This Starter Changed Pokemon Platinum Speedruns Forever

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  • @PulseEffects
    @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +335

    🐒 or🐧?

  • @typemasters2871
    @typemasters2871 ปีที่แล้ว +644

    It would be cool if there was a gimmick category of “Turtwig starter glitchless” where the player has to pick Turtwig and has to keep Turtwig in their party at all times

    • @legoerofeggos
      @legoerofeggos ปีที่แล้ว +119

      There is, go to the category extensions for pokemon platinum on the leaderboard, and go to "alt main pokes," and there are a couple runs for torterra as the main pokemon.

    • @typemasters2871
      @typemasters2871 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@legoerofeggos nice, thanks for informing me

    • @dlrsnate5100
      @dlrsnate5100 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is turtwig so unviable that it is a gimmick to use ?

    • @MrDdeded
      @MrDdeded ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dlrsnate5100literally adds another turn to most battles because his speed is low. The opposing Pokémon will usually outspeed

    • @Saddiiii
      @Saddiiii ปีที่แล้ว

      Will you have to keep Turtwig or can you use Torterra?

  • @alexpotts6520
    @alexpotts6520 ปีที่แล้ว +344

    Bubble has *20* base power, it's honestly tragic for it. If Piplup learnt Water Gun instead there'd be no contest.

    • @plogplog207
      @plogplog207 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      or a special pluck alternative maybe even icy wind

    • @solitare4602
      @solitare4602 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@plogplog207 Do you mean the 40BP Gust? Or 55BP Air Cutter? 40BP Powder Snow? All of these moves are in Gen IV BTW. I don't know why Piplup can't learn these. It's stupid.
      This kind of thing is why Fire Types suck early in Gen V. They only get the 30BP Incinerate instead of 40BP Ember early on. Even the Victini that you can get super early in BW gets it's butt kicked early on because of Incinerate. 50BP Flame Charge doesn't help much either because by that point you need 60BP moves. It gets a little better with 75BP Flame Shot, but by that point you want to be using 80 to 100 BP moves.

  • @C4lmaria
    @C4lmaria ปีที่แล้ว +126

    0:54 love how "pachirisu" is one of the boss battles

    • @lucygirl1111
      @lucygirl1111 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      well he is the dragon slayer for a reason

    • @eltipidemalaguero
      @eltipidemalaguero 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He won a championship after all

  • @GamingWarlord64
    @GamingWarlord64 ปีที่แล้ว +1146

    If only it could be my boi!!!!!! but I understand he is very slow

    • @lulutheplayer4077
      @lulutheplayer4077 ปีที่แล้ว +164

      My favourite starter of all time is Turtwig. Really cute but unfortunately slow😅🌱🐢

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +194

      Just for Turtwig 😢✊️

    • @xaldrortenderofthevats8948
      @xaldrortenderofthevats8948 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Grass type gang

    • @Bruce_P-Z
      @Bruce_P-Z ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Rip turtwig

    • @naaga7932
      @naaga7932 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I pick turtwig cause I put the green first😤

  • @yoshiegg95
    @yoshiegg95 ปีที่แล้ว +531

    Can't wait for the suprise takeover of Torterra

    • @C4lmaria
      @C4lmaria ปีที่แล้ว +54

      My man cant even flee from wild encounters by itself

    • @alexbrown8900
      @alexbrown8900 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@C4lmaria buy repels and give him choice scarf. I call it

    • @C4lmaria
      @C4lmaria ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alexbrown8900 that takes time

    • @alexbrown8900
      @alexbrown8900 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@C4lmaria i was kidding anyways

    • @mykittystinksbad2
      @mykittystinksbad2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@C4lmaria My man? lmao what?

  • @All4Games4
    @All4Games4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Trust in monkey, monkey cares for your mental well being.
    Penguin wants you to experience endless anxiety.

  • @flamechomp5075
    @flamechomp5075 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    Crazy how much changes overtime, sure Chimchar starts off better in terms of speedrun strats, but doesn't finish off as strong. Piplup on the other hand certainly had the tougher early game (which thankfully is made easier through RNG manip) and thankfully has a strong finish, as an Empoleon especially with the choice specs which makes it insane with it's higher special attack.

    • @j.fischer707
      @j.fischer707 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thanks for summarizing the video I guess😅

  • @wilma_wessels
    @wilma_wessels ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Turtwig is the king of speedrunning in my heart. even if he's not in the race for it.

  • @88porpoise
    @88porpoise ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Wait, did I hear Werster sticking with his water type starter against the new challenger? I can't believe he would ever do such a thing.

  • @hitavi4965
    @hitavi4965 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    As someone whose always loved chimchar since I got it as my first ever pokemon back in platinum I love to see how it's on top, but honestly I think eventually that record is gonna fall to empoleon's surf in double battles

  • @Hidden_Fern
    @Hidden_Fern ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Really liked how you broke down the differences in the routes and why diff parts would take them longer or shorter, very interesting as always!

  • @TheAuraGuardian
    @TheAuraGuardian ปีที่แล้ว +39

    That's really cool Pulse, but did you know that you can beat Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl in under 15 minutes???

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No way that's crazy. 😱

  • @scoagogo
    @scoagogo ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Piplup has lost the battle, but the war is far from over. Piplup will dominate once more!

  • @piralos1329
    @piralos1329 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Super interesting and cool video, thank you for the insight into it!!
    Also, shout out to the gravity rush music. What a blast from the past. Still wish those games had had a better reception, and more love.

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Gravity Rush has a very special place in my heart. I'm at least glad it was ported from Vita to consoles! 🙏

  • @CinJyxxe
    @CinJyxxe ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I cannot even begin to express to you why I thought this video, which was a fantastic and well thought out analysis of Platinum speedrunning with a relatively serious tone, would end with you joking about Torterra being the best starter and leaving the question unanswered. But I was ready for it down to the cellular level.

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Man...I should have done this LOL

  • @-penta-1357
    @-penta-1357 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think the debate should be less about who's the fastest and instead focus more on who's the most consistent. If Chimchar is able to finish more runs, which in turn leads to a more healthy competition and helps improve the speedrun meta for the game, then I'm Team Monkey all the way.

  • @FAI_CW
    @FAI_CW ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Huh...heavy sunshine routes would be cool actually.
    Never gave that a thought before

  • @Condetg
    @Condetg ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Really interesting videos you are making. Thanks for the insight of pokémon speedrunning.

  • @minutosdesapercibidosesp-e4508
    @minutosdesapercibidosesp-e4508 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    ''B-but my Monkeh is stronk you just need to-''
    *''116 Surfs''*

  • @Thund3rDrag0n12
    @Thund3rDrag0n12 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is an interesting discussion. In my opinion, Chimchar is overall better due to the early game. The early game's the hardest part of most Pokemon games because the Pokemon and trainers are at a relatively similar power level to you compared to the late game where you're at a much higher level and have EVs. So I'd say having a good early game and late game is overall better than having a dicey early game and an excellent late game. It'd be interesting to see what it would be like if Infernape learned Heat Wave though

    • @nicolaistuhlmuller8718
      @nicolaistuhlmuller8718 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In a speedrun you're generally leveled far below your opponents, after all Empoleon finishes on level 67, a lower level than Cynthia's Garchomp. Kanto speedruns are even harder, you finish on level 53, 10 or even 12 levels beyond the rival's starter. As for what matters more, generally in the lategame opponents have huge teams while early on you're only facing trainers with one or two mons, so for a speedrun a better lategame often saves more time. However an unreliable part of a speedrun will always be annoying, but if the riskier route is faster, then it's the better one.

    • @DemonLordRaiden
      @DemonLordRaiden ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 Unless it's so risky that it's just not feasible. I'm certain someone will come along with a perfect Piplup time one of these days due to the nature of things, but unless you're pushing WRs, Chimchar run is better due to consistency. And that's assuming it can't also shave off time like the Piplup route can.

  • @Xaaaach
    @Xaaaach ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Well now someone needs to get the world record with Turtwig

  • @edra2005
    @edra2005 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Reminds me of the pokemon anime where chimchar steals food from piplup and they both fight and escape from Rowans lab while turtwig just continues eating

  • @metleon
    @metleon ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thumnail should have had Turtwig patting Piplup on the back like "It'll be ok."

  • @samelol8149
    @samelol8149 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I have always wondered what moves become viable if you keep move animations enabled(like a memerun theorycrafting)

    • @JZer0
      @JZer0 ปีที่แล้ว

      I FEEL like physicals are going to dominate as the specials are way flashier and slower. haven't tested this.

  • @chuuu4610
    @chuuu4610 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Don’t worry ma grass turtle summer child… I like you even if you’re slow.

  • @christopherballero866
    @christopherballero866 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Poor Turtwig not even in the running though I go with consistency over potentially better rates but luck dependent

  • @sandrobarreto7002
    @sandrobarreto7002 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    8:53 oscar-worthy evil laugh

  • @piyush1176
    @piyush1176 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For me it just seemed like Infernape with low sweep was all you needed to One shot anyone except ofc those who were immune to it.

  • @MattMorency
    @MattMorency ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The penguin emperor commands: execute level 66.

  • @KillerKill95
    @KillerKill95 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Would've been funny to add a little part for turtwig, saying something like "Oh we don't even mention Turtwig, with its awful world record of x:xx:xx"

  • @krisiverse
    @krisiverse ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Someone should submit a Piplup vs Chimchar race to GDQ

  • @BrittleBook326
    @BrittleBook326 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oh please, everyone knows the best starter is unquestionably Turtwig

  • @houraisheperd9721
    @houraisheperd9721 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like the Gravity Rush music in the background.

  • @romanfuchs1932
    @romanfuchs1932 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    8:50. Why, why were you so evil haha!

  • @Skel_fgc
    @Skel_fgc ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Truly a rough day for fellow Turtwig lovers

  • @Jugement
    @Jugement ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So basically high floor vs high ceiling

  • @worldsboss
    @worldsboss ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Or they could just use Turtwig and accept that they can't have nice things

  • @RegiMinecraftGuy
    @RegiMinecraftGuy ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can you do a video where you talk about the speed run Pokémon for each game. Some are unexpected; I’ve seen Nidoking for Red and Stoutland for Black and White. I want to know if there are any other unexpected ones

  • @oliverleonard7730
    @oliverleonard7730 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Be interesting to see how this changes with Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl.

  • @tho_tho
    @tho_tho ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Meanwhile as a Turtwig fan, it's sad to see how it gets screwed over so badly, Intimidate from Gyarados and the many Staravia, Bronzors and Bronzongs always defaulting to Levitate instead of Heatproof, no access to Rock Slide/Stone Edge until way later on to deal with flying mons, etc., even if it sweeps through the league and most gyms (besides Crusher Wake) without the tiniest of troubles. Really wish it was viable for speedruns, but even when it's not, it's still the starter I'll always pick!
    PS: It's Roark, you butchered the poor kid's name so many times lol

  • @daddyespressodepresso2207
    @daddyespressodepresso2207 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I find it very interesting that the Infernape route goes for a Physical Moveset. Sure maximizing that early Mach Punch damage might be great, but Infernape still has an equally good Special Atk stat and has access to a lot of great special moves as well, including a 95 base power Flamethrower and a 100BP Heat Wave that also hits both opponents in Doubles. It even gets Vaccum Wave in Platinum.
    Maybe a Special Set with Timid or Modest nature could be enough to make use of that Choice Specs in the late game and be able to avoid the time loss from the extra text from Flare Blitz and Close Combat. It would also increase the damage of Grass Knot

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It uses Grass Knot and Flamethrower quite a bit! The late game hardly needs special moves though.

    • @jansonshrock2859
      @jansonshrock2859 ปีที่แล้ว

      my belief is that most of Infernape's counters you see in platinum are weaker physically or weak to fighting moves, with the few exceptions (heavy ground types) being extra squishy to grass knot, which as you say could still work in a physical attacking infernape due to his mostly equal attack/spa stats. Additionally Infernape can learn earthquake through TM

    • @craftedite
      @craftedite ปีที่แล้ว +2

      None of these moves are viable for the speedrun:
      Flamethrower TM - Massive detour to Fuego ironworks to get
      Heat Wave - only available from a move tutor post game
      Vaccum Wave - Big timeloss collecting shards and going to move tutor (for a very low base power move)

  • @TCStink3
    @TCStink3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *GUYS! IT’S TCNICK3!*

  • @idontwantahandlethough
    @idontwantahandlethough ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro you have an _exceptional_ evil laugh

  • @evachado1008
    @evachado1008 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Its kinda poetic that piplup is harder cuz in the dex it says that piplup is hard to train.

  • @mrfixa7702
    @mrfixa7702 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good vid, this one alone deserves a sub

  • @mariogorgees3489
    @mariogorgees3489 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this war can easily be solved with a TAS

  • @Lokiip
    @Lokiip ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Chimchar chimchar chimchar chimchar

  • @lucygirl1111
    @lucygirl1111 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    it would have been very funny if it would have been said all these calculations and the best mon to speed run is turtwig XD

  • @SonCosmo
    @SonCosmo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love that chimp

  • @traba1023
    @traba1023 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This need to be settled at a gdq

    • @ultimapower6950
      @ultimapower6950 ปีที่แล้ว

      NO: it would better settled on ESA

  • @__thebadger
    @__thebadger 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel like if you can spend a minute or two getting the lucky egg, you can also spend a minute or two getting the earthquake tm for infernape, that can help with a lot of the double battles.

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

  • @renegaderaven3777
    @renegaderaven3777 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With no context I kinda just figured Chimchar would be better

  • @skyeschlueter9877
    @skyeschlueter9877 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's really funny to me that Chimchar finishes more runs but Piplup's runs are better.

  • @justsomeinternetguy560
    @justsomeinternetguy560 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Empoleon: Haha! I can learn surf, and you can’t! That’s an L for you!
    Infernape: Bibarel, surf.
    Bibarel: Ok.
    Empoleon: AAAAAAAAAAA-

  • @astridvalkyrie8458
    @astridvalkyrie8458 ปีที่แล้ว

    The irony of the precise speedrun being best done on the rng monkeh going ape xD

  • @Mr.Hellboi
    @Mr.Hellboi ปีที่แล้ว

    as soon as you evolve chimchar it learns mach punch and other moves that set you up for all your weaknesses

  • @ternel
    @ternel ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Reject penguin return to monkey

  • @driptcg
    @driptcg ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice video, editing

  • @user-AADZ
    @user-AADZ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:56 Roarick msm?! 💀

  • @corbinmoore96
    @corbinmoore96 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What about Torterra? c;

  • @autumnshinespark
    @autumnshinespark ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to do casual Diamond speedruns with Chimchar, but yeah Hidden Power let me challenge the first gym before evolving.

  • @mrfixa7702
    @mrfixa7702 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chimchar was insane, bug types couldnt handle the ember, monferno’s mach punch screwed up rock types hard, infernape was quick and had enough dmg

  • @cs7230
    @cs7230 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find it interesting that you use your starter throughout the entire game. Would have thought that maybe another mon you can catch at the start would be better.

  • @arashikage1292
    @arashikage1292 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I believe in the TCNation supremacy

  • @ChocoKayke
    @ChocoKayke ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My fellow Turtwig fans... If we put our heads together, we can overtake them.

  • @ramon2b2t
    @ramon2b2t ปีที่แล้ว

    ITS SO CRAZY THAT THE TIMES FOR BOTH MONS ARE 44 SECONDS APART

  • @bluenovacorgi8230
    @bluenovacorgi8230 ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss gen 5 sprites so bad 😭😭😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️ wish they would make a comeback....

  • @choengchilling
    @choengchilling ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally sinnoh speedruns😎🥰😍💪👌

  • @jismeraiverhoeven
    @jismeraiverhoeven ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Who is the best starter? Obviously turtwig 😂

  • @noonenothing3898
    @noonenothing3898 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *sad turtwig noises*

  • @BooHi
    @BooHi ปีที่แล้ว

    Meanwhile Turtwig speedrun is over 4 hours lol

  • @PhotonKingShark77
    @PhotonKingShark77 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I choose monkey

  • @MaikDreijer
    @MaikDreijer ปีที่แล้ว

    Monkey = fun Penguin = PLS RNGESUS
    Nah. I'm running Monkey bro.

  • @e7193
    @e7193 ปีที่แล้ว

    this guy has the exact same voice as hoopsandhiphop and papasea ☠️

  • @รัชชานนท์โสธรรมมงคล

    we might need to product TAS run of both starter to completed this answer

    • @nicolaistuhlmuller8718
      @nicolaistuhlmuller8718 ปีที่แล้ว

      In a TAS Piplup wins by far, but it's so incredibly unlikely that it pretty much won't be reproduced even remotely ever.

  • @typemasters2871
    @typemasters2871 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Infernape gang rise up

  • @whocaresaboutmyname2535
    @whocaresaboutmyname2535 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Poor TCNick3 Man...

  • @parkouremaster
    @parkouremaster ปีที่แล้ว

    I find funny how Grass starter it's the worst starter in every single speedrun

  • @AverageGamerGuyPlays
    @AverageGamerGuyPlays ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Platinum Race: Piplup vs Chimchar at GDQ coming up?

    • @nicolaistuhlmuller8718
      @nicolaistuhlmuller8718 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean if Piplup's main issue is that almost any run fails before it picks up then a live event may not be the best place for it.

    • @AverageGamerGuyPlays
      @AverageGamerGuyPlays ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 You’ve never seen a run with a backup cart?

  • @Cool-fr8dv
    @Cool-fr8dv ปีที่แล้ว

    Extremely common Piplup W

  • @Nelsito99
    @Nelsito99 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Would be interesting to see if the Japanese versions of these games pathing as the jpn pokemon platinum wr is faster than the eng wr so differences in language could be interesting to see and compare to eng runs of the same game

  • @LocalDiscordCatgirl
    @LocalDiscordCatgirl ปีที่แล้ว

    So, I’m always going to take the *one* fire pokemon evolution line of the generation over something I can replace by fishing. D/P/P had the Chimchar line and the Ponyta line. Those were the only fire pokemon of those games

  • @xSharpW
    @xSharpW ปีที่แล้ว

    About 1/3 into the video. It seems like overall Piplup *is* better than Chimchar...for speed...however Chimchar beats the crap out of Piplup with consistency and a more overall fun run, but if we're talking about speed, if Piplup was as consistent as Chimchar, it'd probably have a much faster time because more people would be finishing good runs.

  • @CovalentNetworkSolid
    @CovalentNetworkSolid ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder how much the difference in record comes down to number of runs finished since early game is so miserable for the penguin

  • @genehom7147
    @genehom7147 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    choosing chimchar solves the problem

  • @Roseyfinchartworks
    @Roseyfinchartworks ปีที่แล้ว

    Heart eyes 😍 for the Mass effect instrumental you have my heart AND my attention

  • @Boonetube27
    @Boonetube27 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Piplup all the way. I have always LOVED Piplup, had a cute card of it before I lost it, and I always think of it, so adorable.

  • @Sleepingfishie
    @Sleepingfishie ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the best video yet

  • @deazee2288
    @deazee2288 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Reject penguin
    Embrace monke

    • @ricardolopez720
      @ricardolopez720 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Penguin won it all
      Werster the goat put respect on my boi 💯

  • @cj_skywalker
    @cj_skywalker ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Getting a perfect speedrun is impossible as Scott's Thoughts shows: Pokemon is all RNG and therefore every time you do a speedrun or solo challenge the chance of ending your run with a wipe are extremely high. :(

  • @leotrollstoy2351
    @leotrollstoy2351 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So it seems like the way to make a determination is to do two separate tas

  • @cuteygooki
    @cuteygooki ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love Empoleon

  • @certified_biscuit
    @certified_biscuit หลายเดือนก่อน

    so we aint gonna talk abt odds of lucky egg lmao

  • @gaminggoddess85
    @gaminggoddess85 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Roark" is really hard to say, huh

  • @flamefox0926
    @flamefox0926 ปีที่แล้ว

    POV; Me a turtwig enjoyer in pokemon platinum because I like smell of plants

  • @vinny4765
    @vinny4765 ปีที่แล้ว

    We still use Piplup for post game runs though, right? I don't actually remember.

  • @NexusVFD
    @NexusVFD ปีที่แล้ว

    They need to rename glitchless runs into rng runs

  • @mineyvoid1308
    @mineyvoid1308 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the turtle.