Magic: The Gathering Pro Rates BROKEN Yu-Gi-Oh! Combos! ft.

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  • @nightwish7074
    @nightwish7074 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +324

    I love that Cimo didn't even show LSV Sangan for the Yatalock but he figured they both needed to be banned regardless

    • @GuyWithBeardButNoMoustache
      @GuyWithBeardButNoMoustache 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      tbh back in the day my father with no game or card theory knowledge took a look at my yatagarasu and exclaimed how such a card is even possible, his knowledge about the game was from watching the anime with me and watching me play.
      he didn't even know you can cheat it, he thought it was a clear infringe on your opponents right to play the game fairly lmao!
      if he only witnessed the current state of the game lol

    • @kevinmorad1277
      @kevinmorad1277 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah Yugioh is confusing at times but a fun game when knowledge is known just slightly too fast in comparison with novel like paragraphs which isn't promising lets say hearthstone not modern but like 2018 hearthstone versus 2018 TCG yugioh was still faster I get employee hardship in each card game 3rd Coffee boss I need to produce more cards! XD

  • @Syrinfox
    @Syrinfox 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +139

    This explains so much. Cimo goes to his locals gets Magical Scientist OTKed and says he loves Yugioh 25 years later Cimo is making a masochist series.

  • @playapiano666
    @playapiano666 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +598

    If LSV isn't shown a Synchro monster by the end of the year I will riot.

    • @matthewpopow6647
      @matthewpopow6647 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      (Shows Nirvana High Paladin)

    • @sendouvincent8232
      @sendouvincent8232 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      Well, one of the oldest combos that can lead into an FTK involves Colossal Fighter so...

    • @noahleach7690
      @noahleach7690 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@matthewpopow6647 21 21

    • @sammydray5919
      @sammydray5919 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      PREACH!!!!!!

    • @Raagentreg
      @Raagentreg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      LSV might not be able to, due to family matters (happy and great ones, don't worry).

  • @HutchTheWolf
    @HutchTheWolf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    57:33 “There is a *way,* then to get Yata-Garasu”
    Sangan/Witch are vital to this combo; it’s no wonder he missed out on guessing the consistency when that context was withheld.

  • @jondo7680
    @jondo7680 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Young Cimo at the locals for the very first time: Wait you can use the effect of the scientist again?
    Antagonist: Does it say you can't?
    Young Cimo: Wait you can activate catapult turtle again?
    Antagonist: Does it say you can't?
    Young Cimo: Wait you can tribute catapult turtle itself?
    Antagonist: Does it say you can't?

  • @Bkindmonk
    @Bkindmonk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +442

    You should take non-yugioh players and do a progression series with them, seeing how players at the time without future sight would build decks

    • @RyanRakowski
      @RyanRakowski 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      How about no.

    • @NovaCorpLive
      @NovaCorpLive 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

      Cimo if you don’t do this million dollar idea I’m gonna be sad. I get scheduling and stuff for that many people for an extended period of time will be hard but if anyone can do it, it’s you .

    • @gliscaradu1424
      @gliscaradu1424 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      doood, that sounds hilarious!

    • @Kuribonker
      @Kuribonker 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      That sounds so awful for the other guy tho, even gage struggle to build deck again cimo

    • @devangoad
      @devangoad 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Id like to see a progression tournament with a good number of people involved

  • @SilverAlex92
    @SilverAlex92 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I love when you bring LSV to the channel. Its amazing to see how he can guess things correctly even without context. Like him calling a ban onm Yata without the knowledge of how to do the lock, just because that textline is so abusable and unfun it just shouldnt exist.

  • @Aaronrules380
    @Aaronrules380 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    I feel like it was worth noting that substitoad came off the banlist at the exact same time ronintoadin was put on, and frankly ronintoadin was probably always the actual problem card because without it there's a pretty hard limit on good things you can do with substitoad because frogs don't really have good graveyard effects

    • @matiaspereyra9392
      @matiaspereyra9392 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      having said that i like ronintoadin more

    • @MegaMetal96
      @MegaMetal96 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@matiaspereyra9392you, uh, didn’t say that tho

  • @DrewIsARealBoy
    @DrewIsARealBoy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    Troop, Dupe, Scoop
    God I needed that hit dopamine for my peak times as an OG Yugioh player that hasn’t played in 15 years

    • @DrewIsARealBoy
      @DrewIsARealBoy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I just got chills. You called it troop, dupe, scoop a few minutes after I posted this original comment

  • @epthopper
    @epthopper 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    1:00:35 LSV perfectly described here why YGO is so difficult for new players - you can’t summarize most modern cards very well.
    Each individual effect of Swap Frog isn’t complicated, but there are so many of them that it’s overwhelming to process. Nearly every modern YGO card is like this.
    Meanwhile, Last Turn has a much more complicated effect but I would argue it’s actually easier for a new player to comprehend - it only does one thing and that thing is easy to explain.
    YGO is hard to learn because you have to keep track of 3 different simple effects on every card in play, which is much harder to process quickly and MUCH harder to remember. Once you know what Last Turn does, you’ll never forget, but remembering exactly how all the effects of Swap Frog work isn’t easy until you’ve played with the card a bunch.
    Obviously there are a million ruling issues with Last Turn specifically, but I just thought this was a good insight. When people say modern YGO is too complicated, they’re not talking about Last Turns, they’re talking about Swap Frogs.

    • @index3876
      @index3876 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I liked what he said, too, about the "story" a card tells. Modern cards just don't tell a cohesive story. They're just assemblages of different effects each with independently good utility from an archetype-synergy perspective, but the effects are often completely disconnected-not only from each other but, just as crucially, from the lore and overall appearance of the card (seriously, how many negates are tacked on to random monsters that visually don't look like they should be able to "negate" anything).

    • @epthopper
      @epthopper 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ⁠@@index3876Yep, that’s another aspect to it. MTG has very distinct flavor for each mechanic. For example, drawing cards = gaining knowledge, whether that’s through divination, studying, a contract with a demon, etc. YGO archetype design nowadays focuses on making a fully cohesive deck with as few cards as possible, which leads to a lot of repetitive and mechanical design. Though they do explore new design space with each new archetype, there’s very rarely any sense to why a card is named the way it is. 90% of the time the monsters are just “[archetype name] [monster’s name]” which doesn’t tell us anything about why Snake-Eye Ash is the one that searches while Oak summons from grave.

    • @Xanderj89
      @Xanderj89 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Calling it ygo makes me think of how bizzare it is to call the graveyard the gy. It being shortened for space on a card doesn’t make it not fucking weird to say in a conversation instead of just saying yugioh

  • @hunos7527
    @hunos7527 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    One of the things not mentioned for the frog ftk was that you didnt need to hard draw mass driver. after going through your deck and getting rid of all the frogs you can put poison draw frogs on the field, use swap frogs to send it to the graveyard from the field to trigger the effect and draw a card(you have to do it this way because poison draw misses timing otherwise). The deck ran enough cantrips that you almost guarantee you draw into a mass driver this way

    • @TheRedGauntlet
      @TheRedGauntlet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Need to show MTG/Hearthstone players the timing rules to make them lose their mind

    • @MansMan42069
      @MansMan42069 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@TheRedGauntlet "What do you MEAN it misses timing???"

    • @laytonjr6601
      @laytonjr6601 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@TheRedGauntletIn MTG when there are multiple effects triggering at the same time, they are all put on the stack the next time a player would receive priority, in APNAP order. If multiples effect are controlled by the same player, they get to choose in which order they are put onto the stack.
      Nothing can miss timing

    • @TheRedGauntlet
      @TheRedGauntlet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@laytonjr6601 Yeah i know. I play MTG. Thats why i wanted CImo to show MTG players the weird timing rules from yugioh

  • @GanguroKonata
    @GanguroKonata 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    47:02 this made me realize how I need you to explain to someone whose never played Yu-Gi-Oh how careful they need to be since if they name a card a bit too close to an archetype then they're in that archetype even if they aren't supposed to be

  • @jaeusa160
    @jaeusa160 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Something ironic about Last Turn from a design perspective is that it came out in the set with Spirits, and the 2 big high end Spirit monsters are the ones fighting it out on the card. But Spirits can't BE Special Summoned.
    Which means the battle in Last Turn's art will never be a way Last Turn is resolved.
    It almost makes one wonder if earlier in the design process for the set, Spirits could be Special Summoned, because their return to hand clause would still be really annoying. But then they saw that special summoning things with some of their on-hit effects (I think Yamata no Orochi's was discarding the opponent's hand) was actually a really big gameplay issue, so they added that text to all the Spirit monsters... but Last Turn's art remained.

    • @TJackson736
      @TJackson736 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      YugiOh need3d hard once per turns far sooner

  • @jacobwilliams8885
    @jacobwilliams8885 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    I think it's time for @LSVargas to take a turn at hosting with Vintage cube staples.

    • @Pistolsatsean
      @Pistolsatsean 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I would love to Cimo reacting to some broken MTG combos

    • @armedjoy3045
      @armedjoy3045 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe I'm biased bc I understand MTG, but it feels easier. If it gives you resources for free it's broken

  • @rexxraul
    @rexxraul 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    As someone who has dipped their toes into both YuGiOh and Magic I think it's funny that both games have FTK as an acronym but it means two different things. OK, well, I'm a Magic boomer so yeah I remember FTK meaning "Flametounge Kavu"

    • @syrelian
      @syrelian 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Oh god Flametongue Kavu, yeah thats a boomer option, deep as hell cut

    • @mrrandomassduck
      @mrrandomassduck 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I too am a mtg boomer. I understand. 😂

    • @sambrown9475
      @sambrown9475 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@mrrandomassduck im 25 and I know of the FTK. I can't believe I've been playing for 11 years 😅

    • @mrrandomassduck
      @mrrandomassduck 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sambrown9475 Well I’m 31 and I can’t believe I’ve been playing for 21 years. 😅 (Okay there are some gaps in there. But I’ve played most of that time. 🤣)

  • @knixps4564
    @knixps4564 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    Out of all of the people you quiz that did not have extensive Yugioh experience, LSV seems to have the best knowledge of card play patterns.
    He is so spot on with things, when he said Ab-zero can use itself to re-summon another Ab-zero I was amazed thinking that he have never played Yugioh on his life and that the fact that; it's not a combo yugioh players thought at the time but a very sensible and potentially strong one but he still pieced it together, just goes to show how he can put two and two just out of card game experience.

    • @hatster401
      @hatster401 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      part of LSV's job at ChannelFireball is to do draft analyses of every card in Magic sets, so he has a lot of card evaluation experience

    • @lostalone9320
      @lostalone9320 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      The reason why LSV is so good at this specific kind of analysis is because he's actually played old, degenerate magic, and has been playing the whole time since then. So he's seen it all, but also played the most busted decks ever in that game. No hate on CGB but he doesn't have that Vintage Doomsday experience.

    • @monopoman
      @monopoman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      LSV for a living does a deep evaluation of every single MTG card released and he typically has a good idea of that stuff before it comes out, that doesn't mean he bats 100%. But he is likely one of the best at evaluating brand new cards before anyone has gotten a chance to play with them, so this type of thing is right in his wheel house.

    • @monopoman
      @monopoman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@soasertsus Barring LSV getting unlucky very few MTG players can really hand him a loss. Rarran is very new to MTG in general, and it's an even more lopsided matchup.

    • @gasasmk
      @gasasmk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LSV is a game designer by trade. His mind is wired differently

  • @ikanami
    @ikanami 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    You should do an episode where you bring on someone and only show them "bad" cards. There have been plenty of "bad" cards that have been banned. I feel like making them try to parse out bad vs bad but with an abusable effect could be fun. Or even cards that were bad but got banned vs good ones that never saw play (and therefore never banned).

  • @olvynchuru1663
    @olvynchuru1663 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Nowadays, in a no-banlist format, Magical Scientist doesn't even need pre-errata Catapult Turtle to FTK; it can FTK by itself. Use it to summon Independent Nightingale, then summon 4 dark pendulum monsters (summon 3 Patissciel Couvertures then summon Sea Monster of Theseus and make Halqifibrax summoning Performapal Odd-Eyes Synchron), then use those to make 2 Supreme King Dragon Starving Venom and burn the opponent for 8500 damage.
    You can also protect this combo by summoning the Azamina omni-negate with Magical Scientist, so that even Nibiru or Ash Blossom won't stop it.

  • @jamesaditya5254
    @jamesaditya5254 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    29:37 I never thought of it that way, but it's definitely on point assessment by LSV that Magical Scientist is just "TCG Red Flags" personified lol

  • @steveshin820
    @steveshin820 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    You missed the witch of the black forest / Sangan for the yata lock.

    • @grmthmpsn
      @grmthmpsn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      This was a huge mistake as well. He was saying he did not see the interaction between the cards because he was not shown the final piece of the combo, unless you can search Yata after clearing the board the combo makes no sense at all.

    • @Twilightblade7
      @Twilightblade7 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah i think he hung LSV out to dry with that. Otherwise this was a fun episode!

  • @selfselected
    @selfselected 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I only have played HS/Runeterra/Snap. I've never played a match of Yu-Gi-Oh in my life, and I've barely played MTG, but for some reason I really love LSV's content and this kind of card game cross analysis.

    • @josiahclarke3535
      @josiahclarke3535 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It comes from him being smart but humble. Plus he seems to be a nice dude.

  • @johannesstorck8601
    @johannesstorck8601 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    catapult tutle was banned twice after it got an erata because u can summon a 16k atk monster on turn one and still ftk

  • @michaelgrey1503
    @michaelgrey1503 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think my favorite thing about the Magical Scientist FTK/OTK is that the original version that had Magical Scientist at 3 wasn't even tje best version of the FTK because later on the deck got Mother Grizzly & Mystic Tomato (for games in which you couldn't win on the first turn but got you to the turtle or the Scientist on turn 3 or 4) and Magical Mallet. As it turns out, two fewer copies of Scientist do not impact the deck's consistency negatively enough to counteract adding three more mulligan cards and six more recruiters.
    So this FTK ruined the game at two different points in Yugioh's history.

  • @fernandobanda5734
    @fernandobanda5734 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    LSV: the Japanese game (OCG) has like a 1% improvement on text readability. Each effect is separated by a number. So even though there's no line break, you can at least know you stop reading and process one thing at a time. Whereas English cards have a huge paragraph and you have to read everything and then mentally separate what you read into different things.

  • @Erictime4fun
    @Erictime4fun 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You showed him exchange of the spirit, swamp, frog, and magical scientist combos that is a sick introduction to what makes yugioh crazy

  • @mmmsheehoo
    @mmmsheehoo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    Where Raigeki + Silver Fang?

    • @pfeilinger4463
      @pfeilinger4463 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      fr fr

    • @monkeylemur
      @monkeylemur 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Unfortunately Silver Fang fell into depression after Giant Soldier of Stone destroyed his moon

    • @jakethereaper2060
      @jakethereaper2060 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      it was too powerful that Cimooo thought they couldnt handle seeing such a powerful combo

    • @peteryanes3413
      @peteryanes3413 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Shut up with the dam joke

  • @jamiecollins7915
    @jamiecollins7915 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    frog otk, ruining kid's dreams at locals on a shoe string budget with how many commons make up the deck

  • @zyvernious
    @zyvernious 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Cimo: "DNA Surgery wasnt that good"
    Buster Blader: "And I took that personally"

    • @caruzo9631
      @caruzo9631 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Chimeratech Fortress Dragon: 😈🤖

    • @josiahclarke3535
      @josiahclarke3535 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah I seem to remember several decks this was used in. It also countered decks like Blackwings by making Icarus attack dead. Or decks that could out it specific card types in play.
      Not saying it was god tier but definitely had some legs.

  • @CaptainB1994
    @CaptainB1994 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure every video game in which the Yata-Lock is possible they are programmed to automatically surrender when the lock is achieved.

  • @freedortch9278
    @freedortch9278 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Probably my favorite instance of the "Get player from TCG X to rate cards from TCG Y" video format.
    Please continue with this as an ongoing series through the different yugioh eras and summoning mechanics.

  • @jhawkkw87
    @jhawkkw87 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The worst part about the Gearfried + Elma combo was just how versatile it was even in classic formats. Magical Marionette with this combo was also an OTK. The combo with Spell Absorption would give you effectively infinite life points so that you're opponent would deck out before they could lower you to zero, or you could add Fire Princess to make it an OTK (but that's a tough 4 card combo to pull off). I'm sure there are others, but the Royal Magical Library gets all the attention because of the FTK potential despite there being other degenerate combos that it enables as well.

  • @MFMegaZeroX7
    @MFMegaZeroX7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Oh man, hearing LSV liking combos and I can imagine him breaking the game in a few years lol

  • @A11sopp
    @A11sopp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1:04:22 It's funny because they fixed this for like one or two sets back in like 2014, then reverted back to making all card text small and never touched it again

  • @abetterfuture4787
    @abetterfuture4787 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I occasionally play YGO Legacy of the Duelist for fun. It lets you put banned cards in your deck.
    I can confirm that Magical Scientist combined with XYZ monsters lets you OTK your opponent. It is still just as broken today.

    • @sammydray5919
      @sammydray5919 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      My favorite nonsense combo to do in that game is abusing level eater with the fusions summoned by scientist for link fodder lol

    • @legeul
      @legeul 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Magical scientist, pay 1000 summon norden, norden efect, summon a lvl 4, overlay both into an Xyz.
      Or just use norden + the monster you summon for a synchro.
      Or use both as link material.
      Yeah scientist is broken, but then again so is norden lol.

    • @LizEllwood
      @LizEllwood 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fun fact: if you could do this in Master Duel with every banned card in the game, Tearlaments Kitkallos is also a valid target to special summon with Scientist :)
      Of course, you could just run 3 instant fusion instead bc she's level 5 for some ungodly reason, but can confirm, Kitkallos is also a broken card

  • @pickerjo2000
    @pickerjo2000 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My favourite part out of all these videos that Cimo has been doing is the "does it say that it cant?" And look into the camera

  • @SeraphBlademaster
    @SeraphBlademaster 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Put a progression series with LSV and CGB!

    • @mrrandomassduck
      @mrrandomassduck 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      LSV will destroy CGB. (And CGB would probably agree with me in that opinion. 😂)
      Now that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t love it. 🤣

    • @pixelbomb97
      @pixelbomb97 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Yeah, LSV is a Protour winner, regular guest at the world championships, and hall of fame level MTG player, where CGB is a funny video creator. I think you might need a little bit more even match-up.

    • @Kaiasky
      @Kaiasky 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think it would be kinda fun to see like. "experienced player vs top player figure out cardgames" like to see does LSV really just run away with it like that

    • @jamesaditya5254
      @jamesaditya5254 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mrrandomassduck CGB would had no chance, but MesaFalconGuy will put up a decent fight

  • @U1TR4F0RCE
    @U1TR4F0RCE 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Technically there’s a cheesey way to use exhange of the spirit still by using mega zaborg or something similar to mill the extra deck. Also some of the unoptimized tear ishizu decks topped with exchange of the spirit .

  • @zanpakutoman4225
    @zanpakutoman4225 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Congrats to LSV on having twins! They can play each other in their TCG of choice, if they decide to play anything. lol

  • @thepureheartofdark
    @thepureheartofdark 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can't wait for the obligatory "Modern Yu-Gi-Ho! 20 minute long first turn setup combo video.".

  • @BilingualRainbow
    @BilingualRainbow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    United we stand with toon black luster soldier was always my favorite combo to use.

  • @GranmargYGO
    @GranmargYGO 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    next time you gotta show him Pole Position, Amplifier and Jinzo

  • @lexnaum
    @lexnaum 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    LSV calling out YGO for its shitty text boxes lol I love it. It is SUPER confusing and hard to parse YGO cards

    • @blaze41
      @blaze41 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The thing is, they already have a working method for parsing text in the OCG, no clue why they don't implement it to the TCG.

    • @jamesaditya5254
      @jamesaditya5254 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@blaze41 honestly just use the formatting for Rush cards and slim down the outer borders

  • @Omio9999
    @Omio9999 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wall can be replaced by enough of the Solemn Brigade to stop a lot of things, and Jowgen can be replaced with a Barrier Statue of choice - usually Wind, but Fire and Water were reasonable too - but Last Turn is what was the centerpiece for the alternate win-con or draw-con.

  • @hatster401
    @hatster401 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    surprised you didnt mention library ftk which was the best thing you could be doing in goat format technically

  • @KrakenWall
    @KrakenWall 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Probably should have showed/reminded lsv about witch or sangan with the chaos data lock combo. Love the vids.

  • @mattevans1643
    @mattevans1643 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Card trooper saying "this card you control, is sent to your graveyard" is not as weird as it sounds. It means that unlike a lot of other destruction effect monsters, card trooper must be on your side of the field to even resolve that effect. Other cards like the attribute floaters, the turtles, sangan, witch of the black forest... all activate regardless of where they came from, as long as they were sent to "your" graveyard via the way their effect states they will activate. Card Trooper's weird text solves that problem.

    • @sporkmclork
      @sporkmclork 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      True. That also would not be immediately apparent to a Magic the Gathering player since in that game, "dies/sent from field to graveyard" effects benefit the CONTROLLER, not the owner (see: Illusions of Grandeur combo)

  • @fumsa6442
    @fumsa6442 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    these videos are such gold. i played both mtg and yugioh as a kid, but ended up going down the mtg path. im having just as much fun as lsv guessing at the strength of these cards and then having cimooo guide me down yugioh's memory lane

  • @chanceneck8072
    @chanceneck8072 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm addicted to this series now! 😅🤭
    And this title promises to be something, I've suggested a couple of times now. I'm extra hyped now.

  • @definitelynotmany4972
    @definitelynotmany4972 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    8:59 They did ban all that glitters in Pauper, though.

  • @Onibushou
    @Onibushou 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Maybe a bit too in the weeds, but potentially worth noting that Jowgen just got the ban hammer in Master Duel for being abused by Sanctifier and (to a lesser extent) stun decks in general.

  • @patrickwienhoft7987
    @patrickwienhoft7987 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I haven't played YGO in years, but you sparked my interest again in these videos. I remember seeing cards like frogs, Elma and Makyura being banned and not understanding why as a kid. It's really fun to look back now with a better understanding of card game design why they deserve(d) their spot on the ban list.
    Opposite to that, my absolute favorite cards back then were Yubel and I'd love to see someone evaluating them!

    • @sammydray5919
      @sammydray5919 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@patrickwienhoft7987 funny you mention Yubel considering the yubel cards recently got modern support and are now a top tier meta deck lol

    • @patrickwienhoft7987
      @patrickwienhoft7987 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sammydray5919 damn I didn't even know. Guess that's my time to get back into the game then!

  • @colorfulmoth
    @colorfulmoth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I love how LSV analyzes cards. You can see how much experience and knowledge he's got on card games.

  • @Robin93k
    @Robin93k 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Probably should have included Sangan in the Yata-Lock Combo.
    As without Sangan/Witch the consistency of this combo becomes non existent.

    • @NovaSaber
      @NovaSaber 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not even a combo at all without one of them. Because if you already had Yata on the field or in your hand, it would go to the GY with everything else.

    • @angelocielo3472
      @angelocielo3472 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@NovaSaber unless you believed in the heart of the cards hard enough that you top deck yata lol.

  • @TheRedGauntlet
    @TheRedGauntlet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Im suprised Library wasn't LSV's favourite card since hes a storm enthusiast

  • @davidmacarthur705
    @davidmacarthur705 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    These videos with LVS have got to be among my favorite Yugioh videos in a long time! Two of my favorite content creators talking about a card game that one knows nothing about but taking their knowledge from another game and applying it in such a smart way has been so much fun!

  • @incorrectdigit
    @incorrectdigit 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always feel like, after the second or so time on the show, like an episode you could do is showing them like a battle between two original like yugi and kaiba starting decks, then show them like a standard competitive match now just to let them see the true context of every time you say “classic yugioh” or “by todays standards”

  • @Jobbaz
    @Jobbaz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    18:04 to be fair both the cards had to pay the price of having unbalanced spells around during Goat Format (2005). For those who dont know, I'm referring to Graceful Charity, Delinquent Duo and of course Pot of Greed.
    There is nothing inherently broken within both Tsukuyomi and MoF.
    Setting a monster and passing, resetting a monster and then having Tsuk back to your hand (basically wasting your normal summon doing so) was kinda slow even by old ygo standards.
    And of course they had to make some flip monster really good (effect wise and/or stat wise) in order to justify the commitment,but thats only fair.
    There are also many counters to this strategy (being monsters or spell cards) thus overall this combo is beloved by most of the player and creates a dynamic which is one of the major selling points of Goat Format.
    Let's be honest: if Konami just banned the Trinity (those 3 broken spells) leaving Tsuk and MoF limited no one would have perceived it as problematic. But in that period they wanted some kind of meta shift so they did slaughter goat format.

  • @leSmokySmoke
    @leSmokySmoke 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    it blows my mind how intelligent and aware LSV is. he has so much knowledge about design and what makes a good game and reading comprehension. its amazing to watch how his brain works.

  • @kalierdarkekd
    @kalierdarkekd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    at my LGS, my friend was the first one to actually bring a Magical Scientist deck to the tournaments. And the two of us were basically the only two people there that realized just how much of a problem the card was until everyone started losing on turn 1-3. Some of the reactions were pretty funny, the deck actually caused one person to throw their cards in the trash and storm out.
    I also ran Last Turn/Jowgen before they erratad it to not prevent the opponent from special summoning. Admittedly the weekend before that I got banned for throwing my deck in a judges face for disqualifying me for "Using an illegal combo" that he and another judge approved at the start of the tournament.

  • @ok-eu5nq
    @ok-eu5nq 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love hearing LSV go through these cards, very insightful

  • @francisdecary1779
    @francisdecary1779 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey! Long-time MTG player here, I started playing Master Duel because of this video series. Absolutely love it, great content!

  • @Shippo89
    @Shippo89 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the DNA Surgery + Insect Barrier combo, not only was this a playground combo, it was published for all kids to see in Beckett magazine. "They wrote an article about it, it must be good."

  • @markbost6915
    @markbost6915 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this series. I can't wait to see LSV get to more of the modern yugioh stuff

  • @toonswap8511
    @toonswap8511 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was fun. Dude is very likeable. Wishing him and his family to be good health and happiness.

  • @BramLastname
    @BramLastname 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how he saw roanin and very carefully asked why it changes its name on the field.

  • @LocrianDorian
    @LocrianDorian 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, really enjoyed it, go LSV, you did great! Card Trooper is one of my favourite cards of all time, glad to see you enjoyed it.

  • @angelocielo3472
    @angelocielo3472 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As soon as I saw Gearfried, I knew it was going to be the Elma dagger - Library, one turn Exodia combo. This was my favorite deck back in highschool lol.

  • @SilverAlex92
    @SilverAlex92 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Last turn is such a COOL card. Old yugioh was broken as fuck, but sometimes they cooked hard on those cards. The art is sometal too.

  • @grantplunkett8410
    @grantplunkett8410 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    LSV’s intuition for analyzing these things is so impressive

  • @avaris1280
    @avaris1280 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was hoping LSV would get a combo video like this didn’t disappoint!

  • @ashsattva
    @ashsattva 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That first combo is from the only time I remember playing yugioh as a kid where my friend did that to me. Maybe it was a good thing because I literally never touched the game again lol.

  • @HakureiIllusion
    @HakureiIllusion 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is why LSV is one of the GOATs, he's so good at picking out interactions and play patterns even with minimal context and experience.
    Next time I want to see him rate the ultimate combo: Raigeki + Silver Fang.

  • @voronovychda
    @voronovychda 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never played Yu-Gi-Oh, I watched every episode with LSV, all of them great! =) Thanks!

  • @59jokes
    @59jokes 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a rabid devourer of card review videos, the love LSV’s quickness, conciseness and accuracy

  • @sallas09
    @sallas09 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What I find really funny about the Last Turn combo is that, if the whole thing were legal today, I don't think the combo would even be functional based on what we know about how effects that want to summon cards mesh with cards that dictate the ability to summon. Since Last Turn is a card that Special Summons a monster, I'm pretty sure that it would not even be legal to activate it while Jowgen the Spiritualist is on the field, since you can't activate effects that Special Summon monsters(like Monster Reborn) while she's in play.
    Also, while Wall of Revealing Light's ability to stop attacks was kind of annoying, it wasn't the reason why it was on the Limited list for so long; it's just as easy to get rid of as it is to get rid of any attack-blocking floodgate. The real reason why it was Limited was because of its power to let you pay arbitrary numbers of Life Points, which they might have seen as a limiter on future design space.

  • @Voidaken
    @Voidaken 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1:05:00 No we don't. I don't see any reason to increase the text size. You still have to read the original text size for cards that use the entire text field. Keep the cards looking uniform.

    • @YukiFubuki.
      @YukiFubuki. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      keeping things uniform is very much a legit reason, if cards just start having different text sizes depending on how much of the space it wills then it will result in something silly and worst is that the same logic can be used in reverse giving konami a reason to make text even smaller then it already is so keeping the text its currently size at least means their is a limit to what they can actually put on a card as it still needs its opt and other addiums

  • @Janders797
    @Janders797 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this series.
    I always liked the „evaluating cards of other games“-videos, but sometimes the way people judged them was too arbitrary (eg. Judging old cards with modern standards).
    Cimo does a very good job of giving enough context that the guests can evaluate them decently.
    And LSV is my favorite guest in this series ever. I feel like listening to him, you can learn a lot about card games and game design in general. I feel like „MTG Professional“ isn’t enough of a title for this man, and not just because the trophies on the wall behind him speak a story themselves.
    I look forward to the next video every time.

  • @joshuahendershot196
    @joshuahendershot196 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love how Gearfreid+RML+ Butterfly Dagger would be even easier to pull off in the modern day as with the introduction of Pendulum Summoning getting two level 4 monsters out on the field is easier than ever before and if something goes wrong and they negate and Banish the dagger during your infinite combo you could always Xyz summon into a rank 4 monster since they're both the same level, or you could link summon, I'm still unsure how that Summoning mechanic works though

  • @AkKuOfHearts
    @AkKuOfHearts 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These videos are so well made!
    Keep it up

  • @orpheos9
    @orpheos9 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The analogy of nadu mirrors with force of wills is hilarious

  • @RoryWilliamson
    @RoryWilliamson 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would love to see junk speeder on an episode, one of the most broken cards that has never been meta

  • @caruzo9631
    @caruzo9631 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I used to play “DNA SURGERY” in my Cyber Dragon Deck, declare Machine and just keep fusing all my enemy’s monsters into “CHIMERATECH FORTRESS DRAGON” 😂 still my alltime favourite troll play haha

    • @Bob12649
      @Bob12649 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Clockwork night

  • @samedens1385
    @samedens1385 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We need a crossover where LSV shows Cimo how to draft vintage cube

  • @randommaster06
    @randommaster06 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    13:50
    I see LSV has caught up with the rest of the Yugioh community in his understanding of Konami's ban philosophy.

  • @bradensmith8682
    @bradensmith8682 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you trigger an infinite loop with Magician of Faith and Cards like Book of Flip? And could these Book of Flip activations place counters on Magical Library?

  • @VCV95
    @VCV95 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My DNA Surgery deck was a gravity bind/kinetic warrior deck. It was hilarious, fairly oppressive with other cards I ran, and around half the deck was either defending the combo or fetching cards lmao. I ran marauding captains and the big bomb was a Guardian Sphinx to reset the opponents field. You would reverse the flipping and summoning to keep it face up with DNA Surgery and marauding captains so the opponent couldn't attack the Sphinx on their turn, and it could still flip itself back down, then back up again, on your turn (at least as far as we understood the rules) as a soft board clear.
    It was not amazing, but could actually beat some good decks, as it packed a ton of answers in general. Oh, I HAD to bling the deck out too, as at that point you could only get Kinetic soldier as the game promo. It sucked tracking down 3 copies, but god damn it was hilarious to surprise someone with.

  • @Crimson_Dragon01
    @Crimson_Dragon01 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would like to see some of these guys actually try playing a few games. It could be a "development series" where they start with a retro starter deck, then use a structure deck, then maybe that Arena draft with Battle Pack, Goat, or Edison. Then maybe they could try some simpler decks from later eras to experience all the summoning mechanics and more modern game. I'm just curious to see what they think of actually playing the game since it's so interesting hearing their evaluations of cards.

  • @Voidaken
    @Voidaken 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:08:55 Doesn't Wall of Revealing Light make is so that you do not need Jowgen anyway and just always cause a draw? It makes it so that your opponent can't attack with anything lower than 7,000. Last Turn says the opponent attacks, not you, but they can't attack.

    • @Leikjón-o2t
      @Leikjón-o2t 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      last turn clears the field, including wall

  • @juliotorres5103
    @juliotorres5103 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @Cimo I think there were few cars which could combo play the Gearfried and Royal Magical Library for the person going second. Normal summon Gearfried Tribute to the doomed, target the opponent's monster discard RML and Monster Reborn the RML then play the quip spell. For turn-1 we would not use Tribute to the doomed instead we would play Cheerful coffin which just says the effect of discarding card(s) is the effect.

  • @-DeScruff
    @-DeScruff 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Elma is one of those cards that you just need to instinctively understand: If something can be infinitely looped during a turn, it will cause problems later on.
    The less cards it would take to cause a loop, and have some kinda benefit come out of that loop the more of a problem it will be. Elma only needs 1 card to loop, and its not too difficult to imagine a card that can cause it's loop would cause some kinda benefit.

  • @yazoink6690
    @yazoink6690 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember magical scientist from my childhood. A friend invited me over to his house and we built decks by picking up random cards from his floor. I drew magical scientist, but we didn't build extra decks, so he was just a level 1 300/300. The only other thing about that game I remember was that he summoned blue eyes and I was mad that I couldn't attack it because it was "home"

  • @shadowsonicsilver6
    @shadowsonicsilver6 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Insect Barrier and DNA Surgery back in the day was pretty good, and I cannot tell you how many times I got my butt handed to me with that combo in Tag Force GX

  • @freddyotonielespinoza9680
    @freddyotonielespinoza9680 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If the reigeki/silver fang combo is not on the video im gonna be very mad

  • @raymondvanderbunt6402
    @raymondvanderbunt6402 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If LSV was shown Recycle, Dupe Frog, Inferno Reckless Summon and Des Frog that were all key cards to the Frog Loop, he would start to understand just how broken this combo was. Then, just for the icing on the cake, Pot of Avarice, Hidden Book of Spell and Royal Magical Library get thrown into a Frog Deck.

  • @TheHeadsHunter
    @TheHeadsHunter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I think it would be cool to make a series where you make two forty-card decks with say three or four FTKs in each of them, and give them to two MtG or Hearthstone players, explain the basic rules of the game to them and let them see if they can figure what their win cons are and the correct way to play them

    • @TheMuhahaa
      @TheMuhahaa 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That sounds hilarious!

  • @Linkingx2
    @Linkingx2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    19:45 "i must apologize i wasn't familiar with your game" xD

  • @pokeyoureyeman2288
    @pokeyoureyeman2288 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm liking this series and I'm interested in the next video. I'm hoping we get into all the summoning types. But Cimo's doing well explaining the combos; And with LSV's understanding of mechanics, it's not necessary to know them to rate how well a combo works. However I like to explain things, so I'll give a rundown on they work. LSV, skip this post if you see this and want to continue evaluating cards completely blind.
    Summoning is placing a monster on the field.
    Normal - you can normal summon once per turn, unless stated otherwise by an effect.
    Tribute - a tribute summon is a normal summon but it requires sacrificing monsters on the field. 1 monster for a level 5-6 monster. 2 monsters for a level 7 or higher.
    Special - you can special summon as many times as you want in a turn. A special summon simply requires a certain condition to be met. Everything that isn't a normal summon is a special summon, except tribute and I believe gemini.
    Fusion - a summon done by combining multiple monsters, usually with a fusion spell. Usually it's done with 2 specific monsters, but some requirements are more generic
    Ritual - a summon that requires a ritual spell and sacrificing enough monsters whose total levels are equal to or greater than the ritual monster's level.
    Gemini - gemini summoning only applies to gemini monsters. They're effect monsters who are normal monsters with no effect until you summon them a second time or have something that immediately gemini summons it
    Synchro - synchro is like ritual except instead of a ritual spell, you need a tuner monster. Also the levels have to be exact and synchro monsters sit in the extra deck. Making them easier to summon.
    Xyz - an xyz monster requires monsters of the same level to be summoned. So a rank 4 might require 2 level 4 monsters to be summoned.
    Pendulum - pendulum monsters have 2 numbers on each side of the card. During the main phase you can set a monster on each side of the scale and you can special summon any number of monsters from your hand, or pendulum monsters from the extra deck, whose levels are between the numbers of the scale; Once per turn.
    Link - link monsters have a link number and simply require tributing enough monsters equal to the link number, and any other specific condition. The link number is also how many monsters a link monster counts as in certain circumstances.

  • @satibel
    @satibel 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm happy that my first reaction to trooper dupe was "trooper limited to 1"

  • @skormfuse
    @skormfuse 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    While the card text size can seem silly especially on cards with little text, but that has kinda acted as a balancing mechanic along with pushing for format improvements and additional keywords, because the text size kinda caps what a card can do.
    now they have played around with text sizes to squeeze in an additional line but even now it still acts as kinda a cap, which for monsters is usually 6 lines of actual effect, and spells and traps at around 8-9 since they don't need to have keywords like a monster type or summoning requirements.

  • @t3cchan
    @t3cchan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite guest by far! Can't wait to see more of Mr LSV