I think the zero relationship between IQ and industriousness is because higher IQ, everything is easier from early age. I have a 145 IQ and school was a walk in the park for me until I was 18. When I entered a top college it was the first time in my life when I was presented information with such complexity that I didnt understand the concepts right away. I had NEVER studied in my life. Thats a huge disadvatage because all other students had to study since middleschool maybe or before, so I needed to start studing and coping with the process of learning through patience. If you need to learn how to learn as an adult, believe me, motivation is zero. So the intelligence awareness of planning is mitigated by this I believe.
The presentation of facts about I.Q. will always get people ducking, diving, denying, and searching for alternative explanations. Anything to avoid acknowledging that I.Q. tests accurately measure a human trait that correlates highly with various life outcomes. They don’t like fever, so they blame the thermometer.
Trust me. When I first read this comment, I didn't think much of it. But as I progressed through this self-delusion filled heaping pile of comments. I realised this describes the comment section. Everyone. Just coping. So sad.
@@scottjackson163 TH-cam hates and censors most videos and comments related to IQ. But you only have to go back to the 1990s to find open and honest discussions about IQ differences.
@@baruchben-david4196 IQ is basically a test of mental speed, i.e., how fast can you read, process, and memorize information. And IQ is the best predictor of a wide range of measures of success in life, including income, wealth, academics, even longevity, the smarter you are, the longer you're likely to live. It's not just self-referential.
I'd argue that personality is a function of intelligence. The personality of someone whose IQ drops significantly (due to a brain injury for example) can be altered significantly. So we're still left with the question of why high IQ =/= industriousness. Perhaps it's linked more to upbringing, and habits developed (and encouraged) in early life.
It's not that intelligent people don't find things disgusting, it's just that they don't react dramatically to it. Yeah, it's disgusting, so what? Tell me something interesting.
I would theorize that more complex ideas are easier to access and more interesting for high IQ individuals relative to everyday life, more than might be average.... Finding informative complex videos like this one more interesting and potentially compelling than everything else, and being more likely to "waste time" thinking about and consuming that info.
I like this Peterson, he's incredibly well turned out, wonderfully preened, sort of like a wonderful bird, an exotic bird, the sort of bird an Emperor might have in his botanical garden.
High IQ doesn't guarantee one will become industrious. Suppose an individual got through school with all 'As' and hardly ever cracking a book. He might assume the real world will reinforce laziness the same way as the academic one. Therein lies his downfall.
Getting through school with all A’s is not evidence for a high IQ. It only means you can study well in a system developed for mediocrity. Einstein performed poorly in school. If you assume laziness is rewarded in real life, you’re not a genius, you’re an idiot. Efficiency on the other hand is rewarding, I earn twice the average income performing half the hours of a medium IQ person.
The three best indicators to be "healthy, wealthy, and wise" are conscientiousness, IQ, and being raised by both biological parents. I got lucky being 2 standard deviations above the mean for all 3. It has resulted in having a very easy pleasant life. I know that there is nothing that I have done to deserve this I was born into it. Life is not fair.
Do you have any research or study that actually backs this up? I'm not even disagreeing. I think they matter quite a lot, but the "best" indicators? I'm gonna need some sort of supporting source, if you don't mind. How do you even quantify conscientiousness? 😭 And what do you mean you're two standard deviations above the mean for being raised by both parents? You either are raised by both parents, or you're not. (💀🤦🏻♀️)
No. A high IQ person succeeds in life because they're smart. Period. They have a better capacity to solve problems, process and manipulate information. And they tend to accumulate information better. While it's closely related to the trait openness, the success related to high IQ is credited to other factors far more than just being open.
Imaging having had Dr. Jordan Peterson as your teacher before that woke ass university kicked him out for being too "radical" aka having a different opinion than being leftist and woke (had an awful time on university because of that too; it's like they only hire woke professors. Sometimes they would made fun of non-woke people, aka radical people in their minds, but if you did say something normal about not agreeing with something woke you'd get in trouble for being "radical"). I think God had more in store for this man than to be just a professor/clinical psychologist). He opened the eyes of millions of people in all kinds of positive ways. Thank God he survived his benzodiazepine addiction.
An baseless assumption. Exactly how mediocre people think to make them feel better about themselves. If I had to choose between being a tormented philosopher or scientist or an always laughing, gullible moron, I go for option number one without hesitation. Everybody suffers in life at some point, everybody.
@@guydegroof2217 Female. First degree in philosophy (though I reject the tortured affix). IQ 168. I’m neither trying to self sooth nor am I making assumptions. I’m speaking from experience. Peterson’s observation holds for 120/130 range but not for outliers. Problem is we have to work with the 120s who think they’re oh so very clever. And we often see things differently. Worse, we’re often proved right. And that is unforgivable. Anything past 140 is not only unnecessary but at times even a handicap.
@@shelleyscloud3651 You talk a lot but provide absolutely no reasoning whatsoever. How about you actually back your conclusion with their antecedent premises? And you claim you have a degree in philosophy.
What does industriousness have to do with IQ? Industriousness is a trait not correlated with IQ, AT ALL. I cannot see where you're coming from at all. To achieve high level success in any endeavour requires a combination of IQ, fluency and conscientiousness.
IQ is a predictor of health?? 37% of people with a very high IQ are depressed, health as in not being obese, etc yes , I would agree, but extreme intelligence seems to being linked with depression, and bad overall mental health, due to not being able to relate with others, and not being challenged probably intellectually in life. I think being somewhat gifted IQ wise, could help you in school and your career and social life, but it can be harmful if you're in the extremes of IQ, such as Bobby Fischer, or Nikola Tesla, who were both known to be quite weird, and not have a good social life.
Tesla was a gift to technology advancement I think his IQ was like 165 he checked out of society very young became a recluse aside from business and some friends even died a virgin I couldn't do that😂 mine is 142 I'm able to maintain social relationships and get women here and there regularly without too much effort just socially draining if too much I need my alone time
most people judge high IQ with the size of their wallet, obviously it is a factor but not always, good thing is i don't have a high IQ cause there is alot already going on up their so don't need to over analyze more, ty for that
If a person took a test to find out his or her I Q, and the person failed the test ... would that mean that the person who failed the test should be labeled for the rest of life as being dumb? White supremacists were satisfied that (Negroes) were dumb ... yet, when the black race was able to study the white man's ways ... those black men and women became judges and lawyers and doctors, et cetera, and beat the white supremacists at their own game of supposed superior intellects. I Q tests are fraudulent information, and should never be trusted, and neither should the people be trusted who promote those scams.
@@funnyvidstoday101 The people giving the tests are the only ones that know which questions they are going to ask. Can you imagine being raised in a totally different culture, as were the Native Indians, and then trying to answer question asked by the white settlers that came from Europe? Had the Natives asked those settlers questions from their Native culture, the white settlers would have failed ... period. The tests are nonsense. Lol … high IQ promises ... from the book … THE BODY … A GUIDE FOR OCCUPANTS … author … BILL BRYSON … Published 2019. … The most interesting experiment involving sperm was almost certainly that undertaken by Robert Klark Graham (1906-97), a California businessman who made a fortune manufacturing shatterproof lenses for eyeglasses and then in 1980 founded the Repository for Germinal Choice, a sperm bank that promised to stock the sperm only of Nobel laureates and others of exceptional intellectual stature. (Graham modestly included himself among the select worthies.) The idea was to help women produce babies of genius by giving them the very best sperm modern science could provide. Some two hundred children were born as a result of the bank’s efforts, though none, it seems, proved to be an outstanding genius or even an accomplished eyeglass engineer. The bank closed in 1999, two years after the death of its founder, and, all in all, does not seem to have been greatly missed.
@@alexaninambv1618 I suggest that Jordan is not so clever as he thinks, especially when he has all those Christian followers, yet will not admit to the belief that Jesus is his personal savior. He preaches the Christian religion as being honorable ... but he keeps dangling that carrot by not going all the way. Christians will eventually catch on to his antics and will grasp the truth ... that if his millions of Christian followers stop following ... Jordan's fame and fortune will disappear ... as does the mist after a refreshing rain.
@jamesbrent Getting A-levels in school doesn’t mean you have a high IQ, it means you studied well in a system developed for mediocrity. Einstein performed poorly in school. If you think laziness is rewarded in life you’re not a genius, you’re an idiot. Efficiency and excellence on the other hand are rewarded.
Einstein did NOT perform poorly in school. He actually did pretty well in subjects he was interested in. There's some speculation he may have dyslexia, but it's not confirmed so I won't assert that point. The truth is, getting higher grades is FAIR and GOOD predictor of IQ. If you're studying.
"Getting A-levels in school doesn’t mean you have a high IQ, it means you studied well in a system developed for mediocrity." Can you walk me through the empirical and evidence driven thought process that you used to arrive at that sentence ? Because you obviously didn't just make this up right ? Right ?
So he’s basically saying there is no more basis in the testing for IQ than what we perceive about those having tested higher or lower on IQ tests… Luck! Divinity! Strikes of Lightning! Entitlement! No none of those matter either. Money flows, comes and goes, to some but not those… Boats and Hoes!
I know possibilities of me commenting here and you seeing my comment which makes it even more rarer or less possible but my iq is extremely high 220 beyond current iq scale and its terrible experience for me having high iq is not that good eventually everything comes to an end
His point of view is controversial whereas it's somehow narrow-minded.. There might be plenty of highly intelligent individuals but haven't discovered their potential yet due to poor luck. IQ is not a solely factor for success, prosperity or health. Besides, I wouldn't know what IQ has got to do with one's health either. You could have a high IQ but still suffer from a chronic disease. There is no such thing as ''Health Quotient''. Does he even tell the truth or fool us? I have never heard of a such radical viewpoint about someone's IQ. So does that mean when you have an average IQ, should you surrender to a 9 to 5 job and waste 45 years of your life? Will that determine your worth, health, success? No, absolutely not. Life is full of endless possibilities and you can still achieve a high degree, a prosperous life and so on by working hard. YOU ARE capable off understanding things. All you need is passion and motivation. No matter how high your IQ is, you still have to work towards your goals and even harder. He portrays a high IQ as a superhuman power.... Like... I am actually astounded yet very shocked: -Bearing disgust -Immune to PTSD -Cancer free And there is also.. ''to be a lion'' (which means be dominant and assertive)..... that only depends on the circumstances or else you'll put yourself in trouble. Ever since he gave an absurd opinion on the palestine and israeli conflict with: "Give em hell" ; I started to loathe his whole attitude. Go and read more about such topics. Use multiple sources of knowledge. He is not the only psychiatrist/psychologist in the world like an omniscient. That's what happens if you only rely on a single source of knowledge about something... or him.
- "IQ is not the sole factor for success, prosperity and health" NO ONE EVER SAID THAT. CAN YOU COMPREHEND? - "There is no such thing as ‘Healthy Quotient.’ " Yes. Just like there's no such thing as "openness quotient" but it is correlated with IQ. A high IQ is correlated with health. - "Does he even tell the truth or fool us?" Anyone with an iota of intellect can validate the information he provides. Just because you wanna cope with having subpar cognition doesn't mean the facts he provides are incorrect. The rest of your comment is just pure cope. No one said IQ is the sole predictor of success. Conscientiousness, openness, disagreeableness and all other personality traits are correlated with success. In colloquial terms, how hardworking, confident and stress tolerant you are also influence your success rate. - "No matter how high your IQ is, you still have to work towards your goal and even harder." I have a feeling you cannot comprehend English. - "He portrays IQ as a superhuman power." It kind of is. Comparing someone with an IQ of 80 to someone with an IQ of 140 is like comparing a child with a well educated fully developed adult. People with high IQ are MUCH more efficient problem solvers. They learn stuff FAR quicker. To give you an idea, a person with an IQ of 180 has the potential to do a high college course in less than a year. A person with an IQ of 90 might NEVER. - "Ever since he gave an absurd opinion on Palestine and Israel, I have begun to hate his attitude." You clearly don't know what JP meant by that "Give em hell" comment. Go out there and ACTUALLY find out. Because he has cleared what he meant. You're also committing the circumstantial ad hominem fallacy. In essence, your argument structure is incorrect. - "Go and read more about such topics. Use multiple sources of knowledge." Take your own advice. You're the clearly the less-than-knowledgeable bloke here.
@@factorousfactorous3522 I remember I commented here. It seems it got deleted. Essentially, I wrote an essay completely dismantling this guy's stupid argument.
@@weirdchannel4428 - "IQ is not the sole factor for success, prosperity and health" NO ONE EVER SAID THAT. - "There is no such thing as ‘Healthy Quotient.’ " Yes. Just like there's no such thing as "openness quotient" but it is correlated with IQ. A high IQ seems to be correlated with health. - "Does he even tell the truth or fool us?" Anyone with an iota of intellect can validate the information he provides. Just because you wanna cope with having subpar cognition doesn't mean the facts he provides are incorrect. The rest of your comment is just pure cope. No one said IQ is the sole predictor of success. Conscientiousness, openness, disagreeableness and all other personality traits are correlated with success. In colloquial terms, how hardworking, confident and stress tolerant you are also influence your success rate. - "No matter how high your IQ is, you still have to work towards your goal and even harder." I have a feeling you have a severe problem in Verbal Comprehension - "He portrays IQ as a superhuman power." It kind of is. Comparing someone with an IQ of 80 to someone with an IQ of 140 is like comparing a child with a well educated fully developed adult. People with high IQ are MUCH more efficient problem solvers. They learn stuff FAR quicker. To give you an idea, a person with an IQ of 180 has the potential to do a high college course in well less than a year. A person with an IQ of 90 might NEVER. - "Ever since he gave an absurd opinion on Palestine and Israel, I have begun to hate his attitude." You clearly don't know what JP meant by that "Give em hell" comment. Go out there and ACTUALLY find out. Because he has cleared what he meant. You're also committing the circumstantial ad hominem fallacy. In essence, your argument structure is incorrect. - "Go and read more about such topics. Use multiple sources of knowledge." Take your own advice. You're the clearly the less-than-knowledgeable bloke here.
When someone openly states their IQ in public it's pretty safe to assume they are significantly exaggerating their IQ score. Real geniuses don't go around bragging about how smart they are, unless they have some mental issues. Jordan openly claims his IQ is 150. I challenge Jordan to take a very public IQ test issued by a professional with no skin in the game. Based on his need to quickly resort to nonsensical word salads when arguing with or debating someone, I guessing his IQ is around 110 or so...slightly higher than average.
I fully agree with your comment about real geniuses not needing to brag about their IQ. But I disagree with your assessment of Dr. Jordan Peterson. In all the videos I've watched of him, I have only once heard him mention his IQ being north of 150, according to an official test, and only because he was ASKED about it. And he answered candidly, but with a sense of humor - indicating an understanding that proclaiming one's IQ is indeed not all that important for someone who has better things to talk about. He has also been open about which type of intelligence he is weaker at. The IQ of 110 that you're suggesting is far too low. People with an IQ of 110 cannot analyze the way he does (especially conceptually). Just being a professor already typically means being closer to 130. His IQ being 150+ sounds spot on for him. He does NOT "resort to nonsensical word salads" to look smart, as people who are insecure about their IQ might. This analysis of yours is much more suited to a pseudo-intellectual like Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Peterson, on the other hand, is well-read so he has a large and jargon-rich vocabulary, but he also uses a great deal of logic in his analyses, built up step-by-step., with pauses taken in between to really think about his answers. While I mostly agree with Peterson's viewpoints, I don't agree with ever single thing he says, but I can always appreciate the logic he expresses on the way to his conclusions.
I fully agree with your comment about real geniuses not needing to brag about their IQ. But I disagree with your assessment of Dr. Jordan Peterson. In all the videos I've watched of him, I have only once heard him mention his IQ being north of 150, according to an official test, and only because he was ASKED about it. And he answered candidly, but with a sense of humor - indicating an understanding that proclaiming one's IQ is indeed not all that important for someone who has better things to talk about. He has also been open about which type of intelligence he is weaker at. The IQ of 110 that you're suggesting is far too low. People with an IQ of 110 cannot analyze the way he does (especially conceptually). Just being a professor already typically means being closer to 130. His IQ being 150+ sounds spot on for him. He does NOT "resort to nonsensical word salads" to look smart, as people who are insecure about their IQ might. This analysis of yours is much more suited to a pseudo-intellectual like Neil DGT. Peterson, on the other hand, is well-read so he has a large and jargon-rich vocabulary, but he also uses a great deal of logic in his analyses, built up step-by-step., with pauses taken in between to really think about his answers. While I mostly agree with Peterson's viewpoints, I don't agree with ever single thing he says, but I can always appreciate the logic he expresses on the way to his conclusions.
You can bet that Jordan thinks he has a very high intelligence quotient. “I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous. He wanted to establish a church, he said, in which he would preach every Sunday.” Author … Bernard Schiff … professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Toronto.
That’s the first thing I thought when I heard this guy lol,you can just tell he thinks he’s a super intelligent guy. It’s probably why he likes to compare high IQ and low IQ people, and say all these amazing things about high IQ people and how they can do all these things better, because he probably thinks all those things apply to himself. Actually he probably wouldn’t even be doing all these high IQ talks about being super intelligent an shit if he didn’t think he had one. 😂
Years ago, I read a book that was written by a man whose brother was told that he had a low IQ. I don't remember the title of the book, or the exact words, but I do remember the gist of the quote by the brother who was labeled as having a low IQ, and it went somewhat as follows ... "Because of what we don't know, we are all dumb."
You do realize that there's a host of propaganda to make Dr. Jordan Peterson look like something he's not? Especially from the University of Toronto. Because he actually thinks and has views which challenge the corrupt and failing systems. Furthermore, he doesn't THINK he has a very high IQ - he factually does. He's not trying to pretend he's intelligent, he IS actually intelligent, and it just shows naturally, he's not trying to flaunt it.
Utter nonsense. Wealth gives you access to resources that poor people never have. Unless you're suggesting a middle class person gets access to wealth or iq in which case take iq you're already doing ok if you are middle class and have access to enough resources to make something of yourself. Being born in actual poverty though? Not a chance in hell would I choose iq over wealth because I know exactly how it turns out and it does not turn out well
By “better off” I don’t think he means just wealth. People assume that whenever someone says “better off” or “successful” that they are talking about materialistic possessions. Think about someone born into wealth. By the age of 40, they might not feel like they have a purpose compared to someone who was born into the middle class but is very intelligent.
@TheEc1ypse wealth leaves you better off than IQ. Wealth gives you safety, iq does not. Wealth gives you resources, iq does not. Wealth gives you opportunities that iq alone will not. If you're middle class then yes iq is better than being wealthier than middle class but if you are living in poverty you use 100% of your energy staying safe. Iq alone will not get you out of that you need money. Poor people don't have access to education unless they are insanely lucky in a variety of areas in their life. Getting out of poverty is profoundly difficult no matter how smart you are
Again, wealth is not everything. I'd rather be "getting by" with a loving family than wealthy with no one. If I can get both great but if I had to choose I wouldn't choose wealth. When your on your death bed, your regrets won't be of not making enough money, they'll be of not investing more into your relationships.
@TheEc1ypse you're assuming that poor people have loving families. You talk like someone who has never lived real poverty. It's easy to romanticise when you have never experienced it. Most people living in poverty don't have idealised families because those families are living in survival mode.
@TheEc1ypse if you think getting by is middle class then yeah getting by to poor people is matter of survival. You have no idea what you are talking about
I think the zero relationship between IQ and industriousness is because higher IQ, everything is easier from early age. I have a 145 IQ and school was a walk in the park for me until I was 18. When I entered a top college it was the first time in my life when I was presented information with such complexity that I didnt understand the concepts right away. I had NEVER studied in my life. Thats a huge disadvatage because all other students had to study since middleschool maybe or before, so I needed to start studing and coping with the process of learning through patience. If you need to learn how to learn as an adult, believe me, motivation is zero. So the intelligence awareness of planning is mitigated by this I believe.
I concur
@@theundertaker5963I conquer two!
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The presentation of facts about I.Q. will always get people ducking, diving, denying, and searching for alternative explanations. Anything to avoid acknowledging that I.Q. tests accurately measure a human trait that correlates highly with various life outcomes. They don’t like fever, so they blame the thermometer.
Trust me. When I first read this comment, I didn't think much of it. But as I progressed through this self-delusion filled heaping pile of comments. I realised this describes the comment section. Everyone. Just coping. So sad.
@@scottjackson163 TH-cam hates and censors most videos and comments related to IQ. But you only have to go back to the 1990s to find open and honest discussions about IQ differences.
Seems to me that IQ tests show how well people do on IQ tests.
@@baruchben-david4196 IQ is basically a test of mental speed, i.e., how fast can you read, process, and memorize information. And IQ is the best predictor of a wide range of measures of success in life, including income, wealth, academics, even longevity, the smarter you are, the longer you're likely to live. It's not just self-referential.
@@baruchben-david4196 Ah and you're an expert on cognitive psychology 🤣
I think being industrious is more relative to someones personality characteristics than it is their intelligence
I'd argue that personality is a function of intelligence.
The personality of someone whose IQ drops significantly (due to a brain injury for example) can be altered significantly.
So we're still left with the question of why high IQ =/= industriousness.
Perhaps it's linked more to upbringing, and habits developed (and encouraged) in early life.
I would trade 20 IQ points for having had parents who loved me.
Having a high IQ let's you bootstrap out of bad parent situations.
@@user-ph2jf4ji1j Not there yet.
@@user-ph2jf4ji1j ABSOLUTELY TRUE
You think you have The extra 20 don't you.
That's mean, don't you think?
It's not that intelligent people don't find things disgusting, it's just that they don't react dramatically to it. Yeah, it's disgusting, so what? Tell me something interesting.
So many armchair psychologists in the comment section putting out statements that they cannot prove.
We’re entertained by our own thoughts so don’t feel as compelled to achieve in the outside world?
I would theorize that more complex ideas are easier to access and more interesting for high IQ individuals relative to everyday life, more than might be average.... Finding informative complex videos like this one more interesting and potentially compelling than everything else, and being more likely to "waste time" thinking about and consuming that info.
I like this Peterson, he's incredibly well turned out, wonderfully preened, sort of like a wonderful bird, an exotic bird, the sort of bird an Emperor might have in his botanical garden.
What makes people industrious, ambition? Is that wrong? Why is that so not-well known? I’m confused 😂
High IQ doesn't guarantee one will become industrious. Suppose an individual got through school with all 'As' and hardly ever cracking a book. He might assume the real world will reinforce laziness the same way as the academic one. Therein lies his downfall.
Getting through school with all A’s is not evidence for a high IQ. It only means you can study well in a system developed for mediocrity.
Einstein performed poorly in school.
If you assume laziness is rewarded in real life, you’re not a genius, you’re an idiot.
Efficiency on the other hand is rewarding, I earn twice the average income performing half the hours of a medium IQ person.
Sounds like a cope, not gonna lie.
The three best indicators to be "healthy, wealthy, and wise" are conscientiousness, IQ, and being raised by both biological parents. I got lucky being 2 standard deviations above the mean for all 3. It has resulted in having a very easy pleasant life. I know that there is nothing that I have done to deserve this I was born into it. Life is not fair.
Do you have any research or study that actually backs this up? I'm not even disagreeing. I think they matter quite a lot, but the "best" indicators? I'm gonna need some sort of supporting source, if you don't mind.
How do you even quantify conscientiousness? 😭 And what do you mean you're two standard deviations above the mean for being raised by both parents? You either are raised by both parents, or you're not. (💀🤦🏻♀️)
And what to you do for a living?
@@jabusenb Retired. Microbiologist ten years, Chemist 20 years, now play with puppies.
@@LiquidsQ34 ; Hi liquids. The Lewis Terman experiments.
I think because they are more open to all opinions, even if they are disgusting
No. A high IQ person succeeds in life because they're smart. Period. They have a better capacity to solve problems, process and manipulate information. And they tend to accumulate information better.
While it's closely related to the trait openness, the success related to high IQ is credited to other factors far more than just being open.
What is the background song?
Imaging having had Dr. Jordan Peterson as your teacher before that woke ass university kicked him out for being too "radical" aka having a different opinion than being leftist and woke (had an awful time on university because of that too; it's like they only hire woke professors. Sometimes they would made fun of non-woke people, aka radical people in their minds, but if you did say something normal about not agreeing with something woke you'd get in trouble for being "radical"). I think God had more in store for this man than to be just a professor/clinical psychologist). He opened the eyes of millions of people in all kinds of positive ways. Thank God he survived his benzodiazepine addiction.
Yea. Not so sure the outcomes are so great for those with REALLY high IQs…
An baseless assumption. Exactly how mediocre people think to make them feel better about themselves.
If I had to choose between being a tormented philosopher or scientist or an always laughing, gullible moron, I go for option number one without hesitation.
Everybody suffers in life at some point, everybody.
@@guydegroof2217 Female. First degree in philosophy (though I reject the tortured affix). IQ 168. I’m neither trying to self sooth nor am
I making assumptions. I’m speaking from experience. Peterson’s observation holds for 120/130 range but not for outliers. Problem is we have to work with the 120s who think they’re oh so very clever. And we often see things differently. Worse, we’re often proved right. And that is unforgivable.
Anything past 140 is not only unnecessary but at times even a handicap.
@@shelleyscloud3651 You talk a lot but provide absolutely no reasoning whatsoever. How about you actually back your conclusion with their antecedent premises? And you claim you have a degree in philosophy.
It’s when you combined high IQ with focus that you can gain amazing industriousness.
What does industriousness have to do with IQ? Industriousness is a trait not correlated with IQ, AT ALL. I cannot see where you're coming from at all.
To achieve high level success in any endeavour requires a combination of IQ, fluency and conscientiousness.
Alzheimer is genetic, some old people don’t degrade their intelligence as much as Alzheimer patients.
IQ is a predictor of health?? 37% of people with a very high IQ are depressed, health as in not being obese, etc yes , I would agree, but extreme intelligence seems to being linked with depression, and bad overall mental health, due to not being able to relate with others, and not being challenged probably intellectually in life. I think being somewhat gifted IQ wise, could help you in school and your career and social life, but it can be harmful if you're in the extremes of IQ, such as Bobby Fischer, or Nikola Tesla, who were both known to be quite weird, and not have a good social life.
He means obesity. Absolutely though mental illness and intelligence are related.
37% of people with very high IQ are depressed? Where do you get that specific number?
Tesla was a gift to technology advancement I think his IQ was like 165 he checked out of society very young became a recluse aside from business and some friends even died a virgin
I couldn't do that😂 mine is 142 I'm able to maintain social relationships and get women here and there regularly without too much effort just socially draining if too much I need my alone time
I think its creativity and personality.
Creativity yes, personality no
What you think is not what's necessarily true.
@@rCrypto_Frog4148 Absolutely personality is correlated with success. Why'd you say otherwise?
According to his predictor of IQ I'm pretty Low on that scale. 😮
most people judge high IQ with the size of their wallet, obviously it is a factor but not always, good thing is i don't have a high IQ cause there is alot already going on up their so don't need to over analyze more, ty for that
If a person took a test to find out his or her I Q, and the person failed the test ... would that mean that the person who failed the test should be labeled for the rest of life as being dumb?
White supremacists were satisfied that (Negroes) were dumb ... yet, when the black race was able to study the white man's ways ... those black men and women became judges and lawyers and doctors, et cetera, and beat the white supremacists at their own game of supposed superior intellects.
I Q tests are fraudulent information, and should never be trusted, and neither should the people be trusted who promote those scams.
@@junevandermark952 it depends on the person who believes that a test will give you the results that you already know
@@funnyvidstoday101 The people giving the tests are the only ones that know which questions they are going to ask.
Can you imagine being raised in a totally different culture, as were the Native Indians, and then trying to answer question asked by the white settlers that came from Europe?
Had the Natives asked those settlers questions from their Native culture, the white settlers would have failed ... period.
The tests are nonsense.
Lol … high IQ promises ... from the book … THE BODY … A GUIDE FOR OCCUPANTS … author … BILL BRYSON … Published 2019. … The most interesting experiment involving sperm was almost certainly that undertaken by Robert Klark Graham (1906-97), a California businessman who made a fortune manufacturing shatterproof lenses for eyeglasses and then in 1980 founded the Repository for Germinal Choice, a sperm bank that promised to stock the sperm only of Nobel laureates and others of exceptional intellectual stature. (Graham modestly included himself among the select worthies.) The idea was to help women produce babies of genius by giving them the very best sperm modern science could provide. Some two hundred children were born as a result of the bank’s efforts, though none, it seems, proved to be an outstanding genius or even an accomplished eyeglass engineer. The bank closed in 1999, two years after the death of its founder, and, all in all, does not seem to have been greatly missed.
I think is more about being clever not intellect
@@alexaninambv1618 I suggest that Jordan is not so clever as he thinks, especially when he has all those Christian followers, yet will not admit to the belief that Jesus is his personal savior.
He preaches the Christian religion as being honorable ... but he keeps dangling that carrot by not going all the way.
Christians will eventually catch on to his antics and will grasp the truth ... that if his millions of Christian followers stop following ... Jordan's fame and fortune will disappear ... as does the mist after a refreshing rain.
@jamesbrent
Getting A-levels in school doesn’t mean you have a high IQ, it means you studied well in a system developed for mediocrity.
Einstein performed poorly in school.
If you think laziness is rewarded in life you’re not a genius, you’re an idiot.
Efficiency and excellence on the other hand are rewarded.
Einstein did NOT perform poorly in school. He actually did pretty well in subjects he was interested in.
There's some speculation he may have dyslexia, but it's not confirmed so I won't assert that point.
The truth is, getting higher grades is FAIR and GOOD predictor of IQ. If you're studying.
"Getting A-levels in school doesn’t mean you have a high IQ, it means you studied well in a system developed for mediocrity." Can you walk me through the empirical and evidence driven thought process that you used to arrive at that sentence ? Because you obviously didn't just make this up right ? Right ?
How to tell how much is my IQ?
There are a bevy of free & paid IQ tests online.
Test it out. SBV or WAIS. There are many IQ tests but I personally recommend SBV.
AGCT and SAT also have a high g loading.
Basically don't break the 10 commandments.
So he’s basically saying there is no more basis in the testing for IQ than what we perceive about those having tested higher or lower on IQ tests… Luck! Divinity! Strikes of Lightning! Entitlement! No none of those matter either. Money flows, comes and goes, to some but not those… Boats and Hoes!
I know possibilities of me commenting here and you seeing my comment which makes it even more rarer or less possible but my iq is extremely high 220 beyond current iq scale and its terrible experience for me having high iq is not that good eventually everything comes to an end
Why do you think it’s so high
@Dizzy-4 I don't think so
@Dizzy-4 😱😱😱😱😱😱
im beleive u sir ❤️🙋🏻♀️
No you do not have an IQ of 220.
The pictures dont match and are not relevant.
Has nothing to do with size of the head🙄
The correlation is small, but positive. I noticed going to law school that a lot of lawyers have really big heads.
@@anonygent lawyers are nowhere near the top of IQ curve.
@@anonygent I'd like to think this was a subtle joke lmao
@@anonygent LMAO.
I have such a big head, that's my two cents to the conversation
They scanned by brain in tgexhosptal I was asleep..MIR
I guess I’m stupid then
His point of view is controversial whereas it's somehow narrow-minded.. There might be plenty of highly intelligent individuals but haven't discovered their potential yet due to poor luck. IQ is not a solely factor for success, prosperity or health. Besides, I wouldn't know what IQ has got to do with one's health either. You could have a high IQ but still suffer from a chronic disease. There is no such thing as ''Health Quotient''.
Does he even tell the truth or fool us? I have never heard of a such radical viewpoint about someone's IQ. So does that mean when you have an average IQ, should you surrender to a 9 to 5 job and waste 45 years of your life? Will that determine your worth, health, success? No, absolutely not. Life is full of endless possibilities and you can still achieve a high degree, a prosperous life and so on by working hard. YOU ARE capable off understanding things. All you need is passion and motivation.
No matter how high your IQ is, you still have to work towards your goals and even harder. He portrays a high IQ as a superhuman power.... Like... I am actually astounded yet very shocked:
-Bearing disgust
-Immune to PTSD
-Cancer free
And there is also.. ''to be a lion'' (which means be dominant and assertive)..... that only depends on the circumstances or else you'll put yourself in trouble. Ever since he gave an absurd opinion on the palestine and israeli conflict with: "Give em hell" ; I started to loathe his whole attitude. Go and read more about such topics. Use multiple sources of knowledge. He is not the only psychiatrist/psychologist in the world like an omniscient. That's what happens if you only rely on a single source of knowledge about something... or him.
- "IQ is not the sole factor for success, prosperity and health"
NO ONE EVER SAID THAT. CAN YOU COMPREHEND?
- "There is no such thing as ‘Healthy Quotient.’ "
Yes. Just like there's no such thing as "openness quotient" but it is correlated with IQ. A high IQ is correlated with health.
- "Does he even tell the truth or fool us?"
Anyone with an iota of intellect can validate the information he provides. Just because you wanna cope with having subpar cognition doesn't mean the facts he provides are incorrect.
The rest of your comment is just pure cope. No one said IQ is the sole predictor of success. Conscientiousness, openness, disagreeableness and all other personality traits are correlated with success. In colloquial terms, how hardworking, confident and stress tolerant you are also influence your success rate.
- "No matter how high your IQ is, you still have to work towards your goal and even harder."
I have a feeling you cannot comprehend English.
- "He portrays IQ as a superhuman power."
It kind of is. Comparing someone with an IQ of 80 to someone with an IQ of 140 is like comparing a child with a well educated fully developed adult. People with high IQ are MUCH more efficient problem solvers. They learn stuff FAR quicker.
To give you an idea, a person with an IQ of 180 has the potential to do a high college course in less than a year. A person with an IQ of 90 might NEVER.
- "Ever since he gave an absurd opinion on Palestine and Israel, I have begun to hate his attitude."
You clearly don't know what JP meant by that "Give em hell" comment. Go out there and ACTUALLY find out. Because he has cleared what he meant.
You're also committing the circumstantial ad hominem fallacy. In essence, your argument structure is incorrect.
- "Go and read more about such topics. Use multiple sources of knowledge."
Take your own advice. You're the clearly the less-than-knowledgeable bloke here.
Did you listen to what he said ? Do you know what an average value is ?
@@factorousfactorous3522 I remember I commented here. It seems it got deleted.
Essentially, I wrote an essay completely dismantling this guy's stupid argument.
@@weirdchannel4428 - "IQ is not the sole factor for success, prosperity and health"
NO ONE EVER SAID THAT.
- "There is no such thing as ‘Healthy Quotient.’ "
Yes. Just like there's no such thing as "openness quotient" but it is correlated with IQ. A high IQ seems to be correlated with health.
- "Does he even tell the truth or fool us?"
Anyone with an iota of intellect can validate the information he provides. Just because you wanna cope with having subpar cognition doesn't mean the facts he provides are incorrect.
The rest of your comment is just pure cope. No one said IQ is the sole predictor of success. Conscientiousness, openness, disagreeableness and all other personality traits are correlated with success. In colloquial terms, how hardworking, confident and stress tolerant you are also influence your success rate.
- "No matter how high your IQ is, you still have to work towards your goal and even harder."
I have a feeling you have a severe problem in Verbal Comprehension
- "He portrays IQ as a superhuman power."
It kind of is. Comparing someone with an IQ of 80 to someone with an IQ of 140 is like comparing a child with a well educated fully developed adult. People with high IQ are MUCH more efficient problem solvers. They learn stuff FAR quicker.
To give you an idea, a person with an IQ of 180 has the potential to do a high college course in well less than a year. A person with an IQ of 90 might NEVER.
- "Ever since he gave an absurd opinion on Palestine and Israel, I have begun to hate his attitude."
You clearly don't know what JP meant by that "Give em hell" comment. Go out there and ACTUALLY find out. Because he has cleared what he meant.
You're also committing the circumstantial ad hominem fallacy. In essence, your argument structure is incorrect.
- "Go and read more about such topics. Use multiple sources of knowledge."
Take your own advice. You're the clearly the less-than-knowledgeable bloke here.
I’m still waiting for the reeducation of Jordan Peterson. That will be a spectacle to see, I can’t wait. I’ve got the popcorn ready.
I’m pretty sure IQ is total nonsense. I don’t think it’s a good predictor of anything, especially health. Sometimes I think this guy is just crazy.
When someone openly states their IQ in public it's pretty safe to assume they are significantly exaggerating their IQ score. Real geniuses don't go around bragging about how smart they are, unless they have some mental issues. Jordan openly claims his IQ is 150. I challenge Jordan to take a very public IQ test issued by a professional with no skin in the game. Based on his need to quickly resort to nonsensical word salads when arguing with or debating someone, I guessing his IQ is around 110 or so...slightly higher than average.
I fully agree with your comment about real geniuses not needing to brag about their IQ.
But I disagree with your assessment of Dr. Jordan Peterson.
In all the videos I've watched of him, I have only once heard him mention his IQ being north of 150, according to an official test, and only because he was ASKED about it. And he answered candidly, but with a sense of humor - indicating an understanding that proclaiming one's IQ is indeed not all that important for someone who has better things to talk about. He has also been open about which type of intelligence he is weaker at.
The IQ of 110 that you're suggesting is far too low. People with an IQ of 110 cannot analyze the way he does (especially conceptually). Just being a professor already typically means being closer to 130. His IQ being 150+ sounds spot on for him.
He does NOT "resort to nonsensical word salads" to look smart, as people who are insecure about their IQ might. This analysis of yours is much more suited to a pseudo-intellectual like Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
Peterson, on the other hand, is well-read so he has a large and jargon-rich vocabulary, but he also uses a great deal of logic in his analyses, built up step-by-step., with pauses taken in between to really think about his answers.
While I mostly agree with Peterson's viewpoints, I don't agree with ever single thing he says, but I can always appreciate the logic he expresses on the way to his conclusions.
I fully agree with your comment about real geniuses not needing to brag about their IQ.
But I disagree with your assessment of Dr. Jordan Peterson.
In all the videos I've watched of him, I have only once heard him mention his IQ being north of 150, according to an official test, and only because he was ASKED about it. And he answered candidly, but with a sense of humor - indicating an understanding that proclaiming one's IQ is indeed not all that important for someone who has better things to talk about. He has also been open about which type of intelligence he is weaker at.
The IQ of 110 that you're suggesting is far too low. People with an IQ of 110 cannot analyze the way he does (especially conceptually). Just being a professor already typically means being closer to 130. His IQ being 150+ sounds spot on for him.
He does NOT "resort to nonsensical word salads" to look smart, as people who are insecure about their IQ might. This analysis of yours is much more suited to a pseudo-intellectual like Neil DGT.
Peterson, on the other hand, is well-read so he has a large and jargon-rich vocabulary, but he also uses a great deal of logic in his analyses, built up step-by-step., with pauses taken in between to really think about his answers.
While I mostly agree with Peterson's viewpoints, I don't agree with ever single thing he says, but I can always appreciate the logic he expresses on the way to his conclusions.
Waste of 20 minutes of my life!!
It's just five.
She was watching at 0.25x speed. Everyone goes at their own pace. @@maryduneau4132
@@maryduneau4132 Don't be harsh on her. She's clearly got a low iq.
Don't sweat just yet, you still have the rest of your life you are going to waste.
The brain's physiology isn't causative.
Iq predicts nothing its all lies
Low IQ opinion
Trust me bro.
You can bet that Jordan thinks he has a very high intelligence quotient. “I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous. He wanted to establish a church, he said, in which he would preach every Sunday.”
Author … Bernard Schiff … professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Toronto.
That’s the first thing I thought when I heard this guy lol,you can just tell he thinks he’s a super intelligent guy. It’s probably why he likes to compare high IQ and low IQ people, and say all these amazing things about high IQ people and how they can do all these things better, because he probably thinks all those things apply to himself. Actually he probably wouldn’t even be doing all these high IQ talks about being super intelligent an shit if he didn’t think he had one. 😂
Years ago, I read a book that was written by a man whose brother was told that he had a low IQ. I don't remember the title of the book, or the exact words, but I do remember the gist of the quote by the brother who was labeled as having a low IQ, and it went somewhat as follows ... "Because of what we don't know, we are all dumb."
I can bet you have a very low IQ, based on this cope.
You do realize that there's a host of propaganda to make Dr. Jordan Peterson look like something he's not? Especially from the University of Toronto. Because he actually thinks and has views which challenge the corrupt and failing systems. Furthermore, he doesn't THINK he has a very high IQ - he factually does. He's not trying to pretend he's intelligent, he IS actually intelligent, and it just shows naturally, he's not trying to flaunt it.
Utter nonsense. Wealth gives you access to resources that poor people never have. Unless you're suggesting a middle class person gets access to wealth or iq in which case take iq you're already doing ok if you are middle class and have access to enough resources to make something of yourself. Being born in actual poverty though? Not a chance in hell would I choose iq over wealth because I know exactly how it turns out and it does not turn out well
By “better off” I don’t think he means just wealth. People assume that whenever someone says “better off” or “successful” that they are talking about materialistic possessions. Think about someone born into wealth. By the age of 40, they might not feel like they have a purpose compared to someone who was born into the middle class but is very intelligent.
@TheEc1ypse wealth leaves you better off than IQ. Wealth gives you safety, iq does not. Wealth gives you resources, iq does not. Wealth gives you opportunities that iq alone will not.
If you're middle class then yes iq is better than being wealthier than middle class but if you are living in poverty you use 100% of your energy staying safe. Iq alone will not get you out of that you need money. Poor people don't have access to education unless they are insanely lucky in a variety of areas in their life. Getting out of poverty is profoundly difficult no matter how smart you are
Again, wealth is not everything. I'd rather be "getting by" with a loving family than wealthy with no one. If I can get both great but if I had to choose I wouldn't choose wealth. When your on your death bed, your regrets won't be of not making enough money, they'll be of not investing more into your relationships.
@TheEc1ypse you're assuming that poor people have loving families. You talk like someone who has never lived real poverty. It's easy to romanticise when you have never experienced it. Most people living in poverty don't have idealised families because those families are living in survival mode.
@TheEc1ypse if you think getting by is middle class then yeah getting by to poor people is matter of survival. You have no idea what you are talking about