@sygos In that case, I'm kinda surprised MVG is making such a big deal about it. Anybody with a brain hates games as a service. @Flaming Sword: Has Nintendo announced they are going to do that? Otherwise, what in their long history makes you think they would ever do that?
Here's the thing, the NSO is separate from the Switch eShop, so when the Switch eShop closes, you won't lose your N64 games if you're still signed up for the NSO. It'll just carry over to Nintendo's next console.
What Nintendo is doing with the NSO retro emulators and games is futureproofing them to work on any future Nintendo consoles without having to make you buy them again and redoing the porting process from scratch. So as long as you keep paying for the service, no, you won't lose your N64/SNES/SEGA/NES games.
If no one had complained they wouldn't have fixed a thing, and it would still cost $50/year for broken, unplayable messes they can take away at any moment. Meanwhile RetroArch is on Steam now with free cloud saves.
They may have fixed the Watt crash in Paper Mario 64, but the menu screen still lags.
Did Turok 2 have any fog issues? I seem to think it did but it's been so long that I can't remember.
This happened in part because of you and your community. Thanks!
Nice, it's good to know they're still working on things. The Mario Kart 8 dlc sold it for me and having games like Banjo Kazooie and Majora's Mask on the go is great.
I’m pretty sure the MK8 DLC is also sold separately, just so you know.
Can I use a GameCube wireless controller for button mapping?
And this is why you should always complain when you are not satisfied.
Well done guys.
Glad everyone spoke out about this. The goal as always is to get the best experience you can for the money, especially a monthly subscription. These were all realistic criticisms & I’m glad they’ve been improved. Money aside, even though this is a subscription, I hope Nintendo realizes the importance of preserving the style & feel of these games.
My thought is that Nintendo are the worst, and especially when they are on top like they are now with record Switch sales and whatnot. There is really no excuse to (re-re-re-)release 20+ years old games in this state, especially since they are all emulated perfectly on so many other platforms (including Nintendo's own) and have been for many years, and for free.
Okay
Waking up on a saturday to a new MVG video. Good stuff!
There is one minor issue in Super Mario 64 I did notice that would be nice if Nintendo fixed it is Mario's Shadow which is A bit off from the Original Cartridge.
Glad to see the NSO N64 Expanison conclude the open beta phase and be ready for release!
Jokes aside, I think these minor visual bugs are only the top of the iceberg of problems with the N64 expansion. The visual bugs are fun to clown on, but usually they don't matter that much. Many of the problems many people have with the service comes down to its core design. You pay an insane amount of money every year to rent virtual copies of a few hand-picked games. There's no option to use your own ROMs, no fan-mods, no high-res textures, no cheats, no remapping controls (outside of system settings), etc. While it's good Nintendo is fixing the more egregious visual bugs and (slightly) fixing the ridiculous amount of input delay, these should never have been issues in the first place. Even if the emulation is completely perfect, which it will never be, I think it's not worth it at all.
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Now I'll be getting this for sure, likely just before the first wave of the new Mario Kart 8 tracks. I'm still holding out for Tetrisphere! I adore that game.
Question about the service. Does it do what the Zelda gamecube emulation did where the Y, X, and R buttons do the most common C-buttons?
Nintendo's already burnt me on this service. Luckily I didn't get it so I didn't have to deal with any of these issues that were fixed. There's still some bugs in the N64 stuff though and Nintendo taking so long to fix it burnt me on it so I refuse to get it. I'm trying to get my hands on a Wii U so I can buy these games cause I ain't spending $50 a year for broken games I can already play on something else that they aren't broken on.
Thanks for the update, glad to see Nintendo listened to the gaming community rather than just shrugging it off.
Goldeneye on NSO would be straight up legendary.
That's cool, what if we stopped giving money to companies for unfinished products? I know we'd have less to make videos about, but maybe there's a middleground we can reach where the odds of a product being finished on release isn't akin to tossing a coin. It's rocket science, I know :D