Counter Strike 2 Has Loadouts Now
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2023
- Counter Strike 2 has added loadouts where you can only take 15 weapons total into the server, along with a new menu to replace the radial buy wheel. This is the biggest change to the formula of Counter Strike that we know of yet in the new CS2. Mirage has replaced Dust2, and we have a LOT of great updates here, I'm excited for the future of this game!
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The buy menu looks like valorant, but it's 99.99% taken from the danger zone buy menu which was released way before valorant
real
think it was even before danger zone like 1.5 or 1.6
csgo player trying not to admit that they game have a valorant feature any%
@@zorev7925Valorant player trying to claim Riot, the company notorious for not having an original bone in their body, invented a rectangular buy menu thats been in countless game going all the way back to the early 2000s.
even if it's taken from Valorant, it's nothing compared to the amount Valorant copied from CS
I am really hoping that role specific loadouts don't ever become a thing in counter strike. One of the things I like the most about this game compared to valorant is that everyone is on equal ground and I don't have to deal with getting shafted into a support role because other people wanted to play duelists, or worse dealing with role queue like in overwatch or dota.
It won’t
I agree hard, I don’t want to be bound to a role, hopefully it wont
it fundamentally does not work for the game, so unless valve is insane that won’t happen
Yes I agree, it would suck if the enemy picked utility and it just so happened that your team didn't pick the 'counter' to it, resulting in the enemy being way more powerful than usual with no counterplay. One of the best aspects of cs is that pretty much anything your enemy has, you do too, or at least a different version. At most, if this does become the case, players should still be able to switch loadouts mid-game.
@@kc3reo I don’t see this being an issue, or at least a new one, from what it sounds like your describing an already existing issue, in that sometimes out of random occurrence you will get countered based off what you and the enemies buy. The most likely case is that everyone has relatively the same ‘loadout’ and leave out the weapons that most people don’t buy anyways (m249, revolver, nova, autos)
One situation where the loadout system could be awkward is buying for teammates. It makes sense to buy an AWP for your teammate if you're the one with the most money, but now you can only do that if you have the AWP in your loadout, so players will have to keep the AWP equipped even if they don't personally plan on using it themselves. I think it will contribute to a situation where everyone equips the same 5 weapons so that they can buy for their team.
For rifle, everyone will have AK47/M4A1S/M4A4/AWP/Scout anyway, who tf play aug/krieg anymore lmao ?
OMG!! you remind me of this real situation!!! so often!! fuck that valorant menu!!
@@touchingstone Danger Zone menu* that valorant copied like usual
@@ChipsGoutSmegma But a lot of people are playing galil and Famas, at least me and my team do. So now as a rifler I would pick AK/M4A1/M4A4/Galil/Famas then you can't drop AWPs for mates, nor you can go for a scout force buy. For me it's very limiting, as I tend to drop a lot and as a Team we are using different weapons. I'm not excited at all, I'm afraid they are specifying too much on loadouts and roles. I don't want Valorant or R6 I want CS
@@glatzenklatscher-polierdie3190 So you'll probably play smth like AWP/Scout/AK/Galil/Krieg for T site and AWP/Scout/M4A1S/M4A4/Famas for CS side, where is the problem ?
I simply say, make every weapon available for casual, and allow players to change their loadouts during warmup in competitive. This way casual players won't have to suffer and it encourages communication between teammates on a deeper level than just callouts.
Well you can change your loadout during warmup just like you can swap between deagle and r8 in warmup on csgo.
I think they should add timeouts like in faceit and allow players to change load outs during timeouts. That way if a particular start isn't working they can always pivot.
@@lartonki Wait, you can do what?
@@95HH yep
That's great if you're playing Premier with capable people, not so much when you play Silver, Nova or MG lobbies. DMG+ should be alright.
I think the new loadout system will solidify the “meta” even more, as players will not want to try out new weapons even more than they already don’t want to, if they have to give up a gun they know for the entire game. I think for that reason it’s a horrible idea to make smg’s and heavy one catagory with only 5 slots
Bingo, 100%
If you end up having enough money to buy for someone else and you don't have AWP equipped you'll get flamed for it.
I think it's a flawed experiment. Other than creating a nicer looking buy menu I don't really know what the point is.
I like to use the m249 as well as the negev depending on my money, but I also like using the MP9, P90, and a variety of other weapons. I typically go through almost every gun in a match. This is going to be terrible for players like me because I don't really like following the meta so much as just playing the weapon I feel like using and have money for.
War Owl is way off on this one, this is a very bad move by Valve. I especially hate the blocky look of it, I'd rather just keep the buy wheel honestly. I'm not against change, but I *am* against bad change.
@@FoxElliottm249 chad spotted
I'd like to hear from Valve what the idea behind the loadout system is, because I don't really see any use for it. Well, maybe except to remove weapons to make the new buy menu possible?
But yeah, as of now I'm not a huge fan of that change. Especially if it really should go the round of "role specific loadouts" in the future. The fact that everything is the same for everyone always was what made CS so much better in my eyes compared to all the other FPS's out there who use loadouts, operators, character skills and so on.
I think they wanted a smaller buy menu... and this was the solution, but that's just my guess so I didn't include in video.
@@TheWarOwl Yeah, looks like the only locigal thing to me. But Valve works in mysterious ways, so who knows what they have planned for us.
I mean they probably changed it to address the multiple requests to have both m4s equipped + r8 and deagle
my guess is they plan to add more weapons, and balance the existing weapons better.
for me i think it just removes the guns i dont like and i never even buy so it works for me in comp but if i play casual i dont think it will be the same
I like the buy menu. I am not sure about having a limited amount of weapons in the game, it will change things, but only time could tell. I'd hate if this game turned into having roles dependent on loadouts and such. However I do love the fact that you can have both M4A4 and M4A1-S at the same time.
One of the reasons I don't like Valorant is having to learn different characters skills, in cs roles are much more fluid, as Warowl said.
Counter strike source one is better in my opinion
@@beamboy07 I liked the csgo circle worked really well.
@@marcospiazza2961Yeah,and making the game having difference between loadouts is over complex,but i like the refund option.If its possible,they should retrieve the old buy menu with the refund system
Hopefully they go back on it and make everything available, while having the ability to change the ordering of each category. Because for me there are rare specific situations when I want to use something like the negev.
The loadout system could be interesting for the competitive scene as it requires a team strategy, but for casual players, I think it would be more hurtful than useful for the reasons you actually mentioned. I agree with pretty much everything you said, it was exactly what I was thinking for the most part.
I'm a casual player. He's entirely incorrect. We pretty much only use like 3 or 4 different weapon types.
I'm a casual/competitive player. I buy a variety of weapons based on what my team is using/adapting to whatever the enemy team is doing so I gotta agree that killing the radial menu sucks
@@mikepaquet9616 if you are using other weapons than the meta ones then you are just a rarity, a niche player. I don't remember using anything besides the main weapons since last year maybe in deathmatch. In compe/casual more than mp7/galil/m4/ak/awp/scout i don't really care. Famas on rare occasions if i want to torture myself and mp9/aug/sg/g3 if somebody dropped them on the ground and i don't have any other weapon.
Edit: i forgot about shotguns and p90, i'm not a shotgun player, i kinda hate those, and p90 is good ig for certain plays. I don't really go for it so it falls into "somebody dropped it on the ground so i'll pick it because ii don't have a weapon"
Is the loadout new? I've never played anything but casual, so i dont know if this is present in csgo competitive... Anyways, think that a loadout is unnecessary exttra layer.
@@1974best never was a thing in cs. Maybe danger zone
100% agree! New buy menu is great, limited weapon choice is iffy. There is enough space for all weapons or atleast one more collum/row. In its current form it could become anoying queuing for multiple maps that require different loadouts and experimenting with different weapons as a noob is disencouraged.
They could even make a "Show all" option to see an extended buy menu with every weapon. That way loadouts can be kept for quick access to your most bought weapons while not restricting the weapon choice in a match.
Personally, right now, don't think it matters... You really don't need more weapons than what are currently on offer. Whether or not you have a Mac10 or an MP7 or a Negev is not going to dictate your particular 'role'.
The problem is that this signifies more guns being added within the future which would require a more limited loadout. But that shouldn't be a problem either depending on how they do it. Provided they just add a new T weapon and maybe a new sniper (though personally I don't see this as necessary) then there's not enough impactful weapons to really dictate how you play. Like, if we are being realistic, what SMGs, Heavy Weapons or Pistols you have/don't have isn't going to change how you play. It's just your access to the best weapons that's an issue.
The way I would personally solve this issue is making a 'hybrid' loadout where everybody has access to all the rifles and it's just the other weapons that face restrictions.
@@pagatryx5451 I think people have an issue with is that, it's going to be a "role" thing. Depending on what loadout you have, that's your "role". But arguably you can still make your loadout still diverse and play the way you play now. You can still be a rifler and an Awper. People kinda act like you can only have one choice over the other. I do believe that even in the future if they add a new gun which is probably going to be not frequent and maybe by annually or every after a major you can still play the diverse player that you still are today. Maybe in the future there's going to be a loadout that's very much keen to a rifler because they added new rifles or something like that, it doesn't really mean you can't play a diverse loadout. Albeit you still have to sacrifice the choice of being able to use other guns, but still that's a change that valve isn't forcing you, valve isn't forcing you to pick a "role", you can still be diverse albeit have not all the weapon choice. And that's an IF, if they added more weapons. What do you think?
Let's face it, we will fit everything we need and still not use the entire loadout
Definitely don't need 5 pistol slots out of 15 weapons...they didn't think this through imo
Exciting for sure, but I'm interested to see how this fares further. I honestly prefer having all options available, especially when dicking around with other weapons, and I agree, for new players this may restrict from wanting to play around with other weapons, even though they'll eventually stick with meta.
VAC, and the new map editor is forsure a pog
As much as i love being able to buy five seven and cz whenever i want, i’m not really a huge fan of the limited choices of weapons. I usually play lurk but i mainly fill out a role that my team needs. I don’t particularly play awp often, but there are certain spawns on certain maps where I go for an awp pick and then switch out to a rifle with the actual awper. Plus i like the option of being able to buy whatever weapons my teammates need if we need to equalize the money
Yeah they better not limit it so much or it'll be a problem :(
I really liked the radial buy menu. For me it was almost as fast as the numbers and more reliable.
Same, wish I can choose to have both in a setting
exactly I can flick through that menu in like 3 seconds and get whatever I want I got it memorized
But you have more than enough time to buy what you want before the round starts
As someone coming back to csgo in preparation for cs2 I'm loving watching your videos again. You are easily the best cs content creator since your such a good perspective between super knowledgeable and still being nice to new players lmao.
Also was so hype to see you at the tourney in Dallas! Hope you doing good man and can't wait to keep watching these videos!
Whaaaat? He played in the showmatch? I missed it
real.
@@Thund3r18 he was on stage opening cases and talking to the crowd. Atleast that's what I saw on the live stream, didn't see him play a match though, but I might have missed that.
I wasn't expecting you Here, hope you are having a good day TTG
Met WarOwl yesterday, said "hi", he pulled out a chainsaw from pants & got rid off my limbs, then said "have a good day". Chill dude
Didn't know he was chill like that 😮
Frfr chill dude
How are you everywhere
And the link with the video?
How do you type without arms
Thank you WarOwl, PERFECTLY said.
The worst part about Valorant is how niche your game can feel due to having your options locked off. If you pick Chamber and your teammates are useless, failing to use good smokes or flashes... tough luck, you can't swap agent mid-game, and Chamber has no smokes or flashes.
Meanwhile in CS, if your team are useless with utility, just throw your own smokes or flash for yourself, you have more ability to carry and take things into your own hands.
I'm really not a fan of loadouts because, although we can now equip both M4's, everyone will just pick the meta loadout and half the guns will feel like they've been removed from the game. Sure, I get it, no one buys the Bizon 99% of the time, and I don't think this change will matter much for the hardcore competitive crowd, but for the casual audience (who will likely increase when CS2 releases), having less variety if bad; many new people will put off-meta weapons into their loadout without realising nobody uses the auto-snipers, meaning Valve will either have to start buffing the useless guns, or you'll be playing games where you say 'bro buy me AWP' and your teammate says 'sorry I don't have that in my loadout' constantly.
Not to mention how fun it can be to have your whole team buy M249's when you're winning by a landslide, just to try and piss off the enemy team. Overall I do agree with balancing around the best players, but this often has side-effects that disproportionately effect casuals, e.g. making bots not spawn in competitive when a teammate quits made comp way less enjoyable for me, and reducing the AWP magazine punished me hard since I miss so much.
Now it looks like my dream of having all weapons available to buy at once is dead; sure, both M4's is nice, but overall we've dropped to just 15 total weapons, and unless you can change loadouts mid-game I'll often see my casual matches feel stale since I like to use the whole arsenal of weapons when I can.
Warowl's passion for CS2 is showing so hard. Seems so much happier in these latest videos. Good for you man!
but when will the M249 be made useful?
that'll be a universe-shattering change
also, interesting that raytraced lighting is baked. why did so many games go with realtime raytracing?
When the negev is, and that gun has only made negative progress…
you can't bake randomly moving lights and shadows
They should just give the M249 the Negev's old stats and cut the price down to $4700.
@@Krays_ ray-tracing doesn't have to be randomly moving tho. it's just a method used to render light with rays. it can be baked
@@Krays_ no, obviously not, but static lights and its bounces can be baked, yet that’s not even remotely advertised when it comes to raytracing.
Honestly, I think the mid tier kinda suffers, since it's a catch all category despite having the same amount of slots. Very weird change, but I'm open to giving it a shot. I hope it doesn't boil into a strict meta, but short term I'm game for having a bit more specialization and personalization for how I play.
CS is a pretty static game, and a very fragile one as well. Such large changes are always cause for hesitancy. Hopefully this next playsession solves some of the retention and population problems they had before so we can get a better idea of the full implications of the changes.
It’s also the category with the least used amount of weapons
@@BubbaMcKOol The career P90 and shotgun warriors would disagree.
@@philliplewis1586 in silver
Ahhh it brings a tear to my eye the fact that there is new and exciting things happening with this game and therefore new and exciting content for you a vet content maker to speak about. I know there were some dark times so I’m happy for you right now.
I think the buy menu has a very nice visual and ease of use upgrade but the functionality is probably more of a side step. It's nice because it lets you pick your favorite weapons and have more choicer situationally eg ,5-7 and, cz or having both m4's, but looks like it can be restricting especially for the mid tier category of guns. personally I don't think to much more equipment will be added especially for comp but I think the menu being like this provides a really great potential for new gamemodes and even modding if configured right. I also think casual should have access to all weapons available it would give new players a place to use all the weapons and would likely make it more fun for people looking to mess around.
It's not nice, because it only lets you pick a few weapons
as someone who exclusively plays casual, i hope we can have an option where we can use the old buy menu with way more weapons, a big part of the fun of cs for me since 1.6 is just playing around with the weapons outside of the "meta"
I'm thinking the same, I don't play much but once in a while I hop in casual and rotate through every gun to have fun. I hope Valve will add more weapons (but not too many), and I think the 1.6 buy menu would be better for all weapons option
i think this is a good idea for casual to have access to every gun, because thats really the main issue with the loadout system is how it affects casual play
Yeah as a causal player I love choosing different weapons to just chill out
I really hope for that aswell. I wouldn't mind this system if its only in competitive modes. If casual just had the full buy menu then it would be alright with me. But as it currently looks the idea of being more limited on what I can use and play with sucks. Seems like a horrible change.
I think this is the correct option. Keep a unrated mode with all weapons accessible, and ranked would keep this new system. Their new system clearly implies more weapons/util coming so I dont see a reason for them to revert it until we see what theyre cooking
I believe that the loadout system is maybe the ONLY miss so far with CS2. I like basically every change, but as you said, an equal playing field is extremely important for the health of the game
Pretty sure Valve have something planned for us already, so I trust them with this game.
When have you, in a serious match, needed more than AUG, Famas and your M4 in the rifle category? Now you can add the eco m4a1 to it for rounds when you're short on money , so you don't have to use the famas. Idk, I personally think this is a buff for competitive, and nerf to trolls. You already weren't equal as some people brought M4A4 and couldn't buy on some short-money rounds, and some brought M4A1 and lost spray downs against multiple enemies.
@@xSintex
It's about more freedom vs less moronn. When games go for the latter it's always a bad move. And how tf is it limiting trolls? Now they will purposely have bad weapons in their loadout and now have an excuse to not drop proper weapons.
@@xSintex Why not have all of them? Seriously. Lack of option in this instance only hurts the game and diminishes one's ability to explore the game as a new player
Exactly. I once tried playing CoD Warzone and it was extremely offputting that you had to first level up a lot to get the good weapons. Or that you had to find them first on the map, while other players just had them from the start. Just don't!
Excellent rundown of the update, love your content
4:03 100% - this is something I think about a ton all the time. This already feels like a slight departure of that principle.
But it might be an okay compromise as long as loadouts don’t start becoming role-specific as you were saying in the segment before this.
I will be honest I love how CSGO is bringing changes but your chess analogy is exactly how I see this situation and I do what then to implement this "choose the guns" before playing the game because it takes the freedom each and every player has before the round starts.
Exactly. It's removing options which is bad.
@@EchoLocoCJ Also adding options in terms of both M4's among other selections, which is then good, no?
Hopefully they won't add more guns, because I think this is a slightly better alternative than what we had before, since if you have a preference between A1-S and M4, you're only really removing the auto-sniper, and you could still take that over a Famas or Scout, if you really wanted to have a meme option.
@@S1mplyKasper okay so we can have both m4s. That's one added option. Do you know what was removed? _fucking everything besides 15 guns_
I'd rather have every gun in the game so I can change positions, playstyles, and economic options than have both m4s. Or hell, why not both?
@@S1mplyKasperimagine memeing the night before only to find no m4s in your buy screen
@@EchoLocoCJ No matter your position, playstyle or economic option, I'm fairly sure the guns you feel bad about leaving out in this option is at a bare minimum.
I'd liked if they kept the wheel, and then let you customize it, though I do admit that I like them putting SMG's and heavy's together in a category.
I'm not sold on the idea of a limited loadout either. I like the freedom of choice. Yes, having m4 and silenced m4 technically _is_ more choice, but honestly not a good one if you ask me, because you have to sacrifice other (potentially more eco-friendly) options. Maybe if they had 4 categories instead of 3 (you know, like it's been so far) but don't assign each weapon to a specific slot instead make them all interchangeable within their category. Everything else that valve is doing is awesome though, I love the refund feature. I hope they add a buy request feature also, or make defuse kits droppable like they did with nades.
Another way would probably be to just give players 15 slots in total no matter the weapon. This way if you wanted to take 6 rifles you can.
So basically get rid of category specific slots and make them just slots
@@user-bt8xr5si9y ecos and saves would be difficult, you dont always want to only chose between MP9/MAC-10, Scout/Galil/Famas, Deagle, p250, and Tec-9/Five-seveN, some smgs are only viable on certain rounds in certain situations, and removing dynamic gameplay is always, ALWAYS a bad thing.
realistically when did you use something more from smg/heavy section apart from mac-10/mp9, mag-7, xm, negev? (when playing competitive and not trolling)
I'm so confused but I've never played CSGO so bear with me. What prevents players from accessing both m4s at the same time in CSGO? WarOwl's like "previously you had access to all guns, now to only 15" so I don't get it
@@ulixo1132 some guns had a shared slot which you had to chose between 2 options for example:
P2000 and usp-s
M4a4 and m4a1-s
Mp7 and mp5
Five-seven and cz75
Tec-9 and cz75
I like the radial buy menu a lot, you can still buy fast using just the mouse and the e key or whichever key it was to go back through the menus
One issue could be for not being able to drop AWP for your awper because you haven't equipped it since auto sniper is easier to use on the final round (of the half)
Also, the unpopular guns are becoming even more unpopular. But if they are going to do a lot of rebalancing with weapons, it remains to be seen how it will turn out. Maybe add an extra slot for the mid tier since it has so many weapons to choose from?
Than dont use virgin auto sniper
@@lpgame2036 and thats why you never reach dmg
I think an easy fix to this would be to allow you to buy direct buy a kit for them, or allowing you to donate money to them
On the loadouts I think that if they want to let you have both weapons that went in the same slot e.g. m4a1-s & m4a4, then they should just let you choose from all the weapons instead. The only way this loadout system makes any sense is if they're planning on way more new weapons or weapon replacements, in which case I hope they test them properly so we don't get another revolver scenario
Another revolver scenario is probably very likely to happen with any new gun they might add.
Granted the revolver one should have been caught before it went live but the best way to test something to see if it's overpowered or exploitable in any way is to just give it to everyone lol
I don't see why they'd add any new gun in the near future. They have enough issues with making the guns they have useful.
I think they could've kept the wheel, and just given you the option to put both M4's in there and replace another rifle. That'd give you the option to choose 6 rifles instead of now being down to 5.
idk why ppl are so upset by the revolver. It was in the game for like one (1) day? Felt more like a short fun event tbh i know i was hyped to go home and try it out in mm when it came out
@@tosfriendly Huh? The revolver is still in the game... People were upset by the fact it was basically an AWP at first. Wildly overpowered.
@@S1mplyKasper
That's a much better alternative. And why add more weapons when more than half the weapons we have already are useless anyways?
Hey WarOwl. I met you at IEM Dreamhack. Just wanted to say, thanks for being so friendly and letting me take a picture with you. Great update video!
I like being able to equip the a1s and a4, but I think the buy menu is at best a medium improvement. Certainly looks much better and, buybacks are great. Lastly, the new way to choose your load out is an incredible level up from the previous way to choose loudouts.
Could have had a buyback in the wheel design as well. Just press R or something
The loadout picking screen should be more of a star or pin menu where your most used weapons for each category get pinned to that first pop-up you see when you open the buy menu, but then there should be a second screen you can switch to underneath that shows every weapon in the game, and you switch back and forth by scrolling up and down in the buy menu or by hitting a toggle button to flip menus or something similar.
Or it could be made as a side mode where you can queue for matches where people get to pick loadout buy menu games or a full buy menu game, sort of how you could queue for normal competitive matches or pick to queue for premier. Just two thoughts I had
I think as of right now, the loadout system will only encourage to equip the meta weapons, as they are the most versatile, and the guns being barely used now will be used even less.
And I really liked the radial menu, you can flick your wrist in certain directions and get what you need very quickly, IMO just as quickly if not more quickly than if you use the hotkeys, though buy binds would beat out both.
Meta weapons dont exist. If there is a gun you know to use skillfully that itsself becomes the meta gun for you.
@@B4SS1L1SKxplain to me how the PP-bizon is as meta as the AK lol
@@B4SS1L1SK hahahaha
@@potatofuryy Yup, that's should answer the question if there's a meta weapon.
@@potatofuryy shh, don't you know bro got 3k faceit elo using only dual berettas?
Man, I love hearing about these changes. You know what might be even better? Being able to actually test them myself.
Everyone knows your pain... we share it all
I think this new buy menu is available on normal CSGO.
@@andreicosmin7141 no, its not
i really like the new buy menu and i think a fix for the problem with clases could be that in warmup everyone could switch it up and you could strategize.
i really love too see your videos because they always gives me another way of seeing things
Very interesting take on the change! I agree with you on the casual game modes, hopefully they'll have something prepared for that. Personally, I think this will add to the overall strategy of the game, but I am afraid some guns will fall into irrelevancy even more than they currently have.
Actually, we can remove almost half of CS weapons and most of the players won't see a difference
@@1ns1ght_l1 that doesn't mean we should. Options > no options
I think the fact that Valve took away the ability to buy every weapon during a match is a big mistake.
facts, we can say goodbye to pp bizon and m249 now
@@fromaguez I will equip the M249
but now you can buy more weapons that you will actually use like the 2 m4s and the cz on CT side
ya but like warowl said they might add new weapons. Of course that could lead to role specific loadouts.
stopbuying pp bizon and negev. its not funny anymore
doesn't matter if the buy wheel was designed for the controller or not, it allows for very quick buying, all you have to do is nudge your mouse in the correct direction and it's already there
just use binds for buying
Yess i got so used to the wheel menu i could blindly move and click my mouse and i get the things i needed
@@catalyst1434 taking up a bunch of buttons that you only use for specific loadouts/weapons? lol no thanks
I agree, it's so easy to use that i can fullbuy any loadout with my eyes closed
binds are cool but I have been used to the radial wheel for so long :(
Player 1: "Can you drop me a scout?"
Player 2: "No, I haven't equipped it!"
I think if loadouts are a means to introduce gear variety, then the variety would likely be the same equipment but certain tweaks (like maybe a flash bang that has a longer fuse but a smaller effective area). Things that allow players to really carve out their play style. But I do agree with the sentiment that at least utility-wise each player should have similar kits that aren’t too role-dependent. It’s a fundamental part of Counter-Strike. I personally wouldn’t be as upset about it enough to outweigh how excited I am to see changes and evolutions being made.
Loving the updates and thoughtful analysis as usual, Warowl!
I can't wait for de_amigo!!! I've been in love with CS mapping, and really enjoy your de_amigo progression!!! We are looking forward to seeing your process in the new editor!
I get weapons master every game, because I use a very diverse range of weapons throughout the match and this is a huge blow for me personally. I really enjoy'd long range nova headshots on awps who can't hit anything.
same, 7-10 different weapons with kills, MM is beautiful for how many different weapons can be used if the situation presents itself (for me i like Bizon on anti-eco round 2 CT, MP7>MP9 but some economic situations could make the MP9 the play, etc). Weapon choice is important, we are not valorant players, we're CS players.
In my experience, most people will threaten to kick you if you even think about buying an 'off meta' weapon.
@@qu1253 and that has to do with your trust factor, buddy. toxic gets matched with toxic.
@@tissuepaper9962 maybe, but from my experience, anyone with an open mic is either a great teacher or a person with more salt than the sea.
Ah, i see youre a man of culture as well.
I like the pistol and rifle part of the loadouts since there is a severe lack of meme in those categories but the mid tier is meme central so making that category a special expansion menu for the full list of items likely wont mess with matches or do anything more than improve meme ability like that one guy in mm i had 4k with the nova against a full buy when there was an extra m4 on the ground to start the round
I think the system could work in the long term, but I would feel more comfortable with one more slot for each category. I know that would make the pistols and rifles mostly untouched, but mid-tier is the category I'm most worried about losing favor from the playerbase.
My gripe with the loadout system is that it removes the possibility of using certain situationally useful weapons. In my opinion, it doesn't just eliminate "meme weapons." I am someone that likes to use a lot of different weapons depending on the situation.
The Bizon, for example, can actually be quite good as an anti-eco CT weapon when solo anchoring B site. VERY situational, but still useful. I have a 1.6 K/D with the Bizon because I only use it in that situation. With this loadout system as it is right now, I probably won't have room for it. Not to mention I can find situational usefulness out of the UMP/MP5/MP7. But if I equip all the SMG's, I don't get to have shotguns or the Negev as an option (yes, also situationally useful). In my opinion, 5 slots for "mid-tier" weapons is way too limited.
Let's also take a look at the CT pistol loadout situation as well. Here's my dilemma:
1. USP-S / P2k is a mandatory pick for slot #1
2. P250: almost mandatory as an excellent eco buy and AWP sidearm
3. Deagle: almost mandatory for force buys and/or dropping to teammates
4. Dualies: very strong on pistol rounds
5. CZ75: Strong eco/force buy for playing close angles and getting a single pick
6. FiveSeven: Strong eco/force buy and AWP sidearm with a bit more sustainability
There's a good chance that I would like to buy all of these pistols at different points within a single game. I appreciate the 5-7/CZ dual equip, but I wouldn't want to have to sacrifice my precious pistol round Dualies :(
This is exactly what my issue is, there are definitely times where I've bought niche guns, and those opportunities may now become impossible. Letting us equip both M4's and CZ with Five Seven is great, but why not make that change alone? Why make such a great change and then limit us to 15 weapons?
I also expect Valve to start adding new guns for CS2, especially a rifle like the Guardian in Valorant. The choices for your loadout may be easy now, but soon if more guns are going to be added you're going to have to make some really difficult decisions and miss out on weapons. I don't see any way in which having less options during a match is a good thing.
Five seven does not need to be on there bro just use p250
@@brkic8400 let him cook
I think valve could fix this issue by giving us a second page of the buy menu. Like, you would still select your "15" loadout, but it would be more of a priority display system, where you select what shows up on your main page that opens up by default when you open the buy menu. But you could still have the option to click and go to the second page, displaying the rest of the weapons.
Most hardcore players would never use it, and still have quick, easy access to their most used weapons, and casuals could still access meme or fun weapons.
Edit: Commented while watching, then saw that you mentioned something similar with a button to show all weapons. It's true that valve might try to go for something different and new if they add more weapons, so we just have to wait and see.
Great vid btw!
This is the way.
I'd like more options to loadouts. I also like the idea of customizing different loadouts to fill in a specific role in the team. But like you said, for soloq it could give your team a dissadvantage if most players have a support loadout or if no one has it. They could try to balance it before you accept a game, but this would also increase wait time for you to find a game. For me I wouldn't mind a bit more waiting for the game to find what should be an even/fair game, but I think for other regions, this would be an issue. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how far they take it. But my guess is, it won't make a big different for casuals if your team has the same things equipped. It might just be something that the pros will perfect to try and gain some tiny advantages.
How do you want to costumize your loadout? We already got enough weapons (and playerroles(!)) in the game. Csgo isnt R6
@@Aftekay Idk how R6 is, I've pretty much only played cs the last 10 years. I don't want more playerroles, I want them more defined. Sure CS has a fair amount of weapons but only a handful that people use so I'd like for them to either add new useful weapons or change existing ones so they're actually worth playing.
I played CSGO for the first time a few days ago, having access to every weapon out of the gate let me mess around with all of them to find their strengths and weaknesses. While this change could definitely spice up competitive, it hurts experimentation for new players. Learning the game will be harder when you can't explore the weapon sandbox as fast.
I liked the radial menu because it was just one quick snap in one direction, and it was very simple and concise
why didn't you use number keys?
Yeah, like a small aim flick practice at the beginning of every round
@@moonasha well, thanks to @valve now they’ve broke more than 10 years of muscle memory of buying via number keys, so that’s gonna be total hell to use unless the fix that nonsense
@@moonasha could use mouse way faster than number keys
@@BonziBuddie I wonder...
They've done it, they've finally killed the M249.
what is dead may never die
Not Warowl dropping the Warhammer plug, Im glad I watch you!
I think the idea for a new buy menu comes from the A4 vs A1S debate. Valve said that they didn't want people to be able to buy both guns in the same game because they like the concept of planning before the match (I think this was from Fl0m around when cs2 was announced but I don't remember exactly where I heard it from). So the new buy menu is a solution to the community's desire to buy both M4s (as well as all other weapons in the same slot) while still keeping the pre planning concept that Valve likes.
pre-planning? deciding which slightly different gun to pick out of the two? that's some tactical planning right there, Rainbow Six eat your heart out! XD (the old one where you had to do the planning and shit)
Update is great but i disagree with valve’s new buy menu (except the undo purchase, that is a great feature). If it were to be changed from what we have in csgo anyway, just let us pick from every weapon in the game. It makes no sense to restrict the number of weapons you can bring to a match, it will only kill off meme weapons and *force* everyone to play _somewhat_ more seriously. It only harms casual players and people who want to meme around sometimes and does almost nothing for serious competitive players, the only positive i can see is that there is less clutter and less clicks for people who buy the same guns 90% of the time. Maybe let us choose between the 2 options? Like if you want to have the reduced ui for whatever reason, maybe have a setting for it. Same for the radial vs rectangle ui style. More customization doesnt hurt anyone.
Just bring meme weapons in ur slots anyway it makes them even funnier
@@fernandofernandez8723 That means limiting other weapons, we don't want that
@@PumpyGT who cares, they're obviously going to add more weapons so the change is necessary. People love to complain about things that don't matter. They got the number from statistics of how many weapons people usually buy a game. Most people quite literally only buy about 6 unique weapons every game, and we get 15. It's plenty.
I think the new menu is a great UX improvement, but CS already has an economy system built into the match that strongly influences what weapons are utilized. Further limiting players to a smaller pool of options, when the game itself is already designed to corral your options unless you're playing well, just seems overly complex and counter intuitive. There should never be a situation in a CS game where you have the money for a particular weapon, but can't access it. I've felt that way throughout this whole M4A4 vs M4A1-S issue. There's nothing stopping them from just letting you pick from either of them during a match and I don't get how further limiting players to specific loadouts like this solves any existing problems aside from UI bloat, which is also totally in their control to solve with plenty of obvious solutions like scrolling columns or more compact presentation.
wdym by ui bloat
@@phr3ui559 it’s a plight often associated with smoohbrains who just want to shoot without thinking, ignore
@@phr3ui559 ui bloat is bloat in your ui. Aka too many weapons in the way that no one wants to use
@@phr3ui559 The menu having too many options at a glance and taking up the whole screen
I agree about the loadout system taking some of the fun away. I like to play all kinds of weapons in the mid category. For pro play 5 slots are probably enough to not be a difference to the old system but as a more casual player i love being able to chose from all the weapons and react to how the enemy team is playing. And often i buy a weapon just once a game to pull out some surprise strategy. That will be very limited with just 5 slots per category.
And then there is the problem with the AWP. I don't like playing it, but I do play it if noone else on my team does. So I won't put it in my loadout. But if i get matched with 4 other players like me that all have no awp that's an automatic loss... That sounds really frustrating. And I also won't be able to drop an awp to a teammate.
the circular buy menu was great and i loved it
eco rounds are my favorite rounds because of the variety of weapons. This update stifles creative plays, just because the some guns aren't "meta"
But no one buys those guns anyway. What does it matter?
Honestly feel like they should go the OPPOSITE direction, and make EVERY weapon purchasable through buy menu. I like that you can now equip both m4a4 and -a1s, but why limit the total amount of options? The playing field should be truly even, and that can only happen if you are able to purchase any team specific weapon you please.
this is so under rated!!!
I agree. Valve is forcing their ideology of the ideal weapon loadout. When cs1.6 and css both were fine without them.
And players have only been complaining since the introduction of a weapon loadout system.
The usp sees 99% more usage then the p2000 despite both of them having near identical stats
If they cant balance even that, how can they balance equal usage of other weapons.
The fact is, one weapon will always be meta, while the other remains completely unused, because your forcing the player to play odds BEFORE the match starts, rather then picking a weapon on how the match is progressing.
Its the most stupid philosophy
Honestly truueee, if they already allowed for most weapons to be bought besides a few, why not just make it to where every weapon can be bought, I don't see any reason in giving an advantage/disadvantage in certain situations based on what you had available in a loadout.
A cool system could be having the 15 weapons total but you can have multiple loadouts to swap between to make it just as fast yet still capable of having every weapon e.g. meme loadout, main loadout etc
The way you said the load outs may actually diversify guns used I agree with. I always get the ‘weapon master-get 5/6 unique weapon kills’ meaning EVERYONE else is getting kills with less, using the same 4/5 guns. I’m cautiously optimistic
everytime i play the game i always switch up the guns i'm gonna get bored playing with only ak m4a4 awp deagle like everyone else
Im also worried about "roles" becoming weapon specific, but we'll see, i feel like it might be fine
Bro you talk about stuff I didnt even thought about lol thanks for opening my eyes, now im even more hyped in cs2
Dude I love how I read the description of the video in Warowl's voice xD
Yeah tbh I very much dislike the load out system, I would prefer if we just had access to everything.
I think "class" loadouts are only gonna be a thing in pro/full team play, exactly because of the uncertainty, but I also think before they add any new weapons they will have to balance all the unused stuff.
Don’t you dare make me go play casual just because they wanna do fucking new shit
God damn it! I was hyped and excited and then you had to go an make a series of good points that makes me question the whole thing! haha No but honestly its refreshing having some one actually think about the implications. I once in a blue moon like to meme with a negev. Some times the enemy just keeps charging the same place, in a line every time, and its just fun to mow them down
I would rather have access to all weapons. Balances everything because everyone has access to all the weapons plus I get to buy whatever I want without the worry of a limited loadout.
For scripting they replaced vscript with LUA wichi is a more popular scripting language (and the defacto language used for modding in many games) and it's quite easy to learn so no worries about that modding is not dead !
Not what he said. Currently the vscript engine is disabled, meaning scripts will not run without patching the game's binaries.
@@PeakKissShot This is a closed beta, who cares
I dunno about Lua being popular bro
@@PumpyGTlua is a million times more popular than squirrel. Have you heard of squirrel before?
@@PumpyGT bro your pfp is roblox, which almost exclusively uses Lua for scripting LMAO
I'm hyped! I'm not really good at the game but being able to have an M4 and an A1S is so cool! Some times when I'm goofing around with friends I want to lurk, but I have M4 equipped, so this sounds great.
Fan of a new menù design but not a fan to the limitation, and i think the perfect situation is what you have said in the video, loadout for a quick buy and a separate menu when you can buy everything
Maybe they could have an option like on a per round basis you can pay $200 to access the full buy menu. This encourages focusing on a load out but also allows some flexibility.
That's a bit too mouthful to my taste, also - what's the use for being able to buy negev if it's $200 more expensive?
also - what's the use for being able to buy negev
Negev is underrated.
@@RealJuiceWrld cant shoot in the heads of teammates during warmup anymore
I miss the old wheel. I am willing to admit its purely nostalgia but I grew up with that menu and Im very fond of it. It wouldnt be hard for them to add a choice for the new menu or the old menu, and I think a decent amount of ppl would like it.
Pure nostalgia. Be happy I'm not pushing to have to buy new primary and secondary ammunition between rounds.
Yeah. I hope beyond logic they implement a setting where you can switch between the two.
screw the wheel, it was always console junk. Before the wheel, we had the square buy menu in CSS and CS
@@moonasha but now the square buy menu feels more valorant esque which makes me churn a little. I'm not saying its a bad change, it certainly isn't, it just feels less csgo.
@@moonasha i still prefer a unique buy menu rather than a generic squar buy menu that every single multiplayer game has.
The good: buy menu, effects. The Bad: interface, loadout.
and REDUCING EVERYONE USNIG SKINS HOW IRONIC
Love the starcraft music in the background ;)
I really love the design of the menu and the refunds but i think they should at least increase the weapon number from 5 to 7 as it really kills the fun of being able to buy a p90 or a mag7 randomly and troll
What "mid tier" guns are you going to take over a mag-7 and p90? I'd say the mid tier menu has less meta guns, and therefore gives you some optoins to choose some lesser used ones or troll ones.
@@S1mplyKasper "Bu-but how will I buy m249, sawed off, pp bizon and negev while still keeping the mac10 and p90 😭"
@@fica1137 Different strategies in the game need different weapons.
@@brian8862 Some weapons are objectively garbage, M249 and Pp bizon are prime examples. It just happens that mid tier is full of them
@@fica1137 M249 isn't good for the price but the bizon isn't bad, you're just not good with certain weapons. There's no point in having less weapons but I don't really care much, it's not the end of the world. The wheel will indefinitely come back in custom server plugins.
I think having all the weapons and equipment available for purchase on one screen is definitely nicer and cleaner, but I am concerned with the new limitations. Also, maybe the scout should be considered a mid-tier weapon? Just a thought...
Scout being mid-tier is debatable, but scout being a rifle is definite.
Taking up another spot in the mid-tier, which is already a mash of two categories, would likely hurt it.
@@djfdub The only really viable weapons in the mid tier at the moment are the MP9, Mac-10, and XM-1014, whereas pretty much all the rifles are used.
@@cakey8899 Viability is subjective though. Remember that casual players love a good Bizon rush and negev spam, they thrive off the those mid-tier weapons that sweatlords avoid.
As for the rifles, is 5 slots not enough, especially with 5 different loadouts able to buy for teammates? How many scoped weapons do you really need! :)
Great video man, subbed!
You spoke my thoughts exactly:
Pros of loadouts: You can equip things like 2 M4's, thus being much more versatile depending on what role or spot you filled when needed.
Cons: If new equipment will be aimed towards a specific role... my soloQ dislikes that even though I don't play that much anymore, even less with the weekly drop changes.
Still, can't wait until CS2 (both Cities Skylines and counter-strike!) releases. Hope I can play it.
PS: I don't really agree with you on the "trolls" argument. Or casuals. If you're casual, GTFO of my competitive game, even if it's just mm. If you're going to troll, they are probably going to troll with literally any weapon, remain afk spinning or whatever else. So NOT having the Negev... I don't care for that loss. I don't think it will matter that much.
Roles though will. So I hope it stays this way where as you said and I agree, everyone is the same. It's why I love CS even though it's team based vs other games. In OW or LoL you can hardly carry your team of coal bags. But in CS you can 1v5 if you're good enough. At least you have the slight chance if they get in front of you.
Though the buy wheel started in CS on xbox, it persisted in CSGO because it still was a good concept. The wheel is circled around your cursor making it easy to jump around very quick. Functionally it worked very well with a mouse, and was kind of fun to click around fast. Buy bindings are tedious, and don't cover every scenario. Why even do that when the wheel is just as fast for dynamic buys?
The new menu is better for visualizing buys with keys, but worse with mouse traversal time. I'm meh on it, Id like the wheel as an option too.
Loadouts are a bad idea. I agree with all you said. It also hurts the skins for certain underused weapons. If you can't have a meme or fun slot, certain weapons just won't be used at all. We need ALL guns available at all times.
Two thing: I wouldn't want to see cs become like valorant to be "dependent on the agent you choose" or in this case your loadout, I thing this works fine for now, but if they added more weapons that would be terrible. Second thing - I know what you mean when you say that cs is equal and fair and skill dependent, but it's rarely ever that way. I used to play on a laptop with 19-25 fps in 800x600 and 80-150 ping that often just goes to 2000. I couldn't kill anyone of course. Now I have 300+ fps on a great pc, but my internet is still shit. Just for you info, it's the ADSL2+ standard over 3km of distance, so 10mbps download, 0.6mbps upload, we've had it since 2004. There is no 4G nor even LTE, they are trying to put fiber optic internet here but they're not rushing it (since 2016 lol) Now I get 18-20 kills in a normal match when my ping doesn't exceed 450, it's still terrible. And in matches when my internet is terrible (2000 ping most of the time, which is just teleporting and clipping, you can see it on my channel) I of course can't play and just keep walking into walls because I'm teleporting everywhere, so I get called a noob, I don't have a chance of getting out of silver any time soon (silver 4 now), I don't really play ranked anymore for that reason.
Wheel was better, I 100% agree with what WarOwl has said about the loadouts.
I love the fact that you can now equip both M4s at once. I think the loadout will basically remove some weapons from the game as most players will probably equip M4, M4, AWP, Famas and AUG, maybe replace one of those with the scout. I dont think that many players will equip the SCAR or the M241. The middle class will probably be the most interesting as there are SMGs and Shotguns mixed together. Probably something like 2 SMGs 2 Shotguns and 1 Negev. I dont think anyone will really equip the Bizon
i love the chess analogy you made, it's even poetic
I'm worried about the community being assholes about what you're "allowed" to equip. Teammates are going to rage if your loadout isn't 100% pro-player approved. Once there are more weapon choices, the loadout will be interesting way to personalize your playstyle. However, again, the community is going to make it awful no matter what Valve does.
Bro nobody's going to flame you for not having a pp bizon and m249 equipped.
@@CatfishBradley Maybe not but what if you are terrible with an AWP and thus don't have it equiped? I can definitely see the CS community making other peoples lifes hard because of the weapons they chose to bring into the match
First thing I thought of is to equip the 3 snipers T side and no AK to piss people off
Or not equip AWP so as to not having to drop them to people wasting money coz they die too much with it
@@CatfishBradleypp bizon is good wdym
And you didn't get flame for not having their preferred M4 equipped when dropping them, or?
Is it me, or is the radar actually showing the sound you are making? Is that new? Like every time you walk, or every time you scope in, there is a circle that appears around you, that’s the area within which you can be heard, isn’t it? That’s great!
yes, I believe I mentioned this in a previous video, sound queues are visible in the menu.
Sound cues*?
it's been there since the beta first came out, some people don't like it cause "it lower the skill ceiling" but I think it's great. Would be nice if it's optional so people wouldn't complain anymore
Having specific loadouts for playstyles/positions is a great idea if the make it so that you can make multiple and chose wich one you use, and switch in the the first 3 round if you see it wont work or your team decides it need a change.
Being able to set up _multiple_ loadouts and choose one prior to the match starting (or during halftime!) would go a ways toward making a "some weapons have more specialized uses" situation more bearable. However, it runs the risk of making things more complicated.
It might also be the case that any new weapons they add will be designed around filling a niche that already exists in a _slightly different way_ than another weapon--basically a softer version of the current "either you use an R8 or a deagle" system.
I know alot of cs players only use 4 weapons, but some of us use just about everything depending on the situation and strategy. I don't like the limited loadout at all.
pretty excited honestly, its amazing to see some pretty big changes in CS again. The loadout system is certainly interesting but I can't call it good or bad just yet, I think it still needs some time to really set in but it seems like a step in the right direction.
I agree about the concern of role specific loadout - which might be very destructive for solo queue. Might be like having 5 snipers and no power classes in a TF2 team :D
I like the option of having both M4 (and 5-7/CZ) in the by menu. I don't like the limiting - because I guess many weapons will just disappear from the game (not only as meme - I might never bring a weapon with me if I don't feel comfortable with it and because of that never learn to use it, even when I'm in relatively safe game).
It would be great (UX-wise) to have a short list of favorites (loadout) and still access to the whole inventory. I liked how it worked in TF2.
Good solution might be keep it the way it is, just add arrow on bottom of each weapon category that scrolls you down rest of the weapons in category. The main buy menu would than be used just for quick access to your prefered weapon.
i honeslty love the radial menu. It lets you have this sort of flow where you never need to move your mouse more then a 1/10 of the screen and it feels so good to click through it. Yes its confusing at frist but amazing when you get used to it. But if they make it so you have to pick between certain weapons that I would be pissed. The amount of times where my team will just say screw it lets all go (said weapon) and we end up having a great time with it is astonishing. I love messing around and sometimes I just want to go with a negev or m249. But with this new setup ill be forced to trade an important slot for a meme weapon or just not bring any memes.
I liked the accessibility and ease of use of the radial buy menu and I’ll definitely miss it.
i think the loadout screen should be a favourites screen. set 5 guns in each category that you can buy super quickly, then a sub menu that has all the others.
I've been really excited with the loadout system (as well as the likelyhood of new weapons being added) but you've definitely gotten me worrying abit about the possibility of CS2 becoming a role shooter like Valorant or whatever else.. but I still think it's a good idea. Hopefully they'll let us customize our loadout in-game during the map voting and prematch sessions so you can make adjustments if you're solo/partial queuing
Spot on! Cs is not a class based shooter. I hate the class based aspect of valorant. It may be fun for others, but its really not for me. I want to be able to switch my role and playstyle mid round if needed. Freedom. That is what cs is compared to valo for me. Dont take that away.
I personal really like the buy wheel, I hope they give you the option to keep it. Also I usually use like tons of the different mid tier weapons so being limited to 5 really sucks
I liked the buying wheel. I never used buy scripts or learned the buttons because I could buy my loadout in probably under 2 seconds. I'm sure I will learn the new screen, but I liked the wheel. I also worry about the restriction of weapons, especially since I like to use the odd weapon from time to time, when the situation allows it. I'm convinced that weapons that are barely used now will eventually be used even less.
or, not used at all
also, do not read or follow what the reply above me is saying, its a scam account.
4:00 i think there could be a sweet spot where loadouts impact the way you play but not so much that you need to coordinate your loadouts with your team beforehand.
I dont even think that this sweet spot would be too hard to hit either as 15 weapons slots allows for a lot of versatility.
I agree with your point "everyone is equal". If you remove the ability to choose any gun, then it's unfair. Personally, I play unranked competitive and I often use different guns such as Negev for fun. I honestly hope they keep the current buy menu, but I still think that an upgrade is needed, this is just not it.
The loadout might only apply to competitive mode, which means new players can very well experiment in casual mode or deathmatch which weapons they prefer and then take those into the competitive loadout.
I should still be able to choose whatever guns i want in comp. Switching strategies depending on the situation is extremely important.
@@EchoLocoCJ I agree, but you would rarely buy something like a negev in order to give you a strategic edge, if you were losing you would just use the most meta weapons. This new system puts you at a compromise in which you must choose a loadout that would best suit many situations, before the match even starts.
@@lucavazquez9355 I play causally so I like to use the goofy weapons. Plus the economic differences make it so everything has a purpose. I guarantee you, I'll be in a situation where I'll go "this calls for a-- crap I don't have that gun" and it'll be infuriating.
It doesn't benefit anyone to advocate for less freedom during the match. This only makes the game more limited which is bad for the reasons Owl explained.
@@EchoLocoCJ I personally feel like it adds an interesting layer of complexity to the competitive scene, yet in a more casual setting I totally agree that such restrictions are quite a bummer.