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I think it will be very interesting taking like a quick any openings in with Music 1 quick with his origins is fine but the rest of it was too dark I prefer a rainy Spiderman is more pure heart and light
Michael Bay's titles be like: Spider-man Spider-man: Revenge of the Octopus Spider-man: Darkness of The Symbiote Spider-man: Age of the Lizard Spider-man: The Last Avenger
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@@FrancisHD I disagree tbh. Sounds like he hated the entire concept of the character. If we do get a spiderman noir film, I hope it comes from a spiderman fan. I feel like his comment about "not being able to sleep at night" if he did things the classic way should disqualify him from making a spiderman film
Change Uncle Ben to his father Jack, MJ to Elektra and the spider bite to losing his sight, and it’d be a great start to Daredevil, who I think Fincher would do well with
I think if Fincher’s version of the character was released today it would be an interesting and fascinating take on the character of Peter Parker and Spider-Man. However in 1999 I don’t think this pitch would have gone over well with general audiences.
I like a lot of the ideas he has but it ultimately comes down to a respect and appreciation for the character. I don't see that based on the information being presented to me. He seems embarrassed by Spider-Man as a comic book character and that's not someone I would want in charge.
I don't think Fincher is embarrassed of Spider-Man as a comic book character. Fincher came from an industry based on iconography and provocation; music video production. So he knows what's cool and interesting. Even before that he said he read comics growing up. But Fincher is a film buff 1st. So he's looking at Spider-Man from the lens of a great teenage story about adolescents. Something more 3 dimensional instead of a simple Superhero film. Up to that point he direct Se7en, The Game, and Fight Club. So it would've been introspective and vey psychological. While still looking cool of course because Fincher is Fincher.
I feel like his attitude regarding the Spider-Man character and his stories might have been the key to Sony declining the offer. It's not all about having someone that is willing to follow studio orders (still a big part of it) but someone that is genuinely excited to work on the film project. His script, while it could have been good, sounds like someone that does not see the heart of Spider-Man within the comic books and wishes to throw all of that out the window just to say: "This is how you make a hero suffer, this is the way it should be, my way". This shows to me when he heard Andrew Garfield was playing the role of the character. No enthusiasm, no good wishes, no opinions. Just a comment on not being able to see the actor in spandex, which in my mind means "Whoever plays the character will not be taken seriously". Glad that he was not picked and I understand Sony's decision.
@@MsTriangle Which Batman storyline are you talking about? Even if you clarify, my point is his attitude towards the entire thing is dismissive, arrogant, and distasteful. Doesn't seem like a person who really enjoys comic book characters outside of the possibility of making money off of them and in a way in which he does not feel shame doing so. He states clearly how he would be ashamed in doing the origins of Spider-Man on screen. That just shows he wasn't the right man for job.
@@xomi_el At that time before and during the release of Amazing Spider-Man, there was a noticeable shift in greeter and darker stories. We can call it the Dark Knight Effect. At that specific moment the studio wanted to give this director a chance to do a good script because the studio called for a change it the status quo of Spider-Man, which is what the director wanted to do in early 2000s.
What I love about Raimi's film is there is a real love for the character and the lore of the comics. He tries to include as much from the classic Spider-Man comics as he can. I never understand directors who have absolutely no reverence for the source material taking on a property like this. Looking at you Todd Phillips.
@@MsTriangle Okay? I don't really care, I'm just saying how I felt about Phillips constantly slagging off comic books and comic book movies while promoting his comic book movie. And that he admitted he was merely using an IP with brand recognition to get in the door at WB so they'd give him a budget for his 2 hour Martin Scorsese homage. Did I enjoy the movie? Yes. But I prefer when filmmakers are passionate about the subject matter they're tackling.
I'm sorry but thank god this guy wasn't allowed to direct the first Spiderman......Obviously, we never got to see his rendition, and we can use hindsight to look back on the Raimi Spidermans. But holy shit am I so damn glad 8-year-old me got Raimi's version, Tobey as my Spiderman, and everything that came with all that. I love what I got. Raimi did a perfect job of staying close to the comics while developing his own story and keeping it swaying between a lighthearted comic book movie and the realities of being a hero. The motifs, underlying messages, themes and symbolisms Raimi played with all make them better and better watch the more you see them. And yes, I liked Spiderman 3. Not the best one of the trilogy, but sometimes you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain, and maybe Raimi didn't have a choice.
He really didn't, he wanted sandman to be the main villain but the studio pressured him into putting Venom into the movie because they thought the fans would like it and for merch sales. Raimi didn't really like Venom as a character but he did his best with it. I think Venom turned out pretty cool, but I still would have been ok without his inclusion.
Michael bay's spiderman: Opening scene- Spiderman throwing pumpkin bombs (the explosion is 50 times more than a normal explosion ) instead of web shooter, wick cuts to MJ's cleveage then immediately a single shot of sony experia phone on Green goblin's one hand, on another hand he is holding coca cola.
David Fincher is a great director but stay him the fuck away from Spider-Man. Give him Daredevil or Batman if he wants to do a CBM but don't even let him touch Spider-Man with a 10 foot long poll.
@@cactusmalone who happen to be one of if the most tragic hero in the marvel universe and most if his iconic stories are dark af: Kreven the last hunt and the death of Jean dewolff, the other, back in black, Spiderman reign. Even stories like sin past even though i hate the story af (and hate on more day)
@@cactusmalone dude tragedy because part of the spider man myth.look at Steve ditko the was he was working on Spiderman, Spiderman for the most part consider light hearted because that People tend to say because he is funny and try to be a clown or some shit like the way ultimate Spider-Man show play him. But he basically use humor in order to fight his anxiety during battle and dealing with some of the dark aspects of the marvel universe for most time
Venom 2 WAS going to be R Rated. But a certain shitty R Rated movie called The Suicide Squad fucking bombed at the box office and Sony lost their balls.
@@AlvinFlang69420 yeah its not like it was on HBO max too aswell as being a Suicide Squad movie. Why would Sony even be shocked it bombed. I swear all these huge corporations take the completely wrong lessons from literally everything
@@AlvinFlang69420 I don’t think that was the exact reason for it. Plus Suicide Squad would’ve done a lot better had it not been released in the middle of the pandemic still going on.
ngl Chris Columbus as a director could've been great but I think rami was a fantastic choice. Rami made it a family movie while still having extremely dark moments mixed into the film. Something that the MCU Spidey has not been able to do as well in my own opinion
Honestly, this was a terrible idea. Fincher clearly did not understand the character nor what people love anout him. I hate when directors want to ignore everything that made an iconic character iconic in the first place. Some things you just shouldn’t mess with. I’m glad we never got this version.
Id like to see fincher tackle the sin eater storyline or kravens last Hunt. I wouldn't mind mind seeing a dark and gritty spiderman seeing as how the character has had different takes on him in 6 decades.
@@KenLinx But people don't understand that. That's why it's totally perplexing to see people think that someone as proven and genius as Fincher would've messed it up. It lowkey shows you how the Spiderman movies we have existence are sort of surface level to the masses. Raimi ended up doing the same concept with his opening. Fincher visualstyle, as show by his title openings, would've been glorious. A teenage melodrama that deals with real human interaction and consequences? Fincher would've succeeded. Finally, Who says Spider-Man a young adult doesn't have a psychological nature to him? As you stated he's had a lot of trauma and strife.
He didn’t really understand the character of Peter Parker/Spider-Man. I love the raimi films but Spider-Man didn’t need to be campy all the time, it can definitely be dark but not to the point of being gritty. That’s just not who he is, that’s more Batman territory. Spider-Man PS4 imo perfectly captures the tone and feel of a modern Spider-Man
Have you read the comics? Plenty of gritty Spider-Man runs. Really dark stuff. Not campy. Camp is the old stuff. 80s and 90s onward haven't been campy in the comics. (The cartoons don't count.) The old 60s and 70s comics were cheesy sure. But saying Batman is gritty and not Spider-Man is like ignoring half of each franchise. Batman has tons of campy versions, including his original appearances in the comics, first tv show, and his first run of movies all the way up until they did Christopher Nolan's Batman. Tim Burton's was still campy with the darkness. They both have done gritty and dark/ and silly campy at some point.
I'm not sure when or if Cutshort will ever come back but when or if he does, I really hope he could cover the Ted & Elliot Godzilla from the mid 90's, I felt like it was time he talked about cancelled giant monster movies but a man could dream... 😪
On one hand, Fincher was doing what Marvel has done for sixty years (torturing Peter) and that's true to the comics. On the other hand Sony tortured Spidey (and just tied the crew's hands behind thier backs) all on their lonesome.
Ironically this kind of reminds me of Peter B Parker, a version of Spider Man who lost MJ in a divorce and has been Spider Man for so long he's basically settled into it but he's still hiding a lot of emotional pain
I don't know how I'd feel about this particular story. I think the death of Gwen Stacy has to be earned after alot of setup, but I do really like the idea of jumping into the life of Spider-Man/Peter Parker as an experienced and older adult. I'm really trying to like Tom Holland as the current Spider-Man but he's just presented as being too young and goofy for my taste and not once do I feel he's ever the friendly neighborhood every man hero. With the multiverse a thing now I'd love to see an alternate earth film that's a return to basics with a smaller, more personal story and no crazy tech suits or inheritance to help him solve problems along the way. I wanna see Spider-Man do more with less ya know? It makes his victories feel so much sweeter.
Woah, for a minute I thought you were going to talk about James Cameron's Spider-Man. The moment I heard it was David Fincher's I was like. "I'm listening"
it would not have been impactful to Peter's suffering, if those death of people from Peter's life are only shown in a montage, just no, he must have mistaken Peter Parker/Spider-man for Bruce Wayne/Batman
It wouldn't be bad if we weren't talking about 1999. One of the greatest pros of Sam Raimi was to translate a good synopsis of the classic Spider-Man character and its comic book dynamics into a vast audience, that's why everybody compares the new movies to his trilogy, because since then everyone wanted to do it different, either as a romance story with mystery themes or a comedy film series about growing up (with technological and fantasy elements in the mix).
Hey Cutshort, I would love to see a video on the Cancelled 2018 Ben Affleck Batman Movie. I think it is a very intresting movie and definitely worth making a video on.
Honestly, I'm extremely open for a gritty Spider-Man movie. Spider-Man as a character has been through many adaptations and takes throughout his comic book history. I doubt the world is ready for a darker Spider-Man story, but I am. I want something different for the character while at the same time respect what make Spider-Man everyone's favorite.
There's a reason why the MCU is the most profitable movie franchise in the history of the medium. We don't need any more "gritty reimaginings" of fun, over the top comic books. We already have Watchmen. If a director doesn't get the colourful, iconic earnestness of comic books, they shouldn't be making a comic book movie, especially if they have such clear and obvious contempt for the source material that they find it too embarrassing to actually film.
Being fun is not the problem. It's when you try so hard to make them "fun" that you actively avoid trying to give these characters any depth at all. That's the current MCU's biggest issue. A movie can both be fun and deep at the same time. The MCU doesn't realize this.
@@gamemediafan1714 At this point the MCU has expanded to include everything from Winter Soldier's political spy thriller format to Ant-Man's heist flick. Are there some shallow MCU films? Absolutely. But for every Thor: The Dark World there is Thor: Ragnarok to try a different formula. I have no problem with big, dumb, fun action movies, even though I have no interest in watching them. Like you, I want depth in my movies. But depth doesn't mean grimdark. Winter Soldier is fun _and_ deep.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Thor Ragnarok does have cool visuals and cinematography but in reality it's not really a unique movie. It's pretty much a GOTG movie with Thor characters.
@@zenituragaming5043 You sound young. And, frankly, uneducated about film. And "Lmao" is not a line of reasoning. Expressions of contempt might impress your middle school locker room, but out in the real world you need to learn how to think. Making axiomatic assertions isn't an argument.
Reimi's version is good old fun, Fincher's would've been an unappreciated masterpiece ngl, it even could've delayed all this superhero madness for who knows? 5, 10 years? If he ever gets to direct one superhero movie I'm sure it'd end up Logan-like. I'd love to see a movie like that.
I think Fincher would have worked really well to continue the series past the second film but that Raimi was the right call for the first two films. Fascinating video!
Honestly, I think one project that would be worth covering would be the aborted _Superman V_ screenplay from around 1989-1990. The film predated _The Death of Superman_ by featuring Superman die and be resurrected in the shrunken Kryptonian city of Kandor without his powers. IDK, I always thought it was interesting.
For the first ever Spider-Man film? No, that wouldn't go well. But now after a handful of em? Maybe. Especially since Into the Spiderverse touched on the whole depressed Spider-Man angle
i'm glad we got raimi. but i also wouldn't mind a really dark spider-man story as a movie. maybe a spider-man film inspired by 2017 logan! there's a comic book called "spider-man: reign". it's set 30 years into the future, where spider-man has retired and new york is under authoritarian control. many beloved characters, including aged villains, die. it's grim stories like this that i would love to see on live action.
An iteration of Spider-Man that skips the origin story? One that is grittier and not as family friendly, featuring the death of Gwen Stacy? Well, shit, Fincher should've directed the first Amazing Spider-Man film, at least. I'm sure Garfield could've convinced Fincher that he was the right man for the job. As for Fincher being in Raimi's place during the 2000s? It wasn't mean to be and rightfully so. But, I really wish Fincher directing the TASM franchise had happened now.
I wouldn’t mind him making one if they rebooted it but I’m not sure it would have worked back then. In my opinion the Rami movies were the best Spider-Man could’ve been at the time and is the excellent roadmap for anyone doing Spider-Man in live action today. I’m not sure his version would work if he did it before Rami.
id love to see a dark spider-man film, ones thats gritty and really pushes spider-man to his limits - i think the closest rendition we got to this was in Spider-Man 2, when he was against Doc Oc - however the plot during this adversity, in school and with MJ had Peter acting sorta down and depressed and with an attitude of "oh well i guess ill fight him" rather than him WANTING TO FIGHT BACK - to be angry and upset that things weren't necessarily going his way - thats a movie that i think a large audience could resonate with and relate to - good people being pushed to their limits and now have to literally fight back to stay alive - Peter Parker/Spider-Man is one of the few superheroes that embody this human trait we all share - in the later renditions with Garfield and now Holland, going for a teen P.P. having "adolescent" challenges, is quite thin and can only go so far, its not as compelling, and with Hollands version in MCU a lot of his challenges are simply brushed away with his "tech-suit" assisting immensely - P.P. didnt always stay a child - he grew up and had a life the same as everyone does, except he has to remain Spider-Man throughout it all - we need to see this side of the characters story that has never been told
Fincher idea of 10 min long montage should have been used for the amazing spiderman intro because we already saw that in raimi version and marc webb could have saved a good 20-30 min not showing the origin again.
Terrible pitch for a movie that banks on negativity bias. Just because you can make a dark Spiderman movie doesn't mean you should. Especially if it is the first in the line of Spiderman movies. Everytime a comic book character is shown on the big screen, it inevitably changes the comic versions of the character moving forward. It can't be helped. And I for one think Spiderman, for all his hardships, should not be toned darkly.
Nice to see you back. Should like to hear about Bruce Willis unfinished movie Broadway Brawler and how Katherine Bigalow Triple frontier became Netflix bad movie.
At last, at long long last, I've been looking forward to you uploading again, and I was hoping you would cover this movie, it's good to have you back cutshort
A darker Spider-Man movie... I'm not sure if its fresh enough of an idea anymore after the Marc Webb movies and although not darker, a more serious Spider-Man with the PS4 games and although the MCU movies are ending, who knows what direction Spider-verse will take with the upcoming sequel
I MUCH prefer the Raimi's take on the Spiderman franchise excluding the Venom Symbiote. While I believe it would've been an incredible Dark/Gritty story the Target audience would be lost and it wouldn't have been a success for the company. It would've cancelled the entire trilogy imo and Spider-man would be lost to the wind. I think in today's climate, where the Multi-verse is now CANON it will and can exist as a standalone film. Having a dark/gritty spider-man would actually be a BIG box office success. Especially if Raimi goes back to his Horror-roots for a Horror-Spider-man flick.
in all fairness edward norton being older might have played completely into the story he had in mind, he did say he didnt wanna do the whole bitten by a spider thing, so knowing he would have changed spiderman to its very core, i would not be surprised if in his vision spiderman was not a teen, maybe it was going to be an adult spiderman, who knows? sadly not us
Michael Jackson was going to be Spiderman, but he's out. He wanted to buy Marvel Comics with his money when Marvel was going off the rails of business. What a bummer.😂
What's really interesting is if you look at all 3 Spider-Men and their movies, we got almost all of his influences and ideas anyway. Almost everything is there spread out over every version instead of all in one film. And now we're at the point with Tom Holland where he's lost everything. Eventually they will have done all of his ideas as they keep making these movies.
I think his idea had tons of potential to be honest but not as the first major Spiderman film. It would be cool however if they made one final Tobey film where they incorporate more gritty dark elements to it, kind of like what they did with Logan.
To be honest, I'm super glad this never happened. Sounds like something that would find it's audience today, where everyone praises nihilism over the moon, and Marvel jumps on every apportunity to destroy Peter Parker's life even more. This script seems like something that would open up with Peter's deal with Mefisto to cancel his marriage or something... Not the character to use it for. Maybe Spider-man noir or Ben Reilly...
Considering that by that time there was no live action Spiderman movie (or at least not a huge blockbuster one, as far as I know), his take was pretty bad. Today it's another story, since we had three Spidermen already in live action films.
@@youngblood4127 You might be taking superhero movies too seriously. They aren't flawless, but they are probably the most fun and entertaining superhero movies ever.
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I think it will be very interesting taking like a quick any openings in with Music 1 quick with his origins is fine but the rest of it was too dark I prefer a rainy Spiderman is more pure heart and light
@Prism Projects I agree
@@jackslater8595 That Godzilla movie was a real cancelled project? Oh, yeah he DEFINITELY needs to check that out.
Michael Bay's titles be like:
Spider-man
Spider-man: Revenge of the Octopus
Spider-man: Darkness of The Symbiote
Spider-man: Age of the Lizard
Spider-man: The Last Avenger
No joke those are badass names if the MCU went down the usual Spider-Man route minus Dark Of The Symbiote.
Ha ha
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@@blacklanton ofcourse, the explosions
I want this
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Rather than it being a normal Spider Man film, I think it would've worked better as Spider Man Noir kinda vibe seeing how gritty/dark it was
Holy shit, you are right! He'd be perfect for Spider-Noir.
Noir... One of the most underrated Spider-man
good choice
If we were ever to see something like what Fincher was apparently planning it would of never been with Peter Parker
Spider Noir definitely needs his own movie but let's keep him animated for now. At least , that's how I feel about it.
@@FrancisHD I disagree tbh. Sounds like he hated the entire concept of the character.
If we do get a spiderman noir film, I hope it comes from a spiderman fan. I feel like his comment about "not being able to sleep at night" if he did things the classic way should disqualify him from making a spiderman film
Fincher’s Peter Parker after losing Gwen:
“I had just gotten over being devastated! Now I’m devastated again!!”
Brother.
MrSundayMovies?
I remember that from the unmade BVS movie
@@ComradeJoe72 That video is so fucking funny! I go back and watch it every couple years for a good laugh
“I understood that reference”
"but you said he was deaaaaad"
Change Uncle Ben to his father Jack, MJ to Elektra and the spider bite to losing his sight, and it’d be a great start to Daredevil, who I think Fincher would do well with
Now that u say it, I think he could be a good Daredevil director
That’s actually a really good thought. It would be sick to see something like that in the MCU with that rumoured project that’s in the works.
@@saulshlosberg It’s Disney their standards of ‘R-rated’ would probably be a NC16 standard at most.
Now i want one with charlie cox..
Bring back Ben Affleck as Daredevil
I think if Fincher’s version of the character was released today it would be an interesting and fascinating take on the character of Peter Parker and Spider-Man. However in 1999 I don’t think this pitch would have gone over well with general audiences.
I like a lot of the ideas he has but it ultimately comes down to a respect and appreciation for the character. I don't see that based on the information being presented to me. He seems embarrassed by Spider-Man as a comic book character and that's not someone I would want in charge.
Agreed
I don't think Fincher is embarrassed of Spider-Man as a comic book character. Fincher came from an industry based on iconography and provocation; music video production. So he knows what's cool and interesting. Even before that he said he read comics growing up. But Fincher is a film buff 1st. So he's looking at Spider-Man from the lens of a great teenage story about adolescents. Something more 3 dimensional instead of a simple Superhero film. Up to that point he direct Se7en, The Game, and Fight Club. So it would've been introspective and vey psychological. While still looking cool of course because Fincher is Fincher.
You say that but Spider-Man noir exists.
@Versatile Wolf comic book media is legit the most popular thing on earth right now
@Versatile Wolf Millions upon millions of people. What a stupid comment.
I feel like his attitude regarding the Spider-Man character and his stories might have been the key to Sony declining the offer. It's not all about having someone that is willing to follow studio orders (still a big part of it) but someone that is genuinely excited to work on the film project. His script, while it could have been good, sounds like someone that does not see the heart of Spider-Man within the comic books and wishes to throw all of that out the window just to say: "This is how you make a hero suffer, this is the way it should be, my way". This shows to me when he heard Andrew Garfield was playing the role of the character. No enthusiasm, no good wishes, no opinions. Just a comment on not being able to see the actor in spandex, which in my mind means "Whoever plays the character will not be taken seriously". Glad that he was not picked and I understand Sony's decision.
But wasnt his pitch similar to Batman storyline?
@@MsTriangle Which Batman storyline are you talking about? Even if you clarify, my point is his attitude towards the entire thing is dismissive, arrogant, and distasteful. Doesn't seem like a person who really enjoys comic book characters outside of the possibility of making money off of them and in a way in which he does not feel shame doing so. He states clearly how he would be ashamed in doing the origins of Spider-Man on screen. That just shows he wasn't the right man for job.
Then why they wanted him again huh? After the dark Knight success
@@RingWraith-jh2zl the whole theme of being devastated and in pain is very Batman-like
@@xomi_el At that time before and during the release of Amazing Spider-Man, there was a noticeable shift in greeter and darker stories. We can call it the Dark Knight Effect. At that specific moment the studio wanted to give this director a chance to do a good script because the studio called for a change it the status quo of Spider-Man, which is what the director wanted to do in early 2000s.
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Its only been 3 months
@@jeffcrow2506 and look at the Viedo before that
What is profile face from
Man it sucks that he’s gone. I can understand these videos must have taken ages to research and make. Hope he’s doing ok
Same man, but this is the life when you have a full-on job and college stuff to do.
What I love about Raimi's film is there is a real love for the character and the lore of the comics. He tries to include as much from the classic Spider-Man comics as he can. I never understand directors who have absolutely no reverence for the source material taking on a property like this. Looking at you Todd Phillips.
However Todd Philips delivered.
@@MsTriangle He accidentally delivered a decent movie, but his obvious distaste for the source material tainted it a bit for me.
@@spencerobrien1233 i completely do not agree with you
@@MsTriangle Okay? I don't really care, I'm just saying how I felt about Phillips constantly slagging off comic books and comic book movies while promoting his comic book movie. And that he admitted he was merely using an IP with brand recognition to get in the door at WB so they'd give him a budget for his 2 hour Martin Scorsese homage.
Did I enjoy the movie? Yes. But I prefer when filmmakers are passionate about the subject matter they're tackling.
odd comment
I'm sorry but thank god this guy wasn't allowed to direct the first Spiderman......Obviously, we never got to see his rendition, and we can use hindsight to look back on the Raimi Spidermans. But holy shit am I so damn glad 8-year-old me got Raimi's version, Tobey as my Spiderman, and everything that came with all that. I love what I got. Raimi did a perfect job of staying close to the comics while developing his own story and keeping it swaying between a lighthearted comic book movie and the realities of being a hero. The motifs, underlying messages, themes and symbolisms Raimi played with all make them better and better watch the more you see them. And yes, I liked Spiderman 3. Not the best one of the trilogy, but sometimes you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain, and maybe Raimi didn't have a choice.
Agreed
Underrated comment
Ye, I think if Raimi was given creativity freedom with Spider-Man 3 then his trilogy would've been a perfect one.
He really didn't, he wanted sandman to be the main villain but the studio pressured him into putting Venom into the movie because they thought the fans would like it and for merch sales. Raimi didn't really like Venom as a character but he did his best with it. I think Venom turned out pretty cool, but I still would have been ok without his inclusion.
@@dylancole1910 man venom in the movie was just a toned down black carnage no venom. And raimi actually dosnet understand venom Idk if he hates venom
Michael bay's spiderman:
Opening scene- Spiderman throwing pumpkin bombs (the explosion is 50 times more than a normal explosion ) instead of web shooter, wick cuts to MJ's cleveage then immediately a single shot of sony experia phone on Green goblin's one hand, on another hand he is holding coca cola.
“The cancelled cut short channel that fans miss”
It’s definitely interesting, but I love Sam Raimi’s trilogy!
David Fincher is a great director but stay him the fuck away from Spider-Man.
Give him Daredevil or Batman if he wants to do a CBM but don't even let him touch Spider-Man with a 10 foot long poll.
He Was Going To Direct Batman (Before Chris Nolan)
Why
did you mean 39 and a half foot pole lol
@@cactusmalone who happen to be one of if the most tragic hero in the marvel universe and most if his iconic stories are dark af: Kreven the last hunt and the death of Jean dewolff, the other, back in black, Spiderman reign. Even stories like sin past even though i hate the story af (and hate on more day)
@@cactusmalone dude tragedy because part of the spider man myth.look at Steve ditko the was he was working on Spiderman, Spiderman for the most part consider light hearted because that
People tend to say because he is funny and try to be a clown or some shit like the way ultimate Spider-Man show play him. But he basically use humor in order to fight his anxiety during battle and dealing with some of the dark aspects of the marvel universe for most time
Sounds so dope, wish Sony made ballsy movies….
….like making “Venom 2” R rated
Venom 2 WAS going to be R Rated. But a certain shitty R Rated movie called The Suicide Squad fucking bombed at the box office and Sony lost their balls.
@@AlvinFlang69420 yeah its not like it was on HBO max too aswell as being a Suicide Squad movie. Why would Sony even be shocked it bombed. I swear all these huge corporations take the completely wrong lessons from literally everything
@@AlvinFlang69420 I don’t think that was the exact reason for it. Plus Suicide Squad would’ve done a lot better had it not been released in the middle of the pandemic still going on.
@@AlvinFlang69420 "shitty"? So. You've chosen death.
@@AlvinFlang69420 that has literally nothing to do with it lmao
ngl Chris Columbus as a director could've been great but I think rami was a fantastic choice. Rami made it a family movie while still having extremely dark moments mixed into the film. Something that the MCU Spidey has not been able to do as well in my own opinion
Bob? Didn’t expect you here
What's your opinion on no way home?
Honestly, this was a terrible idea. Fincher clearly did not understand the character nor what people love anout him. I hate when directors want to ignore everything that made an iconic character iconic in the first place. Some things you just shouldn’t mess with. I’m glad we never got this version.
Id like to see fincher tackle the sin eater storyline or kravens last Hunt. I wouldn't mind mind seeing a dark and gritty spiderman seeing as how the character has had different takes on him in 6 decades.
I can respect Fincher vision but his interpretation of Spider-Man isn't really Spider-Man
Right, it is Batman
Wtf are you talking about? It totally is Spiderman. Spiderman in the comics have always had a lot of strife.
@@KenLinx But people don't understand that. That's why it's totally perplexing to see people think that someone as proven and genius as Fincher would've messed it up. It lowkey shows you how the Spiderman movies we have existence are sort of surface level to the masses. Raimi ended up doing the same concept with his opening. Fincher visualstyle, as show by his title openings, would've been glorious. A teenage melodrama that deals with real human interaction and consequences? Fincher would've succeeded. Finally, Who says Spider-Man a young adult doesn't have a psychological nature to him? As you stated he's had a lot of trauma and strife.
Hey dude, hope you’re doing alright.
He didn’t really understand the character of Peter Parker/Spider-Man. I love the raimi films but Spider-Man didn’t need to be campy all the time, it can definitely be dark but not to the point of being gritty. That’s just not who he is, that’s more Batman territory. Spider-Man PS4 imo perfectly captures the tone and feel of a modern Spider-Man
The only time Spider-Man can be very gritty is if he has the symbiote
Have you read the comics? Plenty of gritty Spider-Man runs. Really dark stuff. Not campy. Camp is the old stuff. 80s and 90s onward haven't been campy in the comics. (The cartoons don't count.) The old 60s and 70s comics were cheesy sure. But saying Batman is gritty and not Spider-Man is like ignoring half of each franchise. Batman has tons of campy versions, including his original appearances in the comics, first tv show, and his first run of movies all the way up until they did Christopher Nolan's Batman. Tim Burton's was still campy with the darkness. They both have done gritty and dark/ and silly campy at some point.
It’s literally been a year since this came out
damn, the channel really was cutshort....
Ba dum tss
wow, the last time Cutshort uploaded a vid was the last time I was actually happy with my life
Stop being pathetic
I personally would've loved to see a Spiderman film like this, I really like the idea of a dark and broken take on the character
Yo what type of music is that in the background? Its like it's taking you through a mindfucking paradox or adventure or some shit...
I'm not sure when or if Cutshort will ever come back but when or if he does, I really hope he could cover the Ted & Elliot Godzilla from the mid 90's, I felt like it was time he talked about cancelled giant monster movies but a man could dream... 😪
Hires a comedy director: *gets a dark film*
Hires a horror director: *gets a light film*
Logic.
On one hand, Fincher was doing what Marvel has done for sixty years (torturing Peter) and that's true to the comics. On the other hand Sony tortured Spidey (and just tied the crew's hands behind thier backs) all on their lonesome.
I don't hate his take, as described, as much as I thought I might, but it sounds more like a "Spider-Man 2" story to me.
About to be 3 years since his last upload. I hope you’re ok man.
Ironically this kind of reminds me of Peter B Parker, a version of Spider Man who lost MJ in a divorce and has been Spider Man for so long he's basically settled into it but he's still hiding a lot of emotional pain
Literally just rewatched your video on Spider-Man 4 today wondering why he's not uploading. Thank goodness for a return.
Guess he's still gone... that's too bad.
I don't know how I'd feel about this particular story. I think the death of Gwen Stacy has to be earned after alot of setup, but I do really like the idea of jumping into the life of Spider-Man/Peter Parker as an experienced and older adult. I'm really trying to like Tom Holland as the current Spider-Man but he's just presented as being too young and goofy for my taste and not once do I feel he's ever the friendly neighborhood every man hero. With the multiverse a thing now I'd love to see an alternate earth film that's a return to basics with a smaller, more personal story and no crazy tech suits or inheritance to help him solve problems along the way. I wanna see Spider-Man do more with less ya know? It makes his victories feel so much sweeter.
Where are you?
What do you mean?
@@manzithegamer2563 He hasn't uploaded in ages.
@@Person-wz6iyhe might be gone.
@@physiognomies7445You really think so?
So glad to see you are back! Your videos have been very informative and I am always happy to see new content from you!
Woah, for a minute I thought you were going to talk about James Cameron's Spider-Man. The moment I heard it was David Fincher's I was like. "I'm listening"
missed you cutshort please be consistent and add more content
this guy was ahead of his time, he wanted to make a dark superhero movie before batman begins
it would not have been impactful to Peter's suffering, if those death of people from Peter's life are only shown in a montage, just no, he must have mistaken Peter Parker/Spider-man for Bruce Wayne/Batman
Glad you're making stuff again man 👏🏻 you're awesome!
It wouldn't be bad if we weren't talking about 1999. One of the greatest pros of Sam Raimi was to translate a good synopsis of the classic Spider-Man character and its comic book dynamics into a vast audience, that's why everybody compares the new movies to his trilogy, because since then everyone wanted to do it different, either as a romance story with mystery themes or a comedy film series about growing up (with technological and fantasy elements in the mix).
Hey Cutshort, I would love to see a video on the Cancelled 2018 Ben Affleck Batman Movie. I think it is a very intresting movie and definitely worth making a video on.
Honestly, I'm extremely open for a gritty Spider-Man movie. Spider-Man as a character has been through many adaptations and takes throughout his comic book history. I doubt the world is ready for a darker Spider-Man story, but I am. I want something different for the character while at the same time respect what make Spider-Man everyone's favorite.
Glad to see you starting to come back. Looking forward to more great vids!
3:49 for the story
There's a reason why the MCU is the most profitable movie franchise in the history of the medium. We don't need any more "gritty reimaginings" of fun, over the top comic books. We already have Watchmen. If a director doesn't get the colourful, iconic earnestness of comic books, they shouldn't be making a comic book movie, especially if they have such clear and obvious contempt for the source material that they find it too embarrassing to actually film.
Being fun is not the problem. It's when you try so hard to make them "fun" that you actively avoid trying to give these characters any depth at all. That's the current MCU's biggest issue. A movie can both be fun and deep at the same time. The MCU doesn't realize this.
@@gamemediafan1714 At this point the MCU has expanded to include everything from Winter Soldier's political spy thriller format to Ant-Man's heist flick. Are there some shallow MCU films? Absolutely. But for every Thor: The Dark World there is Thor: Ragnarok to try a different formula. I have no problem with big, dumb, fun action movies, even though I have no interest in watching them. Like you, I want depth in my movies. But depth doesn't mean grimdark. Winter Soldier is fun _and_ deep.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Thor Ragnarok does have cool visuals and cinematography but in reality it's not really a unique movie. It's pretty much a GOTG movie with Thor characters.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace winter soldier is not a political thriller there's nothing deep about it and antman is not a heist film Lmao
@@zenituragaming5043 You sound young. And, frankly, uneducated about film. And "Lmao" is not a line of reasoning. Expressions of contempt might impress your middle school locker room, but out in the real world you need to learn how to think. Making axiomatic assertions isn't an argument.
Where you been dude we miss you
0:48 i instantly thought of bully garfield
Fr 😂
Reimi's version is good old fun, Fincher's would've been an unappreciated masterpiece ngl, it even could've delayed all this superhero madness for who knows? 5, 10 years? If he ever gets to direct one superhero movie I'm sure it'd end up Logan-like. I'd love to see a movie like that.
I think Fincher would have worked really well to continue the series past the second film but that Raimi was the right call for the first two films. Fascinating video!
Honestly, I think one project that would be worth covering would be the aborted _Superman V_ screenplay from around 1989-1990. The film predated _The Death of Superman_ by featuring Superman die and be resurrected in the shrunken Kryptonian city of Kandor without his powers.
IDK, I always thought it was interesting.
David Fincher is a genius who fully utilizes the visual medium of film, so I'm sure it would have been incredible
Making Spider-Man a freak would be incredible?...
I, I got nothing else to say except being shocked at your comment.
It would have been more trash than how Snyder superman and batman was hated bcuz it really didn't represent like a superman and batman .
It wouldn’t be good
So is Raimi
@@sugc3209 exactly, turning iconic characters into self-absorbed edgelords is an epic fail
For the first ever Spider-Man film? No, that wouldn't go well. But now after a handful of em? Maybe. Especially since Into the Spiderverse touched on the whole depressed Spider-Man angle
I miss this channel…
I just found your channel. These videos are really cool. I hope you come back soon and make more.
i'm glad we got raimi. but i also wouldn't mind a really dark spider-man story as a movie. maybe a spider-man film inspired by 2017 logan!
there's a comic book called "spider-man: reign". it's set 30 years into the future, where spider-man has retired and new york is under authoritarian control. many beloved characters, including aged villains, die. it's grim stories like this that i would love to see on live action.
An iteration of Spider-Man that skips the origin story? One that is grittier and not as family friendly, featuring the death of Gwen Stacy?
Well, shit, Fincher should've directed the first Amazing Spider-Man film, at least. I'm sure Garfield could've convinced Fincher that he was the right man for the job. As for Fincher being in Raimi's place during the 2000s? It wasn't mean to be and rightfully so. But, I really wish Fincher directing the TASM franchise had happened now.
missing you and your content everyday cutshort 😤♥️💯
I wouldn’t mind him making one if they rebooted it but I’m not sure it would have worked back then. In my opinion the Rami movies were the best Spider-Man could’ve been at the time and is the excellent roadmap for anyone doing Spider-Man in live action today. I’m not sure his version would work if he did it before Rami.
Cutshort. Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long long time…
Come on man!! Make more videos!!
First Leonardo, then Edward - and finally we received Tobey.
This fincher's take would be great for a last stand adaptation whit a Logan inspiration and offcource a bit of his own style, maybe someday
id love to see a dark spider-man film, ones thats gritty and really pushes spider-man to his limits - i think the closest rendition we got to this was in Spider-Man 2, when he was against Doc Oc - however the plot during this adversity, in school and with MJ had Peter acting sorta down and depressed and with an attitude of "oh well i guess ill fight him" rather than him WANTING TO FIGHT BACK - to be angry and upset that things weren't necessarily going his way - thats a movie that i think a large audience could resonate with and relate to - good people being pushed to their limits and now have to literally fight back to stay alive - Peter Parker/Spider-Man is one of the few superheroes that embody this human trait we all share - in the later renditions with Garfield and now Holland, going for a teen P.P. having "adolescent" challenges, is quite thin and can only go so far, its not as compelling, and with Hollands version in MCU a lot of his challenges are simply brushed away with his "tech-suit" assisting immensely - P.P. didnt always stay a child - he grew up and had a life the same as everyone does, except he has to remain Spider-Man throughout it all - we need to see this side of the characters story that has never been told
Fincher idea of 10 min long montage should have been used for the amazing spiderman intro because we already saw that in raimi version and marc webb could have saved a good 20-30 min not showing the origin again.
Terrible pitch for a movie that banks on negativity bias. Just because you can make a dark Spiderman movie doesn't mean you should. Especially if it is the first in the line of Spiderman movies.
Everytime a comic book character is shown on the big screen, it inevitably changes the comic versions of the character moving forward. It can't be helped. And I for one think Spiderman, for all his hardships, should not be toned darkly.
Nice to see you back. Should like to hear about Bruce Willis unfinished movie Broadway Brawler and how Katherine Bigalow Triple frontier became Netflix bad movie.
At last, at long long last, I've been looking forward to you uploading again, and I was hoping you would cover this movie, it's good to have you back cutshort
Fincher must’ve been reading Berserk
so glad to see you back
Almost 2 years what the hell this channel is gonna get demonetized if there’s no upload soon
Finally, you're back once again
I think that "journalist," and everyone who cited him, is a piece of work for using "I heard somewhere" as a source in an article.
I like how you approached Fincher in the text message screenshot.
A darker Spider-Man movie... I'm not sure if its fresh enough of an idea anymore after the Marc Webb movies and although not darker, a more serious Spider-Man with the PS4 games and although the MCU movies are ending, who knows what direction Spider-verse will take with the upcoming sequel
This is gonna sound really weird, but im glad your back
Come back shane
Where are you man, where are you?
6:35 that’s kinda funny knowing that Andrew is HUGE Spider-Man fan, he definitely would feel comfortable in spandex
Thank you so much for coming back, you are probably my favorite TH-camr and it’s great to see you come back.
I MUCH prefer the Raimi's take on the Spiderman franchise excluding the Venom Symbiote. While I believe it would've been an incredible Dark/Gritty story the Target audience would be lost and it wouldn't have been a success for the company.
It would've cancelled the entire trilogy imo and Spider-man would be lost to the wind. I think in today's climate, where the Multi-verse is now CANON it will and can exist as a standalone film. Having a dark/gritty spider-man would actually be a BIG box office success. Especially if Raimi goes back to his Horror-roots for a Horror-Spider-man flick.
I feel like if Fincher had to direct a superhero movie he would be more fitting for a Batman movie lol
Very true
I think it would have been weird for Spiderman's first outing to be a gritty, dark movie. But I think this idea could work today
in all fairness edward norton being older might have played completely into the story he had in mind, he did say he didnt wanna do the whole bitten by a spider thing, so knowing he would have changed spiderman to its very core, i would not be surprised if in his vision spiderman was not a teen, maybe it was going to be an adult spiderman, who knows? sadly not us
Michael Jackson was going to be Spiderman, but he's out. He wanted to buy Marvel Comics with his money when Marvel was going off the rails of business. What a bummer.😂
What's really interesting is if you look at all 3 Spider-Men and their movies, we got almost all of his influences and ideas anyway. Almost everything is there spread out over every version instead of all in one film. And now we're at the point with Tom Holland where he's lost everything. Eventually they will have done all of his ideas as they keep making these movies.
Michael Bay would’ve had Heather Graham as Gwen Stacy and Denise Richards as MJ and they would’ve worn very revealing outfits.
You should totally do a video on the cancelled Nicholas cage superman movie
I can see why Sony dropped the pitch, for more reasons than just the family friendly thing
I think his idea had tons of potential to be honest but not as the first major Spiderman film. It would be cool however if they made one final Tobey film where they incorporate more gritty dark elements to it, kind of like what they did with Logan.
To be honest, I'm super glad this never happened. Sounds like something that would find it's audience today, where everyone praises nihilism over the moon, and Marvel jumps on every apportunity to destroy Peter Parker's life even more. This script seems like something that would open up with Peter's deal with Mefisto to cancel his marriage or something... Not the character to use it for. Maybe Spider-man noir or Ben Reilly...
Can't wait for some more Cutshort; you really make quality content! What's next
Cut short best TH-camr that talks about movies
1:28 what movie is this
Considering that by that time there was no live action Spiderman movie (or at least not a huge blockbuster one, as far as I know), his take was pretty bad. Today it's another story, since we had three Spidermen already in live action films.
Raimi's take was bad. Lacked execution, terrible script, and bad acting from a terribly miscast production.
@@youngblood4127 You might be taking superhero movies too seriously. They aren't flawless, but they are probably the most fun and entertaining superhero movies ever.
Awaiting the batgirl video💀