Tandem OLED Explained | The New iPad Pro's REAL Magic
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I haven't had an iPad for about 8 years, so I picked up the new iPad Pro last week. It's reaaaaaally nice, the display is nuts.
I have the first iPad Pro they released, I wonder if there is actually anything significantly improved and the new one is more usable for daily usage and general work.
Same here! My last iPad was seven years ago!
It’s nice but every time I want to buy one, I think, but my MacBook can do more… so I don’t buy one
I still use my 2018 12.9 inch iPad Pro, and that thing is great. I did see the new one yesterday, and was pretty impressed, but I don’t think it’s time for me to upgrade just yet. I also have a new 16 MBP, so I often use the iPad with that, using Apple’s universal control feature. If you have not tried it, you should, it’s great.
I really need a new iPad!
LG made “dual-stack” OLED screens for the Mercedes “Hyperscreen” dashboard display as far back as 2020.
Yeah, and for this new iPad Pro‘s tandem OLED also from LG, I heard.
Samsungs QD-OLED have 3 layer
@@ameserich it's not the same qd panel is adding the yellow into the pixel and having 3 pane tech
Tandem is 2 OLED panel stack opposite mega diff
@@brawrrrXO bro its the same, the difference is that they were never able to do it until now on RGB-OLED. On WOLED/QD-OLED they could just stack same color OLED on each subpixel, B/B/B on QD-OLED and B/Y/B or whatever on W-OLED. Imagine on QD-OLED you just need to deposite Blue 3x and you would have 3 stack, how complicated would a 2-stack RGB-OLED be?
"Literally" stacking 2 oled panel would be very inefficient
An a dual display notebook last year, so isn't the first consumer product with this type of display, only the high volume product.
"one information I don't have is how the light from one layer goes through the second layer"
Man, that's like the only thing i wanted to know from this video lol
the layer already semi transparant, this is not uncommon technology.
woled tv use 3 emitting layer with CGL in between and qd oled in tv use 2 up to 3 blue emitting layer with CGL too. ipad just first true rgb tandem oled in tablet not first tandem oled in consumer device.
@@syahrialmoeda No other OLED display on the market that's bigger than 7 inches has 1000 nits of fullscreen brightness though.
@@utubekullanicisi
Sadly, yes, because the power loss in a long power line (from edge to edge), so a bigger display means severe power loss, I hope there is some display innovation mimicking PowerVia/Backside Power Delivery Network in IC tech that simplifies wiring because early CPU chip powered from edge to edge like display too.
@@syahrialmoeda Tandem OLED accomplishes the goal of making a bigger display with higher fullscreen brightness, as we see on the new iPads. It's possible that a backside power delivery-like advancement pushes the fullscreen brightness even further in the future, I certainly wouldn't say no to more brightness as I don't think even 1000 nits of fullscreen brightness is the endgame.
Its only 50%.. the second layer only increases the brightness to 150% and a third will increase it to 175%
Thanks Caleb! I was really looking forward to your take on this technology, and how it compares to the best top-tier TVs. You hit it out of the park!
Can you please get one of these iPads and do a full review on its display? Put up against a QD OLED tv!
Caleb says: "....OLED sammich..." 😂
You can take the boy out of the South, but you can't take the South out of the boy....
Digital Trends, This is great! I liked it and subscribed!
Loved this explainer. Thank you.
Awesome job to explain this to us. Thanks for that!
Thanks for shedding some light into this tech! Any plans to review the 2024 Samsung HW-Q990D soundbar?
Glad to see iPad review on this channel
I wonder if this will get into the Apple Vision Pro or other XR/VR glasses
nice review , please include review on sub pixel arrangement and rendering for displays as well
Sony introduced the first consumer OLED TV, the XEL-1.
December of 2008.
Finally, I knew they were going to do a video on it. I was just wondering when.
A Tandem OLED screen from BOE is in the Honour Magic 6 Ultimate phone
$1500 for that Chinese phone? It makes Apple look like a bargain in comparison
And thw Honor Magic 5 Pro too.
Huawei also uses Tandem OLED in at least 1 product.
@@trippplefive It's 850....
@@trippplefivethere are multiple Chinese phones more expensive than iPhone and it's not a problem, because they are much better.
@@mateuszptaszynski5377lol you must not live in America.
Please do a video on the potential of the blue pholed subpixel
I bought the 13” Ipad M4 and compared it side by side with the previous M1 MiniLED and it is astoundingly different! Even though the peak brightness figures are the same the contrast difference is incredible! Also, the pixel response is so much quicker on the OLED vs MiniLED backlight meaning that motion clarity is much better (even though the refresh rate is the same). Truly a huge leap, cannot wait until more displays get his tech!
This is such an interesting video! Thank you!
Apparently LG have shipped a lot of tandem OLED screens to the automotive industry since around 2019.
Which automative industry? Which cars are using them?
The genesis gv80 2025 will have an OLED display
@@heisenberg4763 the automotive industry on this planet.
No
I've had the latest iPad for a week now. Definitely the beset display I've see. Cant wait for tv's to come out with this.
Wonderful video. I learned a lot.
This display is absolutely stunning!
can you please tell me if in a dark room, with minimum brightness on the screen does it exhibit a green tint? Most Oled do this at minimum brightness. Thanks
Awesome - thank you for this
Good review
Very helpful!!
I have been very hard on the iPad Pro (2024). I still feel it’s too powerful. But the display is one area of improvement that makes sense, and the M4 allows that to happen.
Thanks for putting a spotlight on it!
Great explanation video
Other than black levels, how does it compare to the mini-LED display in MacBook Pros?
How does the mini-LED display in MacBook Pros compare, across the board, to popular consumer TVs like the LG OLEDs?
Great, thanks for the video; can't wait for the next one! 😊😉
I wish they would just go ahead and make an actual TV. I don’t think LG, Sony or Samsung would be able to compete.
The U8N is currently on sale for $1099.99 at Best Buy. Great deal!
Got the iPad Pro with m2. Went to the Apple Store and got my hands on the new m4 iPad Pro …. I bought it, the screen is gorgeous and seems to have smoother refresh rate and feel like butter, oh and it’s so thin! So worth it
Just a reality check: Upgrading from an M2 iPad pro to an M4 is not worth it. Just letting you know.
I was under the impression that tandem OLED is more power efficient than a single layer OLED. The reasoning being, that getting more light of out a single pixel is a process of diminishing returns. So by having 2 stacked on top of each other, they are running closer to their peak efficiency.
I think there is reason to believe that the new OLED screens on the iPad are not that much more power hungry than the previous LCDs or OLEDs on Android tablets.
Porsche Taycan has tandem oled has for a couple of years also honor also have tandem olex
From what LG Financial reports state, Tandem OLED screens have been big sellers to Car manufacturers, so that screen size is prevalent just not in phones/tablet.
Also Huwaei/Honor released some phone a few months back with same tandem OLED. Its just the difference of Marketing.
Just returned my new 11” oled iPad Pro M4. Tried it for 3 days and couldn’t cope with the eye strain . Practically ran to our local Staples store and purchased their last 12.9’ iPad Pro , and went on their website and ordered another 11 “ pro gen 4 before they’re all gone .
FYI I’m a huge proponent of Oled tv’s , as I own an LG 65” C2 and a 48” c2 , but have no issues. I use blue blocker reading glasses while using computer monitors, so blue light is not the issue , I heard it may be refresh rate or something . All I know is I cannot use these new iPads . I put my iPad gen 3 beside the new iPad Pro M4 , and I actually found the older iPad Pro had better dynamic range imo , which makes no sense, as Oled is a self emitting technology ,but it’s what I noticed in a side by side comparison . Also oled looked washed out a bit , and turning down the brightness did not help , neither did tru tone .
It will 😊 be interesting to hear what other peoples experiences are
My experience with 11” M4 totally doesn’t line up with that but I’m sorry to hear you had that experience.
Agreed with iMax absolutely in love with the 11 inch iPad since day 1. Interestingly i also have LG C2 and the brightness is just mesmerising on the ipad
@@iMaxPatten ya I don’t get it either . It’s such a shame,as I like how they finally figured out to move the front camera , and that little bit less weight and a little thinner was an added bonus
What about eye strain? Is there a difference between Air 11 with LCD screen and Pro 11 with Tandem OLED screen?
I also wanna know..
I remember a number of years back that a TV manufacturer showed off a TV using this same premise at one of the trade shows. Can't remember the name of the maker but it wasn't one of the big ones like Samsung or LG.
It was a 4K LCD panel up front, and a 1080p LCD panel under that. The idea was to use the 1080p layer as basically a micro dimming zones layer to improve the contrast of the TV. Basically 2 million dimming zones. Product never made it to market but it was an interesting idea.
I wonder if it is possible to merge Micro lens array technology with QDOT so as to get astounding result
And merge MLA with eventual QDEL. Displays would probably draw half the power and pixels would never wear out.
very nice thanks for the lesson, OLEDS have been the star of displays for a while its nice to see an innovation that tackles one of its downfalls. Hoping to see tandem tech in gaming monitors which see heavy use from avid gamers like myself!
That is amazing from Apple well done
Those parameters are incredible and only achievable with something like a Sony pro mastering monitor BVM-HX310 which costs $30,000.
I have one I can tell you the screen is amazing. I have the Sony a95l qdoled an it blows that away an it’s an awesome tv.
Fantastic!
Few mistakes, WOLED uses white OLEDs for subpixels and a colour filter to produce red, green and blue. The ipads display uses 2 regular amoled panels together.
Yea he also made it seem like the only types of oled screens are qd oled and w-oled
Correction LG makes Apple’s tandom screens. Samsung makes amoled screens.
@@disastermaster1413
tandem oled is AMOLED, AMOLED just means specific addresing scheme (hold and sample display) and antonym for PMOLED, like AMLCD antonym from PMLCD
AM = Active Matrix
PM = Passive Matrix
the abbreviation means something technical not just cool display name.
@@syahrialmoedaLCD is already AM since 30 years ago. AMOLED is just OLED.
@@maou5025
that's true, AMLCD came first.
I think the tandem oled "explained" is a little light on the "explained " part. It could very well be me missing out on explanation details. I'm old after all...
Impressive.. could this technically be done on monitors ?
being a member of this channel is expensive, just ordered the new M4 iPad & bought the Hisense 100U8k and 85” TCL QM8 recently 🤣. My last ipad was the standard 7th gen base model.
lol, surprisingly it's cost me nothing 😀 I have a 10 year-old Sony 3d TV that I don't want to replace but have no choice eventually but to. If we've invested in anything it's iPads for the family but we usually get the cheap ones on sale although my daughter wanted the new one with the pencil (that she never used) and an iPhone 15 so she's costing me quite a bit.
@@techsamurai11 Chase Sapphire Reserve has a great promotion where you can get Apple products for much cheaper using the credit card points. I just picked up the iPad Pro 13” for almost free.
I hardly ever use my m2 MacBook Pro for a couple reasons. First 1 my WiFi range sucks so when I do wanna watch TH-cam on something other than my iPhone it doesn’t pick up on the back deck and when it does it’s not an oled screen. For 2 that’s all I do with it shop and watch. Is it worth me trading in my M2 MacBook Pro for the top tier iPad Pro if that’s all I do. P.s. I work from my phone that’s why I don’t use my computer, I would be able to get 5g on the iPad
"Introducing the new Triple-Layer OLED (Tri-OLED) TV from Samsung!"
"New from LG, the Quad-OLED G7! Bring your sunglasses!"
Tha same happened to niniLED.
It started on an iPad, and now it is in plenty TVs.
Two oleds together means double the heat right? I’d assume they’re more susceptible to burn in. Not to mention the heat from battery and m4 chip
It’s the opposite actually. Both OLED layers can run at lower power to produce the same or increased brightness. This lowers heat and increases OLED lifespan theoretically
Rewatch the video. Caleb suspects Apple had to address that.
@@Mr.Martini549 Caleb doesn’t know a single thing about this display and he’s completely speculating.
What about AMOLED displays? How do they compare against these tecnologíes?
Thanks Caleb for the video, and I really appreciate that you’re upfront about not knowing the details behind this stuff. Apple likes to market the help out of their ‘magic’ but sometimes, these obscure some seriously tough research and engineering issues that they’ve solved.
And trust me, almost every TV need is going to be a monitor or tablet screen nerd too. Nit nerds don’t discriminate.
Display on honor magic 6 rsr
Please please please, does it use PWM?? TVs don’t but for w.e. Horrid reason phones do.
If this doesn’t and it trickles down the phone line up that’d be wonderful!
I will be stuck on LCD iPhone until then.
It's already available on LG Gram Fold & HP Spectre Fold.
And some premium EV cars
That apple ad crushing art supplies and musical instruments which are expensive and precious to artists was a stupid decision. The amount of money being charged for the iPad pro is insane.
You forgot to mention that Honor Magic 6 RSR used Tandem OLED before Apple.
But cudos to apple to use it in tablet and solve power efficiency issues.
How many oled versions are there
Three types
W oled
Sony a80l and lg c3
Mla oled
Lg g3
Qd oled
Samsung s95d and Sony A95l
Tandem oled is a new oled tech
@@GanesanSridhar There are many more in the mobile device category.
@@boshi9 yah but in tvs and monitors three types only
@@GanesanSridharDon’t forget inkjet OLED aka JOLED :)
Samsung has another one with 950 nits full window APL. It's in my 4-5 year old laptop. It's the king of OLEDs. You can't look at an OLED TV after seeing it. They are just too dim.
cant wait to see when nano texture scratches 😂
I am confused why it’s significant. Is it just the size? The iPhone 15 pro can hit 2000 nits peak for example. It does look great but not worth it with the gimped iPad OS
If you could get a tandem OLED screen to hit 1000 nits full screen at 55 in I'd be pretty damn excited for that.
Because the TV that has a back plane that is capable of scanning out at 480 frames per second could be really great for BFI and CRT like motion clarity out of an OLED panel.
If I could get a panel that could be 350 nits with less motion blur and no need for interpolation we could finally ditch LCD Tech
1000nits full screen would be a total waste of energy and require sunglasses to watch. Just make it more efficient at this point.
I’m obsessed with the new iPad Pro. Bought it on day one. The screen is simply stunning. The only thing Apple needs to do now, is sort out the iPadOS… All this power with no where to go.
Qd-oled and W-oled are not the only types of oled, most small screens are AMOLED, which just uses red green and blue pixels, pretty much like lg's w-oled without the white sub pixel
Apple isn't the first to use Tandem OLED.
Honor Magic 6 Pro and Honor Magic 6 Ultimate both use Tandem OLED panels from BOE.
Huawei also has at least 1 device with Tandem OLED.
LG Display also makes 17-inch Tandem OLED foldable panels.
The Tandem OLED used in the iPad Pro is a double-layer AMOLED, so there is no color filter and other elements like TFT and other layers that scatter light. I will be astonished by a TANDEM AMOLED with MLA 3.0 (Micro Lens array) that boosts brightness. We may see 4000 nits peak HDR brightness in the OLED space soon.
How come they don't make larger 10"x14" / 12"x18" etc. IPad's for artists etc.? That would sure be great competition for those larger weighty digital
desktop displays. Since these IPad batteries are so small why not even make bigger plug in batteries 1"x4", 2"x4" or 3"x4" for desktops (or carry along)
for longer lasting charge spans? If IPads got that big they could even make raised mounts that fit on your lap so you could sit in a park etc. and do
your drawing. What do you say, Caleb?
Woled does not use red green and blue pixels. They are all white pixels and they go through a colour filter.
I have the new M4 iPad Pro, with the Tandem OLED screen, and I can assure you the hype is real. It has the single best display I have seen on any product. It beats any TV you can think of, LG G4, G3, Sony A95L or Samsung S95D. In full screen, high light output HDR scenes, these TV’s look dim in comparison. Can’t wait for LG to bring this tech to the G5, or G6.
Is it brighter than the iPhone 15?
No, not in terms of nits. But because the iPad is larger, the total luminance of the whole display is much higher.@@techsamurai11
@@techsamurai11 If you’re talking about the iPhone 15 Pro Max, yes, slightly. The real innovation is that OLED screens this size 11”, 13” have never been this bright. Especially at full screen.
@@Sonola777 I only have the iPhone 15 which is also 1600 peak brightness with 1000 nits so it's probably the same as the iphone 15 Pro Max.
My daughter's iPhone 15 was less bright than my Samsung S10+ which was shocking.
So if the 1600 nits aren't really 1600 except under special conditions, then I do wonder how the Tandem will do against my laptop which hits a sustained ~1,000 full window.
@@techsamurai11 The 15 definitely can’t get as bright as the 15 Pro Max. To be clear, the M4 iPad Pro can get to 1000 nits full screen sustained and 1600 nits in HDR sustained. Apple aren’t joking when they say it’s the most advanced display on the market.
Apple has some of the best products in their iPad line so good
Will this solve the burn in issues with OLED?
It's funny that Apple is acting like it's brighter than the previous Mini LED iPad or the iPhone
2:30 it’s when he actually starts explaining it
It would not be possible without the M4 chip with both the efficiency and be able drive both layers in perfect sync plus lots of AI magic. M4 is the real hero here. The tech is also coming to Mac in 2025
Samsung has had Super AMOLED panels in their tablets since 2017 with the Galaxy S3 Tab. They are by far the leader and mobile AMOLED panels. I wouldn't be surprised if they're making this tandem panel for Apple.
The S9 Ultra tablet has a14.6-inch Dynamic AMOLED 2X display has a resolution of 2,960 by 1,848 pixels with a refresh rate of up to 120Hz, a peak brightness of 930 nits, and an effective aspect ratio of 16:10.
Interesting what's the full window brightness? This could be the screen I have in my Dell Oled laptop - it's 800 nits full window with peaks of 965. It also has a filter that I've never seen before - very effective at antiglare without being matte (green iridescent tint). The screen is glorious and way better than the iPhone 15 and 13 in terms of color.
How does the light pass through? How is it thinner despite having 2 layers? Who manufactures the panel? Is the power consumption more/less/the same? Who knows, it’s just an EXPLAINED video.
0.1mm thin, so it is an incredible display. And also, they can do flexible displays for automotive industry and also foldables with Tandem OLED tech
Does tandem OLED mean that the new iPad pro could technically be capable of 3d since it’s two stacked displays?
Could this be the savior of Oled, we will have to wait and see what Samsing and LG come up with.
They won't want to pay Apple a massive fee to use this panel type.
My confidence is still in Mini or Micro LED displays.
Having had my fingers burned with an LG Oled, i don't want another period!
What Apple pulled off is impressive. This will definitely drive more innovation and push the prices downward.
This video left me more confused than I was before. You say it is WRGB-OLED but then Apple’s own footage shows the the RGB layout we know from the Nintendo Switch instead. And when it comes to the important questions like how the bottom panel‘s light manages to get through or why we didn‘t see this earlier in any other displays you have no answer or have to speculate? Why release this video already then and not finish the research first?
I am watching this video on the new 13 iPad Pro with 1TB of memory (I use 100GB).
Then why the 1 tb? 😂
Does this not open the door for Apple to finally produce its own TV ? That has been rumored many times before, maybe this opens the door to that possibility. At the very least there is bound to be some “Apple tech” that Apple will license to the TV manufacturers. In some respects this is a significant departure from Apple’s “never-first” mentality. Interesting times ahead for sure.
Tandem OLED what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😂
It isn’t two entire oleds. There’s a tear down that shows they combined two layers of light diodes.
I don't think OLED is the future, I think Micro LED is and its only getting better..
I imagine a future where MicroLEDs and OLED become the only options in the display industry; at the moment, MicroLEDs are too expensive
I wouldn’t object if Apple made the big iPad 4k and advertise it the way TVs do supporting hdr10+, Dolby vision, imax enhanced, Dolby atmos etc etc also the rec 2020 + color measurements, higher pixel density, 10 or 12 bit colors -the whole shabang
You did this whole video without going to see one of the iPads for yourself? How strange.
Manufacturers (such as LG) have been showing transparent OLED displays on tradeshows for years. So it takes no genius to figure out that the second OLED layer in the iPad has to be a transparent one. That's the whole magic.
Rememeber Samsung most likely makes these since they've been making tandem oleds for the past few years. Amazing quality screen
I don’t know Apple keeps laying off people, Mac sales are dropping like crazy and Tim leaving everything is up in the air with Apple. Anyone else experiencing really bad autocorrect on iOS it seems to be getting worse every version.
Agree! AutoCorrect is terrible.
Maybe now the 'Apple TV' will become an 'Apple TV' ;-)
As far as I know, the Samsung Galaxy Tab S8+ that I use produces 1750 nits without any double layer, and at the same time it is really very bright in live, and its brightness does not drop when there are a lot of bright objects, as if it does not have ABL. So maybe Tandem OLED is just marketing, unless, of course, it miraculously displays 100% of the BT. 2020 space.
What? No!! The Galaxy Tab S8 only hits 480 it’s not even comparable and the 14inch S9 only 930. And that’s in specular highlights like a star. Apple does 1,000 nits full screen and 1600nits highlights.
@@NexGenTek So ChatGPT lied to me, I'll know.) I didn't think that the S8 has such a low brightness, but it looks very bright.
@@Dmitrys1961 Lied big time
@@Dmitrys1961Off topic, but be careful using chatgpt as your source. Let this be a lesson.
pretty impressive, but why don't they incorporate this display technology into their more practical MacBook models?
so a bright tv is a better tv? what is this brightness war about? i will never understand
Not to take away from Apple’s contribution to, what I’m calling, T-OLED but… has LG not been producing T-OLED for automotive use for several years already? Like since 2019?
iPhones (if not all OLED phones) use RGB panels. Not WOLED.
They use these screens in vehicles already.
Predict double ghosting on this new panels
Nope