As an Irishman I would blame the English. Respecting property rights has nothing to do with rewarding theft. The stolen property must be returned to the black people of South Africa i.e. the rightful owners, that is how to respect property rights. Even today, cut gem stones are one of Englands biggest exports. Those stones should be returned to the people who dug them out of the rock because they were never properly compensated for their work. As for Afrikaners, I don`t have a problem with them but I think the word Orange should be erased from all place names in South Africa.
Afrikaaners never stole land, if you remove Africa out of the equation everyone has land. You equating black Africa with South Africa were both Zulus and colourds have always resided. In 94 the borders were flooded making all South Africans a minority. So please explain exactly what land must be returned? What you are alluding to is that whites have no claim to any land here yet we the last of white people a minority of an entire continent that cannot answer a question on land... It's not as if Africa doesn't have resources, this debate is always about enslaving whites, if you ad Europeans want whites gone here then why have you not offered repatriations or citizenship to whites globally? Are you hearing the debate, they want whites to do everything while blacks continue after 50 years to sit back and reap it's communism 101... Whites in Africa are anything but communist
The land issue is not about food and money, it's about humanity and dignity of our people. this issue of land is too personl to me and the other black society
The land issue is about food and money and dignity and identity and liberation. South Africa is not a free society while black people live like squatters on their own land. Remember that as Africans we have deep cultural ties to land but land is also more than a site where human dignity is restored, land ownership means we can feed ourselves independent of the larger market economy. That's why they won't let js have the land because black people are their biggest consumer base and the more independent we become the less profits they will rake in as we shift from a consumerist society to a society that produces goods.
Maybe blacks should start to answer the question on homelands. It's blacks that can't find a solution... Reality remains that without SADC black Africa is a minority a very small one in South Africa as the colourds and Zulus along with whites make up almost 90% of the population
This DA woman is smoking rocks. Just because she's middle class and has enough access to capital she thinks ONLY individuals should own land. Just look at the Western Cape and how communities have been dispossessed by property developers
Thank you, brother. Thomas Sankara was resolute enough to make Burkina Faso a country that grew its own crops and developed its own textile industry rather than import what his country could produce. South Africa does not belong to us, we sell raw minerals and buy back the finished products from Europe, North America and Asia. We could easily process these minerals ourselves but we have no backbone to actually stand on our own feet. We always want to be dependent on other countries.
Saskia A "job" is sometimes the simplest way to meeting your needs, but it is possible to meet your needs without a "job" and even with a "job" your needs can go unmet.
As a young Xhosa man who has spent all his life in South Africa, what I find interesting is how our 'black people' will be yelling in debate panels about we as black people need help when all the black people in that panel have so much money they could feed half of that room every year and the money they have is taken from the very same people in that room they call 'our people'. I was taught charity begins at home, but ke that's just me.
Keep up the good work. How ever,it is time to walk the talk. Land is collective wealth. People should have access based on ownership. The ANC & the EFF should sink their differences to promote small farm holdings. The conversation holds hope,but time is running out... Solidarity greetings from Nigeria.
They both do nothing but promote money in their pocket. Both have done nothing for the people. EFF just spend R150mil on a party. Why not buy land for the people or build a school like they promised. I guess a party is more important.
Subsistence farming is backward and unproductive. If South Africa wants to be competitive and eliminate poverty then it needs large scale farming, and only a few people have the knowledge and money to invest in those industries. Whoever owns the land owns the land, whoever wants to buy it can make an offer.
By having a government that is totally transparent, working for the people. Improving people’s quality of life, improving living standards. Putting the tax payers money towards roads, services, housing, schools etc will automatically improve living standards and unite people and create equality within societies. You will never get out of this situation while the ANC are in control filling their pockets with money.
The land does not belong to investors but the people living in it! our black society very educated but they are lulled down by this ANC government.....this is painful guys.....millions of black people died for this? Is this what we say Mandela went to jail for 27 years for this ? Is this what our people fought for? this is painful guys
The evil is the one who took the land by force. Give the land back to its owners you stole it why must you be compasated? If I come and still your property will you compasated me in order for you to get it back?
@@WaEnterprise You lie to yourself with such a pity party, poor me attitude! You were not alive when the land was sold, bartered for, or given or taken in combat. The bible says not to envy, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors house, wife, servant, ox, donkey (property) or anything that is your neighbors’. Exodus 20: 17. Why? Because it will make you sick, hateful, and full of vitriol! The people who ended up with the land had skills, they worked their butts off developing it, turning it into productive land, either farms or mines or resorts! They paid a price! You see it centuries later and want to steal it back, after all the work is done and cry and whine because you don’t have it and you think there is injustice to you. That is a lie out of the pit of hell! Look at your own efforts. Did you design and pave the roads, develop oil, figure out the electrical grid, or the cell phone you use? If you didn’t you are benefitting and riding on the backs of all those who came before who took a chance on their ideas and invested their life blood, energy and money to do so. Grow up and earn your own way and stop all the hateful and dangerous attitudes which only foment ugliness and murderous schemes.
I was surprised that the moderator was able to continue and finish because half way through I was certain it was going to collapse into total farce! @44:45
We have a bunch of expects discussing secondary issues, that is why no problems are being solved in these shows. They are being put there, just like voting, to give the illusion of inclusion. Wake my black people, the sleeping giant(Sphinx).
@44:32 the guy literally took his shirt off in the television studio during the debate like if he was expecting the audience to start throwing banknotes and money at him thinking somebody was gonna make it rain! 🤣🤭😓
By cutting short the comment of the Khoisan chief you deprived your audience and viewers of an point of view. He tried to look at the land issue from another angle that could have brought a solution to the land issue
Our Zimbabwe failed on economic basis yes but our people own their lands and there's no racism and people are living in freedom. Currently Zim farming is rising up and investor are coming, as long they're no racist. We don't tolerate racist people, we throw them away in a blink of an eye. Our desire is for all black south africans to own their lands but in a peaceful way and experience freedom we have. It's so sad to see how they're being treated in their own country.... Let all be resolved in peace.
all the white farmers got their land back the ones that wanted to come back did get all of their land back? whats your point? they failed and white man came back to teach them how to farm.
This is the problem. We should learn from Australia, New Zealand and USA. Not Zimbabwe. South African was a powerful nation. The superpower of Africa. And the black rule has failed us as it did in the rest of Africa. South Africa is supposed to be a first world country by now...our governments are corrupt. Yes there was racism... But the rand was competing with the pound and standard of living was so high that even Europeans wanted to immigrate to South Africa back then. Black rule has failed us. The new world is a white man's world. We should have bought in and share the power and work fro' there.
I care about South Africa's economy. These white people contribute to our economy immensely. I will take advice from Zimbabwe. Your country is in sha'bles and your people come to our country for better opportunities.
exactly my point as well. Zimbabwe used to be the showcase.......whether racist or not...........and look what happened? that things turn around now, is mostly down to people working together and not hold grudges because of colour. the country has realized that the white farmers can add immensely to the GDP, and should be convinced to stay. even with less land and maybe as part of a coop@@jadenphilander5592
@@jadenphilander5592Yes and whites left it in shambles, political espionage and always finding a way to meddle in other people's business like their doing with the ANC. ANC sold out we know that
I hate this comment that says the poor wilk suffer more. The poor are suffering more already. This is a tactic that the rich and the middle-class use to scare the poor not to stand uo for their rights. They fear change and its effect on them.
trying to sort out an African problem with a white law and reasoning (commercial oriented), the African will start singing hahahaha. To an Africa his land is any land where his or her ancestors are buried. Doesn't matter if i have money or not. That's the point that the chief was making. We are just custodians and soon we will be ancestors too. Foreigner or local, constitutional law or customary law, what's important is fairness and understanding that blacks are the real and original owners of African Land and of they decided to share their land FOR FREE with travelers why should the traveler ask for payment when the owner of the land wants back?
Tell that to the white people who invaded Africa murdered people tortured people expropriated people from their ancestors lands created borders in the whole African continent. Tell that to European’s who let Africans die in the sea because they don’t want to let them enter « their » territory. White people need to stop with the talking and the manipulation and just give the land back. If they want to destroy everything white people built and plant palm trees it’s their right.
I live in Cape Town and in just one suburb the numbers of do called "Coloured People" living on the streets have multiplied. This has /is a very icy Cold 🥶 and wet winter ❄️
Beloved Fighters on behalf of all the Bethlehemites that subscribe to the SEVEN non-negotiable pillars of the glorious organisation, I salute to all Africans who are rendered landless in the land of their birth.
God asked Cain where is my brother? And he replied to God .And Cain answered God ...Am I my brothers keeper....So for both Side has to ask themselves Am I my brother keeper IT funny
@@Eio7 VOETSEK Eio7 Take your revisionist nonsense and shove it up your a*s. We want OUR land back, & you won't enjoy a moment of peace until we get it.
Expecting to get a loan without giving collateral is pure nonsensical. Later when the bank fails because they can collect the debts, the same people will be demonstrating and saying the bank stole their money.
Poor setup, anyone can just jump on the stage and make noise disturbing the debate. People are cut off before they can finish and some seem unprepared to answer directly.
Ministers who have made their promises need to move the tasks to administrators who follow through with the decisions and promises instead of transferring unfinished business to a new politically appointed minister! Basic common sense!
South Africa indigenous communities has to own their lands and benefit from them If their land is owned by government communal individuals should be amended in Benefit Sharing, owners of the lands should benefit from the profit of their utilized resources it should be fair and equitable sharing of benefits arising from the use of genetic resources belong to the community
1. I cannot over emphasize how utterly disabling it is to progress and social justice to have bunch of self serving lazy and greedy alcoholics running the state. 2. Besides colonial powers cutting Africa up into pieces without consideration of the societies, then having enforced racial segregation. You have many different people, with shared history but different experiences of it. That shaped our lives and perspectives drastically. 3. Qaulity decolonized education for the masses. About the past, present and future. 4. Exceptional visionary leadership abd governance. 5. Accountability both individual and collective. Those are some of the things that can save us.
Uma kukhulunywa ngomhlaba ubuyiselwa kubanikazi ,kushukuthi ukwabiwa ngokulingana kobuphofu lapha e South Africa,ngaleyodle kusetshenziswa a long range missile that can be used effectively to the international market exposure to hunger .Ledlela esetshenziswa manje ukusebenzisa ngobugqila kubantu ngale ukugwema izindleko ze human trafficking,ibe nokukhuthaza i racism ngamandla ......
if you look at Zimbabwe, you can see what happens when you simply strip people of the landf and give it to someone else. that country was known as one of the biggest netto producers in africa, and where are they now? so yes, the land should be redistributed to its rightful owners, but not without thought of what they are going to do with it. if not much, the nation will grow poorer. if not much, there are gonna be just as many people going hungry, just as many stay poor and the farmer, who had it before, will probably leave alltogether. is this the plan for the future? question should be.......can the farmer still be good with half the property? or 30%? cuz whether you like it or not, a lot of jobs and livelyhoods are in the balance of just that 1 farmer..............and there are 100s of them.
This whole debate was a joke. People start speaking languages no one understands, stand up, walk around, start singing. That’s no place to have a constructive debate. And for a moderator, she was very biased.
under whose name was the land when it was transferred to white people paperwise,and if the whites claim that they came with everyone else here how come the majority of the land and wealth is in the hands of the whites then and not equally devided amongst everyone because the reason why whites all of a sudden say the land belongs to the Khoisan people is because they don't want to share it equally which is why we're here in the first place.. Okay if you are saying that there were title deeds in the name of Khoisan people before the whites came here and took it then why are we debating give it all back to the Khoisan people then everyone else,colourd,black,white,indians and Asians will have to go back to where they came from or submit to the Khoisan people.....lol....wolla!! So come on let's stop the debate transfer back the land to the Khoisan people.
@@wandiledlamini4916 which land? Stop falling victim for politics and live your life this issue is beyond you,it's like corona the same people who designed it are also in charge of this issue there's your president Ramaphosa they have him by the balls. Be the muntu that you are and practice Ubuntu don't fall for racial nonsense politics. These guys that you see talking nonsense here are also victims of the same politicians who are in charge. Be free and live your life.
The land obviously belong to the oldest humans on earth .The Khoisan .Most of y'all ancestors migrated from the North of Africa not Soth Africa & southern Africa.Stop the zebra debate because all if y'all came from the North of Africa
@@shananajam2726 learn the history of SA it's available on the internet,khoe people are not related to the san people so there's no such thing as khoisan even their cultures/traditions and languages so u can't make a claim that they are first who between them is first and first where? your ancestors came late being brought by the whites from india and malasia that's how islam arrived in SA with you ancestors who even used that islamic term kaffir to refer to our people they found here so since you got here late along with the whites who got here very late themselves i wouldn't expect you to know our history.
@@shananajam2726 no.1 The Khoe and the San are 2 different ethnic groups that are not related so there's no such thing as "Khoisan" it's imaginary.So u can't claim they were first cause who between them was first and where? No.2 White people who told you that lie got here veeery late in 1652 and went to bring your ancestors from india and Malaysia in the 1800s as slaves who brought islam in our land and Islamic racial slur they used to refer to our people they found here so i don't expect you to know our history which is readily accessible in the internet if you're looking for it.
@@harryshaw5068 ..so how long where they there?! The Dutch came in the 1500 and English later, but that was not my question, my question was ,are San people black?!
@@melissamurray1328 learn to read because that wasn't your question. Also why is that relevant? They are indigenous to the land and the bantu/whites aren't. End of
44:22 @ give some of our black people a platform and it seems they need to perform automatically and do extra when they know they are on camera and being recorded. 😣😣🤔
12:21 - I love how she admits here that the vast majority of blacks in South Africa have no claim to any of the land. The "landless" are majority immigrants. They want to take land from white European settlers WHO BUILT EVERYTHING and give it to black Africans from surrounding countries who emigrated to South Africa in the last century. I also love the guy who wants to nationalise everything while admitting the state is corrupt lmao.
Always leaving out coloured and indian people, indian people are one of the biggest drivers of this country ask zuma he'll tell you he paid them 500billion
Dont say the Khoisan people should chill . Our ancestors were the first & oldest humans on earth .South Africa & Southern Africa were found here by the so called white man & black man .We eere here first But all you hear is blacks & whites fight over land as if we do not exist.now y'all want to say we are are included when we are not.Why does the fforms we fill in has columns to gill in white coloured,Indian or black why ? With the white regime during apartheid we were too black & with the black regime we are too white. We indigenous people to this land called SA. So stop this zebra debate & include the original people ya'll found in SA & southern Africa
As an Irishman I would blame the English. Respecting property rights has nothing to do with rewarding theft. The stolen property must be returned to the black people of South Africa i.e. the rightful owners, that is how to respect property rights. Even today, cut gem stones are one of Englands biggest exports. Those stones should be returned to the people who dug them out of the rock because they were never properly compensated for their work. As for Afrikaners, I don`t have a problem with them but I think the word Orange should be erased from all place names in South Africa.
I respect u for saying that
Respect
Afrikaaners never stole land, if you remove Africa out of the equation everyone has land. You equating black Africa with South Africa were both Zulus and colourds have always resided.
In 94 the borders were flooded making all South Africans a minority. So please explain exactly what land must be returned? What you are alluding to is that whites have no claim to any land here yet we the last of white people a minority of an entire continent that cannot answer a question on land... It's not as if Africa doesn't have resources, this debate is always about enslaving whites, if you ad Europeans want whites gone here then why have you not offered repatriations or citizenship to whites globally? Are you hearing the debate, they want whites to do everything while blacks continue after 50 years to sit back and reap it's communism 101... Whites in Africa are anything but communist
Respect.
Also, wish you guys all the best in your fight for Northern Ireland.
Straight to the❤
The land issue is not about food and money, it's about humanity and dignity of our people. this issue of land is too personl to me and the other black society
The land issue is about food and money and dignity and identity and liberation. South Africa is not a free society while black people live like squatters on their own land. Remember that as Africans we have deep cultural ties to land but land is also more than a site where human dignity is restored, land ownership means we can feed ourselves independent of the larger market economy. That's why they won't let js have the land because black people are their biggest consumer base and the more independent we become the less profits they will rake in as we shift from a consumerist society to a society that produces goods.
@zintlemvana7955 great points raised 👏 but who gets the land and where
Take back your land black people
I'm here for it. I support it. I love it
Period me too
Criminal thinking!
then the bushmen should take theirs back from the zulu and xhosa who are also invaders
I'm addicted to these debates. Brilliant.
Pains me that it has been the same thing for a long time 9 years and still nothing has changed from the first debate
Same
Maybe blacks should start to answer the question on homelands. It's blacks that can't find a solution... Reality remains that without SADC black Africa is a minority a very small one in South Africa as the colourds and Zulus along with whites make up almost 90% of the population
😂 I was just about to write ✍️ this
How did we get here? How can you be disposed of your land. Somethings wrong here.
This DA woman is smoking rocks. Just because she's middle class and has enough access to capital she thinks ONLY individuals should own land. Just look at the Western Cape and how communities have been dispossessed by property developers
She's brain washed
1:28:11 a very valid point. What will it look like in the future
South Africans should own their land Africa is rising much support from Kenya. Juju for president come may 8th
Juju is saying no South African must own land but the state only.
Tsek
Trying to satisfy investors at the expense of the people 🤦🏾♂️
Does South Africa belong to South Africans or investors???
Thank you, brother. Thomas Sankara was resolute enough to make Burkina Faso a country that grew its own crops and developed its own textile industry rather than import what his country could produce. South Africa does not belong to us, we sell raw minerals and buy back the finished products from Europe, North America and Asia. We could easily process these minerals ourselves but we have no backbone to actually stand on our own feet. We always want to be dependent on other countries.
Saskia, a job is not a need. It is important to understand that.
Saskia A "job" is sometimes the simplest way to meeting your needs, but it is possible to meet your needs without a "job" and even with a "job" your needs can go unmet.
@Saskia this "jobs" mentality is what is keeping us down and unequal. It's time to stop thinking like a slave
Analisfun Fun Demos (people) cracy (government/rule).
Any government that is not the people is not a democracy.
As a young Xhosa man who has spent all his life in South Africa, what I find interesting is how our 'black people' will be yelling in debate panels about we as black people need help when all the black people in that panel have so much money they could feed half of that room every year and the money they have is taken from the very same people in that room they call 'our people'. I was taught charity begins at home, but ke that's just me.
Keep up the good work. How ever,it is time to walk the talk. Land is collective wealth. People should have access based on ownership. The ANC & the EFF should sink their differences to promote small farm holdings. The conversation holds hope,but time is running out... Solidarity greetings from Nigeria.
They both do nothing but promote money in their pocket. Both have done nothing for the people. EFF just spend R150mil on a party. Why not buy land for the people or build a school like they promised. I guess a party is more important.
Redi Thlabi should have debated herself. She does not give the people chance to argue their thoughts
Subsistence farming is backward and unproductive. If South Africa wants to be competitive and eliminate poverty then it needs large scale farming, and only a few people have the knowledge and money to invest in those industries. Whoever owns the land owns the land, whoever wants to buy it can make an offer.
By having a government that is totally transparent, working for the people. Improving people’s quality of life, improving living standards. Putting the tax payers money towards roads, services, housing, schools etc will automatically improve living standards and unite people and create equality within societies. You will never get out of this situation while the ANC are in control filling their pockets with money.
The land does not belong to investors but the people living in it! our black society very educated but they are lulled down by this ANC government.....this is painful guys.....millions of black people died for this? Is this what we say Mandela went to jail for 27 years for this ? Is this what our people fought for? this is painful guys
Land expropriation without compensation is evil!
The evil is the one who took the land by force. Give the land back to its owners you stole it why must you be compasated? If I come and still your property will you compasated me in order for you to get it back?
@@WaEnterprise You lie to yourself with such a pity party, poor me attitude! You were not alive when the land was sold, bartered for, or given or taken in combat. The bible says not to envy, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors house, wife, servant, ox, donkey (property) or anything that is your neighbors’. Exodus 20: 17. Why? Because it will make you sick, hateful, and full of vitriol! The people who ended up with the land had skills, they worked their butts off developing it, turning it into productive land, either farms or mines or resorts! They paid a price! You see it centuries later and want to steal it back, after all the work is done and cry and whine because you don’t have it and you think there is injustice to you. That is a lie out of the pit of hell! Look at your own efforts. Did you design and pave the roads, develop oil, figure out the electrical grid, or the cell phone you use? If you didn’t you are benefitting and riding on the backs of all those who came before who took a chance on their ideas and invested their life blood, energy and money to do so. Grow up and earn your own way and stop all the hateful and dangerous attitudes which only foment ugliness and murderous schemes.
why must u be compensated for something that was not urs to begin with??
Am an African and i think this is what made us be colonised because we are not united
But neither were the white people.
I was surprised that the moderator was able to continue and finish because half way through I was certain it was going to collapse into total farce! @44:45
Coloured people always act rowdy when there is no reason for them to act that way.
I'm coloured and I see this frequently, it's embarrassing.
@@dawoodwilliams3652sure you are
That DA person said 'it does work because we believe...' wtf kind of logic is that?
The real reason why land reform has been slow is the inefficient processing of land claims.
I absolutely love this program...this is what a healthy democracy looks like....can only wish this for the US
South Africa is one step away from becoming a 1-Political-Party Dictatorship like North Korea. You're very ignorant.
These Khoi-Sans must chill...a fight for Black people is a fight for them too
200 years of Boer brainwashing.
Divided and conquered.
@Chapo Gonemma
See!?
Your plantation diction says it all and makes my point...
I'm not an "Y'all" and neither are you!
@@kidmack1121my friend you should not just blame the boers, blame the british, blame the english man.
The moderator is amazing, this is what happened when you have a deep respect for people.
We have a bunch of expects discussing secondary issues, that is why no problems are being solved in these shows. They are being put there, just like voting, to give the illusion of inclusion.
Wake my black people, the sleeping giant(Sphinx).
@44:32 the guy literally took his shirt off in the television studio during the debate like if he was expecting the audience to start throwing banknotes and money at him thinking somebody was gonna make it rain! 🤣🤭😓
By cutting short the comment of the Khoisan chief you deprived your audience and viewers of an point of view. He tried to look at the land issue from another angle that could have brought a solution to the land issue
Matanyani Ian talks of spiritual path to a state related tends to fly over people’s heads so it wasn’t the best place for that point in specific
Vn9L
Our Zimbabwe failed on economic basis yes but our people own their lands and there's no racism and people are living in freedom. Currently Zim farming is rising up and investor are coming, as long they're no racist. We don't tolerate racist people, we throw them away in a blink of an eye.
Our desire is for all black south africans to own their lands but in a peaceful way and experience freedom we have. It's so sad to see how they're being treated in their own country....
Let all be resolved in peace.
all the white farmers got their land back the ones that wanted to come back did get all of their land back? whats your point? they failed and white man came back to teach them how to farm.
This is the problem. We should learn from Australia, New Zealand and USA. Not Zimbabwe. South African was a powerful nation. The superpower of Africa. And the black rule has failed us as it did in the rest of Africa. South Africa is supposed to be a first world country by now...our governments are corrupt. Yes there was racism... But the rand was competing with the pound and standard of living was so high that even Europeans wanted to immigrate to South Africa back then. Black rule has failed us. The new world is a white man's world. We should have bought in and share the power and work fro' there.
I care about South Africa's economy. These white people contribute to our economy immensely. I will take advice from Zimbabwe. Your country is in sha'bles and your people come to our country for better opportunities.
exactly my point as well. Zimbabwe used to be the showcase.......whether racist or not...........and look what happened? that things turn around now, is mostly down to people working together and not hold grudges because of colour. the country has realized that the white farmers can add immensely to the GDP, and should be convinced to stay. even with less land and maybe as part of a coop@@jadenphilander5592
@@jadenphilander5592Yes and whites left it in shambles, political espionage and always finding a way to meddle in other people's business like their doing with the ANC. ANC sold out we know that
Ramaposa should go!
The land belong to the black people .
Sharp up on your history
South Africans,iam very happy with the way the discussion of this debate.
I hate this comment that says the poor wilk suffer more. The poor are suffering more already.
This is a tactic that the rich and the middle-class use to scare the poor not to stand uo for their rights.
They fear change and its effect on them.
trying to sort out an African problem with a white law and reasoning (commercial oriented), the African will start singing hahahaha. To an Africa his land is any land where his or her ancestors are buried. Doesn't matter if i have money or not. That's the point that the chief was making. We are just custodians and soon we will be ancestors too. Foreigner or local, constitutional law or customary law, what's important is fairness and understanding that blacks are the real and original owners of African Land and of they decided to share their land FOR FREE with travelers why should the traveler ask for payment when the owner of the land wants back?
50:26 , Momolemi always choking lol
The cost of Inequality versus The cost of Expropriation??
did anyone understand the wisdom from the chief or it was too deep for a modern mind to understand?
The land belongs to nobody. We only borrow our time on this planet.
but what is extracted from the land during a persons lifetime has monetary value. n where that money goes matters.
Tell that to the white people who invaded Africa murdered people tortured people expropriated people from their ancestors lands created borders in the whole African continent.
Tell that to European’s who let Africans die in the sea because they don’t want to let them enter « their » territory.
White people need to stop with the talking and the manipulation and just give the land back.
If they want to destroy everything white people built and plant palm trees it’s their right.
I live in Cape Town and in just one suburb the numbers of do called "Coloured People" living on the streets have multiplied. This has /is a very icy Cold 🥶 and wet winter ❄️
100/
100 ANC.
Beloved Fighters on behalf of all the Bethlehemites that subscribe to the SEVEN non-negotiable pillars of the glorious organisation, I salute to all Africans who are rendered landless in the land of their birth.
God asked Cain where is my brother? And he replied to God .And Cain answered God ...Am I my brothers keeper....So for both Side has to ask themselves Am I my brother keeper IT funny
The black lenders are a big part of the problem.
Ur right it's become noise!!
This presenter is rude she does not give the people a chance to speak finish she is rude
In what universe does a thief have right to compasation for returning property they forcefully grabbed?
How do you have the ability to type that sentence? I guess those thieves did more than steal your land, they educated you too.
@@nuckingfuts3204VOETSEK
Ridiculous! Your forefathers traded or sold the land! Or they won in wars for it, just like everywhere else in the world!
@@Eio7 VOETSEK Eio7
Take your revisionist nonsense and shove it up your a*s.
We want OUR land back, & you won't enjoy a moment of peace until we get it.
ya ya the ANC said this and said that and has policies for this and that BUT THEY DO FOKOL
Land to the black masses
This is the exact same video posted on March 10, 2019, as Land Expropriation Without Compensation
Nationalise the land
The fool who says African society is not patriarchal is living in some fantasy world.
No more talking. The land belongs to real South Africans ( Blacks ) Must take it by force.
You now that the blacks are also not the rightfull owners of the land.
The right full owners are the khoi
Khoi-san and the strand loper
Molemi's performance 🤣😭 it's all love tho
Expecting to get a loan without giving collateral is pure nonsensical.
Later when the bank fails because they can collect the debts, the same people will be demonstrating and saying the bank stole their money.
Poor setup, anyone can just jump on the stage and make noise disturbing the debate. People are cut off before they can finish and some seem unprepared to answer directly.
We must share land with anyone, cause we all are the same
😂😂This was a sign that our people want land ❤❤
I suggest the original people move in those areas.
Ministers who have made their promises need to move the tasks to administrators who follow through with the decisions and promises instead of transferring unfinished business to a new politically appointed minister! Basic common sense!
Here in 2024 interested as hell funny how these kinda shows used to bore me😂
How much land could the ANC have bought and redistributed if they haven't stolen so much money?
Molemi iyoooooooooh his not making sure😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Now that becomes organized noise!!
This would have been far more fruitfull without the audience
Mxm nonxnse dabate you know the truth
We don't own the land. The land owns us.
The Tribal leader are the castodian of the land therefore respect the landlord or the castodian because they are in office for longer time
South Africa indigenous communities has to own their lands and benefit from them
If their land is owned by government communal individuals should be amended in Benefit Sharing, owners of the lands should benefit from the profit of their utilized resources it should be fair and equitable sharing of benefits arising from the use of genetic resources belong to the community
She's not giving people a chance to talk. Yho ha.a
Lamola has no clue about land issue. I can see that he failed dismissal.😅
1. I cannot over emphasize how utterly disabling it is to progress and social justice to have bunch of self serving lazy and greedy alcoholics running the state.
2. Besides colonial powers cutting Africa up into pieces without consideration of the societies, then having enforced racial segregation. You have many different people, with shared history but different experiences of it. That shaped our lives and perspectives drastically.
3. Qaulity decolonized education for the masses. About the past, present and future.
4. Exceptional visionary leadership abd governance.
5. Accountability both individual and collective.
Those are some of the things that can save us.
Uma kukhulunywa ngomhlaba ubuyiselwa kubanikazi ,kushukuthi ukwabiwa ngokulingana kobuphofu lapha e South Africa,ngaleyodle kusetshenziswa a long range missile that can be used effectively to the international market exposure to hunger .Ledlela esetshenziswa manje ukusebenzisa ngobugqila kubantu ngale ukugwema izindleko ze human trafficking,ibe nokukhuthaza i racism ngamandla ......
if you look at Zimbabwe, you can see what happens when you simply strip people of the landf and give it to someone else. that country was known as one of the biggest netto producers in africa, and where are they now? so yes, the land should be redistributed to its rightful owners, but not without thought of what they are going to do with it. if not much, the nation will grow poorer. if not much, there are gonna be just as many people going hungry, just as many stay poor and the farmer, who had it before, will probably leave alltogether. is this the plan for the future? question should be.......can the farmer still be good with half the property? or 30%? cuz whether you like it or not, a lot of jobs and livelyhoods are in the balance of just that 1 farmer..............and there are 100s of them.
This whole debate was a joke. People start speaking languages no one understands, stand up, walk around, start singing. That’s no place to have a constructive debate. And for a moderator, she was very biased.
But look at Zimbabwe now , they're economy is growing and they're stabilizing it while south Africa is going down,
under whose name was the land when it was transferred to white people paperwise,and if the whites claim that they came with everyone else here how come the majority of the land and wealth is in the hands of the whites then and not equally devided amongst everyone because the reason why whites all of a sudden say the land belongs to the Khoisan people is because they don't want to share it equally which is why we're here in the first place..
Okay if you are saying that there were title deeds in the name of Khoisan people before the whites came here and took it then why are we debating give it all back to the Khoisan people then everyone else,colourd,black,white,indians and Asians will have to go back to where they came from or submit to the Khoisan people.....lol....wolla!!
So come on let's stop the debate transfer back the land to the Khoisan people.
@@wandiledlamini4916 the land belongs to everyone who lives in it.
@@wandiledlamini4916 which land? Stop falling victim for politics and live your life this issue is beyond you,it's like corona the same people who designed it are also in charge of this issue there's your president Ramaphosa they have him by the balls.
Be the muntu that you are and practice Ubuntu don't fall for racial nonsense politics.
These guys that you see talking nonsense here are also victims of the same politicians who are in charge.
Be free and live your life.
The land obviously belong to the oldest humans on earth .The Khoisan .Most of y'all ancestors migrated from the North of Africa not Soth Africa & southern Africa.Stop the zebra debate because all if y'all came from the North of Africa
@@shananajam2726 learn the history of SA it's available on the internet,khoe people are not related to the san people so there's no such thing as khoisan even their cultures/traditions and languages so u can't make a claim that they are first who between them is first and first where? your ancestors came late being brought by the whites from india and malasia that's how islam arrived in SA with you ancestors who even used that islamic term kaffir to refer to our people they found here so since you got here late along with the whites who got here very late themselves i wouldn't expect you to know our history.
@@shananajam2726 no.1 The Khoe and the San are 2 different ethnic groups that are not related so there's no such thing as "Khoisan" it's imaginary.So u can't claim they were first cause who between them was first and where? No.2 White people who told you that lie got here veeery late in 1652 and went to bring your ancestors from india and Malaysia in the 1800s as slaves who brought islam in our land and Islamic racial slur they used to refer to our people they found here so i don't expect you to know our history which is readily accessible in the internet if you're looking for it.
Sheesh kanti why do people’s attend these debates if all they going to do is shout at unsatisfactory answers and not wanting to learn anything yasis
This moderator is weak. She doesn’t know how to moderate the debate properly. Her microphone isn’t loud enough as well.
38:10 The anc did not help you then, they will not help you now.
It's clear in every video that the presenter supports EFF
😂Definitely living in a fanfiction world my guy
The khoisan king didn’t make any sense
He's knowledge of South African history is skewed. It's difficult to makw sense when you have been miseducated
I'm loosing interest in this debate . .i
we can't buy something which was taken from. us free those who took our land they didn't compensate us why they must be compensated
Who is us? Black people in general or just the khoi san? Because it is only the latter that have an argument in that case
@@harryshaw5068..did White people bring the Zulus and others or were they there before?!
@@melissamurray1328 zulus along with the other bantu tribes were in south Africa before white people but not for that long
@@harryshaw5068 ..so how long where they there?! The Dutch came in the 1500 and English later, but that was not my question, my question was ,are San people black?!
@@melissamurray1328 learn to read because that wasn't your question. Also why is that relevant? They are indigenous to the land and the bantu/whites aren't. End of
44:22 @ give some of our black people a platform and it seems they need to perform automatically and do extra when they know they are on camera and being recorded. 😣😣🤔
Decrease corruption and return land for indigenous communities that has been colonised especially the San is the most vulnerable colonised community
Bragh you wanna turn us into Zimbabwe?.. Come on man
@@jaysonmokhwanatsi7365Zimbabwe farming production has increased
Thula mtanam' zizojik' izinto
SA is another world😂😂😂
12:21 - I love how she admits here that the vast majority of blacks in South Africa have no claim to any of the land. The "landless" are majority immigrants. They want to take land from white European settlers WHO BUILT EVERYTHING and give it to black Africans from surrounding countries who emigrated to South Africa in the last century.
I also love the guy who wants to nationalise everything while admitting the state is corrupt lmao.
That DA token lady is under fire kunzima
Labanthwana ama uber
Always leaving out coloured and indian people, indian people are one of the biggest drivers of this country ask zuma he'll tell you he paid them 500billion
They were stilling it with zuma there is nothing that they done, african people knew
Lamola is a minister without a clue.... He is there for supper
This is comedy hehe you can just dance .
This a bad form of debate
Hahaha whats going on here 😂😂
lol ngobani aba lol
LOL what a clown show
Stop looting and there will be enough money to compensate for land.
This nonsense watched by the whole world shows how its hard for black SA cannot fix their problems.
Dont say the Khoisan people should chill . Our ancestors were the first & oldest humans on earth .South Africa & Southern Africa were found here by the so called white man & black man .We eere here first But all you hear is blacks & whites fight over land as if we do not exist.now y'all want to say we are are included when we are not.Why does the fforms we fill in has columns to gill in white coloured,Indian or black why ? With the white regime during apartheid we were too black & with the black regime we are too white. We indigenous people to this land called SA. So stop this zebra debate & include the original people ya'll found in SA & southern Africa
Eff .evrything is free...😂😂😂