2019 Kia Rio GT-Line (1.0 turbo) 0-100km/h & engine sound

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  • 2019 Kia Rio GT-Line (1.0 turbo) 0-100km/h & engine sound. Head over to performancedri... for the full review.
    2019 Kia Rio GT-Line
    1.0-litre turbo three-cylinder
    88kW and 172Nm
    Seven-speed dual-clutch auto, front-wheel drive
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  • @blake301987
    @blake301987 6 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    Great video guys. Would be great if they made a actual GT version of this car with their 1.6 turbo engine, it'd be a proper hot hatch.

    • @GregTyson
      @GregTyson 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I'd buy it

    • @assada
      @assada 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      even better would be to fit the 2.0 turbo from the base stinger. If VW can fit a 2.0 turbo to a Polo GTI so can Kia.

    • @thesilentgametestr
      @thesilentgametestr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Kia picanto isn’t meant to be a hot hatch though

    • @blake301987
      @blake301987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@thesilentgametestr Neither is a Polo, Fiesta, Up, Clio or 208, but they all make fantastic hot hatches with a decent motor.

    • @thesilentgametestr
      @thesilentgametestr 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      blake301987 no, but they have been around years with hot hatch variants, the picanto has never had an engine greater than 1.2, this car was aimed at people who are old, want cheap running motor or first car hence why until not it’s never had anything with a turbo... depending on the design of this little turbo engine I’m sure a remap will gain it a decent amount extra to make it my zippy.

  • @Zenzuu
    @Zenzuu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    This is actually faster than my previous car which was a Toyota Corolla 2007, took 11 seconds to reach 100.

    • @mtay65
      @mtay65 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mine is faster than yours. I could do 9.8s but this Rio is even faster!

    • @supercooled
      @supercooled 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Progress my dudes. I had a 1.6l Accent with 138HP which felt pretty zippy but the same engine with a turbo getting "201" HP feels much faster top end. Lower end torque say it's higher but I really feel it more top end.

    • @Daniel-ww3hl
      @Daniel-ww3hl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s some high speed counting

    • @loganlowe7290
      @loganlowe7290 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@supercooled I'm looking into taking that same 1.6 t a d putting it in a 09 rio5. Lol. Rn the car runs 8.46 0-60 mph with just headers, fuel pump, ngk coils and plugs, throttle body. No tune yet

    • @supercooled
      @supercooled 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@loganlowe7290 I have a Kia Forte5 with the 201hp cellared engine. No tune but exhaust and down pipe. Feels quicker then stock but it’s nothing compared to my new outback XT. 2.4litre 260hp this thing pulls man.

  • @lukuscannon9697
    @lukuscannon9697 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An in-depth real world review of this car would be really good

  • @lordstorm8555
    @lordstorm8555 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Snuck up on a friend with a 2018 rio. Literally so quiet it could be a windless day and no noise, i swear no one would even know you pulled up on them at all, exept for AC compresser.

  • @yanni6969
    @yanni6969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    They need to put the same engine as the cerato GT in this. Would be a decent hot hatch then.

  • @GhostOfAMachine
    @GhostOfAMachine 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I live in the US and if it comes here, I would buy it in a heartbeat

    • @daviddeveloper44
      @daviddeveloper44 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Spray paint it yellow and put new hubcaps on the us version.done.

  • @tonywright8342
    @tonywright8342 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I wouldn't buy one, but put in a 1.6 Turbo and I would have one for sure.

  • @gabrielsirialevario3505
    @gabrielsirialevario3505 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Belleza de auto, en mi pais es muy apreciado por su durabilidad en las pistas espantosas con huecos de Lima

  • @VladPayne
    @VladPayne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any ideas why does it resonate at 2:00?
    A lot of these engines do resonate fiercely at low load at 1500-2000rpm, mine is no exception on a hyundai i20

  • @displayname7525
    @displayname7525 ปีที่แล้ว

    What drive mode was the 0-100 conducted in, Eco, Normal or Sport?

  • @dheeradjlachman9658
    @dheeradjlachman9658 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very Good looking car i like Kia Rio nice GT line trim!

  • @Mr360mafiya
    @Mr360mafiya ปีที่แล้ว

    This isnt sports mode right? When doing the 0-100. Cheers

  • @_TheUninvited
    @_TheUninvited 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This is actually a second faster than my Civic X 1.8L 😭

    • @synysterdemon
      @synysterdemon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We're in the same situation buddy

    • @killer3000ad
      @killer3000ad 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well the Rio is 85 kg lighter and the Civic uses a CVT while the Rio is a DCT, so it all adds up.

    • @TheMrDannie
      @TheMrDannie 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I made with a professional timer 8,65 with my 1.8 Civic IX(same details)(manual). You have an automatic(CVT) or you're just shift slowly.

    • @supercooled
      @supercooled 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      A senior with a walker is faster than your turd civic.

  • @alexalmagro2193
    @alexalmagro2193 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi great work guys thoroughly enjoy all your posts. Any idea when the cerato gt will be tested?

  • @NUMPAD41
    @NUMPAD41 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Does the exhaust of the Kia rio 4 Gt Line make any noise? You hear a little bit about the video, but what could that mean in real life?

    • @sjoerd717
      @sjoerd717 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pretty late reaction but no not at all only hear the engine i drive a rio gt line and thinking about a exhaust upgrade

  • @joeythegoof5410
    @joeythegoof5410 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have the 2019 kia rio S here in america. I really want to modify it to make it more like the GT line

  • @7amido12
    @7amido12 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sometimes I question the longevity of such small turbocharged engines. I wish honda brings a reincarnation of the s2000 in the future.

    • @dheeradjlachman9658
      @dheeradjlachman9658 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope so too Honda💪

    • @ashcosmo3854
      @ashcosmo3854 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too but if they're only making 88 KW I wouldn't worry about it too much

    • @ivannevistic1088
      @ivannevistic1088 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Small turbo engines go overheat often and their efficience is very conditioned to weather and driving style.. also they're relatively expensive to repair, etc.

    • @7amido12
      @7amido12 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I drive a 4 cylinder 1.5 litre mazda 2 with around 100 hp and i am happy so far with the acceleration, handling, etc. It's not a bad power output for an engine that size i reckon

  • @purple2275
    @purple2275 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hmmm think I might test drive it.

  • @rabidsminions2079
    @rabidsminions2079 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Add a BOV, bigger intercooler, Dyno tuned. Should be able to do 7 flat to 100.

  • @ruimpn1077
    @ruimpn1077 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 2013 Kia Rio SLi and wanted the new Rio....but its GT Line only comes in auto no GT manual version like the Picanto GT....so i got that....0-100 the same but much much more fun to drive.

  • @nordianakamaruddin5726
    @nordianakamaruddin5726 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why 3rd to 4th gear change seems like clutch slipping ?

  • @박쿄-h2q
    @박쿄-h2q 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my favorite car~ kia best

    • @miatand1156
      @miatand1156 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So true. There are around seven in my family and we will probably only buy Kia again. So much better than all the cars we suffered with in the past. Utterly reliable and so much better than the price suggests.

  • @madrx2
    @madrx2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Best part of this car is at 4:13

    • @AntJoseph_
      @AntJoseph_ 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You tried it

  • @KhaleedAiril
    @KhaleedAiril 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    why australia didnt get keyless entry and digital ac

    • @CrookedNose2131
      @CrookedNose2131 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just bought one and I don't care about keyless entry. Is it really so hard to press the button on your key to unlock your car?

  • @Zdh1998
    @Zdh1998 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    motor knocking at minute 3:37

  • @ivanbrankovic1628
    @ivanbrankovic1628 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    with this engine and seats and etc. does not deserve to get GT, only gt-line.

  • @MzwandileHarmans
    @MzwandileHarmans 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    0-100 looked like 13sec

    • @fredfinks
      @fredfinks 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      its 10 seconds. 3:40 to 3:50

  • @castolo5755
    @castolo5755 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's faster my Rio 2018 with 1.6L and 122HP

  • @GokantheHusky
    @GokantheHusky 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do a Kia Picanto GT next.
    Edit: New location :O. No more cicadas?

    • @PDriveTV
      @PDriveTV  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Coming soon. And yes, this is our new location. Easier/nicer to film, fewer shadows and much quieter :)

  • @yiannitaousakis7492
    @yiannitaousakis7492 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    KIA Cerato GT next??

    • @PDriveTV
      @PDriveTV  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not next but coming soon :)

    • @Handleyman
      @Handleyman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just bought the Kia Cerato GT. What a rocket and sticks to the road like shit to a blanket! I love it!

  • @garystinten9339
    @garystinten9339 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can anyone tell me the OBD2 protocol used for these cars?
    Planning an ev motor swap and need this information for the swap as the motor being swapped is from an energica motorcycle..
    Rich rebuilds has inspired the swap and you can see his ratrod swap over on his page..
    Any helpful info is much appreciated..

  • @markpacey1544
    @markpacey1544 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn't it same engine as Picanto GT? Needs a better donk to boost power for the size.

    • @30006714
      @30006714 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're exactly right. I work for Kia. Youd be better off getting the picanto as well. With the decrease in weight you can literally throw it around a corner and it just flies

    • @garystinten9339
      @garystinten9339 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@30006714 just a quick question.. planning a ev engine swap from an energica motorcycle.. just needing to know the OBD2 protocol used for the Picanto.. can you help me getting that information please?

    • @30006714
      @30006714 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@garystinten9339 sure thing, I'll speak to the master techs tomorrow and I'll let you know.

  • @lukuscannon9697
    @lukuscannon9697 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's pretty Zippy for a 3 cylinder turbo wonder if it comes in a manual would be more fun

    • @markanthonydalauidao6403
      @markanthonydalauidao6403 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here, wondering if there is a manual version

    • @JohanLofgren-jc4mh
      @JohanLofgren-jc4mh ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have bought a 2020 kia rio gtline recently. Automatic is to prefer, really! 7gears, guided by computer get the best out of the car. You can drive it manuelly too if you like. Just push the stick to the left, voila! Shift gears manuelly by pushing forward or back! An important advice, always fill your lovely kia rio gtline with the best quality petrol/gas. She deserves it and it is worth the extra money, both by the more prestanda and fuel economy! Don't take my word for it! Check it up yourself!

  • @Skylda
    @Skylda 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my old honda sedan has 120hp, so like this kia rio. its 3 times bigger than the kia but doing 8.23sec to 100. why is the kia so slow??

  • @robbo8566
    @robbo8566 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Janome called..they want their sewing machine back.

  • @anthonybelton-ford3124
    @anthonybelton-ford3124 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No sunroof!!!! But they put a sunroof on the picanto...WHY?!?!??!

  • @TheS1PikesPeak
    @TheS1PikesPeak 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Probably the Slowest Double Clutch..

    • @danielwutfisho
      @danielwutfisho 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah i noticed. Arent all dcts fast?

  • @Enkilde
    @Enkilde 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1.0 turbo? 30000 km and new engine?

    • @roemekhoek
      @roemekhoek 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Александр Рязанцев already have Made 100.000 with my Hyundai i20 same engine. ‘Cause Hyundai and Kia share parts. No problem so far

    • @janekuzmanovski5788
      @janekuzmanovski5788 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      ,😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Asmiiirr
      @Asmiiirr 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually Kia gives unlimited 3 year warranty or 7 year / 150.000 km.

    • @Enkilde
      @Enkilde 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Asmiiirr welcome to russia. If engine brocken because the catalyst crumbled. It yours problem

    • @Asmiiirr
      @Asmiiirr 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Enkilde Why would an engine brake because of the catalyst? You don't know much about cars do you?

  • @CanadianMax
    @CanadianMax 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ....has it reached 100 yet?

  • @jna1316
    @jna1316 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    1,0 fiesta ecoboost 9 second to 100 😊

  • @venirafi3056
    @venirafi3056 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    User rio☝

  • @roman_kalandyrets
    @roman_kalandyrets 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0-100 по спидометру 10.5. Но по факту 0-100 это как по спидометру 0-106 - это 11.5 сек

    • @user_GE
      @user_GE 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      как и предыдущая моя 1.4 с механикой

  • @civicsik2038
    @civicsik2038 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you serious? 1.2 cvvt 84hp manual soune better and push like this

  • @madhardcorenick
    @madhardcorenick 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would just buy a cerato instead. Cheaper, faster and bigger.
    If I was looking for a mini type of car like the Rio, I would go for a accent, jazz or mazda 2 instead.

    • @danlugo4365
      @danlugo4365 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      My wife has the new cerato, fantastic car. I have the Picanto GT Line it's very small but an ideal second car

  • @Moonbeeeeam
    @Moonbeeeeam 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    not bad for what it is

  • @motoliberdade5012
    @motoliberdade5012 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Devia ter legendas .

  • @fullhundred8211
    @fullhundred8211 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    car started skidding when braking
    the elantra brakes are better

  • @Ahmed___9
    @Ahmed___9 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not bad 👍

  • @rbaaj7776
    @rbaaj7776 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Next time 2019 Laxus ux

    • @nils7973
      @nils7973 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amanagui halt dein Schnauze lan xD

  • @LEVAZ0ID
    @LEVAZ0ID 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    faster than 320i e90 sedan 2010, fffffffffffffuuucc

  • @lucianomartins5663
    @lucianomartins5663 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please, GT Line asks manual transmission! Passion is to drive, dominate all the curves...

  • @Pedro-te7xr
    @Pedro-te7xr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got this Río, but the Drive version. I dont see the real advantages apart from aesthetics. The one I purchased is 120 HP and 1.0 3 cylinder, the same as this unit.

  • @tristanmarguier3011
    @tristanmarguier3011 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    HP please ? Because KW is useless...

    • @karlomatan2994
      @karlomatan2994 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just multiply it by 1.35 and poof, hp

  • @user-jg6wb8fj2o
    @user-jg6wb8fj2o 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Этот турбо хоть тысяч сто проедет?

    • @viktorpanfilov4531
      @viktorpanfilov4531 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      И 200 и 300 проедет, это же не ваговское турбо

    • @ЭндиДюфрейн-ц8м
      @ЭндиДюфрейн-ц8м 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@viktorpanfilov4531 а разница какая..мне кажется турбо оно везде говно.если нет то почему у вага не получается сделать их надежнее

    • @viktorpanfilov4531
      @viktorpanfilov4531 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ЭндиДюфрейн-ц8м разница большая. Турбо оно ништяк, если делают не уроды. Ваг - там одни сплошные уроды.

  • @CFox.7
    @CFox.7 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great looking car. Audi clone in appearance - now needs Audi performance

    • @supercooled
      @supercooled 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      With Audi pricing as well? Of course not. People always want something for nothing.

    • @CFox.7
      @CFox.7 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@supercooled or they just want value... like the high performance, Audi eating Kia Stinger ..but nice try

    • @supercooled
      @supercooled 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Crazy Fox nice try? Veloster n, i30n all cost way more than their regular version. Not quite Audi pricing but not cheap by any stretch. Go fuck yourself for being confrontational.

    • @supercooled
      @supercooled 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Crazy Fox I also drive a Kia with the turbo engine. It’s quick and yeah good value. Moves 3000lbs quite well. Put that engine in this rio or picsnto and it will feel like a rocket ship.

    • @CFox.7
      @CFox.7 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@supercooled Bro. You said "With Audi pricing as well? Of course not. People always want something for nothing.
      "
      ...meaning what ? Kia cant make performance cheaper than audi ? There performance cars come in way cheaper than similarly specced Audi versions and Audi cant compete with the Kia Stinger for value for money kilowatt !

  • @LEBXLS
    @LEBXLS 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pas de palettes au volant :((((

  • @bassemmahmoudi4855
    @bassemmahmoudi4855 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    1.0?????🥺why ?

    • @fredfinks
      @fredfinks 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because it's for decent value economy. I agree that the car should have more power but thats not it's goal. There ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with mating a small engine to a turbo. In fact its great. Turbo's are a great way to increase performance (VS increasing engine size). Turbo needs to be take away from the high performance cars only mindset. The only thing thats wrong is that it has a 'GT' badge. Its in no way a 'GT' car. Again, a good value, decent performing (not racing) economy car for getting around town and decent on the highway.

  • @antonioalvarez3121
    @antonioalvarez3121 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mucho mejor el Megan Renault, experiencia y evolución RS....

  • @harshalj1916
    @harshalj1916 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rear seat leg room😂😂🙄😲

  • @larsk7708
    @larsk7708 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    VERY SLOW SHIFTING
    :(

  • @florianhenry6698
    @florianhenry6698 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Slow considering power to Weight ratio.. My Grande punto 1.4t 120 PS do this in 8,5. It has 205 000 km..

    • @florianhenry6698
      @florianhenry6698 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Tiger Flyer Channel it break whats?

    • @florianhenry6698
      @florianhenry6698 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Blablabla m'y car is still 205 000 km ans i am full trothle Every day. Ans u know what i had a civic 7 before ans the Fiat i simple more solide. The t jet is far mot robust than you can think so have a good day

    • @florianhenry6698
      @florianhenry6698 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Tiger Flyer Channel OK god you know everything on the earth. Allright sorry god was my bad.

    • @andreadeutsch7611
      @andreadeutsch7611 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hahahaha fiat hahahahahahahhahaha

  • @TheV8Pumpkin
    @TheV8Pumpkin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I could run faster than this

    • @rabidsminions2079
      @rabidsminions2079 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Make a you tube video of you running faster than this car. That I would love to see.

    • @californialove4316
      @californialove4316 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He thinks hes FLASH lol

    • @CrookedNose2131
      @CrookedNose2131 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Congratulations. I bet you feel pleased with yourself.

    • @sugarnads
      @sugarnads 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      So wheres the vid of you running 0-100 in well under 10 secs?
      Come on.
      400m in 17. Lets see it.

  • @Shiva_Racing
    @Shiva_Racing 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What next? Kia 600cc biturbo speedline?))))) How stupid is this..........

  • @ivannevistic1088
    @ivannevistic1088 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another turbocrap hatch

  • @arnbon6241
    @arnbon6241 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My wife's peugeot 108 1.2 vti puretech is much faster than this!

    • @ivannevistic1088
      @ivannevistic1088 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Purecraps are faster to go to repairshops lol

    • @crow66613
      @crow66613 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol a peugeot isn’t faster that anything

    • @arnbon6241
      @arnbon6241 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crow66613 Yes it is, it has 82 bhp on only 865 kg , it has excellent power to weight ratio.

    • @arnbon6241
      @arnbon6241 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ivannevistic1088 No it's not, present Peugeot is not like the past!.

    • @ivannevistic1088
      @ivannevistic1088 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arnbon6241 i was refering to the turbo ones, not the NA units that are way cheaper to maintain and more reliable also!

  • @wisnuanugrah154
    @wisnuanugrah154 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mobil ganteng yang gak laku di Indonesia...

  • @danielesalvigni
    @danielesalvigni 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another DCT....

  • @saud5802
    @saud5802 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    الله يقلع الجبر👎👎

  • @lochlanmcdermott4872
    @lochlanmcdermott4872 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow... that's slow off the line.

  • @dre1276
    @dre1276 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    88kw 🤪🤪🤪🤪

  • @GregTyson
    @GregTyson 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1

  • @troppadisinformazione5746
    @troppadisinformazione5746 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    😂 😂 😂

  • @sbahidh
    @sbahidh 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    4 from 10

  • @christopherdouglas2880
    @christopherdouglas2880 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Slow as fuck

  • @blazizda9264
    @blazizda9264 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    sounds like bmw

    • @Thor86-
      @Thor86- 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Blaž theking I think it sounds better than bmw😃, listen to some bmw models, all sounds like trash 🤦🏻‍♂️😄

  • @RS-nq8xk
    @RS-nq8xk 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    A Japanese K-car's 660cc 3 cylinder sounds better