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- How does the S&S Ford 6.7L CP4 to DCR Pump Conversion stack up against the competition in size, efficiency, and output? Rather than cherry-picking a few data points, we mapped hundreds of data points to inform and educate Ford Super Duty truck owners.
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I never understood why a company would try to even make a CP4 more reliable. Its really not possible, I 100% recommend the DCR over anything. Wish more people would understand it and not be so cheap.
Just purchased mine so it’s not everyone that don’t understand.
Be so cheap? The DCR is made in China. Go sit down.
I installed my DCR on my 2013 6.7 last week an I can tell you it took me 7 hours to do. Instructions are fantastic and along with the videos available on line made it like I had done it before. Truck runs great and love the peace of mind it offers. Thank you for a much needed product!!
Same here, I own 2013 long bed, bought new, last week the truck went into surgery. DCR took about 7 hours, I also replaced the turbo with a fleece cheetah, inter cooler and all the piping. Man what a freaking difference, also replace all the steering and track bars with APeX parts. It’s like I have a new 2013 truck back. Good luck to ya.
Hey, thanks for the great info!...ARod from powerstroke tech talk installed my DCR on 7/22/23...the fit & finish is truly fantastic👌😍....the OEM should be jealous!!😉...the peace of mind is priceless!! Thanks🤗👍💪💯
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Can’t wait to have @Powerstroke Tech Talk w/Arod install mine.
I’m an elevator mechanic, not a diesel mechanic. But I installed my DCR about five months ago. It is the best thing I ever did to my truck. I feel so much more confident in taking it on trips now. These pumps come with excellent instructions, and if you are somewhat mechanically inclined, it is the thing to do for your Ford power stroke. Thank you S&S Diesel.
Thank you for choosing S&S!
Thanks for the detailed breakdown! Just got the DCR installed on my 2012 F250, happy to not have to worry about catastrophic CP4 failure any more!
Thank you for choosing S&S. We appreciate your trust.
Install on my 2020 was easy. The drivers side Hp line took about 40 seconds more to maneuver into place due to heat shield as advertised. But no problem at all. Threads started by hand and screwed all the way on by hand. No misaligned threads or risk of cross threading. Would recommend to everyone debating on “holding out” for a 2020+ model. Easy job.
Thanks for sharing that. We've had many reports like yours saying that 2020+ install was not an issue, and that's great to hear. Due to slight variances from truck to truck, we want to wait on our revised high pressure lines before we officially claim 2020-2022 fitment, and possibly 2023 and 2024. We have an HO 2023 in house now for testing. Customers are more than welcome to give it a try and see if it works out as easy as yours. Thank you for your business.
i got mine sitting here 3 weeks ago, I just need to make time to install it on my 19' 6.7
In stall mine and took off on trips pulling my camper, it doing great, I'm 70 install myself, around 9 hrs.
Great video 👍. I installed my DCR kit in my 2018 f350 back on June 30th and all I can say is the quality of the parts and directions are great. Another great product, and a huge game changer for the powerstroke. Truck runs great with no hiccups.
Why is the disaster prevention kit that your company makes not adaptable to the DCR? I understand that the DCR will keep any issue within the pump itself if it were to have a problem. However why not have the extra protection. I have your disaster prevention kit and plan on the DCR purchase as I have grown to trust your product. Just trying to eliminate any possible issue. Just wondering.
@@jhenry6445 Thank you for purchasing a DPK. It never hurts to have extra protection, but our DPK was designed to fit in between a CP4 body and the Bosch FCA/IMV. It will not physically fit in between the DCR body and Stanadyne FCA/IMV.
@@SSfueled Thank you for the answer. Keep up the good work with products to protect these engines.
Can’t wait to have @Powerstroke Tech Talk w/Arod install mine.. Great video!.
Glad to see this information explained!
I have one in my 20 f250. It’s been in for about 1k miles and so far great. It started first try after changing and no lights. Old Bessy is got a few adjustments and so far 2-5 has been great. Works as advertised 🎉
Great video!
Awesome video!
After watching this I will be reaching out to become a dealer for the shop! Great video. I know there was one guy who said “he was doing testing” on y’all’s kit and said it can’t flow at high rpm which is completely wrong.
That's great news. We are always looking for good partners to join our dealer network. In order to protect the business of our current dealers and the brand, we do have a screening process. Please fill out our inline application here: ssdiesel.com/dealer-application/ Thank you!
Shameful to spend 80 - 90+ thousand dollars on a new truck only to spend another 2 - 3 thousand to avoid spending 12 - 14 thousand on a catastrophic failure!
One of several reasons I went a different route for my new truck.
Couldn’t agree more. 100%
What did you get?
@@LEKS66527.3 Godzilla
love to see these to replace the CP4 in the TDI as well.
If your monitor injection pressures A & D on something like an EZ Link tuner, This pump gives erratic Injection pressure readings on the "actual" vs desired. It's not much difference but the stock CP4 seemed to have smoother readings.
😊Thanks for the great education about the pumps. Like others I'm hopeful your development attentions are looking at the 2023 and up 6.7s. I suppose I'll "make due" with a Disaster Prevention Kit until a DCR is available for the 2023 6.7s. A question though ... is the R113 CP4 on all 2023 6.7s or just on the HO 6.7 engine? Thanks again!
We assume that the R113 is for both models, but we cannot confirm just yet. The 2023 we inspected was a standard output. It would make sense for Ford to use the same pump on both models. We'll be sure to let the market know if/when the DCR is compatible with 2023 model years.
How ya doing with that CA CARB EO? DCR in my 2016 F250 still flawless. Peace of mind is 💯 worth it.
I put one 1 when they came out so far its working fine. 2012 200k f450 no codes or problems.
Thank you for choosing S&S. We appreciate your feedback.
I am getting my disaster kit installed this week , when my CP4 goes I’ll probably get this pump installed
You don’t want the factory cp-4 to fail
Best replace it before it fails and takes out injectors and floods the return fuel system with metal shavings!
@@user-rq2yk3rr6v that’s the point of the S&S DPK it doesn’t let the metal bits go to your fuel system
The dcr conversion is cheaper than a disaster kit. If you think about it like this...
The disaster kit it's only to mitigate damage, you will still have to replace the pump, and if you go dcr, disaster kit isn't needed.
Skip the disaster kit and just replace the pump, bc when you go dcr you get rid of the need for the disaster kit.
@@chrismannifield3222 $400 is more expensive than $4200?
@DiscordCriminal 2k will fix it for good.
Or spend 700 and still lose the cp4 and lose money on the trucks down time.
Lose money on a disaster kit that's not needed when you go DCR
Higher initial cost, but longer life.
The disaster kit was just a way to buy time and raise money for S&S to develop a final solution.
Why go half way?
This is great info. For the 2020+ guys doesn't that cp4 pump run closer to 2700 bar vs 2000? Maybe at that volume the cp4 pressure on a 20+ isn't necessary just curious.
I know it is pretty early, but are you planning on introducing a DCR for the 2023+ Powerstrokes? Same old CP4 on those too unfortunately...
Yes. We need a little time to test and make sure the output will be enough for the HO models.
Very interesting video, I am certainly interested in getting the DCR for my truck. Just have wait for the issues with the 20+ trucks to be resolved. Till then I will keep using additives and cross my fingers.
@Goober-cx2bk Hey, if I'm not mistaken S&S released the new DCR for all 6.7 powerstroke thru the year '22...just the '23 truck has not been released yet...now remember you have the DPK option for protection until you pull the trigger on the DCR....have a great day👍💪💯
@@zekester1 Thank you, but talking to S&S they have found some issues with the tubing fit on some 20+ trucks and are
working on that issue before they list 20-22. This was the reply "On our testing trucks, we had no issues with line fitment. We have had a couple issues with some 2020+ trucks since the release which is why we are advising not to install to avoid potential issues. We have had some customers tweak the line on their kit in order to make it fit and that has worked just fine; it just may be difficult to bend the line properly". Dont know which line needs adjusting.
@@Goober-cx2bk Hey, thanks for the update!😉..will pass that info on!👍
@@Goober-cx2bk Thanks for helping to explain. We made a slight change in one of the production high-pressure lines to better-clear the heat shield on early model trucks, and created a slight interference in the 2020+ trucks in the process. Many customers have been able to tweak the line, but we would rather stop sale until it's a perfect fit. Unfortunately, it can take a few months to have OE grade high-pressure lines made. We'll be sure to make an announcement when we have revised lines. Thank you for your patience.
This is what reputable high quality companies do when rolling out cutting edge new products. My question is does the dcr pump have a different sound at idle compared to the stock cp4?
I love the back to basics to explain to all the arm chain experts how mechanics work, lol.
I’ve got a 2024 F550 Powerstroke coming. Can we swap out its CP4 for a DCR later this year? Just got vin number from Ford yesterday.
How do I find a dealer to do the installation from the CP4 to the DCR on my 2017 Ford F350 ? Thanks for your help .
Here's a link to our dealer map, many of which are installers too. ssdiesel.com/dealers/
Powerful DCR pump 💪 Well suitable for 4-cylinder engines (full timing with stock gears)
Problem with most HP pump is placement of factory design on top of engine. HP pump should have been designed low on engine it doesn't have to work as hard cooler less resistance on discharge side.
So many dealers list this pump as only compatible with 2011-2019. I thought this was now verified for all 6.7s, 2011-2023. Why do so many of your dealers not know the updated capability? Do they not fully understand what they are selling? Nervous to drop $2k with a dealer that isn't fully informed. Any suggested shops that actually understand S&S products?
The dealers are correct and we apologize for the confusion. The initial release was for 11-22 trucks and then we discovered that one of the high-pressure lines made contact with the turbo coolant line on the 20-22 trucks. We made a change in the final production line to better-clear the heat shield on the earlier models, and went a little too far. We have had many reports from dealers that it will fit with a small line tweak, but that's not what we want in a final product. We decided to stop sale on 20-22 trucks until a revised line is made. We are hoping to have that line ready in roughly 3 months. 2023 model year is a different story since it has a completely different/larger CP4 (R113) and we need to do more testing. Thank you for your patience.
I have a 2012 F250 6.7. I already have the FASS system. I would like to have this mod for my truck. What other mods would you recommend? I use the truck to pull my small 5k lb camper. I use Achoil additives
If you're looking for durability a DCR pump conversion is the only fuel system modification you need. The 6.7 is a great engine that tows well right off the lot. We specialize in the fuel system, not the entire engine. There could be other beneficial engine modifications that we're not aware of.
Im totally new to this company and product. Are people putting this DCR on basic LB7 duramax stuff?
This particular DCR conversion is designed for the 6.7 Power Stroke. The LB7 Duramax came stock with a CP3, which is a very reliable high-pressure fuel pump. Since the LB7 uses an earlier version of the CP3, many people will upgrade to our SuperSport CP3 that is a high-speed variant of the CP3NH that is used in the LBZ/LMM Duramax.
Will i have issues with California SMOG?
You should not have issues since it is SEMA Certified Emissions Compliant (SC-SDM01-0020) and does not require tuning, but it is not yet CARB Compliant. We have a CARB EO number in the works.
why are so many people getting a rattle at idle after conversion. what is the noise?
Out of the thousands of DCRs in service, we’ve had a small amount of reports of a ticking noise. We’ll work on a proper video explanation, but here’s the just of it in the meantime. With the DCR having less parasitic loss and less load on the gears than a CP4, excessive gear chatter can happen. It doesn’t come from the pump itself, but rather the pump gear and cam gear not having as much load at idle and during deceleration when compared to a CP4. We have not seen many "ticking" pumps, when compared to amount that are in use, but we do our best to determine a cause so that we can ensure all of our products are operating properly. From what we have found, so far, the noises that are present do not affect reliability or longevity. We are looking to see if there is a way to mitigate and/or eliminate this completely.
Has ford motor company reached out to you yet to buy your technology? Very happy with the dcr so far by the way.
Not yet... but we're game for that. Thank you for choosing S&S!
Any hp gains? Is the dcr 12% over the stock cp4 ?
With the DCR being designed to be a factory replacement it follows the factory fuel curve. However it does have 25% more displacement over the factory cp4. The flow chart in the video breaks it down pretty well showing how the DCR compares to the CP4
Dumb question, why is the new pump called a DCR? What does that mean or stand for?
Not a dumb question at all. The official Stanadyne name for the base architecture is 2PDCR (2 Piston Diesel Common Rail) and we shortened it up to DCR (Diesel Common Rail). The variant used for the 6.7 Power Stroke is specific to that application and is called a 6.7F-DCR.
Doesn’t matter if your trucks deleted, I could still install,2015 6.7
Very cool but I'm curious as to why he has a bosch logo on his shirt when the CP4 is made by bosch? Did bosch help desgin this too?
Good eye. Our shirts have Bosch Motorsport on one sleeve and MoTeC on the other. On top of our own products, we offer electronic control packages using hardware from both companies. In fact, Bosch is key partner of ours and we use many of their CP3s and injectors as base components for our products. We've had great luck with using Bosch CP3s for our LML Duramax and 19-20 RAM Conversion Kits, but the CP3 will not fit in the Ford 6.7 valley. Thankfully, Stanadyne stepped up with the DCR which fits and is a very robust design, like the CP3. We teamed up with Stanadyne/PurePower to design a version of the DCR that is specific to the Ford 6.7.
@@SSfueled that’s probably one of the best replies I’ve ever seen from a company on social media. Very good explanation!
I was very impressed, but then cringed when I saw a 2 year warranty... Really? Your pump is so good, that you predict after 2 years and you will not stand behind your product? Time to pump-the-brakes and reconsider.
All of our products have a 2-year/unlimited-mile warranty, the same as Motorcraft. In all honesty, we do not expect many warranty claims. We would not put our reputation at risk by selling a product that needs an extended warranty. With that being said, nothing is perfect and there are bound to be a few issues, which is why we have a warranty. Thanks for the honest feedback, we're always open to suggestions and striving to improve.
Thank you for the reply and "unlimited mile" is definitely solid! I was considering the point of the truck being new and it comes with a 5 year warranty. Perhaps something you will consider matching?