INTPs are intellectuals - not necessarily academics. That's where the problem lies, because we live in an age where credence is only given to those who have received some scroll from this place or another.
Ugh tell me about... I have to take the B2 exam for english because if a fuckin paper doesn't say I can speak it then it doesn't count, even though I've seen people with an english certificate that can barely hold an oral conversation... it's rubbish but I need it for my curriculum.
Got one of the nicest compliment I got was from an INTP Except he was a covert narcissist as well and I ghosted after he mentioned he has a plan for our date. So....yeah safe to say it was a hot mess. But he was one of the most interesting ppl I met. I'm an ENFP so it was bound to fall apart.
It's not a duty to share the truth, it's like a strong urge to share it. If I don't say the truth - to which I've put logical thought -, I'll get frustrated.
I think it's also a way to challenge our thinking because we assume that people will challenge our thinking like we challenge ours. All types share the " Everyone thinks like I do" belief. But If it was true you wouldn't have this problem. So it's a incorrect. And that's the point of socialization, to destroy that idea. So basically what we need to do as INTPs (and every other types) is use our language (which is logic) to understand others language by association. For INTPs, It's about making logical sense of illogical people's behaviours. We also INTP don't make any "sense" to other types, so let's be proactive and make the first step to show our superiority mouhahahahah :D If you have a lot of close friend with different types, then lucky you. Take time to study them, and use that information on strangers with same type. If you don't learn about MBTI types. If you don't do one of the two you'll get frustrated in every social situations which doesn't include your very close friends, or others INTPs. Perfect counter-example are when feelers rant and you're suppose to nod while staying silent. It's hard to keep your mouth shut when you wanna point out how the situation when you identify a pattern of behavior. Say the blatant truth and you'll be an asshole no matter how logical your idea is. Give them fake compliments and if you're young enough you're brain will associate giving fake compliment as a good way to avoid stressful situation while you're aware that you're lying to yourself. You'll end up doing that as a defense mechanism and end up becoming an insecure, paranoïd, schyzophrenic vegetable because you just did exactly what you always try to avoid. So it's basically a dead end. This illusion of being in a dead end leads to frustration because it's like being punished for existing, being denied your greatest asset. Which will lead you either on apathy road or to compromise yourself on a daily basis which depending on how frequent and intense it is can lead to voluntarily loneliness, or self destruction to justify the idea that you're thinking process is ineffective because no matter how hard you try you have no positive impact. So your ideas are pointless when it comes to people, you'll start self doubting and stop interacting with people, self destructing, or project those doubts on your knowledge about things or maybe you'll be mature enough to realize that you have an issue and put it on hold. Giving you time to figure out why. But either ways, it will block you in your social development. And except for the latter, those are unhealthy behaviors. So the solution is trying to figure out how to use your reasoning while still impacting positively your surroundings without betraying your code and hurting people around you. A good INTP will share their raw beliefs with the outer world with a good form enough so that people can listen to them. A suggestion I have is : 1) get good at typing people that way you can instantly identify which "code" are they running by. 2) translate your logical reasoning into theirs so no one gets offended nor frustrated. You'll be a social chamaleon, but it's not an issue because unlike the tortured INFJ, we're not that complicated and they're still people who appreciate INTPs for who they are, but you'll have to do a lot of thinking thought to the point where it'll be exhausting. But in the long run it'll work because personnality types are pattern so learn them once and it'll work untill the end of time unless there's a better model, but if you're already thinking about what's better than MBTI, then let me tell you that you're officially on the good road. INTP talk so oppen for suggestion correction, or being burnt for being stupid, or appraisal if you agree but you know that already
Think of it this way, whatever an INTP says to you, we say the same thing to ourselves. We audit our own thinking and motives and are suspicious of ourselves. Older INTPs are different to younger INTPs as we are always updating ourselves es and become less insecure the more data we collect.
as an older intp, when you see a younger intps being... maybe... immature. do you usually let them find their own way and hope for the best? or do you feel like you have a duty to steer that intp in the "right" direction or at least show him/her how to tame that Ti-Ne? as i get older, and as i hope to accomplish most of what i envision, i plan on helping some lost ones if i see them before it gets worse or to help speed up their journey.
Vision, I understand why and I do it myself, to every young one fucking up. My rationale keeps leading me to my autonomy. It’s good to get the message out! But people are always gonna do what they want and for intp go out of their way to figure their individual way because of autonomy. Eventually with age and maturity if they are true to them selfs they will come to the conclusion their self and look back and remember your words which will reinforce their conclusion. Basically by being more mature all we can do is lay some solid constructed bomb ass rebarb
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I think this qoute neatly surmises most of what you are saying. As an INTP, I can relate to most everything that you have said. So, keep up the search and never settle. (As I matured, I learned to question and to seek to understand others and how they view the world. I rarely say my opinions unless I see a direct need or am comfortable being intellectually intimate with the other individual. If we are not to that point, I will discuss things from their perspective, making sure they feel comfortable and validated.)
My point of ok bye comes when i realized someones entire arguements or mindset is based off feeling and theres not going to be any logical discourse that takes place. My biggest fault is getting frustrated and lost when trying to get to the truth with an emotional person. It litterally throws me for a loop and thats where i fall victom to manipulation so i just leave
The two INTPs I know I learned from the most are totally different people, yet both INTP to the bone, in different ways :o Though, they both share some core traits: - Absolute encouragement of discussing ideas and free thinking - Tough reliance on science (what a rhyme!) - Interest in social philosphy - Great sense of humor - Work best under pressure - They both claim that "the biggest burden on humanity is that most people are stupid" ^^' Next to INTPs I sometimes even feel pressured to speak my mind. If I don't, they'll become sceptical of me even thinking for myself. If I do speak my mind, I always watch out to not jump to conclusions too quickly, if it is a topic I have no conclusion on. If I have one, I'll explain my complete thought process, so they wont feel the need to remind me that they suspect I didn't think it through. I'm not quite sure if I learned this from INTPs or ENTPs, but at some point I started, in theoretic debates in school, to always chose to defend the side I personally am against versus the one I favor. I would do this to refine my view and ensure my trust in my own, actual standpoint. I can not recall ever doing this before I got to know some certain NTPs in my life. =)
Someone Random hey intp here. Don't worry about thinking the right way or whatever. We just like to hear your thoughts no matter where they lead. We want the real real. And yea maybe some will come off criticizing, but don't take it personal. That's the fun for is is to spar like that and we think we're encouraging more introspection, but it doesn't mean we don't value your ideas or that they don't resonate. We're just happy you are willing to engage that part of us at all.
But most people are stupid... you know it... we try to fix and teach you.. But we get called soulless aholes, but I am not a ginger any more my hair got darker.
The best way to figure out if your position makes sense and is logically sound is to reverse engineer it with the opposing position. That's where devil's advocate comes in because it will strengthen or weaken your current position. Depending on what you find your position will change or you find more evidence to support it. We constantly analyze and challenge our beliefs.
I am INTP, you did a great job by mentioning: Think for yourself, Update your world view constantly, Sharing ideas with your friends, People have motives for doing stuff. I am as INTP always understand that my view of the world might not be exactly right or I might miss some important point. I would say it's the most important thing in friendship to share my ideas with the person for me. Otherwise it's too boring for me to communicate with that person.
I’m an INTP and I tend to wiggle out my opinions. When I say wiggle, I mean I tend to state my opinion that I believe its right, but I make sure to say it in a nice way as to not make others mad. I think I do this because I’m afraid of getting them mad because it may make them not even take my argument seriously, simply making them mad, or I’m afraid of being wrong. Sometimes I do go off a bit online when I’m protected by anonymity so I believe its more of a conflict-avoiding process I developed.
Similar when I say "lets agree to disagree" it's only because I've failed to avoid that conflict and no real information will be exchanged either from me to them or them to me.
Yep, i think its because the way we present the truth doesnt line up with peoples feelings but at the same time they know what we say is true which really hit them on the nerve. As a result of that i think they like to push us away and act like anything we say is stupid so when we do say the truth our character is sabotaged and they dont have to worry about being exposed or whatever
This is a great video. A non-INTP explaining this perspective is no easy thing, and really cool to take in. I would add that there is a big difference between the cynical INTP vs the idealist. The biggest personal note of contention I have with this analysis is: I do not believe (or perhaps I've lost my faith,) in the marketplace of ideas, *in practice.* First, because good ideas when considered as organisms, don't necessarily rise to the top. In reality, the majority or lowest common denominators tend to outweigh the correct ideas. By "correct," I mean effective, logically consistent or factual. Side note: where INTPs and ENTPs conflict or help each other is that an ENTP will be a fountain of ideas but less able to discern good from bad, whereas an INTP will produce less ideas, but is more capable from sorting the good from bad. In any case, for the marketplace of ideas to be effective, there must be stringent rules and enforcement of them. Otherwise, you have a majority voice or minority megaphones drowning out the honest participants of a debate. A younger INTP tends to be more idealistic, but less easy to get along with. They would agree with the marketplace statement, but are likely to be more vocal and contentious as well. An older INTP tends to be more cynical, but better at social interactions once they realize that it's a useful skill. As we get older, we also tend to pick our shots more carefully... less of a shotgun with our statements and more of a rifle. We start to want the maximum outcome with the least amount of force, rather than just stating truth as we know it and letting the chips fall. All of that being said: if the marketplace if ideas is internal, then yes I do believe in giving most ideas a fair shot in my own mind. I don't think every type is naturally good at doing this, though (or even inclined to be.) Hopefully at some point, INTPs learn enough to value the strengths of other types and not dismiss them because of a difference in priorities. It helps us to realize that psychologically, some people really do see blue when we see green, and that can be used to our advantage if we're aware of it and intellectually honest.
This was very interesting!! And despite our personality differences on the surface, this is why I tend to get along with INTPs more so than ENTPs, because I really respect the ability to know better ideas from worse ones. I can get easily overwhelmed from too much Ne
Our militant "pro free speech" stance is not just because of our suspicion of authority. We also run the "less than free speech" scenario to it's conclusion. It always ends in tyranny. Good vid!
Lin Yen Chin I find the laziness of modern university students absolutely amazing. The fact they would even argue the notion that communism is just when there's a library full of documents that show the horrible inefficiency of planned economies.... rubbish!
Lin Yen Chin Agreex, but it's not just socialism. Any political system that doesn't, as it primary function, respect and preserve the individuals rights to self ownership and the natural rights associated with it (property ownership, freedom of thought and expression, self defense, and ownership of the fruits of one' labor) will invariably be tyrannical.
When you agree to disagree, you then stop thinking and taking new information. You've reached a conclusion and consider it good enough. Nothing but the truth is good enough for an INTP.
Great job! I am an INTP with a passion for people. Always thinking. Always refining. A defining trait I have noticed in myself is how far I am willing to go to understand or for the truth. We can be hard on people. You are very thoughtful. I appreciate that so much. Thanks 😊
Relax... As an INTP, I'm a libertarian and an atheist (precisely for the reasons you mention in the vid)... your observations seem pretty damned accurate to me. If INTPs are getting you to question *WHY* you think certain things, then we're doing our job. INTPs tend to be all about the Socratic/dialectical method -- not all of us are dicks in how we go about it. ;)
Im also an intp and A Libertarian i also attend a baptist christian church but am always annoyed during the preachings when they state something as an absolute MY Mind always thinks “WELL THATS DEBATABLE”
"We all must try to understand what is happening, we need to try to understand what is happening and in my humble opinion ideology is only going to get in your way. Nobody understands what is happening. Not Buddhists, not Christians, not government scientists. No one understands what is happening. So, forget ideology. They betray. They limit. They lead astray. Just deal with the raw data and trust yourself. Nobody is smarter than you are. And what if they are? What good is their understanding doing you? People walk around saying, 'I don't understand Quantum Physics, but somewhere somebody understands it.' That's not a very helpful attitude towards preserving the insights of Quantum Physics. Inform yourself. What does inform yourself mean? It means transcend and mistrust ideology. Go for direct experience. What do YOU think when YOU face the waterfall? What do YOU think when YOU have sex? What do YOU think when YOU take psilocybin? Everything else is unconfirmable rumor, useless, probably lies. So, liberate yourself from the illusion of culture. Take responsibility for what you think and what you do." -- Terrence McKenna
'They tend to believe in the marketplace of ideas...the idea that the best ideas will rise to the top naturally when there is free speech' - No because this is clearly and demonstrably false. The ideas with the most mass appeal rise to the top in a 'marketplace of ideas'. The majority of people are nothing like INTPs and do not value truth in and of itself. A free marketplace of ideas is almost guaranteed to occlude truth. I always disliked intensely this common analogy of intellectual discourse to a 'marketplace' for trading and speculating, as its mechanisms for assigning value are based on supply and demand and nothing to do with true value.
Helvete_Ingres I don't agree, perhaps we don't all think exactly alike. I don't presume to know everything just because I spend more time pursuing that knowledge or truth
I just explained how it won't. The truth will disappear into a sea of lies if it isn't something the masses are interested in for their own reasons. If you're trying to listen for the one frequency of truth amidst a plethora of static and noise and LIES, it is GONE, it has disappeared forever out of reach. And even if what you said is true, it allows the true to be another only fungible idea in the 'marketplace', a fucking COMMODITY. Which is to devalue it greatly to say the least, because truth is truth. 'Marketplace of ideas' is a disgusting metaphor. And what you said doesn't make any sense besides. YOu say like a 'marketplace' allows for every kind of product a 'space to exist', whereas in reality it allows only products that can stay competitive to exist. A product that can't profit that no one is interested in DISAPPEARS.
I agree in my distrust of the 'marketplace of ideas'. The human mind is not actually terribly conducive to truth in an open speech society. In structured, perfect knowledge, controlled logical discussion the truth would always, but this form of a 'marketplace of ideas' is not possible. In reality sophistry and showmanship have disproportionately large representation in most public discourse arenas, such that truth suffers. I believe in free speech as vague, general idea, but I haven't been able to commit myself to the specifics nor the power of the 'marketplace of ideas'.
I am really impressed with how well you understand INTPs, Meghan! Have no worries, you get us far better than most type experts. You express yourself well and have clearly given a lot of thought to the subject. Most INTPs will appreciate that. Do not mistake our tendency to qualify, clarify, and elaborate on ideas as meaning that we dislike or even disagree with you. Thanks.
you were spot on. don't worry. also: we may not agree with you because you aren't right. we may know that you're right, and we actually agree with you, but we want you to use clear and concise words. it goes back to principles. if you explain something in the wrong way to me, i'm going to help you say it better so that when you go out there and say it again you won't piss off someone who totally misjudged the statement. as an intp, i strive to strip the fat off of my thoughts before it comes out of my mouth. stripping the fat off entails using verbal language that absolutely *no one* can interpret the wrong way. i'm not always perfect, but i strive for it almost every time if i feel like it.
Great video! Your description of INTPs is very accurate and insightful. I get your reservation about talking about them. As an INTP myself I often sense fear and frustration in others when they try to share their point of view with me. We tend to spot any form of logical errors pretty much in real-time, which leads me to too often interrupt people to correct them, or just because I already figured out where the person is going with its argument, probably because I have already been there in one of my too numerous musings... I know I sound like a know-it-all, but I guess that unfortunately comes with this personality type. That being said, and as you said, we constantly search for some absolute elusive Truth. We know it's impossible, but we like to fight for every ounce, pinching away at the dark cloud of ignorance surrounding us. So even though we look stubborn, self-sufficient, and even narcissistic, I believe we are more open-minded than most. I personally challenge any of my beliefs and listen to all critics, wich leads me to constantly change my point of view, on any subject. I don't care about being proven wrong. Whenever it happens I make a point of acknowledging the fact and apologizing as soon as I realize my mistake,. I expect that from others but my experience so far has led me to conclude that this is seldom the case. As you mentioned, I believe almost all INTPs will consider Truth above authority. We don't care about titles, diplomas or any form of social status. As such, you should not be scared of talking about us as "just some TH-cam person" because we value your input as much as anyone's! One last thing, even when I perceive irrational thoughts, driven by selfish interest, cultural brainwash or just deficient logic, I will still juggle with the ideas I'm presented with, trying to see if there is some "accidental" truth to them. Any form of input can be inspirational...
My wife tells me I’m Bob from Bob’s Burgers because I always say “It’s the principle!!” I think you nailed a lot of key concepts and I appreciate your thoroughness and accuracy describing the refinement of ideas, following breadcrumbs, and frustrations with people who act without processing.
I also liked when you discussed the truth over feelings point. As you pointed out, INTPs generally agree that truth trumps feelings. Some people will hear “Your feelings never matter” instead of “the better way to avoid unnecessary negative feelings in the long-term is to accept an inconvenient truth over your feelings in this moment.” It’s an extension of delayed gratification. Feelings are valid, but volatile and can leave you feeling like you don’t have a frame of reference. Accepting truth will shed away a lot of volatility and leave you with more solid feelings that you can look at and process without being thrown around on a whim
Sadly, free speech more often leads to the most emotionally charged and "comforting" knowledge rising to the top; which is not often, and actually rarely, the truth. And great job ;) I really like the video. You pointed out some really good points and hit on a lot of truth about us.
This is true. We can’t expect truth to rise easily to the top when the only people who really care for it are 3% of the population. Evolution doesn’t really care for truth really, usual fictions are often a good substitute. Sadly.
From a guy just learning about this whole INTP thing I have, listening was awesome. So many truths here about our strange pursuit of truth and the weirdness of not feeling a personal connection with our own ideas, since we challenge endlessly our own thoughts, makes me think if I even have such a thing as a personal opinion! Also very valuable to say how difficult is to deal with us from someone trying to understand us. Behave amigos. This was great and you are great. Keep it up.
I enjoyed the video. Thank you for sharing your insight and perspective! I appreciate it! I think you have an authoritative voice, which comes across as universal rather than what I think it is which is confidence in who you are. I enjoy it, especially when I disagree with you since it makes me think more about your perspective. I can’t speak for others, but as long as you state what you are saying is a work in progress and your current viewpoint (subject to change) then it should change how it is received. Idk just thinking out loud lol. I can’t give you a pat on the head. Doing so is too close to pity for me. This video was too great for that. You deserve greater praise than that. Meghan, you did a great job and I look forward to what you have to share going forward! Impossible to please all is typically correct. *****Edited for readability (More thoughts below)*******: I cannot speak on behalf of others but I will say that the following is accurate for me (at least at the moment): Yeah, I would say my worldview changes given the information available and depending on how that information is interpreted (i.e perspective). That feeds my understanding of reality. YUP. Healthy skepticism is important to me. It is so crucial for me that a person question what they believe at least a little. I don’t assume malicious intent behind maintaining a specific belief (although that is the case sometimes) but I would say someone’s refusal to explore alternative beliefs is concerning. I become quite bitter if manipulated. How I would define manipulation is the utilization of emotions to blind someone from thinking rationally in order to achieve some agenda. Meh, my definition is a work in progress. I seek some sort of Truth outside myself. While it is hard to know what is true, working within a system of consistency helps me to question existing notions of truth to see what is not true. I believe in the marketplace of ideas* (*Hate speech or inciting violence would be something I would have to draw the line on. I think at that point it puts other’s freedom at risk.) The more outrageous the belief, the more compelled I feel to comment. For people I know I have no problem questioning them whenever but those whom I don’t know it am more reserved. If I am asked for my opinion that is a different story. Then they will get it. I would rather have a more chill conversation and learn but I tend to learn the most when what I hear upsets me. I take the time after the conversation to work through it. I hate to agree to disagree because it feels like something is unresolved. I would rather be wrong (I wouldn’t want to admit being wrong but I would rather be wrong) then to end without getting to some resolution. Yeah, I sometimes say stuff I don’t believe. I usually say it tongue in cheek. I tend to play devil’s advocate in my mind more but I do use it sometimes out loud. I would agree truth is more complicated then what meets the eye. Typically, arguments (argument in the philosophical sense) miss hidden assumptions. Everyone has reasons for why they do things and I want to know regardless if I’m going to think they are stupid reasons or not. The reason is that I want to see their thought process and what I can learn from them. If there is no thought process that is when I get frustrated. None of what I am saying is meant correct you on what an INTP is (the video resonated with me at least) but rather share another perspective. Heck, it is possible I am not an INTP (can't be discounted).
Nailed it! (For a non-INTP :-) you have a great understanding of us. I will add that when an INTP wants to push an argument with you it is a sign of respect, i.e. that they see that you have more insight to offer to the situation & they want to keep the conversation going to get that out. Paradoxically, INTP's are actually more concerned with preserving harmony with people whose opinion they don't value (to avoid any time-wasting interactions) than with those that they do. We are *very* able to maintain this dichotomy of liking somebody very much as a person but still wanting to argue with them until we get to the 'final truth' :-) Keep up the great work!
The fact you tied yourself in to knots worrying about offending an INTP or being criticized by them. The truth is we do not care about correcting you or "informing" you, in fact most enjoy responding to make other peoples knowledge a little bit more "truthful/error free), so the fact you actually listen to INTP's without getting too offended yourself is a rare skill, I can make my family members and close friends tell me to shut up or stop it if I jump from a response to listing my thought processes that made me say/do something. Seems normal people just live their life in the moment and many INTP's are living a bit ahead of the moment (usually just to get a pun out quickly before it's been too long etc). So good job explaining your observations, I thought they were right for me and it was nice to see someone who cares sharing them.
Yes it is so frustrating to try to convince somebody of why we do the things we do and that we have certain systems and we do things for a reason so frustrating and I think that we value knowledge therefore we're open to accepting and possibly seeing something from a different perspective that we just may have been blind to and I feel that people are often offended because they misinterpret our true reasons behind asking a question and challenging an idea and it's not that we're challenging that person it's just that we're possibly challenging our own ideas because as much as we know we still have many questions and if anything can be a value we want to know so it is refreshing to have someone even try to understand us because most people just think we're weird know it all jerks when that's not the case at all.
INTP here. I applaud your effort in completing this video, which was obviously not an easy task for you. *Affectionate head pats* as requested lol ;) Thank you for your honesty about being nervous about making this video - your honesty is appreciated. And good job persevering in the middle there until you caught your second wind :) Well, I learned something new from you - it never occurred to me that some people wouldn't think they could share their thoughts/opinions with their friends. To me it's like, how can I get to know you if we don't tell each other what we're thinking? But now I know that to others, it might not be. That's useful in learning how to relate to F types in particular, so thank you. I guess that means I should share my feelings more instead? (INTPs, I will say this, having an F friend is a great way to help pull out your hidden feelings and take a good look at them, because they know the right questions to ask to help make them clearer to you. That helps you decide what you want, so you can set actual goals and stop procrastinating.) Meghan, the parts about us always seeking truth, and not being very trustful of the system because we can see its flaws and honestly want it to work better, being an independent thinker who is not afraid to have opinions and/or make choices that might go against popular opinion was all right on the money. Also, being distrustful of people and relationships in case we're being manipulated, or because the other person might be acting without thinking. And wanting to be honest, because in our minds, that's how you help a relationship work better. Communication is key, as they say. If it makes you feel better, we might indeed feel comfortable expressing our carefully-considered opinion, but most of us do care about hurting others' feelings and will share our opinion with more tact than you've obviously been shown by some INTPs. Also, if the system works, I use it, while always being on the lookout to refine it and make it work even better. Finally, what is true for me might not be true for you, especially in regard to feelings, so I'm open to the idea that we can have different opinions on the same issue and that each opinion is perfectly valid.
This video was highly accurate for my personality. I certainly find myself remodeling my belief system, to a point, fairly regularly. The marketplace of ideas is important for me, I love no holds barred conversation about anything. Also, I've been told I make people nervous so I'd say your nervousness was merited. I guess most people aren't prepared for the intellectual sparring I enjoy. I try to live by a principle that everyone has something to tell me I don't already know. I hope you make more INTP videos, your points were dead on for me.
thank you for this video! :) it is appreciated. "principle of the thing" matters to me when it's a reaction to irrational human behavior. it is only sometimes applied to a broken system (company service) when I think my input will be received sincerely.
INTP here, you did an excellent job at capturing the essence of our mental process, but one thing I will clarify on is that we often speak in puzzle pieces, and we have an entire puzzle of ideology inside our heads that we are constantly adjusting and building onto, and that's why the people we speak to often don't understand us, because the whole "puzzle" would take weeks to explain to them, also many INTP's are hardcore social darwinists, like myself, who literally can't believe in equality because our brains don't allow us, the idea of universal equality is far too improbable to accept as fact.
I agree that my perception is too hard to articulate and i get frustrated and give. Its like u already have to have all this knowledge to see what i see and i dont have enough time to take people to elememtary school of lifes truths to get them to understand simple concepts
@ismelltoast2, lol! Yes .... there's to much to understand to offer the whole story to others. I've said that myself with others. I've said that it would take 2 months just to bring them up to speed and so I offer up these jewels of thought. Now let your genius finish ...... . I enjoyed your comment!
I've done this test once every six months for about two or three years and I've got INTP every time. I thought I'd comment on the marketplace of ideas notion you brought up. In my most conscious thought I believe that the good ideas do in fact rise to the top by their own merits, I support free speech wholeheartedly, and I believe everyone's ideas should have a place on some platform somewhere out there that is available to all and should subject to criticism from all who wish to do so. However, I've noticed that in my subconscious thought (perhaps it's more to do with feeling than thought, if that makes sense) I tend towards an all-encompassing, totalitarian kind of approach. For instance, when I believe something is undeniably correct, or at least correct enough to merit a certain type of action to be made because of it, I feel it should be done - and accepted - regardless of any of the consequences. This doesn't usually extend towards violence, but everyone has those dark kinds of thoughts once in a while, so I don't normally worry about them since I'm almost certain they'll never be acted upon. I don't usually voice these things because I feel they are inappropriate and that it would only serve to damage what I hope to keep preserved, but it often does concern me that the thoughts that manifest within people whom I would normally consider to be rather morally dubious are manifesting within myself.
I don't hate you, I thank you, for now there is a glimpse of hope of being understood. And yes I was first skeptical of you, but I see your sincerity is authentic and you've done your homework.
@@MeghanLeVota It's easier for me to give a compliment when writing it than saying it vocally. As for the gain of trust out of skepticism, you hit the nail on the head.
hey, as an INTP i wanted to say we really don't hate you or judge you for saying something "wrong" or not universally true about us. as an analyst I really appreciate that you've put thought into even coming to these conclusions at all. for me if I argue someone's point, it actually is a way of validating your thinking. i know this isn't true for a lot of INTP's, especially since im younger, but a lot of the times I don't argue or explicitly disagree with someone bc I don't feel I have "studied" enough to make an extremely solid case. I share my opinion when I feel comfortable and like they won't judge me. this is not really bc I care what they think, but bc arguing with someone who isn't open to your ideas is a complete waste of time. when I criticise your points it means I think you are onto something and I'd like to keep discussing since I see potential to gather more knowledge or bounce of ideas. I know we say thinks in a very harsh way sometimes, im getting better with being "nicer" about it but it was definitely something I had to study how to do since my family would get hurt or misinterpret my intentions (and still do). I think a lot of us are open minded especially to you who clearly has researched and explored these ideas. xx
There's a lot you can learn from INTPs. Personally, my INTP brother has sharpened my analatical skills without a doubt. He's taught me the value of being critical and open minded at the same time, especially when faced with new ideas. He also breaks some of the stereotypes. He's gregarious enough to seem extroverted and emotionally in tune so it's not always obvious that he's Ti dominant. (Teaching him the cognitive functions was a gratifying role reversal, especially as an INFP myself.) It was good lesson in seeing how types aren't cookie cutter. Though his Fe is readily apparent, it shows as his inferior function the way he's comically awkward in trying to please everyone. Jesting remarks aside, he truly is a great friend. I don't understand the high level math or computer programming my brother does but I can say from experience that there is a lot any type can learn from the way INTPs approach life. This video helped me realize just how much of an impact he and other INTPs in my life have had.
Male INTP, 56 years old. As to this video, not bad, good job. By doing the video, you can now get feedback, which will help you refine your MBTI knowledge. As to the world view, the best description I have heard on this, is that it is like we are constructing a world view multi story building made of logic. The world view can change drastically if something in the foundation is found to be wrong, but the changes are usually more of a fine tuning. I call it "BPA", which means Best Possible Idea, given the facts at hand. I am always willing to hear something which many people might consider to be off the wall, because you never know when you will get that fabulous pearl of knowledge, or who it might come from. I don't worry about being played, because my logic will protect me, so I am not worried about motives with people. Even an uneducated person with bad motives might say something that is a fabulous and usable concept. You are correct that I do not trust what people say carte blanche, because I have so often found things to be factually wrong, even from "experts". This leads to a "Trust but Verify" mode of operation. So you are correct about being skeptical, but the reason is from things not adding up so many times in the past. As for the internal push I have to say the truth, even when it is not convenient for people, it is important to give feedback so that corrections can be made, which is pretty much what you said in the video. Also, I would want somebody to tell me when I am wrong, because what if I am wrong? So I treat others as I would want to be treated. My Fe is strong enough that it makes me think twice about giving people bad news, but it needs to be done, and feelings should not get in the way of solving problems. Form follows function. For me, sharing what I am thinking about was difficult when I was young, because my thoughts were more complicated than the vocabulary I had to express them, so I only bothered to try with people I knew well.
Well that's not true, I don't do this! Lol just kidding Meghan ;) While I am an INTP, I like to poke fun at myself lol. You are right in a lot of this video. Good job! EDIT: Actually you are right in ALL of this video. Tbh I commented before I finished it completely. But you are right we are difficult to please on the surface. That's definitely the vibe we give out. In our eyes criticism is our form of love which is probably messed up I know but we thrive on being criticised ourselves. If we are wrong we want to KNOW it. Don't let me go thinking a lie to spare my feelings I want to know the truth even if it hurts. Which is my philosophy when I am close to people about things. For instance if someone got a new haircut and it doesn't look good I won't lie about it and say they look amazing. The biggest difference between a mature INTP and an immature INTP is if they provide a solution to their criticism. Like with the hair example I would nake suggestions for what it could look like next time or if they added some gel or a different color to it. A lazy immature INTP is going to just criticize with no solution and are essentially the biggest pieces of shit.
Thank you for making this video Meghan 😎 I appreciate the fact that you're making videos for INTP's even though some of them are being rude about it. -INTP
As an Intp this is spot on. This totally explains my random interest into the recent debates about free speech which until now I could not understand why cared about it so much. I think the issues intps have with advise is that we are super specific and overly obsessed with accuracy so we might correct your wording but its not critical its to ensure both people are on the same page of understanding. Also I struggle with taking advice because I think so much, that I normally have already considered like the first 5 suggestions someone gives me, so I discount their opinion even though they likely have something to contribute if im just more patient.
I feel through your video that you seem very genuine. Generally speaking it's when someone is in a sense "fed up" or at their wits end that they no longer have the energy to put up a facade. While you may be frazzled and unsure and perhaps even scared to speak so openly about your observations and research, it lends it self to seeming more credible because the more one knows about something they tend to also find just how little they know in the grand scope of things. I applaud your efforts for deeper understanding of perspectives and concepts that you may be ignorant of and ideas that are foreign to you and that very quest for knowledge embodies the spirit of the INTP at its core. For the record I'd likely be quicker to challenge everything you said in your video if you were to present yourself as well versed and a knowledgeable figure in this particular field of study
*pats head* You do seem really stressed out but you were courageous enough to put this out there stating you're insecurities which is a strength in itself. I will not comment on what I do not agree on but I will say that I appreciate your candor and your overall take on our personality type is very refreshing. You pointed out some strengths I have not yet taped into and will be researching how to work on them. So thank you.
Everytime I latched on to what you were saying I'd end up completely lost. Can't think and listen simultaneously, especially not on night 3 no sleep and over caffeinated. But I appreciate the ability to !Speech without long pauses and even longer winded run ons. Good vid to add to the introspec
5:59 "They will do things of the principle of the thing.. They will complain to a business customer service whenever their package got there late, or smth like that, not because they were upset about it, but because they believe that the business should know that their system isn't working. And they'll do things like this for the principle of the thing because they're wanting to uphold a just system that works." OMG, how can you understand us so well? THIS is exactly how it is! And it's so frustrating when I don't always know how to articulate this, even though it's clear in my mind. You're very perceptive.
I think you did a great job with this video. And I think you should take solace in the idea that INTPs love their positive traits to be talked about, but you won’t get the reception you want because they rarely comment on the good things. The system is working so why talk about it. Perhaps I am projecting my own thoughts onto my fellow INTPs. This video got me thinking about something! I have often said, meaning though, that principles suck. I like to think of myself as a pragmatist. But then I remembered that I’m constantly doing little things in order to make our good worldly system work. As an INTP working on being more emotionally connected - thank you for this!
I am an INTP. I am too lazy to think about how I was going to convey this message so I’m gonna just get strait to the point. EVERYTHING you said was for the most part correct about how INTP’s are. I do believe in God but I am not religious. Question everything. Stand firm in your belief. Speak up. Think about how others might feel and be thinking as well. Never be too confident in an answer. ENJOY life. To you, you-tuber or what ever your occupation is, there are always people who are gonna disagree on every trait of an INTP. You nipped it in the but. This video was PERFECT.
Thanks for the video! As an INTP I am really impressed with the depth of your insights into our collective psyche! Searching for the truth of any given situation or system, and constant evaluation of my values/views are such huge parts of my personality, but also parts that I thought were invisible to the outside world. Yay! As I get older I always try more consciously to point out inconsistencies in the most polite way possible, or try to guide the conversation towards the other realising for themselves. I think essentially we really want to use our knowledge for the good of all, but this is difficult when your friends won’t ask your opinions because they are so brutal in their honesty.
@@saranonimus9211 Didn't get it. You mean I am same as 'Overconfident and unwise' or the opposite? Don't take it wrong, just need a clarification.I am okay with whatever your reply is.
@@saranonimus9211 To be accurate. I still strongly believe most of my decisions are Stupid But not ignorant about it like in the theory you have mentioned. I am aware of it.
Don't stress out! We love information, even if it's incorrect. What you see as our criticism of you is mostly just an attempt to understand (or be certain of) what you are saying. We love refining language and trying to glean meaning from what people are saying. If we have contradicting information in our head we offer that up and welcome all debates! We don't necessarily read the room before to see if the other person is up for it though. Kinda what you mentioned where if they truly believed in what they were saying they should be able to talk extensively about it. We don't really *feel* belief. We know what we believe. We expect you to know why you believe something too and if you like us you would explain it to us so we could understand you better and strengthen social ties. Unfortunately, unless people know us, they often will see that as confrontation and that we are questionioning their thought process. Therefore they shut off and don't engage in debate. Which can be isolating. Especially if your trying to talk about something you have spent considerable time thinking about. We go into every discussion believing either we can convince people by explaining our thought process or that they will convince us by explaining theirs. The worst thing you could do is not share. So please keep making videos! Let us know what you think of us (we can take it😉) and watch the rollercoaster that is all of us having debates in the comments.
Cracked chaos you could not have said that better I agree pretty much 100% and I also like debates and it is difficult not feeling that isolation because of the other person feeling like we're attacking them when really we're just trying to understand and get answers and you are 100% (at least for me) spot on about we're open to ideas and if you have a different belief I want to know but a lot of people seem to take the question wrong and assume we're just being jerks and know-it-alls and that's not the case at all. and it can be very confusing and feeling very misunderstood and in some ways it makes you question why take the time, but it's so hard not to because we just truly want to understand the reasons for a different belief. I don't believe that I can change someone's mind about something but I realize I don't know everything and maybe they can change my mind and I always want to be enlightened and learn something and be up to date knowledge is the most important thing for me I like to know why and if something changes I'm all ears you might change my mind maybe I need another perspective on something. I like to look at the whole picture... anyways you are correct we love information even if it's not right and when we question something about what other people feel is often misinterpreted as arrogance which is unfortunate but I have learned that and recognized to verbally let someone know why I'm asking something and then it is a serious question and I'm not trying to be demeaning in an order to communicate more effectively because I've learned I don't want to offend somebody and we're sometimes not the most aware of how our communication is interpreted. It is refreshing to see other INTP's who think the same way as well as seeing non-INTP's trying to understand us. I feel a little less weird now, LOL!
I personally like all your intp videos mostly because I can sort of tell that you are trying to be as authentic as possible. It's also nice to see myself from a different perspective. (Intp)
'' Not holding back my opinions'' and ' 'sometimes sounding like an asshole'' this is so true expecially when my family criticizes me about not being religious. I feel like sometimes I'm very cruel when I explain why I am not religious and I tend to almost insult people who mock me for it, mainly because these are people that don't even know history or what's in the Bible. I've had a family member say to me '' I don't need to know what's in the Bible that's why I go to church so they tell me'' to me that is horrendous way of looking at things you should never blindly belive something without knowing all the fact and forming an opinion for yourself. Anyway I'm rambling, loved your video keep it up.
You are spot on about INTP'S . The best description of myself I've listened to so far. Seekers of truth , skeptical of people and established teaching . I must prove everything myself . I do not blindly believe or follow anyone or traditional teaches. The truth and nothing but the truth . I will investigate !!!
Im an INTP and I do like this video, the marketplace is more like a mechanicism working its process, but pretty much hit the nail on the head with the rest, and we a weird bunch, so good job
INTP speaking. Loved this video. There's a lot of chatter about the individual differences between INTP's. I would like to contribute a possible explanation: nature and nurture. MBTI scores really only focus on the former. It's not a stretch to say that individual results may vary on one little point or another. On another note, I greatly admire the amount of effort you have aptly shown in underatanding viewpoints (in the most basic sense of the word) other than your own. If even a significant minority of us followed your example, the world would suffer less for it.
That cracked me up when you said “intps are so hard to please”. I always say that, “I’m just never satisfied” but I liked your video I think it’s true. -intp
That's true, as someone who uses Ti as my tertiary function I can testify that my views on the world change all the time based on new evidence and observations. My socio-political views now are vastly different from my views from a few yrs back. Ti is amazing, and a very discerning function when well-developed.
You did fine. There’s no way to be 100% about anyone type. I enjoy your videos because it’s a sounding board from outside my own head. I like that you’re so certain of what you think and feel, it’s pretty cool. I’m not this fluid for so long about as many topics. I think you did well, your apprehension around this video makes sense considering how critical we are. But intps can be hypocritical often because we are hard wired to challenge and question. With you I know exactly what I’m getting and dealing with, it’s relieving. I’m always in a process about topics. But if I’ve explored it I know it, unless there’s new info I didn’t explore the case is closed. I tell my ENTJ wife, I may not initiate a conversation but I’m prepared to respond to many conversations. If that makes sense. From an INTP
I'm getting a lot out of this. Where you say we get an ego boost from risking being an outcast for truth is totally true. If I feel the pressure of the world on me to conform in even a minimal way that I feel is wrong or overstepping its authority over me I will fight it just to avoid giving in to the tug of "go along to get along" compromise. I will feel proud of myself for taking an arrow to be true to the framework of my values. If I have no choice I will get passive aggressive. I heard one person say an angry INTP can wield apathy as a super power.
Never heard a better explanation of an INTP from a non-INT before. I think you did a great job here...accuracy level close to the highest! Even though we're hard to please...we love appreciating what we like...like commenting on your video and saying it was great!
INTPs are often super chill. don’t worry about making vids for them!!!! the internet is big, many trolls. Speak your truth and you will surely receive respect. Good assessment!
Lol keep making the intp videos! They're awesome and accurate to a fault. I can see how stressed u feel but the intps that want to point out small differences are just doing their own game. Your stuff is good and u should feel confident in what u say cuz its right. It seems like whenever u get on a role and ur about to say something good u question urself cuz in the back of ur mind u get the PTSDs from intp's trying to tear ur arguments apart but thats just what a lot of us do whether were the one wrong or not. Dont worry about saying it perfect cuz the mature intps catch ur drift and know no ones arguments or presentation are absolutely perfect and like i said before u still slide pretty dang close to it
(I’m an INTP) I love how your emotion shows a little bit in each of your type-life-lessons, it’s a cute bias. I also think it’s helpful so I know other people’s frustrations with my type, obviously I barely see it, or care. Side note: you ENFP’s are the tits. If I want a guaranteed silly goose time or someone to weave through conflicting thoughts with, I can ALWAYS count on your type.
So true about the courage in speaking our truth. We do (kind of unconsciously) believe that hiding your truth means it’s not really your truth. Of course, we ARE always refining the truth. It’s like algebra- we are always trying to isolate certain truths. We will speak our best working version of the truth (which we have already spent a lot of time considering) but it may be refined and perfected over time. I am an INTP who subscribed because of an INTP video and loves this kind of content (as well as the rest of it). You’ve helped me see a perspective outside of the INTP realm which is soooo useful. So yeah- we don’t hate you!!! We need you! I think INTPs can figure out almost anything with enough time, BUT we have a blind spot. You seem to live in that blind spot- so a smart and humble INTP would do well to listen to you!
Intp here, absolutely right on the market place of ideas concept and everything else in video. Truth with a minority of one on its side is a majority. Just had insight thanks to your video on the important role INTP's play socially on the evolution (healthy INTP), or stagnation (unhealthy INTP) of society as a whole.
If we critcize its because we care! If we didnt care or respect you we wouldnt waist our time lol. You did great. Thank you for taking the time and care to make it so carefully.
Intps are very critical and since we aren’t very concerned with how our words affect people’s feelings, I can see why you may be frustrated with how blunt we can be when it comes to your videos. You have an obvious chip on your shoulder when it comes to intps, and I’m sure it’s justified, because we can be real cold assholes. Don’t worry about our comments or criticisms about your view of us, because as an intp, I love your videos and am very grateful you take the time to talk about mbti in such a mature and serious way. I appreciate you talking plainly about us, because it helps me see what I need to work on, and to consider how other people see me. Please don’t get discouraged about making intp videos. They’re great
It's the principle of the thing. Man, so true! Yeah I do feel systems need to be in order, so phoning customer support over something relatively minor so they can fix it. I dislike inefficiency. I am an absolute idealist and justice oriented also, a duty to do right. I love to share knowledge when I'm on firm ground, otherwise I don't often speak when in groups. I'm also anti authoritarian, I always question everything to refine it and make sure I know what they want exactly and often why, I frequently won't do something until I know how it all fits together. I'd have been a lousy soldier! You got everything in the video spot on for me personally. I agree to disagree if someone won't change their mind when I know I'm right lol. It's something I do to avoid a more heated exchange. I also love to play devil's advocate, and support zany theories as maybe there's more ideas to be spawned from that. Thinking for myself is always a priority. So much correctness in this vid. I really liked the video and I don't find anything in it to be pedantic about - a rarity! You're so worried about we mere flesh and blood INTPs but I've heard similar things before with no-one wanting to argue with me! If my approval and appreciation matter then you done good girl :) Btw I don't really have friendships for emotional reasons :/ I love to talk about anything with friends and I'm loyal..in that I'll never stop being someone's friend but I often go decades between seeing friends and then just pick up where we left off last time. If a friend needs me I'll always have their back (real life permitting) but I'm not great with sympathy, I'm sorta 90% empathy 10% sympathy. To me saying aww or ahh is sufficient if someone grumbles, but I don't give much weight to how other people are feeling - I'm more interested in what they're doing or thinking than what they're feeling at any given time. I have crap on my plate and I don't moan about it so I don't expect anyone else to. Still, at least I'm beginning to see my social flaws more clearly lol. Usually my poking holes is to create improvement in things, but we are quite pokey in general, especially in areas of technology or anything of specific momentary interest until all the information has been assimilated then I skip on to the next thing. I love to banter with my friends and poking holes is part of poking fun too, it's showing rough love. A lot of videos mention a lack of fashion sense or desire to look very vanilla. This particular trait is my son to a tee. He only wants clothes with no labels or transfers etc. I've worked long and hard to learn to dress well and it's become one of the things I tried to master, though if I'm just at home I'll often wear the same shorts for a while, washing them and wearing again. If I like something it tends to become the new thing in rotation, I rarely complete projects but constantly come up with new ideas for them, my son shares many of the same traits now at 12.
INTPs are intellectuals - not necessarily academics. That's where the problem lies, because we live in an age where credence is only given to those who have received some scroll from this place or another.
David Chambliss True
David Chambliss At least there is self satisfation
This is one of the triggers of my inate nihilism. It's always there, about everything, this fact just tends to make it sting a tad more.
Ugh tell me about... I have to take the B2 exam for english because if a fuckin paper doesn't say I can speak it then it doesn't count, even though I've seen people with an english certificate that can barely hold an oral conversation... it's rubbish but I need it for my curriculum.
its part of the problem, the main problem is the human vulnerability to the lack of knowledge
Also, good job. As an intp, i don't give fake compliments so, you know its worth its weight in gold.
haha thank you!
Both wrong. Correct is "it's worth its weight in gold"
Got one of the nicest compliment I got was from an INTP
Except he was a covert narcissist as well and I ghosted after he mentioned he has a plan for our date. So....yeah safe to say it was a hot mess. But he was one of the most interesting ppl I met.
I'm an ENFP so it was bound to fall apart.
THAT!
Well done, my lady.
That's true, I won't say something unless I really mean it
It's not a duty to share the truth, it's like a strong urge to share it. If I don't say the truth - to which I've put logical thought -, I'll get frustrated.
Vitor Queçada well it’s arguably a duty as well. In the human discussion you’ll have to share it somewhere.
Yea correct...the urge comes first...and then the duty argument comes second which we tell ourselves and others to justify our action...
I think it's also a way to challenge our thinking because we assume that people will challenge our thinking like we challenge ours. All types share the " Everyone thinks like I do" belief. But If it was true you wouldn't have this problem. So it's a incorrect. And that's the point of socialization, to destroy that idea.
So basically what we need to do as INTPs (and every other types) is use our language (which is logic) to understand others language by association. For INTPs, It's about making logical sense of illogical people's behaviours. We also INTP don't make any "sense" to other types, so let's be proactive and make the first step to show our superiority mouhahahahah :D
If you have a lot of close friend with different types, then lucky you. Take time to study them, and use that information on strangers with same type.
If you don't learn about MBTI types. If you don't do one of the two you'll get frustrated in every social situations which doesn't include your very close friends, or others INTPs.
Perfect counter-example are when feelers rant and you're suppose to nod while staying silent. It's hard to keep your mouth shut when you wanna point out how the situation when you identify a pattern of behavior. Say the blatant truth and you'll be an asshole no matter how logical your idea is.
Give them fake compliments and if you're young enough you're brain will associate giving fake compliment as a good way to avoid stressful situation while you're aware that you're lying to yourself. You'll end up doing that as a defense mechanism and end up becoming an insecure, paranoïd, schyzophrenic vegetable because you just did exactly what you always try to avoid.
So it's basically a dead end.
This illusion of being in a dead end leads to frustration because it's like being punished for existing, being denied your greatest asset. Which will lead you either on apathy road or to compromise yourself on a daily basis which depending on how frequent and intense it is can lead to voluntarily loneliness, or self destruction to justify the idea that you're thinking process is ineffective because no matter how hard you try you have no positive impact. So your ideas are pointless when it comes to people, you'll start self doubting and stop interacting with people, self destructing, or project those doubts on your knowledge about things or maybe you'll be mature enough to realize that you have an issue and put it on hold. Giving you time to figure out why. But either ways, it will block you in your social development. And except for the latter, those are unhealthy behaviors.
So the solution is trying to figure out how to use your reasoning while still impacting positively your surroundings without betraying your code and hurting people around you. A good INTP will share their raw beliefs with the outer world with a good form enough so that people can listen to them.
A suggestion I have is :
1) get good at typing people that way you can instantly identify which "code" are they running by.
2) translate your logical reasoning into theirs so no one gets offended nor frustrated.
You'll be a social chamaleon, but it's not an issue because unlike the tortured INFJ, we're not that complicated and they're still people who appreciate INTPs for who they are, but you'll have to do a lot of thinking thought to the point where it'll be exhausting. But in the long run it'll work because personnality types are pattern so learn them once and it'll work untill the end of time unless there's a better model, but if you're already thinking about what's better than MBTI, then let me tell you that you're officially on the good road.
INTP talk so oppen for suggestion correction, or being burnt for being stupid, or appraisal if you agree but you know that already
Think of it this way, whatever an INTP says to you, we say the same thing to ourselves. We audit our own thinking and motives and are suspicious of ourselves. Older INTPs are different to younger INTPs as we are always updating ourselves es and become less insecure the more data we collect.
Franco so true.. Assessing oneself and answering oneself.. I'm super guilty with talking to myself.
as an older intp, when you see a younger intps being... maybe... immature. do you usually let them find their own way and hope for the best? or do you feel like you have a duty to steer that intp in the "right" direction or at least show him/her how to tame that Ti-Ne? as i get older, and as i hope to accomplish most of what i envision, i plan on helping some lost ones if i see them before it gets worse or to help speed up their journey.
VISION You tell them what you think
, and if they choose to listen that's up to them.
Cameron Trompf yeah that's the best thing you could do or the only option.
Vision, I understand why and I do it myself, to every young one fucking up. My rationale keeps leading me to my autonomy. It’s good to get the message out! But people are always gonna do what they want and for intp go out of their way to figure their individual way because of autonomy. Eventually with age and maturity if they are true to them selfs they will come to the conclusion their self and look back and remember your words which will reinforce their conclusion.
Basically by being more mature all we can do is lay some solid constructed bomb ass rebarb
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
I think this qoute neatly surmises most of what you are saying.
As an INTP, I can relate to most everything that you have said.
So, keep up the search and never settle.
(As I matured, I learned to question and to seek to understand others and how they view the world. I rarely say my opinions unless I see a direct need or am comfortable being intellectually intimate with the other individual. If we are not to that point, I will discuss things from their perspective, making sure they feel comfortable and validated.)
Beliefs are hypothesis to be tested not treasures to be protected. -INTP
Absolutely
My point of ok bye comes when i realized someones entire arguements or mindset is based off feeling and theres not going to be any logical discourse that takes place. My biggest fault is getting frustrated and lost when trying to get to the truth with an emotional person. It litterally throws me for a loop and thats where i fall victom to manipulation so i just leave
This.
INTP approved (PhD, in cognitive sciences). Good work.
Show brain scan or didn't happen
@@kungfooman lol
What is you PhD about?
@@Ignasimp Emotions in decision making + lot's of other work since then.
@@laakasuo do you have different accounts? Or did you just change your name?
The two INTPs I know I learned from the most are totally different people, yet both INTP to the bone, in different ways :o
Though, they both share some core traits:
- Absolute encouragement of discussing ideas and free thinking
- Tough reliance on science (what a rhyme!)
- Interest in social philosphy
- Great sense of humor
- Work best under pressure
- They both claim that "the biggest burden on humanity is that most people are stupid" ^^'
Next to INTPs I sometimes even feel pressured to speak my mind. If I don't, they'll become sceptical of me even thinking for myself. If I do speak my mind, I always watch out to not jump to conclusions too quickly, if it is a topic I have no conclusion on. If I have one, I'll explain my complete thought process, so they wont feel the need to remind me that they suspect I didn't think it through.
I'm not quite sure if I learned this from INTPs or ENTPs, but at some point I started, in theoretic debates in school, to always chose to defend the side I personally am against versus the one I favor. I would do this to refine my view and ensure my trust in my own, actual standpoint. I can not recall ever doing this before I got to know some certain NTPs in my life. =)
Someone Random hey intp here. Don't worry about thinking the right way or whatever. We just like to hear your thoughts no matter where they lead. We want the real real. And yea maybe some will come off criticizing, but don't take it personal. That's the fun for is is to spar like that and we think we're encouraging more introspection, but it doesn't mean we don't value your ideas or that they don't resonate. We're just happy you are willing to engage that part of us at all.
But most people are stupid... you know it... we try to fix and teach you.. But we get called soulless aholes, but I am not a ginger any more my hair got darker.
Aww thanks fam. I love you too, stranger.
hahaha you totally know some intp's if you picked up the habit of playing devils advocate.
that is where true knowledge lies.
The best way to figure out if your position makes sense and is logically sound is to reverse engineer it with the opposing position. That's where devil's advocate comes in because it will strengthen or weaken your current position. Depending on what you find your position will change or you find more evidence to support it. We constantly analyze and challenge our beliefs.
Very well done! Your almost exasperation with our need for consistency and precision was the most genuine observation of us, I thought.
I am INTP, you did a great job by mentioning: Think for yourself, Update your world view constantly, Sharing ideas with your friends, People have motives for doing stuff. I am as INTP always understand that my view of the world might not be exactly right or I might miss some important point. I would say it's the most important thing in friendship to share my ideas with the person for me. Otherwise it's too boring for me to communicate with that person.
Lately I've been feeling fascinated by my INTP friend's mind, INTPs and INFPs are the most unique of types in my eyes.
@Tom same! And also INFP can completely ignore logic which can really drive me nuts haha
I’m an INTP and I tend to wiggle out my opinions. When I say wiggle, I mean I tend to state my opinion that I believe its right, but I make sure to say it in a nice way as to not make others mad. I think I do this because I’m afraid of getting them mad because it may make them not even take my argument seriously, simply making them mad, or I’m afraid of being wrong. Sometimes I do go off a bit online when I’m protected by anonymity so I believe its more of a conflict-avoiding process I developed.
Similar when I say "lets agree to disagree" it's only because I've failed to avoid that conflict and no real information will be exchanged either from me to them or them to me.
what INTPs will love most about this vlog was that it was genuine and they can tell you tried your best. Great Job
Is it just me or being an INTP always renders you being a social outcast?
Probably because we think outside the box
It is just you because you are social outcast.
No.
Yep, i think its because the way we present the truth doesnt line up with peoples feelings but at the same time they know what we say is true which really hit them on the nerve. As a result of that i think they like to push us away and act like anything we say is stupid so when we do say the truth our character is sabotaged and they dont have to worry about being exposed or whatever
@@SpikeLawliet its funny cuz u seem like a social outcast based on your vernacular
This is a great video. A non-INTP explaining this perspective is no easy thing, and really cool to take in. I would add that there is a big difference between the cynical INTP vs the idealist. The biggest personal note of contention I have with this analysis is: I do not believe (or perhaps I've lost my faith,) in the marketplace of ideas, *in practice.* First, because good ideas when considered as organisms, don't necessarily rise to the top. In reality, the majority or lowest common denominators tend to outweigh the correct ideas. By "correct," I mean effective, logically consistent or factual. Side note: where INTPs and ENTPs conflict or help each other is that an ENTP will be a fountain of ideas but less able to discern good from bad, whereas an INTP will produce less ideas, but is more capable from sorting the good from bad. In any case, for the marketplace of ideas to be effective, there must be stringent rules and enforcement of them. Otherwise, you have a majority voice or minority megaphones drowning out the honest participants of a debate. A younger INTP tends to be more idealistic, but less easy to get along with. They would agree with the marketplace statement, but are likely to be more vocal and contentious as well. An older INTP tends to be more cynical, but better at social interactions once they realize that it's a useful skill. As we get older, we also tend to pick our shots more carefully... less of a shotgun with our statements and more of a rifle. We start to want the maximum outcome with the least amount of force, rather than just stating truth as we know it and letting the chips fall. All of that being said: if the marketplace if ideas is internal, then yes I do believe in giving most ideas a fair shot in my own mind. I don't think every type is naturally good at doing this, though (or even inclined to be.) Hopefully at some point, INTPs learn enough to value the strengths of other types and not dismiss them because of a difference in priorities. It helps us to realize that psychologically, some people really do see blue when we see green, and that can be used to our advantage if we're aware of it and intellectually honest.
This was very interesting!! And despite our personality differences on the surface, this is why I tend to get along with INTPs more so than ENTPs, because I really respect the ability to know better ideas from worse ones. I can get easily overwhelmed from too much Ne
@@MeghanLeVotaBla bla bla talking shit
Our militant "pro free speech" stance is not just because of our suspicion of authority. We also run the "less than free speech" scenario to it's conclusion. It always ends in tyranny.
Good vid!
I agree!! It does. thanks for being you
Lin Yen Chin I find the laziness of modern university students absolutely amazing. The fact they would even argue the notion that communism is just when there's a library full of documents that show the horrible inefficiency of planned economies.... rubbish!
Lin Yen Chin Agreex, but it's not just socialism. Any political system that doesn't, as it primary function, respect and preserve the individuals rights to self ownership and the natural rights associated with it (property ownership, freedom of thought and expression, self defense, and ownership of the fruits of one' labor) will invariably be tyrannical.
Geo Polos (in a stupid voice) "But THAT wasn't REAL communism!!!" :-D
Lin Yen Chin I wonder the statistics on how many intp's are left leaning and how many are right leaning...would be interesting
You're a very special lady
When you agree to disagree, you then stop thinking and taking new information. You've reached a conclusion and consider it good enough. Nothing but the truth is good enough for an INTP.
Great job!
I am an INTP with a passion for people. Always thinking. Always refining. A defining trait I have noticed in myself is how far I am willing to go to understand or for the truth. We can be hard on people.
You are very thoughtful. I appreciate that so much. Thanks 😊
Relax... As an INTP, I'm a libertarian and an atheist (precisely for the reasons you mention in the vid)... your observations seem pretty damned accurate to me. If INTPs are getting you to question *WHY* you think certain things, then we're doing our job. INTPs tend to be all about the Socratic/dialectical method -- not all of us are dicks in how we go about it. ;)
Lafe Long I agree, that is your job!!!
Im also an intp and A Libertarian i also attend a baptist christian church but am always annoyed during the preachings when they state something as an absolute MY Mind always thinks “WELL THATS DEBATABLE”
On another note: nothing is good enough for me as intp and i learned that absolutely no one is to be trusted.
"We all must try to understand what is happening, we need to try to understand what is happening and in my humble opinion ideology is only going to get in your way.
Nobody understands what is happening. Not Buddhists, not Christians, not government scientists. No one understands what is happening. So, forget ideology. They betray. They limit. They lead astray.
Just deal with the raw data and trust yourself. Nobody is smarter than you are. And what if they are? What good is their understanding doing you? People walk around saying, 'I don't understand Quantum Physics, but somewhere somebody understands it.' That's not a very helpful attitude towards preserving the insights of Quantum Physics.
Inform yourself. What does inform yourself mean? It means transcend and mistrust ideology. Go for direct experience.
What do YOU think when YOU face the waterfall? What do YOU think when YOU have sex? What do YOU think when YOU take psilocybin?
Everything else is unconfirmable rumor, useless, probably lies. So, liberate yourself from the illusion of culture. Take responsibility for what you think and what you do."
-- Terrence McKenna
@@OutOfTheBoxThinker - I understand what is happening though.
As an INTP I enjoy listening to you, I feel like you get a lot of things right about INTPs so its nice to hear it put into words.
INTP here...I thought your analysis was spot on. My very good friend is ENFJ and he also thinks I’m impossible 😂
'They tend to believe in the marketplace of ideas...the idea that the best ideas will rise to the top naturally when there is free speech' - No because this is clearly and demonstrably false. The ideas with the most mass appeal rise to the top in a 'marketplace of ideas'. The majority of people are nothing like INTPs and do not value truth in and of itself. A free marketplace of ideas is almost guaranteed to occlude truth. I always disliked intensely this common analogy of intellectual discourse to a 'marketplace' for trading and speculating, as its mechanisms for assigning value are based on supply and demand and nothing to do with true value.
Interesting... thanks for the comment!
Helvete_Ingres I don't agree, perhaps we don't all think exactly alike. I don't presume to know everything just because I spend more time pursuing that knowledge or truth
The good ideas may not rise to the top all the time, but a marketplace of ideas will always allow the truth a space to exist.
I just explained how it won't. The truth will disappear into a sea of lies if it isn't something the masses are interested in for their own reasons. If you're trying to listen for the one frequency of truth amidst a plethora of static and noise and LIES, it is GONE, it has disappeared forever out of reach.
And even if what you said is true, it allows the true to be another only fungible idea in the 'marketplace', a fucking COMMODITY. Which is to devalue it greatly to say the least, because truth is truth. 'Marketplace of ideas' is a disgusting metaphor.
And what you said doesn't make any sense besides. YOu say like a 'marketplace' allows for every kind of product a 'space to exist', whereas in reality it allows only products that can stay competitive to exist. A product that can't profit that no one is interested in DISAPPEARS.
I agree in my distrust of the 'marketplace of ideas'. The human mind is not actually terribly conducive to truth in an open speech society. In structured, perfect knowledge, controlled logical discussion the truth would always, but this form of a 'marketplace of ideas' is not possible. In reality sophistry and showmanship have disproportionately large representation in most public discourse arenas, such that truth suffers. I believe in free speech as vague, general idea, but I haven't been able to commit myself to the specifics nor the power of the 'marketplace of ideas'.
I am really impressed with how well you understand INTPs, Meghan! Have no worries, you get us far better than most type experts. You express yourself well and have clearly given a lot of thought to the subject. Most INTPs will appreciate that. Do not mistake our tendency to qualify, clarify, and elaborate on ideas as meaning that we dislike or even disagree with you. Thanks.
You are very right that its (almost) impossible to please us, you did a great job analysing really.
you were spot on. don't worry. also: we may not agree with you because you aren't right. we may know that you're right, and we actually agree with you, but we want you to use clear and concise words. it goes back to principles. if you explain something in the wrong way to me, i'm going to help you say it better so that when you go out there and say it again you won't piss off someone who totally misjudged the statement. as an intp, i strive to strip the fat off of my thoughts before it comes out of my mouth. stripping the fat off entails using verbal language that absolutely *no one* can interpret the wrong way. i'm not always perfect, but i strive for it almost every time if i feel like it.
Great video! Your description of INTPs is very accurate and insightful. I get your reservation about talking about them. As an INTP myself I often sense fear and frustration in others when they try to share their point of view with me. We tend to spot any form of logical errors pretty much in real-time, which leads me to too often interrupt people to correct them, or just because I already figured out where the person is going with its argument, probably because I have already been there in one of my too numerous musings... I know I sound like a know-it-all, but I guess that unfortunately comes with this personality type. That being said, and as you said, we constantly search for some absolute elusive Truth. We know it's impossible, but we like to fight for every ounce, pinching away at the dark cloud of ignorance surrounding us. So even though we look stubborn, self-sufficient, and even narcissistic, I believe we are more open-minded than most. I personally challenge any of my beliefs and listen to all critics, wich leads me to constantly change my point of view, on any subject. I don't care about being proven wrong. Whenever it happens I make a point of acknowledging the fact and apologizing as soon as I realize my mistake,. I expect that from others but my experience so far has led me to conclude that this is seldom the case. As you mentioned, I believe almost all INTPs will consider Truth above authority. We don't care about titles, diplomas or any form of social status. As such, you should not be scared of talking about us as "just some TH-cam person" because we value your input as much as anyone's! One last thing, even when I perceive irrational thoughts, driven by selfish interest, cultural brainwash or just deficient logic, I will still juggle with the ideas I'm presented with, trying to see if there is some "accidental" truth to them. Any form of input can be inspirational...
I appreciate how you're trying to be non bias. You have some pretty accurate insights.
My wife tells me I’m Bob from Bob’s Burgers because I always say “It’s the principle!!” I think you nailed a lot of key concepts and I appreciate your thoroughness and accuracy describing the refinement of ideas, following breadcrumbs, and frustrations with people who act without processing.
That’s hilarious!! Very Ti if you
I also liked when you discussed the truth over feelings point. As you pointed out, INTPs generally agree that truth trumps feelings. Some people will hear “Your feelings never matter” instead of “the better way to avoid unnecessary negative feelings in the long-term is to accept an inconvenient truth over your feelings in this moment.” It’s an extension of delayed gratification. Feelings are valid, but volatile and can leave you feeling like you don’t have a frame of reference. Accepting truth will shed away a lot of volatility and leave you with more solid feelings that you can look at and process without being thrown around on a whim
Sadly, free speech more often leads to the most emotionally charged and "comforting" knowledge rising to the top; which is not often, and actually rarely, the truth.
And great job ;) I really like the video. You pointed out some really good points and hit on a lot of truth about us.
This is true. We can’t expect truth to rise easily to the top when the only people who really care for it are 3% of the population. Evolution doesn’t really care for truth really, usual fictions are often a good substitute. Sadly.
From a guy just learning about this whole INTP thing I have, listening was awesome. So many truths here about our strange pursuit of truth and the weirdness of not feeling a personal connection with our own ideas, since we challenge endlessly our own thoughts, makes me think if I even have such a thing as a personal opinion! Also very valuable to say how difficult is to deal with us from someone trying to understand us. Behave amigos. This was great and you are great. Keep it up.
INTP-A Here, I've been like so creeped out since I found out. Never thought anyone understood me 😪. But this is terrifyingly accurate.
😂😂😂 thank you for making this you did great. We’re quick to criticise any flaw or holes we pick up so you must’ve felt a lot pressure making this
“The search for objective meaning is perhaps the only objectively meaningful action, even if our searches turn up fruitless” - intp
I enjoyed the video. Thank you for sharing your insight and perspective! I appreciate it!
I think you have an authoritative voice, which comes across as universal rather than what I think it is which is confidence in who you are. I enjoy it, especially when I disagree with you since it makes me think more about your perspective. I can’t speak for others, but as long as you state what you are saying is a work in progress and your current viewpoint (subject to change) then it should change how it is received. Idk just thinking out loud lol.
I can’t give you a pat on the head. Doing so is too close to pity for me. This video was too great for that. You deserve greater praise than that. Meghan, you did a great job and I look forward to what you have to share going forward! Impossible to please all is typically correct.
*****Edited for readability (More thoughts below)*******:
I cannot speak on behalf of others but I will say that the following is accurate for me (at least at the moment):
Yeah, I would say my worldview changes given the information available and depending on how that information is interpreted (i.e perspective). That feeds my understanding of reality.
YUP. Healthy skepticism is important to me. It is so crucial for me that a person question what they believe at least a little. I don’t assume malicious intent behind maintaining a specific belief (although that is the case sometimes) but I would say someone’s refusal to explore alternative beliefs is concerning.
I become quite bitter if manipulated. How I would define manipulation is the utilization of emotions to blind someone from thinking rationally in order to achieve some agenda. Meh, my definition is a work in progress.
I seek some sort of Truth outside myself. While it is hard to know what is true, working within a system of consistency helps me to question existing notions of truth to see what is not true.
I believe in the marketplace of ideas* (*Hate speech or inciting violence would be something I would have to draw the line on. I think at that point it puts other’s freedom at risk.)
The more outrageous the belief, the more compelled I feel to comment. For people I know I have no problem questioning them whenever but those whom I don’t know it am more reserved. If I am asked for my opinion that is a different story. Then they will get it.
I would rather have a more chill conversation and learn but I tend to learn the most when what I hear upsets me. I take the time after the conversation to work through it. I hate to agree to disagree because it feels like something is unresolved. I would rather be wrong (I wouldn’t want to admit being wrong but I would rather be wrong) then to end without getting to some resolution.
Yeah, I sometimes say stuff I don’t believe. I usually say it tongue in cheek. I tend to play devil’s advocate in my mind more but I do use it sometimes out loud.
I would agree truth is more complicated then what meets the eye. Typically, arguments (argument in the philosophical sense) miss hidden assumptions.
Everyone has reasons for why they do things and I want to know regardless if I’m going to think they are stupid reasons or not. The reason is that I want to see their thought process and what I can learn from them. If there is no thought process that is when I get frustrated.
None of what I am saying is meant correct you on what an INTP is (the video resonated with me at least) but rather share another perspective. Heck, it is possible I am not an INTP (can't be discounted).
I don't hate you! Pat on the head. This was pretty accurate, especially about updating the world view constantly.
Nailed it! (For a non-INTP :-) you have a great understanding of us. I will add that when an INTP wants to push an argument with you it is a sign of respect, i.e. that they see that you have more insight to offer to the situation & they want to keep the conversation going to get that out. Paradoxically, INTP's are actually more concerned with preserving harmony with people whose opinion they don't value (to avoid any time-wasting interactions) than with those that they do. We are *very* able to maintain this dichotomy of liking somebody very much as a person but still wanting to argue with them until we get to the 'final truth' :-) Keep up the great work!
The fact you tied yourself in to knots worrying about offending an INTP or being criticized by them. The truth is we do not care about correcting you or "informing" you, in fact most enjoy responding to make other peoples knowledge a little bit more "truthful/error free), so the fact you actually listen to INTP's without getting too offended yourself is a rare skill, I can make my family members and close friends tell me to shut up or stop it if I jump from a response to listing my thought processes that made me say/do something. Seems normal people just live their life in the moment and many INTP's are living a bit ahead of the moment (usually just to get a pun out quickly before it's been too long etc). So good job explaining your observations, I thought they were right for me and it was nice to see someone who cares sharing them.
Yes it is so frustrating to try to convince somebody of why we do the things we do and that we have certain systems and we do things for a reason so frustrating and I think that we value knowledge therefore we're open to accepting and possibly seeing something from a different perspective that we just may have been blind to and I feel that people are often offended because they misinterpret our true reasons behind asking a question and challenging an idea and it's not that we're challenging that person it's just that we're possibly challenging our own ideas because as much as we know we still have many questions and if anything can be a value we want to know so it is refreshing to have someone even try to understand us because most people just think we're weird know it all jerks when that's not the case at all.
INTP here. I applaud your effort in completing this video, which was obviously not an easy task for you. *Affectionate head pats* as requested lol ;) Thank you for your honesty about being nervous about making this video - your honesty is appreciated. And good job persevering in the middle there until you caught your second wind :)
Well, I learned something new from you - it never occurred to me that some people wouldn't think they could share their thoughts/opinions with their friends. To me it's like, how can I get to know you if we don't tell each other what we're thinking? But now I know that to others, it might not be. That's useful in learning how to relate to F types in particular, so thank you. I guess that means I should share my feelings more instead?
(INTPs, I will say this, having an F friend is a great way to help pull out your hidden feelings and take a good look at them, because they know the right questions to ask to help make them clearer to you. That helps you decide what you want, so you can set actual goals and stop procrastinating.)
Meghan, the parts about us always seeking truth, and not being very trustful of the system because we can see its flaws and honestly want it to work better, being an independent thinker who is not afraid to have opinions and/or make choices that might go against popular opinion was all right on the money. Also, being distrustful of people and relationships in case we're being manipulated, or because the other person might be acting without thinking. And wanting to be honest, because in our minds, that's how you help a relationship work better. Communication is key, as they say.
If it makes you feel better, we might indeed feel comfortable expressing our carefully-considered opinion, but most of us do care about hurting others' feelings and will share our opinion with more tact than you've obviously been shown by some INTPs. Also, if the system works, I use it, while always being on the lookout to refine it and make it work even better. Finally, what is true for me might not be true for you, especially in regard to feelings, so I'm open to the idea that we can have different opinions on the same issue and that each opinion is perfectly valid.
Big facts right here. Loved the intro lol
This video was highly accurate for my personality. I certainly find myself remodeling my belief system, to a point, fairly regularly. The marketplace of ideas is important for me, I love no holds barred conversation about anything. Also, I've been told I make people nervous so I'd say your nervousness was merited. I guess most people aren't prepared for the intellectual sparring I enjoy. I try to live by a principle that everyone has something to tell me I don't already know. I hope you make more INTP videos, your points were dead on for me.
thank you for this video! :) it is appreciated. "principle of the thing" matters to me when it's a reaction to irrational human behavior. it is only sometimes applied to a broken system (company service) when I think my input will be received sincerely.
INTP here, you did an excellent job at capturing the essence of our mental process, but one thing I will clarify on is that we often speak in puzzle pieces, and we have an entire puzzle of ideology inside our heads that we are constantly adjusting and building onto, and that's why the people we speak to often don't understand us, because the whole "puzzle" would take weeks to explain to them, also many INTP's are hardcore social darwinists, like myself, who literally can't believe in equality because our brains don't allow us, the idea of universal equality is far too improbable to accept as fact.
I agree that my perception is too hard to articulate and i get frustrated and give. Its like u already have to have all this knowledge to see what i see and i dont have enough time to take people to elememtary school of lifes truths to get them to understand simple concepts
I do believe we should let the weak die
@ismelltoast2, lol! Yes .... there's to much to understand to offer the whole story to others. I've said that myself with others. I've said that it would take 2 months just to bring them up to speed and so I offer up these jewels of thought. Now let your genius finish ...... . I enjoyed your comment!
Intp female here :) your observations are very spot on and very helpful. Thank you.
I've done this test once every six months for about two or three years and I've got INTP every time. I thought I'd comment on the marketplace of ideas notion you brought up.
In my most conscious thought I believe that the good ideas do in fact rise to the top by their own merits, I support free speech wholeheartedly, and I believe everyone's ideas should have a place on some platform somewhere out there that is available to all and should subject to criticism from all who wish to do so. However, I've noticed that in my subconscious thought (perhaps it's more to do with feeling than thought, if that makes sense) I tend towards an all-encompassing, totalitarian kind of approach. For instance, when I believe something is undeniably correct, or at least correct enough to merit a certain type of action to be made because of it, I feel it should be done - and accepted - regardless of any of the consequences. This doesn't usually extend towards violence, but everyone has those dark kinds of thoughts once in a while, so I don't normally worry about them since I'm almost certain they'll never be acted upon. I don't usually voice these things because I feel they are inappropriate and that it would only serve to damage what I hope to keep preserved, but it often does concern me that the thoughts that manifest within people whom I would normally consider to be rather morally dubious are manifesting within myself.
I don't hate you, I thank you, for now there is a glimpse of hope of being understood. And yes I was first skeptical of you, but I see your sincerity is authentic and you've done your homework.
Interesting, you’re not the first INTP to have said something like this before. What changed?
@@MeghanLeVota It's easier for me to give a compliment when writing it than saying it vocally. As for the gain of trust out of skepticism, you hit the nail on the head.
hey, as an INTP i wanted to say we really don't hate you or judge you for saying something "wrong" or not universally true about us. as an analyst I really appreciate that you've put thought into even coming to these conclusions at all. for me if I argue someone's point, it actually is a way of validating your thinking. i know this isn't true for a lot of INTP's, especially since im younger, but a lot of the times I don't argue or explicitly disagree with someone bc I don't feel I have "studied" enough to make an extremely solid case. I share my opinion when I feel comfortable and like they won't judge me. this is not really bc I care what they think, but bc arguing with someone who isn't open to your ideas is a complete waste of time. when I criticise your points it means I think you are onto something and I'd like to keep discussing since I see potential to gather more knowledge or bounce of ideas. I know we say thinks in a very harsh way sometimes, im getting better with being "nicer" about it but it was definitely something I had to study how to do since my family would get hurt or misinterpret my intentions (and still do). I think a lot of us are open minded especially to you who clearly has researched and explored these ideas. xx
There's a lot you can learn from INTPs. Personally, my INTP brother has sharpened my analatical skills without a doubt. He's taught me the value of being critical and open minded at the same time, especially when faced with new ideas.
He also breaks some of the stereotypes. He's gregarious enough to seem extroverted and emotionally in tune so it's not always obvious that he's Ti dominant. (Teaching him the cognitive functions was a gratifying role reversal, especially as an INFP myself.) It was good lesson in seeing how types aren't cookie cutter. Though his Fe is readily apparent, it shows as his inferior function the way he's comically awkward in trying to please everyone. Jesting remarks aside, he truly is a great friend.
I don't understand the high level math or computer programming my brother does but I can say from experience that there is a lot any type can learn from the way INTPs approach life. This video helped me realize just how much of an impact he and other INTPs in my life have had.
Male INTP, 56 years old. As to this video, not bad, good job. By doing the video, you can now get feedback, which will help you refine your MBTI knowledge.
As to the world view, the best description I have heard on this, is that it is like we are constructing a world view multi story building made of logic. The world view can change drastically if something in the foundation is found to be wrong, but the changes are usually more of a fine tuning. I call it "BPA", which means Best Possible Idea, given the facts at hand. I am always willing to hear something which many people might consider to be off the wall, because you never know when you will get that fabulous pearl of knowledge, or who it might come from.
I don't worry about being played, because my logic will protect me, so I am not worried about motives with people. Even an uneducated person with bad motives might say something that is a fabulous and usable concept.
You are correct that I do not trust what people say carte blanche, because I have so often found things to be factually wrong, even from "experts". This leads to a "Trust but Verify" mode of operation. So you are correct about being skeptical, but the reason is from things not adding up so many times in the past.
As for the internal push I have to say the truth, even when it is not convenient for people, it is important to give feedback so that corrections can be made, which is pretty much what you said in the video. Also, I would want somebody to tell me when I am wrong, because what if I am wrong? So I treat others as I would want to be treated. My Fe is strong enough that it makes me think twice about giving people bad news, but it needs to be done, and feelings should not get in the way of solving problems. Form follows function.
For me, sharing what I am thinking about was difficult when I was young, because my thoughts were more complicated than the vocabulary I had to express them, so I only bothered to try with people I knew well.
We love you. Thanks for making such an awesome video about INTPs.
I appreciate your willingness to be careful with your phrasing. Accuracy matters to us INTPs
Well that's not true, I don't do this! Lol just kidding Meghan ;) While I am an INTP, I like to poke fun at myself lol. You are right in a lot of this video. Good job! EDIT: Actually you are right in ALL of this video. Tbh I commented before I finished it completely. But you are right we are difficult to please on the surface. That's definitely the vibe we give out. In our eyes criticism is our form of love which is probably messed up I know but we thrive on being criticised ourselves. If we are wrong we want to KNOW it. Don't let me go thinking a lie to spare my feelings I want to know the truth even if it hurts. Which is my philosophy when I am close to people about things. For instance if someone got a new haircut and it doesn't look good I won't lie about it and say they look amazing. The biggest difference between a mature INTP and an immature INTP is if they provide a solution to their criticism. Like with the hair example I would nake suggestions for what it could look like next time or if they added some gel or a different color to it. A lazy immature INTP is going to just criticize with no solution and are essentially the biggest pieces of shit.
hypershadw can I get a witness!
I've called businesses many times saying - I don't want anything, but you should know...when something went wrong haha how do you know me so well ☺
better to be a piece of shit than silent
Thank you for making this video Meghan 😎 I appreciate the fact that you're making videos for INTP's even though some of them are being rude about it.
-INTP
You did a great job breaking things down. Don’t be down on yourself INTPs suck... We’re mean.
As an Intp this is spot on. This totally explains my random interest into the recent debates about free speech which until now I could not understand why cared about it so much. I think the issues intps have with advise is that we are super specific and overly obsessed with accuracy so we might correct your wording but its not critical its to ensure both people are on the same page of understanding. Also I struggle with taking advice because I think so much, that I normally have already considered like the first 5 suggestions someone gives me, so I discount their opinion even though they likely have something to contribute if im just more patient.
The best ideas will rise to the top in a well informed, intelligent society.
I feel through your video that you seem very genuine. Generally speaking it's when someone is in a sense "fed up" or at their wits end that they no longer have the energy to put up a facade. While you may be frazzled and unsure and perhaps even scared to speak so openly about your observations and research, it lends it self to seeming more credible because the more one knows about something they tend to also find just how little they know in the grand scope of things. I applaud your efforts for deeper understanding of perspectives and concepts that you may be ignorant of and ideas that are foreign to you and that very quest for knowledge embodies the spirit of the INTP at its core. For the record I'd likely be quicker to challenge everything you said in your video if you were to present yourself as well versed and a knowledgeable figure in this particular field of study
Supposed Intp, part of your FB group, here. Thank you for your video. Pretty cool
INTP is a common type of people on the autistic spectrum like myself. I can see your breadcrumb trail like neon lights in a cave.
always has been a pleasure discuss ideas with people on the spectrum.
Yeah this certainly is an autistic post
Thank you for your video on the INTP type!
*pats head*
You do seem really stressed out but you were courageous enough to put this out there stating you're insecurities which is a strength in itself.
I will not comment on what I do not agree on but I will say that I appreciate your candor and your overall take on our personality type is very refreshing. You pointed out some strengths I have not yet taped into and will be researching how to work on them. So thank you.
Everytime I latched on to what you were saying I'd end up completely lost. Can't think and listen simultaneously, especially not on night 3 no sleep and over caffeinated. But I appreciate the ability to !Speech without long pauses and even longer winded run ons. Good vid to add to the introspec
5:59 "They will do things of the principle of the thing.. They will complain to a business customer service whenever their package got there late, or smth like that, not because they were upset about it, but because they believe that the business should know that their system isn't working. And they'll do things like this for the principle of the thing because they're wanting to uphold a just system that works."
OMG, how can you understand us so well? THIS is exactly how it is! And it's so frustrating when I don't always know how to articulate this, even though it's clear in my mind. You're very perceptive.
I think you did a great job with this video. And I think you should take solace in the idea that INTPs love their positive traits to be talked about, but you won’t get the reception you want because they rarely comment on the good things. The system is working so why talk about it. Perhaps I am projecting my own thoughts onto my fellow INTPs.
This video got me thinking about something! I have often said, meaning though, that principles suck. I like to think of myself as a pragmatist. But then I remembered that I’m constantly doing little things in order to make our good worldly system work.
As an INTP working on being more emotionally connected - thank you for this!
I am an INTP. I am too lazy to think about how I was going to convey this message so I’m gonna just get strait to the point. EVERYTHING you said was for the most part correct about how INTP’s are. I do believe in God but I am not religious. Question everything. Stand firm in your belief. Speak up. Think about how others might feel and be thinking as well. Never be too confident in an answer. ENJOY life. To you, you-tuber or what ever your occupation is, there are always people who are gonna disagree on every trait of an INTP. You nipped it in the but. This video was PERFECT.
INTP here. You did an amazing job on this. Every single thing you said was so spot on. Thank you!
Thanks for the video! As an INTP I am
really impressed with the depth of your insights into our collective psyche! Searching for the truth of any given situation or system, and constant evaluation of my values/views are such huge parts of my personality, but also parts that I thought were invisible to the outside world. Yay! As I get older I always try more consciously to point out inconsistencies in the most polite way possible, or try to guide the conversation towards the other realising for themselves. I think essentially we really want to use our knowledge for the good of all, but this is difficult when your friends won’t ask your opinions because they are so brutal in their honesty.
Very well done , your perspective is endearing & refreshing from typical INTP talk
I am an INTP myself. And I just discovered that I am STUPID.And I am proud to find that so early in my life(that I am stupid).
True wisdom.
The Dunning-Kruger theory accounts for you, on the opposite side of the coin as the overconfident person of limited understanding.
@@saranonimus9211 Didn't get it. You mean I am same as 'Overconfident and unwise' or the opposite? Don't take it wrong, just need a clarification.I am okay with whatever your reply is.
@@saranonimus9211 But please reply me(honestly)
@@saranonimus9211 To be accurate. I still strongly believe most of my decisions are Stupid But not ignorant about it like in the theory you have mentioned. I am aware of it.
I think its great you understand the holes in what you're saying, which in other words, its great you understand the skepticism of the skeptical
Yes my world view is always updating and is important to me
Don't stress out! We love information, even if it's incorrect. What you see as our criticism of you is mostly just an attempt to understand (or be certain of) what you are saying. We love refining language and trying to glean meaning from what people are saying.
If we have contradicting information in our head we offer that up and welcome all debates! We don't necessarily read the room before to see if the other person is up for it though. Kinda what you mentioned where if they truly believed in what they were saying they should be able to talk extensively about it. We don't really *feel* belief. We know what we believe. We expect you to know why you believe something too and if you like us you would explain it to us so we could understand you better and strengthen social ties.
Unfortunately, unless people know us, they often will see that as confrontation and that we are questionioning their thought process. Therefore they shut off and don't engage in debate. Which can be isolating. Especially if your trying to talk about something you have spent considerable time thinking about.
We go into every discussion believing either we can convince people by explaining our thought process or that they will convince us by explaining theirs.
The worst thing you could do is not share. So please keep making videos! Let us know what you think of us (we can take it😉) and watch the rollercoaster that is all of us having debates in the comments.
Cracked chaos you could not have said that better I agree pretty much 100% and I also like debates and it is difficult not feeling that isolation because of the other person feeling like we're attacking them when really we're just trying to understand and get answers and you are 100% (at least for me) spot on about we're open to ideas and if you have a different belief I want to know but a lot of people seem to take the question wrong and assume we're just being jerks and know-it-alls and that's not the case at all. and it can be very confusing and feeling very misunderstood and in some ways it makes you question why take the time, but it's so hard not to because we just truly want to understand the reasons for a different belief. I don't believe that I can change someone's mind about something but I realize I don't know everything and maybe they can change my mind and I always want to be enlightened and learn something and be up to date knowledge is the most important thing for me I like to know why and if something changes I'm all ears you might change my mind maybe I need another perspective on something. I like to look at the whole picture... anyways you are correct we love information even if it's not right and when we question something about what other people feel is often misinterpreted as arrogance which is unfortunate but I have learned that and recognized to verbally let someone know why I'm asking something and then it is a serious question and I'm not trying to be demeaning in an order to communicate more effectively because I've learned I don't want to offend somebody and we're sometimes not the most aware of how our communication is interpreted. It is refreshing to see other INTP's who think the same way as well as seeing non-INTP's trying to understand us. I feel a little less weird now, LOL!
I personally like all your intp videos mostly because I can sort of tell that you are trying to be as authentic as possible. It's also nice to see myself from a different perspective. (Intp)
'' Not holding back my opinions'' and ' 'sometimes sounding like an asshole'' this is so true expecially when my family criticizes me about not being religious. I feel like sometimes I'm very cruel when I explain why I am not religious and I tend to almost insult people who mock me for it, mainly because these are people that don't even know history or what's in the Bible. I've had a family member say to me '' I don't need to know what's in the Bible that's why I go to church so they tell me'' to me that is horrendous way of looking at things you should never blindly belive something without knowing all the fact and forming an opinion for yourself.
Anyway I'm rambling, loved your video keep it up.
You are spot on about INTP'S . The best description of myself I've listened to so far. Seekers of truth , skeptical of people and established teaching . I must prove everything myself . I do not blindly believe or follow anyone or traditional teaches. The truth and nothing but the truth . I will investigate !!!
Thanks meghan for the videos.. I love ENFJs. Myself learned a lot from ENFJs in my life. Really appreciate your insights ❤️.
From an INTP 4w5
My world view is constantly changing. Updates, improvements, refining and testing everyday.
Im an INTP and I do like this video, the marketplace is more like a mechanicism working its process, but pretty much hit the nail on the head with the rest, and we a weird bunch, so good job
Great video thank you!! You certainly know what you are talking about :)
INTP speaking. Loved this video. There's a lot of chatter about the individual differences between INTP's. I would like to contribute a possible explanation: nature and nurture. MBTI scores really only focus on the former. It's not a stretch to say that individual results may vary on one little point or another.
On another note, I greatly admire the amount of effort you have aptly shown in underatanding viewpoints (in the most basic sense of the word) other than your own. If even a significant minority of us followed your example, the world would suffer less for it.
That cracked me up when you said “intps are so hard to please”. I always say that, “I’m just never satisfied” but I liked your video I think it’s true. -intp
as an INTP i thought that this was a very well-made video. it was VERY COOL AND INSIGHTFUL TO WATCH
Thank you!
I really appreciate your honesty about your struggle with getting this vid out. I am an INTP and have gotten a lot out of your effort. Thank you!
That's true, as someone who uses Ti as my tertiary function I can testify that my views on the world change all the time based on new evidence and observations. My socio-political views now are vastly different from my views from a few yrs back. Ti is amazing, and a very discerning function when well-developed.
You did fine. There’s no way to be 100% about anyone type. I enjoy your videos because it’s a sounding board from outside my own head. I like that you’re so certain of what you think and feel, it’s pretty cool. I’m not this fluid for so long about as many topics. I think you did well, your apprehension around this video makes sense considering how critical we are. But intps can be hypocritical often because we are hard wired to challenge and question. With you I know exactly what I’m getting and dealing with, it’s relieving. I’m always in a process about topics. But if I’ve explored it I know it, unless there’s new info I didn’t explore the case is closed. I tell my ENTJ wife, I may not initiate a conversation but I’m prepared to respond to many conversations. If that makes sense. From an INTP
I'm getting a lot out of this. Where you say we get an ego boost from risking being an outcast for truth is totally true. If I feel the pressure of the world on me to conform in even a minimal way that I feel is wrong or overstepping its authority over me I will fight it just to avoid giving in to the tug of "go along to get along" compromise. I will feel proud of myself for taking an arrow to be true to the framework of my values. If I have no choice I will get passive aggressive. I heard one person say an angry INTP can wield apathy as a super power.
I am a INTP, you did a great job of mixing criticism with affirmation. Thank you for taking the time to do a video about our personality type.
I'm INTP. I love your description. Awsome videos!
Never heard a better explanation of an INTP from a non-INT before. I think you did a great job here...accuracy level close to the highest! Even though we're hard to please...we love appreciating what we like...like commenting on your video and saying it was great!
INTPs are often super chill. don’t worry about making vids for them!!!! the internet is big, many trolls. Speak your truth and you will surely receive respect.
Good assessment!
Lol keep making the intp videos! They're awesome and accurate to a fault. I can see how stressed u feel but the intps that want to point out small differences are just doing their own game. Your stuff is good and u should feel confident in what u say cuz its right. It seems like whenever u get on a role and ur about to say something good u question urself cuz in the back of ur mind u get the PTSDs from intp's trying to tear ur arguments apart but thats just what a lot of us do whether were the one wrong or not. Dont worry about saying it perfect cuz the mature intps catch ur drift and know no ones arguments or presentation are absolutely perfect and like i said before u still slide pretty dang close to it
(I’m an INTP) I love how your emotion shows a little bit in each of your type-life-lessons, it’s a cute bias. I also think it’s helpful so I know other people’s frustrations with my type, obviously I barely see it, or care.
Side note: you ENFP’s are the tits. If I want a guaranteed silly goose time or someone to weave through conflicting thoughts with, I can ALWAYS count on your type.
So true about the courage in speaking our truth. We do (kind of unconsciously) believe that hiding your truth means it’s not really your truth. Of course, we ARE always refining the truth. It’s like algebra- we are always trying to isolate certain truths. We will speak our best working version of the truth (which we have already spent a lot of time considering) but it may be refined and perfected over time.
I am an INTP who subscribed because of an INTP video and loves this kind of content (as well as the rest of it). You’ve helped me see a perspective outside of the INTP realm which is soooo useful. So yeah- we don’t hate you!!! We need you! I think INTPs can figure out almost anything with enough time, BUT we have a blind spot. You seem to live in that blind spot- so a smart and humble INTP would do well to listen to you!
Intp here, absolutely right on the market place of ideas concept and everything else in video. Truth with a minority of one on its side is a majority. Just had insight thanks to your video on the important role INTP's play socially on the evolution (healthy INTP), or stagnation (unhealthy INTP) of society as a whole.
If we critcize its because we care! If we didnt care or respect you we wouldnt waist our time lol. You did great. Thank you for taking the time and care to make it so carefully.
Intps are very critical and since we aren’t very concerned with how our words affect people’s feelings, I can see why you may be frustrated with how blunt we can be when it comes to your videos. You have an obvious chip on your shoulder when it comes to intps, and I’m sure it’s justified, because we can be real cold assholes. Don’t worry about our comments or criticisms about your view of us, because as an intp, I love your videos and am very grateful you take the time to talk about mbti in such a mature and serious way. I appreciate you talking plainly about us, because it helps me see what I need to work on, and to consider how other people see me. Please don’t get discouraged about making intp videos. They’re great
It's the principle of the thing. Man, so true! Yeah I do feel systems need to be in order, so phoning customer support over something relatively minor so they can fix it. I dislike inefficiency. I am an absolute idealist and justice oriented also, a duty to do right. I love to share knowledge when I'm on firm ground, otherwise I don't often speak when in groups. I'm also anti authoritarian, I always question everything to refine it and make sure I know what they want exactly and often why, I frequently won't do something until I know how it all fits together. I'd have been a lousy soldier!
You got everything in the video spot on for me personally. I agree to disagree if someone won't change their mind when I know I'm right lol. It's something I do to avoid a more heated exchange. I also love to play devil's advocate, and support zany theories as maybe there's more ideas to be spawned from that. Thinking for myself is always a priority. So much correctness in this vid. I really liked the video and I don't find anything in it to be pedantic about - a rarity! You're so worried about we mere flesh and blood INTPs but I've heard similar things before with no-one wanting to argue with me! If my approval and appreciation matter then you done good girl :)
Btw I don't really have friendships for emotional reasons :/ I love to talk about anything with friends and I'm loyal..in that I'll never stop being someone's friend but I often go decades between seeing friends and then just pick up where we left off last time. If a friend needs me I'll always have their back (real life permitting) but I'm not great with sympathy, I'm sorta 90% empathy 10% sympathy. To me saying aww or ahh is sufficient if someone grumbles, but I don't give much weight to how other people are feeling - I'm more interested in what they're doing or thinking than what they're feeling at any given time. I have crap on my plate and I don't moan about it so I don't expect anyone else to. Still, at least I'm beginning to see my social flaws more clearly lol. Usually my poking holes is to create improvement in things, but we are quite pokey in general, especially in areas of technology or anything of specific momentary interest until all the information has been assimilated then I skip on to the next thing. I love to banter with my friends and poking holes is part of poking fun too, it's showing rough love. A lot of videos mention a lack of fashion sense or desire to look very vanilla. This particular trait is my son to a tee. He only wants clothes with no labels or transfers etc. I've worked long and hard to learn to dress well and it's become one of the things I tried to master, though if I'm just at home I'll often wear the same shorts for a while, washing them and wearing again. If I like something it tends to become the new thing in rotation, I rarely complete projects but constantly come up with new ideas for them, my son shares many of the same traits now at 12.
You're on point on mostly everything. We can be stressful most of the time and be a jerk for other's goodness.