Absolutely loved the v1 and was my first supershoe (800km) used for everything! So fast, fun, bouncy and snappy, a total game changer and the original supershoe. V2 however was not as bouncy, upper fit and lockdown was terrible and retired after 100 miles as same issue as you, outsole was torn to shreds as a heavy forefoot striker, especially on my right. V3 however was a mix between the v1 and v2. Still as fast and bouncy as v1 but not as aggressive or snappy. Upper, fit and lockdwon however is the best in all of the versions for me. However the biggest issue for me is the outsole, like you said, there's holes now in the forefoot which makes it even worse for small stones to penerate! I exclusively use mine now in dry weather in great tarmac or on the track.
I totally agree with the v2 not being the same as the v1 overall. Actually had a section in the video but decided to cut it out as it was getting a bit too lenghty and complicated haha! I had 5 pairs of them and the funny thing is, they all feel a bit different to one another. Some are close to the v1 and some others are quite firm. Might be different factories getting different flavors of ZoomX. Interesting you find the v3 upper the best - It's actually the worst for me! But this is so personal and really depends on foot shape. The Vaporweave in the v1 was the best for me.
Totally agree with your conclusion... regression of VF. In 2019, I ran my PB 2:49.01 with the VF knit OG and bought 3 pairs during that era. Alas, the QC was terrible, each pair barely last me close to 100+km (high humidity here in Asia) and delamination was a major problem. How I wish Nike now could reuse the OG's tooling and method to remake the VF GOAT again, just fine tune its QC in glueing and durability.
Interesting about the delamination in higher humidities! My 4% didn't last very long either, but for me it was the outsole and exposed foam shredding away. Don't know if you've seen some photos of the upcoming Streakfly 2 by any chance. But that shoe might be what we're looking for. It looks like it has some sort of plate unlike the first one with its plastic shank.
It's a bit cold but still in a singlet :) I think you are right about the VF3. I only have one pair but got them past 200 miles with no real outsole problems unlike many have seen. Think the 2mm extra of foam made them feel a bit different. Initially the upper was a very poor fit for me with too much volume but managed to adapt it fine. I actually did my best 5K in the last 2 years in them last year but probably had the most fitness. I found them actually "fastest" for short reps but agree, given a choice, would go for the VF1.
A bit cold indeed but my very own Singlet/Gloves/Arm Sleeves combo is my favorite:) I hope Nike will make the v4 a bit more aggressive again. It's moved quite close to the Alphafly in being very cushioned and stable. And I think we're both pretty similar in not really liking the Alphafly that much...
sucks that i missed out on the peak vaporflies! streakfly 2 seems intriguing tho! for all ur runs do u always take a train to a nice area? how long does the journey usually take from leaving house to getting to destination to run at? is train a lot more convenient than just driving?
You can always look around for a Vaporfly 2 on StockX or Vinted or whatever. Might even get a very good deal. It depends on work schedule. But this was a Sunday so took the train. Sometimes I drive but all these spots are pretty close together really.
@@robin29991 too pricey it seems! and im very fussy with how shoes fit so i always wna try my sizes US 10/10.5 so too much of a hassle anyways i think i read sumwhere here u said the alphaflys are the more 'safe' and comfortable supertrainer and vaporflys was the more aggressive one. if thats the case whys the PB's from kipchoge and kiptum in the alphaflies and not vaporflys? ofc theres preferences but it just sounds like the more aggressive one should have the PB's also if u dont mind what does ur running schedule look like? like do u run every single day and how much KM's a week?
Oh, okay, makes sense. The Vaporfly is more aggressive in feel but not any faster or slower. The Alphafly has a lot more cushion. Just a question of which one works better for you and what you prefer. Clearly works well for Kipchoge or Chepngetich. Currently averaging about 110km/week over the winter and complete Rest Days not really... I'll take one here or there when I feel like it but typically like to run every day.
@@robin29991 how much km do u run on ur easy days/tempos/intervals/daily mileage days/long runs usually?? and wats ur shoe of choice for the recovery days for when ur legs/feet feel beat up?
No more than 90min(about 20km) for Longruns right now and most easy Runs are 45-60min, so no more than 12-13km. Double on Tuesday and Friday if I can make it.
I disagree. I have both the Vaporfly 3 and 2, and will choose comfort over the distance. The VF2 was harder on my feet. Tried the Adios pro 3 but not as fast as the VFs for me. Ce la vie l.
Yeah, that's totally valid! Comfort is often a very individual perception and what you're used to, especially over longer distances. I remember running a Marathon in a Saucony Kinvara 9 back in the day and that feels like a Barefoot Shoe nowadays compared to the Vaporfly 2 haha. Agree on the Adios Pro 3: A pretty bulky and kind of heavy shoe compared to the Vaporfly.
Hard to say of course in my case! But maybe look at the Adios Pro 3 as a Racer? It's very stable and quite firm so you won't be bottoming it out. As a Trainer do you just mean a standard Daily Trainer/Easy Run Shoe? In that case, I think you can never go wrong with something like a Pegasus/Brooks Ghost/ Cumulus.
@@robin29991 I appreciate your response. As a daily trainer I currently have the Nike invincible 3 but I wanted to try out another brand. I’ll take a look into options you provided. I’ve heard good things about the adidas Boston 12, adidas sl2, ASICS superblast 2 etc. as you know there are way too many options lol. I’m no running expert so that’s why I always differ to runners such as yourself.
![[#2024MAMA] BIGBANG (빅뱅) - 뱅뱅뱅 (BANG BANG BANG) + FANTASTIC BABY | Mnet 241123 방송](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EQsYfiPR9uM/mqdefault.jpg)
Absolutely loved the v1 and was my first supershoe (800km) used for everything! So fast, fun, bouncy and snappy, a total game changer and the original supershoe.
V2 however was not as bouncy, upper fit and lockdown was terrible and retired after 100 miles as same issue as you, outsole was torn to shreds as a heavy forefoot striker, especially on my right.
V3 however was a mix between the v1 and v2. Still as fast and bouncy as v1 but not as aggressive or snappy. Upper, fit and lockdwon however is the best in all of the versions for me. However the biggest issue for me is the outsole, like you said, there's holes now in the forefoot which makes it even worse for small stones to penerate! I exclusively use mine now in dry weather in great tarmac or on the track.
I totally agree with the v2 not being the same as the v1 overall. Actually had a section in the video but decided to cut it out as it was getting a bit too lenghty and complicated haha! I had 5 pairs of them and the funny thing is, they all feel a bit different to one another. Some are close to the v1 and some others are quite firm. Might be different factories getting different flavors of ZoomX.
Interesting you find the v3 upper the best - It's actually the worst for me! But this is so personal and really depends on foot shape. The Vaporweave in the v1 was the best for me.
Totally agree with your conclusion... regression of VF. In 2019, I ran my PB 2:49.01 with the VF knit OG and bought 3 pairs during that era. Alas, the QC was terrible, each pair barely last me close to 100+km (high humidity here in Asia) and delamination was a major problem. How I wish Nike now could reuse the OG's tooling and method to remake the VF GOAT again, just fine tune its QC in glueing and durability.
Interesting about the delamination in higher humidities! My 4% didn't last very long either, but for me it was the outsole and exposed foam shredding away. Don't know if you've seen some photos of the upcoming Streakfly 2 by any chance. But that shoe might be what we're looking for. It looks like it has some sort of plate unlike the first one with its plastic shank.
It's a bit cold but still in a singlet :) I think you are right about the VF3. I only have one pair but got them past 200 miles with no real outsole problems unlike many have seen. Think the 2mm extra of foam made them feel a bit different. Initially the upper was a very poor fit for me with too much volume but managed to adapt it fine. I actually did my best 5K in the last 2 years in them last year but probably had the most fitness. I found them actually "fastest" for short reps but agree, given a choice, would go for the VF1.
A bit cold indeed but my very own Singlet/Gloves/Arm Sleeves combo is my favorite:)
I hope Nike will make the v4 a bit more aggressive again. It's moved quite close to the Alphafly in being very cushioned and stable. And I think we're both pretty similar in not really liking the Alphafly that much...
I'm convinced that Zoom X was way way better back in the Vaporfly 4% days (and less durable)
@@guiibogar Yeah, I think it really started changing for the worse sometime between the Next% v1 and 2.
sucks that i missed out on the peak vaporflies! streakfly 2 seems intriguing tho!
for all ur runs do u always take a train to a nice area? how long does the journey usually take from leaving house to getting to destination to run at?
is train a lot more convenient than just driving?
You can always look around for a Vaporfly 2 on StockX or Vinted or whatever. Might even get a very good deal.
It depends on work schedule. But this was a Sunday so took the train. Sometimes I drive but all these spots are pretty close together really.
@@robin29991 too pricey it seems! and im very fussy with how shoes fit so i always wna try my sizes US 10/10.5 so too much of a hassle anyways
i think i read sumwhere here u said the alphaflys are the more 'safe' and comfortable supertrainer and vaporflys was the more aggressive one.
if thats the case whys the PB's from kipchoge and kiptum in the alphaflies and not vaporflys? ofc theres preferences but it just sounds like the more aggressive one should have the PB's
also if u dont mind what does ur running schedule look like? like do u run every single day and how much KM's a week?
Oh, okay, makes sense.
The Vaporfly is more aggressive in feel but not any faster or slower. The Alphafly has a lot more cushion. Just a question of which one works better for you and what you prefer. Clearly works well for Kipchoge or Chepngetich.
Currently averaging about 110km/week over the winter and complete Rest Days not really... I'll take one here or there when I feel like it but typically like to run every day.
@@robin29991 how much km do u run on ur easy days/tempos/intervals/daily mileage days/long runs usually??
and wats ur shoe of choice for the recovery days for when ur legs/feet feel beat up?
No more than 90min(about 20km) for Longruns right now and most easy Runs are 45-60min, so no more than 12-13km. Double on Tuesday and Friday if I can make it.
Sandweiler seems like a very quiet place.
On a Sunday, Yes. But this was mostly the industrial area which is of course pretty busy on weekdays.
Totally agree… the model is losing its way a bit sadly
It's moved a bit too close to the Alphafly for me. I hope the v4 can bring the aggressiveness back.
I disagree. I have both the Vaporfly 3 and 2, and will choose comfort over the distance. The VF2 was harder on my feet. Tried the Adios pro 3 but not as fast as the VFs for me. Ce la vie l.
Yeah, that's totally valid! Comfort is often a very individual perception and what you're used to, especially over longer distances. I remember running a Marathon in a Saucony Kinvara 9 back in the day and that feels like a Barefoot Shoe nowadays compared to the Vaporfly 2 haha.
Agree on the Adios Pro 3: A pretty bulky and kind of heavy shoe compared to the Vaporfly.
What daily trainer and race day shoe(s) do you recommend for someone 6’1 235lbs. Crossed over from the bodybuilding world.
Hard to say of course in my case! But maybe look at the Adios Pro 3 as a Racer? It's very stable and quite firm so you won't be bottoming it out. As a Trainer do you just mean a standard Daily Trainer/Easy Run Shoe? In that case, I think you can never go wrong with something like a Pegasus/Brooks Ghost/ Cumulus.
@@robin29991 I appreciate your response. As a daily trainer I currently have the Nike invincible 3 but I wanted to try out another brand. I’ll take a look into options you provided. I’ve heard good things about the adidas Boston 12, adidas sl2, ASICS superblast 2 etc. as you know there are way too many options lol. I’m no running expert so that’s why I always differ to runners such as yourself.
Oh, okay, the Invincible is of course really soft and squishy! The Pegasus 41 is a much more 'normal' shoe.
@@robin29991 thank you for this!