LUMIX S5 vs. SIGMA fp - LOW LIGHT BATTLE! Who Will Win?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2022
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Today we are testing the SIGMA fp and Lumix S5 to see which one performs better in low light! I think the results will surprise you...
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What do you think? Which one wins in your opinion? Also what camera and lens did I use for the street shoot?!
I have a question for you! I’m considering getting a full frame camera as I’m going to be filming real estate videography and photography, and many houses are dark so I do need to upgrade from MFT. I can get the sigma fp on ebay for about $1000, do you think that would be a solid choice for real estate? Thanks so much!
@@artificial_commenter do you rely on autofocus and do you want to shoot RAW video for the real estate shoots?
@@Ansonandco I don't rely on AF nor do I want to shoot RAW. All I need is full frame, 1080p 60fps, photography capability, maybe IBIS but I do plan on getting a gimbal. I'm trying to stay at a decent budget, and I heard the Sigma fp is very easy to use unlike Sony menus. Thanks for your help!
@@artificial_commenter I think you would do well to consider an S5, the compressed video codecs are far superior to the FP compressed offering. Also you might want to look at flash integration for Photo, the FP has a few quirks in that area. The s5 will do 4k 60fps in crop, but the FP is 1080 only at higher frame rates. Also the FP has no Ibis so fast paced handheld pickup shots will be considerably more challenging. What lenses are you considering?
@@artificial_commenter … Also the scaling to 1080 on the FP is not well done, seems to stem from the lack of processing power and in the body. Have a search for 1080 footage on the tube and let your eyes decide, you know your own clients, real estate often isn’t a overly high bar. I have both bodies btw hopefully speaks to my biases, or lack of…
The fact that there is no noise reduction at all on sigma is mind blow. It also beats sony a7 iii with their state of the art noise reduction system. Im just more happy that I bought sigma fp
Honestly I need to make an update, I debated not giving a conclusive statement and just let people discuss the results. And I probably should have cause after further review the FP holds onto SO much more information in higher ISOs than the s5, now would you lose some of it with NR in post? Maybe. But maybe not as much as the s5. So yes FP is still a beast!
I tested my sigma today in low light with 7artisan 50mm t1.05 half open.
At 12800 iso noise disappeared, but 10000 vas very noisy. I recorded 12 bit raw and mov gop with color set to off. Need to check files to see if that was noise reduction on mov files or dual iso thing 😆
I think the quick comparison video format is great. I think more side by side comparison vs switching back and forth can be easier to compare. I do think adding a quick chart showing price and spec of the cameras would also be nice also sharing what lens you are are using for the test. Keep up the great content.
Noted! That’s so much! I thought about side by side with the ISO but I couldn’t settle on the best way to show it, so that will likely change going forward
Nice comparison brother. I am thinking of upgrading from a7iii for my documentary films. With external recorder fp and s5iix both can record braw. Which one is best according to you? Thank you
A very important and necessary video in my opinion.
Thanks! Glad it landed with you
Sigma fp has better color rendition in low light. The other one's color is quite off.
I just told someone else in the comments, I debated not making a convulsive statement about the results, and letting people just comment what they thought. And I wish I had cause after further review the FP definitely does a better job in low light. I was looking for a ton of noise and while the FP had more noise, it also has a ton more detail and information than the s5.
S5 for sure love your channel...yours
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Any news on new S Body?
Thanks! No news that I’ve heard of! But I’m also not in with lumix
i was between these two cameras and i decided to go with lumix s5 ,stabiliization and better autofocus for me is above the better sharpness on high iso
Both are great cameras for their different reasons. So great call!
very interesting how amazing they both are at those super high ISO settings
Exactly!
Omg it’s Pav! 😄
Amazing video, Which camera would you recommend for someone who shoots 80% video 20% stills. The images I’ve seen produced from the FP are incredible. Thank you for creating this channel.
Thanks! I would honestly say either are not a bad option for video. For me it comes to just the image produced and for that i prefer the fp. But rent them and try it out. I would only use the FP if you want to shoot raw though. Thanks for watching!
@@Ansonandco Thank you, yes I’m looking for something that is going to get me as close to Red Scarlet x 4 quality without the bulkiness.
@@Mikeshyne100 oh nice! Then yeah I would go with the fp
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Fp looks better to my eyes. Seems to have more details. Can’t see the noise properly on my phone though. Haha.
Good call! I was focused on the noise primarily but that is true, it does have some more detail.
A bit late to the table, but my guess is you shot the additional footage on Sigma FP with Sigma 50mm F/2, or possibly their 50mm f/1.4 Art Lens....
Oof, what's up with the s5 color? Was it white balanced properly?
Both were the balance appropriate for a warmer candle lit scene
Love this
🙏🏻 thanks!
Nice, think the footage was shot with sigma. Also, have you compared the sigma with the a7slll?
I will say that one of two are true, either the body or lens was sigma, but not both. Also I will clarify, the lens is not necessarily new to the market, it may also just be new to me…
Also I have not! I feel like the a7siii would be dirty up until it’s second native ISO from what I’ve seen
@@Ansonandco Do you feel like the sigma fp give a more cinema look/feel compared to all the others you've used that you can get for under $5k?
@@Ansonandco Haha I'll guess the lens was sigma but it's tough to tell
@@GETREALLYRICH … 😉
do the FP and the GH6 please?!?!?... Thanks in advance.
I may have to connect with @calebhoover for this one… 🤔
Impossible to see as the YT compressions is so bad here. Getting big squares flickering around. But for me the fp seems to have better details when looking at the skull. Would have been easier without the flickering/flaring.
Yeah I uploaded in 4k, it is way easier to see the detail on a larger screen in 4k. The noise is mostly in the eyes of the skull
@@Ansonandco Only have a laptop with HD with me at the moment 🙂 But I guess the S5 also has some NR or if you used lossy BRAW vs CDNG, I would expect it too. Loss of details at high ISOs (in my eyes) on the S5 could indicate more NR. Don't know as I don't thinkn you mentioned how it was recorded. At any rate both are very capable. For stills then my experience is that my fp has an edge on my s5. I only use the s5 for stills where I need mechanical shutter or IBIS, so have not tested filming with it too much. Nice video by the way, forgot to say that in my first reply
Internal 10bit 422 on the s5. But I didn’t even think of the loss of contrast or sharpness at higher ISOs. So definitely a good call. The FP with some noise reduction would probably come out better overall. But definitely both are very capable! Thanks for the love ✌🏻
Sorry to point this out, the amount of banding you have (in all viewing resolutions by the way ... and in all different browsers i have checked this with) ... on the skull footage, on both cameras, is simply insane. (And no its not the terrible youtube compression but some kind of coloring process and or output mastering error.) 4K cDNG 12 bit footage correctly processed does not look like this, not in facebook not in youtube (to name the worse platforms in terms of quality). I have no idea what happened there, as the sources of banding can be multiple. But my 2 cent feedback is, you do not do justice to any of the two cameras with this. In fact while looking for the first time I was severely distracted by the banding, so that practically the low light noise was irrelevant. Sorry to be blunt ... I know we live in the b/w times of "like, like, like" or "cancel"... I do like your videos and in fact it was your channel along with one other that made me buy the sigma FP some time ago. Have a nice day.
No worries at all. I didn’t notice a ton of banding in the raw footage but I’ll double check and maybe put a side by side still on my community page. Thanks for the heads up!
So I looked at the original rendered file of the video, I noticed banding in the first shot of the FP but none in either after that. You’re saying you see it in all the shots?
@@Ansonandco Hi, thanks for the reply. I am talking strictly about the candle-light-skull footage comparison only. The young mans portrait - night shots - have "no" banding, if at all, some rectangular artifacts in the shadows (but do not know which camera ... I guess though it will be the Panasonic 4:2:2 with the rectangular artifacts.. but just guessing on this one). The skull footage has in all monitors that I checked it with, including a reference one, heavy, heavy, heavy, "flashing" banding. It looks like 2 bit footage on steroids ... :-) ... I have seen nothing like this in all your videos. So i guess something weird happened with that skull image sequence ... Normally I do not write in YTube but it is so horrible that I thought you might want to know ... (I even thought omg ... what is wrong with my monitors for a sec...) By the way no big deal about all of this just saying ... Keep up the good work and have a nice weekend.
P.S.: ... and probably most viewers "consume" TH-cam on their phones ... so they actually see "nothing" ... 🤣 So no worries man, do not loose time over this.
I wanted to comment exactly this. I watched the video in a 65" TV and the fp footage has terrible banding to they point that noise levels is irrelevant...
Did you ever announce who won that lens? 🤔
I reached out privately first, will be announcing shortly 😬
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@@Ansonandco Congrats to the winner... I guess! 🥺
@@newfoundmass I can’t remember do you use L mount?
@@Ansonandco I do! A fellow S5 user!
New Sigma 45mm f/2 I-series lens (sharp like the 35mm and 65mm) is what I hope for 🙂, but then you won't be able to say that ;) So probably an existing lens from another brand. I guess around 75/85mm.
You’re close with the brand…
@@Ansonandco Hmm the 24mm 1.4 and 20mm 1.4 are new, but if the first clips are representative, then I would have guessed a longer focal length. Perhaps the 20mm 1.4. It also looks like hand held and without IBIS, so I guess fp from the first clips, but perhaps you took the s5 to get the IBIS for the event. I guess sigma 20mm 1.4 with sigma fp
@@innstikk oh so damn close… right aperture wrong focal and camera 😉 I should also clarify… i didn’t specify HOW new or whether it was just new TO ME
@@Ansonandco Ah, Sigma 85mm 1.4 with s5 (I guess this as that would give the IBIS a bit work) ;-) (of course unless you went for a HSM lens)
@@innstikk ooooooh that is my next purchase but in a much more expensive variant… 😉
The FP looks like film, the S5 looks like digital video. The hight light roll off of the S5 is really noticable. The top of the skull head was blown out by the candle, but the Sigma retained the detail.
The image was darker, noise was significantly lower on the S5
I agree. I own both cameras. The S5 is a great camera but has a digital look while the FP looks more filmic.
Pick one (as I need to do):
1. Sigma FP
2. Lumix S5
And why ... 🤔
FP and for the fact that you get full cinema DNG
@@Ansonandco OK case closed
FP it is ... 👊👊👊
Quickly another question
What do you use for editing ?
Windows or Mac ?
@@dark-california Mac for sure. But that’s probably because of what I’m used to
@@Ansonandco On a ThinkPad with Resolve Studio
But I hear the M1 is apparently so fast
So thinking to get a MacBook Air or Pro M1
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Nice Sir
Thanks Ajay!
@@Ansonandco You are welcome sir
The lumix is noise reduced in camera
Good call!
My thoughts! I’d love to see a comparison of both to prores raw. On paper I’d expect the FP to win as the downside of ibis is worse thermal management and noise.
Laowa 58 f2.8 on the fp
Not quite! But good guess
I should also clarify the lens is not necessarily new to the market, it may also just be new to me…
Laowa 58mm 2.8 sigma FP
That is the second guess for that set up! Y’all liked that laowa 😉 not quite but thanks for guessing!
It's one hell of a lens
@@jeremiahesturco9555 it is indeed
I should also clarify the lens is not necessarily new to the market, it may also just be new to me…
FP выглядит однозначно лучше. Панас весь покраснел и не дал впечатления кинушности.
S5 a little better. The noice is a bit more uniformed....just a bit...
Good point!