My dad runs a logging business and the F-150 Hybrid was the first "modern" tech I got him to agree would actually help him onsite. But he decided it was cheaper to just retired instead. lol
They definitely should have polled current tundra owners on this! I think they dropped the ball. That could have been a great wow factor item for the truck’s reveal. Maybe that will turn out to be a carrot in the near future to keep sales up.
Agreed it was a miss to only have 400watts of 120v. I'm not needing 2000 - 7,200 watts all day long like a contractor; that is a better use case for a generator. But 400 watt isn't enough for most thing like running power tools for a short period of time, or charging electric motorcycle batteries or boat batteries as you drive down the road (mine draw about 600 - 1,200 watts). So at least put the 1,500 inverter from the Toyota minivan in. I'm sure they will for next year. Toyota either just didn't have time to design it in, didn't want to deal with it, wanted some features to add later, and just get people hyped about it. Toyota's comment about owners not needing it and to use a generator was short sited. I don't want to load, unload, secure a generator for small jobs or needing power while driving. And you don't always know when you'll need the power and so may not have generator along. They will get the message and add something for the second model year is my guess.
Yep, Toyota dropped the ball on the inboard generator for sure. I have a early early reservation (like 10 minutes on the presentation) of the Ford Lighting. Both the Lighting and the hybrid Ford 150 are game changers
Live in Texas and face power outages multiple times a year. I have a $500 generator just sitting in my garage taking up space. Really wanted a tundra and was hopeful they would compete with Ford in the onboard generator category. They don’t understand their target market very well which is really sad since in general they make great vehicles. I will be buying a Ford specifically for the generator capabilities
I don't get whats not to understand unless they just live under a rock. You don't have to do a survey, just look at the comments and the stories of people powering their homes with their F150! They either didnt think of it until ford did it and have to do more R&D before debuting their own, or they're just stubborn like they were with not putting a rear diff lock on the current Tundra.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix you do know the Tundras have a diff lock...I own one with all the gadgets. i don't need an on board generator just a reliable good off road 4x4 that won't break down on me every other month
@@Adrian-jh5cr my comment is from over 2 years ago when the Tundra at that time 2nd gen) did not have a diff lock. None of the 2md gen Tundras had one. I know, I looked several times. It wasn't until this 3rd gen that they offered it. But I still prefer the Tundra, just not a big fan of this new one.
I have to agree with you, as much as I’m old school and dislike the fact of going hybrid. that power on board is a great selling feature and could turn around someone like me into buying a hybrid.
I agree 100%. When I saw '400W' for that outlet on the Tundra I was perplexed. I can see a 400W outlet in the cab for laptops, chargers, etc. but in the BED of the truck you want to power TOOLS! There's a lot to like about the new Tundra but that outlet isn't it.
Totally agree that Toyota should have provided this option. I’m buying a truck in the next 6 months primarily for towing the travel trailer I have on order. This will probably be the deciding factor for me to purchase the Powerboost instead of the Tundra.
You are 100% right! I am a big fan of Toyota products, looking for the first truck, and I am currently debating in between the Powerboost and the new Tundra. I am afraid that the missing onboard power and missing storage under the rear seats is pushing me toward the Ford. They definitely dropped the ball in this aspect and the little details do matter !
I would think twice with the Ford. I had a new 2019 F150 STX V8, 10 speed transmission. First 5 k miles it used 4.4 quarts of oil, Second 5k used 4 quarts, was said by Ford this is what they for breaking in. Next there was a loud metal clunk when starting engine 30% of the . Next the info center would go blank more times than I liked. Ford said it’s under warranty and did not turn a wrench on anything. Long story short I dumbed it at 15k. I am now driving a Toyota with 0 problems.
Completely agree! Missed opportunity. I’m sure they will have to upgrade this at some point in the future. Knowing how slow Toyota is, I’m guessing the 2027 Tundra
I have been the biggest Toyota fan boy for nearly 30 years...until I saw the F150 powerboost hybrid with ProPower. Like you're pointing out Tim, it's hard to realize how big of a game changer having 7.2Kw anywhere you can park your truck is until you own one yourself. I bought one in April and it's been by far the most capable and useful vehicle I could have ever imagined.
@@CRVgarage Easily...just last week I went camping and used it to power a griddle which is less than an electric stove (about 1kw). A full size electric kitchen stove is only around 3kw so if you're ambitious you can bring two full-size kitchen electric stoves and still have power for a microwave.
Great info. I totally agree with the hybrid with power generator on board. I'm a total GM fan boy but the f150 that you had was the first Ford that caught my attention. I was pissed the GM didn't do it. There's millions of us that have a serious need for power on board and can always use it.
Loved the tacoma, the automatic transmission always shifting drove me nuts. I had a 2019 Cement TRD OR traded it in on the ‘20 Silverado 3.0 diesel. I wish the Tacoma would come out in a diesel.
I own 17 limited has the same transmission shifting issues. Sold it then got 18 limited, still have the same issues. Sold it again. Love the Taco, but will never buy it again.
Lots of great points! I agree with you when you said that the onboard power changes the game. I too have lots of battery powered equipment that I use around my property. I depend on them when working long distances from the house. However, many of them tend to be awkward and unnecessarily heavy, due to the excess weight from a larger battery. If I have some onboard power, I think I might replace some of those battery operated ones with corded versions.
Yes I think you are right it was a huge miss not putting a generator on board. Especially how far between they do a new truck. Hopefully they will realize and put one in on a refresh in a year or two.
I own a 2014 Tundra and I'm in the market over the next few months on getting a new truck. I have a small Camper and I love doing boondocking. The Pro Power on the F150 is a game changer for Boondocking. I was amazed to find out Toyota did not do the same thing as the Pro Power. Toyota really messed up on that. Toyota is known by boondockers and for them to not think of the outdoors people is absolutely amazing to me. The Pro Power for my camper is the exact reason I'm going with the F150 over the Tundra. It's a game changing feature, and I bet Toyota does it on the 2024 model, but unfortunately I don't want to wait two more years or more for it.
I am a locksmith with a full size van and am patiently waiting for a manufacturer to produce a hybrid or all electric full size van. In our one van alone we spend about $500/month in fuel, additionally we have to wire an inverter for our machines (currently 1500 watt inverter.)
I fully agree with your sentiment. I think not offering a true competitor to the F-150 Powerboost was a big time miss on the new Tundra. 7200 watts on the F-150 versus 400 watts on the Tundra is not remotely comparable.
I'm a tundra fan, have had mine since 08. I like the new tundra but I feel they tried making a car into a truck and left the work horse in the stable with this one. Maybe I'm wrong. Thanks for sharing and all you do. Be safe and be blessed!
You just helped me understand my Toyota Tacoma using the power outlet. I never paid attention between the 400 and 100 Watts. Now when I get home I will test it out and see if it works better. Thank you.
ALSO you are slowly killing all your electric tools by running them on a lower power. When there is not enough power supplied to the tool it will run hotter and eventually destroy your armature. I would run a light bulb off of that but not my power tools especially at a extended period of time.. Toyota does make a quality vehicle just years behind in technology. My belief is they stay away from cutting edge tech to keep the reliability up, so it’s a trade off on what you want… But glad to see your going for the Tundra, I’m looking forward on your reviews on this vehicle, good and bad.
Tim, you are right about Toyota not bothering with fleet/commercial Tundra sales. I work in mechanical construction and I never see Tundras being used period! Ford on the other hand pretty much owns commercial sales and makes affordable, functional trucks. Just remember all the equipment on your last F150: like the work bench tailgate, the work table console, all the tie downs, and of course the 7.2 KW generator. That is what is needed to run an air compressor all day for a framing crew along with worm drive saws. Tundra is a high end Suburban home owner, commuter vehicle, weekend warrior, truck and is simply not equipped to serve as a basic job site work truck. Toyota makes an excellent product, it just serves a different purpose and is equipped as such.
My uncle has a hybrid f150 as a contractor. He uses the plug to keep his batteries charged after everyday. While he is going from site to site or driving to lunch etc, his batteries are constantly charged.
Thanks I'm glad you covered this. It is important to mention that Ford's pro-power options are only available with Hybrid drivetrains since they have the larger/additional batteries needed to support their 2-7.2kw systems.
Not true. The base Pro Power Onboard configuration is a 2.0-kW system only available on gas-powered Ford F-150 models equipped with either a 2.7-liter V6, a 3.5-liter V6, or a 5.0-liter V8. The only engine that does not offer the Pro Power Onboard system is Ford's 3.3-liter V6. With the 2.0-kW system, the engine sends power to a pair of 120-volt, three-prong outlets in the truck bed. This system provides up to 2,000 watts of power to anything plugged into them, which is a significant upgrade over the 400 watts of energy available from most truck bed outlets.
Man I need a pick up truck as my kids' motocross racing gets more serious but I've been blessed with the power output of my Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV 2018 with 2 x 1500 watt plugs. I've been able to charge the battery at home using a Level 2 charger then driving to the track in hybrid mode (saves the battery with capacity of 8 kwh). Takes 2 days of camping to deplete the battery from cooking and charging ebikes and other batteries. In 20 mins I'm able to use the gas in the car to charge back the 8 kwh battery with minimal gas. The Ford Powerboost is the closest thing to my SUV while I'm sure the Rivian and future Cybertruck will be able to do the same. Sure I could just get a gas generator but campers have to turn those off at 11 pm while I can use my car all day and night to keep things charging including my Go Sun 1.1 kwh tent battery which keeps our fridge going.
I miss my Tacoma 120v outlet, that's the only thing I miss. They can have that 3.5 piss engine. I have a V8 Tundra TRD Pro but it needs the outlet in the bed or a portable generator.
This is the best argument I've seen yet to get the F-150 hybrid with the generator, Toyota drop the ball on this one. And this is coming from a tundra owner, who really doesn't like Ford, but the F-150 hybrid is enticing.
It has been years since I ever corded up any of my home tools. EGO Power has fulfilled all of my needs across the board. I will be fine with the single 400 W plug. I got lots more to be consider about the new Tundra than the single plug. But thanks for a good presentation.
Is the plug in the bed disabled while driving? Like can you run a small chest refrigerator in the bed, or charge a large battery inverter while driving across the country?
Huge miss. Anyone that camps frequently or farms would be doing themselves a huge disservice in choosing the Tundra imax over the F-150 powerboost. Typical Toyota always 5 years behind...
I see a house back there. You know it has power? Have an extension cord? I bet I could count on one hand how many times over the last 20 years that I could have used the tech in a Powerboost. I'm 45 and the ideal consumer. Bought a 2021 Tundra. Haven't missed that tech yet and know I will not either. I have a bed and can throw a generator and air compressor in there.
This was a very well-done segment. I am sure once it's obvious onboard generators are driving sales for competitors they will get added, but they should have lead with that instead of playing catch up later. There truly were some innovative features such as their work with reducing drag for better fuel economy and the elbow button to open the tailgate but it seems they are not really paying attention to what people are shopping for.
So lame they didn't put the 1500 watt inverter from the other Toyota hybrids. It would have been perfect for camp use. Run a sous vide for my steak, run a coffee machine, etc. I use it all the time to heat milk bottles in our 2021 Sienna. Maybe the refresh.....
I think Toyota saw the excitement for the Cybertruck and the potential market for a “glam” truck. The new Tundra is going to cash in on the “cool truck” that the millennials want. I swear the first time I see a fart can or a NOS sticker on a tundra I’m pulling the badges off of my 20
My calculations could be off, but that’s around 3 or 4 amps max at 120V, 400W. That’s not much. The fuse in the vehicle for that circuit is probably less? Maybe not. Point being, it’s better than nothing but way less than great. Ford is certainly innovative with the PowerBoost and Toyota definitely missed an opportunity. Plus, and as a side note, I’m not very keen on the battery being inside the cab under the rear seat on the new Tundra. I mean it’s probably fine, but things happen sometimes that would make me feel uneasy about it. Especially with a kids car seat mounted above it. Just my opinions.
ON your miter saw there is a sticker that shows YOU the demand rated in watts to run your saw draws 15 amps which at 120V is 1800W. toyota 400W is a waste of electricity!
Bet you credits to Navy beans 2023 model will include the generator feature. They need to have new offerings every year, might even surprise everyone with a better looking front end in 2023, even a pretty gal could use a little make up and lip stick.
This isn’t a “deal-killer” for me, but I agree it would’ve been a “AND…wait there’s MORE” statement. I love showing people my ‘08 Tacoma with its plug-in. I thought Toyota might do something with the hybrid to match Ford’s “let’s go power your house with your truck”, or “you can use your truck to build a house in the middle of nowhere” statements. While it would be super cool and occasionally useful as a homeowner, it’s not that important. Nice to have? You bet. Have to have? Nope.
I think the onboard inverter will be the big attractor to the Ford over the Toyota. I think not inclined it was a big miss on Toyota’s part. I’m a farmer and would occasionally need to have power in a remote location to do field repairs. Side note, you shouldn’t wear gloves when operating saws. If the blade catches the fabric it will pull your hand in, that’s how my uncle lost a couple fingers. Better to have no gloves and just a minor nick on the skin than to loose parts of your body.
Tim, talking about fleet sales, about a week ago I saw either a new or very newish Ext Cab 4x4 all white Tundra being drove by my local division of the power company. I turned around and went to talk with him parked on the side of the road. He said they had just gotten these trucks in - they couldnt get their fleet trucks from GM and the company was either tired of waiting or couldnt wait longer (contract leasing or something) and they went with Toyota. So I asked - how do you like it? He personally liked it. As the local fleet manager he said Toyota said they could get us trucks so that is who we went with. ( I dont know when they started the process or how long or exactly how many but it seems like they got about 300 total for the state. I do not think all at once.) He said it rides well, its the base model but he has already been 4x4 to do some work (which is where I saw him) over some decently rough land and that except for the addition of their radios and cabin computer arm to hold the laptop, they were stock and doing great. But Ive always found it strange companies do not talk to Toyota.
This is very convoluted and wanders all over the place. I’m 3/4 of the way through this video and I know that you use Trugreen and that you like cordless drills but I still don’t know if the outlets work or not. Were you running the truck when you used the saw or this part of “the game”.
i think you are 100% correct but my but my worry is fords history and there major hiccups not to mention getting a basic xl steel wheels 4x4 and they re being sold for like 52k but if i want center console and 17 in aluminum wheels goes all the way to almost 60k with halogen lights, so the tundra has all that except for bigger battery and generator program into it
Pick your favorite cordless power tool brand (mine is Makita), batteries are all interchangeable with each tool. No need to hunt for batteries or wonder if one is charged.
I agree about the truck missing out, but not so much about DIY/homeowner tools. I switched to pretty much all battery stuff long ago, including my 10" miter. I think a lot of people have made that switch.
Why did you sell your F150? My hesitation with the F150 is the rust issue. I’m aware they say it’s only cosmetic but still not acceptable at that price.
I totally agree, if I’m gonna buy a hybrid tundra, it should be abled to run my camper & have everything the competitors have. My 2013 tundra can charge batteries/laptops...etc so what’s really gained? Was hoping Toyota would do the built in generator like Ford, guess I’ll have to keep waiting. Plus I stay away from any 1st year of new engine anyway
I disagree that it was a miss opportunity. Personally speaking, it’s not something I would use hardly ever. Would it be nice to have it added as an option… of course, I can’t argue there. However, I think the amount of tundra owners who would use this would be an extreme minority of their sales.
Anyone know how long you can run something before you kill the battery? For Example, if I go camping how long can I power an appliance (is there any recommended max runtime?)
I remember when the new Silverado came out. The guy from Chevy kept talking about the focus groups that were run and the customers that were asked. Well, two years later they have completely redesigned the truck. Guess that didn't work out well for them.
No disagreement with on your points. I wonder what percentage of Ford trucks are sold with on board generators? My bet it is a small percentage and Toyota made a business decision based on numbers.
They really should of added a higher wattage inverter. They already have a 1500w system available in their Sienna. Why not bring that over? I don't get it
Shouldn’t be difficult for Toyota to add in coming years, this would be a minor change. Importance for them was the structure and engine powertrain, all while a global pandemic vastly changed how they were able to operate and work while developing. I think most people today don’t need it, as you said, but the power onboard is extremely convenient. However, you can but a 1500 watt battery pack with a solar panel to charge it for around $2k, which adding to your new tundra still undercuts the f150 on price
Totally agree. I was so disappointment after I saw all the feature and it was missing a generator like the F150 Hybrid. That was the best feature for a truck in the market right now. The reasoning they gave is such BS. Plus the other feature they totally missed is the "Auto 4x4" feature.
Good discussion. I guess if I were a salesman for the new tundra I would purchase a couple of predator inverters. If a customer complains about the lack of a good inverter, i would pull one out, put it in the back of the truck and say that's not an issue any more. The sales commission on a 60,000 truck has to be decent. enough?
Going hard on Toyota, when Stellantis, GM, Nissan do not offer this feature. Toyota already has the electrical architecture, and can add this in the future if there is large customer demand.
It’s an insult to consumers to not do everything they can to maximize the abilities and features. They and others are doing bare minimal and they’re all wrong for it.
Exactly. 15 years of this new platform, they’ll add it over the years if needed. Right now, we don’t need it. Like go buy a Ford if u actually need one right now 😂😂😂
I was very dissapointed with Toyota for not offering more choices in the bed of their new Tundra. They could have come up with some form of step assist to make it easier for owners to hop on the bed of the new Tundra when the tailgate is open, like Ford and GM. And you are right, by not taking advantage now in offering a power generator in the new Tundra, resulted in a missed opportunity for Toyota to compete more with Ford. Toyota should have asked themselves the question, do we want to be the best, or do we want to be number one. And you are right, it will take Toyota at least another 15 years to make a new total make-over of their Tundra.
And here I am thinking you'll be happy with the back up straight technology for that short trailer. 😁 I'm not familiar with hybrid generators and inverters. How difficult would it be to upgrade in a mid-cycle refresh when they find a unit that meets they're reliability standards? 🤷♂️
Impossible, it’s a completely different solution. This is essentially a $40 Walmart inverter changing 12vdc to 120vac… the Ford system is changing 400vdc to 240vac. The component and design as drastically different and the later takes up way more physical space.
I admit I am disappointed with the tundra hybrid. Unless the mpg is so much better than the standard engine, I don't see a need for it. I want towing and normal driving mpg in my next truck. Baby Duramax is still looking good to me.
Wht theyre really missing is a higher power inverter to run an induction cooktop or coffee machine for overlanding. 400W doesnt cut it when most appliances are 1500W
I imagine the draining/ charging of the batteries without putting any miles on the truck could prematurely reduce/ damage battery performance while still being under vehicle mileage warranty. I personally would keep these systems separate unless in a commercial use. If I can run a fridge, I’m good.
My dad runs a logging business and the F-150 Hybrid was the first "modern" tech I got him to agree would actually help him onsite. But he decided it was cheaper to just retired instead. lol
LOL. I'd retire too if given the choice!
He also could have bought a generator for a fraction of the cost and avoided adding complexity to an already less than ideal truck.
They definitely should have polled current tundra owners on this! I think they dropped the ball. That could have been a great wow factor item for the truck’s reveal. Maybe that will turn out to be a carrot in the near future to keep sales up.
I think it was a big miss by Toyota not to include a higher inverter.
No we don’t need
@@SixySix704 let the user decide that
@@SixySix704 you don’t need, I do
Agreed it was a miss to only have 400watts of 120v. I'm not needing 2000 - 7,200 watts all day long like a contractor; that is a better use case for a generator. But 400 watt isn't enough for most thing like running power tools for a short period of time, or charging electric motorcycle batteries or boat batteries as you drive down the road (mine draw about 600 - 1,200 watts). So at least put the 1,500 inverter from the Toyota minivan in. I'm sure they will for next year. Toyota either just didn't have time to design it in, didn't want to deal with it, wanted some features to add later, and just get people hyped about it. Toyota's comment about owners not needing it and to use a generator was short sited. I don't want to load, unload, secure a generator for small jobs or needing power while driving. And you don't always know when you'll need the power and so may not have generator along. They will get the message and add something for the second model year is my guess.
@@MrChadx1 dude just plug it in a wall outlet
The part where you show the Saw Performance difference between house / Tacoma plugs was very cool. Thank you
Yep, Toyota dropped the ball on the inboard generator for sure. I have a early early reservation (like 10 minutes on the presentation) of the Ford Lighting. Both the Lighting and the hybrid Ford 150 are game changers
Live in Texas and face power outages multiple times a year. I have a $500 generator just sitting in my garage taking up space. Really wanted a tundra and was hopeful they would compete with Ford in the onboard generator category. They don’t understand their target market very well which is really sad since in general they make great vehicles. I will be buying a Ford specifically for the generator capabilities
I don't get whats not to understand unless they just live under a rock. You don't have to do a survey, just look at the comments and the stories of people powering their homes with their F150! They either didnt think of it until ford did it and have to do more R&D before debuting their own, or they're just stubborn like they were with not putting a rear diff lock on the current Tundra.
In the long run you are going to spend way more keeping that Ford running than $500 for a generator.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix you do know the Tundras have a diff lock...I own one with all the gadgets. i don't need an on board generator just a reliable good off road 4x4 that won't break down on me every other month
@@Adrian-jh5cr my comment is from over 2 years ago when the Tundra at that time 2nd gen) did not have a diff lock. None of the 2md gen Tundras had one. I know, I looked several times. It wasn't until this 3rd gen that they offered it. But I still prefer the Tundra, just not a big fan of this new one.
I have to agree with you, as much as I’m old school and dislike the fact of going hybrid. that power on board is a great selling feature and could turn around someone like me into buying a hybrid.
I agree 100%. When I saw '400W' for that outlet on the Tundra I was perplexed. I can see a 400W outlet in the cab for laptops, chargers, etc. but in the BED of the truck you want to power TOOLS! There's a lot to like about the new Tundra but that outlet isn't it.
Totally agree that Toyota should have provided this option. I’m buying a truck in the next 6 months primarily for towing the travel trailer I have on order. This will probably be the deciding factor for me to purchase the Powerboost instead of the Tundra.
You are 100% right! I am a big fan of Toyota products, looking for the first truck, and I am currently debating in between the Powerboost and the new Tundra. I am afraid that the missing onboard power and missing storage under the rear seats is pushing me toward the Ford. They definitely dropped the ball in this aspect and the little details do matter !
I would think twice with the Ford. I had a new 2019 F150 STX V8, 10 speed transmission. First 5 k miles it used 4.4 quarts of oil, Second 5k used 4 quarts, was said by Ford this is what they for breaking in. Next there was a loud metal clunk when starting engine 30% of the . Next the info center would go blank more times than I liked. Ford said it’s under warranty and did not turn a wrench on anything. Long story short I dumbed it at 15k. I am now driving a Toyota with 0 problems.
@@georgeericpurse7715That is right. I'd be single forever and never get marry because " ALL " wife are cheating.
Excellent point Tim! Very good information to educate those of us who don’t have power outlets in our truck beds. Current Ram 1500 owner.
Completely agree! Missed opportunity. I’m sure they will have to upgrade this at some point in the future. Knowing how slow Toyota is, I’m guessing the 2027 Tundra
I have been the biggest Toyota fan boy for nearly 30 years...until I saw the F150 powerboost hybrid with ProPower. Like you're pointing out Tim, it's hard to realize how big of a game changer having 7.2Kw anywhere you can park your truck is until you own one yourself. I bought one in April and it's been by far the most capable and useful vehicle I could have ever imagined.
Buy the longbed and strap a mobile generator at the end lmao
Can you plug an electric burner/stove?? Like when are camping out etc.
@@CRVgarage Easily...just last week I went camping and used it to power a griddle which is less than an electric stove (about 1kw). A full size electric kitchen stove is only around 3kw so if you're ambitious you can bring two full-size kitchen electric stoves and still have power for a microwave.
I’m actually shocked that Toyota didn’t provide a system like the Ford Power Boost on the new 2022 Tundra.
I think that’s a huge missed opportunity.
Great info. I totally agree with the hybrid with power generator on board. I'm a total GM fan boy but the f150 that you had was the first Ford that caught my attention. I was pissed the GM didn't do it. There's millions of us that have a serious need for power on board and can always use it.
Loved the tacoma, the automatic transmission always shifting drove me nuts. I had a 2019 Cement TRD OR traded it in on the ‘20 Silverado 3.0 diesel. I wish the Tacoma would come out in a diesel.
I own 17 limited has the same transmission shifting issues. Sold it then got 18 limited, still have the same issues. Sold it again. Love the Taco, but will never buy it again.
Excellent piece of true unbiased journalism here, Tim. Fantastic demonstration!
Lots of great points! I agree with you when you said that the onboard power changes the game. I too have lots of battery powered equipment that I use around my property. I depend on them when working long distances from the house. However, many of them tend to be awkward and unnecessarily heavy, due to the excess weight from a larger battery. If I have some onboard power, I think I might replace some of those battery operated ones with corded versions.
This omission was a big miss for Toyota. Definitely was hoping for a generator feature, especially since they’re rolling out the hybrid.
Yes I think you are right it was a huge miss not putting a generator on board. Especially how far between they do a new truck. Hopefully they will realize and put one in on a refresh in a year or two.
I own a 2014 Tundra and I'm in the market over the next few months on getting a new truck. I have a small Camper and I love doing boondocking. The Pro Power on the F150 is a game changer for Boondocking. I was amazed to find out Toyota did not do the same thing as the Pro Power. Toyota really messed up on that. Toyota is known by boondockers and for them to not think of the outdoors people is absolutely amazing to me. The Pro Power for my camper is the exact reason I'm going with the F150 over the Tundra. It's a game changing feature, and I bet Toyota does it on the 2024 model, but unfortunately I don't want to wait two more years or more for it.
This is an amazing segment you did such a well Is laid out breakdown.
I am a locksmith with a full size van and am patiently waiting for a manufacturer to produce a hybrid or all electric full size van. In our one van alone we spend about $500/month in fuel, additionally we have to wire an inverter for our machines (currently 1500 watt inverter.)
I agree Tim, Toyota missed a huge opportunity only providing 400w versus Ford offering up to 7200w.
Excellent argument! I'm with you. I have been waiting to buy a truck for a couple years to give gmc and Toyota to give me the best choice.
I think you're right Tim. I was expecting something more from Toyota. They missed the mark here.
I fully agree with your sentiment. I think not offering a true competitor to the F-150 Powerboost was a big time miss on the new Tundra. 7200 watts on the F-150 versus 400 watts on the Tundra is not remotely comparable.
Well when the ford falls apart early on, that power inverter wont matter lol
@@beexiong2995 I have not heard of F-150's rotting away from rust on 10 year old trucks. I have heard of 10 year old Tundras rotting away from rust.
@@greateyedeer5418 everything rots in the snowbelt, fact
I'm a tundra fan, have had mine since 08. I like the new tundra but I feel they tried making a car into a truck and left the work horse in the stable with this one. Maybe I'm wrong. Thanks for sharing and all you do. Be safe and be blessed!
Thats exactly what I said. A luxury suv driver designed the new tundra. Not a truck guy
You just helped me understand my Toyota Tacoma using the power outlet. I never paid attention between the 400 and 100 Watts. Now when I get home I will test it out and see if it works better. Thank you.
ALSO you are slowly killing all your electric tools by running them on a lower power. When there is not enough power supplied to the tool it will run hotter and eventually destroy your armature. I would run a light bulb off of that but not my power tools especially at a extended period of time.. Toyota does make a quality vehicle just years behind in technology. My belief is they stay away from cutting edge tech to keep the reliability up, so it’s a trade off on what you want… But glad to see your going for the Tundra, I’m looking forward on your reviews on this vehicle, good and bad.
I hear you. This was really just a demo.
Exactly. Lower voltage = more current so more heat...
Tim, you are right about Toyota not bothering with fleet/commercial Tundra sales. I work in mechanical construction and I never see Tundras being used period! Ford on the other hand pretty much owns commercial sales and makes affordable, functional trucks. Just remember all the equipment on your last F150: like the work bench tailgate, the work table console, all the tie downs, and of course the 7.2 KW generator. That is what is needed to run an air compressor all day for a framing crew along with worm drive saws. Tundra is a high end Suburban home owner, commuter vehicle, weekend warrior, truck and is simply not equipped to serve as a basic job site work truck. Toyota makes an excellent product, it just serves a different purpose and is equipped as such.
Can’t beat that Ford Hybrid
This is so true. Toyota missed the mark completely in my opinion.
My uncle has a hybrid f150 as a contractor. He uses the plug to keep his batteries charged after everyday. While he is going from site to site or driving to lunch etc, his batteries are constantly charged.
What good is a on board generator when the truck is always in the shop
Thanks I'm glad you covered this. It is important to mention that Ford's pro-power options are only available with Hybrid drivetrains since they have the larger/additional batteries needed to support their 2-7.2kw systems.
Not true. The base Pro Power Onboard configuration is a 2.0-kW system only available on gas-powered Ford F-150 models equipped with either a 2.7-liter V6, a 3.5-liter V6, or a 5.0-liter V8. The only engine that does not offer the Pro Power Onboard system is Ford's 3.3-liter V6.
With the 2.0-kW system, the engine sends power to a pair of 120-volt, three-prong outlets in the truck bed. This system provides up to 2,000 watts of power to anything plugged into them, which is a significant upgrade over the 400 watts of energy available from most truck bed outlets.
^this.
Is it true the Tundra doesn't come with tow hooks and that the hybrid battery takes up storage space under the seat?
Yes.
I agree 100% ! Excellent video Tim.
Man I need a pick up truck as my kids' motocross racing gets more serious but I've been blessed with the power output of my Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV 2018 with 2 x 1500 watt plugs. I've been able to charge the battery at home using a Level 2 charger then driving to the track in hybrid mode (saves the battery with capacity of 8 kwh). Takes 2 days of camping to deplete the battery from cooking and charging ebikes and other batteries. In 20 mins I'm able to use the gas in the car to charge back the 8 kwh battery with minimal gas. The Ford Powerboost is the closest thing to my SUV while I'm sure the Rivian and future Cybertruck will be able to do the same. Sure I could just get a gas generator but campers have to turn those off at 11 pm while I can use my car all day and night to keep things charging including my Go Sun 1.1 kwh tent battery which keeps our fridge going.
2022 Toyota Tundra missing opportunities to put the onboard generator on the Tundra that’s sucks☹️
I miss my Tacoma 120v outlet, that's the only thing I miss. They can have that 3.5 piss engine. I have a V8 Tundra TRD Pro but it needs the outlet in the bed or a portable generator.
I’m with ya 100% I’m am the same battery powered drills and corded everything else I don’t use regularly.
Glad I'm not the only one!
The idea of my truck powering my campers air conditioning is pretty rad
Not a problem for me. I switched all my power tools over to Milwaukee M18 a few years ago. ...but I see your point.
Throwing a generator in the back also one more thing you have to keep from getting stolen.
Yup!
As opposed to... stealing the whole truck?😜
This is the best argument I've seen yet to get the F-150 hybrid with the generator, Toyota drop the ball on this one. And this is coming from a tundra owner, who really doesn't like Ford, but the F-150 hybrid is enticing.
It has been years since I ever corded up any of my home tools. EGO Power has fulfilled all of my needs across the board. I will be fine with the single 400 W plug. I got lots more to be consider about the new Tundra than the single plug. But thanks for a good presentation.
Thanks
Is the plug in the bed disabled while driving? Like can you run a small chest refrigerator in the bed, or charge a large battery inverter while driving across the country?
Nope. You can leave it on all the time.
Huge miss. Anyone that camps frequently or farms would be doing themselves a huge disservice in choosing the Tundra imax over the F-150 powerboost. Typical Toyota always 5 years behind...
Hopefully the Tundra head engineer sees this.
Oh I’m sure he will and I’ll get a message later. LOL
I see a house back there. You know it has power? Have an extension cord? I bet I could count on one hand how many times over the last 20 years that I could have used the tech in a Powerboost. I'm 45 and the ideal consumer. Bought a 2021 Tundra. Haven't missed that tech yet and know I will not either. I have a bed and can throw a generator and air compressor in there.
This was a very well-done segment. I am sure once it's obvious onboard generators are driving sales for competitors they will get added, but they should have lead with that instead of playing catch up later. There truly were some innovative features such as their work with reducing drag for better fuel economy and the elbow button to open the tailgate but it seems they are not really paying attention to what people are shopping for.
So lame they didn't put the 1500 watt inverter from the other Toyota hybrids. It would have been perfect for camp use. Run a sous vide for my steak, run a coffee machine, etc. I use it all the time to heat milk bottles in our 2021 Sienna. Maybe the refresh.....
I think Toyota saw the excitement for the Cybertruck and the potential market for a “glam” truck. The new Tundra is going to cash in on the “cool truck” that the millennials want. I swear the first time I see a fart can or a NOS sticker on a tundra I’m pulling the badges off of my 20
My calculations could be off, but that’s around 3 or 4 amps max at 120V, 400W. That’s not much. The fuse in the vehicle for that circuit is probably less? Maybe not. Point being, it’s better than nothing but way less than great. Ford is certainly innovative with the PowerBoost and Toyota definitely missed an opportunity. Plus, and as a side note, I’m not very keen on the battery being inside the cab under the rear seat on the new Tundra. I mean it’s probably fine, but things happen sometimes that would make me feel uneasy about it. Especially with a kids car seat mounted above it. Just my opinions.
ON your miter saw there is a sticker that shows YOU the demand rated in watts to run your saw draws 15 amps which at 120V is 1800W. toyota 400W is a waste of electricity!
1000% agree. People are ..... not looking forward. I do overloading , it's amazing feature.
Bet you credits to Navy beans 2023 model will include the generator feature. They need to have new offerings every year, might even surprise everyone with a better looking front end in 2023, even a pretty gal could use a little make up and lip stick.
This isn’t a “deal-killer” for me, but I agree it would’ve been a “AND…wait there’s MORE” statement. I love showing people my ‘08 Tacoma with its plug-in. I thought Toyota might do something with the hybrid to match Ford’s “let’s go power your house with your truck”, or “you can use your truck to build a house in the middle of nowhere” statements. While it would be super cool and occasionally useful as a homeowner, it’s not that important. Nice to have? You bet. Have to have? Nope.
Power onboard will be in the 2036 remodel.
I think the onboard inverter will be the big attractor to the Ford over the Toyota. I think not inclined it was a big miss on Toyota’s part. I’m a farmer and would occasionally need to have power in a remote location to do field repairs. Side note, you shouldn’t wear gloves when operating saws. If the blade catches the fabric it will pull your hand in, that’s how my uncle lost a couple fingers. Better to have no gloves and just a minor nick on the skin than to loose parts of your body.
You are right. I keep forgetting about the no gloves thinking when it comes to saws.
Tim, talking about fleet sales, about a week ago I saw either a new or very newish Ext Cab 4x4 all white Tundra being drove by my local division of the power company. I turned around and went to talk with him parked on the side of the road. He said they had just gotten these trucks in - they couldnt get their fleet trucks from GM and the company was either tired of waiting or couldnt wait longer (contract leasing or something) and they went with Toyota. So I asked - how do you like it? He personally liked it. As the local fleet manager he said Toyota said they could get us trucks so that is who we went with. ( I dont know when they started the process or how long or exactly how many but it seems like they got about 300 total for the state. I do not think all at once.) He said it rides well, its the base model but he has already been 4x4 to do some work (which is where I saw him) over some decently rough land and that except for the addition of their radios and cabin computer arm to hold the laptop, they were stock and doing great. But Ive always found it strange companies do not talk to Toyota.
Thanks for sharing. Good stuff.
They definitely dropped the ball. They portray this as a recreational vehicle - 400 watts is not enough if you are boondocking.
This is very convoluted and wanders all over the place. I’m 3/4 of the way through this video and I know that you use Trugreen and that you like cordless drills but I still don’t know if the outlets work or not. Were you running the truck when you used the saw or this part of “the game”.
Odd. I've gotten a TON of great feedback from this video.
i think you are 100% correct but my but my worry is fords history and there major hiccups not to mention getting a basic xl steel wheels 4x4 and they re being sold for like 52k but if i want center console and 17 in aluminum wheels goes all the way to almost 60k with halogen lights, so the tundra has all that except for bigger battery and generator program into it
So I might of missed does it run the pancake compressor?
Pick your favorite cordless power tool brand (mine is Makita), batteries are all interchangeable with each tool. No need to hunt for batteries or wonder if one is charged.
I agree about the truck missing out, but not so much about DIY/homeowner tools. I switched to pretty much all battery stuff long ago, including my 10" miter. I think a lot of people have made that switch.
Why did you get rid of the ford powerboost then?
It was time for something new. Just business.
Why did you sell your F150? My hesitation with the F150 is the rust issue. I’m aware they say it’s only cosmetic but still not acceptable at that price.
No reason beyond I was done filming everything I could think of and was getting ready for the next long-term review truck.
How hard or easy would it be to upgrade this to 800w or higher for the Tacoma or Tundra??
I totally agree, if I’m gonna buy a hybrid tundra, it should be abled to run my camper & have everything the competitors have. My 2013 tundra can charge batteries/laptops...etc so what’s really gained? Was hoping Toyota would do the built in generator like Ford, guess I’ll have to keep waiting. Plus I stay away from any 1st year of new engine anyway
I disagree that it was a miss opportunity. Personally speaking, it’s not something I would use hardly ever. Would it be nice to have it added as an option… of course, I can’t argue there. However, I think the amount of tundra owners who would use this would be an extreme minority of their sales.
Anyone know how long you can run something before you kill the battery? For Example, if I go camping how long can I power an appliance (is there any recommended max runtime?)
I remember when the new Silverado came out. The guy from Chevy kept talking about the focus groups that were run and the customers that were asked. Well, two years later they have completely redesigned the truck. Guess that didn't work out well for them.
Just curious. Why did you get rid of your Powerboost?
Ran out of ideas on things to film and wanted to get ready for next truck purchase.
No disagreement with on your points. I wonder what percentage of Ford trucks are sold with on board generators? My bet it is a small percentage and Toyota made a business decision based on numbers.
Exactly. Toyota is not trying for that market. I think it’s a very overblown non-issue.
This outlet is only for over landing and tailgating parties, including the use of smaller power tools such as drills.
Spot on comments, boss.
They really should of added a higher wattage inverter. They already have a 1500w system available in their Sienna. Why not bring that over? I don't get it
Shouldn’t be difficult for Toyota to add in coming years, this would be a minor change. Importance for them was the structure and engine powertrain, all while a global pandemic vastly changed how they were able to operate and work while developing. I think most people today don’t need it, as you said, but the power onboard is extremely convenient. However, you can but a 1500 watt battery pack with a solar panel to charge it for around $2k, which adding to your new tundra still undercuts the f150 on price
Toyota isn’t really known for making constant yearly changes. I wouldn’t count on it.
Wow. Eye opening
Totally agree. I was so disappointment after I saw all the feature and it was missing a generator like the F150 Hybrid. That was the best feature for a truck in the market right now. The reasoning they gave is such BS. Plus the other feature they totally missed is the "Auto 4x4" feature.
Good discussion. I guess if I were a salesman for the new tundra I would purchase a couple of predator inverters. If a customer complains about the lack of a good inverter, i would pull one out, put it in the back of the truck and say that's not an issue any more. The sales commission on a 60,000 truck has to be decent. enough?
Going hard on Toyota, when Stellantis, GM, Nissan do not offer this feature. Toyota already has the electrical architecture, and can add this in the future if there is large customer demand.
It’s an insult to consumers to not do everything they can to maximize the abilities and features.
They and others are doing bare minimal and they’re all wrong for it.
Exactly. 15 years of this new platform, they’ll add it over the years if needed. Right now, we don’t need it. Like go buy a Ford if u actually need one right now 😂😂😂
Great point
When I saw 400W I was thinking it was a little bit whippy.
2021 ram 1500 classic tradesman quad cab 4x4 v6 with lots of extras simple good truck for towing my boat I don't need all this crap 😀😄
I was very dissapointed with Toyota for not offering more choices in the bed of their new Tundra.
They could have come up with some form of step assist to make it easier for owners to hop on the bed of the new Tundra when the tailgate is open, like Ford and GM.
And you are right, by not taking advantage now in offering a power generator in the new Tundra, resulted in a missed opportunity for Toyota to compete more with Ford.
Toyota should have asked themselves the question, do we want to be the best, or do we want to be number one.
And you are right, it will take Toyota at least another 15 years to make a new total make-over of their Tundra.
Sounds like it's not a Pure sign wave inverter?
In-board generator sounds cool. Yes Toyota must and should at least add it on their 2023 model!. That'll be complete!.
And here I am thinking you'll be happy with the back up straight technology for that short trailer. 😁
I'm not familiar with hybrid generators and inverters. How difficult would it be to upgrade in a mid-cycle refresh when they find a unit that meets they're reliability standards? 🤷♂️
Impossible, it’s a completely different solution. This is essentially a $40 Walmart inverter changing 12vdc to 120vac… the Ford system is changing 400vdc to 240vac.
The component and design as drastically different and the later takes up way more physical space.
@@cybertrk i am talking about the hybrid version.
@@wilmarbarrick3194 yup me too… it’s a whole different animal building a 12kwh inverter vs a 400w inverter.
I admit I am disappointed with the tundra hybrid. Unless the mpg is so much better than the standard engine, I don't see a need for it. I want towing and normal driving mpg in my next truck. Baby Duramax is still looking good to me.
Wht theyre really missing is a higher power inverter to run an induction cooktop or coffee machine for overlanding. 400W doesnt cut it when most appliances are 1500W
It's a nice feature on the Tundra but limited power.
I actually have a plug in inverter that gives me 1200w
Too bad they didn't do that.
What a massive oversight by Toyota! This will cost them many sales.
no it won't. It's not competiting with gimmicks. Another costly drive to the dealership repair when it breaks vs a separate reliable generator
@@frodobaggyballs2399 Having a built in generator in your truck in not a “gimmick”. Saying that as a general contractor and a Toyota fan.
I imagine the draining/ charging of the batteries without putting any miles on the truck could prematurely reduce/ damage battery performance while still being under vehicle mileage warranty. I personally would keep these systems separate unless in a commercial use. If I can run a fridge, I’m good.
Great Video!!!
See if it will run a dual battery rapid charger for 18v or 20v tools.
I have a single battery charger at the house and it runs that just fine.