Fast and Peppy!? 2022 Toyota Tundra i-FORCE MAX Hybrid First Drive and Towing Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- In this review, Jill Ciminillo gets behind the wheel of the new 2022 Toyota Tundra i-FORCE MAX Hybrid for the first time. She discusses the new engine, a towing test, real world MPG numbers, pricing, and driving impressions. Based on the numbers alone, the Hybrid looks like a winner, but what about long-term ownership factors? Tell us what you think in the comments!
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Great informative video!
While I get the idea of putting someone with little to no towing experience to review towing with this truck, I would have loved to hear feedback from someone that tows regularly with various trucks and drivetrains to get more experienced critiques of the way this iForce Max tows. Hope to see some additional reviews from y’all.
I was exposed to Covid, so I couldn’t go. I thought Jill did a great job filing in.
Ah, that’s no fun. Looking forward to seeing you in upcoming videos.
@@harold-miller thanks for understanding. You bet I'll be doing more towing with it later this Spring/Summer when I get a chance.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Jill did a fantastic job! Wishing you the best with your health. BTW, love the channel and the videos!!!
@@Pickuptrucktalk How does Covid exposure keep you from driving a truck with a trailer?
Love JILL! Great video.
People wanted better MPGs, not better towing numbers.
The added cost and complexity will never be recouped, especially by a customer base that often uses their pick-up as a commuter car and rarely ever as a tow vehicle.
Agreed! Toyota seems to be targeting a very specific demographic of customers with their new "lifestyle truck" and I struggle to envision who they are and what they prioritize.
No me. I want more HP, torque, and towing ability. I don’t understand the focus on mileage in the luxury truck segment. If you’re gonna pay $70k for a truck built for off road ventures, which has higher insurance premiums and routine maintenance cost, what is a few more dollars for gas? The difference in the gas money is minimal. I fully understand it for a work truck, but a TRD Pro and as Capstone is not a work truck
Sorry the hybrid is geared more for power not mpg
@@SignalCorps1 70k and not worried about mpg buy 3/4 ton
@@jeffforbes70 Or if you are worried about it buy a Tacoma or Ranger
I would like to know is when the truck is idling , for example when you’re in park or waiting at a stop light is the battery on instead of the gas engine?
Andre at TFL did a mileage comparison between the regular Toyota and his F150 hybrid. He got 36 mpg on the loop in the Ford not towing.When he reset the trip meter for the test it was averaging 22.4.
Just saw a SR5 in person (finally) yesterday. Really nice looking, IMO, because that Fu Manchu “chrome” grill outline component was red like the rest of the truck. MUCH less busy, much more polished than anything else. Seeing one in person made me cancel my F-150 order. It’s fine for what I need, as long as the reliability is still there.
Good to hear. I was considering looking at the F150. Still haven’t seen the new Tundra in person yet.
reliability in the 2022 Tundra??? hahaha. Take off your rose colored glasses Jay, the new Tundra is a pile of problems
Towing fuel economy?
Nice review. At 5:07, Greg talks about the trailer calibration system - is that for every iForce Max model?
Yes.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Perfect. Honestly the 1st video of many I've watched that spoke about that. Nice!
People that are disappointed with the fuel economy probably shouldn't be looking at a full-size truck. Actually, based on the EPA numbers both this one and the non-hybrid are competitive. Time will tell if Toyota has been able to maintain their reputation for quality and durability. I would likely be looking at a non-hybrid 4x4 Platinum or a 1794. I would like to see one in person before pulling the trigger
I totally agree, particularly in the luxury truck segment. Why would someone that is going to shell out $70k for an off-road spec’d luxury truck which has higher insurance premiums and routine maintenance cost gripe about an extra $25 per 1,000 miles. It’s either people not understanding the math or just virtue signaltig
13:40.
I want to say I enjoyed your video. Great review. As a current Tundra V8 owner my issue is the entry cost. I paid $48,800 for a 2021 TRD Pro Tundra double cab and I can tow 9900 lbs, 1450 lbs cargo weight, and average 15.5 city and 18.7 highway. These are my lifetime numbers according to my onboard computer.
To get the Limited Trim TRD Off Road 2022 Which I think is relatively similar package as what I have in the 2022 model, and then speced it out as generic as I could minus the off road items that I have on my TRD Pro, and the price is $59,762. That is an $11,000 difference and that is with the regular 3.5L TT6. To get the Hybrid you bring that price to $63,162. That difference is $14,362.
I would have to drive 257,000 miles to break when comparing the combined mileage on the 5.7L V8 to the 3.5L TT6 and 315,000 miles to break even on the Hybrid Iforce Max.
This goes for any V8 truck if you can get it for less than $49,000 which I highly recommend you do.
I agree! It just doesn’t make financial sense to buy this truck!
Try to buy any truck now and you will f150 or chevy is going to cost more...period
Only in Canada you say ???
I just ordered one from Ontario.
2022 Toyota Tundra Crewmax Limited Hybrid. $83,000 all in.
Ouch. Yes its ridiculous BUT, what does a person do ?
@@frankthompson3495 isn’t the MSRP ~$69,500 CAD for that truck?
@@numedeutilizator9868
Hi,
Yes, something like that but I got options, accessories, extended warranty, etc...
My previous comment said ALL IN. That's including ALL fees, taxes, options, acc...
Jill, that Tundra looks massive next to you!
So did the quad ATVs.😁
I'd love to say it was the camera angle, but ...
@@jillciminillo 4'9" in heels? :-)
@@jw8578 5’3 in heels 😬
So question is. After 300 miles I'm guessing the battery is depleted. Your now on v6. How's the transmission on 7000lbs in Arizona.
If I drive my 21 Tundra Pro easy up to 55mph like you did, I can get 20mph too ..
Do we know pricing on the trd pro, and when we can order one?
Here is the pricing and mpg: Official 2022 Toyota Tundra iForce Max Hybrid MPG and price
th-cam.com/video/hjrwGRo3NyY/w-d-xo.html
You can probably put down a deposit today.
Was the 17 when towing? If so that’s pretty good even though the loop was small and speeds were low. What is your opinion comparing the Toyota vs Ford PowerBoost as far as power when driving?
No, not when towing. Power numbers are better with the Tundra over the Powerboost. Here is the spec by spec comparison: pickuptrucktalk.com/2022/02/tundra-hybrid-vs-f-150-powerboost-a-look-at-pricing-power-and-payload/
@@Pickuptrucktalk power numbers yes. But as one of the few people that have driven and towed with both what’s the real world towing comparison?. Because the power number difference on paper in my opinion is negligible.
I wonder why Toyota didn't let the driver select the power vs fuel economy tradeoff.
1:30 That is a big gap from the grill to the engine bay. Would hate to work on that as a technician
exactly
What are the payload numbers?? Probably the most important number for towing heavy with a 1/2 ton. Hoping it comes in north of 1500lbs.
Max Payload ranges from 1485 (Capstone, only one below 1575) to 1940, depending on configuration.
Thanks for replying. However, another channel drove a Capstone that had a payload of 1330lbs. As per the ”B” pillar. Can you tell me the payload on the red Limited that Jill test drove?
@@malinois3888 Toyota didn’t send us an official number on each vehicle.
Toyota does not need to send you that number. It’s the big sticker on the lower portion of the “B” pillar….yeah..
That’s a whiff, sorry. Like your channel but you missed that one.
@@malinois3888 Yep, it was an oversight on our part.
This was a big miss for Toyota. If they made the battery pack bigger and allowed the EV motor to run at higher speeds (I think 18 mph is the shut off?) then this truck could of reached the high 20's in mpgs. Then it would of really been a game changer for the truck world, I love Toyota but just not impressed this time around
Same here
Considering this is a throw away truck that you trade in before the warranty expires, you really shouldn’t expect much
Down the Road reliability will be seen with time from a Hybrid . I’ve owned two Tundras since 2005 and the V8 has been trouble free with long time ownership. I’m taking the wait and see attitude since having a 2016 Tundra and not being in a hurry to upgrade. My extent of repairs has been standard maintenance such as tires,brakes,oil changes period. Knowing my truck will take me there and get me home with no issues is very reassuring.👍
Yup....sticking w/ my '16 Limited until all bugs fixed on new Tundra
The Prius has been doing it since 2000 😉
Anybody who has a last gen tundra with the v8 has had that truck for quite some time so they have learned to live with the worse mpg and it doesn't bother them as much anymore the new tundra is to quiet I like the rumble of the duel exhaust in the v8 toyota said this truck was going to be a world beater but it wasn't the truck wasn't mind blowing to some people which is why most will hang on to there last gen tundra
The torque curve of a diesel with cleaner emissions of a modern gasoline engine, less maintenance costs and increased reliability.
Would like Toyota to consider a larger hybrid lithium battery to increase fuel economy and proper hybrid digital monitoring systems from their other platforms. ❤️My Lexus RX450h hybrid AWD, 35 mpg highway, 29 mpg city.
This throw away truck does not come anywhere near a diesel truck in term of towing.
@@troyb4533 In terms of only torque, the Toyota Tundra hybrid does have a torque curve of a diesel which is only 15% of the “why” people purchase diesels and diesels for towing.
Toyota is NOT going to sway any measurable amount of diesel users to switch to this underperforming hybrid system.
In fact the hybrid system cost vs the disappointing small gain in fuel economy is not worth the additional cost, weight and complexity of the hybrid system. Toyota has already lost many of their v8 customers, including our organization.
For current diesel owners, fuel economy, long term durability, reliability and true towing capability, diesel owners will keep and repurchase their and our Ford PowerSstroke’s, GM Duramax’s, Ram Cummins’s for all their and our towing and heavy payload applications.
Toyota’s huge mistake for USA V8 customers:
if we want more torque, complexity expensive system than our Toyota v8, we are switching to a diesel counter part that has more hp & torque, superior fuel economy, durability and longevity., than the new Toyota Tundra, Sequoia and 4Runner hybrid systems.
To replace our 4Runner, we are going with the GM 3.0l Duramax Diesel.
To replace our Toyota Tundra’s v8, going with Ford F-250 PowerStroke, and Ram 1500 & GMC 1500 diesels.
In conclusion, the Toyota Tundra hybrid for towing is a total joke. The huge additional cost for the Toyota Hybrid Tundra, Sequoia and 4Runner doesn’t justify the ROI. A diesel from Ford, Ram and GM DOES. A scientific data fact Toyota clearly is 100% ignorant and arrogant about.
-Nothing personal, just business it’s the “ROI stupid”
Has Toyota stated what the warranty for the battery pack is or cost to the consumer at “x” number of years??
Nope.
It’s 10 years or 150k miles
What about gas mileage during your towing?
That's really hard to tell during a 17-mile loop. Tim will likely get a hybrid test truck, and I expect he'll do a full towing test when he does.
i was thinking that myself that all the fuel figure's mentioned in this are either from Toyota or from Jill driving on her 17mile loop unloaded , not with a the trailer attached.
In my opinion it seems that Toyota was content to keep the Tundra a niche player with the direction they went, especially with the Hybrid. Yeah it drives nice when towing, but unless you are towing something on the small side on a regular basis you are going to get a HD truck.
I hope they go the other direction with the new Tacoma, the powertrain in the Sienna would be great in it. Just make sure it has significantly more room in the back seat.
I've towed a 10k trailer for over 13 years with my 08 Tundra and it has been a champ. Why people who don't tow thinks everyone needs a HD truck if you tow sizable loads makes no sense. The new Tundra will tow better than my v8 Tundra and get better gas mileage doing it
What do the payload numbers look like on these hybrid models? I wonder how much you can actually pull, and how much those batteries will cripple its capability. That trailer probably only weighs around 4500 lbs. Fuel mileage is not impressive for a hybrid, I get better than that with my 2018 gasser for 20 grand less.
Payload is a good question and something we missed. Sorry about that. We will try to get payload numbers on some of the hybrids IF they have them on display next week in Chicago.
The exact same truck and trailer towed by TFL said 1330 lbs. No way you can tow 10,000 with that number. At least 1100 lbs tongue weight will overload the rear axle and truck once one passenger is added
They just released a separate video to address this
Jill …… for THAT Cost …… I can purchase a loaded 3/4 Ton RAM DIESEL !!!!!!! And that would tow my house 🏡 !!!
Toyota is missing the Ball TOTALLY!
Thank You for the review …. Excellent.
You stirred me Directly AWAY from an anticipated TOYOTA Purchase. You saved me tremendous buyers remorse ….. Thank YOU !!!!
🤗
The main issue with the old Tundra was fuel economy. Tundra owners wanted better fuel economy not a truck that is not much better in real life. I am a loyal toyota owner but a big let down again with the hybrid.
Just keep in mind the math. The difference between 20mpg vs 25mpg is $26 per !,000 miles based upon $2,60/gal which is the current price where I live. I’m not trying to dismiss your comment, but I don’t understand spending $60k on a luxury truck that has higher insurance premiums and routine maintenance and then worrying about $26 per 1000 of extra gas. Again just running the numbers.
You know when the hypid tundra are going to released on the market?
They are just starting to build them, so by the end of March or April.
I was told August. Could even be a year. Or more. Could be less.
Its hard to tell with the electronic parts shortage.
The "hybrid" nobody asked for. Won't surprise me if the added weight of the mild hybrid system translates to lower real-world fuel economy than the non-hybrid version.
My question or concern to this new engine is
It’s very low Mpg , I was expecting higher since is hybrid cause what’s the point to buy a hybrid if the mpg is technically worst than the regular tundra,
So what we are saying here is that the hybrid one is worst because you can’t even have long bed …
No good toyota..
You can get the 6.5 ft bed in crew max with the hybrid.
When she stands next to the truck, the truck looks huge. This may be a good thing. My wife is 5ft tall so maybe I can encourage her to drive the massive Tundra if I ever het one 😬.
is there a sound issue ?
Sound issue?
They pump in v8 sounds into cabin
Would a V8 Hybrid be good?
Hard to say since nobody has done one that I can recall.
I think Mercedes has a SUV with that combo. Or Maybach. Don’t know the numbers, but that’s some serious badassery.
I wouldn't be a Jill review if she didn't climb on something or hide in the trunk! 🤣👍
:D
Buy a half ton with 3.0 liter diesel. You will get 30 mpgs on the highway and 11-15 towing depending on the weight. Can’t beat ‘em! Toyota f upped not coming out with a diesel. This new motor in the tundra is gonna have a lot of issues. I would waited 3 years before buying one.
I bet Toyota wished it focused more on economy than being a towing machine
I wish they would have given you something around 10k pounds to tow like a travel trailer instead of a lightweight trailer with ATVS on them.
I thought a 5,800-pound trailer was decent sized. But yes, something even heavier would have be a great idea, so you have the three levels of towing instead of two.
@@jillciminillo yeah it would be interesting seeing how it performs towing with heavy weight attached to it.
Complete fail this time around. The hybrid mpg are laughable.
I remember not long ago when Toyota promised world changing? lmao still waiting.........
When did they promise that?
Your momma promised she would get an abortion, then 9 months later you were born.
v8 or turn snowflake, next
Why not pull the same loads on both. This review makes no sense comparing an lime to an orange for load. That silver trailer should have been on the hybrid. Isn't ford hybrid 24mpg?
Considering the batteries cut off at a very low mph, I wasn't surprised at the numbers and I don't think they are that far off the F150. With the Hybrid you are carrying around a huge battery pack in order to get full power out of the engine on those rare moments (and a little city driving assistance). The problem is I want 437 HP and 5XX Ft-Lbs of torque! When my neighbor points to his Silverado with the 6.2L V8 engine and starts bragging, I can say lets get on the highway.
I have the 2021 F150 hybrid. Getting 22 around town. Looked at the toyota and it was about availability. The ford won.
I'm more impressed with your teeth than I am the truck.
I waited for this truck and I am really disappointed. I don't know who Toyota is listening to. For people who offroad you don't put tow hooks. For people who use it mainly on road, you don't improve fuel mileage enough. I think the Hybrid hurts the payload to much to really tow the trailers that people want to tow with these trucks. The only reason I still am even considering this truck is reliability.
3500 pounds? What kind of test is that
This truck continues to disappoint
V - 8 ……. Simple, Proven, logical ………
Progress is NOT Always forward !!!
I could change the dynamics of any motor with Accessories, but why complicate and increase complexity and C O S T ?!?!?!?!
How Silly TOYOTA ………
🙃
Modern advancements to certain V8s have made them quite complicated as well.
Very True Alan, but I don’t need to Turbo, SUPER, Hybrid a V-8 ….. to get IT to TOW !!
Nuff said ☺️
Lol yeah, have fun replacing that crappy ass battery once warranty expires.
This new tundra is a throw away truck. Nothing more.
Almost looks like Chevy pickup
Fix your audio levels. Wearing headphones while watching when you switch from talking to the music absolutely destroys my ears. Level/normalize that stuff out!
We're trying some new things with the editing, and didn't notice that on our end, but we'll try to do better next time. Sorry.
I think that the main customer base of Toyota Tundra cares more about the reliability than the other things Toyota did not offer with the gen 2 Tundra compared to the trucks Big 3 have offered.
I bought 21 Tundra and inside the trucks it feels like it was designed 20 years ago. Why did I still choose that new, but old truck? Because I care about reliability more than other things. I guess some or more of the Toyota customers will wait and see whether that new engine is reliable and the truck is overall reliable too. I am not a hater of the new Tundra, but it is a very ugly truck. Look at the new Sequoia, it is a beautiful SUV and looking at it, I can take the risk of having a V6TT, but I would not do that for the Tundra.
The new tundra is a throw away truck.
You drive it till the warranty is about to expire and trade it in.
@@troyb4533 I think you make a good point, but I want to keep my cars/trucks until the wheels come off. Those things are getting very expensive and I feel if longer I keep them more I get from them. Hopefully, Toyota will be able to prove me wrong with the new engine setup.
Many of those who post reviews on vehicles like this person knows nothing of towing vehicles . Reviews. are often payed by the manufacturer $ 10 000 per vehicle . Hotel & other perks also given out . Do your home work in purchasing anything . Look over the stats . Talk to owners & get first hand information .
Lmao.
it looks like a bus next to her
Really disappointed Tundra fans waited so long for this truck .I think the truck is a fail in so many ways it looks like it was just slapped together .
Whatever you do, don't tie her hands. She may not be able to talk w/o them. 😄
I am a Toyota guy. But this is a disappointing failure.
Towing at 55mph is not realistic.
I do it all the time.
@@Pickuptrucktalk wait. Didn’t you say in your video that you don’t tow because you live in Chicago? I have a 21ft travel trailer and I tow all the time. I try to stay at 65 mph to strike a sweet spot between good MPG and safety. I get people pass me and give me a look like I’m driving a Prius.
@@longtu01 There are multiple people on this channel. Jill lives in Chicago, Tim lives in Nebraska. Tim tows the most and often at 55 mph. It isn't unrealistic to tow 55 mph. People do it all the time.
You have to ask yourself, what's the point? 11 MPG towing at 50% capacity? That's horrendous. ANY truck made in the last 25 years will do that. Power? Any 3/4 ton diesel on the market will trounce the shit out of this hybrid engine. Reliability? Small turbo engines in pickups have proven to be unreliable compared to N/A engines in the same trucks and also have less average longevity. Just ask Ford about that. So what exactly is the point here?
beating era treadmill.not real world results
The point is to produce throw away trucks and keep people coming back every couple years before the warranty expires for a new truck.
I’m not buying the hybrid & kind a little disappointed with MPG Hey y want more power y need more gas and I’m surprised Torque at low RPM
Ya know 🙄
This lady's voice is really annoying, couldn't get passed it during the review
Is the guy sitting next to you about to perform surgery? why is he wearing that mask? woah a 3,500lb trailer. same rating as my wifes minivan.
This is California and masks were required.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Required lmao. guess the governor of Calif didn't get that memo. only for the peasants or sheep are they required.
@@pryme2013 When you are in the emergency room with an O2 of 80% and falling because your sheep de-wormer isn't working are you going to ask for "thoughts and prayers" and post a sad story with a GoFundMe so strangers can take care of your wife and kids since their dad was too selfish and bullheaded to do so himself?
@@user-mh5qg5jb7d Well been listening to Fauci? who got the Aids thing wrong FYI. Vermont most vaxed state and Israel most vaxed country are have real problems with this Plandemic. It's a personal choice so keep it to yourself.
Because he's an obedient slave.