CP4 DELETE!!! HOW TO INSTALL DCR Pump
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- 💪Watch Wade install the NEW S&S Diesel Motorsport DCR Pump for a Ford 6.7L. DELETE that CP4 today!!!! This cutting-edge aftermarket product replaces the problematic CP4 fuel pump with a more dependable DCR pump, solving the widely-known CP4 high-pressure fuel pump problem plaguing Ford Super Duty trucks using the 6.7L Power Stroke diesel engine.
The CP4 has a well-earned reputation for failing without warning, creating sudden power loss, and taking out the expensive high-pressure fuel system in the process. Despite having to deal with being broken down on the side of the road, truck owners will be facing fuel system repairs that can easily exceed $10,000. The unreliable reputation is supported by recalls and lawsuits leveled at various auto manufacturers that use the CP4 in their production vehicles.
The S&S Diesel Motorsport Ford 6.7L CP4 to DCR Pump Conversion can save Ford Super Duty truck owners $10,000 to $15,000 in fuel system repairs and impart peace of mind knowing that their daily workhorse isn't going to let them down. The conversion kit includes everything you need for a direct replacement and easy installation. The S&S-PurePower engineering team currently has DCR Conversions being validated all over North America in all types of conditions and climates, with the goal of bringing a well-refined and proven product to the market.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
00:10 Overview of S&S Diesel DCR pump
03:09 Install begins
03:52 Remove coolant & vacuum lines
05:14 Unbolt transmission & oil gauge dipsticks
06:27 Unhook lift pump supply line
07:15 Remove fuel filter
07:23 Remove hot side intercooler pipe
08:43 Remove cold side intercooler pipe
09:50 Remove upper intake manifold (plenum)
15:47 Remove EGR crossover pipe
18:37 Unhook crankcase filter
19:37 Remove lower intake manifold (plenum)
20:57 Remove oil fill & all service lines to the stock CP4
27:39 Remove clutch fan
31:29 Remove serpentine belt
32:36 Remove fan drive
33:20 Remove vacuum pump
36:11 Remove isolators which hold the high-side pressure fuel delivery lines
38:04 Remove high-side pressure fuel delivery lines
41:27 Loosen all bolts & pump drive nut to the CP4 pump
44:29 Marks lined up correctly on the cam & pump gear!
46:02 Remove CP4 pump
51:00 Mounting plate explained
56:43 Install mounting plate
59:19 Install DCR pump!
1:02:21 Replace front drive gear
1:04:00 Install driver's side high pressure fuel line
1:07:00 Install cross-over high pressure fuel line
1:09:55 Replace vacuum pump
1:11:00 Replace fan belt drive
1:16:08 Low pressure fuel line assembly explained
1:19:26 Low pressure fuel line assembly installed
1:25:04 Replace low intake manifold
1:26:47 Re-connect PCV, electrical connections, vacuum line for wastegate
1:27:44 Re-install oil fill
1:28:19 Replace EGR cross-over
1:29:33 Replace upper intake plenum
1:31:48 Replace hot side intercooler pipe
1:32:33 Replace fuel filter
1:33:21 Replace cold side pipe
1:34:38 Attach all hoses
1:35:12 Start truck and check for leaks
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I just don’t understand why Ford hasn’t recalled this pump and just kept using it knowing full well it was a very expensive failure point?…from what I can tell they’re still using it!
Because they have a contract for xx amount of years with a certain manufacturer that they just have to use. Cannot breach contract. The cp4 has been revised but still the same design and failures. Just lesser the common. They won't redesign an entirely new pump to replace it. All diesels are dealing with the same cp4 junk.
Until ford creates a new engine design it'll still remain the same..
I'm loving the locking extensions for those places where sockets like to fall off or the risk is high. Harbor Freight has them now.
A+ install video! Great job Wade and the team at Thoroughbred 👍 thanks for the install video.
Thanks 👍
Great Video. I bought one here in Florida on thursday and put it in over the weekend. Your Video helped immensely, especially the side bar telling the time for each segment. I did get a couple of codes about communication from the ecm when I first started it up but I cleared them in my ezlynk and so far nothing has came back up. One other thing that might be worth mentioning is both the cam gear and the pump gear had 2 marks on them so make sure you take a picture with your phone before you pull the pump gear off.
This video was very helpful. Watched it a couple times and had no trouble getting my DCR installed. Thanks
Glad it helped!
I've had this video in my watch later list since about the time in came out. I've watched it a couple times, while getting ready to order my pump. This video is how business is earned and the reason I ordered my pump from you; this past Friday. It's a huge amount of work to produce a video like this and in doing so, give guys like me the confidence to do this job myself. I hate bringing my truck to someone else for work. I have an account with you now. The pump won't be my last order!
Thank you for the very nice compliment! Welcome to the family!
@thoroughbreddiesel After many delays for weather, I'm working outside, I finished my pump replacement and started the truck at around 9pm last night. I drove it for a few minutes. No codes, no issues. It cranked a little longer than normal but that's because the high side had to build pressure. Thank again for this video!!!
Thanks Wade and team! Great install video!! Start to finish, excellent. I will be doing the conversion and this video will be the manual. I've taken the components down close to that far (not the fan clutch) to install an EGR cooler replacement and S&S competitors CP4 disaster prevention system,(Mistake) which I did not, due to the FCR hitting the lower intake. Would have had to grind the lower intake for clearance. Not what I wanted or expected to do! Not happy. As I have the Mishimoto CCV kit on my 14, so I couldn't use the S&S DP kit. Thanks again for this video!!!!
Hi! You're welcome and good luck!
I installed my kit this weekend from Thoroughbred Diesel. Good OE-matched lines. I drained the coolant and removed the one line directly in front of the turbo. Made the installation of the DCR easier. Also, this is the time to change out the CCV for all of you guys with earlier trucks. Overall Great Kit and support sold by Thoroughbred Diesel.
Great to hear! Our pleasure!
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Great video, awesome job Wade!
Thanks for watching our feature-length film!!
Great video really appreciate the torque specs just did the conversion to my 16 f250 and everything fell right in perfect. Thank you!
Thanks! You're welcome.
Great video. My DCR will be here on Wednesday. Gonna plan on whole day to get it install.
Awesome! Hope it went well!
Great video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thanks and thank you guys for all your help!
Excellent job explaining every step. Absolutely the best I’ve seen.👍
Thank you!
Ordered! I look for your vids every install! Thanks
Awesome! Thank you!
@thoroughbreddiesel got it installed! Truck seems to like it 👍
Fantastic!
Great video and info. I just finished my DCR install. Thank you for.sharing your skills. Was a big help, I am a visual learner not an instruction reader. Truck fired out on first start and sounded great and drove it a bit to make sure no leaks any where. No leaks. Did take me a little more than I expected mostly.because I cleaned all the items . The upper and lower intake were full of soot. Also added an H&S cool pipe and also found a coolant.leak at the thermostate. Also put a new drive belt since I had it open.
Awesome! You're very welcome.
Hello Thoroughbred team
ARod! Whats good!?
@thoroughbreddiesel WE GOTTA get you on the show. I called a couple of months ago....you ever ger our message
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Plz how long of a installation
@@user-lv3gl5pt9z around 6 hours
My swivel socket did not work for the 15mm bolts behind the pump gear. Luckily I had some crows feet and it worked great. In case anyone is scratching their heads crow foot works great
Just got the call to pick up my DCR CP4 Delete kit and just giddy. Getting it tomorrow morning and shop putting it in on July 5 or 10th. 70K on CP4, sweating bullets. 2016 Lariat. Cannot wait to get this behind me!
Enjoy!
@@thoroughbreddiesel Afterwards the test will be how long will she run with great PM. 250K miles shouldn't be to much to ask
Awesome video! This pump swap definitely tops one of my most challenging DIY swaps of 8 Fuel Injectors on GM's 5.7L late 80's V-8 Tuned Port Injection in their Firebird Trans Am 🙂
Thanks!
Did the full install. Followed every step very carefully. Was super stoked. Followed startup procedure. Crank no start. 😢Super bummed.. *** update. The S&S Tech Guys were helpful and I found that I missed a torque on one of the fittings. Runs great! thanks guys.
Call us 859 737 4966. On a no start after install, we want to look at lift pump pressure to make sure you haven’t had a failure there. What was the original reason you changed the CP4?
@@thoroughbreddiesel thank you. I emailed S&S. Che responded by having me crack the #4 injector line. I had my doubts but cracking that line revealed that I didn't torque the crossover line fitting on the main rail (oddly enough it didn't leak until I cracked the #4 line). Torqued both fittings as needed and she started right up. right after that we did a 2k mile road trip w/trailer and so far everything is great. Thanks to S&S for all the help. I had bought the DCR back in august and just never got around to installing it.
Thanks guys great video
Our pleasure!
Fixed problem with Turbo. The issue was that there was a leak on the output side of the turbo. It sensed the leak and shut itself off. After fixing the leak I had to delete all the codes and it started working again.
Good video. Very informative. Do you have a video showing the 2019 and how to take out the upper and lower intake together?
I think we did that in our install video of the S&S DPK.
Easiest way to remove the upper is to sneak the lower out first. The upper practically falls out when you do it that way.
Great vid will be ordering this system from yall in next few months. Concerning putting it all back together and then testing for leaks, once you get all the lines hooked back up can you just energize the lift pump for low pressure side if there are any leaks at that point you wont have to tear it all back apart. For the high side no other option but to have truck buttoned back up for that pressure test. Just a thought.
Wade does that at the end of the video.
Fantastic video! If going back in with a new cp4,instead of the dcr, is timing the cp4 crucial? 2013 6.7 powerstroke. I know there's some mention of it in the video, but I've read and been told that timing cp4 is necessary as it relates to injector timing.
Thanks! It will already be “timed” as it is a keyed driveshaft. We aren’t finding timing to be as critical on the early trucks, but again with it being keyed, it will be timed anyway.
Great video per usual Wade. Did you keep the DPK in the truck or just didn’t show removing it on the video?
We ran through the DPK filter. The rest of the DPK comes out with the CP4
@@thoroughbreddiesel but why? I understand it’s additional filtration but shouldn’t this pump eliminate the need for it?
@@christiandavis3910 it’s there already and adds extra filtration. It’s not necessary. Just one of those “might as well” since we already paid for it situations.
@@thoroughbreddiesel fair enough, figured it was worth an ask. Thanks Wade and team!
Looks like S&S could save a ton of install effort by giving 3 new studs for mounting the pump, updated with a small hex head and the ability to install them after setting the pump in place. I couldn't tell from the video if they stick out far enough to thread by hand after pump placement with the existing studs.
They do include the new stud but working off the bottom one has you pigeon holed into using the studs. I see your thought, goal of the finished product was to have as much OE here as possible. Install gets difficult there though, you are right. Just take your time.
So my pump gear is 180* out. The single line on the cam gear is where it’s supposed to be, but the 2 lines on the fuel pump gear are at the top. When re-installing do I put it back in this way or correct it? It’s on a 2011 F-250.
My new F250 Platinum should be here in a week or two. This is my first diesel truck and the most expensive vehicle i have ever purchased. I am pretty handy and have rebuilt a few gas engines and built a few hot rods over the yers. I was under the impression that just doing regular fule filter changes would be enough to extend the life the CP4 pump. After watching a few videos on the DCR pump I am not so confident now. Should i just do the DCR upgrade right away? Or at least the disater kit you mentioned? I was going to tint the windows first. LOL. But this seems more important.
Surely it will make it long enough to tint the windows first, you cant be riding around in a coke bottle! Congrats on your new truck. I think it will come into question on the new new trucks out there are you willing to potentially void your warranty with installing a DCR? Although they shouldn’t do it, a dealership could very well black label you for it. While in warranty, keep your fuel filters changed, use good fresh fuel and consider doing the disaster prevention kit.
Use the Motorcraft cetane booster at every fill up. It has a lubricity additive that helps prolong the life of the cp4. I just completed the DCR conversion today and my cp4 lasted 150k miles without failing. I truly believe the cetane booster is the reason it never failed. I plan to continue using it with the DCR. Also, don’t ever “upgrade” the plastic factory fuel filters with steel ones. When water gets in your fuel the steel filters will rust. The plastic factory filters can’t rust!
Excellent vid
Thanks!
If a dealership is going to have to do a full fuel system replacement under warranty, I wonder what the odds are of getting them to install this pump instead of another CP4?
You'll have to ask them.
Good morning, where you have the workshop, to be able to do that work with you or where you can buy all the parts that are needed.
We don't service public vehicles. You can order from our website or call us.
Great video! Once dcr was installed it does seem to have a knock or clicking sound from the pump is that normal?
Ours was pretty quiet. Did you time yours? Curious if that is contributing to the sound.
@@thoroughbreddiesel yeah I did time it mildly confused about what it is a couple thousand miles on it already and still making the sound but everything is working properly might pull out and retime
HELP, I have a deleted 2020 F250 Powerstroke. I installed the DCR fuel pump. Everything back together. Truck starts and runs, but the turbo does not do anything. Turbo boost just sits a zero. Any idea on what I did or did not do???
So did you manually turn the crankshaft till the timing marks were too dead center?
What happens to the disaster prevention line on the metering valve that was on the old cp4 that ties into the fuel filter?
The metering unit line will not be used, but you can retain the return filtration.
only thing that would make me hesitant is who really knows how great the dcr pump is longevity wise vs the cp4
Even though it is not needed could you still run the cp4 disaster prevention kit for S&S Diesel with their DCR pump?
Not the full DPK, just the return filter. It’s not necessary but if you have it you can leave that filter in place and it doesn’t hurt a thing. Only helps.
I have 231,000 miles on my 11, 6.7PS. I just returned to the lower 48 from Tuktoyaktuk, NWT, Canada on the Arctic Ocean via Montana. I live on the Left Coast. I talk to 6.7 owners wherever I go. The Alaska Highway had hundreds, maybe thousands of 6.7s pulling large trailers up and down steep grades to and from Alaska. My 6.7 is stock other than being S&S bypass kit, just in case I’m wrong. I talked to the Ford Diesel Mechanic in Whitehorse, Yukon Territory on the Alaska Highway and asked about the number of CP4 failures he sees. According to him it is an all but non-existent problem and so far I AGREE, as long as the Bosh CP4 pump pumps diesel, NOT DEF, NOT WATER, NOT AIR and NOT GASOLINE it does its job and keeps on keeping on. I have yet to talk to anyone with a CP4 failure. Does anyone know the percentage of CP4 failures vs. the number of pumps in service that have ONLY PUMPED DIESEL FUEL and not otherwise been contaminated? I’ll wager it is a small, almost non-existent percentage.
Yeah. I agree. I threw a disaster prevention kit on mine just for my piece of mind. I use HotShot Diesel Extreme every 6K and HotShot Every Day Diesel at every fill-up. 340K and, knock on wood, no problems yet.
@@tprice3450 … thanks, yea I have been giving mine a shot of Motorcraft Cetane Additive with each fill-up since day one.
@@Doc.Holiday make sure you are adding lubricity as well as a cetane boost.
@@tprice3450 thanks, yes the Motorcraft Cetane Boost does. There is also a cold weather formula I use in higher latitudes. Either or with every single fill-up. Should probably double dose in California?
Does S&S recommend using fuel additives to combat pur low sulphur, low lubricity fuel?
Fuel additive or anything to increase lubricity is suggested.
When installing the new DCR pump, is it necessary to install the disaster prevention kit? or you only have to install the DCR thanks
Only need to install the DCR. The DPK is designed to work with a CP4 truck, it actually has no functionality with the DCR pump.
Did you just turn the pump gear clockwise until those notches aligned perfect at the 6:00/12:00 o'clock mark? What exactly was the process of doung that?
Yes. I turned the motor over and lined up my marks turning the pump over by the nut before I remove the pump nut.
Hey question to you all
What if I have a shavings in the system do I change the injectors and the rails and all the lines all together and if course fuel tank has to be drained and flushed and how about the pump in the tank ?
Yes, yes, yes and yes. The lift pump will need to be replaced too and not enough people consider that in the system.
My cp4 went on me. Heads up for all 6.7 owners, mine was a 2016 well maintained, tuned and deleted for longevity. Absolutely no warning motor just cut off while driving. I ordered this S&S DCR pump. Question is it necessary to change all rails, fuel line or can they just be cleaned?
YES! We cannot stress this enough. If you pull the cp4 FCA out and there is metal there, you need to change all high side components. Injectors, lines, rails, lift pump, and clean the tank.
Great install guys! Idk if I would have put loctite on the vacuum pump bolts because the front cover is aluminum.
I just never trusted loctite for those bolts, because if it breaks off in the front cover it would be a nightmare to drill out.
So, if the alignment hashes are not aligned on the out going CP4 Pump when you take off the vacuum cover. Do you use the CP4 bolt to rotate the engine over until they are aligned?
The vacuum pump is easily turned to get the needed fitment.
@@thoroughbreddiesel Thank You
You're welcome.
Would it be easier to pull the cab wanting to get one for my new high output 23 powerstroke
Other than the one bolt you have leave in the plenum the cab doesn’t really get in the way of this install.
Ive seen a lot of your videos for the 6.7 and all the parts that should be changed and ir upgraded to prevent all these known failures. How can i contact you all to determine prices of install and parts?
We only sell the parts, call us 859-737-4966.
Would it be excessive to replace parts like the vacuum pump or other bits other than the required gaskets while taking it apart to the extent required to replace the pump? Or is that just spending extra money?
Replacing those parts are never a bad idea. Its all according to what you want to do.
I'm gonna put a Mishimoto radiator and intercooler in this spring. That's going to encompass removing a lot of the parts in front of the engine. While in there, I'm going to inspect EVERYTHING I can get my hands on and replace or rebuild anything I deem necessary on a truck with over 350K miles, including belts, belt tensioner, vacuum pump, both water pumps and both alternators. I dont want to tear all that apart more than once if I can help it.
The hose you are speaking of at 18:52 I broke it on mine. I need to buy this hose. Where do I find it? What do I look for?
Give us a call 866-941-9688.
Does keeping the disaster kit provide any benefit after the new pump is installed?
Just more filtration
I'd keep it just extra sleep better medicine
What would a labor charge be on installing one of these?
We're guessing about 6-8 labor hours right now
Was half way through my install today. in the video it said to route the DCR driver side fuel supply line under the turbo coolant line but it seem like it didn’t fit right when I put it under but fit perfectly if it was over the turbo coolant line. Is this okay or do I have to keep it under the turbo coolant line???
Did it work out, I just bought one today going to install tomorrow
If it fits over the line and isn't making contact, that’s the way It should go. I will review that part of the video.
Is there a fuel preassure difference between the cp4 and dcr ?
Both required input pressure and output pressure of the injection pump is the same. Keeping these inputs and outputs the same are the reason this kit is offered with no tuning required.
on your website it says 2011-2019 are the 2020 not available yet?
Soon! Give us a call on an update 866-380-3068.
Crazy that i buy a $90,000 truck and need to mod it to work properly is beyond me...
I installed my DCR pump, but now it cranks with no start. There's diesel in the lines. Not sure what to do next. Any advice?
What is the reason you were installing a DCR? Will the truck make rail pressure? Give us a call and we can help 859-737-4966.
I am F250. almost ever thing is different. I am stuck. can not get the electrical connector off of the fan clutch. I pulled out the white tab, but still will not come off. Is there a 2020+ video?
Not yet.
I bet the vacuum pump bolts were loose lol. Mine were loose causing a huge mess
If they were we caught it on the DPK install
would this be the same for a 2020 6.7??
Yes
That crankcase filter swollen like a pregnant ladies ankles
😂😂😂
Well yours went well, mine not so much.
Sorry to hear that.
Does replacing the cp4 pump void your warranty from ford?
Warranty can be voided by the dealer for any installation of an aftermarket product, however the Magnuson act protects us from vehicle warranty being denied for the installation of a product that cannot be proven to cause the failure.
Do you install this pump for customers?
No longer, sorry.
Will this fit on a 2022?
Not yet, but soon.
how many hours should a shop charge for this?
just finished the video and saw that its 5-6 hours. great video thanks for sharing!
You're welcome!
Can the disaster kit be removed
Yes. You can leave the return filter in play if you choose.
@@thoroughbreddiesel thank you for getting back to me
👍🏻
You just need a 12v Cummins and this will not be an issue.
How much for a2020 ?
Give us a call 859-737-4966.
Why can’t this part be shipped to California?
Emission laws.
I thought it said it was emissions compliant? So if I install this in california it won't pass smog ?
Everybody's gonna sew him. Let him finish sewing them. The lawsuits and process everybody's gonna get paid to have them. Change out their pumps.
how often do the cp4
fail??
Enough to where I’d spend $2000 in preventative vs $10-15k in repairs because of one failing…
Honestly it’s really just a luck of the draw. Just keep in your mind.
Fuel additives with increased lubricant
Good fuel stations (high volume)
Change them fuel filters
You do this and you are good to go. Lots of folks get 200k out of a pump. With that being said though you can get a nasty batch of fuel and it just destroys the pump.
Everything @@ck3561 is 100% spot on with luck of the draw! The problem with this pump is not the failure of the pump. It’s the resulting damage if it does fail.
@@christiandavis3910 and labor?
@@johnfinn2638 $1000-$1200.
That is a 2020 F250
Doom and gloom aside, what is the actual failure rate of the CP4 percentage wise? Does anyone actually know or is everyone on the internet just blindly feeding off the fears of a few actual documented failures?
We don’t get the platform wide failure numbers, however it was great enough for two companies to (Dodge and GM) to stop using CP4’s. They can argue all the “this isn't as bad as it seems” that they want, fact remains, when these pumps do fail, send their failures downstream to the rest of your high side components. Gets expensive.
My cp4 pump just went out and damaged my entire fuel system over the weekend kind of hard to put aside doom and gloom when this happens to you.
Mine as well, I’m looking at close to $9k in parks & for a shop to repair.
I called s&s and they told me u don't have to time the pump
Wade says that in the video
During the DCR validation testing for 2011-2019 model years, S&S did not find a benefit to timing the DCR pump to the engine. However, for 2020+ model years there is a small NVH benefit to timing the pump specifically when the ECM commands a certain rail pressure control mode at light engine load. For this reason and to retain product commonality across the model years, S&S recommends to time the DCR on all model years according to the S&S installation instructions. A future change to the DCR pump in Q4 2023 will add a roll pin to the pump shaft at which point the timing process will match the OEM Ford CP4 timing procedure for all model years.
I just had my DCR put in my 2011 F350 it seems I here a little docking sound 🤷🏼♂️ not sure if that’s normal mechanic trace the sound to the pump
Were you able to get it timed correctly?
@@thoroughbreddiesel truck is going this morning you guys sent a update for the pump a part to put load on the pump not sure 🤔 but will see if it works
It does sound a little different to me lol
This video was very helpful. Watched it a couple times and had no trouble getting my DCR installed. Thanks
Glad it helped!
This video was very helpful. Watched it a couple times and had no trouble getting my DCR installed. Thanks
Glad it helped!