Was He Right? The Best Way To Prevent Water Spots?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ส.ค. 2022
- Hey everyone!
So I had a few subscribers reach out to me in response to a video Luke Wilson posted concerning the Formula 4 Spray Wax. In this video I will attempt the method in which Luke Wilson used this product.
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Well done my friend, Love the video. And you’re right, the car I used was in the shade 😵💫
Haha thanks!
I tried approaching the video with an over analytic yet open mind. I don’t like doing “reactions” or reviewing people, but I thought your method was intriguing to say the least! Nevertheless it turned out great!
Thanks for the comment!
Great inspiration to me...just wanted you to be aware....awesome impact..
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip if you put a few Oz in a foam cannon with Ph neutral soap it works well too. That’s how I’ve always used it in direct sunlight.
This method works well, but 9:1 or 10:1 is not effective at all in preventing water spots. It repels water but when it dries, all the minerals stay on the paint. The best ratio I've used to avoid them is 3:1, since it does give you enough time to dry the car and it creates enough of a barrier to remove the minerals. I live in 110 degree dry heat and the hard water is a minimum of 350.
Using the wax 3:1 did the trick and I never deal with water spots. I use DI water now, but when I'm out of it, I use the wax at 3:1 and no issues at all, just the extra step. Also, the residue left is not an issue since its a wax, but in case I need to remove it completely, I just do a quick ISP wipe which takes no time and apply a different protectant.
@@bfamend good info, Thanks
I started doing this method a couple years ago by adding two ounces of formula 4 to 10 oz water in my foam cannon. Wash the car and apply formula 4, rinse and blow dry. I do this in the sun on a black truck in Florida and it leaves no water spots. Any spotting left behind is polymer based and wipes immediately off with detail spray. Thanks for the video
Yea might get a dedicated cannon for this so I don’t clog my mjjc with the wax
@@Danielxperez14 i did the same thing, got a cheapo cannon, and i have never cleaned it once since it's all I use it for, and it has not had a single issue in three years
@@seansean8008 nice!
I am sure that Scott from Dallas Paint Correction and Detail was the first one to introduce this product on TH-cam.ao thank you Scott!!
I believe you’re correct!
Dallas Auto Paint Correction put out a video on this product a few years ago. Using apc’s and such in direct sun on a black vehicle. Probably gets no credit
Many people have made videos on this product. Scott is a great guy. Unfortunately he’s not making videos anymore so crediting wouldn’t make sense. Also he didn’t do the method Luke did, which I was giving my thoughts on. I made a video a year and a half ago about this product and I believe I gave Scott a shout out then since it was relevant
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip I wonder why he stopped making videos.
@@rollthers3157 probably because that blonde girl stopped showcasing in them…lol jk
Scott was an arrogant turd, especially in his group. His arrogance was ramping up too. He needed to go away.
Scott was the best, I miss him
To save water, time and still get phenomenal results, I always apply the product while the soap is drying especially if the soap is drying and if I need to I reapply a second time after I rinse the soap off🇺🇸
I foam cannon first, then contact wash, with an older foam cannon I added spray wax to rinse the soap off. All in direct sunlight.
I use this on my cars. Very beneficial in Florida when there’s no shade and high heat. Cuts the drying time in half too.
Agreed! Florida is brutal
No mention of waterspots in this video. Ok you get some beading so what? Does not prove it prevents waterspots. Wasn’t mentioned or shown in video except for title. Click bait? Please explain.
I watch Luke’a channel all the time and he is very informational. Some things I would do differently, but everyone does detailing their own way. I definitely want to try this as I live in Phoenix, AZ and am using hard water at the moment. Washing black cars can become so difficult on a very hot day 🥵
Brutal 😭
I live in Phoenix AZ too and I use this to detail cars. However washing black paint in the sun is brutal! Do you have any tips for how to get around that? I get so many water spots because of the heat here
Thanks for confirming this, I was on the fence about ordering this product but now I will try it out. I recently purchased a truck and I would like to ask what product do you recommend for applying on tires to help keeping them looking nice. Thank you.
Great video. Thanks for supporting other channels and not bashing them. Enough drama already in the world
I love the industry. I’m thankful for every honest voice. Luke seems to be one of them
Great video! I've seen some detailers use this as a drying aid. Most praise bead maker but I've also heard a lot of people complain about streaking. I recently been wanting to purchase formula 4 for quite some time. Think a might just pull the trigger thanks to your video!
Glad to hear!
I like the product. I also had that problem with bead maker. I found that the issue with it was usually on bare paint. It works better as a topper than a stand alone product.
If you used formula 4 then did a quick touch up with bead maker you’d have a great combination. I actually do that
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip Thanks for your response.
I had the same reaction to this method! Thanks for vid definitely trying this!
Glad to help!
Best thing to do is mist a light shower of water over the vehicle (like a spot free rinse) when done washing, then use a leaf blower and dry your vehicle off. Works for me every time.
If your vehicle is coated then most definitely! Flat cars though it doesn’t work too well…
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip yeah I’m not sure if the difference I assumed they were all the same. I just started doing it when had a black truck. I see guys dry by hand and over time the swirls are awful. So I just do it on all my vehicles now and it does great.
This channel is pretty great. I don’t know I missed it for so long.
/subscribed.
I’m honored!
Thank you so much!
you just got a new subscriber, appreciate you challenging things these big number youtube detailers say and people just take for granted. he does a lot of great videos, more so than bad ones but sometimes he is just pushing a product. dont blame him, i would do it too if i had a following i suppose. actually i probably wouldnt but thanks for the vid
Of course!
I try to stay 100% authentic and see if things work in my environment
I've used this product for about a year now, but more as a panel by panel rinse aide. I saw Luke's video that you referenced when it first came out, but haven't yet given it a try. You started your video so fairly and respectfully that I immediately hit your subscribe button and look forward to going through your content. You were SPOT-ON about Luke! Great example of TH-cam teamwork. Thanks
Thank you! I believe in unifying the detailing industry. Not creating drama…
Glad you enjoyed the video and I hope the rest of the content is a benefit to you!
Thanks friend!
Did you used deionized water for your final rinse or regular tap water. I have fairly hard water (111) and was wondering what you did. Enjoyed your video!
I think this product is best for efficiency when hitting the whole car quick then either sheeting or blow drying. For a panel-by-panel drying aid, try Bead Maker or one of the newer formulations from Auto Fanatic or Obsessed Garage.
Good video bro ..
that’s the first time that a saw you on you tube and after that I saw Wilson video and wow if you are a real mobile detailer and work on the field that’s totally different when you work at the shop when you are on the direct sun at 110 degrees anything you put on the paint will streak the paint no matter what product are you using… but it’s methods that we do by experience when using products like this my example on this product will be wash the car,rinse then when you start drying spray formula 4 section by section with 2 towels one to remove the other one to wipe it out ..
But like you said everyone has different methods and different results .. good day Brother
Appreciate it!
I bought a gallon at AutoZone 24 bucks and mixed 10 to 1. I put it on before rinse. Then used a blower to get majority of water beads off. I will do that way from now on.
Awesome!
Luke got the idea from Scott @Dallas paint correction. Still a good video and appreciate lukes energy and excitement for detailing.
I don’t remember Scott mentioning that method in his video. I do recall him using it after rinsing the soap off though
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntiphe does rinse it first but he's right about it being like a water softener and leaves a synthetic film on the clear that is going to work like paint sealer. I quit washing the soap off with plain water and put the product in the pressure washer with a very low setting and just get right to rinsing and blow dry with cordless leaf blower before towelldrying. I can see no difference and have been doing this for years.
@@mr.monitor.interesting! so you put it in the pressure washer detergent tank instead of spraying separately? that seems efficient! do you pour it straight in the tank or at a certain dilution ratio?
I’m not gonna lie it works for me and it helps more when you’re blowing the water off the car. It makes things easier. A must have product for me.
I saw the luke vid and hadn't tried it yet... what i was interested in is if would prevent water spots from mirror drips etc...im an enthusiasts and after i wash dry the car afterwards ill get some drips... typically the next day i will do a walk around with a qd and clean up any hard water spots...
I doubt it will help with that. I reality F4 isn’t really softening the water, just putting a barrier between the water and vehicle. You will still need to air blow crevasses
I learned this from Dallas paint correction years ago.
It was a blessing that I found you. Like they say, you learn new things every day. Anyhow, I have a question that's been bothering me and cannot seem to find the answer to... that is, how to be safe around a generator. Many say to put it 20 ft away from you, clearly for a mobile detailing business that's not practical. Of course, switching to a battery powered generator would solve this problem but they are so dang expensive and not as reliable. How have you solved this problem? I appreciate your response.
Glad you find the info beneficial!
So, I can appreciate someone saying to stay 20 feet away. In reality though, as you said it’s not practical. What I do is simple. I don’t inhale the exhaust fumes, especially when right up close to it. That being said, we breath around cars, lawn mowers, really anything.
When it’s all said and done, use good judgement, and read the manual.
What kind of generator are you using?
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip I appreciate your timely response and I agree with what you said. I used to use a predator generator, it's been in my family for some time and recently went out of service. I'm looking to buy one pronto, maybe you could suggest one?
@@jona_le_mus I’m a fan of the predator. It does a lot for the given price. I currently use an ECHO 2000. It’s powerful enough to power a pressure washer surprisingly… is a bit pricey… If you like the predator 3500, stick with that!
I can’t wait to try it on our Airstream. Hand drying can take a while.
Enjoy!
Luke knows his stuff
He seems to be one of the good ones!
You showed that the water repelled but did it actually leave any spots? Maybe in a lot of sun it might still dry fast & leave spots?
Very cool product. In my opinion braids very good. A lot better water properties then some other products for example suds lab. Only one thing I don’t like it’s attacks dust.
I use formula 4 on my motorhome, direct sun or not. It drys without water spots always. I dilute 6:1
I foam, rinse, apply formula 4, wait a few minutes, rinse.
It’s an amazing easy way to do a motorhome.
I learned from Dallas Paint Protection, Scott.
He had the best video on Formula 4 and drying aid
Dallas Auto Paint Correction did it first!
He's the one that put the product on the map!
For sure! Wish he still made videos!
Be interesting to do one over the soap and one side after rinsing the soap and just on the water then rinsing it.
I would love to see how this would work in 100+ degrees in the sun in AZ. As I have to wash in sections as during the summer there is no way that I can wash the entire car at once in the Phoenix heat in the middle of the summer and I have very little shade to wash my car in.
I can’t speak for your environment unfortunately. I can say that if you move quick enough, this will definitely buy you some time.
As a mobile detailer in south GA, i currently don't use Spot free water. So during the summer time I have to wash and dry in sections. Nothing against you or Luke ( I'm actually subscribed to you both) but for this vehicle it is white so water spots are harder to see. I would like to see this method on a black vehicle in direct sunlight without spot free water. Also, could this product be poured into the foam cannon with the soap so it's like a 1 time spray?
What type of pump sprayer are you using?
I'm just an interested individual, new to all of this. Curious....
I've never owned one, and think it'd be a great way to apply this product.
Thanks for the great content.
I’m glad it’s off benefit to you!
Honestly, it’s a cheap $10 pump sprayer from Home Depot. They don’t have many to choose from so it’s the cheapest they have
Thanks for such a prompt reply
clearly said hdx on the sprayer my guy
Superior products are very concentrated compared to most. I get better results thinning it out.
I agree. This product is highly concentrated
just mix it in to the soap bucket, been doing this for years. u can use any spray wax from your collection to do as the video. the other thing to use is a waterless wash mix
So I’ve been experimenting with that method. The problem is hat you will use much more product. You’ll need 2-3 oz in a bucket that will only last 1-2 cars. When I dilute 2-3 in a bottle it lasts me 5-6 vehicles.
What about putting this in the foam cannon with soap?
Nice video I saw Wilson’s video bu he claims no water spots Did or did not get the water spots??? Because that’s my concern
This was an effective way of preventing water spots
Allot of times when I see water spotting on the paint an it came from car wash so I try to rewash a second time to soften the detergent residue that harden on the paint in the Sun on those hot days to clean it off. From most of my experience what looks like a serious problems requires a another round of washing to remove an finding shade to dry down the top portions to repeating. Going to the car wash one of the top problems regarding water spotting is the lack of shade an people washing their vehicle not earlier between hours 7 to 10am. The Sun is too brutal on paint at certain elevated temps. If people thought more about this hard water spotting would be less of a big deal. Drying off the car quickly with the right drying towel is also important but this is something allot of people don’t put allot of study into understanding especially with large vehicles
I agree, this would be ideal. Unfortunately it’s not always applicable. As a business you work during the day. For personal cars I 100% agree with you. But as someone who is in business, 7-10 or evening time isn’t a reality. Even as a business though canopy’s aren’t always available. This isn’t the perfect method, but it’s a better method.
Video starts @ 3:38
My main question with this stuff is do you use it as a spray wax, or do you apply a different wax after? If you use it as a wax, what does the longevity look like?
It's a spray and rinse product. Although you can use it as a drying aid. It's water activated so there needs to be water present. At least according to the manufacturer... You can wax on top of it although take in consideration that there is a layer of protection already on the surface which will effect the longevity. Yes you can use it stand alone each detail
Can you link the pressure washer hose you use? Thanks
Just added it in the description box!
Luke got the idea from Scott at Dallas Paint Correction
You know what's better then this method? That is mixing it directly into foam Cannon with the soap or in the soap buckets. That way you don't even have to spray the car anymore since the soap already has the protection.
I couldn’t imagine that being good for the foam cannon. Have you tried this?
I have heard some people put in in the wash bucket with the soapy water so it's in the mit or whatever you use to wash
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip I've done this for over a year and no problems yet.
Yeah but what's the longevity of the product from doing it this way??? Is it worth it?
This product isn’t a longevity product regardless of method. You’ll probably get a few days out of it
Where do you hook up your water when you go to apartments like this?
I have a 50 gal tank in my vehicle
You don't need to pimp for Wilson. Superior Products and others were talking about this *2 years* ago. BTW, it's cheapest at O'Reilly, $25.
Pimp for Wilson? Lol
He’s not paying me to talk about this. Him and I actually never spoke. Yes, if you go in person and have them order it, then it’s 25. If you need it shipped and it doesn’t qualify for free shipping, that will adjust accordingly
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip Your videos are at least as interesting to me as you don't shout. Presentation is important on YT. (I'm a stage speaker, BTW). I drove an extra 5 miles and now have a gallon of #4; O'Reilly will get it for you if they don't have it. I apologize if that rained on your affiliate parade. Getting paid is important.
@@ahumpage I’m actually not an affiliate. I just try to recommend what’s easiest… Public speaker? That’s great! I do a bit of public speaking myself. More so in a church setting. Needless to say I get much louder with a mic lol
Do you use this product in a foamer pump sprayer?
No. I couldn’t imagine a product like this has much foaming capability
So, would the proper way be to use this once you rinse and start the dry process so it leaves less water spots during that giving you time? Not sure I’d trust the soap + formula.
There are multiple ways of using this product. The way mentioned in the video being soap + formula. Another being rinsing off product, apply formula, then rinse again before drying. Last being use as a drying aid.
The way in the video definitely works, but the more I’ve done it, the more I realize there tends to be a residue issue. Nothing a quick wipe down won’t fix, but that has occurred. Second method is I think the best method for preventing water spots but probably doesn’t help with longevity. Last method will have the longest lifespan but may not help in preventing water spots…
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip I am looking into introducing the second method, a newer detailer but considering I’m running hard water I need to be sure I don’t leave spotting for clients. If I may ask what spray sealant has worked best for you? Bead maker i have but have saw it introduce some problems
@@ArthurMSoto you can’t go wrong with any method, but I believe the second is the easiest. As far as a spray sealant bead maker is fine if your not looking for longevity. With a good application you can get a couple months with it. I currently use McKees 37 Hydro Blue for sealants. I use Bead Maker for more of a spray wax/quick detailer. The Formula 4 actually makes Bead Maker streak less.
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip I’ll be honest I’m looking for an up sell product that’s up to a month of protection. Also plan to use with maintenance details so may continue to try Bead maker with that
Bead Maker is great for that. I’m also a fan of technicians choice. The GMax and the Ceramic Detail Spray work quite well
you diluted the spray wax with 9 parts water and 1 part spray wax?
Roughly
To anyone wanting to purchase this, you'll get it faster if you order from the factory directly versus Amazon.
Thanks!
It’s also a few dollars cheaper direct from o’ Riley’s! Win/win
Maybe I missed something here but wasn’t the purpose of this video is to see if it prevents water spotting? I didn’t hear you mention anything about that.
Although Luke is an awesome detailer entrepreneu
r...unfortunately This has been done prior to his video's....And others should get as much credit as well. This was also put out from a Dallas Detailer in a very hot and sunny condition on a black vehicle..but kudos to all who use the product because it does help
About three years ago when Scott introduced this to the public I had made a video and gave him credit. This video wasn’t reviewing a product, only a process.
It has been a while, but I think Scott from Dallas Paint Correction and Auto Detailing, did a video on this product. I cannot remember if he rinsed the car, then washed it, let the car almost dry, and then sprayed the Formula 4 Spray Wax. I just remember him using the product on a black vehicle in the hot Dallas sun. This is the video: th-cam.com/video/tzLlo3ySIrs/w-d-xo.html
I remember the video. I believed he rinsed off the soap, applied the product, then rinsed the product, then dried.
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip you might be correct. I have to watch it again. But, hey, it works well. I like when something works well. :)
@@franksattler6053 agreed!
I actually used this on both of my vehicles, black camry and black aviator.. No shade and no water spots when done
I’d like to see someone actually do a video about water spots on dark colored vehicles that show them more. It seems like they mostly show on white which doesn’t show water spots very well
Will do!
When I get a darker vehicle I’ll for sure make an update!
Thanks!
Points to note… I use this chemical everyday and wouldn’t go on a detail without it, you were babying the product, the more of the wax you put on the panels is the better it beads and the longer it protects. you used it as a mist that won’t do much to repel or protect… if you put more on the panels you get better results. It doesn’t matter how trashed the car is or the type of soap.
How I do it once I do my prep for bugs and so on I apply the foam, after fully foamed down the vehicle I apply the wax, then I do a contact wash with the wax already on, once you spray the wax on the foam it slides away like butter, the contact wash will apply to the panels without sud and nothing will stick to the surfaces after the wax was applied, u can even make the wax dry in hot sun to glass and panels even black cars and it will just wash off like butter when you go to rinse it, wouldn’t recommend you do it but just a pointer so you know In direct sun 80/90+ degree weather it won’t damage anything
Go to one of your local self wash car washes and foam up ur vehicle and use the wax or pressure wax whatever they call it at at your local place and you’ll see the results if you don’t want to try it on a customer vehicle.
It's easier just to use the suction of the pressure washer on soap mode and spray the car down with formula wax
You mean put the spray wax in the pressure washer?
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip use the suction hose on the pressure washer and stick it in the gallon of formula 4 and it will suck up the spray wax and spray on the car.
The main factor is hard (well) unsoftened water. Not living in the city it makes it impossible to avoid water spots.
So that definitely is a factor. Although, if you have a home base, shop, basically non mobile it is easier to mitigate. Canopy, water softening system, garage. Also, you could wash half the vehicle at a time. You can of course do Rinseless Wash methods. There are tons of things you can do
Did I miss the part where it helps with water spots ?
Could you just add this to the soap without having to spray it on after?
Yes you can, although it won’t be as effective…
Auto magic Bead Maker might work as well.
I don’t believe I’ve used that. I’ll have to look into it
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip Looks like I had the name wrong it is E-Z Beads #47 from them.
It’s still worth a try!
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip did you ever get a chance to test.
Hey my friend are you using hard water?
Whatever comes out of the tap!
I don’t have a hard water meter, but yes I can get hard water spotting if not careful
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip thanks for answering my question, God bless you so much and your business, but I have one more question, if you already got the water spots when you are washing, what’s the best way to remove it? Can I use ONR or something like that?
My pleasure!
So it depends on the severity of the water spot. If it’s just surface level and can be confused with dirt, then yes onr would work. If it’s in the paint, your better off using a water spot remover or just polishing
@@mr.lad-detailingtricksntip thanks again my frien I already subscribe to your channel, make more videos about you working in direct sun light and really heat days and how you do it to deal with all that because beginners as me, don’t have enough money for ID water 💦
A deionized water system is the best.
Agreed! But not always conducive
Water spots caused by the customer ? ps. better off with a white tip ( 40 ° + nozzle ) or more for qucker rinsing IMO )
Caused by customer from possibly rinsing the car off themselves without drying, sprinklers, previous detailers. Unfortunately those things happen. I had a customer one time who spent 2200 on a ceramic coating from a “detail shop” who said he could rinse the car off every morning and drive to dry the car…
Needless to say he wasn’t a customer for very long…
Thanks for the tip!
Scott from Dallas Paint Correction shared this tip yeats ago
Yeah, I was wondering about that. I remember seeing DPC's video on this a whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiile ago.
same product, different technique. scott applied it to a rinsed car and rinsed again, vs putting it over soap and rinsing once
Try in foam cannon 1:10 😂
Bro try this test on a black car if you think this realy works
I did…
It worked…
first the car must be dark color in order to test it properly. A white car will not show the spots properly
*In general, every car wash facility uses it... Let's get this RIGHT for the record Luke Wilson learned it from Dallas Paint Correction who brought it to TH-cam initially.*
I think we are all aware of Scott bringing this to light. What Scott didn’t mention is the method in which I demonstrated and that was focused on by Luke. No discredit to Scott. I made a video on this 2 years ago when Scott first introduced it to TH-cam so no need to brown nose in this video…
Not sure what this proves? At the point you stop it does not prove anything regarding water spotting.
Rip off of Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing that Scott posted on TH-cam 5 years ago!
Thats why i don't give likes i don't subscribe to no youtubers cause i see people asking question cause they want to learn and maybe not mess up no ones car and they dont get no answers back
Are you saying I don’t respond to questions? I might miss one here and there but I try to add input by responding to questions. Did you have a question?
Well just fuck the other car next to it huh?
To much blabber to get to the meat.