M4 iPad Pro 13" vs 12.9" M2 - Is Tandem OLED Worth it?!
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12.9" M2 vs 13" M4 iPad Pro - 00:00
New Design Differences - 00:23
Magic Keyboard - 01:08
Webcam & Mic Comparison - 01:35
Speaker Comparison - 02:10
Tandem OLED vs Mini LED - 03:56
HDR Video Quality - 05:41
Display Latency - 07:37
New Apple Pencil Pro - 08:32
Geekbench 6 Performance - 08:47
Speedometer 3.0 Benchmark - 09:26
3DMark Wild Life Extreme - 09:43
Which iPad Pro Should you Buy? - 11:24
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Can’t wait for WWDC to see if these iPads are worth it
"Oh darn, all this horsepower and no room to gallop!" - Bruce Almighty, 2003
Apple have been blueballing us with iPadOS since they changed its name lol. Unless they’re suddenly pivoting and is willing to cannibalize their MacBook sales there isn’t gonna be drastic changes to the OS.
Of course I would LOVE to be wrong, but I believe iPad as a complete laptop replacement just isn’t their vision for the lineup despite what their marketing would like us to believe
Spoiler alert it’s not gonna change anything people say that every year the iPad comes out. I got the m1 and stage manager is nice but not utilizing the M1 chip still. Rendering photos and video is a lot faster but if you’re expecting Mac OS it’s not going to happen.
Same. I’m waiting for WWDC first before I buy these iPads
It won't ever be worth it.
I think I’m good with my M1 Pro
A 12X/Z is also the Same iPad than than the m2 iPad.
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Don’t think the OLED display is that Wow compared to last 2 iPad Pro!!
A12X becomes old now, but M1 or newer is good.
@@KL-xv5gj facts 😭
my m1 ipad is still totally overpowered. With IpadOS its just a toy to consume media, surf the web and draw some stuff
Personally I do my professional crafts on my iPad, and it does it all exceptionally well.
Can't agree more. Apple has always touted the iPad as a laptop replacement, but they r so off, drowned in their own "Reality Distortion Field". Can't run any serious pro-software, Microstation, Primevera, etc..., can't even run a Bit-torrent client. The hardware is awesome but held back by iPadOS. And AAA gaming? What gaming? LOL...
Too expensive for those typical tasks
honestly the only time i ever notice the mini led blooming is when everything else is black on the screen and theres a title or something in a video. Other than that It never bothers me.
I liked the mini led on my 12.9 M2 but I wanted a 11 inch but mini led never came to it, so I went for m4 11inch
MiniLED is perfectly fine on my 16“ Macbook. No desire for OLED with PWM (!) and some remaining risk of burn-in
Same
Yeah Oled fanatics overreact with blooming.
They jumped to the m4 in the iPad so they can use all that power to come out with a calculator app for the iPad finally
They finally came out with a calculator app?! lol not one that you have to download in the App Store?😱
The M2 has better audio when you compared the two, the M4 had that talking in a tunnel sound.
Echo?
True
Everyone saying there “good with their old iPad” should feel good about saying that. Apples hardware including the M-series chips are so good. Like why would anyone consider upgrading? I understand maybe it’s dependent on what you use your iPad for but judging by the thousands of comments saying the software sucks… then be happy there is no need to upgrade every 5 mins. Literally this year is just a nice screen and a faster chip that no one will hardly notice. When you make a purchase or an m- series Mac or m-series iPad the plan should be to keep it for years to come! I don’t get why people need to trade in there iPads every single year and then continue to complain. It’s okay to hang onto your device for a few years…
I got an m1 12.9 1tb wifi+Carrier in perfect condition for $500. Super happy with it 😊
This is THE BEST and well thought comment I’ve heard in quite some time! Apple products are built to last for years and I too don’t get why people feel “PRESSURED” to upgrade every year. I bought an iPad Pro 11 M2 for $699 brand new at Best Buy and not even remotely thinking about the M4.
Whelp I haven’t had an I pad since the first gen so I’m due for a new one. I was waiting for them to fix the camera to landscape and Oled with 120hz and now it’s here. So I’ll be picking up my 13 this Friday. Now I won’t have to upgrade for another decade or so lol.
@@kaiichinose9590 exactly what I was saying! Sounds like you held onto your iPad for a good amount of time. I just don’t understand the need to upgrade an iPad every time a new one comes out for some people. While i understand the hardware is great, anyone with an M-series iPad will gain absolutely nothing. These chips will perform for 5-7 years easily. Enjoy your new iPad!
I'm on first gen, LITERALLY first generation ipad pro. Got it in 2016 and had it for 8 years straight, this is a major upgrade because there's no home button, 32gb storage, screen edges are curved, not use to that, not use to track pad or function keys. I'm just waiting on WWDC so I can make my decision on 512gb or 1tb if the software does get better
The M2 iPad Pro camera’s design looks better. The M4’s camera’s design looks cheap; gives off the iPad Air vibe 😂
I'll stick to my OG M1.
i still have the OG 2018 11” pro with the A13 chip i think it was lol
edit: A12x chip*
Everyone rushing to the comments to let us know they’re keeping their older generation iPad Pro. Thank you so much for letting us know!
@@dino91001I have the same iPad Pro 2018 also
@@BlueFL5 thanks for letting us know how you really feel. 🤡
@@Mike-Minion nO tHaNks, mY 2011 IpAD 2 wOrKs jUsT fINE. HeY eVeRyoNe, I’M kEEpIng mY oLD iPAD.
Gonna take more than thinner design and oled to make me toss my M1 12.9
You shouldn’t really anyway.
This
so true.
Not me. Swapping a 1tb Wifi/5G M1 in for a 13" Pro today. Tandem OLED is amazing for content. Oh and $510 trade in value and 3% back makes it that much better.
@@BigJeezie I'd pay 600+$ for your iPad. That trade in value is shit.
iPads make artists happy; I feel sorry for everyone else who wants one but doesn’t know what to do with it.
Yea I love it as a photographer but anyone else I know who’s got one never uses it.
I have m2 11' just for gaming 😅
@@Jorda5s bull
ipads are a nice versatile device. But it always has that feeling of missing something. I love mine I have had one since it came out, but I can understand peoples frustrations with it.
me just for reading manga , very happy
Waiting for tandem OLED to arrive in Macbook Pro!
Me too
Me three, I’ll take the 16 inch tandem OLED. Hopefully they’ll also redesign that notch into a small circular dynamic island.
@@Gubby-Man I also hope that notch will be disappeared
PWM… no thanks.
Very strange ... I took both my M4 13" iPad Pro outside with brights turned fully up, and compared it with my M1 12.9" iPad Pro (that supposedly has 600 nits SDR brightness, versus 1000 nits on the M4) ... however, both displays appear identical in bright light. I'm not seeing the difference you are describing. I am being 100% honest ... I love the new M4 13" iPad Pro for its hardware, the new keyboard, the added functionality of the Pencil Pro and for its future proofing for upcoming Ai tools. But as far as the display goes, this new OLED display has pretty much identical brightness with the prior mini-LED screens, except for the small 'optical illusion' of the mini-LED screen having a lightly more 'blueish tone of whites' and the OLED screen having a slightly more "yellowish white tone". Both look great ... the blueish-white of the mini-LED screen might make the overall colours slightly less saturated, but digital artists and graphic designers might find the mini-LED screen to be more accurate and neutral.
So other than the slight difference in "white balance" (which is subjective and is what's creating this slight 'optical illusion' of the new OLED screen being brighter, I can honestly say the difference is so slight as to be almost unnoticeable. Both screens are excellent. I use both iPads side by side on a daily basis and can confidently say that the mini-LED display is just as good, all this initial gushing over the OLED display is either 'exaggerated enthusiasm over this new toy' or an opportunity for a new video topic around the latest hype. After a few months when the hype settles down, most users will likely admit that both screens are pretty much equal. (I've also done comparison with UHD content and have to really look hard to find significant difference).
I'm genuinely confused how you could see no difference, so weird. Are you older? No offense I just honestly don't understand. It's almost twice as bright. I also have these exact displays (the new 13 inch and the M1 12.9) and I've also used them side by side and I just can't believe you would say they're the same.
Maybe you have the nano glass or you applied different screen protectors. These are different screen technologies they don't look and act the same
@@nuggyfresh6430 ... I have spent years doing graphic design and digital art, working in all colour spaces (P3, sRGB, Adobe RGB, CMYK, etc) work with high resolution images and projects over 25 Gb per file (in PSB format) ... so am capable of distinguishing accurate colour and brightness without any issues or barriers (as your question regarding age suggests).
I am just being totally honest that other than the M4 OLED display being calibrated with 'brighter whites' vs the mini LED screens having a slight 'blueish-white' tone (which then makes all colours appear slightly less saturated) ... but other than this, the actual brightness appears pretty much equal.
I've done hours of side by side comparison, watching TH-cam videos including HD ... I've compared the 2 screens watching Avatar - Way of Water, pausing on the exact same video frame on the 12.9" M1 mini-LED next to the 13" (standard glass) M4 OLED screen ... watching with Dolby Vision ... and only when I paused the video and compared very closely ... then I was able to notice a bit of sharper resolution on the OLED M4 iPad Pro screen when comparing the details of jewelry, braided hair and other small details.
However, comparing both the M4 13" OLED (standard glass) iPad Pro or the 2021 M1 12.9" iPad Pro displays against my older 2018 12.9" older display ... the comparison is night and day. The older 2018 IPS LCD display appears far dimmer, and the whites appear almost 'tan' or 'sepia' by comparison to both the M1 mini-LED screen and the M4 13" tandem OLED displays. With the 2018 12.9 iPad Pro, the difference is extreme. But interestingly when viewing content at night, I often reach for this older model because it's 'easy on the eyes', in a dimly lit room ... so even that old iPad is still useful. But I bought the 2TB 13" M4 iPad Pro for the hardware, Ai handling, future proofing ... and love the keyboard and Pencil Pro ... so it's well worth buying ... but as far as the display goes ... it is subtle step up from the previous mini-LED displays.
this looks rigged to market on m4 ipads, this is a paid video after all, not a great reference. my ipad pro m2 display looks so good under the sun. That is already enough.
@@galefraney I agree with you as a fellow designer regarding display.
the old camera angle was atrocious lmao
Definitely DO NOT UPGRADE if you are using M2 iPad Pro. Wait until at least M8 iPad Pro.
M8 is crazy 😂
@@Chitown84 nope, m2 is just that much strong, it will handle every task
@@Chitown84 it will come faster than you think
LOL! Absolutely agree with you! I got the M2 2TB and I wouldnt upgrade for a second from what I have. Its still brand new and I barely actually use it... I just picked up the new S9+ also upgrading from the S7+ which is the Samsung tablet and tbh Im using that one alot more and I LOVE IT! It has a MUCH better picture than the iPad! I got the iPad primarily to do photo/video editing on the road!
Fck it....I want it ALL!
The old front facing cameras were meant for portrait video calls, or not? „You’re using it wrong“ 🤣
How would that work with the keyboard? iPads always been weird.
Who uses portrait mode?! I never once feel like that is what anyone wants to use I know I never do smart covers don’t even allow you to! So stoked they relocated. 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Please make a video about 12" m1 iPad Pro vs m4 iPad Pro, which most people currently have.
How does the sound compare between an M4 and 2018 iPad Pro?
Are the cases and screen protectors suitable for the 12.9 inch iPad Pro suitable for the 13 inch iPad Pro?
the OLED's response time is usually less than 1ms. the 5ms estimate is the apple pencil's response time now
Battery comparison?
The m2 (Mini LED Version) iPad Pro does NOT cap @600nits SDR, this guy is riding on apple’s nuts. I have both and the brightness js the same but the saturation & blacks look good on the M4. OLED is definitely the better display but mini LED isn’t lacking brightness.
Will you be comparing the default vs nano-texture displays at any point?
I did upgrade it. I had both at the same time last week before i sold my M2. Everything in this video is true. I like it a lot better. The much brighter screen in SDR is awesome. I don’t have an Apple Pencil tho. I do have the magic keyboard and the typing is great on it. I watch content on this every day, so it was worth it for me at least.
Only thing I wish was that the Magic Keyboard had more weight in the front. That’s the only thing. If you have angled all the way and the surface is not totally flat, it’s going backwards.
I own a 2018 iPad Pro 11 inch since, should I upgrade ?
That sustained performance on the M4 was suprising.
The lowest loop score of the M4 has 96,5% of the performance of the M2 chip's best loop.
Even over time with heavy workloads this ipad could perform the same as the actively cooled Macbook Pro with the M2 in terms of gpu performance and probably outperform it on the cpu front.
If Apple opened up the OS to support mac applications the sales would probably explode and this device would be next to impossible to get.
When comparing the iPad with the Huawei MatePad 13.2, it's important to note that while the iPad generally outperforms the MatePad in terms of raw performance, both devices are competitive in day-to-day usage. please compare the both devices
also huawei huawei has launched a new laptop with intel latest chips
The 2020 ipad pro was thin to. Is it that thin? Ij waiting on my case from amazon first, mi don’t. Do Magic Keyboard
That's what I wanted to hear. Apple's miniLED was mind-blowing considering it had true black unlike the grays on typical LCDs. The colour accuracy is also great. Of course, with low light you'd have blooming which the tandem OLED doesn't have but man the older display needs due credit. Just last year every single tablet paled in front of a 12.9 inch iPad in display. Even the Samsung OLED with its high reflectivity was bad in front of the miniLED model.
I agree with the conclusion with some add-ons.
Gaming / creativity -- no need to upgrade.
Videos -- yeah, maybe if you use it in pitch dark.
Productivity / Light workplace (meetings etc) -- makes more sense.
Don't have one -- buy a MacBook air instead. 🤣
Great comparison! Can you test for PWM issue on the new iPad?
What issue is this? I’m curious, since I have this iPad.
I have the iPad 2018 12.9. Liked the larger display due to eye issues, and great for scanning documents and emailing them. Am not going to upgrade at this time but like the larger screen size, however the M4 iPad Pro is just not a good fit since I don’t do a lot of productivity. but we’ll see in another four years because that’s what Apple told me that my 2018 will last with software upgrades. I will be honest the new iPad Pro looks pretty good for those that can use it to its full potential
Camera is so bad we didn't notice it until the new model came out lol.
What about the price differences for let’s say 256 or 512 gigs?
please do a similar comparison between Tab S9 and iPad Pro 2024 11, focused on display.
Watch flossy carters review he does it
@@jasonmelo9379 I did, he did not use good 4K HDR videos to do comparison.
@@ytuser1985 well I have the tab S9 ultra and it's amazing. I don't see how the iPad screen can be better especially when Samsung makes them.
I played a game that I would drink every time he said the word tandem OLED. On my way to get my stomach pumped
But what about the comparison to the M1 iPad Pro?
I’m using the iPad Pro 2nd gen 2017! And I’m wanting to upgrade so should I get the iPad Pro m2 2022 or the new one m4?
I am literally in the same boat. Still using my 9.7 inch ipad pro and washer to upgrade this summer.
I am trying to determine if the M2 is ok or should i just go for the M4. Any of your insight would be much appreciated!
Please make a video about the difference between the OLED displays in the iPad M4 11” and the M4 13”. People are saying that the 11” display is quite warmer, and that the 11” panels are made by Samsung, while the 13” panels are made by LG.
I have seen lots of videos and I’m pretty sure there’s a clear difference.
Honestly I think I prefer the mini led, with OLED I would be too paranoid of burn in
If apple are using it, it can’t be prone to burn in.😊
I recently removed the matte screen protector on my ipad pro 10.5 and blacks on that LCD (at middle brightness and under indoor light) look better than on my oled iphone 13 with a spigen screen protector on. Anti reflectivity plays a huge rule. If your ipad is old enough that you can risk scratches on it, try removing the screen protector.
But how about the display reflectivity, because the mini led one has less reflectivity than samsung oled iirc, so im wondering if the reflectivity also gets better on the newer one. Waiting for a video comparing between the new oled and tab s9 ultra plus gorilla armor too. Keep up the good work 🔥💯
Watching this video on my M1 iPad Pro. Still don’t see any reasons to upgrade
Great video bro. Waited for it.
Does the old Magic 12.9 " Keyboard work on n the new 13 and nch iPadPro?
I wish i would have tried it for you. I think it may work, not sure tho.
I was going to get the M2 Ipad Pro on a sale price , but after seeing the huge differences, especially with the display quality, blooming and refresh response, something i never noticed before, i rather hold on for it
I switching to Oled over my first generation iPad Pro with LCD
lol. I’m still using my 11” iPad Pro 1st gen. They didn’t change anything but cameras and chip, up until now.
I’ve been using ipad pro 10.5 for about 6 years. I don’t have a laptop so it’s my main device and I’m using it for about 5 hours a day. Right now I’m considering between ipad pro 11 m4 and ipad air 13. The tandem oled screen looks so amazing but i mainly use ipad for youtube, web browing and read some comics so I think ipad air 13 isn’t a bad choice at all. Ipad pro 10.5 is 120Hz so if I use ipad air 13 with 60Hz, will it be noticeable? Which one do you think I should upgrade?
m4 iPad pro feels even smoother in animations than the 10.5 inch iPad pro from when I tried it in store. 60hz is a lot more noticeable on iPad but you could try it on your 10.5 inch by switching on 'limit frame rate' in settings. Keep it on for a few days and see if you can forget that it was ever limited to 60hz at all. I feel like I'd forget when I'm concentrating on the content anyway. new iPads also support 4k youtube which is a big reason to upgrade (if you like to zoom on the app), 1080p looks grainy to me.
Go with m4, else you will absolutely hate the 60hz display. If you don’t believe me, go in settings then accessibility then motion then turn on the toggle for limit frame rate, this will give you experience of a 60hz display
@@zeusx6479 Thank you so much for your advice. I had tried the 60Hz as you said, and the change is noticeable. M4 is a bit pricey but I guess I will stick with it.
@@user-kf8kw9cg3f Thank you so much for your advice. I had tried the 60Hz as you said, and the change is noticeable. M4 is a bit pricey but I guess I will stick with it.
Looks like it's time to upgrade from my current Ipad pro 12.9 2018
If you own an iPad Pro with an A12X or A12Z chip and it’s still snappy and responsive, then you should keep it and enjoy it. If the battery health is not good then get another battery installed by Apple. This is especially true if you have an M1 or M2 Pro as these two previous gens are still overkill for iPadOS. Keep what you have and enjoy it.
Thanks for the comparison. Think I'll stick with my M1 Pro for at least another year.
That centered camera is literally worth the upgrade alone! 2TB here I come!!! 😄
Can't wait for these tandem OLED displays to come to the Macs.
The camera bump looks so much better in the cases
I’m loving my new iPad Pro m4 13 inch!
You said its worth upgrading from my 2021 m2 11' to m4 11' right?
That’s not what he said…
My 11 inch m4 has the best hdr video I've seen from a computer or tablet.
The year to year comparisons are out of date. Who upgrades their ipad every year? I consider upgrading my 7 year olds ipad, and am interested in all the gains between then and now. Year to year is splitting hairs.
The burn-in resale value of the new ones will be so bad. OLED is OLED and OLED invariably burns in.
We’ve had OLED in iOS products since the iPhone X. How many iPhones have had burn in problems? Would love a source
@@jj454 Nearly all of them have burn in that are actually used for hours for years, there are countless sources if you care to do one google search. For a chronic consoomer who buys a new one each year, it's harder to see.
I hate when manufacturers rather make the device thinner while keeping the same battery life because some things improved, instead of making an actually better device with better battery life at the same previous size.
6:55 holy shit that makes a huge difference, i might as well wait for a new macbook pro that has this tandem oled and not the mini led. Meantime keeping my 2nd gen ipad pro because it can still do things i like, 120hz promotion, and update to latest ios and still much more powerful than most normal laptops
Please compare the Pro M2 models with the Air M2 models 🙏🏻
battery life..?
somehow new iPad Pro microphone is better than old one despite they budget cut microphone parts
I’m afraid to switch to (tandem)oled because of burn-in. Tandem might burn in slower but still it feels like buying a candle
I am gonna stick with my M1 ipad pro, especially because I spent too much money for the 16gb and 1tb version back in 2021. the only thing i am concerned with is battery capacity, power util is telling me i am already on 470 cycles and I am a very intensive user ( I am a student)
I compared the IPad Pro 12.9 M1 and the new 13 IPad Pros speaker side by side. Only one who is paid by Apple can say that there is nearly no difference.
I really like the new IPad Pro and will keep it, but the speaker of the M1 IPad Pro are much better. They are louder, clearer and have much more bass (for their size).
Many users on Reddit confirm this.
imagine making the Liquid Retina XDR Display (previously the world's best display on a tablet) look bad in a HDR test...
I'll keep my M2 12.9 2 TB and just buy the new keyboard case .May get the regular one for my dad to check his stocks.
Both look great on my iPhone 11 screen. So I guess I’ll have my iPhone 11 instead
Battery comparison? 🤔
And the batery ???
I can't believe you didn't show the screen size difference !
Somehow the microphones on the new iPad sounds better
Why noone compare the NPUs?
Apple needs to bring back the old camera it looks way more premium
I’m glad I waited and didn’t get the M2 iPad Pro. Now I’m ready for the M4.
'I've had the old bull, now I'm ready for the young calf"
great video thank you!
They’re almost caught up to the 14in Samsung ultra tablet with the camera on the long side that Samsung released 3 years ago.
What is the song called which he used for sound comparison?
That's tough call. I would say the M2 or M1 is a better deal. If you're not a creative professional, you wouldn't notice the difference. Watching TH-cam, playing mobile games are not very intensive and a calculator can browse the web and open your mail so It's a tough buy if you don't have an excess of money laying around. ultimately you would have to ask yourself what you really do with it and then purchase an iPad based on that usage. If I could draw, I would definitely get either of these units :) lol
Try a speaker comparison with just dialog, like a movie or a typical TH-cam video. The 13” M4 sounds atrocious in comparison.
Oh no he said the words! Raid! Shadow! Legends! 😂
If you got a 12.9 iPad Pro 6th gen it’s not worth the upgrade to go 10 percent faster because you won’t notice it
Well this time the m2 actually lost lest battery compared to the m4 in wildlife extreme
The M4 is really great tech … the only problem is that it’s $600 overpriced. There … I answered all your questions.🙄
Thank you. Maybe in a year or 2, it will be worth the screen upgrade. The power doesn’t matter with iPad OS.
I’ll hold out for more battery life on the Pro in future iterations.
Apple usually listens to their customer's requests about 4-6 years later.
The air should have been thinner, and the pro should have had more battery life.
Make a comparison video to Surface Pro
but what about M3 chip?only m2 and m4?where is m3-chip??
Hope iphone 16 series and new macbook pro m4 chipset series come with tandem oled this year!!!
Blacks are better, but Whites are much worse on OLED. Definitely a dirty yellowish look to my eyes comparing to my M1. In isolation it's probably fine, but running in sidecar with my MacBook Pro, the difference would be noticeable.
6:28 why no burn-in?
As an iPad Pro m2 12.9 user, at the end of the day the iPad can never meet the true performance for 99% of daily tasks. These two iPads are nearly identical minus the screen. I personally think apple released these new iPads so their lower end model iPads sell off the shelves.
please review ipad12.9 air vs ipad 12.9 pro🙏
We need
ipad pro 2022 vs ipad air 2024 comparison
To be fair, where i live the new ipad pros are actually 6% cheaper
Macs need oled too. It will be serious reason for update to me from my macbook mini-led. Response time on it is just horrible, but still best display on market by color grading
That’s what I’m seriously waiting on. I tried and really liked the current M-series MacBook Pros. But even at 120Hz the mini-LED tech still made animations look blurry to me. And I immediately realized that the response time of the tech was responsible. And other than some nice dimming zones, I didn’t see much of difference between my mid-2015 MacBook Pro’s screen vs the current ones.
And I’ve been waiting for Apple to put OLED in the computers… I hope they do so this year as that would be an instant purchase for me.
@@MrSamPhoenix yup, it’s because of horrible responce time around 40-90ms. On m3 macs it’s around 40-60 but still it’s visually blurry.
I honestly think apple will make the iPadOS an hybrid with the macOS and iOS soon because all this power on a iPad aren’t making much sense if we can’t take advantage it…
Almost upgraded iPad Pro
i must be watching a different video to these commenters, that screen comparison is wild it’s over for my mini LED iPad i want that OLED